Billie Piper

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1:05Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're in Clapham and somebody is doing cement outside. It almost sounds like a little micro whizzer. This must be the most worked on road in the whole of the universe because there's building works constantly. Oh, there he is whistling again. How are you, Mum? I'm OK. I'm fine, darling. I made the dessert yesterday. Yep. And you've come and taken over the kitchen and made delicious things for this morning. I was up at the crack of door. What time do you love that? I'm joking. No, I want to give a big shout out to Ed Smith, who has a new book called Good Eggs coming out, which has totally inspired this week's menu because he has been my weekend guru for eggs for the past couple of years because he puts them up every weekend with different egg ideas.

1:52Now, you know I love an egg. I did a whole book called Omelette. So I wanted to try this for our breakfast guest. Ed has taught me a way of doing batch poached eggs. Which I didn't think would work. So I tried one out and I've just tasted one. You shocked your eggs. I shocked my eggs and Ed's shocked me. It's so easy. Okay, so the menu is poached eggs with induja butter. And that is, you just get induja and you put butter together and you mix it together. We heat it very low heat so it doesn't kind of start separating or overcooking and hardening. So he has this really good bit in the book called Group Batch Cooking.

2:30and he suggests you can pre-do your poached eggs you could do them the night before and you cook them for about two minutes until the whites have formed enough that you can spoon them out and then you shock them in iced cold water so they're all shocked ready to go so the yolk doesn't harden and then I'll put them back into boiling water simmering boiling water for a minute and it'll just warm them up but it won't overcook the yolk and I just tried one and it worked a treat so We're doing that and then I've done this oven-baked portobello mushrooms with marmite and thyme and garlic that's from his book as well.

3:06That takes about 45 minutes. So, yeah, we've got mushrooms, eggs, indouya. And spinach. So, yeah, it smells good. Hopefully she likes marmite. I hope she likes indouya. And then you've done the pud. Yeah. An orange lemon polenta cake. Yeah, lovely. With a drizzle made from orange lemon, cardamom and rosemary. Gorgeous. Who knows? We're very excited about the guest that's coming on today. So excited. She's one of our favourite actresses. She is. Also, she's a great pop star back in the day. What was her song? Honey to the bee, that's you for me. Who sang Run for Your Life? What? Run for your life if you can.

3:46That's her, isn't it? Try to get away. That's Tiffany, isn't it? Oh, is that Tiffany? Wow, Mum. That's ageing her a little bit too much. Okay, sorry. I remember we saw Billy Piper do that at Capital Party in the Park. Billy Piper did that. That's how I know that. Great. There's a big entourage of Netflix people outside because Billy is in a new film called Scoop. Oh, which is cracking. It's wonderful to keep with the egg imagery. So, yeah, it's about the scoop that happened when Newsnight got the interview with Prince Andrew and the booker that made it all happen, that Billy Piper plays, Sam McAllister, who, it's just, it's really great.

4:29It's got an amazing cast, and we got to watch it last night. The formidable Billy Piper coming up on Tape Mushroom. She's fabulous.

4:54It's really nice to see you again. It's lovely to see you. Are you going to Glastonbury this year? A year. She's headlining. Oh, headlining! I saw that today! You are! You've got to come. How is that? I feel like you are... I kind of... We didn't know each other until the Brits after party. And now I feel like... Although we had met. We met in the dance tent, DJ EZ at Glastonbury. So I kind of feel like you're part of my core memories of Glastonbury. So you must be there, Billy Bible. Whenever you bump into someone and they say, Oh, you know, we met at Glastonbury, you just go... Oh, sorry. I apologise for my baby.

5:27I know. Well, I will go then. How are you? Your hair's looking fantastic. Yeah, I've got rollers in. In what, in honour of Lenny? Is that just rollers? I should have left my rollers in. I don't know what's come over me. I bought heated rollers recently. Oh, they're fab. And I bought midlife. It must be, but I get a real kick out of putting them in. I don't know what it is. There's something about it. Also, if I leave the house and I'm going to be filmed or anything, if I don't do something with my hair, it just triples in size. Oh, you've got big hair. The frizz, yeah. Oh, no, I don't have big hair.

