Bonus Episode: Gabby Logan

0:03Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with my mum in my kitchen in New across. Hi darling. How you doing? I'm fine, I've got a bit of a croaky voice but I'm fine. And yet again we are matching. I'm so sorry. No I don't know what, maybe this means that we are so connected. We're so connected. Psychically connected darling. But first things first let me tell you this episode is brought to you by Deliveroo which you're going to find out is your perfect gifting partner this festive season. You're not only going to get an episode of Table Manners with a fantastic guest, this is also rather festive today.

0:37isn't it, Mum? We're preparing for Christmas, darling, and you're going to find out that Deliveroo isn't just about getting a delicious meal, which we use it for. It's also about getting your Christmas shopping done, delivered right to your door. I actually couldn't live without the Deliveroo app, I don't think. Neither could I. I constantly use it to get supermarket groceries. However, this has been the biggest game changer that now I can also do my presents and get them on the same day. Seeing as this episode is brought to you by the wonderful Deliveroo, we thought we'd play a little game of Secret Santa with today's guest.

1:15So if you're in need of a bit of present inspiration, then this one is for you. So who's on the episode today, Mum? She's a bit of an icon. Absolutely. In the sports world. She is blonde. Yes. A football pundit. Yes. Probably my favourite football pundit. She also does coverage of all the world's biggest sporting events. She covers lots of sporting events. Her knowledge is amazing. From the Champions League, from Champions League coverage on TNT Sport to Olympic Games on BBC, she does everything. Everything. She knows lots about sports. She's kind of got sports heritage. She's the daughter of a footballer, Welsh footballer, Terry Yorath.

1:59And she's married to a sportsman. And she was also a former rhythmic gymnast who represented Wales and Great Britain. It's Gabby Logan and we're so excited to have her. We wanted to have her for years. So it's perfect that we're doing this and also that we're getting a present from her. Perfect. Lovely. I have been cooking, but I think I've made a mistake on what I've made. What do you mean? It was a New York Times. I got the email. It said you're going to die for this amazing recipe. I didn't actually look at the kind of thing where basically I'm going to be cooking whilst you're chatting. Okay.

2:33Which is slightly annoying. But I'll get on with it. You can talk sport, darling. So I'm doing Andy Baragani's sticky miso salmon bowl. It does look delish. It's like this marinade that you do with honey, miso, grapefruit zest and grapefruit juice. You haven't marinated anything. You don't know what I've done, Lenny. It's marinating right now. I just saw you open the salmon. I have tried to destarch the sushi rice and it's still cloudy. So who knows? We're probably going to get crappy rice. And you serve it with radishes, avocado, seaweed and spring onions. Where did you get seaweed from? Nori sheets.

3:13Oh, the sheets of it. Yeah. I like eating those. Oh, I can give you one, Lenny. Yeah, thank you. So we're having that. And then I've made an apple stem ginger galette because I actually can't do puddings. And I'm going to put some apricot jam on the top of it that you put in the microwave to kind of glaze it and then serve with creme fraiche. It's, it's, it will be fine. I think actually she's at the door now. Gabby Logan coming up on a very special Deliveroo Table Manners episode.

3:49Gabby Logan. Oh, hello. Thank you so much for coming over here. Oh, thanks for having me. Because this is quite a schlep. No, it's not. It's lovely. And it is. And you did come in with, I don't know, something in the universe told us all to wear red. I don't know whether it was because we knew we were doing a secret Santa or something. But yeah, we all were in red at the beginning. You've stripped off because it's getting hot in here. So thank you so much for coming. How are you? You've already like recorded a bit. You've already done about a day's work. Did a sports agents podcast this morning in Leicester Square.

4:25So I like, you know, if I'm working, I kind of want to keep that energy going. Not that this is work. I mean, this is a treat. Yeah, you're right. It is nice. And she's researched tomorrow night's game. Well, we're recording this just before United and Arsenal play. Yeah. And you're covering it. She's covering it. For Prime, yeah. So it's, research is kind of ongoing in my job. You know, you don't just, I never just sit down and do an hour. You're always reading things and picking things up that might feed into the next thing you're doing. So I don't, if I've got a bit of time, like 20 minutes, half an hour where I'm waiting somewhere, I just, I'm reading up basically.

4:59I, I mean, we're United fans and it's quite. Heads to red. Yeah. Sad times for us. It's not. But it's, I mean, maybe we're coming out. No, but it's not fab. Yes. Faber. Faber. Yeah. I think you're on the turn. You are, don't you? Do you really, do you think? Yeah, definitely. Marcus was smiling. Mum, you need to, Marcus, Marcus needs to stop having a problem. No, he's stopping. Good, great. I can see. He's scored three goals already. He's scored three goals in two games. So I'm happy and I'm happy for you because you think he's your son. And we've also got, I think, the most handsome manager in the Premier League.

