Training Ground Bust Ups & Ranking Sports, Films & TV Shows! | Stick to Football EP 87

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2:10Gary Neville: Are you alright, okay? Yeah, I'm good How are we?

2:16Paul Scholes: Yeah, brilliant Brilliant But Ireland is really good Yeah, they're good aren't they? They're cheap Yeah, yeah I flew in the other day

2:23Ian Wright: Did I tell you I was in Ireland? I was in Crumbling No, no, no I went to see I went to a boxing match

2:30Gary Neville: Right, community questions

2:34Gary Neville: Who is the greatest combined player manager? of all time.

2:38Roy Keane: Gary, are you not on there? When did this lower bush being seen start with you? It's like something happened over the last two years. It's like posting on his Instagram

2:46Ian Wright: like he loves them. I got mentioned Teddy Schoenner. Teddy's course beautiful. Oh, because he's from London. You know what I've never seen? Doctor Who. What is it?

2:55Gary Neville: I screamed it and shouted it. I just snapped. Did Phil get involved? Did Phil come in?

2:59Paul Scholes: Like Scrappy-Doo. Yeah, but you're driving a fast. It's like being on the end six.

3:05Gary Neville: Antiques Roadshow. What? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Everybody needs to hear what you've just said. The worst refereeing decision you've ever seen.

3:13Roy Keane: Maradona. Your own league definitely handled that.

3:20Gary Neville: Who is the greatest combined player-manager of all time? Carlo Ancelotti, Pep Guardiola, Luis Enrique, Johan Cruyff, Kenny Dalgleish, Zinedine Zidane, Brian Clough. They're the ones that have been named here. There's no more you can think of. That can't be Brian Clough. Who? He said him first. I said him 31st, yeah. That's a really tough question.

3:41Paul Scholes: That's a tough one. Brian Clough's career as a player compared to these. Oh, Jesus. Brian Clough's a brilliant manager. I know what he did as a manager, though. As a manager, yeah. I'm going to go for Johan Cruyff. I think Johan Cruyff is... We always say don't need the best managers and the best players. Cruyff's probably in the top five or six players to ever play. I think what he did as a manager, but what he's sort of implemented at Barcelona the whole

4:07Ian Wright: I think that goes to a different realm I think Cruyff is probably the number one person in football across the whole you think so? yeah I just think when I think of say like Pelé and Maradona I think they obviously I didn't see these players play but they're probably seen as being above a Cruyff but you couldn't imagine Maradona or Pelé being a manager couldn't you I just think Cruyff's understanding of must have an unbelievable

4:31Paul Scholes: footballing brain yeah I just think when you're You have that vision and bravery to go and put that in a team or in a club. And DNA, that's still there today.

4:42Ian Wright: I remember watching the 74 World Cup when he was under so much pressure to be the guy. And in the first half of the minutes, he blasted past Bertie Volz, got the penalty. I think if Holland win that, because they got to that final and the 78, I think it would have been even different. Could you imagine? You know what? I was going to say, obviously, what Zidane's done. Beckenbauer? Beckenbauer?

5:07Gary Neville: That should be on there, yeah. Beckenbauer should be on there. That should be on there, he should, yeah.

5:11Roy Keane: Gary, are you not on there?

5:15Paul Scholes: You know something?

5:19Paul Scholes: No, it's good. Beckenbauer's a good one. That's a really good question.

5:22Gary Neville: Beckenbauer's a good one.

5:23Paul Scholes: What would you want more? Would you want to be, when you're younger, do you want to be a great player or a great manager when you're growing? Great player. It's about playing, isn't it? Yeah. You don't think about managing until you get...

5:31Gary Neville: I think it's harder to be a great manager than a great player. Yeah, I agree. You think about it, there's only a few managers... No, I don't. Neither. But there's only a few great managers... If you think about it, there's only a few managers get to the very top.

5:42Roy Keane: Yeah.

5:42Gary Neville: Ever. You know what I mean? You talk about one or two in each country.

5:46Roy Keane: It's a really good question, that. I met Cruyff when... We've got to answer it yet. You know the 2006 World Cup? When the family's hotel... I guess it says Zidane. He was there.

5:54Ian Wright: Where's Zidane? I was there one afternoon and Cruyff was there. And I remember just speaking to him. I just bumped into him for a couple of minutes. I probably didn't have a clue who I was, to be honest. But it's one of those things I always regret that I didn't almost just... Not annoying, but, you know, just like... No, I had a good time. I'm having half an hour, but you're not moving. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Yeah, I play golf with him. So you got me a headlock? Yeah! That's what we do. I play golf with him and his missus. You play golf with him? Did you? Did you? Yeah, he was one who said to me about being a coach.

6:21Ian Wright: Yeah, but... Because I said, yeah, but I ain't got the badge. He said, you don't need a badge. Well, he won as a manager. Sit in the stands, let other people do it. You don't need a badge to tell people how to play football. Who said that? Pro said that, yeah.

6:33Roy Keane: That's like when I first met you, I was just like, you probably won't remember, but I was like, tell us everything about Sunderland. And I just kept you there about an hour. Wow, I can't believe that.

6:42Ian Wright: Did I give you the time? No way, I can't believe him being the time. Yeah, you did.

6:44Roy Keane: You're actually really nice. I was like, tell us the stories.

6:48Paul Scholes: I can't believe that. Three Champions Leagues. I know, tumble it with that. Is that a manager or a player? It's a manager. Underworld Cup was a player obviously yeah such a good player

6:59Roy Keane: Pep's got to be up there

7:01Ian Wright: I like Beckenbauer especially when the European Cup they won it three times on the spinners remember Ajax done it as well but Beckenbauer got to be way up there he won as a manager didn't he yeah 1990 1990 win it yeah Beckenbauer's a player I can't believe that I'm trying to think there's more satisfaction

7:19Paul Scholes: it's easier to be a better player than a better manager because obviously a lot of stuff's out of your control but if you win something As a manager, that's satisfaction for everyone at the club and staff.