6:02So do you have curly hair? I have quite curly hair, yeah. Oh, I love it. I'd love it. But you're not getting that lovely sort of natural curl thing. It's the size and it's the frizz. It's not... Your hair is always different colours as well. I know, I know. Is it exhausting to keep up with? What colour are you? Yes. No, but what colour are you, would you say? I'm mouse. I'm mouse brown. Let's call it dusty blonde, shall we? Shall we? Dark blonde. Yeah, dark blonde. I don't know what it is. It was like blonde for however many years, 25 years. And then they say that if you dye your hair a lot, that it's one of the signs of borderline personality disorder.

6:46Okay. But I don't know if it's that. I feel like I'm just having, I'm just feeling quite experimental and like I'm trying to find who I am. Maybe it's one of those. I really like this copper. I quite like this. I'm actually inspired. I'm like, maybe I should do this. I should do a little dip dye thingy because I don't think I could do the whole thing. But I think this is amazing on you. This is working on me. We've got a lot of red in our family. And also I've always loved gingers. So I'm like, I feel like this is me now. We are going to talk about food and your brilliant acting and music career.

7:19But yeah, it was just good to talk about the hair. I'm going to kind of fiddle with breakfast because we're all quite hungry. Do you want like a little Bucks Fizz? Do you want anything? I'm not going to have a Bucks Fizz because I had a glass of white wine last night and I feel... I thought you were going to say this morning. And it's going to be too much if I have another one. It feels like I just had one. I feel whacked by it. I can't do wine anymore. I realise that the older I get and the less wine I drink, I just can't handle it. I think it's a female age thing. No, I think you need to drink more wine.

7:53All that. Yeah, to increase your tolerance. So I won't have one, but thanks anyway, it's fine. Mum, please start asking Billy some questions. Well, I want to tell you, first of all, that I think Scoop is just brilliant. Oh, yes, you've seen it. And you are so super wonderful. Oh, that's so good. Was it fun to play that part? Oh my God, yeah. It's so fun to play her because she's... Sam McAllister is the woman who kind of was instrumental in bringing the Newsnight interview with Prince Andrew to our screens. She's sort of like this unsung hero. But on top of all of her incredible work and effort, she's also like this formidable character.

8:34So it's like I care about that story, I care about telling it, but I also love playing her. Did you meet her? Yeah, I met her loads of times. Is she like who you were? Yeah, she's... She's older than you? She's older than me, I think, yeah. Well, I know she's older than me. And we have... Our backgrounds are not that dissimilar, so we could relate about that stuff. So she's a working-class single mum? Yeah, but she's an unlikely character. maybe at, you know, in the journalism world of the BBC, you know, rightly or wrongly, she is, you know, she's sort of doing her own thing, let's say. And, yeah, there's so much.

9:27She's, you know, a wealth of, like, there's so much to draw from there that's really, really fun and interesting. I just thought she was... She's so unlike anyone I've ever met in terms of how positive she is. And it's not disingenuous. It's like I'm always looking for a... I'm always looking for, you know, some sort of crackle. She's not. She's just relentlessly optimistic. And when you meet people like that, you do feel sort of, like, changed by them, you know what I mean? Because they are rare. I don't know that it was the easiest place to work for her. Because she wasn't from the same... She wasn't towing the line and she wasn't from the same background.

10:13The same draw. There's nothing chilly about her, let's say. She is 100 % warmth and open and curious. There's so much curiosity in her and I think that's really what sets her aside. And that's probably what clinched the deal. Do you think that's her warmth and her persistence and was so engaging that she was almost irresistible in it. There's a serious lack of judgment from her. So I imagine when she was, you know, getting Andrew on side for that interview and sort of ping-ponging between... What a Rufus. Oh, my God. Unrecognisable. Because when they told me he was being cast, I was like, oh, I don't know if this is going to be good.

11:01Did he have loads of prosthetics? Oh, my God. everything prosthetics the the body suit the the teeth that it was it was probably four hours worth of work every day oh my god yeah because he looks like he's cut from gold you know i mean he's he's just the most chiseled person i know he's beautiful he's beautiful and so playing andrew was it felt like quite a leap yeah but he he nailed it didn't it fantastic they they both did it's not easy playing um people that we you know we've sort of forensically looked at our entire lives i didn't have that responsibility because sam wasn't so public facing which meant that i could sort of make her my own your own cherry and not a caricature yeah there's always a danger it's a caricature but I have to say it didn't feel like that at all it just felt so well acted do you remember this road?

