Tottenham's Trouble, Lampard’s Surprise Season & Gary's F1 Reveal!

0:00Just before we get started, a quick thanks to our partners and clothing. We hope you enjoy the show. I tell you what, I might hang in on that Grand Prix for quite a while, you know. Was it good? It's some interesting things I think can reference back to football. Is it very different to football as like an environment? Yeah, it's a high-performance environment. Ha! And football isn't. I think that what struck me, it's very different. You've only got basically two drivers. It's very much singular. It's like swimming and cycling. You've just got basically a high-performance mindset where they're pushing themselves to an absolute limit.

0:38When you're in football, you're playing every three days with 22 players. It's not an exact science football. I'm telling you, people try to come from other sports into football and apply the same principles. Very difficult. What would be your top three things then that you would... What would you take from the F1 then that you would bring into... Well, I was saying to Roy in there, so on Saturday I watched a sprint race. interviewed the drivers as they came back up, George Russell and Antonelli, who's 18 years of age, for Mercedes. They then took me into the debrief, where basically you've got the 20 mechanics, engineers, data analysts, and the two drivers have to analyse what the car did, what they did around every corner.

1:17The drivers stand up for five minutes and literally just go through a checklist of basically talking about turn six, the, I don't know, drag wasn't around that corner or the brakes weren't around that corner. or whatever, and they literally would take every little minutiae of detail through it. And then seeing the 18-year-old kid get up and do it, that was the thing that blew me away. Is Toto there for all of this as well? Yeah. Yeah. I stood behind him on the sprint race. If you think of an 18-year-old football player... Yeah, sprint racing, you were doing that, were you? 18-year-old football player or 18-year-old individual being able to stand up and analyse their own performance just after coming off a...

1:58I mean, that was mind-blowing. I thought that was my... The footballer wouldn't be able to do that. In front of his own team-mates, in front of his own team, they wouldn't be able to do that. And they're not saying they should be able to do that either. It's a team sport and you've got experienced players who might want to do it. Do people say that I eat fruit weirdly on sometimes on the comments? Do I eat fruit weirdly? I eat bananas. Why? I eat bananas in one, like a snake. That's how you peel it, apparently. Anyway. Here we go. Yeah! She's back. I actually did miss yours. I know you did. I was like, I miss you guys.

2:33Sorry, Leila. Leila. Thank you. You got me on my knees, Leila. Who sang that, Leila? Eric Clapton. Eric Clapton. The man. Yeah. Got you on my knees. I saw Bob Dylan last week, it was amazing. What's your favourite Bob Dylan song? I have a question, Jill. It was a good song. 84, man, 84 years of age. God, that's incredible. Wow. Thank you, brother. Still playing Bob Dylan. Yeah, it was on last week in Dublin. Brilliant. What's the name of that elf? Naughty Elf. Has he got a name? It's like Jill, that. Why? Because it's so long. Red and white for Sunderland. Do you know what I like? Dire Straits.

3:18Yeah. Yeah, great. That album. That album is... One of the greatest. Yeah, a bit of Dire Straits, yeah, I agree. I like that. Remember the video that came up with that boxy kind of... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I remember, because man was into some serious reggae. That's a great album. That is a great album. Gaby, tell us about Qatar. Did you go over there just for the Grand Prix, but you're over there anyway? I have no idea about F1, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got no idea. Have you watched Drive to Survive? No, I haven't, so I don't know anything about it. But that's good to go in blind, isn't it?

3:48So I went in, they did a tour of all the facilities, gave me an explanation, introduced the drivers, did a little interview with the drivers, watched the sprint race behind Total Wolf, went and saw the car saw him doing the practice pit stops where they do the practice tyres on and off let me show you something there you go Gary's changing the wheel did you do that? watch it, watch it unbelievable how'd you get that on that quick? I tried that was that whilst they were racing? no this was on the practice on a Saturday what's the benefit of you doing that? I'm serious you're the same You get so...

4:28Oh, my God, Roy. I've changed a tyre on an F1 car. You didn't change a tyre. You just put a tyre on. It's not changing anything. Bro, you know what, as well... How heavy is that, Gary? I guarantee if your car broke down the side road, would you have to change your... Probably not as quick as that, no. You'd be able to change it. Probably not. I'd struggle with it. But it was my... What, the tyre, Gary, on your car? You've got all the stuff in the... You've got all the stuff in the boot. No, but all these companies, PR, I've seen you doing it as well. Obviously, you've been sucked into it. Yeah.

4:54You all stand there, you were doing a competition with some other guy, and I'm thinking, obviously, whatever you're doing. You've done it in free office. And you do it, and then you stand back, and everyone claps. You're like, just put the fucking... It's like bizarre. You get giddy over stuff like that. You're going Grinchy. You're going fucking Grinchy, bro. No, I said, go to the Formula One, fantastic, but I changed the tyres. It was like bizarre. Was it fun, gal? How was it fun living in a tyre? Watching them do it. They're watching them doing fantastic. Did you do it in the race? No. As if they're going to trust them to do it in the race.

5:25No, I didn't. Did you think I was going to do it? I wasn't sure. You've got a contact. But, girl, you know what was good about it, girl? You know what was good is that, you know, in the moment when you're getting ready, when they say, right, you're nervous, you're nervous. And that's the moment. I was nervous. I was sweating. That's when you know you're alive. And I was like, jeez, these guys are doing it under pressure. Anyway, then the most fascinating thing was they did the sprint race, which is like 19 laps. And it was quite, I think they said it was quite boring, where it was like not a lot happened.

5:49And so then basically, they do a debrief, like in front of the 25 analysts, management, mechanics, obviously all the people who are working on the car, and the drivers, like one of them's 27... Here he is. You're talking about Qatar. I'm talking about Grand Prix. You're trying to kidnap you, never went there for money. Hello. That's his excuse for throwing. What does Jamie say? Throw the dead car or something? Don't you walk in late and start shouting about this. I get in at two in the morning, left ours at quarter to eight this morning. Been an accident. There has been an accident. Oh, my God.

