Sir Kenny Dalglish: Liverpool, Advice for Wirtz & Starting at Celtic | Stick to Football EP 96

0:00Gary Neville: Just before we get started, a quick thanks to our partners and clothing. We hope you enjoy the show. We'll run back inside, darling, you know, here's what I'm here for. Do you know something I would go as far to say? It's probably the most famous, admired guest we've ever had on Stick to Football.

0:22Jill Scott: I like that.

0:23Gary Neville: And we had some good guests on.

0:25Jill Scott: I know, yeah.

0:26Gary Neville: what was the year that Liverpool won the title under Klopp was it 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 it was Covid wasn't it yeah it was won the Champions League 19 League 20 alright alright that's the Champions League that's your roll of honours

0:50Gary Neville: oh we're here do we like afternoon records better than the morning records no no You like the morning?

0:56Jamie Carragher: No, morning, get it out the way.

0:58Gary Neville: You get the same tops on.

0:59Sir Kenny Dalglish: I like afternoons.

1:00Gary Neville: No, mornings, Jim.

1:01Sir Kenny Dalglish: Oh, that's cute.

1:03Gary Neville: That is cute. You've both got the same tops on.

1:05Sir Kenny Dalglish: No, it's a bit different. He's got a bit of light green.

1:08Gary Neville: I was saying, is this the most famous, admired guest that we've had since we started doing Stick to Football? Probably. It'd be up there, yeah. I think so, yeah.

1:16Ian Wright: I don't think you'd get any bigger than this.

1:17Sir Kenny Dalglish: And I'm eating half a strawberry.

1:20Ian Wright: Here we go. You would be the option. You don't get any bigger than that. How you doing?

1:28Sir Kenny Dalglish: Hello, happy to meet you.

1:30Gary Neville: How you doing?

1:31Sir Kenny Dalglish: How you doing?

1:35Gary Neville: We were just debating whether you're the most famous, admired guest we've had since we started.

1:41Sir Kenny Dalglish: I wouldn't think I've got much competition. We all said yes.

1:46Gary Neville: We all agreed, we said yes.

1:49Sir Kenny Dalglish: Would you like a tea or anything?

1:50Gary Neville: I thought it was licensed. You went on something? I think that's... Can I have tea or coffee? Tea. Is this some milk, though? Is this some milk?

1:58Sir Kenny Dalglish: What tea is this?

1:59Gary Neville: Come on, Kieran. No, I'll drink tea, that.

2:01Jamie Carragher: I'll get the normal tea.

2:02Sir Kenny Dalglish: Could I get a pop of coffee, Kieran? You get your normal tea, Kieran. It's like decaf. Anos, please, Kimi.

2:06Jamie Carragher: Thank you.

2:07Sir Kenny Dalglish: Like English breakfast. Roy drinks decaf. Why do you drink decaf? Because I drink loads of tea. Sometimes I drink the decaf as... Does it keep you awake, the caffeine? No, not... Because I drink loads of it, I might as well drink teacaf. Yeah, OK, good point.

2:26Gary Neville: I like drinking, it sounds like it's mature to me.

2:28Sir Kenny Dalglish: Yeah.

2:29Gary Neville: Do you go to all the games? All Liverpool games?

2:31Jill Scott: No, no, no. I've beaten the most of them this year, but...

2:36Gary Neville: Yeah.

2:36Jill Scott: Six. I've had six games. Yeah. Some of them are awkward to get to. Yeah.

2:44Gary Neville: The away games, you mean?

2:45Jill Scott: Aye. Or getting in the grounds, you mean? Aye, getting to Palace. Palace has always been a problem. Tottenham. Tottenham. Yeah. Is everyone stopping No, it's no hard work but it's choker. Yeah. They get away if you're Tottenham. After the game, yeah, yeah. Some stadium but yeah. There's 60 ,000 people trying to get away.

3:04Jamie Carragher: Kenny, you're having this tea, yeah?

3:05Jill Scott: Aye, please.

3:06Ian Wright: Chill, no chance.

3:08Sir Kenny Dalglish: I know this is What's yours? This is the arm jacket.

3:11Ian Wright: It's really nice, I like it.

3:13Sir Kenny Dalglish: I think it's actually unisex. You could wear this. Yeah, nice. Yeah. It retails at.

3:21Gary Neville: The reason we've moved this to the afternoon is because he's just won an award in... Does Kenny know about your award in Bilbao? Say it properly. Say the team properly. Athletic Club.

3:30Jamie Carragher: I don't text Kenny every time I get an award.

3:34Sir Kenny Dalglish: You're texting him all the time.

3:37Gary Neville: If you did, he wouldn't be in on day in your text.

3:42Jamie Carragher: What was it? It was for a one-club man, so Athletic Club. it's Bilbao oh alright we're going to get in trouble and we were talking fondly of the games in 84 on the way to the European Cup wasn't it you played Bilbao or you played Rossi Scud yeah the winner over there yeah yeah the first game was 0-0 wasn't it I think at home yeah Rossi got the winner they were speaking because that's the famous team over there they won the league athletic club yeah in 83 and 84 keep seeing it yeah so Liverpool played them on the way Liverpool beat them in what the quarter final or I think it was yeah it wasn't the semi it was the quarter final yeah yeah right and won the European Cup right right

4:36he said it was

4:37Jill Scott: like the off here the manager's job I said Peter I've just signed for four years as a player yeah he said player manager I went why were you still getting changed in the no I get thrown out of there Beat them 10-0 in the first leg And Big Joke says We're putting you on I mean you're taking a chance Aren't you?

4:57Jamie Carragher: Van Dijk Or Hansen Have you not learnt Nothing over this last hour? You will never answer that Some of it's like

5:05Roy Keane: Royal Rovers stuff He puts himself in a team They want 11 out of 12 And win a double But that doesn't happen I used to call me my Everton kid

5:11Jamie Carragher: Yeah

5:12Roy Keane: Number nine

5:12Jamie Carragher: Oh my god You used to go to Liverpool Yeah she used to call me Sharper Yeah Because I was going to be Sharper The centre forward But I never won a ranger.

5:20Jill Scott: It's Celtic. No, don't. Kenny,

5:30Gary Neville: you've got a documentary out.

5:32Sir Kenny Dalglish: Have I?

5:35Gary Neville: You have, and we're going to watch a little bit. Let's have a look at it. We're going to watch a little bit of it. I'm going to hope we get this right. Here we go. I'm at Amazon Prime. My wife. It was a complete and utter fairy tale.

5:48Jill Scott: He's good in I see Yeah he's the one Who drank Maradona And the sinner Or you know Kenny Dalglish When I joined Liverpool I was just terrified

5:58Sir Kenny Dalglish: Do you think you're worth All that money?

6:00Jill Scott: I never paid it I don't know

6:01Jamie Carragher: We soon came to realise That this was a new era And he's killed it in And Dalglish Was integral to that

6:08Sir Kenny Dalglish: It's not just a club It was like a member Of the family

6:12Jill Scott: We knew it was The right place for us It was unbelievable The double belongs to Kenny now, East and Liverpool. But some things, the US did never harm them.

6:26Sir Kenny Dalglish: Hillsborough really, really hit Kenny.

6:29Jill Scott: And the myth of crowd violence was created at that moment.

6:36Gary Neville: When a community felt that Westminster and the police and the media were against them. I'm outraged.

6:44Jamie Carragher: One man stood up.

6:49Jamie Carragher: Everything that Kenny does is for the family. Life is more important than any job. And the family of Liverpool.

6:59Jill Scott: That was more than football. That was a bit of community.

7:10Wow.

7:11Sir Kenny Dalglish: Oh, that's amazing.

7:12Ian Wright: That's harrowing. Cool.

7:13Jill Scott: I thought it was a bit longer than that. LAUGHTER

7:21Ian Wright: Oh, gosh. What was that like? What was it like to have to sit down and get all that done?

7:26Jill Scott: No, it was like sitting here. I see for the mic, just to have a conversation. It wasn't people following you with cameras or anything. It was just pretty straightforward.

7:39Ian Wright: Wow. I was expecting a little bit more than that, but, like, I'll take that off you, King Kenny.

7:43Jill Scott: No, you need to buy it.

7:46Ian Wright: I'm going to buy it, don't worry, I'll be buying it.

7:48Gary Neville: Is that the first time you've done a documentary?

7:50Jill Scott: No, we did one before. It was called Kenny. I saw you that one as well. But the boys... Steve's got a good track record. He made Maradona's as well. Senna. Senna. And Amy Winehouse.

8:04Sir Kenny Dalglish: Oh, really?

8:05Jill Scott: He did her. Yes.

8:06Sir Kenny Dalglish: That was a brilliant one as well. Is there going to be a premiere? Can we get an invite? Roy, you'll put a suit on.

8:12Jill Scott: 23rd and 25th. So London and Liverpool, isn't it? Aye, London. Then Liverpool on the Saturday.

8:20Sir Kenny Dalglish: It enjoyed you and it was like getting stuff off your chest, no? Or is it just to...

8:23Jill Scott: It was... Doing this, it was just like me sitting and having a chat with him. And then he puts the voice onto the pictures. So it's easy to sit and talk to people in. It's harder when they're in front of you.

8:35Ian Wright: Did he show you pictures to, like... No, he just spoke through it. Everything. He's pretty good, isn't he? Aye, he's good.

8:44Jill Scott: It's a shame he signed me up.

8:47Jamie Carragher: The thing I love about things like that and your one, obviously Alex Ferguson's had certain documentaries in the past. I always think there's something special about Glasgow, about the football and where people come from and what it means. And it just feels like there's so many great managers, it feels like, have come from up there as well. I mean, your upbringing as a kid, it's a big part of the story as well. Is there something unique or certainly in that day and age in terms of producing great footballers or managers of the past?

