Spain Win the World Cup, Messi’s Farewell & Jude Joins the Elite! | Stick to Football EP 144

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0:44I like the snacks. It must be my time in Spain that I got used to Spanish. Next World Cup in Spain. I'm almost a resident. I'm almost a resident of the country Yes Jack Here's the two We just have to buy them off with strawberry milkshakes We just have to buy Roy and Wrighty off with strawberry milkshakes Simple as that Nice How are you doing? How are you doing? Right I was here What was that? I don't have sex like it Exactly Your Shake Shack milkshake Shake Shack milkshake It's easy for some people to see. Oh. I'm going to get out while we are. Is Carys on his way? No. Because tramps like us.

1:37You have no chance of getting here. Okay. Baby, we were born to run.

1:48Well. It's done, gal. A bit of happiness, a bit of sadness, a bit of everything. Yeah. I'm delighted. that Argentina didn't win. Sad, because I didn't like to see Messi crying like that. You see what it meant to him. But I'm kind of happy for Spain. Yeah. And I don't think that the way Argentina played today, I think maybe the three different extra-time games, 120 minutes, Messi played all of those. It's just done, wasn't it? It's finished. Both the centre-halves going off. Going off, yeah. Fernanda's getting centre-halves. well that was that's just that's crazy they had a lot go against them to be fair yeah but they say go against them that's not going against them no he's just crazy no what I mean if you're the manager you'd be like you're two centre-halves go off and one of your players that's experienced gets sent off you're like if Messi's got if Messi goes in addressing them and if he's that player to say to somebody what they've done because he's the captain and you're going to dig someone out you're probably digging him out you're on a yellow what are you doing but like I said it's like Paredes it's like they didn't care that they were on a yellow It's like they knew something we didn't like.

2:55It doesn't matter. We're not going to get booked for it. It was crazy, some of the challenges that we do. It's crazy. Mmm, I love it. You're smart, right? Yes. You're smart. I thought you said you'd just come in. I put a tissue, yeah. Just went and fresh and up.

3:15Stick to Football Hosts: I brought all my stuff back over. Did you? Everything. It took me five minutes. You'll be warm up on that roof. Go, let's have a feel of that. That's a great ball. I would have been a good... Is that a proper size one? Is that the size of one, that? Is it the real one? Is this a real one? Because this is like plastic-like. Yeah, that's not a real one. The real one's got proper... Hey, it's a good topic. What position would you have been? I think I'd want to be a catcher. Is that a wide receiver? Can you have a defender out wide? You can, can't you? Obviously, yeah, but a defender out wide. Oh, it's because you have to do those moves.

3:55Yeah, I'll be full back. I'll tell you what, by the way. My throw, I used to be able to throw it pretty well. Roy's got a better throw. No, let me see. No, that wasn't a good throw.

4:06Stick to Football Hosts: I'd be. That was rubbish. That was really bad. You notice, like, I've asked you your position. Not one of you said what position. You know what I mean? What would you be, Roy? It's like, all about yourself. What would you be? Quarterback. What would you be? Quarterback. Put all the money into women. I'll be on special teams or something like that. The kicker. Kicker. Harry Kane wanted to be a kicker, didn't he? He did, yeah. He did, yeah. Did he do some training? He could probably do it. I think he'd done training with the Patriots. You'd have to think that that's... Because he's ageing that now, could you imagine?

4:37He could probably do that, couldn't he? No. Right. He could kick it. He's got the power. He could probably do it, Harry Kane.

4:53Ballon d 'Or, Champions League, Euros, World Cup. That is like the completion of football. Congratulations, Godric. Unbelievable. What were they doing? Show us what were they doing? That's mind-boggling, that. You can't kick a World Cup final off late. I mean, you literally had 40 years to plan for it. You have a good deal with America and anything goes. I went for a game of poo last night by myself.

5:15Stick to Football Hosts: That would have been the sad. Did you lose? There was an argument at the end of it, yeah. England could have literally tanked if they hadn't had Jude Bellingham. Can I ask you something? Did you enjoy Anthony Barry's little... You know what I liked about the first one? It's like I said, right, we want you to go out. Just be, just go and tell him what you... And then the first one he came up with was like, you know? Someone went, whoa, whoa, whoa. And Anthony just like, ease it down a little. But you know something? Yeah. I liked it.

5:53Stick to Football Hosts: You're not right after the game, are you? Are you on it? Can we just have a little... I feel like a bit of a lull. 30 seconds, yes. Yeah, a bit of a lull. A bit of a... It's like the end of a road. The end of a road. I was just saying... We'll meet again. Vera. Vera Lynn. I was saying I was quite pleased that it weren't Argentina, but then I was really sad to see Messi crying like that. I don't want to have an argument with you, right? Not tonight. It's not tonight. I'm not going to argue. Peter, you're so disrespectful to Argentina. No, I don't think you're disrespectful. Oh, look at them. You have to find different ways to win.

6:27Yeah, but like, Roy, they are very antagonising.

6:31Stick to Football Hosts: No, we don't have to like you, but a little bit of it. Admire them a little bit. I did say that. My first comments were to admire them, but they played like a bag of shit. Let's be clear. They played really poorly in the game. So what I would say is to stay in the game as long as they did, you've got to hand it to them well done. But they played like a bag of shit. Yeah, but when they played against Egypt, we were saying, oh, this ain't over with them. you respect what they're capable of doing your eyes can sometimes say if it looks like shit and it smells like shit it's shit and to be fair what we watched today to be fair was a performance that was really poor and they've played at times poorly they've got massive chemistry and fierce competitiveness that gets them through and they've got an incredible player up top that to be fair gets them and gets them over the line without him I've said this in the last tournament they are to be fair a team that probably would struggle to get to the same point but we talk about the Spanish DNA I mean the Argentina DNA and the Spanish have their DNA everybody's different every country's battling but they were poor today though right?

7:21Stick to Football Hosts: yeah they were but the game if you heard some of the players getting interviewed afterwards they were saying the pitch was like really dry yeah I told you I said it was terrible to be fair right it was hard to tell when you're watching can't you the pitch the sympathy I had with them today is playing against the Spain team their average age is 30 they've played loads of football 120 minutes to get to where they've got to is incredible they lost both the centre halves that's where I said we should give them a little bit more oh yeah at the end I said look you've got to admire them you think they just ran out Oh, yeah, I'm not saying you didn't get it.

7:48They ran out of steam. Yeah. And Messi, he's still nearly done it, though, didn't he? But everyone's saying football is the winner of Spain,

7:55Stick to Football Hosts: but the Spanish are brilliant, but other countries have to find different ways. It can't be just, let's not be snobby about it. It's going to be interesting to see. It's going to be Spanish or this. It's going to be interesting to see when Messi's gone, because you can't say, a couple of years. They said that when Maradona left him. They'll never replace Messi. Someone's coming. I wonder if it'll be another Argentinian. When you left Ashland, they'll never replace him. It was a disappointing final in some ways from the point of view of the level of games we've seen throughout the tournament wasn't it?

8:25Stick to Football Hosts: I had a feeling it was going to be that type of game did you? You're not a prediction I said 3-2 I thought it was going to be one of those where it was going to be a few goals even though Spain don't score many I just thought it was going to be one of those games where Spain might have nicked one and then Argentina get one and Spain the way they play they might have got another one because on the break you can catch Argentina so I thought they might have got more goals So you know when you haven't got the ball and you chase it, right? But you know if obviously physically it's tiring, mentally it's tiring, isn't it?

8:52Stick to Football Hosts: You're trying to get to somebody and it just pops it around us and then nobody else closes it. It beats you up, doesn't it? It's just getting angry. It slowly beats you up. And even when you play Spanish teams, I don't mean necessarily Barcelona, even the lesser Spanish teams are good at keeping the ball out there. Obviously you said you phoned that up when you were over there. I think technically and tactically they're at another level right now for the last 10, 15 years. Is that just the coaching from a young age? Is that all it is for them? I'll tell you what, they defend well as well. Well, that's...

9:19What's it now? Koubalski? 19. You know, you look at... That's a big position, isn't it?