6:26And how long am I late? Ten minutes. I'm just going to start talking about people who take accountability and responsibility. No, let's get back to Qatar. Not people who literally make excuses for everything that they do. Yeah, okay. I didn't get paid a penny. It was for Sky. I didn't get paid a penny. Thank you very much. Anyway, let's move on. He changed the tyre. Let's go back to the formula. So, Kimmy Antonelli, 18-year-old driver, 27-year-old George Russell, they come in and literally have a checklist to go through and they read through sort of every corner, every sort of, like, part of the car.

6:56Like, for five minutes, they're speaking, literally analysing their own performance, their own thing. It's all about, like, accounting. And being critical of themselves. Yeah, but also analysing what other things went wrong and why on that corner there he didn't quite sort of get around. It sounds so... And I just thought, do you know something? 18-year-old kid's doing this. And I actually thought, do you know something? Imagine us as an 18-year-old football player. you couldn't come in in front of a group of all the team. But did you do that from a young age in go-karting? Is that the norm for them?

7:22Yeah, they bring them up where basically they're sort of like... Yeah, but they obviously have debriefs when they're even go-karting, so that's the norm for them. Yeah, they're used to it. The detail's amazing, though, isn't it? Yeah. Like, just in general. It is. It's so good. Have you done it in the thing? I did the grid walk and everything, so it was the Holland one where it's, like, right on the beach front. Oh, it was amazing. Like Lewis Hamilton, I was just like, good luck like he's just there about a race it was mental Sky got me unbelievable access to Mercedes I was stood behind Toto Wolf on the sprint race just literally sort of watching everything and then on the race day I was sat in the McLaren garage it is amazing that the drivers do interviews five or ten minutes before the race that mindset the media they do like on the track afterwards they've got to do 25-30 minutes of interviews every single driver compulsory I was like the media part of it the detail of it the actual analysing of their own performances and the responsibility.

8:17There's no hiding place. That's what I thought. If you don't put that tyre on as quick, it measures it. Everything measures like to... Everything matters. That's the thing with it. Everything matters in Formula One. Imagine you were about to start a football match when the public are just walking around you going like... The best thing about... Listen, I'm not into Formula One at all. No, I'm not. Have you watched Drive to See? I have not, but you should go. I've watched a couple of them. The fellow from Sky who interviews everyone, that's the best bit of it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he did an interview, is he?

8:44Or did he? I like the interview. I hate the interview, right? Yeah. I didn't go on... I'm the notebook guy. I can't remember. Martin Rundle? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't go on the... Real Ferdinand, the interview, that scene. I didn't go on the track before the race, so I didn't want to go on. I got a hot lap with... I did a hot lap. Did you do it with Vat... Oh, my God. Did a hot lap. Do you mean a hot lap? Where it goes around on... I did a hot lap. In one of those, SL63. Yeah. Oh, did you? Honestly. What, you were actually in the car? He's amazing. No, not on a Formula One car. Not on a Formula One car.

9:12It's like Geberstig. No. It's like one of the Mercedes SL 63s. It's like, he went round, it was amazing what these cars can do. It's pointless having this car on the road. Right. It's literally, it's like, it's just pointless. Unbelievable. So I did it basically with the safety car driver, the guy who goes out and does the safety car, he took me round. Just a weekend gone, dear. They give me a full day, like Sky organised a full day of integration into it. so I did a hot lap, 260 kilometres an hour down the straight. Then they break so late at the bends, and you literally feel like your guts and your eyeballs...

9:46It comes to the front. Yeah, it's like... It's hard. It's like physically hard work. But do you know when the safety car comes out on a Grand Prix race? They're going that quick. Two... They're going like... They're going 200-odd miles. They're going 200... Did it? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, he said, I said, what pace? He said, this is the pace, and the drivers... On a safety lap? On a safety lap. the drivers are going mad at him. It doesn't look like they are. Down the straight, they're going really fast, but it looks like they're going slow compared to a thing, a normal. He said, because the drivers go mad because their tyres go cold, so they need to make me go as quick as I can.

10:18Them cars are so quick. You should go, Cara, just to see it as like a... You just drove that speed to get here.

10:27Yeah. How are you, mate? Things I do for this podcast. Yeah, good, mate, yeah. I just obviously saw the stuff with Laura and everything. Oh, yeah, how's Laura? Yeah, she's fine. Yeah, I got a message this morning. She's fine with everybody. It was worrying last night, but now she's fine. She put a message on Instagram saying she thinks she had a virus. Bless her, but it must be horrible when that happens. Live. On TV as well. Horrible. People are really nice as well, people. Not the first woman to fall into her arms, I'm guessing, Ian. Just have that now. I can't do anything now. It's on the edge, this one.

10:57You know what? She's good. She's good. It's the same as, I'm trying to stay with it, It's the same as what Gaz would do, tell you a terrible joke. I know. Such a bad taste joke, and it makes you laugh, and you just feel so bad. He's going to say something like that. Brewing up in his head. That's what Laura would want. She'd want us to laugh. She would. I'm glad she's... She's good, isn't she? That's the most important thing, obviously. You're getting knighthood for another one.

11:27You will get an award for some GQ or somebody. Carrie, he's talking about me... Just hit him right. He's talking about me changing the car.

11:38He took it so serious. It's a practice one. That's what I've referred to. But is the car on when it comes in? Is the car proper like engine running? No. Or does it put the car in? Yeah. But it's going to be static when actually you do it anyway in real life. The engine will be on and the tires will be smoking. You've got to put it on for it to zoom off again, you know what I mean? So there's people just pushing the car. Was it a real car? Do you know how much training they do for them? That's their jobs, isn't it? Weights and everything. They do loads of training for them. Jobs, don't they? There's a nice jeopardy in that.

12:13It just feels like... Good energy, yeah. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. It didn't look like they knew how to build out from the back through the midfield and then into the front. It looked like they really were lost. When a result goes against us, they text me on the side and go, No, I didn't. I told you, you did, let me finish. Forrest, I said Forrest. What do you want to say? You said it wasn't right. If you're booing a player as the game's going on, you obviously haven't played football or understand football. You're not going to get another level out of them by booing them.

