Roy’s Worst Tackle, Saipan Revisited & More Trent Boos! | Stick to Football EP 101

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0:33Wack them up there Spot on There we go There you go Getting you a pair of trainers every week How good's that? Make sure they're always in nine Kieran I'll do my best That's that And then behind you obviously What's behind me? Oh the million pounds yeah Someone from Super Sixers won it Martin Doherty Do you know it's a 93rd minute Bruno goal But decided it for them Gary that's Bruno Bruno. Gamares for Newcastle scored in the 93rd minute. If he doesn't, he wins nothing. It's unbelievable, isn't it? Madness. I'd feel sick if I was looking at the scores in the end of a chance. Imagine his celebration when that goal goes in.

1:18But then how ill you feel afterwards waiting for the other results to end. Oh, yeah, see whether other people will. Oh, that'd be horrible. I almost wouldn't want to know. Just want the phone call afterwards. What's this round for the guy who won the million quid? What's he done? So he's won the league. Yeah, but what's that round one? These are like, I think they're like last minute results. Oh, he's had last minute goals that basically haven't come well for him. Yeah. Oh, wow. It's unbelievable. Jeez. So he's had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine last minute. Yeah. 90 plus, no, one's 89.

1:55Eight 90 plus minutes goals that have won him a million quid. And they're unbelievable, by the way. he's had four 90 plus 7 minutes Mateta Estevão Fernandes who did Bruno score against 90 plus 7 was it round 3 Fulham and then we played Fulham second game we played Arsenal first game who were with third game erm oh Burnley at home yeah I was at the game yeah yeah wow who was the guy that was leading the last time that got kicked off the top what was his name he was sick I can't remember imagine him in Rome I imagine. The Hall of Fame awards here, because I was told to bring it. Hello, everybody.

2:37Roy, I was told to bring it before you... Hey, man, don't say that. Hey, well done. Look at my guy. Well, you should be tanking us, because you know we've got... Gary, Gary, Gary, come. Welcome. Can you vote for me? Have a guess, Gary. Have a guess, Gary. How long do you know me? You're asking me that question. Well deserved. You deserved that, Gary. Thank you, Ian. Thank you. There's not many defenders in it. There's not many defenders in it. I know, girl. There's only two full-backs, Ashley Cole and then now me John Terry John Terry's in it I think Tony Adams I feel like I'll name someone who has it someone else though I think oh well done well that's what I'm name yeah a minute left yet do you have to go to the do the gig it was last night I just I did a link alright are these what was this for erm the Hall of Fame oh that was so good well done stop stop stop saying you're told to bring it in I was told to bring it in jeez man relax let's have a look with your award That is so cool.

3:30Do you know what, I am going to bring in in a few weeks. So I went to my mum's last week and she's got the old box files. She's got all my contracts, my Deodora contracts. The Deodora ones would be good. I'll be asking more to me a Deodora. Oh, you should have brought them in. Phil's contracts. No, I'm going to bring them in in a couple of days. What, did you do Phil's contracts? They've won the game for, didn't they? They qualify for that. No, they're in the... Playoffs. It's weird, right? So they qualify for the playoffs? For the playoff. I thought they'd knock goals No So they lost the first game In San Diego It's the three game round Alright How many games left?

4:06They lost some two One game left In San Diego And it's on 28 cup lines Saturday night No that is a proper cup line So sorry So he's still in it So do you know Do you know what happens You play a first game They lose 2-1 So that's That's not like That score doesn't carry over To the second game It's just that game It's like a series So that's one nil up Okay They are And then Phil they scored in the 90-odd 90-odd and then they had the penalties so then basically they go 1-1 and it's now like it's the game in San Diego so if he wins he goes through but they're obviously favourites because they've finished and they're home they're away at San Diego yeah they're from San Diego but what does he go through to?

4:43the next round of playoffs there's so many playoffs and then he's got another three games but it's a bit a bit long-winded but at least he's yeah it was a good one that Your Honourable the Deodora I told you remember I told you that story about the boot contract remember the lads used to do the Deodora with us best one ever better experience I had with my Andy Ronny was it John Usher John Usher so one night we were after a game United game we were back in the Ambrose in sale having a few drinks but Michael was with me I was driving and we had some Deodora and my contract was up I think you know about negotiating and they said oh Roy's contract is up in a few months no I never got involved in negotiating but Michael was sitting there and he said, lads, just make us an offer now.

5:29And they were like, what now? And they were like, yeah, yeah. So the two lads, so I literally gave him like, I wouldn't say a bare mat, but a little bit of piece of paper. Lads, just make us an offer now. So he hands it over. So I'm sitting there with Michael. So next the lads are like, yeah, we'll do it again. So I'm sitting there. So next they went, yeah. And they give back the offer to me and Michael. So Michael's like this, shows it to me, and I'm looking going, so Michael went, lads yeah oh Michael have we upset you no no lads let's just leave it and we're off anyway so me and Michael and the lads are oh we didn't mean to offend you I'm like no no hey lads just leave we'll be in touch the next few weeks so I get in the car with Michael and Michael what do you think of that offer from and I went I thought it was really good he went it was brilliant but don't let them two they came back the next few days obviously with a better offer How much was it, Roy?

6:24I can't remember what it was. I can't remember the figures, but I remember going to Stamper. But he was gone. Back in the day, they offered me and Phil a three-year deal. When we were full-back, like 20 years of age, in 1994, we were getting 70 grand a year. Wow, that's good. Yeah, I couldn't have. That is good. But you're obviously getting more, I don't know. Why do you think? When he said that, I was thinking about 140. He was getting it a week. Yeah, at that time. When everyone else is on fire. Yes. He won it. Martin. Is he here? Martin, so he was on the top of the league when it... Yeah. Oh, he was on the ball along.

7:00Yeah. Oh, brilliant. He must have had a terrible last day. No, he got overtake. He overtook the other guy that was the top. What? Oh, my God. Jeez. Is Martin here? Did he aguero him? Oh. Yeah. Well done, Martin. No, he literally agueroed him. Are they here? His winning goal... No, he's not here. I'm just going to take this off section. Wow. Oh, right. Right, his winning goal was... It's not a real check, anyway. A Gimuray's goal in the 90th minute. Wow. Yeah. A million pounds. Wow, that must have been amazing. That is amazing. Well done. Fulham. Fulham will get it. Righty, how was your birthday?

7:30Yeah. What did you do? I just saw a lot of family just chilled. Had a couple of Guinnesses. When was it your birthday? The third, a couple of days ago. I think you're 62. That's unbelievable, that. You look so good. You can't wear a beret at 62, can you? I'm not wearing a beret. I'm wearing a cat, bro. It's a beret. You can, Gary. I've just got I've got What's that band What's that guy used to wear that hat Exactly Oh what's that band Where the guy used to wear that hat Pet Shop Boys No What'd you say No Pet Shop Boys He used to wear Chris Lowell He used to wear big hats Oh no what's that Pet Shop Boys used to wear hats Didn't he Samuel L.A.

8:07Yes brilliant Good show Nice one Who was it He's already asked you to kill the cats Do you remember them He wasn't the one who sang that I heard that the other day I was flicking through What Won't you come home Home I'm talking No Oh, that's fine young animals, isn't it? That's the one I like. I've always... Oh, yeah, you're right, right. It's not quite... Why do you have to go into everything? Can you bring one... Yeah, that is definitely not the same. I like fine young animals. I like them. Yeah. We had a conversation because Gary walked in in a full tracksuit. What age do you stop wearing a full tracksuit?

8:43Not that age. To be honest, it's all about... Younger than that age. I hope you're all right, guys. Nobody had the top one zipped up. I think 50's all right, isn't it, for a track? To me, Cara says that about hoodies. You can't wear a hoodie when you're 50. Yes, you can. That's what I said. I always wear a hoodie. Do you? Yeah, I've kind of stopped wearing hoodies, but I wouldn't be... It depends on the hoodie. Yeah. They're casual if you're travelling, isn't it? Why don't you wear the hoodie for the football matches when you can... Yeah, exactly. Definitely for the football matches. There you go, that's a good shout.

9:11What about what you're wearing? Tell us a story. Yeah, a player I met two years ago, Nick Mangold, played for the Jets. it would have been two years ago I think it was Rogers his first game for the Jets I met him before the game gave me like a presentation a bit of PR he signed it on the back top player and passed away last week 41 years of age so yeah fucking hell just the respect a shout out to him yeah nice so he gave you that shirt yeah and I swapped over I gave him like a bit of something PR before the game I gave him a United jersey and yeah did you get to speak to him everything yeah I had a chat with him before the game he was really a cool guy that's so sad really top man yeah and so pay a little bit of respects to the man that's no good no good that is so sad I'm pretty sad Scholes you don't want to go into it again but it was a lot of feedback from your last thing wasn't there yeah it was a good feedback yeah it was good yeah it was all very good I was surprised by it all really you shouldn't be surprised I wasn't it was unbelievable yeah just so many nice messages still coming messages from everyone erm I just never realised how many people were affected by it.

10:19Honestly, yes. It was just the biggest surprise. These families are just dads sending messages. Imagine what the dads feel like seeing Paul's stories go through and then they can actually someone else. Nice to give a shout out to the dads, innit? I know women and mothers do an amazing job. They're pretty fantastic, of course. But, you know, the dads out there. Yeah, there's a lot of dads out there battling the house. You spoke so well, though. You did speak so well. It was beautiful. Lovely. Lovely. It was lovely. It was fantastic. Thank you.