12:03I was about to say I played a prostitute on this road I wondered if this was the house no it wasn't it was three doors down yeah I thought I filmed here playing Hannah Baxter Belle du Jour and then I was like oh and then I got sidetracked by your tree out the front. Well, it was the best tree in the home. How can you say it was the best? It's unreal. Because it's dropped. Oh, it was. It was just sensitive. It's my best. I take no responsibility for the tree, but it is wonderful, isn't it? Because I put one outside my house and it didn't take. It hasn't taken? No, it hasn't bloomed at all. It will.

12:47I've moved it. So now it's dead. Oh, God. Now it's dead. Oh, dear. It's like, it's not doing what it needs to do quick enough, quick enough. So where were you born? Swindon in Wiltshire. But then I moved to London when I was like 12. So I basically, yeah. So your parents, you moved with your parents? I didn't, no. I went to theatre school at Sylvia Young's and boarded in London and then started singing. So I never went home after that. So I've been in, I'm more of a Londoner now. So who were your peers at Sylvia Young at the time? Amy Winehouse. Oh. Were you mates with her? Yeah, I was. Was Amy being cheeky at that point?

13:29Was she always cheeky? She was always cheeky. She was always like that. You know, she'd do, like, she was just kind of, she would do abstract stuff, and I really loved it. Could she act? Yeah, she could do everything. Okay. She was very clever. Super clever, super bright. unlike any of the girls in that school she got bullied quite a lot at school because you know she was doing her own thing and she liked to push buttons and do weird stuff and I had a lot of space for that but not many of the girls did so it wasn't the easiest ride so you were at Sylvia Young from the age of 12 yeah 12 like turning yeah just turning 13 what year was it like I was in year eight I can't remember but and you boarded I boarded at my mum and I boarded in London but not at the school at my mum's auntie's and uncle's house in Hammersmith.

14:27Was that okay? Yeah, it was great in many ways because I was like this child living in London and just doing things that I never expected in my life, yeah. But sometimes I would, the second year I was there, I would get the, I miss my parents so much that the second year I started travelling to and from Swindon because it's only an hour from Huntington on the train. It's not far. And I used to smoke cigarettes when I was really young, so I'd sit in the smoking carriage. Oh, yay! Okay, this is a new way of doing poached eggs, where you shock them and then you put them back in. But I'm a bit worried they're slightly underlined, but enjoy them a bit.

15:08Just not too much endooja for me, darling. I can't wait. Sorry, my love. Yours is coming. Don't worry about mine. You get going. Can I? Yeah. This looks lovely, and I'm going to take a mushroom. Yes, please do. Yeah, so then I would travel to school from Swindon, smoking cigarettes in the smoking carriage, and go to school, yeah. So when you were with your mum and dad, who was doing the cooking? Mum, except on a Sunday when dad would do a cooked breakfast. But mum was doing every meal, you know. She could cook? uh she is now but as a child i you know i did love her food but i wouldn't say it was like you wouldn't call mum the cook you know i mean but she had four kids are you one of four yeah i'm the eldest and so you know cooking is for pleasure i i don't remember that being a thing when I was a kid.

16:11It certainly wasn't for her. It was a mission. Yeah. Because nobody likes anything and it's not, you know, terribly adventurous. And I sort of feel like that now sometimes when I cook for my kids. It's like you do something new and they hate it. And so then you just cook the three standard things. How old are they now? Pesto pasta. How old are they now? Oh, they're older now. They're 15. Oh, God. 12 and 5. So I've still got a little one. Forgive me if I'm getting this wrong. I knew of you as Billy Piper, the pop star. And then you returned back to acting. But was acting always the kind of main passion?

16:51Yeah, that's why I went to drama school. Because I absolutely loved drama. And drama class and just all that stuff. And so when that opportunity came on to be a singer, I was like, well, I sing, but I'm not like a gifted singer. Like I can hold a tune. So why do you think you got the record deal at that age? What do you think it was about? When you join a drama school. Were you a drama school? When you join the drama school, you join an agency. Right. So you start auditioning for things, and I auditioned to be the face and relaunched Smash Hits magazine. So I did loads of promotion, like all the adverts, all the artwork.