9:24Stick to Football Hosts: We're talking about centre-halves. We're not talking about just in any country's back line, in Spain's back line. Yeah, but is it easier then, if you know what I mean? Well, maybe, but he's a footballer and he's got the pace and they just trust him because it's a high line. Rodri's obviously a star, Laminia Miles a star, but if you look at the rest of the nine of that team, I say, it's a team that you put together and you think, we know obviously Cucuraya, Laporte, we know Porro, Fabian Ruiz is a good player. But their last two games, there was no hiding place. France. Oh, they stepped up massively.

9:58Stick to Football Hosts: And Argentina. And I think because they keep the ball so well, the tournaments, I don't think they're all as draining from. It's not like emotionally where they came back from 2-0 or it's extra time. And they got some late goals. Because the way they look after the ball, it looks as if... They were under the radar, didn't they? almost all the way to the five. No, because remember they drew the first game 0-0. They drew with Cape Verde, remember? And everyone, and you know, that's the time to put a bet on them. Just to say, again, write them off is a bit strong, but you had to say, do you know what, maybe they're not at it and they haven't got a goal threat.

10:29I watched them beat Uruguay with Juan Mata late one night. I was doing it with Juan Mata and Ange and I remember saying to Juan Mata, they just don't look right. They got over the line in that game. It was a bad mistake by the Uruguay keeper, I think. and he just said yeah no they just don't he said not quite right this was like four weeks ago five weeks ago and then he just forget about them a little bit peaking at the right time to beat France how they did was amazing that was amazing they toyed with them they won the competition really in the semi-final in some ways that was the final really they were the two best teams probably I just think the England game took a lot of Argentina yeah probably every game probably for Argentina it was like a comeback like every game, wasn't it?

11:10Gal, you said that we would have given Spain a better game than Argentina. I think we would purely because of more energy probably. I think that today we went through, we've had a few late ones as well.

11:20Stick to Football Hosts: Yeah. Extra timers. And again, as we go back to players off the bench, they won the World Cup, last European final against England. Yeah, Torres. They was off the bench. Torres today, Zubin Mendy came on. But winning goal against England two years ago. Yeah, Zabarski. Winning goal today. So at this stage of the season for players, the subs are even More important Yeah Marino Scored big He has a ball He came off the bench Didn't he Yeah So When he scored In the Euros That's right That's what Five out of the last Ten tournaments Or something they've won Is it 2006 2008 2010 And then they obviously Won the last two Or Something like that It's a massive If they've got Somewhere along the line There must be some Fourteen year old Wizard forward That once he gets involved in Spain or go again.

12:11But it's the Pep influence, I think, and that Xavi and Iesta Busquets era, and then the defenders that they had with Piquet and Puyol and sort of really great defenders, that's just influenced the whole of, I would imagine, this new generation of Spanish players. You're influencing generations when you sort of do things like they did 10, 12 years or 13 years. This is at the new generation. I mean, that picture of Luminiumal as a baby, Messi's arms, it's incredible. and that Barcelona team that Pep had is just influenced that's just timing sometimes players coming true and then Messi on top of all that well if you look at that Spanish team that won back in the day obviously it came out of the best Barcelona team ever they had Puyol Pique Xavi Iniesta Busquets David Villa Pedro Pedro that's seven they had seven players and they obviously had a couple from they had Casillas Ramos so that the majority of the team was like the Barcelona team from sort of Pep's team and then obviously you've got and through the academy at Barcelona by the way a lot of them Amathia so you think about the influence

13:16Stick to Football Hosts: yeah but you still have to create something though you could say that like the French the French have some brilliant players but you still have to bond together but that style of play I wonder if there was because obviously you know Real Madrid was there issues years ago where you're thinking Barca and Real Madrid yeah oh yeah yeah it was wasn't it yeah yeah so you might have all the best players but you still have to create that they still won the they still won the World Cup with the Barcelona yeah yeah yeah of course yeah no that's my point the talent alone might be enough. You have to get people on side.

13:40Stick to Football Hosts: That's where the management comes into it. And even now, you look at them in the last few games, they're a proper team, aren't they? I know when you're winning, everyone feels like there's a great team spirit. But the managers don't. And even at the last Euros, they were the best team in the Euros, weren't they? It's not as if you... I know I always say sometimes, the best team don't always win. But they're producing. I love the way that Spain will play a young player without people talking about, oh, watch his minutes, and let's make sure we keep an eye on him. They'll play La Minha Mal. when he's 16, in the Euros.

14:10Same with Nico Williams at 19, same with the centre-half, Sabarsky. They'll just play him. Just go and play.

14:16Stick to Football Hosts: The beauty is when you're on about that kind of tippy-tappy football in the Euros, they're two wide players, they're brilliant, aren't they? They're obviously the full-backs, no mugs either. And then this final today, when Williams come on, imagine when you put yourself as a defender for Argentina and it's tippy-tapping, you're getting tired out, as you said, your full legs, particularly the full-backs' legs are getting tired. But then you have people running behind you. That's the one, I love that. Oh, that's the one that hurts you. Kills people. The tippy-tappy's tiring, but someone running behind you.

14:45And the thing is, when you're playing, Roy, and you're, this is what, I remember George Graham said it all the time, even if you, just go. They don't want to, but they have to. And then you go, oh, here he goes again. That's where the mistakes come. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybet. Right, best player in the tournament. I've got a list here that you can select from or you can dismiss. Lionel Messi, Ju Bellingham, Harry Kane, Kylian Mbappe, Michael Elise, Rodri, Alathabal and Haaland have been named. The best player of the tournament, the best player in the tournament.

15:25Well, it just says player of the tournament. Who did you say at the end there? Last couple? Alathabal and Haaland. Rodri? Rodri's in there. Oh, Rodri's in there. Rodri. Yaza Baldy, he's from Spain as well, isn't he? Yeah. I think that it would have been, I think Rodri and I probably would have, Jude would have been close. Absolutely Jude would have been close. You're going to pick one? Yeah. I would go Jude Bellingham. I think, look, the reason being is I think that I almost expect that from Rodri. The standards, the levels, the consistency that he's set. I'm not taking it for granted because I think he's just, to be fair, you said it before, I think he's just completed football.

16:04Ballon d 'Or, Champions League, Euros, World Cup, that is like the completion of football. Congratulations, Rodri, unbelievable. But I think Bellingham's World Cup was a little bit unexpected and sort of to go and get seven goals, become England's altar. And I just think the influence he had on the tournament was massive on not just English fans, I think he'll have influenced fans around the world. You know what, Gal, I went to, because they had to play New Zealand and Costa Rica at the start. He was playing in the New Zealand game. Roy, did I tell you? He was playing that game as if it was the semi-final.

16:34He doesn't let up in the games. He really puts his shift in.

16:38Stick to Football Hosts: Did he feel he had something to prove this tournament for England? Yeah, but Roy, remember not long ago, he left him out of squads. I was thinking he was. That's my point. Did he feel he had something to prove? He had that bit of anger in him and that bit of hunger. But I think that he did. And I think that's why he came like he did. He came like he did have a point to prove and he proved it because there's no way you can think of an England team without him. I think he could share it with Rodri, I think. He finished third. English have finished third. It's either an Argentinian, sort of French.

17:11So you put the Elisa in and Mbappe in, but Elisa when he must have a chance against England, I think a 4-4. But I think Elisa and Mbappe not getting France into the final, to be fair, is a problem for me because they were the best team and best squad. so they have let themselves down wrong, but they did not deliver at the moment where they had to step up. Do you know what I mean by that? Yeah, but I think Spain showed they were more of a team. That's what I'm saying. I think they were the most fancy team, France. I expected Spain to be better at football than France, but I expected France to counter-attack and go through them.

17:41What I was disappointed with France was to have that many great individuals play poorly. Yeah, I agree. That's what I mean. I'm surprised at that because we're talking about players who are playing high level in their clubs know that they have to play at a certain standard and level and we're now talking about the semi-finals. I think, look, probably apart from Haaland, if you take out Bellingham and Haaland, without Haaland, Norway would have probably dropped not qualifying out of the group, but England could have literally sank and tanked if they hadn't had Drew Bellingham. You think about the influence he had on getting him through these tough games.