7:28Roy Keane: Do you think that's a better feeling? I think as a manager, probably. Do you?

7:31Paul Scholes: Yeah, I would imagine it would be, yeah. And a lot of it, when you're a manager, obviously, again, it's like relief when you get a... Yeah, yeah.

7:36Gary Neville: Because you're depending on people, right? Oh, absolutely. How many champions did Ancelotti win? As a manager. As a manager, five. Six? Yeah. Five or six? As a manager? As a manager. As you know, he won it with three different clubs or something. He's only won it with... He's only won it with... He's only won it with AC Milan against us. No, he won it twice with AC Milan. And how many times? Five altogether.

7:58Paul Scholes: And as a player?

7:58Gary Neville: As a player? As a player. Twice. He won it as a player. 89 and 90. How many times?

8:03Roy Keane: 20 years apart as well. Twice as a player.

8:06Paul Scholes: I'll tell you what.

8:09Roy Keane: OK, he wins.

8:11Paul Scholes: He's really starting to go. Was he a great player, Angelotti? Can you remember? Yeah, I met him.

8:15Gary Neville: And Angelotti's the opposite in some ways of the sort of Cruyff-Guardiola model whereby he's not so fixed in terms of his style. That's what I love about him.

8:22Paul Scholes: I do but I love that about different managers you want to have Brian Clough different personality different traits when you hear about managers going I put my arm around players other managers have nothing to do with they keep their distance it's amazing what works for certain people I think what Cruyff

8:35Ian Wright: left if I'm going to go Cruyff or Beckham I'm going to go with Cruyff I'm going to go with Cruyff the thing I it's the influence on the game yeah he fell out with Ajax then he went back when he was 34 he went back for a year with Ajax had a fallout I'm leaving then went to the biggest rivals final You've seen the World Cup as well, 74, where he wouldn't wear Adidas, he just took the striper off on. He had two. Gangster. Gangster move.

9:01Roy Keane: So does Coif win?

9:03Ian Wright: You can't say that about your sponsor.

9:05Gary Neville: No, but it's fantastic. What is that? Is that for law? Is that Bellingham? Is that Bellingham stuff? Is that the Velvet Bellingham? He was mascot.

9:13Ian Wright: What if I send me the gear? I'm going to wear the gear, aren't I? I mean, it's a nice... Did you like it in the green? It is a nice jacket, actually.

9:20Gary Neville: I said it was nice. We're moving on. Rank the following sports one to five. We've got to get to a collective position on this. So it's cricket, snooker, F1, golf, tennis. All right, well, cricket's at the bottom. Oh, it's not.

9:33Paul Scholes: Oh, Gary's got 100.

9:35Ian Wright: Come on, Gal.

9:36Roy Keane: I do like tennis. I'm not having cricket at the bottom of that. I do like tennis.

9:40Paul Scholes: I'd put F1 at the bottom.

9:42Roy Keane: You've not seen Drive to Survive? I am.

9:44Gary Neville: Are you saying which ones we like to watch on the TV? I think we'll just say which ones we like. Go on, say them again. Cricket, snooker, F1, golf, tennis.

9:54Roy Keane: I like tennis when you watch it live. Would you sit at home and watch the F1? Now I would.

10:01Paul Scholes: Now we're driving to Survivor. Not necessarily the race, all that goes on our own. I'm interested in that. I'd watch the Saturday race in the end of it. I don't think I'd sit and watch the golf. Golf the top? For me, yeah. The best? Out of the five?

10:13Roy Keane: Tennis.

10:14Paul Scholes: I'm not going to tell you. Golf for me. I'm not a lover of tennis, but I went to that US Open last year. Tennis. Yeah. Where is it, Rydy? Where is it? Where's the American tennis? The big final in... Springs. Oh, yeah. Did you go? I win. It was brilliant. I have to say, it was a good experience. Where's the place? It's a good one. Anyone can support me on Snooker being at the bottom. Snooker being at the bottom. Flashing men. Yeah. Not if it's Ronnie. Not if it's Ronnie. No, no, no. Not if Ronnie's... Have you been?

10:39Gary Neville: Have you been to the embassy? I have been. I have been. It's good. You know what? I like Snooker as well, but is it at the bottom of those five sports?

10:43Ian Wright: It's not at the bottom of those because the skill involved in that is amazing.

10:47Gary Neville: Cricket to you. Well, the school in every sport is amazing. All right, tennis at the bottom then.

10:50Roy Keane: No!

10:53Paul Scholes: I'm going cricket at the bottom. Cricket at the bottom, free. No way. I'm going with my team. I'm going cricket at the bottom. How can you watch a match for four days and it'll be a fucking draw? You know what I mean? People spend half the... That's endurance and concentration. People spend the fortune to go and watch a match. Oh, it's raining, the game's off. It's raining, the game's cancelled. I love cricket, but that is a great point. The weather stuff is... The weather. All the lads sitting there eating sandwiches.

11:19Ian Wright: We haven't got a weather for cricket. They'll come out and end it out at the first spot. That's why the Indians are so great.

11:24Gary Neville: They've got the weather for it.

11:25Roy Keane: I feel bad.

11:26Gary Neville: Cricket's at the bottom, unfortunately. I don't agree. F1 has to be next. F1 next, anyone support that?

11:32Ian Wright: We've got F1 tennis. Use that cricket, will you let us have F1 next? I'm not happy. I feel like you need to go to the F1, though. Golf at the top. Can we go golf top? I don't think it's amazing.