12:42He can't do it at that level. He has to. You can't win. That's unfair. You can't win. You're a f***ing pun the time. Yeah.

12:54I was thinking about... Do you think there's quite a lot of inconsistent teams this season? Or is it always like that at football? Do you think there's a lot of inconsistency? I feel like it's a little bit I thought it was McLaren But all that's Yeah but there's a lot of teams added so it's kind of shooting the table it's making the table look a bit look better I was saying about Bournemouth like they've had a massive drop haven't they I don't think they've had a win in the last five but at one point they were right up there Palace I look at Liverpool they've won one game and then you feel like they're not a million miles away from like teams in City not so much Arsenal What about Palace against United I thought it was that game I thought it was dreadful and I pass around the back of a European game and there are challenges they have to face but I thought the goals they gave away the standard of the game was so poor I know we love the Premier League but some of the games I think the inconsistency this season seems to be the most I've seen for a long time how do you get consistency?

13:50if you think about the teams how do they get consistency? Arsenal have it Arsenal have it Chelsea are looking dangerous what other teams in the Premier League have it? you don't need to be a top team to have it. You can be consistent. I think the, I was thinking about this, you used the word consistency, but I was thinking about how many teams after sort of 12 games are almost happy with themselves, you know, like, even if City and, City have probably not been themselves this season, Liverpool, even Chelsea, who obviously are doing well now, but they've still lost to a three, like, bad game, you know, Sunderland must be delighted.

14:21Sunderland must be delighted. I was thinking Sunderland, Crystal Palace, Arsenal, I think there's a lot of teams who are probably a little bit, ugh. Let's go through everyone. Go on then. Go on. Arsenal happy City 28 points 2 points off the top they will be happy happy but it hasn't felt like City yeah but the thing is they'll be probably thinking we can get better so you know what I mean they're second but they conceded 4 yesterday they scored 5 happy with a but I think happy with a but that we're not quite right it's even last night letting Fulham come back scoring those goals Chelsea 24 points I think they'll be happy if you said to them you'll be there that was a decent against Arsenal.

14:58That was a good game. That was a good game. Chelsea happy. Should be happy, Chelsea. Villa, 24 points. They're coming as well. Unbelievable. Yeah. Everyone's happy. Brighton, happy. Happy, obviously. United, 21 points. Could go 24 on... It's mad. Do you know what? Tottenham 11th. They're five points off it. Liverpool. Five points off Chelsea, Tottenham. Not happy. Yeah. Liverpool will be Liverpool unhappy Everton 9th They'll be pleased with last night Palace 10th happy Yeah because they've got the challenges of Europe as well Tottenham Tottenham's happy as well they've got challenges Basically it's just a part of a happy Just wolves The fans are zooming but it's not like they're a million miles away No no But that's what I'm saying because the league's been whether you think it's good or bad because of the way it is you only have to you need to win if you win two games on the bounce you feel like you're back up there don't you who've Liverpool got the weekend so they've got Sunderland tonight have they played Sunderland yeah yeah Sunderland got a great win at Anfield I'm doing Liverpool Leeds Saturday have you got to make up a few games because you missed the weekend for Sky I've done that I'm doing three games well you've changed that tyre are you Tottenham where are we at with them I mean that was obviously decent for them last night in the sense that they came back what do you think about Thomas Frank's quotes over the last couple of weeks where he's obviously relating to his book, I think, said, sitting down for interviews with two of the ten biggest clubs in the world, two hours apart, it's pretty unique.

16:35I know I didn't get either of the two jobs, but it's still a huge deal. I remember walking through the Battersea Park between the two interviews thinking, Thomas Frank from, I don't know what, Frederick, Frederick's Vark, where he comes from, am I really experiencing this? I think it was wise to bring that out. I think it was for the Tottenham fans to hear it. So that's the place you do that. but like the timing we talked about books before haven't we the timing of it he wouldn't have wanted that timing yeah but the thing with Thomas Frank and what you like about him is there's an honesty and an effervescence about him that you feel that maybe being at Brentford you know you can say certain things that don't carry so far but then you go to Tottenham you say something like it starts to feel like whoa what are you talking about you need to and I think that he's probably adjusting to the to the size of the club I think that he's one of those guys that he's just he's straight down the line he's very honest and I think that obviously that's in his book so you know what I mean he's saying what he's saying but like can you imagine that must have been amazing for him to have that experience and he's just told us about it I can't see what it must be strange two interviews in the same day you'd have to clear your head after one of them and just have a breathe but that's an interesting point I mean talk about moving from whatever club you whatever size you want to call Brentford but when you make that jump to one of the big boys and things that you get loaded for which is, oh, he's really honest, isn't he?

17:55And his interview is refreshing. He's exactly the same at a club like that. And we'll synthesise it. So there is that sort of... I think saying something like that, the reason it won't go down well, it's just Tottenham don't want their manager to feel as if, oh my God, Chelsea and Man United, you've got to feel like that's where I belong. You're the Tottenham manager, you should be getting interviews, don't feel like this is like, oh, you know, unbelievable. But it will have been where he's come from, but when you're the Tottenham manager saying that right now, they won't want to hear that This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing

18:31What about this quote? I didn't like that our fans booed at him straight after and a few times after that, they can't be true Tottenham fans because everyone supports each other when you're on the pitch and we do everything we can to perform, I'm fine with them booing after the match, no problem, but not during that is unacceptable, what do you think about that? It's Vicario obviously, what do you think about booing a player during a match? I think it's terrible because the thing is if you're booing a player as a game's going on you obviously haven't played football or understand football because he's just made a mistake and you're not going to get another level out of him by booing him like he's playing for your team I thought it was ridiculous you know I think what I'd say with Thomas Frank again is that what he's saying it makes logical sense but with fans and people say things like you know they pay their money and they have they have got their right to say what they say but there's no scenario in football where booing a player who's trying his best, he will be trying his best, might be having a nightmare, is going to benefit him or the club or anything.