17:34and then I was on the front cover of Music Week as a model promoting smash hits and it landed on Hugh Goldsmith. Do you know him? No. Hugh Goldsmith. What label? Virgin, but their sister label, Innocent, landed on his desk and he was like, we want to sign a female soloist, young female soloist, saw the picture and was like, just sort of went, let's try her out. and were you just like yeah all right cool he said do you want to do a demo tape and i was he came to the school and said do you want to do a demo tape and i was like yeah okay so he chose this really weird um r &b song and um sang it in clapham at someone's house at uh wendy and jim's their house and they liked it and they signed me it happened as quickly as that and like within a matter of months I'd left school.

18:31Do you regret saying yes to that job or not? No I don't regret it but I think that I could have probably waited a bit longer and I wouldn't recommend any child get into the music industry like I don't think success and teenage years are a good marriage. Did your parents what did they say? They were just sort of in awe of it already I was such a pushy, sort of precocious child that I really wanted it, and I don't think they wanted to stay in the way. Also, my dad really wanted me to have a life that they'd never had. What's your dad do? He's a builder, and my mum was a housewife, and he was quite pushy with me, if I'm honest, but he wanted me to do well.

19:20So I don't know how much that played into things, probably quite a lot. Was there one particular acting coach or singing teacher that you remember? What was their name? I had an acting coach at Sylvia's called Martin Beaumont. And he was, you know, if you're lucky enough to have a teacher who just spots you, gets you and pushes you and mentors you. He was one of those. I also had one in Swindon called Julia Dickinson. and she was the person who said to me I should audition for drama school because she cut this ad out of the stage magazine and told my parents that I should go and then trained me for my auditions and stuff.

20:05I loved your character in I Hate Susie. And I wondered whether it's been interesting, you know, you playing Scoop, Sam McAllister. Yeah. And then a different version of it with I Hate Susie, but having these stories that are around people in the public eye and you having been in the public eye since you've been a teenager, does that give you more empathy? Did it make you think twice about doing these roles? Does it make you tread differently or is it just a story? I like exposing it. I like exposing it. Right. It's also all I know because it's been more my life than non-famous years. Do you know what I mean?

20:45And so obviously I'm sort of interested in that way. Yeah. Do you often feel you have to look over your shoulder in case the photographer there? Not anymore, but I used to. I feel like that has somewhat changed or people just don't give a shit anymore. And, you know, either works for me because I hated that. I really traumatised me as a kid. Do you protect your children from that? As much as I can. yeah I just hate all of that I don't want that for my family you know it's it's grim and it's frightening and it makes you it puts you into fight or flight forever it's not healthy when you moved to London yeah a bit different to Swindon isn't it oh my god yeah food different here oh my god I hadn't ever had things like I'd never had hummus I'd never had, what else was I was like, wow.

21:47I just hadn't had anything that wasn't like, you know, pasta from a packet or, no offence mum, but pasta from a packet, roast or, you know, frozen food. So it was, all of it just blew my mind. I loved it so much. I loved London. Are you a foodie? Yeah, I love food. I love it. But I like shit food and I like good food. Like, I still have, like, frozen food nights, even though I know it's not good to eat. What's frozen? Like, smiley faces or, like... You will eat frozen. And that's not for the kids. No, it's for me. Frozen waffles or chicken nuggets or, you know, just really processed stuff like that.

22:30Do you read the news, Billy Piper? Yeah. Ultra processed food. I read that. I know. Did you see that in the Guardian the other day? Yeah, it was very depressing. It's so depressing and so alarming. It's so funny you should raise that because ever since then I've been like, I've got to sort it out. Also, I have really bad autoimmune issues, so it's like I shouldn't eat anything that gives me inflammation whatsoever. But it's everything. Isn't it, ultra processed food? It sort of feels like everything. Ready, Brett? That's fine. I basically saw the news and I was going to give the kids fish fingers and tortilla wraps that don't go off for about a month.