10:54Why have you been like that? No, because you've been up... You're in one of those moves. No, I'm not in one of those moves. You always say that. If you travel up the night before, you get a good night's sleep. Oh, man. Can you believe this, brother? Because I didn't come and see him. He's vexed. It's just the way it's all going. It just kind of blew up, hasn't it, really? The pylon that comes for these two ladies who are not used to the kind of attention they're going to get is a worry. Ash, Frank and Stevie all released their books thinking it was going to be off the back of a successful tournament It went down like a lead balloon if you remember Just like you can have your opinion to say, he's got his every right to answer He's got to be able to tech it a little bit Yeah, he hasn't played well Forksy called that meeting and Mick McCarthy called the meeting in front of players and pulled me up They're going, oh no, no problem, you want to call the meeting up?

11:34Guess what, there's going to be fireworks and I'm not a big lover of fireworks as you know She said basically that that bubble of our training room was sacrosanct We were a winning team together. We won the Euro. It looks like David Brady's. Not to get out of here. Where are you going? No, we're not going to talk about it. What? You know what, Gary? Have you seen it? Even when you got that, Brian Robson gave you it, didn't he? He did. Let's put it this way. It should be you. And I was like, just take him home. Do you know something? I think the worst thing, Jill, was that Brian... I put this next to it, girl, so you're happy.

12:14The two most important things in his life. No, but do you know something? He walks literally in a minute after Brian presents him the trophy was Dennis Irwin. Right. Now, Dennis is, like, the best full-back I've ever seen by him. I think he's the best full-back in Premier League history. And I said, Dennis, I'm... Actually, I said, I'm really sorry. No, because I just think Dennis, for me, is definitely... I can't think of a better full-back in terms of someone who could... Right-footed, left-footed. could cross, could take free kicks, could take penalties, could defend. Dennis is Stuart Pearce.

12:43Well, look, Stuart Pearce, you're right. Yeah, yeah. Can we put Ashley Cole in there, then? You can put Ashley Cole in there, yeah. No, but I'm just saying, if you're flying names... I still think he's behind him. I really do. That's fine, of course. He's got to get mentioned. That's all I'm saying. That's all I want. I played with both of those, actually, Stuart and Asher. And to be fair, both different. Maybe because of Stuart Pearce's character and his force and his captaincy sort of style. His goals. I think he's pulled back and gets goals. Ash as a defender was unbeatable Ash was incredible for about 5, 6, 7 years just unbeatable Piersy went through a period where he was like he was like a forward yeah he was I remember when playing against Palace Steve Coppola we'd had plans to try and stop him when he picked the ball up on the left because he'd just knock it just keep 1-2 all the way up and then he doesn't even need to get close he'd shoot from 30 yards he'd 1-2 all the way up the left side the year after the World Cup he missed the penalty that was 1990 wasn't it yeah I think that might have been my first year of Fars he came I think he got 17 or 18 goals last season.

13:37Obviously, I know three kicks and penalties, but you have to score them. Does this affect it? But it's Premier League, isn't it? That's why I'm asking. But Denny's played a lot in the Premier League. Oh, no, he did, yeah. But how many games have you played compared to you? Like a P. Yeah, he won't have played as many as me in the Premier League. You're right. He played probably a couple of hundred. Look how I'm guessing. Stuart Pearce would be the same, wouldn't he? That's what I'm saying. Are they Colton? Obviously, yeah, Colton. Denny's played a lot of games. Pearce would have played a few games in the Premier League, surely.

14:06Denis played until definitely 2000, 2001, 2002 because he was playing at Wolves after United. So I think... Are they in the Hall of Fame? No, Denis is not. I'm saying because of the Premier League and the way it started, there's so many people. It feels unfair. It feels unfair because even Rushy, Lineker... Yeah, but that's not the player's fault. That's not Neb's fault. I'm just saying it just feels like, OK, all of a sudden, because they're born at a certain time, then this starts and this is where it all starts. You feel like, not even mentioning Linnec or Rush, but even someone like Clive Allen was one of the greatest finishers.

14:43Brilliant. I used to watch Clive Allen religiously. But you're going back to Kenneth Algleish and Brian Robson and all these players. It feels unfair. It should have been a top league, shouldn't it? That should be. Did Clive get one? He didn't get 49. He scored the 50th. I think it was 49 or 50th in the cup final against Coventry. Really? Brilliant player. One of the cleanest strikers. I saw him score a goal at all. Holden Honestly On the AstroTurf Did he play when Spurs That was Ozzy Adidas When they were just All attacking When they were all attacking That's the season Was that like a Christmas tree They played or something I remember it was a bit mad I remember we used to talk about Five defend Five go forward Honestly it was like Clive Allen He finished He's the most clinical finish I love Clive yeah But Gary it's okay To take your moment I think you're like I'm sorry I'm sorry Take your moment You earn it That's good To be fair it's nice it's been voted for by the other 24 players I used to think the PFA team of the year did count for quite a bit because I think it was voted for by players outside of your dressing room but also in the league you played against I used to think that did count for quite a bit Who votes for it?

15:49Well you should vote You did Did you vote? Did you vote for coming? You have to vote I don't know I guess Yeah Yeah but I try and do it properly it's not we wouldn't try just because you might have played with somebody you're trying to be fair with people obviously and he deserves it. No, I think you'd have voted, Gary. And I think I said David Silva, but was it Hazard that got the other one? Hazard, yeah. Because we had a pick two, didn't we? When you start going into those, Hazard, they had a period in the Premier League where, of course, Hazard's got to be in there. He was unreal, yeah. Yeah, it was fantastic.

16:21Oh, thank you. How long a period was he brilliant, though? Yeah, no, yeah, no. It's the same you could say. No, it is. Was it two or three years or was it less than that? Was it longer than that? I think he's probably four or five years, maybe. Do you reckon he was brilliant for four or five years? Maybe. I don't know where you've done well deflecting from yourself here. I know, I know. Take the accolade. No, no, no. I think it has a full-back. You talk about it now, though, honestly. Attacking full-backs. Yeah, he was probably... You think I've got the throw-in? The whoosh. That was so funny.

16:51This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Where's Jamie, by the way? I feel like we haven't seen him. You know what? I've got a thingy. I know, but could he not turn up and still get to the games? I've got a theory that they're recruiting for the jungle, so I think he's gone in the jungle. It's just coincided nicely with Liverpool's dip, hasn't it? It's timing. He's not fighting to get back here, is he? You know what I mean? You know, he's a good win last night from. Yeah, it was good. I thought they played well, did you? Not bad. I was with Florian Verts. I was speaking to Kieran before you came in and said, do you get the feeling when you're watching Real Madrid that they don't like each other a little bit, some of the players up front?

17:30They'd have irritated me last night. A bit of that, I'm just thinking, that's not right, that. Mbappe, Vinicius, Jude, I'm thinking, do you like each of you three, or is it a get-out? And how many times are players rolling around? Oh, that little touch on the face, I know. Vinicius, when he got... He didn't want to do the Liverpool players. Did that, then he dived. How can you roll around for him? Get in the face. I'm including Liverpool, roll around for five minutes and then get up. Yeah. Conor Bradley. Oh, wow, he was brilliant. That's what you want. You want to see him up against a striker, like a winger like that.

18:03Because then that takes him to another place in respect of his confidence. Because he'd done everything last night. It was brilliant to watch. Fantastic to watch against one of the best wingers. Yeah, defensively. Yeah, but he still relaxed that, picking out that final pass. He got into good positions last night. He's still looking for that. He'd done the main job, what he needed to do last night. All righty. To stop him. You know what I mean? We sit there every week, we talk about the modern fullback. It's not just about defending. You sit there every week and say, Trent's amazing. He was, yeah.

18:29What's Trent's strength? No, but last night I'm saying... No, no, I'm just on the button general. What's Trent's strength? That's hard to say. Easy for me to say. Trent's strength. Trent's strength. Thank you. I thought he said strength twice. Yeah. So what's his point? What's your point? Yeah, but my point is... You've got no point. Last night with... You mentioned Ashley Corbett. He's amazing. He's got one goal in 900 games. I mean, it's true. I'm talking about with Trent. We just talked about Trent's going forward. We're talking about last night and Colabrelli's defensive side. And I said it was very good.

18:58Excellent. And that's what I said. He's got a clean sheet. So that's what I said. I said, but the bits... I said he played brilliantly. You've done part of a full-back's job is what you do going forward, obviously. Yeah, and he's done that pretty well as well. No, he didn't. He's done a couple where he didn't... So what are you saying? Move on, guys. Trent never got anything wrong when he's going forward. I like it. I quite like Bellingham me last night. What are you going on about? Why have you been like that? No, because you've been up... You're in one of those moves. No, I'm not in one of those moves.

19:16You always say that. If you travel up the night before, you get a good night's sleep oh man can you believe this because I didn't go and see him he's vexed have you come this morning right there I didn't go to his last night look at him digging me out now so he's been up at 5 this morning he's not going to be in the zone I'm in the zone I'm in the zone Ashley Cole you got a bit agitated with Ashley Cole but I left that one he's just vexed he's just vexed I haven't been to his house for a while I'm just busy I knew Ashley Cole was going to get mentioned this morning I knew it we could have been speaking about goalkeepers and he had to draw down where we're like I swear to God, this breader.

19:46That's Joe Pearson, Dennis Roe. What's he got to do with Ashley Cole? This breader, man. He's a left back as well. Don't forget to Ashley Cole. He's a left back. You've got to mention he's got to at least make the conversation. I'll come up. When we don't, I'm coming next. We could mention 50 left backs, but you would have to go to Ashley Cole, wouldn't you? I think Ash could be one of the most underappreciated players in Premier League history. Underrated? Underappreciated in terms of how good he was, in terms of he's not. And Dennis fits into that category. Everybody knows how good he was. What did Ashley Cole do to you when we scored, at Highbury one night?

