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2:09Hedda! Out of five. When you're good at sports, you're good at most sports.

2:19Yes, right here. Yes.

2:31Can Arsenal win the league? Will Arsenal win the league? Can I just say something, one sec before you say it? Because like I said, I mentioned we were 17 goals behind them. If we can get someone that brings another 15, it's yours. I'm happy with 15. Saka, but then you're saying no one else is going to score. Righty. No Arsenal player scored 10 goals last season in the Premier League. And I think Zubomendi coming in will release Rice, which means he could score 12, 13. He could easily score 12. Saka can easy score 12 as well. You love Rice. You love Rice higher up the pitch. I love Rice. He has to play higher up the pitch.

3:05Love Rice. And Mikel Arteta knows that. What did you say? Or else he wouldn't sign Zubimendi. Exactly. You'll see it with Zubimendi when he comes in and sets the ball off the back. I've already seen it. You'll see Rice move forward into a position where he needs to be. I've already seen it. Anyway, will Arsenal win the league? Oh. What did you say? No, I don't think it will. Will Arsenal win the league? I don't think it will. No, no. Forget want. Will Arsenal win the league this season? Yeah. I'm going to say yes. Are you going for Arsenal? Yeah. You know what I think? I go back to Liverpool. Liverpool on a bad day will still score two goals every game.

3:36Even when Liverpool are off. You always think Liverpool will score three. How many times? Even the Charter Shield weekend you might go Liverpool are getting... They still score two goals. They score two goals every game. I still fancy scoring goals. When you're scoring two goals on average a game more then that's hard to stop. As good as a key I still fancy scoring goals. I just think when all the new players come in. Last year it was different. So if you're playing for Liverpool you expect... You said Arsenal are going to win the league. I'm going with Arsenal. Yeah, cool time. We finished second three times, bro.

4:03And why should I go somewhere else? I predicted the last three years. Did you predict the last year? Well, stop predicting us. You're a jink. Stop it, can't we come second? I think that we've added stories. You said Liverpool before. No, I said if Liverpool get them players, but I might throw. I think Chelsea look good. Oh, my God, Jill. Have you seen you think all? No, Jill. She's through it. Jill. She's through it. Chelsea, they've just won the club. Just off of the goalkeeper alone, they can't. Unless they bring a goalkeeper in. If you look at their positions, if Rhys James is fit, I think he's the best right back in the league.

4:39I do. Cole Palmer, I think he's the best 10 in the league. You've got Pedro. I just think they've got, I do think they've got a good team. I think they'd close the gap and make it a top four. Wouldn't it be great if they won the league? I know exactly. I'm going to replay this clip. I love it. We let it out. Not with that goalkeeper as well. I think Arsenal... Not with that goalkeeper. I think Arsenal can win the league, but they've got to change slightly. I think they went almost... Did those two players not change them, though? Zubermain? No, but yeah. They've got to almost change the style.

5:08We said this a lot last season. It was very... Those two players were wrong, then. Yeah, and that's the whole point, but it's still the manager. What do you mean? Like physical, you mean? No, what I'm saying is, he's become a guy who wants total control on the pitch. They're best defensively in the league. And we used to always say, didn't we, oh the best defensive in the league I actually think he's the other way around now the team who got the most goals are on the front foot and I always felt he'd almost started here you know he's almost a Pep Guardiola coach and slowly as time had gone he's got a big powerful strong direct team set pieces and I think it's just gone too far that way I think Zimmerman needs to kind of he changes that so that's why he's got to pull it back a little bit with a more in control in terms of being on the front foot how many games did they draw when they were winning 1-0 and concede but that's the thing that's what we need they've got to go on and score the second will Arsenal win the league no because I think the reason to say that is I think there'll be that much pressure on them even their own fans everyone's a bit like he has to win I think they've got to be careful with that Arsenal putting too much pressure don't write City off will Arsenal win the league no no I don't think you can write City off though have you seen that Reign does we'll come on to City we'll come on to City we're going to touch on Manchester United next they'll win the league they'll stay up definitely that's a retro iconic Adidas the Shamrock on the side they've kind of gone back to that now these were just bits I picked up last night and obviously there's a United one from the cup final again and that show's iconic though isn't it no no but again this is what year is this again you're 99 of course but obviously I go off injured after it so you're looking at cup finals in the high but again you go off injured after a few minutes you get a bad tackle on me losing cup finals are you playing with Ireland did not have a zip on this one Did that show you stuff lit?

6:53Zip. And do you know, I was looking at stuff last night. It's amazing what stuff you come across. I've had like a bit of lit. Because you think of all the years you've played football with, especially at United and the connections you make with people. It's massive. We always say football is about good people. But the sadness of football, remember poor Jimmy Davis? Jimmy Davis who passed away. Found that last night. I went to the funeral. Kath, obviously Kat a few months ago. Oh, see at the club. Yeah, Kat passed away a few months ago. So you've got a young player passing away when he's younger.

7:18you've got Kath who's been there how many years at United left? was it? 50 40, 50 years and these are just pictures it was nice they opened the training ground the other day and they actually put a memorial of Kath yeah I saw that but you've got Kath who's been there a long time and then you've got a young player losing his life 21 and then photographs here people have come across in there yeah see that black and white one yeah that's it when I get in a trophy with a rock one all these little memories people don't have photographs anymore it's all in your form and do you know what I found a couple of old contracts your contracts A couple of my United contracts.

7:48Are you happy? No, you can have a look at it. My wages are on it. I've no problem having a look at it. If you look at the wages on the back, I don't know what year that is. Wow. Your wages are good. I don't know what year that is. Okay, he's facing this one, Drew. It's really strange. Wow. So just, again, I... Which one is he? Is that... What year is that now? It's really strange. You see when people see the contracts. I'm going to give you the details. Yeah, I don't mind you. This is a contract that was signed in 19th of July 1993 with a basic wage. Sorry, I'm lying. And you're reading it. The player's employment began in 1993.

8:20So this is Roy's contract that he signed. When I first went to United? He signed a contract in 2000 for 950 ,000 a year, which is 20 grand a week. Yeah. Is that including signing on fees, Nev? Is that just your wage? It's just basic wage. Right. So you've got to sign on fee on top of that. Yeah, I'll have a look inside. But then you've got the contract that was signed in 2003. Sorry, there's a short-term contract, looks like it, to be fair, which looks like this month. So I've obviously signed an extension. Yeah. So there's a contract that's 950, then there's basically a contract for 2.75 million a year in 2000 to 2003.

8:55Was that when you were...? Maybe, but that's what I think... What's that one? That's my last contract. Never have a look at that one. Signed on fee for a million. Wow. A million signed on fees? Oh, was that what I want? Was it a million? 3.75 million a year. Yeah, look at this one. I think that was my last contract. It's gone from there to there. I read that one. I read that as a£1 ,000 signed on fee. It's a similar... Yeah. Is that a renewal, that one? Yeah, you've renewed that. So you've gone to£3.5 million per annum in 2003 to 2005. Yeah, but when did he start there? And then they put your wage down.

9:23Yeah, because then you're saying you're getting older and the incentives are to play more. Yeah, they did on that to me in the last year, of course. Wow. So the incentives then is to obviously make sure you're playing. Do you get taxed on a million on non-fee? So Roy's gone, of course. Yeah, of course. This looks like it's an extension because it's 9-16, so it's like part of a year. Then he's gone£3 million,£3.53. Yeah. But that's not sign-on-fee. There's sign-on-fee's anything. Sign-on-fee inside of this. You see those? A million pounds a year, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005. So that was my last contract beat United.

9:51A million pounds signing on, Faye? Oh, my God. You told me yesterday, not that you need to put it out there, but you told me what you earned yesterday, and I thought that was when you were underpaid. That's double what I was earning in my last contract. But he's three times the player. I've been sure I changed. He left seven years after me. I finished on 2.3. Wow, girl. In 2011. You were underpaid. No, to be fair though, I just... No, no, no, I'm just saying... Right, I didn't negotiate my contracts, I just signed them, I wasn't bothered. Whatever they offered me, apart from one with Peter Kenyon, whatever they offered me, I just say, that's fine, no problem.