11:44Paul Scholes: Golf's good every few months. the last day and if it's close but you don't watch it Thursday, Friday and Saturday do you? No. You watch it on the final day.

11:51Roy Keane: So what do you want to go talk?

11:53Ian Wright: Because this is what you need to do. You need to start watching it from the first day to realise the pressure that's building on these guys.

11:58Gary Neville: I know you don't have any of them but you've got to rank them. I know. So basically we've got cricket at the bottom unfortunately. Are we going F1 next or are we going snooker next? I'm not happy about

12:11Roy Keane: Snooker. See I love snooker. If the Rockets play I mean you've got to watch. Do you think it's as skilful

12:15Paul Scholes: to play sneaker. Very skilful. They're all skilful. Are playing golf. What seems more pressure? If you put yourself in their shoes, imagine playing cricket and someone bowling fast at you. That would be... Can we just get over the way? You're fucking kicking around your neck.

12:30Gary Neville: Imagine 150, 200 miles an hour going around the track. That's the one. F1 for risk is the highest.

12:37Paul Scholes: But then it is just driving a car, isn't it? Yeah, but it's not just driving a car. Yeah, but you're driving fast. It's like being on the M6.

12:43Ian Wright: It's the level of... It's not getting away, you're flashing. It's a level of meticulism. It's exactly like that. People who drive in the middle lane, oh my God. You know what it is with F1? It's the margins. It's the margins.

12:54Gary Neville: I mean, most people have an argument with people on the outside. You're having arguments with people on the inside. So who are we doing after? Sorry, we've gone cricket. You know what? I'm not even bothered.

13:04Ian Wright: Just hurry up and do it. Let's do it. That's what I'm trying to. Why don't we just put golf one? Just put the many mixed. I'm going to snooker two. Ten tennis.

13:13Gary Neville: Golf one. Right, golf one. Golf one, cricket bottom. Next after golf, we're going... Snooker. Snooker. Yeah. Are you? Really? I'm not sure about that.

13:24Roy Keane: Tennis.

13:25Gary Neville: Yeah, tennis, yeah. Tennis. OK, tennis. We're going golf, tennis, snooker, F1, cricket. Cricket should not be at the bottom of that.

13:34Roy Keane: So sorry to everyone who plays cricket.

13:37Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybet. What's the one film everyone should have watched? One film. One film? Oh, um...

13:49Roy Keane: Ever? Ever? The Prestige. Have you watched it yet?

13:52Gary Neville: Is that The Magician? The Magician.

13:54Roy Keane: I think I have seen it.

13:55Gary Neville: I'm going to go Braveheart. Are you talking about Ever? Yeah. I've never heard of that. I do not. Prestige. Watch it.

14:02Ian Wright: Christian Bell. I hear that. Christian Bell's a good movie. I can't even feel it as someone hasn't heard of it. It's like the best film ever. No, not the best film ever. I think I've seen it. You've got to watch it. It's a bit busy. You've got to watch it. A Star is Born. I haven't seen that. Chill out, girl. Shawshank Redemption is a...

14:17Roy Keane: Oh, what a movie. Shawshank Redemption. I've seen that in theatre.

14:20Gary Neville: Shawshank, Braveheart. Dumb and Dumber. Dumb and Dumber. Usual Suspects.

14:25Roy Keane: Did you look at them?

14:26Ian Wright: Usual Suspects.

14:27Roy Keane: The Prestige.

14:28Ian Wright: The Prestige, right, OK. Fancy having a film that hardly people know, Jill.

14:31Roy Keane: I know, but that's why you need to watch it. Is it just out now?

14:34Ian Wright: No, it's been out in years.

14:35Gary Neville: What's the one album everyone should have listened to? Oh. Exodus. Sergeant Pepper. I'm going to go, born in the USA, Bruce Springsteen. Of course you are. When did this love of Bruce Springsteen start with you? It's like something happened over the last two years. Are you going to... He was like posting on his Instagram. Everything's like, Bruce Springsteen, I'm just walking around in all that gear.

14:54Ian Wright: In the last two years?

14:55Paul Scholes: Exodus.

14:58Roy Keane: Are you going to the co-op?

15:00Paul Scholes: Yeah. Yeah. Michael Jackson thriller. Oh, it was...

15:04Roy Keane: Michael Jackson thriller. Album.

15:05Paul Scholes: Album. I'm probably going with Exodus. Bob Marr.

15:07Ian Wright: Bob Marr. Rumours. Bob Marley. I've got Bob Marley. I'm different...

15:12Roy Keane: Thriller.

15:12Ian Wright: Thriller.

15:13Roy Keane: I'm a different generation. Just one. Take that greatest hit. Take what? Come on, Jill. Take that greatest hit. The Beatles' Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts.

15:21Gary Neville: I'd take that. OK. What's the one book everyone should have read?

15:25Roy Keane: Fifty Shades of Grey.

15:26Gary Neville: Big Dungs autobiography.

15:28Paul Scholes: What did you say? Big Dungs book.

15:31Gary Neville: Big Dungs book. Book.

15:34Roy Keane: Book. In Sunderland, Book.

15:36Paul Scholes: Book. Book. I read about it and I laughed at it like Suggs from Madness I enjoyed that was that a good one it's good one good book you know I tell you what's just come to me Simon Jordan's autobiography I read about I don't know 10, 15 years ago was very good but very funny as well he was very honest about it really yeah it was good ah Jordan or Simon yeah

16:01Gary Neville: Jordan Simon what do you call him Jordan Simon I'll go for it the one that got away Chris Ryan and it was a war one about a guy who escaped. Who's Chris Ryan? You've seen that one? Yeah. The one that got away. He basically... He's talking about something like not football related. He got detached from his... It can be. It's a book. It can be any book. I can't read stuff that's not football. I find it really hard.