20:15What did he do? Oh, yeah, he came and screamed in my face. Did he? Is that a bad thing? You're screaming people's face. It was unusual. Like five minutes after the celebration. Imagine a player coming up and screaming in your face when they scored a goal. What would you do? I probably wouldn't have liked it. Yeah, you'd have been disappointed. I'd have been a bit disappointed. Boy, you punched people in the face. No, I remember. How can you have a goal at someone for screaming? I've only seen one person give Ashley Cole a tough time. Who was it? Olly Gunner. Olly Gunner. Did he? Chelsea away one, yeah.

20:43We played Bolton one night. Bolden scored and he ran past me who's the midfielder Nolan but obviously they were celebrating he was running past me and he was obviously celebrating oh my goodness how I resisted he's like running past me not screaming at me but celebrating I was it's the worst ever I was thinking when I'm up walking my dog I should have just given him a little boom even now like 20 places I ran past he had full pelter just a little one he would have gone fly clothesline clothesline clothesline boom Boom, boom, boom. Yeah. I take the red for it. Sometimes the red has worked it. To be fair, the surprising thing was for us was that I literally sat next to him in the dressing room literally two weeks before for England and then two weeks after because it was in the middle of the sort of autumn...

21:26That was in the heat of the battle. It was in the heat of a battle. Of the United and Chelsea. He had a tackle on him. Do you know people talk about that game at Old Trafford where they say me and Phil kicked everybody off the park? Yeah, I remember that night. One of the worst tackles I've ever seen is the Rude Van Nistelrooy tackle on Ashley Cole. I saw that clip, yeah. Oh, have you seen that tackle? No, I don't think I have. Did someone get me that up? I know we can't see. Is it like a two-footer? It's one of them where you're pretending to protect the ball. Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah. But you know you get it.

21:59It's an absolute... Is it horrific? It's a red card. I don't think he even got butts, did he? Did he get a butt? Did he get a butt? He wasn't a foul. I like when... Solan Rude. I like when the players get... I like when the players get sent off whether they're on a yellow card or not and they do such a bad tag, they just start walking. Yeah, they don't even look like I'm off. That's the best thing. Have you got it back? I'm not watching that, Gary. Is it nasty to see? No. Here we go. I want to have a look. You only need to see a replay for it to be nasty. Oh, that is... Oh, that is... Yeah, I've done the entire thing.

22:34I thought he was going to get a trampette out and jump in. No, it's not bad. The way you're talking. That is bad. It's bad. Look. You have to go back a bit further. That is bad. It's not bad. It's like Neff's saying. Watch this. Here we go. Slow motion, this. No, that's bad. What on the inside of me? That is the worst tackle you've ever seen. That's one of the worst. No. That would do your cruise ship. No, it wouldn't. No, it wouldn't. You're talking about it. You know the only way that hurts is if his leg was planted and he comes in like that. Yeah, but the thing is, Root's foot slid down. It's not foul.

23:10I don't think that's even a foul. I think he's getting his body in between his body. I don't think you're the barometer for the issue of that foul. There's a couple of players there that kind of went in high. He was quick to put on call there. I think Ash was in the Hall of Fame. He's in the Hall of Fame, Ash. Yeah, I am. I had put it somewhere. I had put it somewhere. I guess it, though. I got sent off as well at Wembley in a League Cup final. And it was COVID, so there was no one there. And that was the longest walk I've ever done. because Wembley was empty because of Covid. I got sent off final and it was the longest walk I've ever done because there was just no sound.

23:47She's been a tall girl if you headbutted her. Yeah. No, that was the game before, I think. What, you headbutted someone a game before? I only got sent off twice. I don't think that's too bad. Did you headbutt someone? Yeah. Was it a proper headbutt? Not really. Broken knowledge on it? No, Fardy did it the day after and he didn't even get a yellow. I feel like it was just... Was it like one of those ones where you're up and getting... Are you up against each other? One of those where you just go close. No, so basically she was smaller than me and then she stood up. She went... You were probably the same height, actually.

24:20She was taller than you. Everyone was fucking... She was taller than you. So then I think you got up and then you put your head towards me and I just... But if I did this to you, see, your reaction is to come towards it. You're breaking, yeah. You don't just take it. Self-defence. what was that program they used to do Skinner years ago Phoenix Flames or something no Phoenix Nights no not the program they used to relive a scene from the program Phoenix Nights like a sending off what redo the scenes saying it again I'm not saying it again what I didn't even do you know you're too young you wouldn't remember that program would you no I remember Phoenix Nights yeah the Friday night one yeah What?

25:08Yeah, fantasy football, though, as well, isn't it? Yeah. Baddiel and Skinner. Yeah, didn't Matt Lucas do that? He was involved. I went on that. I went on it. It had only ended recently, didn't it? I saw one the other day. He's done a new one. No, but they brought one. Jill's been on every programme. You know when Jill says I've been on that, are we supposed to be surprised? I can't tell you what I got, but I did Diel or no Diel on Monday for UNICEF. That was so nerve-wracking. But you can't tell us what you got? No, because it won't be out yet. I've got an idea. I have an idea what you've got.

25:40Yeah, because I told you. You only tell me I'm told, Roy. You remember... Would you tell Roy he's going to use it against you? I know, he probably will. Do you remember Rod Tharnley with the England squad? I don't think we were there. It was after we finished. And he set up a game, a deal or no deal. Did he? But the first person was David James. So he just took the first deal and fucked off. And what was up? Opened two boxes. It is mad, though, because everyone's going, oh, I feel like it's a red or a blue. Like, you haven't got a clue, do you know what I mean? You just... But you've done OK. You're happy enough, I won.

26:22Yeah, yeah, I was happy. But one round can just, like, it can obviously make you do so well or so bad. But I was really nervous. It's quite nerve-wracking being on a show like that. Even if it's not your money? Yeah, well, more so, Oh, because you'd probably take more risk, wouldn't you? Did you do well, Jill? I can't say. You say, well, you did well or not. No, but that still gives away Gary. She done well, she got money, obviously. Let's look at her face. Probably not till me or something. I think I'm wearing this top, actually. Did you do well, Jill? See, she did well. No, I'm not saying it.

26:55It was just a good experience. But don't be giving her credit anyway. You're just opening the box. You don't mind fair play, number 11. You're guessing. You've done well. Fantastic. Yeah, but you've got to play the banker. They actually said to us on the show, they said, oh, the banker's really evil, but you'll be all right with him because you have to work with Roy Keith. Wow. That's what they said. You'll be able to do it. Who was the banker? Do you find out who it is? No, apparently nobody knows. Like, they don't even know if he's there. Like, even Stephen Mulhern, who does the show, he's never seen the banker.

27:29Yeah. I thought they said you work with the wanker Roy kids. That's good. You've never seen the banker. Do what I want. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Mary Earps. Yeah. Hannah Hampton, a big controversy that's, to be fair, probably growing arms and legs beyond what maybe Mary would have wanted. It's gone crazy, hasn't it? Obviously, Mary's brought out a book where she's told her side of the story about Hannah being left out after the Euros and then Serena saying she was going to bring her back in. Yeah, it's just escalated so much. But I've seen a lot of the girls do interviews and I think their opinions are that if things happen in-house, then they've got to kind of stay in-house because now there's a lot of stories about why did Mary retire and stuff like that.

28:19But, yeah, it's a difficult one. I think if you asked Hannah, she'd have a version, Serena would have a version and Mary would have a version. The quote is, This is Mary Ops on Hampton. Her behaviour behind the scenes at the Euros had frequently risked derailing training sessions and team resources. I'm going to go on, but the only negative that each group reported back on was that behaviour, which was overwhelmingly considered disruptive and unreliable with a risk of being destructive, taking energy and time from coaches who needed to work with the rest of the team, on set pieces, mentality, and of course, goalkeeping sessions.

28:51It affected us all in a domino effect to an extent that was extremely unusual and successfully. Very strong words, those, aren't they? I think, obviously... On football terms, her behaviour behind the scenes, what would that behaviour be that would disrupt a team to the point of destruction? Not training properly, I'm going to say. But that's not destructive, is it? I think when you're in a goalkeeper training, there's only three or four of them. So I think, obviously, her experience of maybe that, which I think as players we probably wouldn't have seen as much. But for me, Hannah's a fantastic keeper.

29:27And I think she came in and I think the pressure on her to perform when Mary wasn't there, because obviously Mary had left and there's all this pressure on Hannah to perform as a young keeper in that Euro. She was absolutely fantastic. And Serena's obviously left her out of her camp and then she's come back in. Will people look at that as good management? But it's just the way it's all gone. It's just kind of blew up, hasn't it, really? But Mary's obviously... That's the dynamics of any squad, isn't there? Players are going to be upset. So the manager did leave her out. Of the next camp after the Uros and then brought her back in.

29:57And then a young goalkeeper, a young player can learn and go, maybe I've got to have a better attitude. So they did all learn from it. So I think that's... You know, the sad thing with it is that because the book is so close and she's still playing and they're so close to everything still. You know, it's the normal, you kind of get this narrative 10, 15, 20 when you've retired so it doesn't hit so hard. But what I'd be careful of with them, because both of them, they're not used to the kind of attention they're going to get in respects of how it comes on top for Mary, whatever, whatever Mary thinks.