23:15But they love them. I swear they don't go off for longer than that. It's terrifying. The packet I bought recently said July. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. Because that's the thing, isn't it? It's the maintenance of the project that is chemically awful. I was like, no, I'm going to give them the leftover chicken. roast chicken, I'm going to stir some pesto in it with some, I mean, it was fucking great. Two of the boys liked it, but two of the kids liked it. My daughter was like, it's like having a calf because they all want different things. Oh my God. We call it kitchens closed. I'm doing like three different sittings and I do it.

23:55It's not like, why can't I just say it's one meal and that's it. And I enter into this staggered meal that can last sometimes for three hours. And then it's a staggered bedtime.

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25:22so you came you came to london you had hummus are you and thai food didn't i couldn't believe it thai food thai food couldn't believe it do you still love it there's a time and a place for thai food uh yeah that's good that's good what would be apart from having a little frozen dinner spesh you're not the worst I know I love this what would be your last supper it's a starter, a main a good, a drink of choice you're going Jesse having some very slither please thanks I would have prawn cocktail to start fancy or awful is fine with me do you like little prawns in there or do you like big ones I like a small prawn or a medium prawn I don't like a big one I don't like I don't like to really deal with think about what it is I don't want to be shelling and stuff because then I feel like confused and slightly put off so a prawn cocktail what would be my main I'm like a I'm a curry fiend I'm a spice fiend are you?

26:41yeah yeah yeah so what's your curry order? um I will go for gel fraise but chicken gel fraise but I are we allowed to like name yeah we love that yeah do you ever get the the chicken ruby from Dishoom? I can't say I've had it but many American loves a Dishoom really? they love it It's like they go, oh my God, have you been to Dishoom yet? And I'm like, fuck it out. Because the restaurants are like an experience, so I suppose it's like, you know, it feels authentic. So what's so good about this chicken ruby? I don't know. It's the blend of the sauce. I could drink the sauce. In fact, sometimes I put the chicken to the side and drink this.

27:28Are you not mopping that up with any naan? I try not to have a naan because of the gluten thing. But I do... Can you have rotis instead? Parathas? Can you have? No. I probably could. I wonder. I don't know which one's like gluten-free. Maybe there isn't. The popadons are gluten-free. Okay, great. I think. So I use those. And then I'll have a bit of a black dal, which is incredible as well. I absolutely love the spice. So are we going full de shum for the main? I think so, yeah. I've just become this like mega fan of it. And it's just down the road from my... I've got a massive one down the road from my house.

28:04That's good. So, yeah, that's my go-to. Drink of choice? They do these fizzy drinks. It's called Limca. I think it's called Limca. Limca. How do you pronounce it? Limca? I don't know, but it's... Is this at Dishum as well? This is at Dishum. And this is... This is like a... It almost tastes like a detergent. Oh. I can't say you're selling it to me it's an intense is it a bit like lemon shelly this is a non-alcoholic drink this is an intense sort of lemon fizzy drink or lime fizzy drink and it's got a sort of gnarly quality about it that you just, I'm sort of into for some reason did you get it for your children and that's when you tried it or were you like no I had it myself that looks really great Oh, medicinal, fabulous, can't wait.

29:03No, they won't go near it. If we were coming to yours and your children were not there, what would you be cooking for us? Do you think that you would be like a big showstopper? I'm a big salad person, so I'll do a number of really good salads, but also a gumbo. Oh, gumbo. Yeah, like a chicken gumbo. Who got you into a gumbo? Did you eat it somewhere? Did somebody cook it for you? I think it happened during lockdown, you know as they all of these sort of cooking crazes do and my kids love it and will join in making it one of my sons is so into spice so that's quite helpful um yeah so so the gumbo salads i saw the gumbo have in it chicken um god what else is it peppers tomatoes tomatoes um it's like a deep south thing it's a deep south thing i can't remember the combination i had it at my 70th darling did you but it wasn't very good wasn't very good was it spicy yeah but it was watery it was more like a soup than the stew no i like it i'd like it a bit thicker than that is it a recipe that you use yeah but i think also now we've got we've we're kind of freestanding a bit with that it actually in the end with us as a family it just turns into this it's so spicy that it's really just an experience as opposed to a taste it's like a it's like a rush you know what i mean it's like a what what's food like what was the food like on the set it's for scoop good catering netflix do good catering do they well you know i what did What was the catering like?