9:19Jill Scott: No, I don't think it's unique. But I think we were fortunate, the way we were brought up. So when we moved from Glasgow to Liverpool, it was like moving into the next city. It was brilliant. The people in Liverpool were so alike, the Glaswegians. And for me, for a working sense and a footballing sense, And Chuck Steele, the success that he had and the education he had and the coaching and the time they had to coach us, the young boys, it was fantastic for us. And then you come here and you know Bob. He's probably the most successful manager in Britain. When you think six championships in nine years, that's some achievement.

10:04So if you want to play football as a living,

10:08Jill Scott: you can get a better opportunity in playing in both those places. Celtic, for me, are always of a special place because that's who brought us into football, took us forward, educated me and really helped us.

10:24Gary Neville: Kenny, we all look back at our childhoods and remember maybe moments. When you look back at your childhood, what do you remember that sort of made you the person that you are today? Your parents.

10:34Jill Scott: The parents make you what you are, don't they? I mean, even... We had an under-15 team and the guy packed it in just a couple of weeks before the end of the season but we were going to play in the cup final we'd already won the league and the last game of the season there was as I was in those days there was a wee bit of a fight in the showers so the boy that did it the boy that was fighting we went and he played the final the next week and my dad said he's no playing because my dad they said well you look after it because the guys packed it in. So my dad said, well, he's no playing. And I went, oh.

11:14Jill Scott: He says, oh, don't you want to play either? I went, oh, no, no, no. So it was the right way for him to react to me. But that was the only thing. He's one of your better players. But we won. So for me, the parents were a huge influence. Was your dad strict with you when you were younger? Just a bit. Just a wee bit. In what way? No, he was also encouraging. He'd take you to the matches and watch the games and you'd come back with a wee bit of grass about the side of your table, I think, in the back garden and have a kick about afterwards. So they cared. Your mother would sew the socks for the football team, the kids' team, and wash the strips.

12:01Jill Scott: He'd be turned up for the school games in the morning and in the afternoon when they played for the amateur team. he'd be there as well so the encouragement you got but by the way you knew the discipline as well came from within

12:16Jamie Carragher: Kenny what was this sorry you know the young kid you go to Celtic but you're a big Rangers fan weren't you my dad took me to Ibrox yeah how was that in terms of you know when Celtic come in for it your dad obviously must have been a big Rangers man himself was that ever a difficult decision

12:34Jill Scott: yeah it was well it was difficult for me played Celtic's apprentices we played them at the training ground we beat them 3-2 I was playing against them and they scored Jock's team was at the game Sean Farland, the old assistant manager, he was at the game and Big Jock said to the chap that ran the team fancy the wee guy the wee fat guy scored the goal he said but we understand he's got the high brooks and the guy said well he doesn't understand that so he came up to the house the next week and that was it done and my dad was there I mean it was just a normal household your dad would go to work come home and your mum had his dinner for him right and then he'd have a kip and then the door went and he's sleeping and I had a couple of pictures of Rangers players up on the wall I had to take them down when he was coming in

13:35Sir Kenny Dalglish: when did you realise that you're a special player because obviously you have managers wanting you but was there a moment maybe when you were younger that you thought I've got something special here

13:46Jill Scott: no I never thought myself I'd been special I just thought myself fortunate that I'm going to be given the opportunity to play at some level and if also at the same time when I was 16 and signed a provisional form for Celtic and they farmed you out to I suppose it's the equivalent of the National League here the juniors the semi-professionals to toughen you up a wee bit then when that was coming about it was it was for you to go and have a look right but there's no decision made about your future he's trained twice a week with Celtic at night so I started working as an apprentice joiner I'm glad Celtic signed me I wasn't

14:33Sir Kenny Dalglish: I wasn't very good Were you getting coaching Would people be coaching you Or would you just turn up With Celtic And it'd be just get on with it Or was it I'd be trained Yeah Would it be like Proper coaching Hands on Or would it be Just let you get on with it

14:45Jill Scott: Aye No they They would take A great principle The guy who used to take us When we went full time Was a guy called Willie Fernie And he was a fantastic player For Celtic In the old days and they used to come the first team obviously were in their dressing room, we were in their visiting dressing room and he'd open the door and he'd go right, and then shut the door and he'd been drawn out down the tunnel it's not like nowadays we'd be training pitches everywhere he'd run out the tunnel and we had to get out of the room and run after him and go round a lap and then say right get the goals out, so put the post in and that was us playing and his enthusiasm he loved football he loved playing he was a great dribbler that infected us but also big joke having the time to come out and say here come here you're going to play there you're going to play here this is what you've got to do it was fantastic they just won the European Cup in the minds they're spending time with us

15:50Sir Kenny Dalglish: but they weren't complicated were they? no it wasn't complicated aye

15:56Jill Scott: play in there but gave you one or two guidelines and you trained with the Lisbon Lions Jesus Christ you can't get any better than that you need to be you need to be blind not to see their benefits and they were so so normal

16:11Ian Wright: it wasn't true so what about do you see your play with your left foot and right foot because I don't know which one you're naturally right footed right sometimes sometimes but like what about that in respect so where did that come from he was just naturally good at kicking with both feet no problem

16:28Jill Scott: I don't think anything's natural it always comes from what you do when you're working and playing we used to play in the street we used to play on a Sunday one of the guys would get his dad was a plumber so he got the wee pipes and made a goal and somebody must have stole a goal net for something because they put a net over it as well and they used to have it on a Sunday and we'd go and play and your mum or dad said, what do you want for your Christmas? We all agreed that we'd ask for an Inter Milan shirt. So we all got the same shirt, so we had a strip for Christmas that we used to play. Then one of the boys, Ian Ross, he played for Liverpool, you might not know him, but he played for Liverpool.

17:13Jill Scott: He came from there and he was in the same area as I lived in and we used to play football together. so you're always playing people older than yourself and better than yourself probably so if you don't learn you're not going to go too far

17:29Gary Neville: How long were you doing the joinery for? A year I think Not enjoy that at all? Well I did do something How did that work? Because obviously it seems to be people who played in Scotland seem to also have another job at the same time but how did you do that? How did you combine that with football? It was called

17:47Jill Scott: provisional forms he signed you at 16 and he played for the junior team right so whilst you were going through that you only needed to train twice you could have gone in the ground staff but that was you painted you painted the crush barriers and cleaned people's boots and everything I went off I better go and be try and be a joiner so I got a job as an apprentice joiner and I did it for a year and then it was I just thought it was a fallback if you're not going to get signed up you're somewhere else to go

18:22Jamie Carragher: like Hubert Management

18:29Gary Neville: moving on this episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing you said you had loads of encouragement in your childhood but what were the lessons what were the things that you remember where it was tough for you where you thought you know getting left out or maybe not getting big jokes

18:48Jill Scott: big joke was brilliant at saying you've got to concentrate on what you do but you've got to have an appreciation like so say he put me to centre back because I gave away a couple of balls in the middle of the pitch and he said that will help you to understand what the guy in front of you right what you're doing to him if you play in midfield you give it away you're putting him in trouble so go and play there and see how good it feels I went, I hope he's and then he said alright, move back up into midfield and hit another one square he went, get back so I never hit many square passes after that

19:30Gary Neville: A lot of the guests we've had on this show have ended up back in defence but started as a striker but then they've not been good enough and they've ended up going back the pitch all the way through but you obviously ended up in the absolute prime position, did you always play in that position where you ended up up top?

19:44Jill Scott: No

19:48Jill Scott: I was starting further up but when we went to school and with the school team they put somebody at the back I was at the back but you weren't a defender somebody else got hauled back to defend

20:03Jill Scott: Celtic, big joke would move you around the reserve team to give you an understanding as I said about what's happening with the people in the position that you normally play so I just you play in it and it's an education for you as well if you pick it up and for me that was that's the best thing you could get a great education

20:26Gary Neville: Would you say Jock was the biggest influence on you? No I'd say my dad was Your dad was?

20:31Jill Scott: Aye he took us he took the time and effort to take you out and we weren't a rich family you got a pair of boots there used to be Adidas and Puma. We couldn't afford them. So the cooperative used to have boots and it was called the St Crispin Wing. Like, Puma goes that way, doesn't it? Yeah. Well, St Crispin Wing.

21:00Gary Neville: That's from the co-op,

21:01Jill Scott: was it? That's from the co-op. And then there was another one, Timpsons. Yeah, Timpsons. I did this with the three stripes. Yeah. Timpsons had four. And it was Bobby Charlton's signature on it. And we got a pair of them.

21:15Ian Wright: What was the first major boots that you got? Puma. Puma. Was it Puma King? I don't know. Agri Silver, was it?

21:23Jamie Carragher: Remember them?

21:24Jill Scott: I know, right. We went down to West Ham when we were 15. And we trained during the week. And they came up and they said, look, we want to send the scout up to your mum's house. and we want to sign you. I said, all right. But he said, there's a pair of boots in there. Go and have a word with the kit man. He'll give you a pair of boots. And that was the first time I had a pair of tumour boots. Every night I was like that. How old are you there? 15, 16.

22:00Jamie Carragher: Was it true, Kenny, I think I've seen on maybe a documentary or something before that you actually did go to Liverpool. You were 15 or 16, yeah, on a trial, yeah.

22:08Jill Scott: They put us up in the YMCA. he said it would be fun

22:16Sir Kenny Dalglish: and was it?