18:17To me, I just think, I thought Messi as well deserves a mention because he's, I mean, unbelievable. I think if if Bellingham and if it was England and Spain in that final I think Bellingham would have probably could have got the player of the tournament I think he could have because of the goal who's picked that FIFA player of the tournament I think because he's in the final let's say Messi equalises with a minute to go does he get it then who chooses it surely do they have like a panel they must do yeah but it's a coincidental Roy it's always the people that are on the pitch of course obviously yeah but they're not going to go the winner is Jimmy Murphy

18:53Stick to Football Hosts: but he's already thrown back you know what I mean so that's what I'm saying so it's so much it would have been interesting I think that it's a good point the point I'm trying to make is if Jude was in the final with Rodri I think Jude could have got it but he wasn't he wasn't so so who are we going for can they share it no you definitely can't do you have a joint I'm happy to do it yeah come on let's go Rodri and Jude we've got joint winners of the stick to football player and so on yeah of course which is more standing than the FIFA one by the way Rodri so just letting you know best young player in the tournament the people we've got listed here are Laminya Mal Nico O 'Reilly Desiree Due Koubasi Moura and Noosa I think it was like Koubasi 100 % no one's even close I mean they literally conceded one goal in the whole tournament in how many games eight eight games eight games one goal I think he's won to the record easy look I said a little bit about the Santa Raza for Argentina but when you concede seven goals in five knockout games you're going to struggle to get through all those games you can see no goals in the knockout games you've got a great chance of winning it I mean ultimately Spain back in 2000 and oh 10 did they win it yeah they didn't concede a goal in the knockout game they didn't concede a goal in the knockout phases of I think the three tournaments they won the Euros and the Worlds they didn't concede a goal in the knockouts I do like them stats incredible we watch football to be entertained strikers attack brilliant and we've just been speaking about amazing attacking players but I do love when people have pride in their fandom you know you go out there thinking we're not conceiving that was a good chance at the end wasn't it the Argentina one that's a big chance you know something Simeone I'm glad but again like we spoke about when Messi don't and people said people said Yeah, well, what do you expect?

20:50He's in the box. He's easy going to... You saw with Simeone... Was his an easier one, right? You know what? It's not even a case of easier. Nobody hit the target. He's just got to get... Like, Messi's instincts, natural instincts, all the basics were just right. He was over it. He caught it. It looked nice, didn't it?

21:08Stick to Football Hosts: Yeah. I mean, you just think, that's the chance. That's the chance. OK, I think to be fair, though, what we do need to say is that the Spanish team were helped by the best goalkeeper. Simon, Martinez, Menon and Azari from Garnier. It's the Spanish goalkeeper. It does frighten me. We didn't talk a lot about the one that he came out in the first half on, Messi, early on. Oh, my God. By the way, Messi's through. And I'm thinking, if he just gets a nick there, Messi, he's sent off, you know, he's through on goal. And you know what? We're not talking about, like, you know when you see them, like, the 10 yards or 15.

21:39He was, like, 20-odd yards outside. Against France. It's unbelievable. Against France and against Adelante. But this is what I was saying about the high line. and the manager says, listen, that line's, you go.

21:51Stick to Football Hosts: I know we have a bit of banter when the game's run about, you know when people say great starting position from a goalkeeper and you're thinking, well, we're expecting to be in the box but his positioning and what he's on. You know when you see, because all of a sudden you see Messi. That's the key, his position. Yeah, because you see Messi going and you think, then all of a sudden you see the goalkeeper come out and you think, wow. So that's how you high up he's starting. Brilliant. And it's interesting because at the start of the tournament you would have said, because we are obviously looking at the Premier League we think, why is Raya not playing?

22:19Why is David Raya not playing? You are thinking that a little bit, aren't you? You're thinking, David Raya, you've got to be some goalkeeper to not be playing if Raya's playing, the way he's played for Arsenal. And by the way, he is some goalkeeper. Best goalkeeper? Easily. By a mile. Yeah, I think so, yeah. OK. The best defender in the tournament, I'm going to disagree with a few on this list, to be fair, just naturally, because Kukurea's not on it, which I think he needs to be. Well, he should be on it. So Poro, Kukurea, I'm going to stick on there. Koubasi, Laporte, Saliba, Up and Meccano. Ben should get a mention.

22:48Jed Spence should be on there. Yeah, I think Jed Spence should get a mention. Hakim is on here. Christian Romero and Lissandro Martinez are on here as well. Them two have got to be between them two, innit?

23:02Stick to Football Hosts: I got injured today, didn't I? That didn't help, did it, Argentina? No, no. Both of them going off inside 65 minutes. No, that's not helped them at all. He was injured for the season, though, wasn't he? During the season, both of them two were. Was Romero injured, do you think? Because to me, Marse's definitely was, but was he injured when he came off? Or did you subbed him, do you reckon? Or today? Well, something must be wrong. But he was injured for Sporos towards the end, wasn't he? That's the thing. He missed games. Yeah. Yeah, who we're selecting as the best defender, I think? I think Upa Makano's probably got to have a good shout.

23:35I thought he was very good. I think Laporte's been incredible. I mean, look, actually, when I was manager of Valencia, we played against Bilbao three times. And Laporte played left centre-back for them in all three games. Oh, my God, he was unbelievable. And he was young then. What would he have been back in 2015? Marriott Laporte. He was incredible. And he goes to City and you think, wow, what a player they've got. And he played well for them, didn't he, for quite a while. And obviously Pep sort of... Jed Spence was our best defender. Definitely. Definitely. Our best defender. Gay did quite well, I thought.

24:13No, but I thought that Jed Spence and the tackles he made and I thought he made decisive tackles. Kukurea, I think, needs to be fair. I quite like him, to be honest. He's one of those, for some reason... Very tenacious. Yeah, people give him a lot of stick and that, but when I watch him, I've watched him a lot against Saka, against any winger he's up, he's just... All in. He's on it and he'll get forward, he's got certain quality in the box, he'll score a goal. You know what, Gal? He's close for me. He's close for me in this. And do you know something? in that semi-final in Dembele was yeah just just snuffed yeah snuffed I wouldn't I wouldn't be against I would go I would say Cucurea I'd say Laporte or Cucurea yeah can you share it Roy can you share it both of them no let's give it to one of them I would probably go Laporte just maybe but I'm happy to go with Cucurea yeah no I'd go Laporte I'll go with Cucurea ok we're going with Laporte 2 how old Laporte back in 2015

25:11Stick to Football Hosts: he's about 2021 2021 yeah younger. Okay, best midfield player in the tournament. We've said the best player is Rodri and Bellingham and they're both in there. Enzo Fernandes in there. I think he deserves to be in there. I mean, he didn't obviously cover himself in glory today, but he's been brilliant in the tournament, I think. What a poor decision was by him today, though. Again, surely that should come into you as a midfielder, that kind of decision, what he's made there. We're talking about his ability. Ian, it's the basics. I think when you don't slow down, You're on about the importance of the game And footballers get frustrated I think if they were two or three down You're thinking, do you know what?

25:49Stick to Football Hosts: The head's gone Yeah But to do that, just slow down Just let him Because he's on the halfway line He's on the yellow card It was coming from a mile away, wasn't it? One of them Yeah, we could see it coming You know what I mean? It was very difficult to not see an Argentinian player get sent off And to be fair, Paradez I think McAllister was quite lucky We have to do the same with the player a talk we've given them both to Jude and Rodri then we've got to do this as well here we have Jude and Rodri share it yeah yeah okay we've got to give honourable mentions to who well Eury Tillemans is in there Elliot Anderson is in there Olmo's in there deserves one you know something Elliot Anderson should get a mention because he's done well up to a certain point you know what I mean if you're looking at our best friend it was Ari and Jude were doing the business for us he was probably the next obviously Jed Spence kind of like emerged as well saying that right I'm obviously happy to give him praise I think he should have done better for the first that first goal when he's going to come he should just be half and half he just he kind of almost forced the pass by oh right you're letting him you watch that back he should just maybe slow down a little bit and he does that a lot he'll have to obviously learn more when he goes to City but just sometimes don't go chasing it what he's doing I think he thinks Messi's going to cut inside and so he's thinking I hope this is what he was thinking and I think I would have probably, if he'd stayed with Enzo Fernandes, and then Messi cuts it in.