30:46Would you just get your dish in and delivered to the trailer? I don't like... I don't... Listen, often the food on set is not great. Unless you're doing adverts and stuff, and then it's fucking great. It was great when I was a singer. That was the 90s too, wasn't it? Yeah. So it was singer, 90s, great food. Video shoots that would be filmed for 24 hours. Did you ever do that? I've done night shoots, but like, I mean, not ones that... I would film a video for like 19 to 20 hours. That's called child labor, I think, Billy. I've never worked as hard as I did when I was a kid. So I think like my acting career feels, it still can be really tiring, the hours are messed up.

31:29But comparatively, I've never worked as hard as that in my life. That's what I mean, it was lawless. Did you enjoy it at the time? I enjoyed it for a while and then I burnt out and I felt mental, yeah. Shit. I guess being like a pop star and a successful pop star in the 90s that's like a whole that comes with well getting burnt burnt out because you're so successful everyone wants you but also and there's money to this there's so much more money to like to I don't know you you're traveling so much more than I see musicians travel now there's like you you know you do all these big promotional tours, which I hated.

32:12I absolutely hated. I hated going off. And video shoots where they were cost like... I'm still in debt to Virgin. So if I ever released an album, which I won't, I'd probably have to pay off that debt. It's like university debt. Would you do musical theatre? No, it's really hard work. I couldn't... You couldn't be in Sunset Boulevard. I feel like you could have been a good Sally Bowles, babe. I like I obviously love that play and the part of Sally Rose. It's like a dream role for any actress. But musical theatre is such hard work. Like, it's exhausting. And I don't like the idea of having to take care of myself that well all the fucking time.

32:58You know what I mean? Like, you have to really manage your voice and, you know, just never go out. Because my voice isn't strong enough to handle that. No way. Well, you were perched about Sally Bowles. Yeah. After Jesse. I can so imagine you. Yeah, I would have loved it. But I mean, it's brutal. That song is hard. Those songs, those big numbers are brutal. You've got to really watch yourself. And I just can't be bothered. I also find theatre hard when you've got a family because you never get to put them to bed and you don't get Saturdays with them. It's really hard. It's quite tricky. I'm going to ask some more food questions.

33:35Go on. What have you always run out of in the fridge that's like something that you... Mint sauce. Oh my gosh. You having that with your dish in, babe? No, but I have it with any roast. No. Chicken. Chicken, 100%. Mint sauce or mint jelly? Mint sauce. Oh, all right, fancy. Crikey. I put mint sauce in the gravy. Oh, lovely. Yeah, that's okay. Just a tiny little bit. That's okay. Not like swimming in it, but just a little hint of it. Definitely mint sauce with the... With the chicken, sometimes horseradish. With the chicken? With the vegetables. And the mint sauce? Maybe. Crikey. I'm a big condiments person.

34:20Yeah. I mean, I do. I like a condiment too. I've got a bottle of brown sauce there that you can take home with you. You know what? I also like Frank's sauce, the hot sauce. Oh, it's very good. A1 is amazing as well. That's an American steak sauce. Oh yeah, I know that one. What is a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere, happy or sad? It's not sophisticated like the rest of my food tastes. It's beans on toast. Is that a happy memory? Oh my god, yeah. I feel like whenever I've been rocked by something, and I still do it for my kids, I make beans on toast. Tea, cup of tea, strong tea, and beans on toast, loads of butter.

35:00Butter in the beans. Oh, I like that idea. Yeah. And sometimes chilli in the beans if it's for me and my son. What kind of chilli? What are we going, Frank's hot sauce? Are we going paprika? What are we doing? Just chilli flakes. Do you quell it with like a little yoghurt or the cheese kind of calms it down or you don't? You want your taste buds? No, she's hot stuff, Jess, clearly. I'm looking for the hit. You're looking for the hit? Yeah, I'm looking for the hit. It can really, it's good in the beans. It's good in everything. what what what bread are you buttering a gluten-free no but are you gonna do the gluten-free i do mostly do like the rye or something like that oh you can have rye yeah but um or a gluten-free but gluten-free bread i think is probably terror is a you um ultra processed food it's gonna be but um but you can have like a like a i think you can have a rye or spelt yeah oh really millet bread is gross.