16:22Roy Keane: Can you not? Are you just completely football, like everyday football? No, but I mean, I find it hard to read something that's a bit... You know, I want the information so I can use it. I don't just... So every day is a learning day? That's right.

16:36Ian Wright: You know what I read? It's not the book, but the book I read the last one, it was The Siege, the Iranian embassy thing. It was one of those. Have you seen that? Yeah. You haven't.

16:51Ian Wright: Honestly. Tell me about it. What happened? About the Iranian embassy. When they raided the Iranian embassy, took people hostage. Yeah, yeah. It's just one of those, because I remember watching it when I was a kid, when it was on the news. So you watched it. So what are you reading about? Now because you're reading about the actual people and what they were doing, it was really deep.

17:13Roy Keane: Have you ever read The Chimp Paradox? I think I have read it, yeah.

17:16Ian Wright: It did help us. How can you think you've read something? How do you even forget a name like that? How do you forget? Did I read The Chimp Paradox?

17:23Paul Scholes: I tried to read that book. I did, I tried to read it, but I had a gorilla on my shoulders. Put that down.

17:29Roy Keane: You probably are the chimp on everyone's shoulder.

17:32Gary Neville: Okay. what's harder to win the Premier League or Champions League this is an age old question Champions League simple simple there you go

17:41Roy Keane: you need that consistency Liverpool have won the league 20 times won the European Cup 6 times Man United have won the league 20 times they've won the European Cup 3 times no teams have won the European Cup more than their own league

17:53Paul Scholes: listen what I'm saying simple does the difference you know about this Champions League is it 6 or 7 teams can how many teams it was that who come in your ear potentially 6 or 7 teams to get the Chapman's League this year, isn't there?

18:04Roy Keane: Dependent on the... Obviously, yes.

18:06Paul Scholes: Five, six teams, yeah. Like, come on. A Real Madrid fan would probably say that the Chapman's League... There's more opportunity, Jamie, for teams to win the Chapman's League, but of course it's hard, obviously. Yeah.

18:17Gary Neville: You'd probably say that. What's the best celebration of all time?

18:21Roy Keane: Oh, do you know which one I loved? I can't remember what team it was, but when they did that bike. Can you remember?

18:29Gary Neville: I think they said, like, Taradeli or something. Yeah, yeah.

18:33Ian Wright: With Jimmy Bullard's. Yeah, I liked that one. I hated that. Foolishness. No, I liked that. Sorry, Jimmy. Tardelli in the world. Marco Tardelli. The veins popping out of his arm. Crying. It was beautiful.

18:46Roy Keane: I thought you meant like...

18:47Ian Wright: Tardelli. The Cantona one was good. Cantona when he stood there like that. That was good. The Tardelli one was pure emotion. It was 5-0, do you know what I mean? Pure emotion Tardelli. Watching that one, you felt that. Like Leach jumping over the advertising, you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, in the... Wembley.

19:03Roy Keane: I love it when players do a new slide and the glasses have worked. When Mick Harford stood on all those people doing the air celebration.

19:10Ian Wright: Tar-delly? Anyone disagree? I'm going nowhere. Tar-delly, Marco. I'm seeing the bike.

19:15Gary Neville: Marco. Oh, right. Sorry. I thought you were still talking. What's the most underrated TV show ever?

19:25Ian Wright: Friends. No.

19:26Gary Neville: It's not underrated. Underrated. It's overrated. Dallas.

19:31Ian Wright: Dallas?

19:32Gary Neville: Jesus, you've gone back there.

19:34Paul Scholes: Is Dallas overrated, underrated? Do you ever watch the IT crowd, anybody? I've heard of it. I've watched a bit of it, yeah. Oh, it's funny. Anyone watch the IT crowd? What is it about? It's funny, isn't it? It's funny. What's it about? Two guys who walk fits and converse in an office. Antiques Roadshow is underrated. What? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

19:52Ian Wright: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Underrated. You can't say something like that without people talking. Everybody needs to hear what you've just said.

19:58Gary Neville: Antiques Roadshow, underrated. That is one of those shows that if you put on, you're losing the will to live out. If you're in a room someone's older and you're kidding, and you think, oh, what can I give you the remote? Get this off. What time is that off?

20:09Roy Keane: It reminds us of being ill on a school year. It's a Sunday.

20:11Gary Neville: Eight o 'clock Sunday night. If you get home from Super Sunday or if you're not working. You watch it? Yeah. Girl, you know something?

20:16Roy Keane: Does it just switch off?

20:18Gary Neville: I actually watch it. Do you know something? I don't watch, I watch very few television programmes, but that is one I can watch. Yeah, because maybe you find it relaxing, you mean. I just watch it, I can escape. Of course, I get that. It's interesting, someone's brought a relic from sort of like 1926 or 1742.

20:32Ian Wright: I love this about you. I love that you do that, girl.

20:35Paul Scholes: I like watching sometimes, I think it's on about half five on ITV4, Minder, the old one. I love that. The 18th. The 18th. The dinner's been made behind it. You know, when I was living up Minder, I always remember that, my mate at school, he said, your dad reminds me of Arthur Daly. You know the one?

20:55Ian Wright: Arthur Daly. Yeah. I know it's not underrated, but the one for me is that I cannot... If I'm flicking through, I can't... There's only Fools and Authors. Oh, I love it. Everyone loves that. That's what I'm saying. I don't know. What's underrated?

21:08Roy Keane: Fawlty Towers is not underrated. Fawlty Towers. Oh, I used to love that. That was funny. I used to like Bottom. Can you remember Bottom? Yeah. On a Friday.