30:29Mary's entitled to say that, but the way it's come out right now, I think that the pylon that comes for these two ladies who are not used to the kind of attention they're going to get is a worry. That's the biggest thing, I think, with all this. And I feel for them both. But she's not naive enough. Mary is not naive enough to think when she does a book and she mentions this, that this is going to come. Because her profile's gone up the last three or four years anyway. would she know Roy that it was going to come to this extent you think sometimes you do things don't you of course and we've done a book here there's going to be a reaction to it of course but I think her profile the last three or four years to be so surprised that there's been these kind of comments they must have known this would have been coming a little bit I guarantee you but having said that the book company I'd probably delighted it's all about selling books and she is she is now she thinks she will be I don't know I'm not sure I mean you know Mary Earp Do you think she'll be sat there now?

31:20I think when I'm watching that interview, she's saying, like, please don't look at, like, clickbait. Almost apologising. Like, read the story, because she says when she's doing interviews, Hannah's a fantastic keeper. Serena, look at what she's won and everything like that. She doesn't want to question Serena. So sometimes we can see a headline, see a small snippet, and think, oh, she's coming at her. Because again, Jill, she's done it at a time where that's exactly what you're going to look at. It's so close to everything. because they've literally just won the Euros. It's the time to bring the book up, right?

31:52Yeah, but then it's the time to bring the book up, but then at the same time, you've got to expect... I disagree with that. I don't believe that they understand the enormity of what's coming. It's going to be a lot of pressure for them. I disagree with that, that she had to bring the book up, because I just remember towards the end of my career, I brought an autobiography out, but I decided I was never going to bring it out whilst I was still playing. That I had to basically have stepped off the pitch. So I was going to retire the year before, you remember, don't you? And then he'd give me another contract.

32:15So I actually had written my book but not gone to a publisher. So I just employed a writer and I did it on my own, paid him, didn't go to a publisher and just said, let's write it. And at the moment where I basically retire, I'll bring it out. So I had to delay it like a year. And then I went to publishers and said, right, OK, that's my book. It's done. It's finished. That's good as you, Gary. Every situation. I remember just after the 2006 World Cup, you wouldn't probably be there, but I remember that Ash, Frank and Stevie all released their books thinking it was going to be off the back of a successful tournament and they'd signed deals with publishers and it went down like a lead balloon if you remember.

32:54So I always had that in the back of my mind just never think that you're going to get away with it. The options I'm guessing Mary Earp sometimes they're under pressure from publishers Christmas coming up on the back of the Euros you said bring it out next year to hear after it's the timing it's different it can come It would cause issues, can't it, if you release a book while you're still playing? Yeah, tell me about it. Look at the Yap thing. Yeah, yeah. Yap's book. Have you all done an autobiography? Well, are you still playing? I'm still playing. I'm having a nightmare with all my stuff, with the handling stuff, and yeah.

33:25I'd go with that. I'd probably, if I said to anybody, no, again, particularly in the men's game, and you've done well in football, if you're going to write a game, I think it is more enjoyable or relaxing when you're finished. Yeah, you don't. Of course, because when you're playing, you're on the zone, you're trying to... But again, Mary, Yap's different circumstances, different situations. I wouldn't be knocking her for that side of it. I remember the Yacht one, because the big headline, obviously, with Yacht one was that he called me and Phil busy C-U-N. In the book? Right. Yeah. But you're reacting as though it's...

33:53So, Gout, why are you spelling it out? Just say you called us the C-word. Yeah, busy C-word, yes. So, basically, the headline was, the Nevels are... Now, he wasn't wrong... Do you think that was the beginning of the end for him? I'd like to think not that it was nothing to do with that to be fair but my point is my view was that the headline was I remember Yap rang me I was on international duty and it came out and I was shocked at this headline because it was like but I know that mine and Phil's relationship with him so when Yeah he was coming from a good place He was coming from a really good place Yap's amazing bloke Yeah good guy Yap was like 6 foot 12 he was massive Right That's 7 foot isn't it?

34:33He's 8 foot 2 Yap used to come in Phil used to come in in the morning, right, and he used to flick Yap's ear. Wow. And then run away from him. Oh, my God. And Yap used to run after him and just honestly grab him and fucking bear him. The relationship that we had with him was always to try and poke Yap and push him. Yeah, but why would you be bogged? Why would people be bogged? Oh, no, I wasn't bothered. I know you weren't, but you were saying other people. No, so Yap rang me and said, guys, I'm really sorry, the headlines are disgraceful. Because he wouldn't have control over that. He was really sorry.

34:58He was like, I didn't, this is not right. I remember him ringing me like he was with Holland. He said it from a place of endearment, right? Yeah. But the manager could never go at lads writing books then either because he was after writing about ten himself, wasn't it? Did you buy them? It stopped playing, though. But to be fair, and I always remember Yat being really sorry about the headlines and the book. He'd just not paid attention to it because that's what he used to call in the dressing room. I always thought that'd piss you off, man. No. No, really? No. That's what scares me about writing one because it's like you can be honest and you're going to bring out certain relationships that weren't good throughout your career, maybe managers, stuff like that.

35:35Or you can kind of not be honest and then people that are reading it are going, well, that's not true. So I don't think I'd like to do one. I don't think I would. Maybe you don't want to do one now, Jill, but at some stage you've got a story to tell. You'd still have to kind of... I'm not saying bring people out, but talk about stories that maybe sometimes stuff's just best left. That's why if you give it time, it might... It's easier to... It lands easier. Jill, I think I saw that it was either on television or on Instagram, Ellen White, I think, did an interview, I don't know if you've seen it, where she said that, and there is an element of truth in that, what she says.

36:12She said basically that that bubble of our training room was sacrosanct and what went on in there stays in there. Oh, do you believe? No, no, I'm just saying, no. Oh, what nonsense that is. I'm quoting. I know you're quoting. So I'm saying, Ellen White said there was an element of what's been said in here that was almost like that was us. We were a winning team together. We won the Euro. He looks like David Bray. Nothing gets out of here, yeah.

36:38I know, I know, I hear that stuff all the time. You know what happens in a dress? First time people get offered a few quid, they go, yeah, I'll write a book. It's like, yeah. Listen, nobody's forced anybody to buy these books. You know what I mean? This idea that what stays in a dress. The main thing with writing it, though, is that if you're going to write it... People have their ages and their friends. If you're going to write it, then, you know, and you're going to put what you're going to put in there, ideally you want to let people know. Like, yeah, done with you. Yeah, give me a headshot.

37:08This is coming out and you know how many. That's all that needs to happen. And then whatever comes off of the back of it, you have to take that. Have you written a few books, truthfully? How many have you done? Two. Two, right. Okay, yeah. Have you done one? I've done one. How many? Two. Scorsi? I did, like, a picture book thing. You've not done that. Yeah. Are we out of here? I'm modelling. What do you mean, just a picture of you playing? Yeah, a picture of playing like a little story. And no words, just stories. No words. Shooting down the ground, though, wasn't that? Just a few words underneath it.

37:42Not a proper foreign autobiography. But, like, this is me playing against Starby. This is me playing against... Goal. Get warmed up. But you've put your name to it, obviously. And you've not done one yet. No, but I think when work dries up, I might bring out six or something. I'm joking. No, I haven't done one. I've done two yet. I bought yours when I was about 10. Two's about one. Do one when you just finish. Yeah, it's more relaxed when you've finished. When did you do yours right when you were playing? Obviously, the one... The first one. First one. Probably, was it just... Were you still at United then?

38:14Yeah, yeah. What year was it? I definitely had it as a kid. I would have been 31. Was that the one that the FA had a bit of a pop-up? Yeah, because obviously they could, because I'm still playing. But you can almost say anything you want when you're finished, because you're not, obviously you're not a player. Yeah, not under the jurisdiction. It's a different kind of vibe when you're doing the second one. When I'd done the second one, it was definitely more relaxing because you didn't have anyone hanging over yet. Oh, is this the book? Yes, this is, oh my God. Give it here, Ciaran. I remember that.

38:41This brings back such... This brings back childhood memories. Right, we could put the book so it's been... Where's mine, Ciaran? Oh, that's not it. Jill, we need to get some quotes out for a minute. Yeah, no. I don't know. That's about the book. I wouldn't recommend that, I have to say. You know when you said everyone said you look like, your son looks like you, that's a picture, isn't it? That is, look, on the back. That is just him. What are these books? Have you got right these books? Scoresy's picture book? Why is yours so big? That's the first one. Your first line in your book, right, is...

39:16It was ghostly written, by the way. That was your defence that didn't stack up either. to the FA lawyers. And the guy, honestly, he said, give it a second, I'll tell you what the lawyer was doing to me when I was getting cross-examined. I was like, oh, well, somebody went, this is you on the front of this book, isn't it? I'm like, yeah, it is. This is your book. I'm like, fuck it, yeah. Fine, mate. Give me the fine. You can't do that. This is you on the front of this book. Roy, I'm just going to say, no, it's not me. How much did you find? For the, I don't know, the Hanlon stuff, they fined me about 150 grand or something.

39:51Really? Yeah. And obviously I'd been fined as well for getting sent off in the game and all the legal fees. Did you make a profit then? The book, you lose money. It broke even. So you released a book and it cost you money? Yes, Jill. That's why I released another one. That's why I did another one, Jill. So I'm doing another four. What's the line? Theresa told me on the phone that I was disgraced World Cup star Roy Keane. That's the first line. So that's Teresa ringing you up at the side pan? Probably, yeah. Was she reading the headline or something? Yeah, she was giving me moral support, yeah.