19:30So on that point, he's absolutely right to say that. If that's all he has to die on, then he should die on that because boo him afterwards. But, you know, help him through the game. You know, don't boo him while it's happening. We all know that. You know what, it's one of the most uncomfortable things you ever see when someone's getting booed or you go to a way ground and there's a home player getting booed. It's horrible. Family in the crowd, everything like that. Was it booing? Was it booing? I'm just trying to think. Were they not taking the piss by sort of like cheering when he kicked it long?

20:01No, I think what I saw, when the ball went back to him. Saying that is a mistake. Some of his mates could help him out when he made that mistake. Yeah. One of you run back to the line. The guy got, so he's kicked up the line. So you've got two guys, James, who are in the box and he's got the ball here. It doesn't even go to, who's got it? Harrison, who scored it? Wilson. Wilson, Wilson. Hasn't even gone to him yet. They're still staying there. They've not gone to the line. Well, last night, obviously I did the game last night and Dan so I went back on the line and saved a goal on the line. I mentioned that in commentary.

20:33You know, we should have obviously done that a few days ago. You're not the first equal days of last night, you're not the second one. The Newcastle, why can't they read it? It's coming there weird, they're like... It's like slow motion, wasn't it? It's yacked. Even Ramsdale. I can't believe it went in. I know the defenders are like surprised I know I'm never going to I'm never going to knock an overhead kick but it was the slowest overhead kick off his shin when it went in you know what I mean but like it was good it almost went so slow it was hard to stop it because it was like maybe they had to cut them out a little bit of can yeah they need to and the thing with Tottenham and people say you can't mention injury but with them with how they're playing like the five points off of Chelsea Champions League they've got you know it's having a bit of a nightmare if they get them players coming back.

21:18He's got 11 players out the other day. You know what I mean? That's got to count for something. You've got to give him some more. Yeah, but are the fans on him a little bit because of the home results? I think so, yeah. The home results is the home. Obviously the sport of the Arsenal game didn't help. I think where it comes from, Tottenham, it's not just Thomas Frank. I think even go back to last season, I think they've won three of the last 21 at home or so. You know, something ridiculous. You think last night, Newcastle, I think they're on the same point as Tottenham, but Newcastle are winning in a hole having problems but when you win in front of your own fans it's just that feel good factor and I think a lot of games there was a stat that came in last night it was unbelievable so after half an hour we looked at it when we bring the stats up and it carried on to half time in the last four first halves that Tottenham have played they haven't had a shot on target so it's I know they scored two and the goals record is not too bad but they had two shots and scored two goals and I think the supporters are sort of looking a little bit deeper into more than the results and it's like they don't never look like scoring a goal getting beaten like they did against Arsenal as well I thought it was bad that kind of like yeah that kind of like piles it on even more if it was someone else they lost to like that it wouldn't I don't think it would be as intense but like it's ramped it up because it's Arsenal yeah so you have to feel for them it's pressure it's just under pressure the first shot in that game was the Rochelle someone he scored to after 55 or 56 minutes I think expected goals there near the bottom and I think that's where Tottenham fans' frustration is because he's saying we're building on something like attacking football but they're not seeing the results.

22:52I think as fans if you say you're building on something you want to see. I think the hardest thing for a manager and I was thinking about this with Thomas Frank we did something on Monday Night Football about six weeks ago and it wasn't just about Thomas Frank it was about so if you're a manager and you bring Sunderland up into the Premier League and you're thinking how are we going to stay in the Premier League and we've been critical of managers who come up and maybe we say oh the trying to play like Man City. You've got to try and keep your club up. Now the way we probably say about keeping them up was being strong defensively, being strong on set pieces.

23:24Maybe not playing from the back as you'll say, we haven't got the quality. But then how do their managers who've managed like that for years and Thomas Frank's one of them. David Moyes was there at Everton. Yeah, Roy Hodgson was there at Fulham. Nuno was there at Wolves. Then when they make that jump to the bigger club, their actual football that they've played is maybe so ingrained And it's not easy to fully transfer that stag. It needs something different at the top end. And I was actually thinking, how do you do that? So when I'm thinking about managers who did succeed, I think of, say, Pochettino goes at Southampton.

24:02I'm talking mainly of managers in the Premier League who make that jump. But you would say, OK, it was the high pressing, it was aggressive, it was what top teams do. Even Brendan Rodgers at Swansea, he's a game away from winning the league. with Liverpool. Even Harry Redknapp, I know he's not known as a coach, but he was an attacking manager even when he was out of Portsmouth. He was OK at Spurs. And I think it's that balance or how many pragmatic managers in the bottom half the table then take a top team and it becomes a success. I think there's very few. And getting the balance right between...

24:37Eddie Howe. Yeah, Eddie Howe. So Eddie Howe, the Bournemouth team, my critic is not great defensively, but they're on the board. the press and they're trying to take the game to the opposition. Vincent Kompany is now manager at Bayern Munich. Sean Dyche, I know, obviously came on this show and he's almost like a completely different manager but did a great job at Burnley. He's not going to get the Bayern Munich job. Do they have to evolve? Do they have to? Or is that just a perception of the managers? I just think it is tough for managers when you come into the Premier League at the bottom half.

25:06You've got to fight for your club and keep your club in the division. But how do you ever make that jump to a top team? Because they won't accept the way. And I think that's the problem with Thomas Frank right now. Can he sort of get there? But what's the difference with Eddie Howe doing it is because he's been given time, isn't it? As you say about players joining new clubs that need times, like managing these times as well. I think Eddie Howe has shown that really with Newcastle, but he needed that transition. The worry watching Tottenham against Arsenal was it didn't look like they knew how to build out from the back through the midfield and then into the front.