22:19Jill Scott: they put us up myself and two or three other boys came down and you used to get adverts in the Echo like Liverpool trials right such and such a night I never answered them but they asked us down and went down to play and then they said Shanks gave us a lift back to the hotel that night and say they want to sign you I thought it was a wee bit far didn't it yeah so the guy came up to the house but I couldn't so but there's for me Liverpool West Ham were very similar very very similar the way that West Ham was always nowhere it is now but it was the old ground yeah and they've got the pub next door yeah yeah It was brilliant.

23:09Jill Scott: Every Friday they just went to the cafe around the corner for the... Pine mash. Aye, or whatever it is they ate. So that was twice and I thought, I'd better start off as an apprentice, something. I might not make it as football. But then Celtic came in and that was me.

23:28Gary Neville: So you turned down Liverpool then at that time?

23:30Jill Scott: Well, no, because of anything other than the distance. Between there and Glasgow. Or just leaving home and leaving your parents? Just coming down.

23:38Sir Kenny Dalglish: And you were only young as well, so it would have been a big distance, maybe. Who was your hero as a young kid around that time?

23:47Jill Scott: Dennis Law, I think. Was it Dennis? It would be everybody's eye.

23:50Gary Neville: Yeah.

23:51Jill Scott: He'd never get much television. He was in Italy playing as well. And then he scored against England at Hampden. So obviously he's going to be your favourite. Yeah.

24:04Gary Neville: and then what happens when you go to Celtic and you start playing in the first team when's that big moment come that break well

24:11Jill Scott: my debut was actually second leg of a game they played a team called Hamilton Aquies and they beat them 10-0 in the first leg so they've got a second leg to play and I was sub I was only 17 or 18 I was sub and they were four in a lap at half time and Big Joke says we're putting you on I went you're taking a chance, ain't you?

24:36Jill Scott: 14-0 up. And that was it. We're just training with the Lisbon Lions. Yeah. It was brilliant for all of us.

24:46Gary Neville: Were you confident back then in terms of a young player? Were you confident? No. If somebody spoke to me I went bright red. Would you? Oh, aye.

24:55Jill Scott: You just don't know why.

24:58Sir Kenny Dalglish: Or just shy?

24:59Jill Scott: Aye, maybe shy.

25:00Sir Kenny Dalglish: Yeah. And was the expectation then? in Celtic to win every week the demands were we were only in the reserves right but when you got when you got back involved when you kind of started getting the first team the expectation was there like it is now obviously

25:11Jill Scott: it's always been the same it's not been any different always been the same and you were fine with that even as a young player you just thought it's part of the gig obviously we had a good start we had a good start but they were I mean the first game we got was the old firm game really for the big game for myself 19 or 20 and we won 1-0 and we got a penalty kick and Billy McNeill who was the captain came up and went he grabbed me and went you take it I went I cannae repeat it right he went oh and you take it he says he took them for the reserves I said Billy there's more photographers here than what we're at the reserve game he said no but you take it oh my Jesus so I was a bit nervous but I walked up obviously as you see my dad told me he watched Rangers a wee bit so the goalkeeper always went the same way for any penalty I saw if they ever get a penalty against him and I'm saying oh please please just go this way so I get up I put the ball down the stalk and I tied my lace it wasn't even loose I tied it right and I like that and the ball ran behind the pitch and I ran up and I slotted it to his left and he did what he normally did so that was me if I missed that I wouldn't have been here

26:38Jamie Carragher: Kenny it's funny you say that because you think about all the things you've done in your career but I never pictured you as a penalty taker you know for sort of maybe Liverpool did you take a lot of penalties in your career or was it something you sort of shied away from? For the reserves No but in terms of when you got to the first team at Celtic or later on with Liverpool I can't picture you taking too many

26:56Jill Scott: No I never No? No but we got I was down to take one in the last game I played a for Celtic well a meaningful game the other one was a pre-season but this we played Rangers in the final and we got a Dubois penalty it was Dubois it was Aaron was there but it hit him in the thigh but we still took it so I've picked the ball because I'm the captain I'm to take the penalty and the left back came running up and the lunch he went Kenny, Kenny he says I'll take it I said here you go

27:33Jill Scott: he slotted it we won Warnnell but he shouldn't he shouldn't have done it yeah yeah because that well as soon as somebody comes and we'd come up and do that you go oh wait a minute here and you gave him the ball without argument aye well I thought it'd be playing in my mind it'd be playing in your mind if somebody come up and you're saying well what am I doing here

27:56Gary Neville: well is it not You're the captain. You are who you are. And he must be ballsy from him to come up to you and take it off you.

28:03Jill Scott: No, he's quite right if he feels confident. The fact that's what he feels like. He's lost you. Don't be too harsh on him.

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28:41Jamie Carragher: I've seen little bits of the documentary and that and it's fantastic, but you're sort of, your connection with Celtic and Liverpool and leaving of Celtic, was that just watching is there something to do with a little bit about the European Cup as well I think in it you're talking about I think you come close in the semi-final and you feel you're not quite going to get over the line with Celtic in terms of winning that was that a difficult decision to make and also with Jock Steen still being the manager was it difficult for him to let you go

29:14Jill Scott: two years before I left I'd said to him that I was wanting to go then he'd almost get killed in a car crash and I said to Marina I said we can't do this that's no right for what he's done for me I can't do it I can't do it and leave Celtic when he's in big trouble and the assistant manager took over so the first season he was out for nearly the whole season and then when he came back in I said to him I still feel the same I still want to go so that was it by the way it was a horrendous decision for me to make really we've just we're married like Kelly would be a year and a half Paul would be six months if it had just been Paul would have left him there a bit better

30:15Jill Scott: it was a big big decision to come down with the family the whole lot that's why settling in what we did at the Holiday Inn which is now Lewis's I think was brilliant it was brilliant people were so helpful happy take the kids one of them ended up being the babysitter and the guy that ran it Jack Ferguson was a paler between his dad so it was like home alone it was like Glasgow with a different accent

30:43Gary Neville: did anybody else come in for you at that time? I don't know

30:48Jill Scott: I wouldn't have gone anywhere else well Well, if it was the only one, maybe I would have. But my first choice would have been Liverpool. And to know I've gone there when I was 15, I was a lucky, lucky man to get asked again.

31:02Gary Neville: The fee, I'm just reading the fee here, it's a transfer record, 440 ,000. But 10 % of that's fat. That's probably going to translate today to well over 100 million. That's like a huge amount of money at that time, isn't it?

31:18Jill Scott: I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't be looking back anyway, but still I wanted to go. Did you feel any pressure when you went, nothing at all?

31:28Ian Wright: Because it was like, obviously, Kevin Keegan just left when you was coming in. You never felt no pressure because obviously what Kevin Keegan was at the time. You can only be yourself, can you?

31:39Jill Scott: It's not as if you've got an equity card, does it? You can't be an actor. Just be yourself.

31:44Ian Wright: You've got a better chance of succeeding. So it seemed like it worked out really well then because obviously Kevin Keegan wanted to leave and then they got you. It's unbelievable. Yeah, well, they were just unlucky. But...

31:58Sir Kenny Dalglish: Would you think it was going to be a lot harder, obviously, at Liverpool? The league would be more demanding, no?

32:04Jill Scott: No, I just wanted to go and try it. If I wasn't any good, then you might get back to Scotland, you don't know. But no, I wasn't under pressure. And when we went in training, the first days we're training the boys are all really up for having a great season and they just won I think they won the league as well didn't they and the European Cup and I'm going oh this will do me this will do me it's hungry it's what they were I mean before they won it so it was great for me

32:37Jamie Carragher: You mentioned the simplicity before of Celtic and the training and Jock Steen was it similar was there anything different when you went to sort of Liverpool that book room philosophy

32:47Jill Scott: well in the years where we were at Liverpool they kept saying Liverpool secret I don't know where it was and if they did it they wouldn't tell anybody would they but they said that all they do is play five a side no it was structured it was structured and you've seen you know yourself the books that they used to have with the day to day report and training who trained the weather the whole lot I mean they were so far ahead of their time it wasn't true the only difference it was written down it wasn't technology

33:19Ian Wright: so where's that come from where people kept at all yeah it's not exaggerated

33:21Jill Scott: the boot room people used to say we never used to train at all

33:24Ian Wright: we used to just go out and just play five a side was that part of the whole ruse to like tell people no you're not structured because you know Barnes I remember speaking to John Barnes John Barnes said no we just we just train we're just five a side all the time

33:36Jill Scott: yeah but it was conditioned five a side and I mean it was that and it got less important the closer it got to the game but it was still effective and say like Rush A going like 10 minutes without scoring in a match they put the big goals in oh no just so you go and then they do the opposite for the goalkeeper if he'd been having a bad time they make the goal smaller no it's all psychology isn't it it's brilliant they were brilliant

34:14Jamie Carragher: them training games you're talking about because I cast myself as very lucky really in that my last year or so my first year as a player at the club was what you might class as the boot room Ronnie Moran's still the coach Roy Evans is still the manager and I think what Kenny's talking about there you think of people talking now about pressing high or back fours pushing up and when you're talking about conditions in the game when I started training with the first team it was like first man has to close now you could be 20 yards away and someone's got the ball. And normally in a game, you wouldn't close, but it was like, no, we're trying to get it into your head about pressing from the front, obviously yourself and Rushy.

34:52Jamie Carragher: And there was things in the five-a-side where if everybody wasn't in one half, the goal didn't count. So you talk about pushing up as a back four. Being compact. So that's what I think, Kenny, you're talking about. The conditions, it's like, it's not just five-a-side and people are messing about. It's like, no, there's conditions in it that you're then taking to the game. So pressing from the front, pushing up from the back, like, you know, Hanson and Lawrence. Don't tell them to, you know.