27:16I didn't silence it. I'm not sitting and stare with it. Just cut a little bit. Half and half, cut it up where you go,

27:22Stick to Football Hosts: again, I go back to it, you have to multitask. You go, I'm ready if he does this, but I can get to him a bit quicker. That's what Gary was saying about Messi, what we should have been doing with Messi when he was Kane and Gal. Just come across a bit more. Remember what he was saying, when Messi's in that space on his own. We couldn't have left him with that much space there. It was ridiculous. Just screw your jets, lads. Cooling Jets. Is that the thing? When you said... That's the old... I was listening to you the other day when you said, cooling Jets. You said, no, I'm not cooling my Jets. My Jets are that fucking hot.

27:51My Jets are hot. It's untrue. My Jets are on gas coming everywhere. Cooling Jets. No, I'm not cooling my Jets.

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28:39Best forward, we've got Lionel Messi, Mbappe, Kane, Haaland. I'm going to go with Messi. Yeah, 39. 39. 39. Gorgeous, gorgeous. I'm up to go with Messi. Incredible. It's great that they all turned up, though. Can I just say, Haaland, for me, is close out of all of them. Yeah, yeah. Because Mbappe is brilliant as well. We've seen him do it. But Haaland coming in with the rep, you know what I mean? He's not played in one before for Norway.

29:02Stick to Football Hosts: Can I ask you, if they're all getting seven, eight, nine goals, with that type of vibe. Are defenders getting washed? Well, something's got to be happening. Are attackers getting better? I think the speed of play, I think defenders are obviously more limited in what they can do now. Well, look at the Spanish were able to do it, weren't they? Yeah, yeah. Look, I don't know. I mean... You can't give it to anyone apart from Messi at 39 what he's done here. What about Messi's goal, the one where he controls it against Cape Verde? Against Cape Verde. And then just... I think people underestimate it simply because of who it was against...

29:34but the ball for a start was amazing, right? But the first touch sets the whole goal up. OK, there we go. Best votes. OK, surprise package. Who was our surprise package? Cape Verde. Yeah, we've got Cape Verde, Switzerland, Egypt, Mexico, Canada, USA. It's got to be Cape Verde, hasn't it? How's USA in there as a surprise package? Who wrote this list? Who's stitching me up here? I know I've switched off, but give me a break. I shouldn't have mentioned it I'm not saying it disrespect me it's got France on it surprise package surprise package England England there's a surprise package is there any other surprise package think outside the box Norway quarter finals

30:16Stick to Football Hosts: did you think Norway would get to the quarters yeah they done well didn't they yeah well done Norway Norway yeah Norway surprise did Belgium surprise they could have gone out they should have went out to was it Ivory Coast did Belgium get to Senegal Senegal they should have gone out where did Belgium get to Where did they get knocked off? He got to the quarters. Quarters, yeah. In Spain. And that was... I think Norway. That was a mistake by the keeper, wasn't it? Yeah. I think Norway. Norway should be... I think it should be Norway, Gal. I think because... Remember that chance when Stran Larsson...

30:47Is it Stran Larsson? Should have just squared it? But you can't say Norway because he had him as a dark horsey so he knew they might get there whereas Cape Verde, no one expected what they did against Argentina. I think Norway, to be fair, there was an element of thinking they might get to like... It's true. Do you know what I mean? Cape Verde. I think Cape Verde has got to be a surprise package. Scotland? Score and a goal?

31:11It was deflected, unfortunately. Any other surprise package in the tournament? Any other thing that surprised you about the tournament? Do you know something? Just let's talk a little bit about today. I didn't mind the spectacle, but I tell you what, that wasn't half a long old day, was it, with the extra time and the half-time show? It wasn't too much. It was too much.

31:30Stick to Football Hosts: You've got to respect the game. I know we're an American, all this. And I like American sports and the NFL and the Razzbatass. The game's got to be the game. It was just a bit too much, even before halftime. How many opening ceremonies? What was Tom Cruise saying? What was his message? He was basically delivering a speech about how it brought the world together through football, I think, and stuff like that. But you know something, the game kicked off late. That's unforgivable, that's not correct. A World Cup final. Six minutes late. Was it six minutes late? I mean, you can't... That's my point.

32:00Same as well. If you kick off late in League Two, you get fined. You can't kick a World Cup final off late. I mean, you've literally had four years to plan for it. When we're doing it... You have four years to plan for it. We're dealing with America and anything goes when it comes to what they're doing in respect to... Yeah, but they can be strict with other stuff, right? That's the strange thing about it. But when it suits them...

32:19Stick to Football Hosts: Every restaurant you go to, you go to Shake Shack, have you booked a table? They can be strict on certain things. But then six minutes later for the World Cup. Final. On a terrible pitch. terrible pitch for the standard and the players and the calibre of players that are playing on it. A World Cup final on that pitch. God, so bad. OK, well, we've got some other categories that might bring that out later on. Big best game in the tournament. My favourite game was definitely Argentina-Egypt or Argentina-Cape Verde. They were a special game. Argentina-Cape Verde. I did both of them. I thought they were amazing.

32:53Argentina were amazing. Yeah, going into the Argentina-Cape Verde, we're going in and it's a game we're just going in, how many for Argentina? Yeah, 4-0. You know what I mean? We're thinking that and then this Cape Verde side, they just play. Egypt genuinely could have knocked Argentina out.

33:07Stick to Football Hosts: That was close. Two and a lot with 10 minutes to go. Unbelievable that one. I love that game. That was incredible that game. You're going to go with that one? Egypt? I go with that one, I think. Egypt is so... You know what? It's heartbreaking. Two and a lot with 10 minutes to go, righty. Two and a lot with 10 minutes to go. Well, the other games, to be fair, England v Mexico was amazing. Yeah, that was a good one with 10 men, yeah. We've got Belgium-Senecal, which was I couldn't believe that oh god that is crazy I could not believe that how's Senegal honestly I don't think they never get over that they never they never get over it they'll just have to just write that one down to okay because we'll never get over it let's just move on over here Portugal Croatia 2-1 last 32 Morocco won Netherlands won Morocco win on penalties and England France yesterday 6-4 yeah but that was that's not the same no I don't think we can count that we can't put that game in let me make a point about Saka with all this stuff.

33:57Stick to Football Hosts: You know, when players get interviewed after matches, and for the last four or five weeks, you're hearing about players like Kari Knox, Rice, and we're just getting feedback. It'd be nice if one of these players, when they're speaking to the media or on social media, just say Sack is a great example, because over the world, a couple of people are saying he's not right. He should come up maybe after a week or two and go, I feel great. I'm ready to go. Let everyone know, I'm good to go, because all we're hearing is going, is he fit? Is he Kari Knox? And then you get no feedback from the press officers.

34:25Stick to Football Hosts: shall we say with the English but why didn't a player just come up and go I'm ready to play every minute so I don't even the manager might go do you not think it was like the negativity around well they weren't right were they though I think we knew that they weren't right because of what's happened during the season Roy with the fact that they had these injuries yeah but Saka said yesterday he was good Saka said yesterday after the game I felt good and I was ready to play if he does that Roy and I don't just mean I'm not just talking about yesterday's game because obviously different pressure the jeopardy's gone and they all played there would be a freedom, obviously, 6-4.

34:53Stick to Football Hosts: France could have scored 10. England could have scored 10. Now, for a player to come out during the tournament, if there's any negativity, you're going, I'm good to go. I think that would be terrible on his point. That wouldn't work out for him with the manager because they're keen. Simply because he's putting a pressure on the manager. No, not on the manager. I'm on about the stuff in the media coming out. He's struggling. He might be feeling this. I'm going, no, I'm good to go. I think if he denies it, to be fair, I think that then he's effectively lying because we know that he's got a problem with his ankle or his Achilles or whatever it is that he's had this last few months but did he not say yesterday he feels good yeah did he not say that after yesterday am I imagining things here no no no so but John alright but there might be other examples through tournaments and we sit in the studios and we're going somebody might be struggling I know people put little snippets out that aren't true sometimes but it'd be nice if a player just came up and got all this concern about my fitness I'm good to go I can play every minute well yeah I was surprised that Rice played yesterday it's not having a good demand that's just saying I'm making it clear I'm good to go Do you think Rice wouldn't have played if Maynew would have been playing?