10:28I don't have one with Peter Kenyon yet, that deal, yeah. Peter Kenyon, to be fair, I had a haggle with him, because the reason I haggled with Peter over one contract was because I'd heard someone else in the dressing room, I can't remember what it was, had got like 250 grand more, and I just thought, no, I'm the same as them, just give me the same I don't want more I'm not being awkward here so why don't we just think that you heard something in the dressing room but someone told me basically that they'd basically been offered 250 grand more so I just said to be fair just don't take the piss out of me you know what I mean I'm out of the piss so basically I just signed I signed a five year contract a seven a six so I signed basically and this was by the time I was 30 I think from 31 I was like literally getting one year contracts towards the end but I signed something like 15 years of contracts in this place for about five or six years I thought the piss was about me Yeah, I'm just saying.

11:14But your wage, Roy, your wage that lasts is four and a half million a year. Yeah, but the difference with me, if you remember, a couple of times my contract was running out. Running out, yeah. Because that four and a half million at the time that Roy signed in that period was when he was having, obviously, the... I done my cruise ship. When I came back to my cruise ship, my contract was running out. It's high. And I did want to wait for me to see if I came back. That's the highest wage, I think, at that time that Man United would have ever paid by a mile. He would have been double, deservedly, he'd been double everybody else in the dressing room.

11:38Yeah, but I was all kind of strangely accidental. It wasn't me being clever. It was just that when I came back to my crew, United let me his contract. So what, will Giggsie have been on the same card as you? I was trying to free accidentally. And you know, I went, oh, he's back. Giggsie scolded towards the end. They went to another. No, they've been big money. Did people take you for granted, though, because you were loyal? Do you want to? Because I feel like they would never have thought you'd leave. I genuinely thought, honestly, I genuinely thought, I think I signed a contract for 1.5, and I signed a contract for 2.25 when I was like late 20s, and I just thought, that's more than enough.

12:07I'm fine. I'm not good with that. Yeah. You're not like that now, though, are you? I am, actually. I signed contracts for you. I did, yeah. Gary's got that vibe. You don't lose it. If you're doing it then, you're not going to not do it now. Even when you're in contracts with me for this, I tend to offer people what they want. When I was a player, and even a little bit now, I think if you're enjoying what you're doing, there's no need to get into a fight about the contract. You want to get as much as you can. We're all human. But I think I'm enjoying what I'm doing. It's a good job, yeah. You know what?

12:37I couldn't understand is that when you, like, with the Palace, I knew I was doing great stuff and he was just, he just didn't give it to me. Screwed you down. You have to learn. You have to learn to handle it, don't you? Can we all look back at contracts we've shown? I should have maybe tweaked that. You don't have a photograph. Sorry, I want to look at that. You don't have a photograph. Your family, the opposite of no one's in football. When you see your family after Wembley, you've won a big game. Is that your mum and dad? Yeah. Honestly. Oh, wow. That's a nice picture. That's actually enough, mate.

13:05That is. Yeah, brilliant. It's a good one Pass it back That's why photographs are so good to keep though aren't they Like people have to photograph instead of on the phone That's a beautiful Let me see you there I'm in a United top there but that's my brother's I think the Spurs one was sold out That's in a United kit there in the background Look Never know that picture How old were you then there than Roy? I would have been 13 maybe 13 or 14 Where's that Roy? after the game in the final? No, it could have been after any game. Which final was this one, Gap? Which final was this? Was it 99? No, I think that would have been I actually think that would have been the Chelsea.

13:47How mad that he's wearing that kit aged 13 and then goes on. Do you want to see that? I always think things like that is like mad. So you all think I was greedy but it was just accident. You got 20 grand for a car. What car did you pick? There you go. What year is that? Is that my first contract? 1996, 20 grand. 26 for a car. Yeah, but they just give you the money you've got. I can't remember. Oh, so do you not actually go and buy a car? No, not if you buy a car. That's just a contribution I think they give to you.

14:19What about when the away team have got beaten, been beat badly, and they go and see the supporters? This new thing, I'm kind of taking on games. And they stand there. They're just standing there. Clapping like this. They all stand there. And the crowd are going mad at them. It's a bit like, am I showing personality and character? how he stands in here getting like a volley of abuse. Just get down the tunnel. Get down the tunnel. And someone always ends up arguing. Jared Bowen did the question. Jared Bowen, yeah. Someone always ends up involved. Just clap and go. Clap and go. Clap and go. Right.

14:49I think I might have to make an apology. Why, what's that? Because we said the World Cup final was basically a... Golf? The Ryder Cup pushed it close, I thought, you know. I thought he pushed it close. That three days was incredible television, that. Unbelievable. And like I said, for three days. Roy's saying it was over after one. How bad were the Americans, by the way? Can I tell you something? Can we just talk about the Americans first, Roy, just quickly? They were so uncouth, bro. Yeah, yeah. I agree. It was disgraceful behaviour. And like, the thing is, that's America at the moment. Well, the apple don't fall far from the tree.

15:21Exactly. And that is where they are at the moment. You know what? You know what? One of the worst things about that, none of the players have come out and apologised for the way that they've acted towards the European players. because that will not happen at a dear manor. I guarantee you in Ireland in two years' time, it will never happen. It won't happen. But they were wound up and pumped up, Keegan Bradley, all of them, oh, this is New York, this is New York. And, like, we ain't got no problem. Those are the same good fellas, then. We got no problem with bantering, like, but in their backswing, shouting, like, you fat F to, like, Shane Lowry when he's getting ready to do his putt-in.

16:00It was just disgraceful. No football match, no sportsman. But did it put them off? Did it put them off? Of course it put them off, but they got through it. Of course it put them off. Rory told them to shut the fuck up. While he was playing, he turned around and told someone to shut the fuck up. That doesn't happen anywhere else. This is what I'm saying. The levels of strength for their mentality is something I can't even fathom. It's a brilliant watch. It was amazing. Rory said it was over in the first day. It was over after two hours. anybody who's watched golf know it wasn't over it wasn't over it was over after two hours of course it was and everyone's like oh you never know on Sunday you know something that last day nothing happened on Sunday that last day it was over on Friday after they started last day I think only one of them we got a couple of half matches yeah because they knew they could lose it Ian America could never win after two hours after two hours I can't believe I'm here in two hours I must admit on the Sunday on the way home from Newcastle Arsenal I was watching it for three and a half hours I have to say there was a moment where he thought this could be no it was never going to happen that's the way it's designed it's meant to be a little bit close but it's like football team you know we're four and they get one back you go could you jump that and we go no it's not going to happen we're four and up this is why this is why you put the players out you put out that's why you load it at the front with the better players and you try and put a couple at the bottom experience like Shane and Bob McIntyre I know all that I want to do that as well for that eventuality just in case it gets to a place where they because the Americans are much better at singles because they're more selfish and it's all about them.

17:27The English players and the European players are used to the foursomes and the four balls. I'm watching at home. Playing for someone else. It was over after two hours. I'm telling you now. I'm not going to argue with you. I'm not going to argue with you. You should have done a bet with me. I should have done a bet. I'd have won the bet. I'd have won the bet. I told you it was over after two hours. No, no, no. I would have won the bet because it was a better sporting event than anything I've seen. I thought it was one of the highest pressure environments you could put in a sport when you're thinking about the puts that were going in and the atmosphere.

17:54Can you tell me, right? I'm no expert in golf. I don't play the game, but I watch top-level sport. So you're sending pressure on these players because some people were shouting. Become a footballer and go to Leeds or Anfield on a Tuesday night, let me tell you. These guys play in big tournaments every week, so all of a sudden, they're going to be upset by a few yanks. These people are right in the... You know what? I'm not even going there because I know... You've got McIlroy. McIlroy's won all the big prizes. Do you think he's going to be upset by a few people? It's ridiculous. And then they get upset because of their partners.

18:25Let me tell you what you said to your partner. If I was a golfer and my partner was getting abused, I said to my partner, my wife or my girlfriend, going, just stay at the hotel, love. I'll see you tonight when I get back. Because you don't come to all the other tournaments, but guess what? You get a new outfit and you come to the Ryder Cup. Stay at home. You've got a lovely new outfit, you've got a new belt, a new handbag. And I'm going, I'm getting loads of stick. Well, go home. Right. We need to get Rory back home. And I guarantee you, they're going back to a nice hotel, you know what I mean?

18:54in a camp tent. You know why the wives are here? Oh, here we go. Go on, Nick Faldo. Go on. You know why the wives are here? Because it's meant to be a lovely sporting occasion where you bring your wife. But they knew that before it. They knew that, Ian. Are you telling me? No one knew they were going to get that much. Yeah, of course they did, Ian. They knew they were going to get something. No one could say they knew they were going to get that. They've been done for the last six months. Wait till you come to America. Of course they knew they were going to get abused. They knew they were going to get abused, but it was never...