25:40It looked like they really were lost. they obviously played a back five didn't they changed the system but does that come back to what I'm saying if you're manager at Brentford you're probably not going to want your team to do that so it's actually transferring that actually getting on the ball but when he was at Brentford remember he'd lose when he was manager at Brentford he could lose three or four games and play a negative and it wouldn't be mentioned but because now it's the pro fighter club pressure on him we're talking about his book if he was Brentford we probably wouldn't be mentioning his stuff it's just when you go to a bigger club but you look at it as well let's say you can get you get Kulosevsky fit you get Solanke fit that brings that brings something else into that team if you're going to play like they did at Arsenal and then you can like someone like Kudos who can cause problems then you've got those players then all of a sudden you've got two players there alongside Kudos who can get you out so you know maybe he's kind of waiting hopefully that starts Jamie and he can maybe feed into that because then the forward players will help him out This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing Is the inconsistency just a natural sort of occurrence after losing the quality of managers that we had for that four or five year period where it did feel like with Klopp, Pep, I think Conte was here, Jose was here, Occhettino, there was a group of five or six years where you felt like we had the best managers in the world and obviously quite a few of them seem to have left.

27:05Do we feel like now, I always think the quality of manager in the Premier League will reference the quality of the actual play and I feel like maybe, I'm not talking about Thomas Frank, I'm just talking generally, have the manager quality dipped? Probably, yeah. I think there's a lot of clubs that are at, but not crossroads because we've just looked through teams and gone, yeah, they'll be fairly happy, whatever, but there's lots of clubs. Tuchel was obviously Chelsea, wasn't he? Yeah, of course, yeah. Quality managers, yeah. You think about the managers we had in that period that just felt like we had unbelievable managers, like the best in the world were all in the Premier League at the top clubs.

27:32I'd like to see, I'd probably like to see with Jamie's point about that pragmatic style and I'd love to see a team I really feel like because like I thought with Thomas Frank you know how he plays at Brentford it's very you know what I mean it's very pragmatic you know they break and it's all energy and you know he's going to come he's not going to change I think Iriola the way he plays and how Bournemouth play and the way they can try and play out play through their midfield and they've got exciting wingers and I'd love to see what he would be like because you do need another you need another set of managers coming through and that's the question here guys where's the next set of managers coming through to get to that level.

28:10You look at the Villa manager. Villa to start the season, you know, they looked shocked, didn't they? You're thinking, I know you've just said they're what, four to four? Yeah, the game against Sunderland, I couldn't believe it, but then I think they've won four out of five. That's a tough game for us. Give them managers time, the top quality manageable soccer. You do actually think his way of playing is more transferable. That's what I'm thinking, Jamie. Maybe a bigger club. I think he would be the next one, wouldn't he, in the Premier League, I would imagine. Yeah. Super six.

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29:20Do these know that this is half an hour earlier than normal as well? What do you mean? We started at half an hour, not ten o 'clock, so we're not talking about being late. You're not actually late, girl. He's early. It's the earliest I've ever been late. This accountability responsibility thing is not sort of catching on, is it? We're still blaming people, aren't we? You want them to stand up like a Formula One driver? Walk in and just say, look, I got it wrong this morning. I can't remember. I got it wrong. I've been fucking traffic for 14 minutes. You all right, Jeremy? What time do you want me to leave?

29:52You know, when you're in the traffic, you're part of the problem. Oh, God. I heard this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great point. Who gave you that, Roy? I've not heard that. You just heard it. Yeah. If you're in traffic, you complain about traffic, but you're fucking in it. Yeah. You're part of the problem. I was trying to forget about cars everywhere. You're in a car. Talking of problems, Super 6. Oh, dear. Not on Forrest. What? Not on Forrest. Oh, my God. You're so annoying. He said the meme. The meme. He said Forrest. Do you know what annoys me? Forget all the other ones they get wrong.

30:23It's got nothing to do with that. No, no, no. It's because I saw another one where I said something West Ham. You were like, no. And that's what. But when a result goes against us, they text me on a Saturday. No, I didn't. I told you. No, you did. Let me finish. Oh, Forrest. I said Forrest. What about all the other fucking ones? said that wasn't right. Do you know what, though? They text me there Saturday. I'm not walking the dog. I'm relaxing. Do you know what, though? I wasn't even here. I was in Australia. You started having a go, and I was like, I haven't even said anything. Honestly, what did I...

30:51You said Forrest? You did say Forrest could win at Liverpool. Yeah, you did. But he said another one that I was like, no, he was wrong on you. Yeah, but you know what's annoying about this is that I have these kind of... And you know what? I'm going to call it a premonition. I have premonitions, right? I've done it a few times, and you never listen to my premonitions. And then it happens in yourself. Give me strength. Something happens, man. You just rum-onted it, mate. You rum-onted it. I've seen The Shining. Listen. Go on. Come on, Ben. Anyway, last week, Super 6 rollover is starting this weekend.

31:20Rolled over every Saturday in December if it isn't won. It could reach£1 million while the 27th of December. Wow. It's Christmas though, wouldn't it? You don't want to. Get the sales though. No, I don't want it yet. I've already bought me presents. The sales. Enter the mini-league, S6-STF. Right. Thank you. Right. Last week's scores, Gary and Jamie, you got four. No. We must have. Did you have Wien as well? You must imagine how many you got if you went with Forrest? Did you do Arsenal? We got Arsenal, right? Yeah, so I'm saying we must have got Arsenal. Did you have Wien or did they have Wien?

31:51Yeah, you both had Arsenal to win. What's that? Good, that. Oh, don't tell me if we got two or four. No, no, no, you got six. Yes. Here you go on your negativity. Hey, well done. That's a bad win. I called one that you did. I think Brighton and you were like, no, no. Can you imagine if you've got the Forrest? Bournemouth Chelsea Saturdays 3pm Tough one that It's Bournemouth at all You know what Bournemouth bro Are we first here? No they're first 1-1 Chelsea are flying They're at least That was a great If they win the league That gift I'm going to hide I'm done Yeah me too Someone mentioned that to me The other day Jill Did they?