35:50I think, do you think Rice was brought in because one of them had to play, Rice or Anderson, because Maynew would have played if he wasn't injured? I think that's... I recall Maynew's stuff.

35:58Stick to Football Hosts: He got injured, what, in training? I don't know. Exactly. We don't know. And all these teams, they give obviously information to the media, but at this point, nobody knows anything about his injury. It's a mystery one. It is a mystery one. I was surprised that Rice was playing, especially he's having problems with his back. It's a neural problem. but wouldn't wouldn't Wright a great example Rice again everyone thought Rice was he ill a couple of weeks ago and then he was taken off the last game and yes everyone was surprised when he was playing in this third, fourth playoff but if he said after the game listen I've got a bit of a stiff back a couple of weeks ago but that's part of being a footballer having aches and pains it was quite clear watching Declan Rice he wasn't himself because he came off in two games three games he would never be taken off but one of them was like an illness thing that can happen the illness was in the last one he didn't train with the players I get that but never but sometimes put something out there even positive news even if you go listen I'm feeling an injury but I'm just going to get out there I'm good to go hey come on ok so what's the best game are we going Cape Verde or Egypt Egypt Egypt we're going ok excellent the best moment in the World Cup I think we all said it was the Cape Verde goal versus Argentina is there a best moment off the pitch or surrounding the World Cup that we're thinking you know what you've got to say it's like when Iceland done that Funder clap when Norway done when Norway done that rowing oh come on you it's just To see so many people.

37:17What were they doing? Show us what were they doing. Ro.

37:21Stick to Football Hosts: That's mind-boggling, that. Jesus Christ, together, all of them together. Our Scotland fans, have I seen them on a bagpipe? Everyone go, oh, it's a man. Can I play on a bagpipe? You can do that any day of the week. It was brilliant. Everyone quiet. There's a guy with a bagpipe. Scotland still in its own. I love that. Have they been told if they've been out yet? No, Scotland hanging on for three weeks more. Scotland been here longer than England. We'll see him at the airport tomorrow They better not be on my flight If there's a guy with a bagpipe My flight But everyone's Oh look at that Guy with a bagpipe The row The rowing I'm talking about the rowing I know but the bagpipe The rowing was amazing in Times Square It was brilliant It was amazing That was brilliant It was amazing In Times Square I love the rowing in Times Square Nice me too I love it Roy come with us It was amazing Come with us for the row In Times Square It was good You praise all these fans Listen Miss the Irish and the Italians Let's be honest Irish are the best Hey But everyone do And everyone go that's amazing it is at the start but like three weeks early going hey we get it you rode over here Jesus man it's that thing see that thing when they were going home and they had the plane with the road what's wrong why don't people leave people he said that he said that my group the plane that was rowing just sort of leave them alone I can't wait for my next trip to Norway that was my that's my favourite the rowing I like Rowan.

38:43What else was there then?

38:45Stick to Football Hosts: What's the other best moment? I did think of Rowan. Our best moments are in Brooklyn. You've dodged me the last few days, you know what I mean? Your family's all been like that. I was doing a lot of walking by myself. I had breakfast with you yesterday morning for an hour and a half. You didn't? I did? You were just passing and he saw me. He was like on a call, you know what I mean? Yeah. We did a thing with ITV together, you remember, for an hour and a half. I'm the impression of Nev having breakfast at you. Yeah, but if you're doing something with you. I'm Nev. This is me, Nev. I'm Nev, you're me.

39:12Stick to Football Hosts: Okay. he's going to be rich in a city sell sell sell bye bye bye it is it's true yeah I've got to go now I've got to go don't fit the towel around my neck that is Nev to be honest with the towel around my neck with your leggings on you're always talking to the you're always talking to the side of Nev's face when you're having a breakfast yeah I know what else is there what's the bad you dodged me in Brooklyn you dodged me mate you've dodged me the last you did I haven't dodged you because You've not even been on your phone. You've been proper. My missus took my phone off me for a bit. I actually just come to baseball Friday night.

39:49He said no.

39:50Stick to Football Hosts: Yeah, you're with your wife and kids. That's what he's done. No, no, boundaries. Cold boundaries. It's true, because when you had... I went for a game of pool last night by myself. It's very difficult playing pool by yourself. I played killer. I played killer by myself. You didn't go and play pool by yourself, did you?

40:08That would have been a sad. Yeah. Did you lose? You lost in the draw. There was an argument at the end of it, yeah. When your missing came over, I gave you a space because I, you know, boundaries. I'd still reach out to you, don't I? I wouldn't have been with my family. You played pool on your own. You played killer on your own.

40:32Come on, best moment in the World Cup. I just said mine. You've got the Norwegians rowing. I like that one as well. Any other moments that we think of? You know what, I liked when Belgium beat the United States. Because it ascended off. Yeah, I liked the article. Is it Article 27 or 17? You know what, I just felt like that's how football just answers all the foolishness. Because that was just crazy what was going on. It's almost like a sport child just being able to just change the rule, take his ball away and everything. It was really bad. So when Belgium beat the United States, I was like, you know, thank you football for just sorting that out for us.

41:07Stick to Football Hosts: There's probably our last World Cup together. What are you, you know? 62. No, no, you won't be going to the next one, will you? You're like Messi. Me and Messi are retiring at the same time. I think I'm going to... That's why when Messi was crying, I felt like I was going to cry. I did look over you and I saw you get a bit emotional. Did you see? I was getting emotional. What about the ITV studio? Amazing. Brilliant. Honestly, Macca and the guys, they've done brilliantly with that one. That was cool. They kept talking about, oh, we're going to do a really nice studio. and you think, yeah, okay.

41:35When you got there, it was quite brilliant. But when they said to me, it's looking over Brooklyn Bridge, I was like, yeah, little bridge. And then you get there. It's amazing. They did it. You don't get sick of that view, do you?

41:46Stick to Football Hosts: No, no, no. Brooklyn Bridge is beautiful, honestly. Every time. No, Brooklyn's been good. Excellent. Okay, thumbs up to Brooklyn. Absolutely, it's been brilliant. I'm going to miss it here. I might move over here. Give me another 12 months. You can come across. Need a few more, Bob. The biggest controversy in the World Cup, so I've got five or six for you here. Five or six. Somalian referee... Nobody does one or two in a World Cup in the American League. You feel sorry for that referee. I do. Somalian referee sent back despite having a valid visa. Scandalous. Argentina versus Egypt, VAR controversy.

42:24The goal where they're obviously in the corner with the foul. Balogun's red card reversal after a direct intervention from Donald Trump. Wins by a mile. The World Cup ticket price, Cristiano Ronaldo being allowed to play the first two games, having been effectively let off in the Simba. No, but that was sort of, I don't know, before the World Series. Yeah, but biggest controversy. And then the last one is the Iran treatment. Well, the Iran treatment is something totally different because that was just despicable in itself for sportsmen who are coming to play in a tournament treated like that in respects of the travel and the recovery and everything.

42:56It's obviously effective. I think that that should be something totally separate. That's just unacceptable. but I think if we're talking about from a football point of view on a pitch the red card the red card like the rescinded was absolutely scandalous in respect of game

43:14Stick to Football Hosts: oh it's despicable it affected the team though didn't it the players said that badly you wouldn't like no it helped them no it was no it helped them you wouldn't like that you wouldn't like that level of pressure on you where people think you're creating a lot of negativity around their squad yeah you're gaming the whole tournament no I feel you know what people don't understand and they have a very disrespectful to that real American football soccer fan who really is in and wants it all to be right and wants everything about the American soccer to be like how we have our football and they're bang on line they're embarrassed by that they're embarrassed by that I think on Iran and look you think about the American national it's got the land of the free and you think about the Statue of Liberty in the background and all the things and messages in America about tolerance.

44:02And you've got a country that obviously at this moment in time certainly hasn't got the same beliefs as America and they're obviously having a battle with them. But if you're hosting the World Cup, then you will unfortunately have to, for America... Give them the same opportunities as everybody else has. That's what made me feel bad for them in a way. But it's the Balogun red card. being rescinded was, it was everything wrong with integrity and everything in the game. To be fair, when you look at Donald Trump's comments about sort of what would be Thomas Tuchel's tactics of making Harry Kane into a defender, I mean, it's bizarre, because if you think about the statesman...