19:21They thought... It was a football match. Rory McIlroy had to tell someone to shut the F up. Well, he shouldn't be swearing either, should he? Hey, I didn't see him signing autographs afterwards, by the way.

19:33On a mid-weekly's way of... Yeah,

19:40exactly. Listen, I'll give you that one. Thanks, Nick. Thanks, Nick. Don't call me Nick Farmer. I don't want to miss.

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21:51The bridge now, the bridge of sort of the interim sort of manager, if you like, and Michael Carrick being selected. What do we make of that in terms of, one, the principle of someone coming into the end of the season as a starter? when I was talking about people it looked like it was Ollie or Michael Carrick I did think Michael Carrick was probably the best choice not out of them two but if you're thinking about getting to the end of the season I think the interesting thing is they haven't called him they've not called him interim manager they've called him head coach till the end of the season but it almost feels like especially and fair play to him he's brought his own team he's got Steve Holland in they'll be worried about the interim head coach because to be fair usually means the players have got a reason to switch off thinking he's not going to be next season I think the interesting thing is this almost like I've got a chance at a job here did he bring Steve Holland in or was at the club maybe who knows there are the other issues Jim that might be gone on the background do you think if he does really well he's got a chance of getting the job look I mean to be fair I've got a lot of time for Oli a lot of time for Roode a lot of time for Michael Carrick I think the three great lads who to be fair I hope he does really well there cannot be any there cannot be any consideration that Michael takes the job beyond this season.

23:06For Michael and for the club. They should go for Tuchel. If he wins every game, look, we could be sat at the end of the season where he's done unbelievably well and we're always thinking the fans are up and they're in the Champions League places, the fifth or whatever. It could happen if there's a good run. And we could all be getting swayed with it. I honestly feel like at the end of the season when you've got Pochettino, Tuchel and Ancelotti, and I've said Ancelotti, I've said Ancelotti, I just feel purely because he's 66 years of age. He's got probably the best job in the world right now. He's probably got one job left at club level.

23:38What, to deal with the people upstairs at Man United right now? To be fair, if there's one person I think who's got the... He's probably got the patience for him. If there's one person who's got the patience, the composure, the experience of the Premier League, he doesn't care about the media. Even the fact that it's Manchester United? Look, for me, I'm talking about if it was United... No, if they want to... Apparently he plays that sort of way. The reason I say that, guys, Ancelotti for me is a manager let's say Ollie had come in and he got you know he can't quite get you over that hurdle and he got you sort of second, third Europa League final I think Ancelotti's the man then I think the energy that would be needed now to turn this club around and I don't think Ancelotti's that not that he's one of the best I just think Man United right now are a Europa League sort of level team where it's like that's going to take a lot of transferring those energy driving the club forward every single day to get them back up there it's not like we need someone to get us over the line I think it's Ancelotti would almost be the guy after that guy that's what I think Enrique Enrique could have played Simone I ruled out Enrique purely because I just didn't think he would come but isn't that bizarre we're talking about options you're ruling people out but United should be thinking let's try and get the best of the best Alonso he can't go there Roy, you say that, like I mentioned Tuchel.

24:59Tuchel's the kind of manager... Don't listen up on Bruno Tuchel. No, no, the reason why is that Tuchel's not going to listen to what's going on upstairs there. Has he not spoken to them before? Has he not gone for the job? Yeah, but they're messing him about, apparently. You know what I mean? But right, how Tuchel's playing currently with England, how Tuchel's playing currently with England with Morgan Rodgers, with Pace, with sort of, you know, on the right, they've got Madweke or Saka and they've got Gordon on the left. It does feel a little bit... We've obviously got Kane up front, and they've got better players than United have, let's be clear.

25:25but how he's playing with England currently, I know he's got two very good central midfield players in Rice and Anderson as well, but how he's playing does feel like something that could work at United. Ancelotti does play like a style of 4-4-1-1, 4-4-2. They're not going to be able to deal with a character like Tuchel. That's why Tuchel probably wouldn't get Man United because he's not going to just abide by what they want. He wants to do what he does. That's what they need, United. I think for now, most United fans will agree with the decision to get to the end of the season because of the managers who are becoming available.

25:54if they don't get one of the two or three big names at the end of the season, why wouldn't they just go for the person now that they were going to go for? They must be thinking that they're going to get one of them big ones. Someone who's in the World Cup. You wouldn't appoint a bridge now. You wouldn't appoint a bridge. You might as well just appoint someone who's like a go and get someone else now. I mean, who's going to become available at the end of the season? Well, it's all the World Cup manager you mentioned. I think the three that stand out are Pochettino, Tuchel and Antioch to me because they've got Premier League experience.

26:19And you're mentioning those because you think they're easier to get now, aren't you? And they're available. They're going to be available after the World Cup. Yeah, but surely that shouldn't... Again, if you're after the best, it's like trying to get the best player. It's meant to be hard work together. You said Eddie Howe, Roy, on Telly the other day. I mean, I like Eddie Howe as well, to be fair. He would be in the top probably four for me as well. If Eddie Howe got it, if he was available, then... The guys you've mentioned there, there's obviously almost a pecking order. But if you have an option, if you think you've got a chance to go, Man United should be, let's go for the very, very best.

26:46If you can't get him, obviously you go down. But I certainly wouldn't be ruling Eddie Howe out of it. I just think it's... I'm a big fan of Eddie Howe. as a manager. We're talking about lads coming into the Premier League. We look at the United manager just left and all his staff new to the Premier League. That's a big shock to lots of people. It's been a shock to lots of players who've come into United the last few years. It's nice to get somebody in who's an experienced manager, quite a calm personality. I think as well, Roy, don't you think that the appointment should be one that's a proper statement?

27:12Maybe. I get that as well. A bit of excitement about it. I get all that. I get that. Because they've had everybody, really, haven't they? When you look at the scale of managers, they've tried from inside. Isn't it strange, the noises that the last even few weeks, people say, do you need someone from a United connection? I'm not sure about all that stuff. No, no. I don't think that necessarily works. To be fair, when Amorim was sacked and you started sort of seeing sort of Michael, Oli, Rude, and I can't remember, it felt a bit sad, a bit like, we're here again. You know, we've done it twice before with Oli and with Giggsie, obviously, when David Moyes got, we've been here.

27:49Liverpool did it a couple of times didn't they with Kenny and you just think we've seen this movie before but I don't think there's any other option for them right now but if they weren't to get the manager in the summer I think there would be massive pressure If they weren't What's killed United managers over the last eight years they've tried everything David Moyes is a certain type Louis van Gaal and Mourinho are sort of giants of the European game they then got two fresh young ones in Ten Hag and Amarim they've gone for the old boy and all they've tried everything they've tried absolutely everything we've all probably at the time though maybe it's not a bad appointment so you just have to try and remove risks now like who can handle the media who can basically sort the dressing room out and not take any shit who can handle the owners and to be fair almost sort of get across them and say look I'm sorry that's not happening and deal with that and being there and seeing it and done it who plays the style of play I think it's important who sort of plays that idea that United at least fans will like to go and watch them and who's got Champions League experience who's got big club experience Tuchel Tuchel Ancelotti they have got They have got, frankly, they were all over the place, Chelsea, remember?

28:52He went in, they won the Champions League. I think Tuchel and Ancelotti, look, Eddie Howe now, with winning a trophy and actually getting into the top four, been at a big club at Newcastle, it's probably a step up, but still he has got that type of experience. I think Eddie Howe, though, it's like best man for the job or best job for the man. It's not a very attractive job for somebody to go into, like, really, is it? One of my other points, actually, Jill, at the moment, is to make it an attractive club for players to come to. I think Ancelotti and Tuchel probably would put a seriousness to it that would mean that players might think, OK, they're going to turn...

29:22If you put a younger manager in, I think United will lose out on a lot of players anyway, just generally. But if you've got Ancelotti there, he would encourage, I think, players to come. I do think Ancelotti encourages players, and they need that right now, because I'm not sure players are going to be queuing up at the top to come, unless there's someone there that they can believe in. Especially if they're not in the Champions League. If they don't make the Champions League, that's not a huge issue for the club in the summer.

29:50So, Neville, you're on 1.75. Am I reading that right? What year was that, Roy?