32:28Yeah when they were winning I got messages from Jill was right Let me see right Chelsea will win you've got to win the league don't talk to me you know what the league's over you've been so much better than anyone else but City's still there aren't they they haven't even played that well the league's over Foden's doing well we've got Villas Villas I don't want to talk about it so long to go 2-1 Chelsea 2-1 Chelsea well done Gary how good was Rhys James in midfield you always say it's so hard for a full back to do that I can't do this City, Sunderland. You're conflicted, Jill. I can't do it. Saturday, 3pm.

33:076-5, City. 3-1, City. 6-5? You know something, please make it 6-5. Roy! Please make it 6-5. Don't be texting me Saturday. I'll get the whole of Sunderland. I think Sunderland will be a messy place after the defeat at Liverpool. What did you think? I'm going to put you in the middle of it. Sunderland will be game for that game because they've got nothing to lose there. Sunderland won't concede three. You don't think? Very organised. I couldn't see the two against Bournemouth the other day. We're dealing with... Foden's in great form. Your man, Foden. He's doing well. He looks strong. Do you not think he looks strong?

33:43No. OK, 3-0. He looks focused. Tottenham-Brentford. Big game. Every game we go, oh. You know what? Going back to his team, coming to his place at Tottenham, it's going... We'll go Tottenham win 2-1. 2-1 Tottenham. Tottenham winning that. No, I don't think... We're confident. Saves his job, doesn't he? Two overhead kicks. I think Brentford gets something simply because of who it is. You've got to factor that in. I'm not great away from home, right at Brentford. Yeah, but it's their old manager. He didn't take a couple of the players who he promised that, I'm going to take you for it, I'll take you with me.

34:17Take them. He's trying to do a gang show, baby. Go on, righty, this one can be yours. Go on. I think I'm going to go draw or Brentford 2-1. 2-1 Brentford? Wow. Go on, he's put it in. Is that the premonition? Two out. Premonition. Two on Brentford. Two on Brentford. The premonition. Now, if that goes wrong, I'm going to text you Saturday. No, no, no. When the premonition comes, it happens like it did against Forest. It didn't come there, but I just feel like it. Newcastle, Burnley. Yeah, we're at home. Newcastle, definitely. Especially if they don't get some men back. 2-0. 2-0, Newcastle. Yeah, I think Burnley area is starting to happen.

34:56Burnley area is starting to get into that place, yeah. Looking troubled. Looking very, very ropey. 3-0 Newcastle I didn't realise you were playing but that was a killer then for Newcastle you're just copying us Everton Forest come on let's go Everton Forest oh Sean back Forest that was a good Everton I don't think Everton Everton was a good comeback from the Newcastle score get a 1-0 of course he's going to bounce back I think Everton do you are we first there are we first there 2-1 Forest 1-1 1-1 1-1 They're both happy with a draw. How happy does Jack Leeds have been? You know when he scores in that green left?

35:35I'm doing this game. I don't know. I think Liverpool will win. 2-0 Liverpool. It's all good. We'll go 2-0 Liverpool. It's all good. Playing mind games. Liverpool can do it, don't you? Hang on a sec. Liverpool can do it. Yeah, I said it. 2-0 Liverpool. You can't go 2-0 now. They score one goal. Liverpool go 2-0. 2-0. lead score one with five minutes 2-1 Liverpool 2-1 yeah yeah very much so Billy Bonds yeah Billy Bonds great Billy Bonds man that was a sad one 79 how many games did he was that 799 799 wow unbelievable did you work with him right too no no I played against these teams and I didn't work with him but I met him a few times when I was at West Ham you know and out of that old school gentleman football properly carries himself well just like how Bobby Moore was when you met him but that was a shocker that one sad one I think it was 41 we looked at the sky when the news came in yeah and no big squads back then was there do you think lads were almost forced to play them you know that among the games bigger squads you've had a niggle he probably said it out back in the day he was like no just get on with it there was a picture of him with his socks by his hand I didn't see Billy Bond play lots obviously a little bit before my time but you'd always picture him sort of with his socks down a little bit and just like no shin pads and just going for it wasn't he and not when you watched it Not like trying to talk to you.

36:59Yeah, not talk to you. Just very hard. Bam, in the challenges. Really sad. Sad for West Ham. Sad day for West Ham.

37:11It was about the Gary Neville effects. Oh, yes. Oh, shit. What's happened, gal? Oh, God. Here we go, Jamie. So you remember last year? No. I do apologise for the part. Do you remember last year we brought the guy's thing, the shirt in the box? Do you remember the box where you basically got a mystery shirt and it was a present? Oh, yeah. Right? I went to Belfast, it was in February, and you opened it on the show. The guy, Rory, who set up the company, he's put the Gary Neville effect, but it's the overlap effect. So I'm just putting that out there. So basically, sales went up to$4 million a year after it came on air.

37:43What, with the Gary Neville effect? Well, the overlap effect. But why has it got Gary Neville effect? He put that on there, I didn't ask for it. I don't know, Gal, you need to, you know. I know. It should be the overlap. It's him, isn't it? I know, he gave me this yesterday. I was in Belfast. You don't know what shot you're getting. So basically, you can go up here, Roy, you open one. I got one the other week on a court. One's a rugby shirt, one's a football shirt. But basically, sales jumped after the show. Brilliant. So well done, everybody. If you now invested in it. You've helped a young man make...

38:09Four million? Yeah, you've helped a young man make... Four million revenue. Oh, brilliant for him. Yeah, so you've helped a young man, everybody on 60 Footballer watches it. You don't know what shot you're getting? Build his business. No, that's the... And then what do you do with it? You wear it. Can you remember? Oh, I thought it was like a football shirt. No, they're a football shirt. So one's a football shirt, one's a rugby shirt. Can you remember this sign? If you do that, it's like a woman with her legs open. Oh, Jill. God, Jill. LAUGHTER What's the name of the team, please, Jill? This pair of shirts have just dropped.

38:41No, they've just gone up. Something else hasn't dropped, have you? Barry. Who? Barry. Barry. That's a nice shirt. Jill, do you want to go put it on? Yeah. For him? Yeah. And that's a rugby shirt of, I don't know who it is. It's a French team. It's a French team, I think. This is a really nice shirt. So basically, you get a retro shirt from like 20 years ago, 15 years ago, 40 years ago. And basically, that's your present. Nice. Yeah. What is this thing you say? That's a rugby shirt. So the Pearson Bars, I don't know either. It's nice colours. So you get a shirt, you have no idea what you're going to get.