35:13Jill Scott: Too many secrets.

35:15Ian Wright: George Graham, all George Graham used to talk about to me is closing down, Liverpool's closing down. Ian Rush closed down a whole back four and, you know, the pressing. The pressing was, you didn't realise it. It's from back then, the pressing. Liverpool telling everybody, no, we don't train, we just train five a side, but it's all structured.

35:34Sir Kenny Dalglish: Did I read somewhere that you used to do it on the morning, like, say you were playing on a Tuesday, would you do training on the morning?

35:40Jill Scott: on the day of the game yeah but nothing nothing intense just to get the cobwebs

35:50Sir Kenny Dalglish: washed away

35:51Jill Scott: and then you go back to the ground go on the bus go down for your lunch and the holiday inn and then have a kip in the afternoon and play at night wow

36:02Gary Neville: that's amazing we were talking before about we were talking about robustness and players being rested how many times were you rested?

36:10Jill Scott: no

36:11Gary Neville: I might have been arrested.

36:17Jill Scott: No rest. Just play. I don't remember any of the players getting left out because of the number of games. But you go to Bear in mind also, they never had the squad, the depth of squad that they have nowadays. Was it one sub then? Well, there wouldn't be any subs, they start with. Yeah, and then go into one. but you don't have the same depth a player I think now if they've got that much they seem to frown on being asked to play like for the 21s or something or the reserves as we ignore them but why you're doing them a favour you're doing them a favour have a game and then if you do get thrown in you'll be alright you'll be up to speed and they don't they seem to think it's an insult that they're asked to play

37:06Gary Neville: but you're winning European Cups you're winning all the trophies you're winning the leagues and you're playing obviously Saturday Wednesday Saturday it's almost as if injuries didn't exist as much back then I don't know why that is but I don't feel like you would have how many games would you have missed with injury over the term of your career

37:24Jill Scott: I don't know were you many I never I got one injury that kept me smashed that but your eye

37:33Jamie Carragher: keep going who's it

37:35Jill Scott: United who did your eye Kevin Moran Kevin

37:39Ian Wright: what was it was it

37:41Jill Scott: no no accidentally Kevin was cut to shreds we had it all in the games yeah so it was just after half time he came up and I don't know why I headed it anyway I went to flick it on and he must have he desired him up like that to protect himself he never it wasn't that it was that to protect himself fuck's it that's slow

38:03Ian Wright: that's slow

38:05Sir Kenny Dalglish: you're on about the message but there's a sign up at Celtic and a jockstein that said if the players work hard morning to Friday and you can have Saturdays off to play football. Is that what I was just saying? Yeah, it's a great saying. Yeah, I like that. I like that.

38:16Jill Scott: You get a Saturday off. I never saw that.

38:21Jill Scott: That must have been able to edit your comment out.

38:27Sir Kenny Dalglish: I like that one.

38:28Jill Scott: That's good. But that's the message, isn't it? It's up to yourself. I think it's...

38:35Ian Wright: It's a great team as well, like the boys, like Alan Hansen and all the guys that was there. Rushy was just like... I've never seen anyone finish like that.

38:46Jill Scott: You've played in successful teams yourselves, right? Do you know what I think it's really... Part and parcel of success is the relationship in the dressing room. Isn't it? Yeah. For me, that's... You go a long way to help somebody. right if you're all getting on and everybody's level and do the same if somebody makes a mistake come on whereas now they're happy for somebody to make a mistake because you're not getting their blame I think it's

39:16Sir Kenny Dalglish: Would you just sit around like back in the old like we did and you sit around and have a cup of tea before a train a few biscuits when you think of the game has changed now with mobile phones and dress rooms I think that has gone out can I mean people engage in each other has it yeah it definitely has

39:28Jill Scott: I mean I know mobile phones have paid that made it difficult for players they'd let you go and enjoy themselves and have a drink they'd be plastered all over somewhere whereas when we were playing they could have a drink they could have a drink but they still produced results yeah they've got to have some relaxation I think

39:50Gary Neville: who would be the real leader in that dressing room that you were in in that great side and you may have had many leaders but who was the one Celtic I love it yeah you obviously would I was only a boy I never did Yeah, but who was the great leader when you walked in? Yeah. But when you walked in, who was the great leader? Who was the one that everyone was looking up to?

40:07Jill Scott: Liverpool or Everton? Yeah, Liverpool. Liverpool. Or Everton. Liverpool. No, there was... Well, when I went in at first, it was Smitty was in there. Right? But they still had a great relationship. I mean, some people never got on. Which if they didn't, they got on. They'd have a word with each other. Yeah. But there was nothing disastrous. Was Emily Hughes still there with you? Emily Hughes was there. Smitty Emlyn Clem Craig Clemens so like Tomo boys that were born and brought up there so they knew what the core of the place was and the friendship they get Cameradry was brilliant yeah and I think I don't know but for me I thought it was it was good there's a lot of foreign boys coming in but that doesn't mean to say that you can't have a good relationship yeah yeah

41:00Gary Neville: who's the best player that you ever played with at Liverpool the player that you looked at and thought he's the most important oh the best one

41:07Jill Scott: for me was Rushy yeah it saved me a lot of running yeah honestly oh no Rushy was Rushy was for my position if I was playing somewhere else I might have picked out Sunis or somebody else I don't know but I don't think somebody says well who's the best player what day is it what game are you talking about everybody plays a part and if you start thinking there's somebody better than yourself or whatever there's going to be trouble and that's why we never had that in the dressing rooms we were all together and when somebody scored they celebrated it

41:49Jamie Carragher: that's the thing Kenny I was probably too young to fully appreciate you as a player but the game that's just come to my mind, the first time I ever seen you play live, you scored after 20 seconds. Goodison. Goodison, yeah. I remember. 3-2, Liverpool won that game. You crossed the game anyway. No, I was at the time, yeah, yeah. He handled it. I think Liverpool went 3-0 up. Gladys 3-0. Yeah, it was, yeah. Liverpool 3-0 up at half time and then everything came back, Lineker was playing and stuff like that. But what I wanted to mention is, we've been talking about the Ballon d 'Or and different things and people talk about individual awards I think if I'm picturing you on the clips that I've seen and videos in the odd game here and there is your face and smile when somebody else scores and you might think that's normal but I don't think that probably is the norm for some of the best players in the world who sometimes I think it's a little bit maybe about themselves they want to be the guy who scores you just mentioned Rushy there you go from being the guy who comes in originally he plays Kevin Keane you're getting 25-30 goals a season then you're more the creator Rushy the goals but your face when somebody else scores I think that probably speaks to me of why that Liverpool team was arguably the most successful English team probably the only team that dominated Europe for a long period of time but the best players in the team are team players not individual players

43:25Jill Scott: I think it depends what game you talk about if you ask who's the best player everybody's got their part to play and their role to play you can't do yours without the help of somebody else I couldn't do mine if they're hitting balls that leads me up at this height what am I going to do I'm not going to win too many headers especially after Kevin Baran's done that

43:46Sir Kenny Dalglish: so you play

43:47Jill Scott: to the people's strength you help each other and you play for and with each other and people are different favourites in different teams or whatever it doesn't matter as long as you don't have that in the pitch you've got a far better chance of being successful and especially when they can all play

44:10Sir Kenny Dalglish: you had good battles with Forest Forest were good you had good battles with them as well wasn't it fantastic

44:15Jill Scott: I'd be lost a couple of them John Robertson did some

44:20Sir Kenny Dalglish: brilliant players didn't he

44:21Jill Scott: no they were brilliant Why? Because they all played for each other. Taylor at work with Cluffy was brilliant. They were all one for all, all for one. They only lasted about three or four years, didn't they? But they were good at the games, good at what they had.

44:41Sir Kenny Dalglish: You say you were shy when you were younger, but you look so confident on the pitch. I was watching clips, so many goals from 30 yards out. I know there aren't many.

44:50Jill Scott: there was a lot that'd be one

44:53Sir Kenny Dalglish: but did you feel a different confidence when you stepped on the pitch compared to maybe off it no

45:01Jill Scott: I was going on somewhere where I felt comfortable right I just felt comfortable and most of the time I bet you played more bad games than good games but as long as you were successful at some stage it was okay for me I just wanted to play and be part of a successful full time I mean coming from Celtic to Liverpool one of the most important things that drove me to ask to move was success in Europe and we got to a semi-final we could beat Atletico Madrid and we got to another one where we could beat I can't remember who beat us in a cup winner's cup and that's as close as we got and for me I always wanted to have a winner's trophy go on a tour of the city on the bus you couldn't do that in Glasgow you weren't allowed for obvious reasons but as I say for me I was just happy with the earnings I had but I just wanted to improve it a wee bit I wouldn't have been where I was if it hadn't been for Celtic Football Club

46:09Gary Neville: Kenny what was that first conversation like when this talked to you about being the manager, the player manager

46:17Jill Scott: well I was in the house on a Sunday and you never had mobiles the phone goes it's Peter Robinson and I went aye Peter and I'm thinking what's he phoning me for I've just signed for four years I mean I was they offered me a four year contract and I said Peter have you looked at my birth certificate I said I'm 33 therefore he went no no it doesn't matter I said no Peter just give me the thing I'll sign it he said no no he said we'll get it drawn up probably I said Peter I'm 33 he went just a reward for what you've done for the club and everything so I went alright so a few months later a lot of months later I get the phone call it's Peter and I went oh I'm going to chop this contract I'm going to get thrown out here he said oh the Gemini have had a word he says we'd like to offer you the manager's job I went what?