40:29Who is the most controversial? Can I tell you, this is my last time talking about this tackle. I still don't think it was a bad tackle. I really don't. I don't get what anyone says. It wasn't great a tackle. It wasn't a great tackle, was it? It was not as bad as everyone thinks it is. When you play a sport, the speed we play that, obviously I watch games. You know how to, there's a difference between hurting somebody and injuring somebody. Big difference. That's my argument I don't like that I was trying to hurt somebody Not injure somebody This episode of Stick to Football Is brought to you by Arm Clothing What's the most Controversial autobiography That's been released The one that shook Everybody Can we think of one?

41:09I can't You need a list Yeah no I haven't got one I'm trying to think Of the last one That I actually read Yeah Did you upset anybody? I don't think From what I remember and I've seen him a lot of times since and I've gotten well with him since working with him a lot. It was Glenn, Glenn, Glenn Hoddle. Because I think my portrayal of the 98 World Cup when obviously he spoke about, he asked Teddy to apologise before the tournament and then he said about Bex that Bex wasn't focused and then I think during the actual 98 Argentina game just a couple of things and I just yeah so I just spoke about that from my perspective I don't think Glenn thought about that so you didn't call him up and tell him that's going in no no did he ever speak to you about it no and someone said that he would speak to me about it and then when I was with him he didn't but that's fine I mean I was never going to change my mind I think it was on the issue of so before the tournament if you remember we went to the manga the manga yeah I didn't agree with the way in which the players were released, but that's a mistake, that can happen.

42:20If you remember, it was awful. But then he told us all, basically, we were meeting up at, let's say, Burnham Beaches or Bishop Abbey, whenever we were, three days later between La Manga and meeting up for the tournament. And I think he did say to us, don't get caught out, lads. And Teddy, I think, went to Portugal, didn't he? Teddy went to Portugal on a little trip and he got a picture, I think one of the newspapers got him, like the people or the news of the world. So it was a picture of Teddy, like, in a bar. and he made Teddy... It's not like Teddy. Sky News or something. He made Teddy go out and do a written...

42:52Teddy had to read out an apology. What do you do about? No, no, no. Teddy had to read out an apology to all the news stations of how he was wrong or else he would have left him out of the squad. And I said to Teddy, you can't do that. I said, it's just a public humiliation. But anyway, Teddy did it because he was going to get kicked out of the squad and I didn't agree with that. I knew Teddy had done wrong but I think discipline for me should have remained internally. So you're not the manager. Absolutely. So a different way of looking at it. To be fair, Glenn had principles, standards. He was thinking, I'm the England manager.

43:20And he felt that there should be a public consequence for it. I personally, at United, it had always been dealt with behind the scenes mainly. Stuff like that. We're talking about Teddy. Teddy's the kind of character that he'll just say, you know. He'll roll with that. Teddy will go, you know what, I'm bang out. And then a week later, obviously he left Bex out of the first game of the World Cup. But when he was doing the press conference three days before the game, he said the reason he wasn't picked was because he was distracted and wasn't concentrating on his football or something along those lines.

43:45And I just thought, again, that was the biggest slight you could put on a professional football player. If you'd left him out... It wasn't nothing to do with Man United. Why are you getting bogged on with all that stuff? Is it just because of Man United players, Gal? Gal. Let's get this book out, shall we? Was it as well, Gal, because of your loyalty to United and how much you love United and they're both United players? Yeah, they were United teammates and I felt as though, to be fair, it wasn't just quite right and look it's an opinion and I wasn't really critical of Glenn because I said that he was one of the best coaches I've ever worked with but I just felt that he got the job very young and I think if Glenn had got the job five, six years later in his development he'd have probably been one of the best England coaches we've ever had Scolsey would have stayed that's for sure Scolsey loved playing under Glenn you loved playing under Glenn he was your favourite wasn't he he would have sorted that team out we had him here didn't we we didn't say anything then did we no he was a good guest Glenn to be fair he's very good I mean, on television, I think he's brilliant.

44:41Was there a point when you're a player, it's interesting, because I look back with the World Cup and I get gear not turning up and you get frustrated as a player, but should a senior player be getting involved in that and bogged down by that? Or should you just go, is that what a good senior player does? My stuff, a little bit of United, you get frustrated with stuff. Or do you say, do you back away from all that and go, that's not my gig, I'm here to play? I think when you care, though... In terms of getting involved and going, listen, that's unacceptable. libelide the issues with Mick when we first went to Saipan about the gear and stuff not turning up.

45:10But at what stage do you get involved in it? Or do you go, and if you, I always think, if you back away from me, you say not, and that's worse than actually going, this is unacceptable. Particularly when you're a senior player. Where's the line? Where do you cross that line? When you're a senior player with England, if you say the women's team, there's one or two misbehaving, when do you kind of go into the manager and go, this is unacceptable? Or do you have to trust your manager? You'll deal with that. Yeah, but with what was happening with the public, you had to say are you going to sleep knowing that I should have said something yeah but like never just saying about Glenn making Glenn making a teddy but why same with me with the gear I should have been over there really if I wanted and go football's a selfish game you look after yourself but that's not my gig I'm not there to sort the gear out so why am I getting drawn into something like that because you're used to having the proper gear to perform are you saying Roy that you would do something differently now if you were living it again no I'd probably do exactly the same thing because I think the biggest skill is when you keep your mouth should but where's that line where you get drawn into a confrontation with a manager to say this is unacceptable because that's a captain's job or a senior player you must have been captain so you're like United there's arguments you're going why am I getting involved is that good where do you draw the line you give your opinion because sometimes when you get involved in it once you get involved in it there's going to no going back it's not going to be listen can we ever sit down and chat and discuss why the gear's not here it'd be like hold on a second and that's where that's where the tension comes into it so as a senior player where do you draw the line of I'm getting involved in that the gear not being here the training facilities are the disgrace but Roy how did you deliver that first message to Mick McCarthy about the gear because you you ought to have gone in angry no no the first chat when we got over there when the gear hadn't arrived I was like Mick what's going on yeah that was all very relaxing and casual but then the kind of the tension then built over the next few days and I always think when you're going down that road even my bit at United there's no going back there's no going I'll just once you're disappointed or you confront somebody at the start it can be what's going on here and then a few days and you're like hold on a second you said it'd be sorted by and that's where the energy levels and that's where you don't have that different personality and go alright I'll back away from my focus I'm being a player it's like no no no Do you regret that?

47:36But you want everything to be right, don't you? No, not necessarily right, but you want people to be trying to make things right. It's when people go, oh, well, it's not my gig. It's like us turning up here. We'd be saying, come on, we want things done properly, not perfection. You want progress. Then players as well, when you're saying about the game, they want someone to say it. But can I ask you... It's the younger players who will think they're saying it right, but can't they ever look at it right? No, but I'm intrigued. it's called you make a point about captain but there was other lads who played loads of games the same as me played hundreds of games they weren't getting involved and sometimes I look back and go how can you sit there and they're looking at me going off you go and you're going I couldn't sit there and go listen all the best even if I was a young player when I got in the Irish squad or was at United if I saw something I wouldn't take the lead role in it but I certainly wouldn't be going I'm taking a step back from here which of those players would have seen the standards that you would have seen no I'm not I'm not even going to try and compare it to the standards I've seen, just about the standards you're trying to get to.

48:38Not everyone says to me, but when you go away with Ireland, you go away with other teams, it's not going to be the same as you know. I knew that. I have to say with England, when we went away, the way in which we were treated from a point of view of the travel, the training pitches, the media centre, it was unbelievable. I used to hear your stories when I used to come back with Ireland. And that was fine, but England is England, Ireland is Ireland. It's different dynamics. We had no excuses for England in terms of how the FA set things up. But the Irish, we do it our way, and I'm not knocking the Irish way, and that is sometimes a bit, you know, for years, win or lose.

49:08I got all that. I was embraced and all that. I loved that. But you also know that going, listen, come to Crunch, we'll be competing. Yeah. But as the years went on, you're going, hold on, now the game's moved on a lot a bit in sports science, and, you know, for us to have qualified for the World Cup, it's not as if you qualified for the World Cup and it's on next week. It's not, you qualify six months in advance. So to go over there, you're going, yep, I've had these frustrations anyway for a number of years about food not been right, whatever. That's another story. And then you get over and the gear's not there.

49:37And I laughed and joked for years, but then comes a point where you go, Mick? But then I ask Mick, is it on Mick? When you go away, I bet you I wasn't on the manager to make sure the gear is there. There's obviously people in the background who go, administration, go, we do all that stuff. Sometimes it's cost. Oh, well, maybe that will come into it a little bit. One thing I would say about you, Roy, is that you are, and this is absolutely why you're the player that you were and why you're the character. You were zero tolerance. You were zero tolerance. I don't know. I don't know about that. In terms of standards and professionalism, you were zero tolerance.

50:07If someone was late, if someone didn't have the right boots on, if someone was... I was watching a sub getting ready last week, and I thought, you actually, I can't remember, I was in America watching the game, and there was a sub literally where he took his top off, he took his jumper off, then he put his under top back on, and he was taking him literally about a minute and a half, two minutes to get ready. And I'm like, I just imagine if that was like you watching, you'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? Make sure you're ready when you come out. You had a zero tolerance. But I'd also have a bit of like, when we used to go over, again, we always talk about the stories when we were in.

50:35Listen, I've been there for training. We've been on drinking sessions. And I would turn a blind eye to certain things, yeah. But I wouldn't be, I don't think I was a geek with people being 100 % right. No, but you were zero tolerance on standards and professionals. I had, I think I had a little. You probably lost the lights around, weren't you? Maybe, but I always thought I had a bit of leeway with lads going, hold on, lads, draw the line now. And I think with Ireland, but it comes a tipping point with everything else where you're going, hold on a second, what's going on here? And that's the bit where I thought, there's no going back now.