29:59So, when is that? That was 2009. That's my last contract at the club, but I wasn't... That was on... This isn't a thing. I think the sign-un fees are different. This is a contract, this one. It was 1.75 basic. In 2009? Yeah. You happy with that, James? No. You think he's underpaid him? Overpaid. Under. Massively underpaid. Oh, yeah, 100%. I always was. Why? No, but he's saying it, aren't he? Everybody's saying it. Jamie's saying it because he knows he's on double down, treble. He'd walk into his office, wouldn't he? Just tell him. No, no. I used to say, yeah, that's fine. No problem. Get on with it.

30:37I'm happy. Yeah, but you can do that now. Tiger Sports Management. No, but to be fair, you improve a little bit. Let me just have a look at that. Let's have a look. So it's one point... He's bullied you for 20 years. He should not be on that. No, no, Jim. Carragh. He got looked after the last few years. Oh, did he? Carragh. That's 2009. That's his last year, isn't he? Carragh, let's make the point, by the way. Yeah, when he wasn't playing. So the boss never did my contract with me at any time during my career. Never once. He had some say on it, Gary. Sorry. He never once offered me a contract.

31:03It was always done via... So are you saying he doesn't know how much you're going to get? Jamie, he didn't kick a ball for the last two or three years. He was on that... I mean, if you're not kicking a ball... He was officially retired in his last season. I was on... I was on the club for six months getting paid. I was on 2.25 because I got half a million. I can't find it in this contract. Oh, yeah, offshore. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Offshore. Yeah, it says here, right, in 2001. Let's say... I'm trying to picture your creation. 2001, so I'm 26, 25, 26. Prime. Just won the treble, prime. Prime, right?

31:37you're on 1.5 million listen I know it's a lot of money and all like that but a week so that's what's that 30 grand a week yeah so in your prime in 2001 you're on 30 grand a week I suppose what were players earning then would that be good wages then he'll tell you you're on four I wanted to tell you what you're on four yeah but I was a much better player I was I'm not debating I'm not debating I like the contract. But we keep saying, well, you kept signing long-term contracts. So you could never have a good bad in a position. I remember. Did you sign a seven-year contract? Yeah, six years, seven years, yeah.

32:15Why? Because he loves Man United. Do you know something, Cara? It was never a focus for me. He does. Do you know something? I never, ever once worried about the side of it. Do you know something? I thought, do you know something? If I can get to the end of my career at 35, 36 at Manchester United, I know I'll be all right. I know I'll be all right. And I won't earn as much money by signing these long-term contracts, but I thought, do you know something? That worked for you, Gary? My post-football career, I thought, being a one-club man, being at United was the right thing to do. Get into that post.

32:43When they offered me a seven-year contract at lower money, it was better for me than going for four years or three years at higher money and thinking, my contract's going to run out. Black yourself as a player? You get injured. I always thought in a more cautious way that if I got injured or if I got sort of... So this contract... There's nothing wrong with that guy. Look at you now. Look at us. Right, so just quickly. All this because of you, Gal. Just quickly, right? This contract here, right? So this contract, imagine this contract, right? I've signed for 1.75 million. That's basic though, Gary, isn't it?

33:14Is that including your sign-on fee? No, sign-on fee. I don't know where it is in there, though. There is a sign-on fee on top of that. Yeah, exactly, Gary. That's your basic. Just quickly. I then got injured in 2008, was, you'll remember, was out for a year. And my contract ran for another four years, right? I mean, I'm still at Manchester United at the age of 34 because I signed that long-term contract, because I was out of contract base, because I was injured for like... So your safety net was perfect. You was right. Yeah. No tactics. I had to get to the end of my career at United. I couldn't bear the thought, and it's not disrespectful to any other club, because it's an amazing club.

33:46I couldn't see myself in another shirt. I just thought it would have made me so unhappy. I just thought I had to get to the end of my career at United. Jamie, you the same? What did you earn at the end of your career, though? Double that? Trouble that? No. No, but I'm thinking you were Man United, you were the England right back. But was you double that? No, the most I ever earned, when you talk about your basic salary, I'm just trying to think now. So when we won the Champions League in 2005, it was just that time when I was due for a contract, so I went to about£40 ,000 a week, whatever that was, a year, but it was£40 ,000 a week.

34:25I'd have a signing on free for about 250 I had almost four 250 grand things so it was like a signing on free was one another one was one if we got into if we qualified for the Champions League so you were about 3 million a year and another 250 was for playing 25 games in a season which I always did I always played like 50 games a season and the other one was if I played 20 league games do you understand what I mean so you got 3 million basically is that what that works out yeah so and then during double what I was on. And at Liverpool, that would have been cash, obviously, wouldn't it? Of course.

35:01Double. And no cash. I've still got it!

35:09I've never seen a man carry as much cash as anyone. Why have you had so much cash? Showing people your cash. He's down by, isn't he? You've got so much cash. God, I don't like it. I've got a gig for you, mate. I've got a gig for you, mate. I've got a gig for you.

35:24But you never got paid as much, did you? If you come through the academy at the club, you never got paid as much as players come into the club. Wayne's been quite about contracts. Yeah, yeah, we get yours on the table. He's laughing at you, Gary, wasn't he? You might not want to answer this, but you also might want to take it out, even if you do answer it. What would your biggest contract have been at United? In biggest... Because I'm your teammate, basically, 2010-11. I'm on 1.75. I'm captain. Yeah, biggest... 17 million a year. At United? I think I actually got paid a little bit more. You say 1.7 or 7?

35:58Yeah. 1.7. That's amazing. Well done. Congratulations. Yeah, yeah. It's a different time, isn't it? More than Paul. Let's have a chat after. I think I need an agent. Do you know what? Paul's up there looking cool. All that stuff I said over the years about not needing an agent, you need a fucking agent.

36:2117 million. Yeah, that's unbelievable, Wasa. Wow. It was changing then, weren't it? Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I think so, yeah. I feel underpaid now, yeah. Roy, what was your biggest one then that you ever had at the end? Did you get up to five? Yeah, about five or five and a half, maybe, yeah. Yeah. And that was big. I mean, that was huge back in 2003, four, five. Yeah, but I got better now. I keep saying, but my contract was running out a couple of times, so I was in a good bag in a position, whatever. I could have left a couple of times on a three. No, the sound was working. He did say 17 million.

36:54He did say 17 million, yeah? I'm just checking if everybody's heard it right.

37:05It'd be nice to see Coventry back, wouldn't it? Yeah, it would be nice to see it back, yeah. Oh, no, I mean, Coventry, to be fair, when I first started in the first team, Coventry were playing. Darren Huckabit, Peter Aluf, Bobby Keane. Dion. Hatton, Dion, yeah. Brilliant. And when that wheel, was it the wheel, the big fellow up front? Hey, Bellamy was there. No wheeling. No wheeling. Remember Kilcline at the back all the years ago? No, who was the little winger? Have I gone back to Spurs? Bennett. He put the cross in the house. Yeah, that was Bennett. But there was also another little lad in midfield.

37:33Glynn. The little fella. I can see him with the black hair and the little moustache. Glynn. Glynn. Mickey Flynn. Flynn. Was there a player as well? Who's the midfield? It's Glynn. It's Glynn. No. Mickey Glynn. Mickey Glynn. No, no, no. It's not Sean Glynn. I think it's Mickey something. He's all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have we got any help? You know what? I was talking about, give him a clue. I described him as, to our James, because obviously before his time, you can't believe that Coventry were in the First Division every year. I said, they were almost like a palace. Yeah. Not a palace now. But you'd always felt, they'd never go down, but they were always in the middle.

38:12I was explaining the cup, we were talking about them yesterday, they were in the cup. I said, it's one of the most famous, probably FA Cup games that everyone remembers. When we went up, when Palace, when we came up. Sean Flynn It's not Sean No it's not Sean It's Mickey Mickey something We had to play some top team Gin Gin Gin Mickey Gin Mickey I know Mickey Quinn Mickey We came up We're Palace A little midfield player You know you look at You see Liverpool You see United You see Tottenham You see them names And then we saw Coventry We was thinking Ah yes at least we get a break with Coventry They were deep Can I tell you the story about Coventry The right back Who was the right back Who was the right back He played Hurrows No Right back Boroughs was left back What's the right back Boroughs was the right back Coventry Rose was left.

38:50He was a right back. What's the big one? Ryan's a right back. I was on a right back, ended up... I played with him up at Celtic. Or maybe I'm going too far back. Gordon, Gordon was there. Coventry was where Roy pinned me up in the dressing room at half-time, the only time... Oh, Jesus. Pin you up, Gary. Roy! You never forget a pinning. What for? I wasn't a pinning kind of guy. You like me, so you didn't want to hit me, but you wanted to know that you could hit me. What was it for? So, basically, the ball gets played out. Gary says basically there's a lie coming. Yeah. Basically. Let me be quiet.