47:22Jill Scott: he said I'd like to offer you the manager's job I said Peter I've just signed for four years as a player yeah he said player manager I went why? what have I done? why? he said no we want to offer you I went oh ok he said well we'll have a thing we'll have a word later on so I went Jesus Christ so I said to Marina and I said, they've just offered me the managerial. She went, no, they've not. They have. So I phoned my dad, I phoned Marina's dad. I said, where do I go for here? So they both said the same thing. If they think you're good enough, have a go. So I went back, I said, well, look, we'll have a go.

48:08I said, but if I'm garbage,

48:11Jill Scott: I want my playing contract to still kick in, still be there you can have whatever you want I went alright so she said me I'm coming out of the dressing room the next year and they're the boys I love the banter in the dressing room the humour and everything else and I'm having to make decisions that's hurting them because you know they all want to play and I'm going this is murder but you have to make it were you still getting changed in the no I get thrown

48:41Gary Neville: out of there I was thrown out of there So you were in the manager's office straight away?

48:46Jill Scott: Aye.

48:47Gary Neville: Yeah. How hard was that for you in terms of, you've talked about picking them and leaving them out, but about actually yourself as well and when to pick yourself and how difficult was that?

48:57Jill Scott: It wasn't difficult really, because even if you're standing there watching the game, you get yourself drained a wee bit. And if you make yourself sub, more often than not, you're not going to be 100 % when you go on. So I'm saying to Ronnie and Roy, I can't really I don't feel as if I'd be doing the right thing being sub but there was a great people great people around about us pardon me Bob Paisley he got an office upstairs right so old Bob if anybody come in their phone is up and they're having a conversation with them about players or whatever they'd always say I'll come back to you hold on I said I'll just go but I'll come back to you put the phone straight upstairs what would you think

49:43Gary Neville: was he an advisor at the club at that time or was

49:45Jill Scott: it was quite the way he was there he used to come and say Kenny do you mind if I go and have a word with Rushie or do you mind I said Bob Jesus you can have a word with whoever you want he was so humble right and respectful in whoever was going no me as a person really I think that position of manager he was so respectful and helpful it wasn't true Ronnie Moran Roy Evans brilliant and sometimes when somebody gets appointed there's a bit of in-house fighting isn't there brand new and all by Tom Saunders he was a first youth development officer in England I said Tom will you come into the office I said what do you mean we'll put your desk in there my desk will be there I said so he's sitting there and he was really clever he used to do the Times crossword so that's and I'd go and watch games with him and he's teaching me how to watch games and it was brilliant the collective involvement for everybody and the support they gave me was unbelievable Kenny

50:59Jamie Carragher: you mentioned then about finding it difficult to be a sub in terms of you know on the side of the pitch watching the game I think late in the season, I think Paul Walsh gets injured doesn't he? You get yourself you pick yourself as such and I think that makes a big difference in terms of Liverpool winning the double and Everton missing out.

51:20Jill Scott: Walsh did brilliant for his rank, he scored about 19 or something up until the turn of the year and he go to the

51:26Jamie Carragher: injury against Everton. You know when you're the manager and you've played first half how does that work at half time? Would that be left then to Ronnie and Roy to do the sort of team talk? How would that way? Well you just go to the mirror and have a word with yourself.

51:45It's

51:45Sir Kenny Dalglish: difficult. Could players have a go at you? If you were like giving the ball away would blads go liven up? I don't know, it never happened.

51:56Jamie Carragher: I'm saying nothing.

51:58Jill Scott: I don't know. I don't know if they wanted to have a go or no but it's not really a place to have a go. If they want to have a go come in on Monday morning into your office. but no obviously it's worse and you feel it worse and you would well you've had an experience of it as well you feel it if you're a manager and you're asking somebody to do something and you can't do it yourself what happens fortunately I wasn't a defender but so no there was no it was the hardest part of me was going to somebody and saying sorry I'm leaving you

52:35Gary Neville: what was the hardest decision you made in that first 12 months where you were leaving someone out what was one that you were afterwards

52:41Jill Scott: when Aldo came back and we had a great team and then Roshi was coming back and I went fucking Jesus Aldo's been brilliant for us but I felt if Roshi's coming back he's better with us than against us so you had a decision like that and in the last in Aldo's last game it was I think it was Crystal Palace. I remember it. 9-0. And we get a penalty. And Alder's on the bench. And I went, get your gear on. Get your boots on. Go and take the penalty. Right. I don't know what we were wanting. We were wanting easy. And he's fighting to get his boots and tie them up. And I'm going, wait, wait. And he ran on at the cop.

53:26Jill Scott: He slotted it. Yeah. And the whole place went up. Yeah. And that was, I mean, I felt bad about doing that. because I know how much the club meant to him as it did to a lot of people but maybe a wee bit more special for him because he was a local boy and to give him the opportunity to say bye bye like that I thought it was only right and people say well it shouldn't matter who takes the penalties if you want but we're about five or six up we're not going to lose are we? I remember it well

53:55Sir Kenny Dalglish: Did it mean more winning the trophies as player manager or when you were playing was it a different feeling?

54:02Jill Scott: No really the feeling was that a wee bit insular, isn't it? Because you don't get to join in with the players. You get that? Oh, no, I can never drink, but... You get that, don't you?

54:17Ian Wright: They want to go and enjoy themselves. What was it like? Because I know that you're a banter king, so you had to go from all of a sudden you're in there with the guys bantering and everything and then you're outside of that. How'd you deal with that? It's just got to deal with it.

54:31Jill Scott: Yeah? It's just got to. I mean, Big Hanson said it was the worst team 85-86, the worst Liverpool team ever and we won they're living out of their last 12 games and won the league so I don't know how you get a job as a pundit We do

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54:56Jamie Carragher: I know you don't like speaking about individual players and things like that But when I think of the team that you built after that, especially Barnes, who, I mean, I trained for him for 12 months or so, I mean, still probably the greatest player I've ever trained with on a daily basis. Even though the Liverpool teams that you played in, you know, conquer Europe, Barnes just seemed to add something probably a little bit different. I mean, what was that like when you brought him in? because it was a controversial move at the time. We'd been in England for a few years, lots of teams had looked at him, weren't quite sure.

55:35Jamie Carragher: How much was it, was it?

55:36Ian Wright: £900.

55:36Jamie Carragher: £900, wasn't it?

55:37Jill Scott: Yeah. There was a story appeared in the paper, something about he said he wanted to go to Arsenal, and he phoned Peter Robinson up to say he never said that. So Peter's on the phone to me. I said, oh, that's good. I said, tell him to come up on Friday, we'll meet him. so he comes up on the Friday and he signed on the Saturday morning if you want to apologise here so

56:07Jill Scott: no he was he was brilliant for a few years man wow what a job he gave you as well you know like chasing back you get a little bit of winger and you think well they're not going to do much defensively but he did everything

56:25Jamie Carragher: I think he played maybe the last season he won the title I think it was 1999 I think he played a lot up front he could play anywhere Barnes

56:33Gary Neville: in the midfield anywhere do you know watching him and watching Liverpool that time from a United perspective it was demoralising you know seeing John Barnes play for Liverpool around that time it was demoralising you just thought that we're nowhere near them absolutely nowhere near them

56:49Jamie Carragher: I always describe more people associate think of the Premier Premier League it was like Thierry Henry in the Premier League that's what John Barnes was in the sort of three or four years that like wasn't it

56:59Jill Scott: but that's where Aldo was really important because John Barnes and me Peter and Ray Houghton right they could all perform away for the goal but we needed somebody up there and Aldo that was his domain and he was that season he had for us was

57:20Jamie Carragher: unbelievable Kenny can I ask you You mentioned at the very start, you were talking about Jock Steen, I think sort of senior playing an under-15 game and brings you in. And you sort of think then of the manager of Celtics watching the young boys playing. And you used to talk a lot about Alex Ferguson and doing the same. But, Kerry, when you were the manager, I was in the School of Excellence. And he's the manager of Liverpool. Liverpool are the best team in the country. And you used to come and watch us train. And obviously, Paul was playing with us and that. so that thing of sort of being across everything you know you were doing that when you were the Liverpool manager you know we were like the bosses of Kenny's here you know the little five of sides in Lidlund wasn't it in the year the five of side the school yeah that always just sort of sticks with me and was that sort of like a big thing for you management wise in terms of keeping abreast of everything that was going on at the club with the young kids

58:14Jill Scott: when I was in the management thing I used to love going down to watch the kids in the academy the first time I was there and obviously the same time they did it as well. To go down, it's relaxation for you. And you're sitting, you're watching the kids and their smiles on their faces and they're bombing about. And I just really enjoyed seeing them enjoying themselves. I wasn't there to make notes on what the coach was doing. I was just doing to see they boys enjoying themselves and make sure that they were happy enough in what they were doing. and for me it was as much for my benefit as it was for anybody else if they go to benefit then fine and what was the nickname

58:59Jamie Carragher: you gave me?