51:03Where even you're confronting somebody, you know you're going to lose. I've said this before. The only one losing I know is going to be me. I'm not sitting there going, I'm going to have the last laugh here. But there's no going back then. I don't know if that's a good, that's not a good or a bad place to be. When you're confronting somebody, you're going, there's no going back now. Do you think Mick, though, I mean, he must have known you. He could have pulled it back as well. So what I'm saying, for me, I think there's an element sometimes where you go and you go and there's no pulling you back but there's a lot that goes on usually before that point so at one point I feel like I would know in the dressing room and even now when you're going to you're going to be happy with something when you're going to blow so for me Mick would probably is frustrated about the gear not coming but then having to worry about what am I going to say to Roy the next time he should be more worried than anybody else not worry about me Yeah, but everybody.

51:59But you're on a boat. If you're the one who's pulling and saying, what's going on? Then it's not coming. Then he's finding out from somewhere, well, that's not coming. Then he's got to say, well, Roy's going to ask me again, what am I going to say to him? And then his ego is now starting to... But you know what you call these meetings? Because you've got a player talking to the manager in a way like the manager might be thinking, I've got to show that I'm going to stand up. But I kept my mind shut for years, even at United. People talk about, when United, Ferguson called that meeting, and Mick McCarthy called the meeting in front of the players and pulled me up.

52:24You're going, oh, no, no problem. you want to call the meeting up guess what there's going to be fireworks and I'm not a big lover of fireworks as you know bonfire you just heard about the girl earlier white going oh we keep everything alright so if we're going to have a meeting at United let's have a meeting yeah and you're going to set them off no yeah yeah listen if someone says set them off see that face do you remember oh let's have a get together and discuss things go yeah yeah happy days looking hiding for the last 10 years and then what are you doing and what are you doing people go I don't like these open chats you called it yeah it's hard when people don't back you up Mick McCarty standing going can I just pull a player up in front of everybody fire away Mick this will be good you better be ready if you want the full story it's still available it's available in all good shops can you buy it that's a really good advert for it that's your award right where we at oh is there any more and also Stan's book get that free my one Where did that come from?

53:26Let's do Super 6. Let's lighten the atmosphere.

53:34Come on, Ben. Great. Super 6. Can people please join the Stick to Football Super 6 League online? Well done, Ben. Beautiful. Cheers, guys. That'll get me. I've learned from the best, Gary. That's what I'm doing. I'd read. Love your enthusiasm for that. Thank you. Right. Here we go. Here we go. Come on, Scaldi. Last week. Aye You two got nine Nine Oh you got lucky with Is that good? Yeah Fulham is good Newcastle Fulham was there Get rid of Carrot Fulham Newcastle killed us Top 20 % of players You beat over 775 ,000 players What about 35 points What did they get? You got four Yes And I got them by myself The turnaround I got them by myself Newcastle Fulham Newcastle Fulham the last minute winner.

54:25Sunderland, Chelsea as well. No, it was Newcastle. Newcastle, Fulham, yeah. You called it 2-1. We had 1-1. I think that closed up. What a difference that is. In injury time. Honestly. Who gave the ball away to the centre half of Fulham? Let's hammer him. In injury time. Calv and Bassa. The Calv. Two goals. Everton, Fulham. Calv. Everton, Fulham. Everton, Fulham, guys. That's a difficult one. I think you've done four points in the last three weeks. And they're my four. Everton, Fulham, three o 'clock. I don't know. I haven't a clue. I was at Everton for Tottenham last week. What time is this? On Saturday?

54:59Saturday through. 2-1 Everton. I must say the Tottenham-Chelsea derby I actually 2-1 Everton. 2-1 Everton? Yeah with no conviction really but we're going for it. I fancy Fulham. Fulham a good team. I fancy Fulham. At Everton. Fulham's fourth bottom. Fifth bottom. I think they're just a little bit of something away from the Wolves. The Hamburg Wolves. You can't make mistakes It's like, Calvin, did he have a weight? I've probably got Everton as well because they're not scoring. What do you think? I know, but now you said that. I'm on one. Now you said that, I went like that, yeah. Right, he's all over the place.

55:34I'm all over. I'm tired. I'm still sleeping. West Ham, Burnley. West Ham, Burnley. The Ian Wright derby. What's this? West Ham? Burnley. Let's go. Oh, border then, what one to ball? Wow. 3pm. West Ham got a good win, doesn't it? How do you eat it? That's a tough one for West Ham, I should say. Yeah, I think so, yeah. I think that's a tough one for West Ham. Tangerine. Tangerine, yeah. Could Barney get some? Can I get some? They won't want the ball. Can you imagine that? No, I think West Ham might get a little bit of momentum after the Newcastle game. I'll be fooled by that. I fancy... What the word?

56:08Draw. What do you think? Draw. What did you say? I could have said... Roy, draw. Is that going to be a draw? I fancy a draw now because I can't call it. We've got 1-1 again, don't we? OK, just for the cameras, I say West Ham. I do. I think West Ham win. Wait a minute, can we just one second? Three. Three-one. Gary, I want to be on your team. We're more on the same wavelength. You've got West Ham closer. You're next. Yeah. You know what, I think Sunderland... Sunderland. I thought West Ham did well last week. Yeah, Newcastle. Yeah, they did, yeah. Newcastle were poor. They did come back, yeah. Saturday, 5.30.

56:40First win in six months, yeah. Sunderland, Arsenal. Stadium of Light is bouncing. Saturday. 5.30. 5.30. Saturday. Saturday. Do you think we could get something? Could get something. they're awkward aren't they yeah go on yeah I'll go with that guys 1-1 I'll sit in defence 1-1 yeah I don't know why I've done that but I fancy after but I think Sunderland are tough there so I'll tell you who's been amazing Jacka for Sunderland oh my god what a player who? righty what do you think Jacka your team are going well eh yeah we're playing well we're playing games I'm going to go 2-1 you know what I'm not 2-0 2-0 2-0 Arsenal, I'm going to go.

57:21What do you think? I was going to go draw, but I don't like to say the Sunderland scores, so I'll let you go. And then if they win... Yeah, then I'll be cheated on my Twitter. Villa Bournemouth. Is that us? That is Sunday, 2pm. That's a lot of 2pm's on a Sunday, aren't that? Bournemouth win. Bournemouth win. Aren't these predictions getting harder, isn't it? Trying to get these right. You've never found them easy on your side. You've had too much debate. Yeah, I agree. You were David Moyes. He saved your season last year. He put you up on the lawn for the week. I think Bournemouth win this. At Villa?

57:58Yeah. At Villa. By the way... Villa will have a European game, won't it? I was frustrated with Bournemouth at City. Yeah, but you always say that doesn't matter. The travel business class have got their feet up. I was frustrated with Bournemouth. I was frustrated with Bournemouth at City. Was you? Yeah, they're in their home. I know. They're in their home, yeah. I know. Can you see Bournemouth going and win at Villa? Yeah, I think it's 1-0 Bournemouth. Go on then, why? I think, go on. I felt like, I can understand why he wanted to keep doing the things that he does, but his centre-backs pushing into midfield with Harlan leaving space behind.

58:28It was crazy. And then his right-back going, just disconnecting the back foot too high up the pitch. I just thought it would be a bit more pragmatic. Go on, do your goal. Yeah, good shot. Villa-Bourmouth, I think Villa win. Matty Cash. I think Villa win. What game was it? In Spurs. Spurs. I don't see. I have never seen a pass like it. What are you doing, gal, for Villa? Man Villa-Bourmouth. Did he mean? 2-0. 2-1. Two-one. Two-one. Two-one. Two-one. I like me. I don't think Bournemouth beat the Villa at the moment. Brentford and Newcastle. I thought Newcastle were... You know something? I was worried about Newcastle on Sunday against West Ham.

59:02They were awful. I was really frustrated with them. They were really bad. They're playing... They're European. They're away as well. Are they European? Are they home or away? Bill Powell? No. Home or away scores? Oh, Brentford got beat in there as well. Pretty sure they're at home. I think they'll get something. I think Newcastle, do you? I think they'll get some. 1-1, do you reckon? 1-1 or 1? Yeah, I'll go 1-1. 1-1. Jordan Henderson's doing well, isn't he? He'll go 2-2 then, if you can't go to see him. He's doing really well. Yeah, that'd be a good game. City-Liverpool. Sunday, 4.30. City-Harland.

59:33Right, you're an Arsenal fan. Who do you want to win? City or Liverpool? Do you want to draw? Yeah, whoosh. It would be a good result to draw, but I think City will beat Liverpool. I do. I do. Kieran thinks Liverpool are winning. I don't think Liverpool are winning. Do you? Of course you do. You're a scouser. You're going to want that. It's not enough, Kieran, just to say you think that. You're not. I feel like that. It's like, we know you think that. Why do you think that? Do you think Liverpool? With that defence. Yeah, but look at the way Haaland's blasting through defence. That's wow. It's going to stop.

1:00:02With that high line. I'd go Liverpool then. I've not got a strong feeling. I've got a massive feeling. I just think Liverpool are better. What's it? 2-1 to Liverpool then? 2-1. 2-1 to Liverpool. Scolze. 2-1 to Liverpool. Wow. Good show. You deserve the five points if you get that. Thank you very much.

1:00:24We've got two decent-sized things to get through. What? Danny Welbeck, should he go to the World Cup? Who mentioned that a few weeks ago? Was it you, Jill? Danny Welbeck, you've got basically Harry Kane as a centre-forward. He scored again, though, didn't he? Yeah, I don't know if you say, can he go to the World Cup? He's got to be in with a chance. Should he be in the squad? In the squad, yeah, the World Cup. Get him back in the squad, in the group. Because he's scoring and he's taking good chances. He's playing really well. You can see where he is with the way he's taking the chances. If he carries on doing that for the season.