39:18We don't know who this team is, do we? Who's this? Who's ACA rugby? I need my stylist. Can we look at that? Allianz. Is Allianz Germany? Allianz Germany? Germany don't play rugby, do they? It's lovely. French. You know what? See, that's what you do. Look at that. Cutty Sark. Athletic Club Albany. Athletic Club Albany. Athletic Club Albany. Maybe. Is it a rugby team? That's nice. I really like this. The colours are nice. Yeah, I just thought we'd mention that. That's really nice. Rory. I'll put it up there. Gary Neville. Have you invested in it? No, no, no, no. You should have done. I was on a coaching thing the other week and I got one of these in a box.

39:53Yeah, it's good. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing.

40:02Frank Lampard, Coventry. Yes. Who thought when Frank Lampard went to Coventry, who thought, who thought like that's going to, that could be his last job in football. No, but why would you think that? Truthfully. No, I just thought that basically he's obviously had the big job and then he goes back to Coventry and you think to yourself, if he goes wrong there, it'd be difficult Of course It was a big risk It was a big risk What was his option though? I used to think about him and Stevie obviously if I were going to Premier League you know a few ups and downs they're probably never going to go lower than top championship because they want to obviously have the opportunity to go back to the Premier League so I always thought I think Stevie now if he goes back into management and it's not Rangers it's probably one of those clubs sort of you know you think he's got a chance of probably getting back into the Premier League But were you surprised when Coventry I mean Coventry's a great club Which is not one of them clubs that you're thinking, yeah, they're amongst it, and if you get the right manager, they'll come up.

40:57Oh, no, it's been brilliant. Do you know, I think they're a proper run club now. You hear the stuff coming out of Coventry, obviously not just because they're flying, but in the last few years they've been getting close. And you look at the stadium, and obviously going back to the years when they were a really decent team. But I think they're a proper club now in terms of the business behind the scenes. And he's ready. That was a good fit. Yeah, it was good. Do you think it's good that they didn't go up last season and have another season? Well, they should have gone to last year, shouldn't they?

41:22I know, but do you think it's probably done them good, half an another? Maybe, Jill. But I'm always reluctant to say, like, it wasn't right for them to go up last year. But I think a couple of years ago, I think they were in the playoffs as well, the year before. Yeah. Was it Luton beat them? Maybe two years ago, I'm quite ready. But Jacques has played for them, didn't he? Yeah, yeah. You know, what's good about the way it's gone for him is that everything he's learned, like, obviously, the Chelsea job, I thought, obviously, you're thinking to yourself. I was more surprised in getting the Chelsea job in doing the Coventry one, to be honest.

41:51But like, what he's probably learned with all the negativity that's happened, what he's had to learn, how to deal with people, dealing with... Like you say, Roy, it's probably perfect now, Coventry. And you know what, he's done well as well, obviously, after the big playoff last year, the defeat, where they should have gone up, they were the best team in that playoff game, definitely. Obviously, credit to Sunderland hanging in there. And then you think, it might take them a few months to get over it. They've regrouped and gone again. He's done well as well. Because you know what Frank's like, He's very, like, focused.

42:19So he's gone back again. He's gone back again when people say, Coventry, Frank. Yeah, yeah. You know what? Brilliant. You used to, obviously, being involved in managers. I always think when you're using Frank as an example, and you talk about ups and downs, but there's a lot of really good stuff there in his short managerial career so far. But because, and you two are the same, such big names, there's so many eyes on you as a manager. whereas if you say if you looked at and I'm using someone as an example like a Jürgen Klopp isn't like a big name player and you looked at his sort of early time or different times you know I think got relegated at mines there isn't as many they can almost make mistakes pluses and minuses yeah whereas I think big name players if you have a setback it takes harder to recover I think if you've had a decent career but then you're almost not allowed to learn and make mistakes because you're being this big player the plus is that you probably do get maybe opportunities He's quicker than other managers.

43:15Other managers will argue that point. But then people say, yeah, if you go the other way and go to a lower... He's like, well, he hasn't got the players to implement his football. So he can't do it at that level. He has to. You can't win. That's unfair. You can't win. And also then when you have a difficult spell, they go, oh, you'll never be as good as a manager or a player. They throw all that. Instead of, again, good points, looking at managers going, they're learning their trade like every other manager. Just because they had a good career, let them make them feel mistakes. That's what you want.

43:42Hopefully you get that other opportunity. Fucking pundit sites.

43:48I'd be nice to see Coventry back, wouldn't it? Yeah, we'd nice to see them. Coventry, to be fair, when I first started in the first team, Coventry were playing. Darren Huckabee, Peter and Love, Bobby Keane. Dion. Harts. Dion, yeah. Brilliant. Remember that wheeling? Was it the wheeling? The big fellow up front? Bellamy was there. No wheeling. No wheeling. Remember Kilcline at the back home a few years ago? Who was the little winger? I've got to go back to Spurs. Bennett. He put the cross in the house. Yeah, that was Bennett. But there's also another little lad in midfield. Glyn. The little fella.

44:19I can see him with the black hair and the little moustache. Glyn? Glyn? Mickey Flynn? Flynn? Was there a player as well? Peter Endosie or something? Who's the midfielder? It's Glyn. It's Glyn. No. Mickey Glyn. Mickey Glyn? No, no, no. It's not Sean Flynn. I think it's Mickey something. He's out this piece. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Black hair. Have we got any help? No. You know what? I was talking about. I've got a clue. And I described him as to our James, because obviously before his time, you can't believe that Coventry were in the First Division every year. I said, they were almost like a palace.