59:02Jill Scott: Sharpie Sharpie Sharpie Sharpie Sharpie he thought he was a centre forward I used to call me everything kid number nine oh god

59:12Ian Wright: he's gone to Liverpool he's gone to Liverpool he's gone to Liverpool he's gone to Liverpool yes he used to call me Sharpie because I was ground sharp with a centre forward didn't someone say listen you've got to stop wearing that at some point I mean it was the only tip he had he didn't have kits no you didn't say that

59:24Jill Scott: no if that's who they support I mean I never wore a I never wore a ranger at Celtic no don't

59:38Sir Kenny Dalglish: was Jamie a good forward

59:40Jill Scott: at that time centre forward yeah well as Gary said earlier they start off up front and then

59:50Gary Neville: Kenny what you achieved on the pitch I've been watching that trailer there it was spine tingling listening obviously to people talking about Hillsborough and they said that obviously the impact it had on your life can you just talk to us about that obviously what you did at the time I don't think was maybe fully recognised until you get 10-15 years later and the impact of what you did off the pitch will always be probably like measured above what you achieved on the pitch which was absolutely everything well

1:00:15Jill Scott: the most important thing was that we we were there for the people who were treated as poorly as they were and for us that's all we can do Peter Robinson phoned us up at home on the Sunday and he said they've decided to open the gates at Anfield the people are coming up and there's nowhere for them to go they don't know what to do so he opened the gates and let them come in and wander around the pitch and I said but we've got to get together and make sure we can get, we'll get the boys involved and we'll go and do as best we can. And when you think, for everything they did for us, this was our chance.

1:00:56Jill Scott: This was our turn to be the supporter. They supported us when we were in trouble. If we needed a G-op, if we're playing badly, they were the ones that gave us it. So we were the ones that had to go and give them some support. They deserved it. It should never, ever have happened. and there's a lot of people told a lot of lies about it as well so as long as we did what we thought was right we were doing the right thing but you'd never ever want anybody to go through that and we weren't the worst the families were the ones that were worse the ones that lost somebody so no it was it was sad but the most important thing is a really really happy ending then we won the trophy.

1:01:43Jill Scott: All right, Arsenal beat us in the league. There's Everly Soar, they scored more goals than us or something. But by the way, if we'd have picked a trophy that year that we wanted to win, it would have been the Cup. Because that had much it meant to them.

1:01:56Gary Neville: And what about the impact it's had on you around that time?

1:02:00Jill Scott: Well, you get a bit at the beginning, but you still get a wee bit emotional when the stories come up and you see the faces. The families, but by the way, we weren't as bad. And when you see the clip in the tunnel, Paul was at the game as well, but he was sitting right across for us. And we had to make sure, I'm trying to make sure that he's not involved in any of this. So that was a relief for us as well. We were one of the lucky ones.

1:02:36Gary Neville: And you get to the end of your sort of, I actually remember the day that, you left Liverpool as a manager and I was actually at school and thinking of the impact that that would have on the club, this success that had occurred for the long period of time and you, the impact that you'd had on the club. What was that like for you

1:02:56Jill Scott: leaving at that time? No, I think I said in the press conference. It was the first time I made the decision that was more important to Kenny Dalglish than it was Liverpool Football Club. So, for me, I wasn't doing the right thing, Bryce, then. I couldn't provide what the club needed as a manager

1:03:15Gary Neville: Why was that? Because you had provided what they needed as a manager you were quite clearly a great manager

1:03:20Jill Scott: No, no, but then you get the comeback as well so for me I said look it was right after the 4-4 game at Goodison and I was sitting there and I said to Ronnie and Roy I said oh I think we were always in front and I think we go in we go two in front and I said right we'll get some we'll put we'll just put five at the back we'll get two goals and they went oh I don't know and I went oh okay and then I went you've made the right decision that afternoon when we went for a kip before the game I said this is you finished and when that yeah and when that happened when I couldn't make the decision I know I asked them for advice but when I can't make the decision I'm not serving the club properly

1:04:09Gary Neville: but why was that Kenny because I mean it was just everything

1:04:12Jill Scott: the culmination it kicks off but as I say the club were more important than me most of the time but this time I was a wee bit selfish and put myself first

1:04:27Jill Scott: And by the way, within about three, four weeks, we went to Disney with the kids to try and get away from it. Jesus, I think everybody in Disney had been at a game. They'd been talking about things and I went, I said no. After about three weeks, I was wanting back. Wow. I would have gone back. You'd gone back into the club? Aye, I would have.

1:04:52Jamie Carragher: did you ever pass that message on maybe to Peter Robinson at the time or was it difficult

1:04:56Jill Scott: I think somebody did but it wasn't me but by the way they did the right thing, they can't sit and wait they can't sit and wait for somebody if you're no fit you're no fit that's it by the way they never did me a favour but I was grateful that they did it and I was grateful that I made the decision on behalf of the families and also the club because it's what I mean

1:05:19Gary Neville: There are moments, I think, that you remember in your life where almost like time stands still. Your importance to Liverpool was almost like beyond. You weren't just a manager, you were almost like a statesman-like figure there, a leader that could never be replaced. It actually turned out to be that way. Did you think when you left that the club would have that period of so long till the next league title? Obviously, you wouldn't have thought that, but you think about what happened after you left.

1:05:52Jill Scott: No, I never put any consideration into the football how it would affect the football club. Only by way of me no being able, who's supposedly the figurehead for the football at that time, only me can make a decision. So you're not doing a job and that was it. But for the foot, I don't think anybody could have predicted that Liverpool were going to go, what was it, 25 or 27 years without winning a title. That would have been, you'd have been locked up if you'd have come out with that. So I wasn't thinking how long it would be before they won it because it never came into my mind.

1:06:33Gary Neville: When you look at, because I think Liverpool have had a similar period as United had when, obviously before Sir Alex Ferguson joined. What do you put the success down to over a long period, that 20 years? and then what do you put the 30 years without success down to? What are the big differences in these massive shifts for these clubs? Liverpool obviously had huge success, dominated for long periods. What happened in that period that all of a sudden then changes all of a sudden when you leave? What leaves the club with you?

1:07:03Jill Scott: I think the most important part of the football club, any football club, are the players. So, I mean, Shanks came in and revamped it. Everything that Liverpool Football Club has at the moment. right mostly it was due to domination for Shankly he was unbelievable right unbelievable and it just carried on after he left Joe Albobe carried on the ethos and the preparation then Joe Fagan came in for a couple of years and then I came in and after that it did stutter a wee bit for success but I think the people that come in you would have taken them and you look at them and say well look at this, there's credentials obviously there's good decisions to bring in as managers but how somebody who's picking the players it's the players you bring in that are helpful, if you don't go to the market and spend wisely or you don't have a huge development like Fergie had coming through at United then it's going to be difficult for you to be successful.

1:08:13Gary Neville: I'd love to talk about the 30 years where Liverpool didn't win a title but we're not going to we're going to go straight to Jurgen Klopp and Arna Slott and what ties these two back to what you were doing back in the day when Liverpool were winning titles all the time and how have they sort of got back to that point now because obviously we're in a successful period where Liverpool look like they're going to win title after title.

1:08:36Jill Scott: I think both of them are brilliant for the football club but different people obviously Jürgen has his way of working and the development of what he did and what the success he had and he built up that success he never wasn't handed it in a play he built it up made a huge contribution towards it and Arnett's come in and last year he only bought Chiesa and the goalkeeper kept the goalkeeper out on loan at Valencia so he's done fantastic because the manager makes the right decision, doesn't he? If you make the right decision, you've got a good chance. If you've got the proper players coming in, you're making the right decisions.

1:09:25Jill Scott: You're a hard team to beat. And I think that's what happened with Jürgen and that's what's happened with Arnie now. And they're really good people in different ways. I mean, obviously Jürgen was like a force of nature, wasn't he,

1:09:38Gary Neville: when he came in his personality. but when Arna Slott came in I almost feel like

1:09:44Jamie Carragher: You were celebrating right now?

1:09:45Gary Neville: I just thought when Jurgen Klopp left the personality drop or the challenge of him leaving would be enormous. I think what Arna Slott's done in 15 months is absolutely incredible and the way in which he represents the club the way in which he carries himself in the interviews the way in which he makes decisions I think he's been absolutely flawless since he's come in. Would you agree with that? Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:09Jill Scott: yet different yeah to Jürgen right Jürgen had his way Arnie's did his and I think it was brilliant what Jürgen did in his last game absolutely when he started singing Arnie Sloat you like that what you wrote go on Roy give us a rendition that's a solid boy later so it was brilliant so it was like hand over aye it was like Jürgen giving him the all clear to go ahead but he is a really good man Do you like watching this team Kenny? Do you like watching the Liverpool team now what they're doing, scoring goals? I don't think the team that we'll go to at the moment is at his best I think they've got a couple of months to go and then you'll see them I think the wee fella Worts is very very clever boy right football wise he just needs to get on the same planes with the one in front of him

1:11:02Sir Kenny Dalglish: You've got to enjoy watching him the way they play, scoring goals whatever they might be giving up at the back they're entertaining entertaining to watch aren't they?

1:11:10Jill Scott: They're entertaining to watch but there wouldn't be so much winning as entertaining I think the winning would be more important than the entertaining and by the way we've had a couple of scares this year although we've come out on the right side of it but I think the players are set but they've no time I think giving them a bit of time to get used to playing with each other I think you'll see I think they'll be better than what they are now although at the moment it's satisfactory

1:11:43Gary Neville: I was going to ask you about Verts because I thought there's no one better to talk about him in respect to the position and understanding that position than you what do you think obviously he's got talent what do you think he needs to you said about connecting him up top what things when you watch him do you get excited by what things do you think he would need to do just to get to that next level what he needs to do is the first thing he needs to do

1:12:08Jill Scott: is what he's doing at the moment. He's great at taking the ball in his feet. He's loading himself up and the past has beat you but he's still got control of it or he'll take it the other way back past you to go that way and you going this way. He can see what's in front of him. And once he gets to it, I mean, I saw Isaac the other day there in the second half when he came on, I think, and he was talking to one of the boys about his movement, what he would do, and the boys sit and listen to him. And once they get on the same wavelength... By the way, that wee fella, he could open a can of soup.