44:43Is it? What did it do? No, I was going to say, but the statesman-like nature of the President of the United States, and he's talking about football match tactics... He did say they were dropping back quite a bit. He should have gone up. His point wasn't good with that. get him on here what was he saying he said that he turned Harry Kane into a defender which I just thought to actually get involved in the weeds like that of life when you're actually to be fair in that position that was the only game he attended

45:11Stick to Football Hosts: was that the only game he attended it's Donald Trump you can't be surprised at anything he does because he does whatever he wants it's not really bizarre he says what he wants he does what he wants they gave him a peace prize Infantino. You know, it's really weird even seeing them both walking with the World Cup like, I'll carry it. No, I'll carry it. It was just so weird. And then at the start of the game, they brought it up. It's like he said, somebody bring it up. Let me have a look at it. Like, don't call it only. Where is it? Bring it over. Let me touch it. That thing. Let me touch it, yeah.

45:46I just don't like the way it's been here. I don't like the way it's interfered in the World Cup. Senna, how beautiful does that trophy look look? It's just gorgeous. It doesn't look amazing. Amazing, that trophy. It's just beautiful. It is beautiful. When you see it, it's probably when you look at it. You say you're not no-touching or something? You're not. No, you're not. Is that true, that? Only if you've won it. Only, like, heads of states and people have won it. It's the same with the Premier League. If you try and touch the Premier League, you've not won it. They can pack it up and just walk out.

46:12You're not allowed to touch the trophies if you haven't won them. I don't mind that. That's pretty good. I always say to people, yeah, you touch me and I'll touch it. Right, next one. Most annoying thing. I've got a list here. What's your list? Infantino on match coverage every game. I don't know where that's come from. Is that just looking to poke the bear? Are you there? A little bit, Barry. Thank you. Of course, in our match. What's it? Tipping in the USA. So we say that tipping. You know what they're doing now? Can I just say, let's do really tipping. Is it 18%, 20 % and 22 %? Yeah. And, you know, I don't know what to do.

46:46So I always give them 20. The other day I gave a tip. It worked out to$80. My missus was going crazy. She was always tipping that much for. I think the services were in there. You've got 18, 20, 22. and you've got custom tip and you've got no tip underneath. They're very low down. Really low down, you can't even see them properly. But yeah. And then the way they say, yes, you have to do this before, once you're paying, it'll make you feel bad. Hydration breaks is the next one. Jesse Marsh saying I'd rather beat us than them when Canada lost to Morocco. World Cup halftime show. Anything else? Is that just because we've run out of ideas?

47:20Yeah, we're trying. Anything else that's annoyed us during the World Cup? is it annoyance the calibre of some of the pitches are being really quite poor I'm going too far I'm trying to find something the entertainment wasn't great at half time was it I didn't think it was good if you think about the world I'm not a great fan of NFL the Super Bowl half time shows I've watched a lot of them on YouTube some of the memes they said I thought it was great Madonna bit yeah I thought it was great the Madonna bit with Ronaldinho and Ronaldo driving I thought it was

48:00Stick to Football Hosts: quite esteemed didn't it Justin Bieber whatever he was singing Justin Bieber done a song that was so low why didn't you do a song that's got to make people dance I thought Burla Boy was good the Super Bowl it's all my energy stuff it's the elite artists in the world you'd have thought they'd have had say pre-match was alright with Robbie why can't they do the half time show where it's Shakira was good Yeah, but she's very good. But why can't they just do it where it's the time, at half-time, 15 minutes? Why can't they just do 15 minutes, bam? They come on, 15 minutes. I'm going to take some. How long was it?

48:38How long was it in the end? 26 minutes, 27 minutes. From when they came, when they went out to when they came back. It's a long time. Yeah. Nothing should interfere with the game. No. These hydration commercial breaks, I mean, Spain, Morocco, Portugal's going to be hot. Do you think they're going to stay? Probably, yeah. I hope not. I think so, because they've made a lot of money and they're able to use it for advertising in that space. There is no way in those hot countries they're not going to be doing it. And we'll be doing it. It's here to say that is. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybet.

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50:18Right, we're on to the England Awards. I think most of them they'll cross over don't they really in some ways England's best player Jude Bellingham yeah the breakthrough star for England one that's Jed Spence do you think

50:33Stick to Football Hosts: he's done as well as I think he was that good it was Jed yeah it's on your mouth don't get me wrong but who are you saying no there's not many breakthrough that's what I'm saying it was said to break it through because remember Nico Nico yeah but Nico Anderson it was Anderson Anderson yeah we're talking about somebody that O 'Reilly He didn't start, but then he came in and all of a sudden he felt invaluable to everything, what we needed, but I'm very Jed-centric. I think he's caught the eye of people in this tournament, Jed Spence. I think he's caught the eye. Yeah, what caught me up is his speed.

51:05Yeah, yeah. When he got back for that tackle. I think Nico O 'Reilly probably would be, for me, the breakthrough star, though. To play 19 in a World Cup, first game. He's only played for City for a season, hasn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for me, I'd go Nico O 'Reilly. He's got a chance. biggest disappointment in the England Awards I mean obviously that last 15-20 minutes against Argentina isn't it yeah there'll be an autopsy that will go on for quite a while around that won't there yeah it should as well yeah it's a painful it should as well because you know the manager's the manager's talking about what's he say about our DNA yeah and keeping the ball and you know well then for me that's more talking about the FA that's a sad indictment on them and what they're doing the money they're ploughing into St George's Park, into the strategy, the national strategy of what we're supposed to be doing, the 10 million a year on grassroots.

51:58And he's saying that. He's saying that it's in our DNA. So they've got to look at themselves. And then you've got to think of yourself, well, we're getting a coach from outside of England, so we've got to look at the coaching side of it as well. I think listening to him say something about the DNA and the FA, we can't produce those players, and they're pouring in that money, and we have to get coached from another country. They've got to be looking at what he's saying, man. That don't make no sense to me. He shouldn't be saying that. Look, right, this is not sort of revisionism, because I said after Sven and Fabio Capello had managed England for six to eight years, no, maybe longer, actually, maybe eight to nine years, I said we can never, ever, I think, go back.

52:37If we're going to select international coaches and they're not going to do any better than the English coaches that we had, like Bobby Robson and Terry Venables and Glenn Hoddle, and obviously now Gareth's got us to semi-finals and finals. I just, I feel very strongly, but I do think Thomas Tuchel should see this out because I think he should definitely go and do the Euros. But I said after Capello, we had two unbelievable coaches that had dominated in sort of Italian football and done brilliant jobs, like unbelievable jobs. I just don't see how we could go back to having an international coach.

53:07That's not a Tuchel thing. It's nothing to do with him personally. But then people throw the argument at you of Serena and obviously the women's team. Yeah, close to the women's, yeah. And they've won, so you're a little bit... But Gal, he's, yeah, but we're talking about, with Thomas Tuchel coming in, and, you know, he's meant to be the guy. And when you listen to the interview, when you listen to the interview today, You thought he was the guy pre-tournament as well, didn't you? Yeah, but you think he's the guy, because, Yeah, because I think, yeah, because he showed the bravery in certain people he left out.

53:35We think, well, OK, we'll see how it goes with that. So you're thinking, well, he's brave enough to do those things. We saw the way he changed, he made some of the substitutions. We're thinking, whoa, that sounds, OK, let's say he's brave enough to do that. And then before the tournament, he was talking about being brave and going to play and being progressive and going for it. And then we saw what happened in the Argentina game. So if he's coming in to take us away from that and take us to the bravery place and it doesn't happen, then what was the point? What are we doing? I don't know. You're 10 minutes here from getting a result.

54:10Yeah, but I think we should have got a result. You know, we should have got a result because the way he was talking about it before and what we wanted him to come in for is to get us over the line.