21:15Ian Wright: I watched one program, but to be Only Fools. Yeah, Only Fools.

21:18Roy Keane: You know what I used to watch?

21:20Ian Wright: No, The Office. You have to watch The Office. Oh, The Office. The Office is amazing. You know what I've never seen?

21:25Gary Neville: Doctor Who oh no I haven't seen that what is it I can't watch anything in the future or anything that's not real well we can tell you're just like relics from 1742 anything in the past though no anything from the future that's futuristic yeah

21:40Roy Keane: I can't do that I like keeping up appearances remember that

21:44Paul Scholes: we saw like Friends because it used to be on a Friday night didn't it Columbo oh I love Friends

21:50Ian Wright: Columbo was great I watch it still now on a plane yeah one more thing One more thing. One more thing. One more thing. Anyway. Yeah, I like Columbo.

21:58Paul Scholes: Yeah, I like Columbo. Yeah. We've got Columbo. Right, OK, we're finishing on Columbo. Columbo. No, you've got to say, one more thing. One more thing.

22:07Ian Wright: You know, that was good about Columbo because the people, every week, they're treating him like an idiot, and then he just twists them around, and then he does the, oh, yeah. And remember that bit about it? Anyway, I've got to go. And then they're like, oh, fuck it. Oh, Jesus, he's got us. What kind of did I, man? We did crappy cowards. Yeah, the shit. I don't know what it was. How do you remember the beige mac? Right. Yes, it was a little... Yes, oh, sorry.

22:29Roy Keane: Have you got an item that you would take on the Antique Roadshow?

22:33Gary Neville: Gary.

22:34Ian Wright: Are you serious about the Antique Roadshow?

22:36Gary Neville: Do you know something? It was brilliant when they take on the war medals or the old watches.

22:40Ian Wright: Have you got anything you've got? What about people who come on and they are excited about it and he says, well, that's actually worth a fuck all. Yeah,£40.

22:48Roy Keane: Or it's like£42.

22:50Ian Wright: Yeah. So you watch it all and they say...

22:52Gary Neville: That's more than expected. They always say that. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybet.

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25:06Gary Neville: Which player has the best five-goal catalog ever? Strange question, but in the world yeah it's the best five goal catalogue Letizia

25:17Paul Scholes: has got to be in there right yeah Henri

25:20Ian Wright: Messi they must be on the opposite I'd probably like to see Luis Suarez's top five

25:26Roy Keane: Bergkamp

25:26Paul Scholes: righty Bergkamp Bergkamp yeah them couple he got up in Newcastle that one at all Scholesy

25:36Gary Neville: Scholesy Bollie

25:37Ian Wright: Scholesy

25:38Gary Neville: let's do your top five now let's do Scholesy's top five get on with it Scholesy Go on or top five? That wasn't the question.

25:45Paul Scholes: You eat right. Chip. Chip at least.

25:48Gary Neville: His goals is top five. Chip. Barcelona, semi-final.

25:51Paul Scholes: No, it was a miskick. No, it was a miskick. You went in from 30 yards. You said importance. Who? Importance are good goals. Sorry, which one? His goals is best five. Which one?

25:59Gary Neville: I'm going Barcelona. I'm going Villa away is the best. It's not your best goals, though, is it? Villa away is the best. Yeah, right. Villa away is the best. Is it the best goal or the best leg key? Bradford away. Yeah. Bradford away. Barcelona, Bradford, Villa. I like the header against City. City.

26:16Roy Keane: Didn't he have a good one for England?

26:18Paul Scholes: One, probably.

26:19Roy Keane: No, I'm sure he scored two.

26:23Paul Scholes: There was one at Middlesbrough. Middlesbrough, I pass it to you. Another one. Yeah, Middlesbrough.

26:27Roy Keane: Did he make your cross look good?

26:29Ian Wright: That's an assist. That's actually an assist now, you know. You know something, if I'm going to be totally honest. Yeah, Middlesbrough's a good one. Straight off the top of the head, with all the players that we can choose, I would go with Etizier.

26:42Ian Wright: I know you're the greatest goals Even when I think back now I think it was only a day I saw some Latiz goals What about my top five? Yeah they're unbelievable

26:50Paul Scholes: My top five? What's your top five? A lot of people would have a good top Well Ross is I'm just going to think top five Top five You know when you were shooting You should have lengthened your stride You know A little bit short You scored against Middlesbrough at home I tell you, I've seen scores for footballs when I was watching clips.

27:10Roy Keane: Glenn Hoddle.

27:11Paul Scholes: Oh, God.

27:13Roy Keane: He had some great goals.

27:17Gary Neville: Cristiano must have some... I mean, what I'm saying is those... Who was the one who scored against Porto? Cristiano's best ever goal in Roma, the header. Oregon United in the Champions League for Real Madrid. The header, the jump and the lead. Gareth Bale? You've crossed Gareth Bale.

27:31Ian Wright: Gareth Bale's top five. Oh, yeah? Worst cross ever. OK. Gareth Bale's top five.

27:38Paul Scholes: everyone's top five Gerard Gerard that's a few we're going to put a top five yeah well right

27:43Roy Keane: to be fair

27:44Gary Neville: I probably just

27:45Roy Keane: had fives

27:46Gary Neville: Bale Letizia Letizia who's got the best top five out of Bale Letizia we're going to set a competition so just get these five goals Henry did he beat the Sporos

28:01Paul Scholes: from the halfway lane

28:01Roy Keane: Olivier Giroud

28:02Gary Neville: has been mentioned can I just ask a question he's done a few

28:06Roy Keane: Is it like best goals or the magnitude of the game? Let's not overanalyze.

28:12Ian Wright: No, Jill, just the greatness. Just the greatness of the goal. What about Gazza? Add half an hour to this show, girl. Gazza.