39:25Mind my own business and he attacked me, your honour. Go on. So basically. So basically the ball gets played out to me on the right hand. Just before half-time, like 44 minutes. It's right on half-time. 44 minutes. The detail. Because he's traumatised, bro. Go on, Gary. Right. And basically I've gone to... I've took a touch to take it down the line and then basically put it in. and he said, play it in first fucking time. So he wanted me to play it in first time. Yes. I went, fuck off. What? Basically, he said. Because he comes up so fast. Anyway, it was just on the way. And I think he shouted at me like that.

40:02And basically, unfortunate for me, the half-time whistle. I needed five minutes. I was like, calm, calm, calm. Did you stay out on the pitch? I got in at half-time. And you just grab it. Oh, Gary, I don't believe you. Can you not remember? Because I don't think it happened. You're like Rory McIlroy. You make up these stories. You know what I can see you doing? No, I'm not pinning that. Because he said it. Because he said it so close to half-time. Yeah, maybe, yeah. That's quite hard for him to put the ball in first time if you've pinged it in. No, but I would have roared it. Gary got it. You give a time to pass to put it in first time.

40:43You don't have to pass. I'm going to find it fast. A opinion almost like, I got you, I couldn't move. A opinion's like... It's like a boy in your off, man. And then the whole of the second half, whatever, come in, you were just kicking it first. Oh, every cross in there and in was first time. It's the next ten years. Right, I want to draw towards... On Instagram the other day, and obviously there's a lot of hoo-ha around Bellingham, and I think you're absolutely right. There was a comment that you made off the back of a story that was brewing around Jude Bellingham being unhappy. He said, they need to create this kind of beef because there's nothing else to talk about till the World Cup, so it's going to be all the way to the World Cup.

41:24They hate that they can't get to him. They hate that they can't negatively influence his club career like they have done with so many before him. A blessed young man with talent and love in abundance. When you said they hate that they can't get to him, what do you mean? But look, his parents have kept him away from the Premier League. You know what I mean? He doesn't play in the Premier League. It kept him away from the journalists. They can't get to him through, like I said in there, through his club, like through a Real Madrid, so as they can try and taint the way Real Madrid's thinking and say, yeah, we're going to keep him in line and that.

41:56They cannot get to this guy. And this is somebody who is very much an achiever. He goes out, he's a winner. He wants to do it. He wins. What they said about Jude not celebrating that was complete fabrication of life. So what they're trying to do, they're trying to build something because England have qualified so easy. They've not conceded any goals. they've won all the games easy. So they need to have something else to pile on top of the, I don't know, the narrative. You know, you've got a manager who's very, very honest in everything. He said, we spoke to him, he's really candid in how he speaks.

42:26You know, and he said that, we asked him a question. I said, are you worried about, have any regrets about your honesty and giving so much detail? He said, no, because I say the same thing in there. So they know that, them journalists will know that and they will try to ask him something that he will answer that they can run with again. And I'm worried for Jude simply because he's somebody that they can't control. You can't control him. Obviously, coming off of the who else and what he's done in the World Cup, he's showing people that, you know, I'm here. I'm black. I'm proud. I'm ready to go.

42:54All that vibe is something that a certain man can't deal with. I agree with you. A personal experience, and I've spoken about this in 2016, that Raheem Sterling came to see me in the tournament and said that he felt as though he was being persecuted, that it was unfair and it was basically not relating to football. and I remember at the time me giving him a completely and utterly inadequate answer and I've spoken about this publicly since where I said, look, Raheem, it's because of your quality and who you are and what you are that they're criticising you. I remember they did this with Wayne Rooney, I actually name-checked him.

43:23They did this with David Beckham, they did this with Paul Gascoigne, the best players, the biggest names. But actually what I didn't read at the time, and to be fair what he was actually crying out and asking me for help for, was around the fact that this wasn't relating to his football performances, which it was with maybe yourself or with Gazza or with Bex. it was more around the colour of his skin and this persecution around how, if he had a car that was this and another player had a car that was this that was white, there was a difference in reporting of it. Do you think that is happening again in front of our eyes here?

43:51You know something, I remember saying, I had to do something for GQ not long ago, and I said, I don't think, as Englishmen, there's certain Englishmen, I'm an Englishman, I can't hide from that. Even though when I was younger, people would say, yeah, but you're not really English, are you? Yeah, I'm English. I don't think they're ready for a black superstar like that who can move like Jude's moving. You know, they can't touch him, like I just said. He goes out there, he performs, he does what he does. He says, who else? It's too uppity for these people. Something that they used to say back in the day, if you're a black guy or a black man who's...

44:23You know, I put it in a football term. So they love N 'Golo Kante. He's a humble black man, gets on with what he's doing. I'm not saying that he's an Uncle Tom or anything. Just saying that's how his personality is. But if you get a Pogba or a Bellingham and you get that kind of energy, that does not sit well with the people, that kind of person. So someone like Jude, for some reason, frightens these people because of his capability and the inspiration he can give. It's something that you're taught when you're, as a black man, when you're going out there, you just want to try and do the best you can and keep your head down and be, what, for want of a bit, a humble fucking slave.

45:01This is where this is coming, this is dragging up from that kind of energy. Because if you are outspoken black, and doing that kind of, playing to that kind of level and not caring, that frightens certain people. And that's what's going to happen with Jude. This guy who I'm telling you about in respects of the, he's obsessed with him, he's moving off of that energy. He can't look and see a black man doing what Jude's doing and think that that's not uppity. He's not an uppity n***h. That's where I'm going with that. That's where that comes down to. I mean that's some speech that righty and I think it definitely I remember with Raheem coming to see me placing it back into I was thinking right I've got to pick him up because he was low he was really low he was like he was down on for him to come because you don't know where to go there's no way and he had nowhere to go so he comes and sees me and I've not got the ability the probably education or the understanding to be able to give him the answers and the understanding that he was coming to me with I remember at the time.

46:03And it only actually, I only remember seeing, it was something on X a year later, where it showed an article, the articles on Raheem, where he had a car, house, jewellery, a watch, and articles about a white player and what the headlines were and the difference. And you could see this complete and utter bias that just right, you thought, now I get what he means. I only saw it a year or so later. But that's something that I can see at the moment. when it is happening with Jude Bellingham. You know what? Again, it's a tiring thing. It's a tiring exercise to talk about. And as soon as I... I sent a message to Jude, right, saying, listen, my friend, be ready.

46:44You know, I feel something you can feel. When was this writing? Before the England game. This just now? Yeah, before the England game. And I just said, just be ready. Well, it's good that you can help him, right? Well, the thing is, you know what? You know what the thing is, though? And I'd say, maybe, you know, of course it's private, but he said, ready for what? and I said, listen, it's coming, and I'm here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to make sure that I'm going to be on this side. Because what happens is that it just comes, and it just keeps coming. It's like a tsunami. And unless you play well and do something, and that just shifts it for a little while, because as soon as you play again and you don't play well, it comes back.

47:23And so he said, what's going on? I said, just be ready for it, and it's here.

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48:23So, someone bought me a Union Jack guitar because Noel was playing me one back in the and I used to like Oasis a lot and I was learning guitar. So there you go. So Dave Gardner and Bex knew Noel. So they sent it to him for me to sign it. They said we can get it signed. What's he say, girl? And this is the... Let me just take it over. Careful, man. Here we go. Dear Gary, how many caps have you got for England? How many do you think you deserved? I'll tell you. Fucking none. Lots of love, Noel Gallagher. That's 20 years old, that. Wow. That's 23 years old Why would he say that? At the time he was a Obviously he's a Mad City fan But this is probably 20, 25 years old Why would you say that?

49:04You know something Maybe he could have put it to the side a little bit It's a joke I think I take it in the spirit I hope it's a joke It's not a good joke Can I just say The fucking nun in capital letters Doesn't make it funny Oh man

49:25You play it now, have you? No, no. You can't play it? No, no, I didn't play it. I never played it. What are you thinking about? I've not even got it up right here. The way it was wrapped then, have you got that wrapped? Was that wrapped in your house? Oh, here we go. So that was wrapped like in my house, just literally, I don't have it up. I should put it up a little. Yeah, I was going to say. I don't have anything up in football. You see, I don't have it in my house. But when you do that, you've got to do it like you're going to, you do that, and then you go, right, is it something like music?