1:00:54If it was now, you would, wouldn't you? Yeah, yeah. If it comes to the end of the season, he's still having a good season. Oh, yeah, definitely. Joint second top scorer, six goals, playing well. I think he'll keep everyone grounded as well. He seems just... What age is he? Four as well. So who would the forwards be? Harry? I thought he was younger now. Harry goes, and then you've got Rashford. You've got Watkins and you've got Welback. Solanke. Solanke. Tony. No, he'd be ahead of them. He'd be ahead of them. All of them. No, the last couple you mentioned. The last two. Tony and Solanke. He's ahead of them, sure.

1:01:26Yeah, with the way he's playing. So what you're saying is taking three forwards then. If he's taking three forwards, Danny carries on, he'll go. I think he probably will go. Watkins, Kane. Injuries. Watkins, Kane, Welback. Yeah, I'd take that. I wouldn't have a problem with them three. Have you gone off Watkins? I suppose. I've gone off him, but he just seems to have got... I don't expect him to score goals anymore. He doesn't score a lot of goals. I just feel like he was somebody that's ready to blast. The finishes that you sometimes see him miss, and I've mentioned it before, you think those are the chances that take you again to that place where I just need that one chance when I'm going to score even if I only get half chances.

1:02:01Is this Watkins? Yeah. It seems to me he chooses the wrong finish or what. What about Villa playing out from the back of Anfield on Saturday? Oh, there were so many turnovers. I was like, I was actually thinking of you, thinking you'll be screaming at the telly just to miss it out. It was crazy. It is. So Daniel Elbert goes? Yeah. I think he goes. No, and I'll get back involved in the next couple of squads. Yeah, that's the main thing. I'll put more cups in a few months. Yeah, the main thing, he's got to continue that form. And do you know what, he might bring in. And obviously he's supposed to be with Jockside.

1:02:30He's supposed to be a good lad in here, only group. If he'd be happy to be bench and come out, you know he would. I'm sure he would be. Some lads would go over and they'd be human to be under bench. He'd be just delighted to be there. when you're going in that vibe you just go whereas Watkins might be a little bit funny about that he seems to struggle when there's someone next to him who's doing more like remember with John Durant he kind of like had a funny energy about him where he didn't seem to go to the next level Watkins won goal in 15 this season it's not ideal when you were in the squad was there anybody that was a pain in the arse when they weren't starting I never saw that ever in England did you not?

1:03:05there were lads that maybe got a little bit down. Yeah. You're always going to get down. Not to the point of disruptive down. I think you should get down because you should want to play. But I just wonder if... I can't think of anyone. Yeah, but I was going into squads knowing that I'm not starting, but I just always thought, let me give you a... If I just want half a chance. Yeah. I used to think sometimes maybe Robbie Fowler would get down a little bit. Do you think that? Because I think he was unbelievable, wasn't he? But he would always start with like Shearer sharing... Yeah. And Robbie was always...

1:03:34The centre-fouls were unbelievable. Robbie could be scoring goals like left, right and centre. Look at her four righty, Les Ferden. I think Les is also someone that gets frustrated. Andy Cole. Cole, he would get frustrated, yeah. That is absolute crazy how there was all them fantastic goals. Was it weird dynamics with England? I know you've spoke about it before, United. That's awkward, isn't it? It was awkward. It can be good sometimes. It was awkward, wasn't it? Was it? It was strange. Even though that scored in 98, it was nice and that, obviously it went to the World Cup and it went really on the team and everybody's together but it was an energy that wasn't like you know you're not about the manager can I say something you know you're not going down for a bite tea and the lads but would they even try and organise it would just be like a big long table were you yeah they did and we still sat together but yeah we were at this end this is true when I was away with Ireland I'd sit down and I'd be having my food and people would stop and pause and they'd be kind of and they'd be looking at me and they'd just carry on just sitting as far away from me.

1:04:36That's cool. They'd sit as far away as possible from me. Glenn introduced the long table. So you've got a table that holds 25 players or 24 players. The problem with that is if you have a round table that holds 10 you can speak to all the 10 people. If you sit on a long table of 24 you can speak to literally the four people that are around you. But you're sitting next to each other and it's tight. You're speaking less to people than you would do if you was 10. But what managers... I get it. Then you come down for breakfast with an awkward face, what? Would managers not You might be sitting next to somebody different here and there on different times.

1:05:07We'd have managers that if the scene you were like, just with your team, if we're in a meeting they'd go, make sure you sit next to someone different. Would they not say that? In fact, staff used to come and sit on us a lot, didn't they? You think of Peter Bersley and Kevin Keegan. Yeah, yeah. They used to come and sit on our table loads. Yeah. Yeah, we used to mix staff and players. I draw the line of that. Yeah. We were going to say before why my hand was up here. I saw this thing on Instagram the other day. No, it's important, this. And it was 1992, and what it did, it put the top goal scorers in the Premier League, and it changed, basically, the top 15 goal scorers in the Premier League, and basically it went 1992 all the way through to now.

1:05:49And the top eight goal scorers, or seven out of the top eight goal scorers in, like, 94, 95, were you, Les Ferdinand, Shearer, Sheringham, Collymore, Coley, Fowler. it was like I was like looking at it thinking there's eight English strikers and then you see how it goes to 2000 2003 and all of a sudden it changes it changes it's amazing it's actually really what's it now truthfully how many would be in the top I don't know to be fair I didn't watch it to the end but I remember stopping it and pausing it and thinking oh my god there's eight English centre forwards there I think Chris Sutton might have been in there as well eight English centre forwards in the top nine it was unbelievable thinking about how many English forwards it was a bit of a funny one Chris Sutton wasn't it yeah a bit of a moaner

1:06:30Was it a B team? I think it was a B game, that's what it was. He turned down an England B game. I remember I played my first England B game. It was at Millwall. I should have turned it down. You go. The old Millwall. The old Millwall as well. The den. Remember playing there? Yeah, we played there in the Youth Cup semifinal. Honestly, why would you let kids play there? This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Early season report. We're doing? that's school report that's school report ok so I heard that word do you school is just school the best goalkeeper so far in the Premier League this season best keeper is it Raya got to be Raya on a numbers got to be on it Raya have they still only conceded three goals in all comps I think it is do you know every game I ask in Europe you're just out of 18 they're going to win don't you you're not thinking any slip ups even last Yeah, last night you just knew it would be 2-0 or 3-0 or whatever.

1:07:31The way they started as well, Slavia Prague, because I was thinking, who's going to get the ball for us in players' set? But Slavia Prague was on. They just saw it off and bam, got the penalty. You know when Liverpool and City won the league, though, the last two years, Arsenal conceded the least goals, didn't they? Yeah, but no, good fact. I know, obviously, 23-3, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's more of a goal strategy, of course. But it goes to show that, obviously, you've got to put the ball in the back of the net. best defender Gabriel do you reckon yeah or Timber I think Timber's been amazing Timber's pushing him close obviously Gabby scores the goals and that but Timber's what's he defender what about after what about Van der Ven he scored that oh his goal he got caught last week off Casado for the goal he had to talk to them but then he scored that goal That goal was incredible.

1:08:28Do we think, who do we think, Gabriel, Timber? Yeah, Gabriel. Special mentions for others? Any others? United, United, Lashley Cole. Ashley Cole. Maguire. Gabriel. Yeah, I think it's called Gabriel. Who's been the best midfield player in the Premier League so far? Rice. Yeah, it doesn't sound like that. Rice or Cacedo, do you reckon? Yeah, so I think that, yeah. So far, Rhea, yeah. Again, the powerful. I like lads who look powerful. You know what I mean? Even on a bad side, they're powerful, yeah. Yeah. Or the guard, I know. So that's three so far. And the centre-forward, no, it's Haaland, isn't it?

1:09:08Probably Haaland, yeah. Yeah, you can't have that one. You can't have that one. Right, we've got a spine in the team. Who has been the biggest disappointment so far in the Premier League? And it's a player and it's manager. Manager? That's tough. It's so horrible. I'm going to reshape it. The players trying to manage it. You might have just been sacked. I'm going to reshape it. The Wolves want to do that. The player that's not lived up to expectations so far this season. It still sounds bad. Would you say Isak from the point of view of...? Probably, yeah. With all the noise that was coming, you'd probably say Isak.

1:09:43Because now, the thing with Isak, the pressure is that when he comes, he has to do something. Because the guy who's playing is actually doing it. And he was doing it. I think you've come good from that. I do. I think you've come good. He had a couple of big moments there. You think about the money-wise as well. If you take money into consideration, you think about Verts as well, don't you? But sometimes... I think Verts will come good as well. People just read the headlines, don't they? I think Verts is OK. Even Verts passed last night. If they score, that's an assist from him. Lads are missing chances.

1:10:10He has one at Chelsea as well. And his stats don't look good on the back of that. Xavi Simons. Xavi Simons. Disappointed. He had a beautiful shot last night. We were thinking if that goes in again, he's mum... But you just want to see... You want to see... Yeah, you just need to see what... He's still early, isn't he? I think Furtz is doing OK. Sometimes we just read a headline and then it becomes a narrative. I think he's actually doing all right. Florian. I think somebody says something once and then it's like, oh, my God, he's missed a game. Like, I actually think he's doing OK. Did you see him against that opposition last night?