28:19Paul Scholes: You must have some goals.

28:21Ian Wright: Gazza's got a couple of goals.

28:23Roy Keane: Everyone would have a good top five. Gary, I bet you've got a good top five.

28:26Paul Scholes: Marc Hughes. Marc Hughes got a few. Oh, Marc Hughes. Welsh won against Spain. All the scissors is a kick. Scissor kick against Spain.

28:33Roy Keane: Rooney, we haven't even mentioned Wayne. I can't believe you didn't mention him You know

28:40Ian Wright: That's a good one I've got to mention Teddy Shurner Teddy scores beautiful Teddy

28:49Roy Keane: Teddy Bear

28:51Ian Wright: Name one I remember there was one against Southampton Beautiful flick When it came across and he had to chip it back Chips him his left foot Beautiful goal name another one quick I think he's got a beautiful head right Teddy's got some great goals

29:13Roy Keane: Bruno's got some decent ones ok

29:16Gary Neville: the worst refereeing decision you've ever seen in your in our life what's the worst refereeing decision you've ever seen

29:24Paul Scholes: Roy Carroll over the line oh god yes that's more the linesman I was trying to think

29:33Gary Neville: The ball was over the line. It was miles over the line. It's about that far over. I give Roy credit for not getting away with it. Yeah, brilliant. Where's for a friend? Is it Thierry Henry one, the island or something? Like a handball? Yeah, the handball, yeah.

29:47Paul Scholes: Let's not bring that up. Yeah, but is that the... Get the Irish back on him.

29:50Roy Keane: What about Maradona?

29:51Paul Scholes: Get the Irish back on him. Maradona? Maradona, yeah. Do you know what he can definitely handle that? I'm not sure he does. But if you're a shilting, you should get him. Do you know what I mean? I love the way he's got Maradona's well done. He's still, oh, fucking Maradona has to be the worst one. It has to be the worst one. It has to be.

30:09Ian Wright: It's the way he'd done it. It was like, oh, bro. You know what?

30:12Roy Keane: Even if there was far now, they'd probably look at it 20 times.

30:16Ian Wright: Scalzi behind it.

30:17Paul Scholes: Oh, you cheat, Scalzi. You're still doing a little hand of God, dude. And he stood against two. No, I think I've got to send it off. Was he one of these, Scalzi? Was he one of these? I just couldn't quite reach and fucking punched it.

30:29Roy Keane: Was it Gary's cross you couldn't reach? You know what?

30:31Ian Wright: Remember Frank Lampard in the World Cup?

30:34Paul Scholes: Yeah, 2010. Against Germany? Germany. No, that wasn't over the line. No chance.

30:40Ian Wright: What was the final score? That was so bad. It wasn't. That was so bad. Can we put it up, please? Were you not playing? He's saying that when it was a yard over. No, no.

30:49Gary Neville: I'm sorry about that. Was the goalkeeper sent off for the head, like, for the high? Batistone.

30:55Ian Wright: Was that against Batistone? No, no. Existing off. Schumacher. Schumacher. Existing off.

30:58Gary Neville: Against Batistone. That's got to be the worst. Play on. Play on. That's what the worst is ever.

31:02Ian Wright: That's how you work. I think Schumacher or Maradona. Well, it's Maradona.

31:07Roy Keane: That's a great question, though.

31:08Gary Neville: Yeah, exactly. Right, next question. Pep Guardiola claimed that Mateus Nunez isn't smart enough to be a midfield player, so he's a right-back. Are midfield players smarter than defenders?

31:18Roy Keane: Yeah.

31:19Gary Neville: Without a doubt. Without a doubt.

31:21Paul Scholes: Without a doubt. You did both a bit, really, didn't you? Yeah. No, no, it is. No, it's something to be harsh. Your decision-making place where you... Obviously, defenders are always facing the ball. A defender is to stop players playing, basically.

31:34Gary Neville: Are you talking about technically being more gifted to accept the ball in midfield? A bit of everything. Are you talking about organising and reading the game?

31:40Paul Scholes: Yeah, a bit of everything. Well, that obviously comes into the package of being a midfielder, of course. If you're a defender, you're stopping people from playing. If you're doing a coaching topic tomorrow and the topic you get is to stop teams playing, it's kind of quite easy. We're just praising players for the last hour, players who can go past people. You're just smarter in different ways, aren't you?

32:00Gary Neville: I think that defenders have to be smart because they're stopping the most talented players on the pitch from playing. So ultimately, it's very rare that as a defender you play against someone that you're better than at football that you're not because they're better than you because that's why they're a forward. Yeah, but they're usually quicker than you. They're usually, to be fair, just quicker than you, more skilful than you. So you have to be really smart as a defender to stop that player playing. Whereas in midfield, I do think you have to be intelligent, but your technical ability usually is the one that's like...

32:29Gary Neville: You know what I mean? You get a lot less time. I'm just thinking of intelligence of defenders versus midfielders.

32:36Ian Wright: I think you have to be... As a midfielder, you have to know more because you're dealing with the defence and the strikers, but you can't not throw in strikers intelligence here. The hardest part of football is going good, without a doubt.

32:48Paul Scholes: Thank you. The question is about being intelligent to be a defender. I think, yeah, midfielders have to be a bit more smarter. I'd probably go with midfielders, but like... Quicker thinking, I think, don't you?

32:58Roy Keane: Maybe.

32:58Paul Scholes: It's not great defenders.

33:00Ian Wright: You've got to make sure that you can make the move when the midfielder's got the ball. The midfielder's got to make sure he makes the move when you've made the run. It has to be the midfielder, but I think the striker's got to get some love for intelligence up there as well.