49:50It's a museum. Try to finger me. And this one's a little bit nicer, but you'll take the piss out of them first. Cara. Yes, righty. So I need to read this. So basically... Someone take this, Jesus. It's so rude. What's Bruce Springsteen with? So basically, Bruce Springsteen stayed at a hotel, at my hotel, and he hired it exclusively for, I don't know, let's say two weeks. And I did him a welcome note, but I didn't go and see him, I just wrote him a welcome note. So basically, I did him a welcome note, and he wrote me a little note back. I'll put it nice on the note. Thank you for the note. I don't even want it to be fair.

50:26What was your note? What did it say? So it's a bit soppy, my note. What was it? We do you a good read if you come back next year. Welcome to Manchester and to our hotel. We pride ourselves on looking after every guest equally and with care, but for you I had to write a note. Back in January 1985, a month before my 10th birthday, I was watching Top of the Pops at home and saw something different, something that made me fall in love with guitar music and it was dancing in the dark. The day after I ran into the bus stop to catch a bus into my hometown, Bury only a few miles from Manchester to the only record shop in the town called Vibes to buy my first ever album, Born in the USA, I was in.

51:02Me and my dad would listen to this record in the car all the time they were great times and I wish he was here to see you play live with me. I have no words for how good you are and how you make us all feel I will be with you watching on the 17th and 20th in Manchester and coming to San Sebastian in Milan I'd watch you every damn day if I could. Please enjoy Manchester, enjoy the people, and I hope you enjoy the hotel. All my love, Gary Neville. That's not soppy, girl. I love that. Why do you say that's soppy? Thank you for the note, and this is why I do what I do. Bruce Springsteen. It's my job.

51:32It's my job. No, this is it. Yes, it does. You know what you said? This is why I do what I do. It's my job. Bruce Springsteen, Royke.

51:46Is that where you got it? These two pletrums here, the nice story about this is, basically, Bruce went in the hotel, he had these pletrums in his pocket, and he went over to one of the staff in the hotel and gave them the two pletrums, I want you to have these for looking after me. And the member of the staff in the hotel said, I want you to have them. Beautiful. I love autographed stuff like that. Oh, mate. Yeah. So they framed it for me, the hotel, and presented it to me. That's cool. My initial reaction to the Ronaldo interview a few years back was similar to Cara's reaction to Salah. I would have said the same thing if it was United players.

52:20If you're a special player at that level, I'm not expecting you to be fair. I'm expecting you to lift everybody. I'm not expecting you to try and sort of create more problems. And at the time, if you remember, we disagreed on that, if you remember. Yeah. Because you saw it from his side, which was... I understand why these players do what they do. I didn't agree with it at United under Ronaldo, I suppose. My view was... Sorry, Gary, you go back to the Ronaldo stuff. I wasn't giving Ronaldo a thumbs up for what he was doing particularly at Brentford when he was taken it was at Brentford and 20 minutes later he's shaking his head I would say that about any player I'd say that about you but I'd also go you have to weigh it up like everything else in life Ronaldo the tantrums I'd have on my team every day of the week because these are the guys that get you this salas help Liverpool get over the line with lots of other players and because you're part of a club it's a club effort but also you're going it's like everybody else you have to take the good and the bad but if you're a manager Roy and that manager says that about you he's thrown me under but you're not taking that in the right way probably not but I also think listen he's won a league title last year he's helped us win a league title so you take this the good and the bad because again Gary the beauty we talk about people on here like Ronaldo we talk about all the great players even Gaza the reason why they're great is because there's a bit of fucking madness to some of them we had Ronnie O'Sullivan sitting there we were loving Ronnie Ronnie's edgy what you get with these lads I thought Leeds game I thought it was strange he didn't come on and I thought I can imagine him just sat down there on that bench I thought during the game, I thought, it's a bit weird.

53:41but if you look at Slott there, it's almost like a power thing because why are you not going to bring him on in a game like that? You think he was sending him a message, right? Yes, he was. He was. You're sitting there and I'm going to make you sit there. I don't agree. Honestly, no, I think you're going to sit there. You're not coming on. I'm not going to bring you on. That's only my opinion, James, because he could have easily defused it and brought him on because it's not like a game where you're winning 4-5-0. It's not about defusing a situation. It's about a manager trying to get three points who is absolutely fighting for life.

54:09If he knows his players like he does... We're talking about Mo Salah on the bench. I know. And we're talking about Liverpool being 2-0 up. You're not going to bring Mo Salah on a 2-0. You don't need a goal. It then goes 2-2. The only time we're talking about... Liverpool score five minutes later. The ball's only in play. I looked at this on Monday Night Football. The ball's only in play three minutes. So, OK, can he bring him on in that moment? But the guy who's in his position scores the goal. So he hasn't got it wrong. the guy who's playing in his position scores 3-2 he was never going to show his lie off though ok no no ok but the point I'm trying to make is you get to 3-2 ok you'll say ok and I'm not saying that's totally wrong because Mo Salah could go to the other end and get you a goal but Liverpool and the reason why Mo Salah is not playing right now is the three games before Liverpool lost 3-0 at City they lost 3-0 at home to Nottingham Forest and they lost 4-0 at home to PSV ok so the only thing the manager is thinking is defensively right now now as time goes on It'll be more about, we need to attack, we need to defend better.

55:04I either played him against Sunderland, because I'm saying, OK, I'm looking at the four fixtures, leaves them out against West Ham, I think, well, I'd always play Salah at home. Always. The team are going to be deep, he's going to be round the box. OK, and I was also thinking, he's probably not going to play my way at Leeds, he's probably not going to play my way into Milan as well. And again, probably thinking, you probably can't put him on the bench four times. But against Sunderland, OK, the game's awful. You bring Salah on a half-time, this game's awful, he brings Salah on at halftime what was really interesting after the game with Slot because I'm coming away from the Sunday game I've commentated that it's been awful he spoke quite well about the game about how strong Liverpool looked defensively and said it was only a deflected goal I thought isn't that a strange thing to say and then he did an interview with Pat Davidson saying in the last two games you've looked a lot stronger defensively so I'm thinking he's totally just through the whole attacking he's thinking forget the attacking this is about clean sheets we didn't concede at West Ham and we've only conceded a deflected goal at home to Sunderland so I'm almost then thinking okay I'm understanding he's not thinking about so he's thinking Mo Salah I'm not thinking of the goals I'm thinking he doesn't actually run back but Kerry what you're describing there is a squad player leaving him out at Inter Milan playing against Sunderland he's never going to accept that you're going to have a war on him bring the war on the most important thing is the team and the club and getting results and by the way ever since Mo Salah's been on the team we haven't lost right now and he's trying to build at almost some we need to get confidence back as a Liverpool team where we actually feel secure.

56:30Let him go in current mode. He's in current mode. And then we can go on and try and get the goals. Mo Salah hasn't played well. I keep saying this. He's one of the greatest players for Liverpool. We love him. Player of the Year last year. But right now, the most important thing is not individual players, is getting the team back. And that's all the managers do. He's not sending a message to anybody. But the debate isn't, Jamie, the debate isn't about, I think we're arguing about when he was left out, there was going to be, so this idea of the manager leaving him out of the team, the manager's entitled to do that.

56:58He's got results The argument is, when Salah's left out, get ready for fireworks. The respect of how you treat him. There's got to be fireworks when he's left out. How do you? How much disrespect? I would say the reason Roy and Gary sometimes disagree about Man United is because Man United always treated you with respect. For Roy, they didn't. And I do think that, like, were you ever left out by your manager? Somebody, like, I think when he says thrown under the bus, I don't even think it's about playing time. it's how he's been treated. Yous were probably never treated like that by your club.

57:32If you go through that, you do have a different opinion. I do think that. He thinks the same thing as well. I know, OK. How has he been disrespected? He's been on the bench, right, for six days. Yeah. Sunday to Saturday. Six days of his life. His whole Liverpool career has been three times. How's Slott treating them away from the game? Well, number one, we don't know that. Most Salahs said, I've got no relationship with the manager. That's what I mean. I know. The manager then got asked about it. He said, I spoke to him on Friday. I want to play the day before the game. Yeah, but he was in the office.

58:03He was treating him like shit every day. Like, you don't like... But you don't know that. But you don't know he's getting treated with respect. I know, but you can't say he's getting disrespected. I don't think he says that, Jamie, if he feels like he's being respected, though, in respects of, like... Respect and respect. Yeah, but you... But the thing is, it's because he feels like that. The manager said he spoke to him. He could have said... So if he feels like that, right, he's allowed to go out and just do what he wants. No, it's not. No, I'm just saying that... But you need to be fireworks on his lap, don't you?