1:12:51Jill Scott: Like you and Rushie, wouldn't it? Like you and Rushie?

1:12:54Sir Kenny Dalglish: No. No. Not that good. Aye.

1:13:00Gary Neville: How long did that take, you and Ian Rushie, in terms of the connection? Because that's what you're talking about with Wurz and Izak or Wurz and Iketika. How long would it take for that connection to happen where you just become Kutam right away? Yeah.

1:13:13Jill Scott: Look, for us, it was training for us. We did it in training. So that's where you learn it first, isn't it? And then, as Roshi said, he said, I told him, I said, Roshi, if there's a space here, just leave it. I'll play it and you go for it. Simple.

1:13:32Gary Neville: Yeah. I want to ask you about Virgil van Dijk and then take you back to your great friend and probably the greatest centre-half of his ear Alan Hansen and try and think about sort of those two I'm not going to ask you I sound like a super fan here asking you who's the best player you've probably been asked this question a million times who is the greatest Liverpool centre-back sorry, Jamie Carragher as well who's the greatest Van Dijk or Hansen?

1:14:01Jamie Carragher: Have you not learnt nothing over this last hour? He will never answer that. I know he will. Do you have something? He might do that.

1:14:09Gary Neville: Give us one, Kenny. Just give us one. You are going to answer this question. So you've got to pick one centre-back. Goodbye.

1:14:17Jill Scott: You've left a few.

1:14:18Gary Neville: I have left some out. I have. Phil Thompson. I have left some great centre-backs out, but I'm just picking the two that are sort of probably the standout ones in the public's eye.

1:14:29Jill Scott: I think for myself there's he's probably more physical yeah than that yeah he's more capable of playing like defensively once somebody wants he barges into him it's no problem so he'll maybe be a wee bit stronger than Big Al but I'll tell you if you've got either the Rose 2 at centre back you're going to be disappointed but I don't know if the two of them could play together because they're both left-sided, weren't they? Big Al used to come out with the ball at his feet and go like that. That meant, I'm struggling. Come off. Oh my God, it's all up. I'm struggling. He was struggling. And I remember watching Virgil playing for Celtic and he used to get, break out for the back with it and go forward.

1:15:24Jill Scott: He scored a goal at St Johnson, I think. he went forward in defensive spot went forward had a couple of dribbles and wrapped it into the net he could do with that he could do with that here I never saw Mike Hansen do that I saw him try to set me up at Old Trafford he used to get terrified he used to get terrified when he went through and he'd go it's only him and the keeper United used to play a really high line so they all pushed up and he chipped it over the top and then carried on Did he square it to you? Was that the one where No, he squared it to me he still had a dummy first he broke through I've seen a chance I've seen a chance

1:16:10Gary Neville: I've seen it yeah

1:16:12Jill Scott: Right the goalie goes backwards and Big Hand he panics and I've ran up and I've joined there's nobody there and he goes like that and said a dummy so I took a step forward

1:16:24Sir Kenny Dalglish: I'm seeing it, yeah

1:16:26Jill Scott: he checked and I went, oh no and he played it across and it was to be fair wasn't he the best person it was a wee bit behind me and I tried to drag it in and I was outside the post and I went, oh no and I missed it and the line's been standing like that I went, oh you're right well done

1:16:46Sir Kenny Dalglish: happy with that one Kenny, you speak so much about being a family man how proud you are of your family I know you guys have worked with Kelly Lourdes and I think she's absolutely fantastic but how proud are you now her doing Match of the Day because I think it's a great thing that she's doing that I think

1:17:05Jill Scott: for whatever they do I think they've been a success in everything they've done

1:17:08Sir Kenny Dalglish: she's done

1:17:09Jill Scott: really well for television she's probably one that's at the front Paul's done brilliantly as well for the walk of life he's won they've got two sisters one of them really helps Marina with the charity and the other one works with his hockey club and they're doing a fantastic job for themselves. And I think all of them can be pleased and certainly their parents are very pleased by what they've done. So you just point them in the right direction and hope that they do well. I mean, the thing for Kelly, when I left school, you left school on a Friday and your mum's got a paper going, there you are, find a job, right?

1:17:54Jill Scott: So, well, when am I going to find a job leaving school at 15? So I was a van boy. So he delivers parcels, school parcels. And he used to deliver them to the university, Glasgow University. It was educational books. I never read them. I just carried them and delivered them. So first stop, Glasgow University. I thought, jeez, it's the first time I've ever been here. So I took it in. then Kelly went to Glasgow University she qualified to get in and she was then I think it was further math or something right I didn't even know where it was and then so we were at Newcastle at the time and I was asked to do something for a prize or something and Maria said no I'm no doing it with you I'm no coming and Kelly went I'll come so Kelly and I are doing this advert and she went oh I really enjoyed that and then Richard Keyes phoned up and says oh Kelly would you fancy having a go at the telly she went oh I'll go so she went down and got a screen test right and then he went oh come back Monday for a week after about two days he went oh no you can have the job brilliant and I went no no you can't have the job she said why no I said because I want to see you get a presentation at Glasgow University, right?

1:19:20Jill Scott: With the gear on and everything. I said, I'm going to miss out on that. I said, I couldn't get one. I was expecting you to get it. There's no chance of Paul getting one. Paul, you've got two barons today.

1:19:35Sir Kenny Dalglish: I know.

1:19:37Jill Scott: So that was it. And the wee man, he had a higher IQ than anyone. Paul, honest to God. And I'm not winding you up a higher IQ. So he took to football.

1:19:51Jill Scott: so they're all right they're all very good well done well result well ian you've got to go

1:19:59Ian Wright: apparently but i'll wait till kenny goes i'm not going before kenny that's disrespectful

1:20:06Gary Neville: so many times because we're just going to talk about roy and kenny now we're going to talk about no we've done that before haven't we didn't try to sign roy

1:20:16Ian Wright: what happened with that

1:20:21Ian Wright: you've seen each other since right it's nice

1:20:27Gary Neville: it's your greatest achievement on the pitch at Blackburn as a manager what would you say is your greatest achievement and you've done everything nah

1:20:36Jill Scott: I don't have a

1:20:41Jill Scott: I don't have a league team you should have a lead table no I'm just fortunate they have won one

1:20:49Gary Neville: I'm actually going to ask you for your top three moments in your life in football that you think that sort of sit there as player and manager I'm going to put you on the spot you have to give us a top three you're going to give us a top three

1:21:02Jill Scott: scoring a penalty against Rangers number one that was my first all-firm game yeah two by winning a European trophy to get two out of the city. Three getting 102 caps for Scotland, probably.

1:21:22Jill Scott: So, a bit selfish, but no matter. I'm quite happy with that. That was a great top three. Yes, a great top three, yeah. Is it?

1:21:37Ian Wright: I remember two goals against Belgium. Was it against Belgium? Jesus two goals you scored against Belgium I know but we could beat three to yeah but so what we're strikers can we talk about the goals two strikes amazing goals

1:21:50Jamie Carragher: for Scott I think the iconic one I mean there's probably two Philippe people isn't there the one you've just mentioned the European Cup fan the little dink the little dink at Wembley for yourself but also that's probably in your first season almost your last season as a player manager the goal at Chelsea Chelsea

1:22:04Jill Scott: yeah that was worthwhile

1:22:13Jill Scott: that was the first season in the management in Everton they were Macaulay Culkin that's it they were home alone weren't they they could beat Oxford and just went south we won 11 out of the last 12 and that was one of them

1:22:32Jamie Carragher: so

1:22:34Jill Scott: 23 minutes she's on the big clock at the back didn't she and the referee turned to run to the punters the referee went calm down

1:22:46Jill Scott: calm down no that was that was an unbelievable achievement with the players for everything that had come back to where they were it was it's not the easiest place to go either is it at that time

1:23:02Jill Scott: and then the final Arthur's big hand was magnificent in the final yeah yeah That was us I'm running

1:23:11Sir Kenny Dalglish: He was tough to get the ball off Jan wasn't he When he was in a good place He just couldn't get the ball off him Could you I'd have to leave everybody

1:23:18Ian Wright: I think Thanks for popping in I love you Thanks for popping in See you later See you later See you later See you later Take it easy The train stop after six o 'clock Well I can't miss it No Everybody I love you

1:23:38Gary Neville: Is he getting full pay for that? Paul, come and sit in. Come and sit in. Come on, Paul. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Paul, all good? Hello. You all right?

1:23:51Sir Kenny Dalglish: Yeah. Hi, Paul. You OK? I'm all right. I'm in for a ride here. I know, yeah.

1:23:55Gary Neville: Thanks for popping in. So talk to us about your dad.

1:24:01Roy Keane: What am I?

1:24:02Gary Neville: What's he like as a dad?

1:24:03Roy Keane: I'm just trying to find out who it is. you saw me play it must have been adopted you know because it's mad you do obviously we're producers on a documentary that's coming out like you start reliving things about your dad that you know you grew up and you don't really take it all in because you're so young when he's doing a lot of things that he's doing and then actually working on it and going back and seeing some of the things you know you can't help but be proud you know it's it's pretty pretty pretty impressive you know and it's like all your kids as well are going to look back and do the same when they go.

1:24:36Roy Keane: You maybe don't take it all in when you're younger, but then when you actually look back and upon reflection, it's pretty cool, man, to have a dad that's gone and done that.