33:12Paul Scholes: Pep has an idea of what he's talking about, doesn't he? There's more midfielders that go out to right back than right back to go out into midfield. Trent, great example. Trent went into midfield for England. I know it's harsh to throw a lad in international football and in the Euros he couldn't get near but he didn't fail

33:27Gary Neville: through his smartness or intelligence he failed through purely the fact that he ultimately had no play the lack of play no one might be smartness and intelligence I watched Casado last Sunday he had to be hooked off from right back in the end because in the end they were getting down his side all the time at the end but Gareth Selkate said he spoke to Trent and they spoke

33:42Paul Scholes: about it in their chats and all this and they said they told he could try it but he was proper lost not in there where you went yeah he'd done okay he was taken off I was hard on him

33:51Ian Wright: throwing him in there in some matches It was, especially the way England were playing. By the time he came on, was it our second midfield or third midfield?

33:57Roy Keane: You do get lost, though, when you play a different position, when you used to, like... Because didn't you sometimes go out left for England? No, but did you feel a bit lost sometimes? You were like...

34:06Paul Scholes: Not so much on the left. I'd done that for United. I remember playing in front of Gaz once, remember?

34:11Gary Neville: Right wing, right side. Yeah. No good, that.

34:13Paul Scholes: Good disaster, wasn't it?

34:14Gary Neville: Oh, yeah.

34:15Paul Scholes: You'd nick away, wasn't it? Yeah, but you weren't. I could just feel the disappointment behind me. you stop shouting at me you weren't right wingers were you? no but I'm just saying an example of

34:29Roy Keane: but changing position is hard I didn't mind on the left

34:32Paul Scholes: you were at a winger was you just inside a little bit but on the right

34:37Gary Neville: I don't know it was just fucking different but Wazza says that Wazza said and Danny Welbeck used to say that we used to put him on the right wing sometimes the boss would move him to the right wing wouldn't they they just didn't like it at all but put him on the left wing they were fine

34:48Paul Scholes: they said with Vision, I don't remember, was it Maisie? We played right back. He got tested by the girl. Remember Gail used to come in there? He couldn't see out of his left eye. He couldn't see in the film. David May. He's playing right back. He kept passing it to his fucking mate.

35:06Roy Keane: I'd have sessions.

35:07Paul Scholes: Passing it to the gaffer in the dugout.

35:08Roy Keane: I'd have sessions on that peripheral Vision. We were in a room and the woman was like, can you see us? And I was like, yeah. Without turning your head. It was all about Vision.

35:21Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by SkyBets.

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37:25Individual results may vary.

37:30Right.

37:30Gary Neville: What's the worst training round bust-up you've ever seen? I can't think of one, really. He's got to be involved.

37:37Paul Scholes: No, no, no. Remember you and Ray? You and Ray? I remember that. That was brilliant. Did Ray go and get his studs on or something? Who's Ray? I think I'm going to go and get right. Nev and Ray had a bit of a bust up. He was one of them. Did Phil get involved? Did Phil come in? Did Phil come to protect him?

37:53Roy Keane: Oh, that's nice, though. That's nice. Like Scrappy do.

37:59Paul Scholes: Raymond had rubbers on him. He went and got his studs on to come and have a fight. Get a grip. Jesus. It wasn't really a big one, though, was it? I remember you kicking Quinny once. Didn't I? Yeah. And he kicked me. Twatter him, yeah.

38:12Ian Wright: Yeah, but that's kicking. That's not fighting. I think the worst I saw was at West Ham. Yeah, I don't know. Oh, John Arson. Ail Berkovich and John Arson being right there. And you know what? Even when I think of it, people were laughing and they were like, when they saw it, if his foot doesn't catch that bit of his chest first, I think he kicks his head off. It was crazy because like, and you know what as well, with that West Ham group of lads I was with, so crazy. So that happens. I think all that happens is Ail Berkovich, they had a little scuffle, and John laid it off, and I does one of them little kicks in the back.

38:47Ian Wright: And, like, John pushed it, he fell, and John went... Honestly, I was like, wow, that was so close. And then, it's really weird, because you've got Riddick and Monka and everybody, the first thing they went was, you all right, Johnny? It was like, I was like, his head nearly got kicked off. That was the worst I'd ever seen. That wasn't good. That was the worst I'd ever seen. Like, little bust-ups,

39:09Paul Scholes: and that's going to happen, because there's obviously tension. But that was horrible. That was horrible. That was horrible. You're right. Because that could have been...

39:14Ian Wright: When I watch it, if he doesn't kick his chest first, he probably does something. There was never any fist hiccups, was there?

39:18Gary Neville: I've never seen one punch being thrown on our training pitch in 20 years that I was there. I don't think of one punch. It's his scoffles, though. Yeah, scoffles. I saw in the youth team, I did. In the youth team, remember? Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, in the youth team, yeah, a couple of times.

39:29Roy Keane: I can't remember. Proper punches.

39:32Gary Neville: Proper punches.

39:33Paul Scholes: What about the women? Do the women kick off?

39:35Roy Keane: Yeah, sometimes. The only one I had was with a manager. Not like a fight, but yeah. But, you know, on them where you're arguing and then you walk off and they're like, Jill! Jill! Like, really shouting, but you've really committed to this walk. And I just went. But why didn't you turn around?

39:51Paul Scholes: Could there be trouble, you mean?

39:52Roy Keane: No, I just didn't like what he was saying and I just went. And then I was leaving the training ground and got a knock on the window as if to be like, you've got to come back in. But it wasn't a fight. But there is little bits. Like, someone two-foots you, you get mad, don't you?

40:08Gary Neville: You and Rude. Rude came from me at Middlesbrough.

40:11Roy Keane: Did he? Yeah. What, like, proper?