58:26It's the level of reaction. We're not agreeing with Salah, but you're going, as soon as you leave Mo for two days, even if it's six days, he's going to react. That's why I've just said, when I'm looking at it, I'm thinking, OK, you're probably playing Mahomes against Sunday. Because for me, I wouldn't play him away in a Champions League game right now. I wouldn't. I've said that all season. I'd always play Mo Salah at home. And some away games I'd look at and think, no, that's not for me. And you're saying you can't leave Mo Salah. Well, you can. And it's more that the team's... Well, there's a consequence.

58:51as a consequence of that. He's not the Mo Salah of last season, is he? He's not, we know that. And the manager has prolonged it and prolonged it before he's left them out. Let's shift it forward. You're saying that... By the way, I just want to make one other point about him coming out and feeling disrespect and just like this. And I made this point and I'm glad I said it a few weeks ago. The thing why I was so strong on Mo Salah was, because I don't think it's an emotional outburst, number one. But number two, Mo Salah never comes out as one of the leaders of the team. You're saying how big he is.

59:21You can't leave this player. You can't leave this player. He's so big. He's such a leader. He never speaks for the club. Have you said that? No, you're saying... I never said... You're saying he's such a big... Because of what he's done. His numbers, everything like that. What I'm saying is he's seen as a figurehead of Liverpool alongside Van Dijk. You never... Exactly. Have you heard Mo Salah speak at any time this season when Liverpool haven't been getting beat or not doing well? Not about his own position. Not about whether he's getting enough service or he's playing or he's getting brought up.

59:48About the team. I expect and I'm sure you two did this at Manchester and me and Stevie did it when things are not going well I think your job as a senior player is to come out and speak for the club and not let other people speak or younger players and actually send a message out not about yourself to the supporters to the club we're together we're going to fix this right and actually take a bit of shit off the questions I would have expected you to say what you said on the first time No would you expect Mo Salah to come out and speak for the club or a senior position in that position and he never ever does it's exactly the same view I had with Cristiano that I view that if you're the greatest player in the world or one of the greatest players in the world, you should carry the dressing room.

1:00:24You shouldn't expect them to basically sort of, you know, pander to you or whatever it may be. But the problem we've got here is that Mo Salah basically is now going to be left out. And you said yourself you wouldn't play him in Milan. You wouldn't play him away wherever else. So he's become a squad player. That's only going to basically end in one thing. That means... OK, so you're trying to tell me you're a man and you just play him every week because you think, oh, I can't put up at the ass level. Carrot, Carrot, there are certain players that I saw at United that if they weren't playing, it was going to end very badly, very quickly.

1:00:52You know about memories, stat? No, do you? It's really weird because... That's so cool. When you look at it, you can actually see them walking out now. I remember this button was undone, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me undo that. So that's the FA Cup final against Spurs. That's the Cup final against Spurs, yeah. You wore long sleeve, Roy? Yeah, I think we didn't have a choice. I think at Forest when I was a bit younger, I think. How old were you, Roy, in that Cup final? I would have been 19. Wow. 19, yeah. Is that the size of it? that must have drowned you yeah I've got long hands no no it wasn't too bad but you look at jerseys I was looking at some United ones last night going they seem big yeah but obviously what's the ball like the first one the journey about getting to Forest that was my first opportunity then Cup final you think it's great then you lose the Cup final so you're on that you're on that what's the one thing you remember what's the one thing if you could pick one thing that you remember from that Cup final truthfully starting tickets out seriously even before the old Gaza yeah starting tickets out really was hard work.

1:01:47Yeah. It always was for you though. Yeah, it seemed to be. But that day in particular. When Roy was captain at United, so it's a weird system where you got 51 tickets, there were 17 in the squad. I just remember it being, and you got three each. And basically, sort of like if someone wanted two, then there might be one. But Roy had to go around everybody before the game and navigate who wanted two. Yeah, who wanted two. For away games? Every away game. For home games. And home games as well. But it was hard work. It was the same for the other captains, obviously Eric, Robbo, Brucey. It was hard work.

1:02:15I'm guessing it's a bit more organised now. But yeah, on a match day, trying to sort tickets. And then tickets for the lounge. There was many times I stood at Old Trafford. Many times I stood at Old Trafford. I go back to the tickets at Wembley. At Old Trafford. We're playing a game. Obviously, it just says 3 o 'clock kick-off. And we come in. And I'm on the phone, if you remember, to the ticket office. Because lads who were suspended are coming in. Injured lads going, I'm short one. And I'd be on the phone in the corridor. At my gear, about 10 to 3. 10 minutes before kick-off. You know, you come in before you go back out.

1:02:42I'm going, can you get... We need Maisie. It could be anybody, Sharp. You've got two more to get out. Send them down, please. And I'd be doing that and I'd be getting ready for it. But I think I've said this before. So when Roy left and I became captain, I did it for like two games and I literally went, that is not, because my preparation was everything to me. So lads would be coming up to me like an hour, half an hour before kickoff. Oh, I forgot to put these tickets on. And I went, Giggsie, I'm sorry. I know that I'm supposed to do this. I cannot do that. I wish I don't know. I cannot do that.

1:03:09It was honestly, our dressing room before a game, we talked about preparation. Preparation was absolutely perfect. and the last hour before the game, the town would be on. There'd be people fucking singing in the corridors, dancing, fucking about, laughing. And then basically there'd be tickets being sorted. Gaffrey would be walking in asking about a horse or something. And it's like, what the fuck is going on? I had to go and sit in the actual players' lounge toilet. Seriously to get on. I had to sit in the players' lounge toilet on my own. Players' lounge toilet. Players' lounge toilet on my own.

1:03:34Same toilet every week. And sit there for five, ten minutes just to get myself together. Did you need a ticket? I got rid of the job. I'm afraid that's for a two ticket. I've never thought that. Honestly, because when it has wound down to total tight... But you know what, strange enough for Idyll, I think it was a good way for everyone, not tickets at the last minute, but the TV, nobody was sitting there going, almost a game took care of itself. The lads that were injured that weren't playing, they'd be in there messing around as well. So when you came back in from the actual warm-up and it was like seven minutes to kick-off or eight minutes to kick-off, the lads would be in there, the telly would be on and be like, check out fucking telly.

1:04:08But then lads would come at the last minute going, can I get a ticket? Someone's let me down. and I'm kicking off in 10 minutes honestly but the cup fine go back to that one so I'm trying to get tickets but every away game my first year of Forest you go to a away match Pearce would give you the tickets on a match day on an away match so I thought it was the same format so I gave all my obviously all my tickets were gone to family from Ireland but my two brothers were coming I said I'll give you your two tickets on the day so on the way to on the way to Wembley I said to Pearce Pearce have you got my two tickets for the cup fine he went no the cup fine is different it's not like a league match you're supposed to collect that during the week in the office and your brothers are coming so my two brothers are coming so I'm getting stripped I'm going for the warm up and I just come back from an ankle injury so I get I think obviously the game is a trick you go a bit earlier because you're obviously meeting people I go to my two brothers at Wembley but I've got money with me because after the game I'm thinking I'll obviously be going on a session one way or the other and I had about £1 ,000 on me so I gave to my brothers I went you have to go and buy two tickets lads I forgot my two tickets I left so my two brothers went right so I gave them£1 ,000 went out I got warmed up came back in your brothers your brothers are back at the gates you know the big gates at Wembley so I go back out to them I'm going to say this is about again 20 to 3 again it's a bit earlier because again you have to meet people and they went no we can only buy one ticket for a thousand because it was Spurs it was London and one of them wouldn't buy one without the other so they went here's your money back we're obviously we're going to miss it so I go back in the dressing room cup fine and I'm like and Des I'm sitting next to Des Walker and Des went every time I went I forgot my two tickets and my two brothers and he went Des opened the jacket I've got two spits.

1:05:38Oh, no way. Did they give him the£1 ,000? You know what the thing is? I gave to him. I went, fuck, no, lad. To have cut final tickets. I've got a game in 10 minutes. Oh, my God. Obviously, they got in, but all the hassle of the tickets, and that went on for years and years. And then what happens is when you're playing, like you would have experienced no doubt the same. So then you try and get tickets for a match, but then that's not good enough. It's got to be a match, and the lounge afterwards. And then even they got to the stage later on, in my career, I went, we're not too worried about the match, but can we get in the lunch?