54:21Stick to Football Hosts: He's managed 22 England games, 23. Yeah, but his mantra is to be progressive and to go for it. And our team didn't. Our team didn't. What do we think? I mean, look. The truth, we've had chats here. All the conversations we've had is we thought England would get to a quarrel. Yeah, we said so. So I don't know what the big inquest... We all thought they'd just come up short. Because it was so close. It was so close, Roy. It's not the last bit, it's the hardest bit. It's not that, I don't think it's that, because I think it's the way in which it happened at the end. I think against France, when we got knocked out in the quarterfinal in Qatar, I think everyone was accepting that you can lose that game the way we did.

54:56Yeah, we played well in that game. Yeah, we did. I think the fact that we lost the way we did in terms of sitting back, that shocked me. That's caused the problem and the sort of...

55:03Stick to Football Hosts: You were forced back. That's not a good idea. Yeah. Just quickly, what do we think September's going to be like? I think finishing third in the world and having bronze medals is incredible, by the way. And I do think the England players deserve a lot of credit for doing what they've done. I think that's the... They've become the third best team in the world. And I agree with you, right? I never expected them to get to the final. But well done to them. Do you think that when they lead the tournament, do you think all is rosy there? Do you think that basically when Folding comes back, when Trent comes back, if Palmer comes back, if these lads come back, do you think there is something there that could raise its ugly head in September this honeymoon's over isn't it yeah I think the problem is when they're made up in September there'll still be the energy and the questions the manager might receive they'll still be dragging him back to the World Cup and decisions he made instead of trying to move on and do Maguire Palmer all these players he left out do they all come back in obviously it depends how they're doing at club level if they're fit like Palmer would you bring Palmer back in forwarded you love Palmer I mean, we all do.

56:12Stick to Football Hosts: If they start the season well... Yeah, he's just one of the examples of players they've left out. If they start the season well, they're good enough to be in the score. It's not like you think, oh, sorry, you can't get it down. But would they be coming back in a bit like... I'd have thought that they would be a bit vexed. But what would happen with Maguire? Because he... Do you know what I know? He came up with all sorts, didn't he? It's got to be a bit vexed. It's up to the manager now, Roy, to get them back onside. Listen, I've made those decisions for whatever. You've got to get them back and make them want to come back.

56:37It is their country they're playing for. He's just the manager. Are you coming back to play for your country? They did lack leadership in the centre of defence that got them out of the box. Maybe Harry couldn't have done that either. Maybe he wouldn't have won that header that went over the top of John Stolmes. Maybe he wouldn't have got them five yards up the pitch. But he was more likely... Then maybe he would. He was more likely to have probably won that header and got them five yards up the pitch than probably the others.

57:00Stick to Football Hosts: Well, I want to know how deep he was defending against Wrexham yesterday. What happened? Did he play? Yeah. What was the game? We lost one against Wrexham. You have to with Wrexham's pace, you have to drop in.

57:21Stop it. We get to that very cynical end of Tordomus. We are. England's unsung hero.

57:32Stick to Football Hosts: Can I ask you something? Did you enjoy Anthony Barry's little... Yeah. Obviously the first one. He seems honest. You know what I liked about the first one? It's like I said, right, we want you to go, just be, just go and tell them what you... And then the first one he came up with was like, fuck you, no. Poor man. Someone went, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then Anthony just like, ease it down a little. He's the coolest jets. But you know something? Yeah. I liked it. He's the coolest jets. I quite liked it. He was good. I liked it. I quite liked it. Once someone said, don't matter. He could be the unsung hero.

58:01Oh, yeah? Yeah. Because, you know what? I think it's good that we've got somebody that comes out and lets us know what's happening. Are they feeling right now? what's going on and he done apart from the first one where he kind of just came and lit a bomb after that I thought he was perfect it was brilliant I quite liked it I think he's got to be can he be the unsung hero in that because I quite like him yeah we give a technique probably did you notice that Jude yesterday after he scored his goal went to Jordan Henderson he ran straight to Jordan Henderson yeah that was interesting I'm just wondering obviously Jordan's a big influence on him and a big influence on the squad because you've worked with him right but what would be the reason after a goal like that that he would have gone over to Jordan, do you think, and hugged him?

58:39It felt like it was symbolic. There was something about it, wasn't it? Yeah, something's happened. And you know what, he's running past, there's certain people thinking, is it me? You know, and he ran past. Yeah, yeah. The managers are like that. Too cool as that. But like, yeah, it felt symbolic because he ran and he's pointing at it, you know what I mean? It's like... Was he feeling for Jordan after breaking his arm or was a bit of that? Or has he calmed him down and worked with him over the last few days and picked him up and said, go and score a goal? Yeah, he's obviously... Obviously been a help to him.

59:08Because, remember, he was on the bench with him. He probably said, listen, if you get on there, you just go your goal. You just get your goal. Who knows, you know? Yeah, best goal for England? I think Harry's... Harry's against Congo. Probably. Bellingham's is a good one against Norway. Yeah, very good. You know something. Touch, take a win and finish with a left. It's either that or Harry's, that one. Harry's the one where he touched it. He's lashed it in. Lashed it in. I think probably Bellingham's. Bam, bam, bam, bam. I don't know if I'm Bellingham. Jude's taken all the honours for Ingers at the minute.

59:39I think maybe, to be fair, Bellingham's is harder for him, or harder for anybody. If you said, look, both are hard, but Harry's turn and then he hits it, which is hard, but to control it at full speed with a pass that was wrapped in and then control it again and then hit it with your left, probably give it more difficult. Yeah, probably go away.

1:00:00Stick to Football Hosts: And to go away from the defenders. But I told you, when someone passes you with that pace, it's easier for you to deal with it in a strange sense because obviously if you take a good touch it is going away from the defender. If it's slow you're waiting and the lads are closing you down. So I think the speed of the pass certainly helped him. The touches are good because... You mean Norway? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The touches are very good. And England's best moment? Dan Burns had her? No, you can't be doing that. Against Mexico? You can't be doing that. What can we say? What's the best moment? It was their performance against Mexico, wasn't it?

1:00:34Stick to Football Hosts: The whole build-up and... Wonderwall? Hey Jude? I don't get that. The rest of them, no. That was nice. I don't get that. Everyone standing there was singing, just looking at the crowd. I swear. I thought the ITV rap party where the team was singing Hey Jude on Thursday night was good. Was they singing it for Jude or was they singing it just because they were pissed off? No, they were singing it for Jude. I think they were singing it for Jude. I genuinely think they were like... We weren't happy with the music that night. I left, I had to go in there. The music was very sporadic and wrong. They got it wrong.

1:01:11There was no flow. You ought to see any faces, but do you know something? They were giving it a right... I do genuinely believe Jude is absolutely loved in the country. I believe he's loved by people and loved by fans. But can I be honest? You're not. Can I be honest, though, Roy? You see the song, Hey Jude, right? When you're at a party in a do, and you're at that time of the night, what we was and you put that on regardless of Jude Bell people are going to sing Jude Bellingham people are going to sing like that it's that kind of song I'll tell you now though you don't put that song on in a ITV rap party unless you're doing it for Jude no they put it on because of him of course they did we were managing not we the team were managing the actual recording of course they were I can't even remember it I can't even got it now I didn't join in did I you joined I saw you singing no I did not

1:02:00what a world cup it's been across the tournament £375 ,000 and ITV7 jackpots have been won by players taking on the challenge. There's still plenty more to play for, though, so if you haven't already, download the ITV7 app, keep making your predictions, and good luck. 18 plus T &Cs apply. Oh, golden ball. Not including today. What's golden ball? It's best player, isn't it? And it dates back to 1994, because there's a player on here that's won it twice. Last seven World Cup golden ball winners. Yes. Zidane. I'm just trying to hold down. Zidane must be one, is he not? So. Caesar. Mbappe. Do you want to lock that in?

1:02:43No, he looked like he was trying to find it. A golden ball? No, no, no. What's a golden ball? No, best player in the tournament tournament. So Rodri won it today.

1:02:51Stick to Football Hosts: Oh, OK. Rodri. Zidane must have won it shortly, has he? Zidane. 98. Who'd won it? Zidane.

1:03:002002 we were in the last. Zidane, I'm good. 2002, Ronaldo, eh? Or Ronaldinho? Ronaldo or Ronaldinho, 2002.