1:24:45Gary Neville: Did anything surprise you when you're going through the stories and the documents, anything you didn't know about? Do you know, a lot of it's like,

1:24:53Roy Keane: some of it's like Roy the Rover stuff, you know, it's like even, I mean, if you think now, in modern day football, being a player manager and then not playing for the first 25 games of the season and Alan Hanson comes out so it's the worst Liverpool team he's ever played in. He puts himself in a team, they win 11 out of 12 and win a double. I mean, you look at it and you go, that doesn't happen. You know, it's never going to happen again. You know, even after Hillsborough, obviously, the first game after Hillsborough that's not in the documentary was Liverpool-Celtic. And so Celtic reached out and said, listen, we'll play you a game.

1:25:28Roy Keane: And there were some players, rightly so, that were not sure whether they could play or didn't feel like playing. He put himself in the team and scored the first goal after Hillsborough. Liverpool went back and it was after that that he went and played Forrest in the replay. So it's things like that, the mentality that come on. I think what he's not really said is his will to win. You know what I mean? I've never experienced anyone in my life being involved in football a little bit. I've never known anybody with the will to win. You mentioned the Alan Hansen quote.

1:25:59Sir Kenny Dalglish: Did he say that during the season when you were the manager?

1:26:03Jamie Carragher: I think he said it did he say it publicly I did say it privately oh he said it privately

1:26:07Gary Neville: ok sorry ok

1:26:09Roy Keane: I said it to you didn't he we were actually talking

1:26:12Gary Neville: about that earlier on today about who was the last player to go on to be a player manager at the level I mean no one's gone and done what you've done with the title but we're talking about like Gianluca Vialli Rude Hullet that did it and Glenn Hoddle did it at Chelsea Chelsea in a period didn't they Robbo was at Middlesbrough Ryan Robson did it at Middlesbrough but no one's I mean it would be unthinkable that a top club one that's at the very top of the league would appoint a player as a manager and then they would go and be successful

1:26:37Roy Keane: but also I think it's the media commitments now you wouldn't have time you wouldn't have time to be able to train in the morning and do all the media commitments afterwards and then be fresh for training the next day it's the media commitments that have changed

1:26:49Sir Kenny Dalglish: they'll probably meet you to do interviews as a manager and then a player

1:26:54Roy Keane: but even now all the video analysis all the meetings that you have to have with different departments You wouldn't have the time. I think it's impossible.

1:27:03Jamie Carragher: Paul, I wanted to just mention something. Because when... We mentioned earlier on about you watching us train. But obviously when Kenny left, you were still coming to the School of Excellence. So Kenny's moved on from manager. And it was always something that sticks in my mind as a kid. We were only 11, 12, something like that. So he's still training with us. And you're thinking of the sense of humour of Kenny. and I always remember you saying about your dad being on the dole.

1:27:32Jill Scott: I never got that bite for Christmas, did I?

1:27:35Jamie Carragher: It's always stuck in my head, I remember us talking, you know, he's treating one of his brothers, Dad's the man, he's just left and we're all like, and we're all like a bit like, almost trying to be his, you know, Kenny's son and that type of thing and I always remember it, it always sticks in my head and littering you saying that.

1:27:49Sir Kenny Dalglish: Well, most of the dad's on the dole then, no, was it?

1:27:52Jamie Carragher: He said he would.

1:27:55Gary Neville: what was it like as a dad in terms of sort of you know supportive encouraging strict discipline because obviously when you think of him as a winner you think then of that competitiveness don't you did that come in did that come into his sort of parenting yeah football

1:28:08Roy Keane: came first so it was like my mum ran the house right you know it was an old-fashioned household where it was your dad was your dad old-fashioned you know you couldn't really wouldn't really think about going to him if you had something you wanted to speak to him about you'd always speak to your mum yeah and that's the way they wanted and it worked perfectly together so he went out as the man of the house went out to work old-fashioned you know it's things have changed now but wanted to go out to work my mum took care of the house so it was you know if we were under strict orders not to make a noise on a friday afternoon when he had his sleep and don't get your dad sleeping and it was that was the priority you know we knew that we knew that and to be fair you know i think my mum deserves as much credit for for what he achieved as what what he does because she was a massive part of it as well.

1:28:56Roy Keane: Yeah, talk to us about your mum and the role that... She used to pick a good team.

1:29:04No, obviously she was always in the background.

1:29:08Roy Keane: She was all of our rocks, really. Yours especially. And then when she got diagnosed with cancer, it was like, wow, how does that happen? You know what I mean? To someone who's always been there for all of us. and then now you want to help her. And I think that probably affected you more than you'd ever show. But I think he found it really stiff because when you... He'd always probably in football been able to fix any problem that he faced, whether it's through management or through football, when it's your wife and it's a health thing and it's totally out of your control. I think that probably affected you as much as anything I've ever seen, if I'm honest.

1:29:51Jill Scott: There's one thing I never told you. You were adopted, you know?

1:29:57Gary Neville: You can't get an answer out of it when you're saying it was me. It makes me feel better.

1:30:00Roy Keane: You've got to do it, I'll tell you. It took me a long time to realise you've got to make him think it's his idea. So, like, you know, if you think, do you know what someone's never done? Do you know what would be a great idea? No-one's ever done this. Two weeks later, do you know what? I've just had an idea. Do you know what? I swear.

1:30:17Jamie Carragher: You talk about that and how it affect the family, but how you turn that situation into what you've got now in terms of the Marina's Foundation and what you've done for people or certainly women especially in Liverpool is sensational.

1:30:33Roy Keane: Yeah, I think so. I think when, correct me if I'm wrong, but when my mum first started having chemotherapy, a city like Liverpool didn't have a chemotherapy unit. Mum had to drive through the tunnel to Platterbridge and if you're from Liverpool, you know the psychological barrier going through that tunnel. Over the water. Yeah, yeah. It feels like you're leaving. So she said, well, if I get better, I'm going to build one. And she did. And then the foundation has gone on from strength to strength from there. Fantastic.

1:31:02Sir Kenny Dalglish: Didn't you get married on our 21st birthday?

1:31:04Jill Scott: Aye.

1:31:04Sir Kenny Dalglish: So you don't forget a birthday or your anniversary?

1:31:07Jill Scott: Well, I'll not be in trouble for both, will I? Or I'll have forgot them. No, 21st. We get married on our 21st birthday.

1:31:16Sir Kenny Dalglish: Wow.

1:31:19Jill Scott: Seemed a good idea at the time. And do you know what? I go, Tuesday off, right? Get married, get the Tuesday off. No, we get married on the Monday. Monday off, and then Tuesday off. Big joke, said, I'll see you Wednesday. Said, oh, thanks.

1:31:41Sir Kenny Dalglish: You only got one day for your honeymoon.

1:31:44Jill Scott: Everybody else was off. Monday or Tuesday.

1:31:48Sir Kenny Dalglish: So it was always football was the priority.

1:31:50Jill Scott: That was my mum chose that.

1:31:51Roy Keane: She didn't want to be alone with it.

1:31:54Sir Kenny Dalglish: Get yourself back in. Yeah, yeah.

1:31:56Gary Neville: And how was it making the documentary?

1:31:58Roy Keane: It was brilliant, honestly. It was almost like, for me personally, it was just, obviously working with, as you ought to mention him, the guy's best at what he does, to be honest. And it was lucky, really, because it turns out he's a Liverpool fan. And the first game he ever went to was Liverpool-Arsenal at Highbury. he saw my dad playing he said right all his brothers supported Arsenal he said I'm supporting Liverpool now so it was like a a passion project for him to try and tell his story to the younger generation so for me it was like but for me it was my opportunity as well to really go into depth and learn everything he's achieved really because some of it as I said you know my dad and I feel uncomfortable saying it but it just won't be done again no

1:32:46Jamie Carragher: what was it like for you Paul obviously we played against you when we were kids but what was it like for you having Kenny Laglish as your dad you know when you're starting off in the career he's had

1:32:59Roy Keane: I had the default answer which was just sarcastic when everyone asked me I don't know I've never had another one but the truth is you said you might have done before

1:33:08Jill Scott: I wish I did that's defamation of his mother's character

1:33:15Roy Keane: Right said Fred, I think it was. But basically, it was... What I would say is, I think, and your experience, you're seeing your son players now, but I think what it does is, it may open a door at the beginning, but once you walk through it, there's a lot more pressure on you. And I think your level of expectation for success is so high. You know, I could play quite well, and it'd be your shite. You know, never be as good as you. I remember scoring two goals in one game, and someone said, well done today, Paul. you'll never be as good as your dad. So it was like that level of expectation of coming through.

1:33:49Roy Keane: It was tough, but at the end of the day, I wouldn't want to change what he did. It did make things more difficult for yourself because if you look back at my career, you can maybe say, not bad compared to the average, but if you compare it to him, it's Paul. So it's just, that was probably the toughest, but more the comparisons. And it's a very difficult level to live up to, really.

1:34:12Jill Scott: the best goal ever he played for Scotland under the 21s I went up to watch it at Airdrie and I'm watching the game wee Gordon Strachan son's playing as well Gavin wasn't he and I can't even remember who they were playing he only scores doesn't he and we're in a box you've got mobile phone phoned up I said the wee man's just scored she went No, I said, he is. Marina, I can't speak any more. I'm too emotional. Put the phone down. That was the best goal for me. I've had nothing, no mine. His was Scotland.

1:34:56Gary Neville: That's incredible. Aye. Well, what a place to finish. And it's an absolute privilege, it really is, to have you on the show. And thank you, Paul, for being on today.

1:35:06Jill Scott: Thank you so much. Thank you very much. It's great having a wee chat. and a bit of sense of humour and a laugh. It's great to say it's not all blood and thunder in it in the footballing world. Brilliant. Thank you, Kenneth.

1:35:20Gary Neville: Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. See you.