1:06:08Because there might be a free bar or they might see a player they want to photograph for an order. So that followed me throughout my career. A lot of that was my own fault, trying to please everybody.

1:06:21Has it crossed your mind if they don't win it this year? Of course it does. What do you think my head was in my hands when the tackle was on before? Patrick, before the game, said now or never. Even just a few Arsenal fans, obviously not the same sort of stature as Patrick is saying, to be fair, if we don't win it this year, we'll never win it. I don't believe that. No, no, no, write it. But write it. I'm sorry. I know that's just a statement, but my point is that is the feeling. If you don't win it now, it's almost like... Yeah, but Gary, Gary, you're kind of like forgetting the fact that we've tried for the last three years.

1:06:49This anxiousness is what's going to happen. But the other teams are in a different place now, right? Yeah, they're in a different... I'm not interested. Liverpool are out of it. I'm not interested with Liverpool or City at the moment because we are in the... But you can't not win it this year. It's in our hands to do it. Yeah, but you can't not win it this year. Do you agree with that? What do you mean we can't not win it? You can't not win it. You have to win the league this year. You must agree with that. That's not putting pressure on you, by the way. It is putting pressure on us. No, we're not.

1:07:14We can't not win it. Do you see how we played the other day? If something don't change, that's something that you have to worry about. No, you have Arsenal Football Club, one of the greatest clubs in this country and in Europe, and you've basically got to get back to winning titles. You haven't won one for 20 years, and it's there in front of you. You must have a mentality of, We have to win this league this year. You have to. Well, that's what I'm hoping they've got that. No, not hope. Yeah, but you're hoping because we've just seen a result where it looks like, well, mistakes. You know, we're losing a game.

1:07:41Obviously, it's against United. It's a big game for Arsenal United. But they've lost a game that would have been a brilliant marker if you won that game and moved on again. Righty, were you surprised at the Nottingham Forest game? Because, you know, when City dropped points, I thought they were going to go to Forest. As a player, you're like, they've dropped points. I'm going to Forest. Are they making sure they're not losing? I was like, go and do it 3-0. This is what people are saying as well, Jill, is that the way our manager is, is that he's worried about going to win than just trying not to lose.

1:08:15And I don't think you win anything in that game. Honestly, people might say I'm applying pressure to Arsenal. Absolutely not. Everybody hopes to win the title. Everybody wants... Everybody hopes to win. At the start of this, when we started the season well, I remember you saying, oh, it's Arsenal. After like eight games, it's Arsenal. It's Arsenal. After eight games, Gary was saying that to me. Right it. Everybody wants to win the title. Everybody hopes to win the title. Arsenal need to win the title this year. They need to win it this year. This is their year. City are dropped. Liverpool have gone.

1:08:49This is it. The door's open. Don't start sort of like being half-hearted. I'm not being half-hearted. You are a little bit. I'm not being half-hearted. and I'm trying to explain where they are in their heads at the moment. What I'm saying is not applying pressure. It's expectation levels of a football club like Arsenal. Yeah. I put them up here. I put them right up here, Arsenal. I'm trying to make the last step, Gary. He's nervous, Gary. No, you're not trying. You've got to make the last step. We're trying to got to make the last step. We're going to say that then. That's what we're trying to do.

1:09:18We've done it for the last three years, Gal. We're trying and we're in a position now, Roy. You guys know because we're at that stage of the season where the pressure kicks in. Of course I think we'll do it, but the fact is, it's not going to be easiest part of the journey. That's all I'm saying. Right, I absolutely agree. Never easy. But my point is, the language coming out of the club, the language coming out of the fan base should be, look, yeah, I get it, we've lost games, we're going to lose games in a season, but this is it, we're winning it this year, and we're going to get through this.

1:09:46They're asking a lot of our fan base as well. They've seen it for the last three years. I know, they have. So you've got to expect them. Even me sitting there with my hands in my eyes, they feel like that as well. They still want to be positive about what's going on, but they're afraid. It's up to the players to make us realise it's going to happen. That's the word. I think Aston Villa could do it. They're scared. This could be the fourth time. That's what they're afraid of. You can't expect the fans to not feel like that. It's up to the players to ease that. My last statement on this is it feels a little bit unthinkable for Arsenal not to win it, I'll be honest with you.

1:10:13It feels a little bit unthinkable in terms of the impact that that might have. I'm not even going to mention his comment that they're going to be the worst team ever to win the title. I mean, if we win it, we win it with more than 77 points like you've got won it. Like, fuck's sake, I'm skulls. I say, is that my mate here? Reading it, it's my mate. He's just shooting from the hip. He's just... I meant to say most boring. I meant to say most boring to him, not worse to him, sorry. There you go, correction. Put him on that call. It'll be boring. I'll take boring. It don't matter how you do it, does it?

1:10:42I'll take boring and win. I'm very excited because, again, like you say, I believe, yes, we do have to win it. Because we... Thank you. Right? We do have to win. And I'm confident enough that we will do it. I agree. Gabby, I have to mention how good United was. Oh, no. Jill, of course we're coming on to that. That's really clear. Jesus. Have you seen how much we talk about Man United when they haven't done anything? All your bit will be edited out. That arsehole bit will end up being about three minutes. Will Tottenham go down? You said no. No. You said no. 100%. Just stand up. Get all your money.

1:11:20how much money have you got just put on Spurs staying up guaranteed go on do it brought to you by Skybat

1:11:30what is the odds for them to stay up what is the odds anyway what are the odds on Spurs staying up and going down who are they seriously are they even Spurs are staying up I messaged you a while back going City to win the league and Tottenham to stay up oh yeah I definitely did did I respond to it no probably not probably just a selfie yeah But I wanted to know the God. Have you seen Jill on Instagram dancing? Have you seen that? Yeah, it's brilliant. I love it. Yeah, it's a bit of fun. I love it, Jill. Shall we show one of your pictures, Roy? Shall we show one of your pictures? Can we see Jill dancing?

1:11:59No, let's look at your pictures. Shall we see you dancing, doing a rap song? Show Roy's, like, thingy face. He sent me a really nice one. We'll show you Astrid football. That one the other day was a nice one. Which one? I can't remember. The last one. It's all for Chelsea. He was happy. There you go. Yay! We don't get a response. Yeah, but that's my answer. That's his answer. Are you on a shoot there? Yeah, you are. I like when we ask a question. I like when we ask a question in a group, Roy, and then you do one of your answer question face. Yeah, thanks, Ian. I like it. You don't need 20 texts between them.

1:12:32Come on, man, you know. Yeah, but you don't ask... Roy, other reply to you. That's the one. This is all he does. It's like, can you come into the shop for a coffee? Get one more. Get one more. Do you get the juice of it? Do you get the juice of it? Get one where he's walking Riley or something. It's always cool, Riley one. There you go.

1:12:53Were we at the coffee... Don't get words. Were we at the coffee house last week? Yes, we were. Scramble egg on toast. I don't expect you to travel all the way up. That's a shut-the-up face. What's happening? We done or what? Look at that one. Hold on a second. Right. Is that Salford? It's called Ramblers. It's called Ramblers. Right. Tottenham going down, yes or no? Yes. Yes. No. I don't want them to for football. You don't want them to go down, do you? No, I don't want them to go down. But like I was with Arsenal, I don't know how they're going to stay. It seems to be the momentum's not with them.

1:13:29It can happen. It's like everybody's thinking, oh, it can't happen because it's Tottenham. It can happen. I think it might happen. I think it might happen. I think they could now. I think they could now. Dude, that 2-2 was a real death knell. Just remember, they're staying upright. Mm-hm. They're all sitting on the fence. What do you want?

1:13:53Which is technically, do you think, the goal that would be most difficult to score? The Caneos. The Caneos. The Caneos and the Voli. Do you remember the Caneos? I could score the Caneos, but I couldn't score Bergkamp's. I could score the Caneos in training. You couldn't score anything. Gary. Gary. I'm telling you. Gary, I'm telling you. The hardest two, I think, is the Caneo and Skolz's one. Skolz's one. Is it the... Yes, that one, yeah. If you put 20 balls in, I could do that. Hang on, we're not watching. If you put 20 balls in there now... Somewhere you can do. I could do that as a sort of...

1:14:28I could get it right once. Don't do that again, please. No. You know something. You don't look like you've even played sports. You look like a schoolteacher. This has been a Global and the Overlap production.

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