44:50Not palace now, but you'd always felt they'd never go down, but they were always in the middle. I was explaining the cup. We were talking about them yesterday, but in the cup, it's one of the most famous, probably FA Cup games that everyone remembers. When we went up, when Palace, when we came up. Sean Flynn. It's not Sean. No, it's not Sean. It's Mickey. Mickey. We had to play some top two. Gin. Gin. Gin. Gin. Mickey. Gin. Mickey. I know Mickey Quinn. Mickey Quinn. We're Palace. Little midfield player. You know, you look at, you see Liverpool, you see United, you see Tottenham, you see them names and then we saw Coventry and was thinking, oh yes, at least we get a break with Coventry.

45:22They were different. Can I tell you the story about Coventry? The right back. Who was the right back? Who was the right back? He played Hurrows. No, right back. Boroughs was left back. What's the right back? Who was the right back? Coventry. Boroughs was left. He was a right back. What's the big one? Ryan Hurrows. I was on a right back, ended up I played with him up at Celtic or maybe I'm going too far back Gordon was there Coventry was where Roy pinned me up in the dressing room at half time the only time oh Jesus he said pin you up Gary Roy you never forget a pinning what for what for I wasn't a pinning kind of guy I just you lied so you didn't want to hit me but you wanted to know that you could hit me what was it for so basically the ball gets played out Gary says basically there's a lie coming yeah basically Basically, let me be playing my own business and he attacked me, your honour.

46:11Go on, go on, basic. So basically, the ball gets played out to me on the right hand. Just before half-time, like 44 minutes, he's right on half-time. 44, the detail. Because he's traumatised, bro, go on, gal. Right, and basically, I've gone to, I've took a touch to take it down the line and then basically put it in. And he said, play it in first fucking time. So he wanted me to play it in first time. Yes. I went, fuck off. What? Basically, he said. He comes at me so fast. Anyway, it was just on the way. And I think he shouted at me like that. And basically, unfortunate for me, the halftime whistle.

46:50I needed five minutes. Calm down. Did you stay out on the pitch? I got in at halftime. You just grab it. Oh, Gary, I don't believe you. Can you not remember? Because I don't get happy. You're like Rory McEnroy. You make up these stories. You know what I can see you doing? No, I'm not a pinning guy. Because he said it so close to half-time. Yeah, maybe, yeah. That's quite hard for him to put the ball in first time if you've pinged it in. No, but I would have roared it for him first time. You give a type of pass to put it in first time. You don't have to pass. I'm going to find it for him. Yeah, because a pinning is almost like, I got you, I couldn't move.

47:32A pinning is like... Yeah, it's like a... It's like a bullying you off, man. And then the whole of the second half, whatever, come in, you were just kicking it first. Every cross from there and in was first time. For the next ten years. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Last one. Theo Walcott said on It's Cold Soccer that players would check their phones at half-time. Different world. I witnessed that at the end of my career. No. Yeah. Half-time? Yeah. You were the younger players going on social media to see how they were doing. No, no. Yeah. No, that can't happen.

48:12Surely that's like, if you are checking your phone... Is that mine? Yeah, but it's switched off, isn't it? Is it vibrating? That can count. It's an Irish number. What's that number? It's not a spam number. Surely that's a manager thing, isn't it, gal? How the hell are you going to have your phone anywhere near you? I knew that phones, to be fair, at the end of the game, I didn't know phones were coming in at half-time with players checking phones at half-time. No, I didn't. But then it's a different generation, isn't it? I don't know what it's like. That doesn't mean seriously. You don't think people go, it's a different generation.

48:40That should never be acceptable. If you came in at halftime, what's the last thing on your mind would be, I want to check my phone? But when they live in this world of like, that's where they get the validation from, they don't get validation from teaming. Do you think they're going on social media? Yeah, I did witness it a couple of times. Would they not? I can't, look, maybe they are going on social media, which would be just absolute madness, by the way. I would think, Oh, these players now have teams around them. Teams. And I think that maybe they're looking for a bit of feedback on what you can do, how you play.

49:10I don't know, I might be wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's say they've got their own fitness coach or they've got their own goalkeeping coach or they've got their own manager who's doing some stuff. I can see that type of stuff. Surely there shouldn't be that much involved in it, Gal, where you're checking it at half-time. No, no, I was blown away. That's why I put it in, because I just thought, I never knew that... I knew players at the end of the game would go and get on the phone. So he said that happened, like, in the first team? He just said players check their phones at half-time. but it wouldn't be when the manager was in it's like when you come in just quickly and then yeah I did check an email maybe but yeah I don't know I don't know check an email what manager social media if you come in what stage do you do that when you just get in and you sit down and you go I'd be great when the managers are coming that'd be great if you're a manager and you want to know and you see one of the lads check in you're like oh that's great you know what you're flinging a Buddha I wish we could find out get Carol Prince on that one get Carol Prince on the field about the phone, telling the story about people checking their phone.

50:05He could find out, yes, come, come, come. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy. Come, come, come. I just got this information from someone else who was in the dressing room. I'd love to see that. I can't believe it. I can't see that's widespread. I can't see that's widespread. Where did Theo play at the end? Everton? Everton. Southampton? Southampton at the end, maybe? But he's not actually said it happened when he was in it. Is he just talking about what they're doing now? It's what he's experienced, isn't it? Yeah. But you have to set rules where it's like no phones in the changing rooms. You probably didn't have to do that.

50:36Your phone would have been about this big. Hello! He was right as well, though, but phones did come in, to be fair, and you didn't have phones in the dressing rooms. Even in the training ground, he wasn't having it. Uli was like that. Obviously, it's going back a long time, but he said no-one can even bring the dressing room in. So you put all these rules down, then when you leave the club, when the manager's upset at you and all the other players, it's like you're on your own then, you know what I mean? but you were trying to help. But when you tried to help, no one's there. It's brilliant. Amazing.

51:04Nice. I would have helped you. I would have been there. As you're waving out the door, you know what I mean? Lovely. On the phones. See you later. We can all relax now. When he's gone, he goes, he was right. Anyway, let's get on with it. Right, that's the end of Stick to Football this week. Brought to you by Arne and we're gone. Thanks, Arne. Thank you, Arne.

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