40:14Gary Neville: He didn't get to me in the end. He sort of like... What was I there? People jumped in between... I don't know. Was it Middlesbrough away? What was the score? I don't know. To be fair, I had this thing about... Did you sign on at him or what? No, it was. You were mourning at him, weren't you, for not showing that? I was mourning quite a bit around that time. That pass, he was. To be honest, it was something that... It was brewing. I'm sure it was brewing. It was for a couple of years, basically. It wasn't Rude's fault, you know, in some ways. but we went from playing to up top, which meant you always had someone to be able to do it.

40:42Gary Neville: No, no, it wasn't Ruud. When I look back now and I've spoken to Ruud about this, so you think about it, I had an option on the diagonal to be able to hit and I had an option in the feet. So we played the single striker up front, Ruud, who was brilliant at it, who stood just in between the centre-backs. You wouldn't come across it. Go on, how long is this story going to be? No, serious. It just didn't show for you. So basically, the only time you could ever get it to him was if he could pass it into Scholes and he'd then try and find Ruud. But you couldn't find Ruud really outside the lines of the two centre-backs because he was told to stay in there.

41:15Gary Neville: We played a different system for about two or three years. Anyway, I just... But one day I had the ball at Middlesbrough. We're away from home and it's like second half. We're not doing that well, I don't think, in the game. And I'm like, any chance of making a fucking run? I screamed it and shouted it and he just snapped. He'd been coming for a couple of weeks, a couple of months, you know what I mean? But that usually happens. It's brewing, isn't it, with players? Something like that will happen. and I'm sure that's happened before, but then there comes a point where you go, you've had enough of each other.

41:40Gary Neville: But looking back now, you look at Haaland now, you look at Lewandowski now, you look at these players who play that position really well, they play in between those 18-yard lines. They don't come and play outside. So I understand it a little bit more now, but we've been used to playing that two up front.

41:52Paul Scholes: But yeah, I think it's good though, it's good. Did he come for you though? He came for me at the end of the game, yeah. But you needed it now. We've had this conversation before, it's good. I think it's good to let off a bit of steam, because there's tension, isn't there, with people.

42:03Roy Keane: But is it, what's it like after that? Sometimes I think that... It's fine once... Oh, yeah, yeah, you don't want to drag it on. I think sometimes you just have to do it.

42:10Paul Scholes: It's better off doing that.

42:12Roy Keane: I think that's probably something in our game we could do better.

42:15Ian Wright: I'll do that. Have it out. I'll have a bunch of squeeze-ups. One. This is one. Hey, hey, hey, come on. Leave it, leave it. You know when it starts, everybody goes, come on, come on.

42:26Gary Neville: So one question that's, to be fair, meaningless and one question that's quite deep. What's your favourite ice cream? Ice cream? Caramel.

42:34Roy Keane: I'm not a massive... Caramel?

42:35Gary Neville: Caramel, yeah. I don't really eat ice cream. That's the neat one.

42:39Paul Scholes: That's the intelligence one. Wow. Caramel. An ice lolly, you mean? Is it an ice cream?

42:44Gary Neville: Ice cream? What's your favourite ice cream? A magnum.

42:46Paul Scholes: A magnum? White or...? I like a magnum. No, no. They're very expensive. I like the white ones.

42:50Roy Keane: Oh, white chocolate. A magnum.

42:53Paul Scholes: No!

42:54Roy Keane: I used to really like you. Raspberry, yeah, yeah. A white chocolate, just something white chocolate.

43:01Gary Neville: You should sell ice cream in your coffee shop. I thought you just meant in general.

43:05Roy Keane: Over the summer, you should...

43:07Paul Scholes: Ice cream woman.

43:08Gary Neville: In the summer, in your coffee shop, you should sell ice cream.

43:11Paul Scholes: Get one of them. No, you need to drive one of them vans. I loved them.

43:15Roy Keane: Weren't them like drugs vans, though? I think they were drugs vans, really. They were fronts.

43:21Gary Neville: They were fronts.

43:22Roy Keane: When I think back, they were definitely drug vans.

43:25Gary Neville: If you could change one thing about the world, what would it be?

43:28Roy Keane: I think social media. It's made us all unsociable. I'd go back to before like I know you didn't say go back but

43:34Gary Neville: social media before camera phones or before social media like just social media

43:38Roy Keane: like I don't know everybody's just you're never off it nothing to him no I'm actually not too bad but I would go back to the we've had no wifi in the house for like 10 days and it's just really changed like the dynamic like we've been doing board games I just feel like we've

43:53Paul Scholes: bore off snakes and ladders I'd love world peace Mia for God's sake

44:03Gary Neville: That's it, end of the episode We didn't quite get to Scolzi's One thing you would change about the world Scolzi's changed something We've got to the end

44:10Ian Wright: We haven't got to the end It's not Scolzi

44:13Paul Scholes: To be taller

44:18Paul Scholes: That's not very nice Titus We can't have a walk We can't criticise I've got a complex one Gary we've got to take the photo Oh, sorry. I had a picture with some netball girls. Oh, my God. I was feeling fucking... Easy. ...herbal.

44:38Roy Keane: Size doesn't matter, Paul.

44:40Ian Wright: Jesus, Gary. Honestly.

44:45Ian Wright: I'll get anything.

44:51Paul Scholes: Would you like to play against me, Jill? You would have kicked me, wouldn't you?

44:54Roy Keane: Yeah, I think we'd have had a good battle. Look, what would you change about the world?

44:56Paul Scholes: Look, everyone checking their phones. Look, do you know what I mean? Just chat. See?

45:00Roy Keane: And you're giving me stuff. Quizzes.

45:05Gary Neville: Thanks to our title sponsors, Disney+. We'll see you next time.