36:01Yeah but my obviously my favourite bread is like sun black, like white sun black. Is there ever anything better than white sliced bread with butter on it? I don't love my kids having it so when my mum comes they call her ahead and ask her to sneak it into the house. How sad is that that they ask my mum to bring them not chocolate but white bread and milk. I think that I think that shows that you're a great mother, actually. I feel sorry for your children. They're always on the... You know what? Have your kids got into Takis yet? Are those those crisps? Those Mexican, like, blow-your-head-off drug crisps, basically.

36:45They just make you feel like... Have you tried that? So they're having a prime and a Takis. Thank God we got them off the primes. What was that like? Expensive. Expensive. they're quite old I mean you've got teenagers do they go after school for coffee to Starbucks and things like that they go to yeah they go to PrEP they're all at PrEP can I have some money for PrEP or the kebab shop because we're in Camden so now Camden they're used to be like oh we hate Camden and my 12 year old still hates Camden he's constantly showing me crime stats about where we live where does he want to live I was like where do you want to live in London right like he doesn't actually say where he wants to live he's just aware that there is a lot of crime where we live sensitive middle child he's all about the stats he's always showing me stats but doesn't he love Camden Lock he doesn't yet but he will like my eldest my eldest is now we're going to Camden there's a skate park it's a massive vibe when you're a kid I want to leave because I'm just sort of over it, but I feel like they're just getting a taste for it, so that's annoying.

38:00Is I Hate Susie ever coming back, or is that it now? I think it should come back when she's 50, menopausal. That's a really good idea. Yeah, and there's a bit more story there, because I think the issue for us is like, if a story doesn't have legs, why are we just going to, it's just about money then, just grinding away, and it becomes shit, basically. So I feel like we've left it a good spot, and then we can revisit it like 10 years down the line. And maybe it can be more about Frank. Oh, is that what you'd like? I don't know. I kind of thought that that was such a beautiful and interesting relationship, but also...

38:35It wasn't the main feature. It wasn't the main feature, which was totally fine, but it could be something that could, you know, be older. And what do you want for her? I kind of, I don't know, because I kind of love what a fuck up she is. You don't want her to become worthy, do you? 100 % not. so like what is she still going at it is she now like i don't know i know it's great though isn't she an agony on i don't know like an itv like this morning agony she could be a hoster that could be really good yeah and it's about her like co-star yeah i don't know get me in the writing room babe are you writing anything yeah i just written a film i literally finished my first draft last week i say it's the first draft it's like the vomit draft so it is just more of a purge of ideas then i'll refine it to first draft and then probably 18 more drafts down the line is the film it's like commissioned yet or is it just no it's i'm gonna write it and then take it out and see if anyone wants to buy it will you star in it i said i would never be in something that i'm directing but ever again but now I'm like I guess I guess I'll be in it do you think yeah I think so I don't know I don't know I have no idea also it may never even oh it will Billy everything you touch turns to gold I feel oh that's nice but we'll we'll I don't know it's it's a romantic comedy but it's kind of it's not that romantic at this moment it's dark but that's really my skill set I think yes the darker comedy stuff Billy Piper it's been a pleasure having you on thank you it's really lovely to see you lovely to see you thank you so much Scoop is brilliant you are absolutely brilliant in it wonderful and thank you so much for coming on and having breakfast with us we will have you again

40:49Billy Piper. I want to be her friend. What a gorgeous woman. Gorgeous. So sexy. So lovely. Warm. Yeah, just love her. So talented. I can't wait to see the film that she's going to make. Loved having her over. I realised that you shouldn't do, as much as the poached eggs did work, you shouldn't do eggs and toast for a breakfast one because it takes too long. I don't know. I'm sorry. Yeah, because it was almost like making the eggs again, even though you'd chopped them. Yeah, it is a good hack. The other thing is, if you don't mind me saying, it was all delicious, but it was really soggy. Oh, don't.

41:27The toast was so soggy. Because I was trying to toast it, and I was trying to get everything. Yeah, I know. Oh, fuck it. It wasn't my best. It was delicious, darling. It was your best, but the toast was soggy. Yeah, but I think I gave you the soggier than her. Okay. Scoop is out on the 5th of April and it's brilliant and she is fantastic in it as per usual you can watch it on Netflix and we'll see you next week for another guest and I hope I'm not bloody looking we won't see anyone we'll be with you okay we'll be with you

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