1:03:06Stick to Football Hosts: How would you reckon they got them to do that stuff at Madonna today? Money. It's true. Absolutely. Simple as that. Absolutely. No doubt about it, money. Right, 22 must have been Messi. 100%. Yeah, Messi. 22, Messi. Locking that in. Good show. Messi. I want to say Zidane. I know Messi. Messi was 22 and 2014. Zidane. 2014, Messi. Locking that in? Yes, I am. Oh, Zidane is correct. 2006 R9 Ronaldo R9 R9 Ronaldo Correct 1998 There's got to be a couple of dodgy ones Right well I think here must be Here must be Ronaldinho They won it here Brazil Yeah Ronaldinho Locking that in? Yeah Ronaldinho Yes So who's up front with him then?

1:03:52Ronaldinho Ronaldo Rivaldo But is it him or Roberto Carlos Or Cathy? So have we We just lost a life? You lost one This is Brazil, isn't it? 2003. Zidane didn't win it in 2006. He got sent off in the final and he still won the Golden Goal. They deserved a flag. 2010. 2010 here was Spain. Is that going to be Iniesta? I think it could be. Iniesta. Yeah, I think it could be. Iniesta. Yeah. Iniesta. No. Did you say Iniesta? We didn't say. We didn't say.

1:04:22Stick to Football Hosts: You said you didn't say you're locking it in. I'll let you add that one for free. Right, because you didn't say you're locking it in. I agree, I agree. Do it properly. 2018's here, then. Who's 2018 the best player when we went to France? It's France-Argentine. No, no, it's France v Croatia. Was it Modric? Could be Modric, yeah. Pogba. I think it was Modric or Pogba. I think Modric. Yeah. Yeah, we got Modric. You're locking it in? Yeah, we are locking it in. It's correct. Yeah, it's good show now. Well done, Modric. Good show. This is 2010. This is the year that Spain won it. I think Iniesta. Who was in the semis?

1:05:02Can you remember? No. Diego Forlan. What year is that? You're locking that in? No. I want to say Diego Forlan because I remember... OK. You know why? Because I remember he had a poor season and then he had a really good World Cup. He could be right then. What year is it? 2010. No, Forlan. Diego Forlan. You're locking that in? Yes, man, put it in. It's correct. Thank you. I remember he wasn't called it because I was thinking... Well done. He got a big move after that, didn't he? 94. He had a little real, didn't he? 94 here. I think that's Romario. Yeah. They won it into Brazil. Romario on me. In what 90?

1:05:41I think that's Romario. You remember him. Reiki.

1:05:44Stick to Football Hosts: He was Reiki. I wouldn't remember him. I'd just be in the garage. I know, Romario was the man. Romario. Romario. Like on that end? Yeah. Correct. The best player I ever played against. These two here. The best two players I ever played against. These two. One more, and it's 2002. 2002? Mm-hm. That's the Korea, that Japan World Cup. But that's Brazil again, isn't it? Was Italy in that World Cup? Germany. Did Brazil win it? 2002? Yeah, did Brazil won it? I said no. He said that they... I think it would be Rivaldo, you know, or Cafu, or Carlos. Who was in the final? Was it Holland? Was it Bergkamp?

1:06:26Stick to Football Hosts: No. Was it Holland? What's he talking about? I had this argument before. Is there a sending off? Was there a sending off in that? I don't know. That's not a kick in the chest. Did Holland get to the right? Yeah, is that where? No, that was the young... Oh, it could have been. No, that was 2006, was it? 20... That was Spain. That was the Euros, wasn't it? That was the Euros. I'm trying to think... Was it? I'm trying to think. Is it not in Italian? How many lives have we got left? Two. I don't think we're going to get that one. And this is what year? 2000? 2002. 2002. Two. Will we kick ourselves?

1:07:01You kicked yourself? I don't know. Who did Brazil beat? Who did Brazil beat? He has been answering the 18-7 before. It was Germany they beat, wasn't it? Just the goal. No, who played in the final? Well, South Korea were in the semi. Who was in the final? It was Germany in the final, wasn't it? I'm not sure. Brazil and Germany. Because I remember he told me. Cross had a goalkeeper that I was arguing with last week.

1:07:30no I don't know and I've got a mind blank about 2010 2010 was a tournament sorry but who's in the final sorry I've asked how many it was definitely who won it 2002 it was Brazil won it Brazil beat Germany it beat Germany right so in 2002 Ronaldinho's goal goes over David Seaman's head do you remember Balak no I can tell by the way he said his eyes went there do you remember it's that tournament so England got beat the quarter-final off Brazil, didn't they? Who was the striker? Who was the striker we mentioned last week? The German striker

1:08:01Stick to Football Hosts: who got loads of goals. Closer. Miroslav Klos. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Miroslav Klos. I feel it in my bones. I don't like it. Right, Klos. I don't like it. Are you locking that in? We might as well. That's not right. Incorrect. It's not right. It's not him. Stop saying that. You're locking it in. What about his mate Muller? What about his mate Muller? Was it a German? He's been an answer in the ITV7 before. He said that twice. Yeah.

1:08:27No, because that's too easy there. It's a really rubbish clue.

1:08:32Stick to Football Hosts: Yeah, it's obviously your team. Oh, no, I think it's goalkeeper. I think he'll be a goalkeeper, maybe. But then he would have got... Would he get to play or he'd get to Golden? Is it Edmund van der Sar? Was it Holland? No, I don't think he got to the final. It was Germany in the final. Against Brazil. Why is no one listening to me? I feel like that woman in the fast show. No one listens to her. And she gets all the right answers. Who said that? what's his name what's the Real Madrid midfielder German midfielder Philipp Lahm Schweinsteiger no so back in 2002 would have been Schweinsteiger Balak 100 % I don't think it's Balak Balak's not been used before by the way as an answer what's his name Balak's not been an answer before did he score a winning goal in the World Cup final no you said a player that was there for Real Madrid but was that way before him before Schweinsteiger would have been then he would not want it we're not getting this one I can get you the German team from that era because we played them in 2000 in the Euros and I think 2002 we'll have played them in 2001 with Kevin Keegan because they knocked us out of the group so that German team would have had in it some of the players from 1999, Bayern Munich we played Bayern Munich around that time with Owen Hargreaves in it when they won the quarter finals Salah Medici what's the big massive winger that I used to play against big striker they had I'm not saying it's him remember what was his there Jürgen Kola people like that you know what I mean maybe there's maybe there's Balak Balak's the one that's the star player because Balak in 2002 was that the year we got knocked out by Leverkusen I don't think and Balak was the player for Leverkusen before he went to Bayern who else was in the midfield with Balak Balak's a good chump to be fair Balak is the only Balak's the star of that Germany team in terms of we've only got one left Balak Balak is the star of that Germany team but we've won the money anyway haven't we yeah Balak yes you've won the money for Joe okay we're going to go Balak are you locking that in are you locking that in yeah it's wrong it's incorrect and Roy you were on the right lines because the correct answer is Oliver Kahn oh wow it's the goalkeeper so he must have won Golden Glove because we mentioned him the other day and he'd go see my issue was if he'd won why did I go back to Balak this episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybet well that is it Stick to Football done for the World Cup and have a season how has it been during the World Cup for the podcast been good yes in record breaking numbers apparently it's our best six weeks well done seriously can we say thank you to people for the Gary Jesus Ian you say thank you to everybody Everybody, thank you very much for tuning in.

1:11:24It's been a tough one for us. Well, it hasn't really, has it? It's been a good, enjoyable one for us, but doing these have been good in this nice little... Excuse me. We should do a tour at the end to show everyone kind of where we are. Thank you very much for all the support. Take them outside. Show them Brooklyn on that door there. Can we take a camera outside? Thank you very much, everybody, for your wonderful support. We appreciate it. You're the best. Thank you. Well done, Ian. Well done, Roy. Well done. Good stuff. Well done, team. Well done. Well done, Kira. Everyone come in. Come in, everyone.

1:11:58Roy, you're the best. You're the skipper.

1:12:00Stick to Football Hosts: Everyone come in. I'll take a picture of you first. We're getting better numbers, or Jill and Jamie, is that what we're saying? See you, Jamie. Hey, Beth, look, I've got a present for you. Beth, this is for you, because I love you. Nice one, everyone. Well done. Good job, team. Good stuff. Brilliant. This has been a Global and the Overlap production.

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