1:10:40For some reason, he just looked more comfortable. He just looked more composed. Of a European game. I don't know what it was. Maybe it's because it's a European game. It's not physical. When you're under 20 million, you're going to have that expectation. But do they expect, like, three assists a game straight away? Like, you have to adjust, don't you? I think it does take a bit of time. And the players have to adjust to him as well. It's not taking time for Eketike, though, is it? It's different for a striker. People don't understand, with a striker, you can be up there, you can be falling off your bad touch game, but the ball comes across, bam, you tap it in, everyone says, oh, he's settled.

1:11:13Because you've scored the goal. With a midfielder, it's harder. It's harder for defenders. It's hard for everyone else apart from a striker. Striker's a scorer goal and everyone says, oh, he's settled. So who's not lived up to expectations? Isak, would you say, so far then? I think he hasn't played enough for us to see him. I don't feel like Isak's got going yet, really. He's not like a run of games. Although he had that big chance against United, he should have scored. That is when you think, right. Against United, particularly. I don't want to name anyone. I'm not going to go down that road.

1:11:42Because it's tough. I wouldn't like to be the player where I've just signed and I'm at home now on the toilet seat thinking, I just want to get better. I just want to do my... And then stick to football saying, yeah, Ian Wright, yeah. Do players help other lads now as much, I think? You know, when lads go to a club, do lads go out of their way to help them? Like, I'm on the off the field as well. I think so, because when Arsenal scored that goal the other day, did everybody, you see them, when they've done that camera, they're just happy for him because they know what it means. It looks like Van Dijk is rallying round a little bit and trying to sort of take the heat off everyone.

1:12:16I think, to be fair, you look at what he's doing at the moment, Van Dijk. Like, I mean, he didn't play well a couple of weeks ago against United, but he's standing up in interviews, he's fighting back. You can tell he's defending his patch, you know what I mean? He likes to fight back, even in his interviews. He does pick up on comments, he does get hurt by that. No, I don't mind that. Is it hurt or is he just saying, no, hang on, don't have cheap shots? No, he's fighting his corner. And then obviously some of the digs have been against him and his leadership. And he's come up fighting and you go, that's good.

1:12:42He's respectful with it as well. He was very good to see him. Because the thing is that as pundits, you know what I mean, we're not in an echo chamber. It's not like what we say affects people. And so when you say something that's maybe questioning someone's integrity about signing and dropping off, that's something where you wouldn't point at him. In the current climate for his playing, I wouldn't point at him. I'll say he signed a new deal. I'll say let's see if he drops off. You can't do that to Virgil and not expect him when he comes out to speak. You've got that big contract. Yeah, but when you are a player that's stature and you're a captain, you have to come out and speak and say, no, no, I'm not having that.

1:13:20Just like you can have your opinion to say, he's got his every right to answer. He's got to be able to take it a little bit. Yeah, but take criticism of the way you're playing, but you're going to say to somebody that they've dropped off because they've got a new deal. That's a different kind of criticism. I haven't even last year, but the angle is then last year when a player, his contracts might be up and they have a bad game. Oh, well, what's up with him? Is he thinking he's already leaving? So people, right, he will always find an angle or he's signed a new deal or he's not signing a deal.

1:13:47Trent last year. People always find... Trent was booed last... Oh, I hated that last night. People get booed. Yeah, but I thought that was... I'm on about last year when he was playing. Yeah, but I mean, last night, I actually felt so sorry for him. I really did. Like, a lad who supported that team his whole life, like, as a young kid, and then he goes back and you think, oh, I felt so sorry for him. The reputation of Liverpool fans is always, you know, they're loyal and they're kind of another level up for most other supporters. But yeah, I think whatever anyone says, I think for a player to go back, the service he gave and his contract was up.

1:14:20And the thing is, Roy? To boo him. People are going, we pay money, we're on tight. That's fine, of course, you're not going to argue with supporters. You know what, Roy, when you look at him, when he was young, so he'd be dreaming of winning all those things for Liverpool, then you say, you know, one day I'll leave and then I could come back and it'd be great. But the fact is, when he was getting ready to leave, these things are the things that he's thinking about, what it'd be like when I go back. And so I was more worried about Liverpool. I was more concerned for him when Liverpool booed him when he was there.

1:14:44He would have expected that last night, especially the way he left. And that was the saddest thing. He had to deal with that. But, you know, that's what happens when you choose somebody else, especially over Liverpool. You know, they're going to hold it against you. Like they compare, I know Jamie made the point the last few days, they were comparing it to Van Dijk and Salah. But they're older players, they've played abroad, they've had different experiences. Trent is a young, well, I would say a young player, but obviously he's mid-twenties or whatever. His contracts are on out and he's a chance to try something completely different.

1:15:12Also, Royal Madrid. Yeah, of course. But obviously Liverpool fans will obviously think we're the biggest club in the world like Alcimor but I'm not saying you give the kid the thumbs up for leaving you but why would you go to a match and go I'm going to boo a lad who's played 260, 270 stats are fantastic to boo it you don't have to say yeah well good luck in Madrid you don't have to wish him luck but to make the effort to go I'm going to boo this kid who's a local lad and again Liverpool fans for some reason think they're like oh what kind of class we applaud goalkeepers years ago when they played well no Liverpool fans have to have a good look themselves a lot but sport should give lovely moments like Jordan Pickford went back to the stadium and like his son's got a half Everton half Sunderland strip on I'm like that's such a nice moment like I know some people I don't know I just think I just oh I don't know I think them full circle moments are lovely but I just think Trent didn't do it what did he do?

1:16:03I don't think he did anything around it and the beauty with Trent the last year too he's never said he's said very little but he's not he's not been a player for saying oh I'd love to stay here I'm going to stay he's actually kept his mouth shut and sometimes that's not a bad thing to say how many times do you hear about players going I love this club and then they'll leave he kept it cool by going I'm not going to give you too much silence I'm just going to continue to contribute to the truth hopefully you'll treat me with a class and dignity he'll probably get it when he's 50 or 60 it probably left a better team to go to a worse team it's another story do you know what's called it's just an experience for the kid to compare him to Sal and Van Dyke they've played in Europe they've moved clubs.

1:16:44He obviously said a club's the one club, but for a young player, I'm going to try something. That's amazing. He's trying to boo the kid. Bloody hell, don't have to chair a man, but don't be booing him. What have you got? Biggest surprise. Surprise? So far. In the league, are they? The player. Player, club, could be Sunderland, maybe? Well, of course, Sunderland. Or player. Sunderland are doing so well. Surprise, a club player. Club is definitely Sunderland, I would imagine. Sunderland. Player, big surprise, a player. You know what? Let's understand the rest of my whole bloody good. Arsenal have been...

1:17:15Arsenal, how many points clear now? Is it six, seven points clear? Yeah. Semenyo? That's a big... Is that a surprise? Is that a surprise? That's not a surprise. No. But how well he's doing again? Forrest Hunter, the third manager. That's a surprise. That's probably a good point. Not really. I think, you know what? We're mentioning Sunderland. I'd mention Xhaka. Yeah. Because he's come there, right? Yeah. He's gone there. He's got the right appetite, yeah. You know what I mean, Roy? He knows the Premier League. He's gone there to a club that's... They don't expect much, but they kind of just want what they want from the players.

1:17:48And for him to go and kind of be the heart of it and what he does, because he's that fiery cat. He's a driven guy. He's very much in the leadership groups. If you're playing for Sunderland, right? Perfect signing. And you turn up and you put a shift in. Sunderland fans are the best in the world. Yeah. Players put a shift in. The other night, they weren't great, particularly the first half. Everton should have been two or three in the loop. But if you dig in at Sunderland and you show up with a fight and... it's just the pressure that a player like Xhaka because they're signing him because they they have to get the one you know what I mean the one to go in there and be that controlling force he's done really well since his arse all day as well he went to Germany and won the league I liked him at Arsenal I thought he was a good player but obviously I did yeah did he ever run in with the fans or whatever yeah but I thought he was a good player I'm going to go Xhaka Granit I'm really pleased Xhaka in Sutherland yeah I would do there's other people that we're not mentioning but he just comes to mind.

1:18:41Is there a star of the future been spotted in the first three months? Max Dalman. Max Dalman came in again last night. Youngest player, isn't he, in the Champions League? You just see him on the ball, how he's trying to play, what he's trying to do. As long as they keep... I can't get my head around, he's 15. It's really crazy. You can't stop thinking about what he should be doing at 15 or what you would be doing at 15. I'm glad that he plays him because you look at Barcelona, I'm not comparing the two, but Barcelona are playing him kid. Look at Jamal, Lamin, Jamal. He played in the Euros at that age.

1:19:14You've got to find a way to make sure that you can monitor the way they play. But if they're good, play them. Because that's the only way you're going to get the experience. It's like even one year he's been there three and maybe three. That's a good time to play him at Arsenal. Play him. Play them. So as they can play. It's better to come into a good team. Yeah, exactly. So much easier. So I'm glad to see him come on. I'm not saying, oh, he's got to start every game. But I'd love to see him. If he can start in the Champions League, the youngest player in the Champions, and he can start he can like play games in the Premier League what about Martin going to the Celtics yeah they did it they beat him he's amazing have you spoken to him no text it was good though you see his face he was complaining about his tracksuit why are they so tight these tracksuits he's got energy Martin has an energy does he train does he do fits no I think he's got a decent lifestyle he doesn't have food in it.

1:20:08I thought he was a big drinker. He gets food. He is magnificent. He eats. He eats once a week. He's got beans on toast. What he eats. He doesn't go to box to box. He eats healthy. Which is lovely food. I had a lovely sandwich. Right, I think that's it. We're done? It's quick. Is that it? It's not quick. It's an hour and 20 minutes. Why are we clapping ourselves? That's like a full 90 minute game.

1:20:58We'll be right back.

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