5:37Yeah, he's certainly, he's gorgeous. I don't want to objectify my own. No, no, I do. but he's got a lovely face charismatic have you interviewed him yet? not yet although I'll be interviewing him tomorrow he's sat down with my colleague for about an hour the other day which is sometimes post match you can't get the full measure of somebody when you sit down with them in an environment a bit more relaxed like this you see a bit more and Mark said he was great and was really polite to everybody on the set which you don't always get you've already been on the tube today you've had some twins on the tube that were entertaining you four-year-olds making rude words out of um tube stations yes and you have twins yeah and yours are how old 19 but mine are these these two this morning were identical boys mine are a girl and a boy and i did say to the mum of a very boisterous boy that i have we we often thank our lucky stars that my boy came with a girl because i know if i'd had two of him i don't know if we'd be together not me and him me and his father um can we start at the beginning around the dinner table where were you um who was around the dinner table when you were a child and what were you eating were you born in wales no i was born in leeds okay so my dad was playing that he was playing yeah i remember and i'm the eldest of four and so there were three of us born very quickly so I can't ever remember being around the dinner table without the others because my mum had three children under the age of 26 so we were a quite um a young family you know but my mum was I think she had me at 21 so she she got um she got engaged before her 21st birthday which always blows my mind you know especially as I've got a daughter who's going to turn 20 next year and my dad being a footballer wasn't always there at regular times for an evening meal he was there mostly and if he wasn't playing a midweek game so we would always eat together we were always at the table yeah there was always a placemat and you know linen and the table not necessarily a tablecloth but there was it was always an occasion and it might not have always been the most incredibly kind of gourmet meal but it was um it was home cooked it was always home cooked so post-school you know every night of the week we'd all be doing different sports and different activities but then we all would come in and eat together and that's something that I really valued from my childhood I think and is something that was a non-negotiable for me with my own kids.

8:03We didn't have TV dinners as a kid, so therefore that was not going to be something that my kids did. So I think it is that communication and that shared passion for food and for learning about your lives from each other. If you've got busy lives, it's just the best thing that you can do, I think, for kids. Did you talk about sport? Yes. We were a very competitive bunch because as kids... So you were playing. Yeah, so I was doing my sport. My brother and sister, because I think the older three of us, I've got a younger brother. My brother Daniel died, but he was going to be a professional footballer.

8:37So he was doing football. My sister was doing gymnastics. So we'd always be talking about what we were doing and bragging, you know, with each other, but also competing with each other. And my parents would... The conversation could go anywhere, really, actually. You know, often I think I look back and my dad was quite a polemic, so he liked to stir up things. So if I'd say something as a precocious 12 year old about politics, he'd throw something back that we'd have a disagreement. We once had an argument in a restaurant in Spain about something. Oh, it was about me wanting a pair of shoes. And he said, he said, I'll buy you these shoes if you eat all the mustard in that jar on the table.

9:14And there was a jar of mustard in bits. And my mom was going, no, Terry. And he said, she'll do it. She'll do it. So I started eating the mustard, like obviously decanted it, started eating it. and my mum in the end, because I was obviously going green, and my mum was going, no, you could have, and they were like, you have 10 quid, these shoes. They were just like a little trainer or something. But you wouldn't give up? No, because obviously, my sister and brother looked on kind of horrified that I was prepared to do this for these shoes, which we still laugh about now, and eventually my mum kind of intervened and was like, no, she doesn't have to eat any more mustard to do this by.

9:44So, yeah, there was quite, quite robust. Fun, loud. Yeah. Where was your mum, your dad's from Wales? Yeah. proudly welsh yes and where was your mum from she is from leeds so they met when he yorkshire yeah she met they met when he she her mum had a cafe opposite ellen road she was doing her a levels and she used to work in the um cafe occasionally and she served some of the leeds players after school and my dad had been asked to go to an event and he didn't think the girl he was 17 he didn't think the girl he was seeing would have been a good guest because she smoked so he asked my mum if she would go no first of all he asked my mum to iron his trousers for the dinner he said have you got an ironing board and an iron in this cafe and my mum said no and he said well would you come with me to the dinner instead and so it's kind of a weird um way of yeah asking somebody yeah but um but yeah they um they had a uh kind of strange coming together but then obviously that's very young very young the manager of leeds at the time was a guy called don revie and he quite liked his players to settle down as quickly as possible because he felt it was going to somehow give them a stability and home life that was going to be conducive to being more focused at work so he also did things like he would send the wives gifts and flowers on significant dates birthdays and things so that he kind of told them that they were part of this journey so did that mean a lot to your mum you feel she certainly mentioned it a lot and talked about it in you know kind of growing up I knew these stories so it clearly did resonate with her and the other women that I feel they were I mean they always joke that they were the original wags and you know she still has dinner with two of the wives from that era is that who you support Leeds no I'm accidentally a Newcastle fan why I love your mum she's she's so horrified how did she get from Leeds to Newcastle when dad was moving around we left Leeds when I was four and then he went to Coventry and then he went to Vancouver no he went to Spurs then he went to Vancouver and then he came back to Coventry and then we were all over the place did you travel with him yeah so you following all the time usually a few months late so mum packing up houses and selling and moving on and so you're following his club I was doing my sport and not really always able as I got older to go but always following his team so then when I went to university I went to Durham he was managing Wales and of course Wales don't play every Saturday so I was missing that team to follow on at the weekend and I started going to Newcastle United and then I started working in local radio in Newcastle and covering Newcastle United it was the Keegan era difficult to not I mean if you if you go to Newcastle every single person in the city on being born on coming out of their mother's womb is given a Newcastle shirt I mean they literally the whole city is mad for the team and it's impossible not to get swept along it's such an interesting stadium as well because it's kind of smack bang it kind of emerges it's a citadel it's yeah high wherever you are you can see it coming on the train and it's there and i often stay at the gateshead side the um hilton if i'm doing the great north run or something like that and my view of the window is always the time bridge and newcastle unitedst james's park and i think it's just one of the most iconic views it's such a beautiful river and it's such a i love the city's industrial past how it kind of feeds into the architecture and feeds into the bridges and it's such a vibrant city so I'm very yeah I'm sad that I can't go a lot because of work and distance but I'm I'm really glad I'm connected still to a place that means so much to me.

13:14Did you ever resent your dad's job? No I don't think so I think we realized at quite a young age that we had quite a different upbringing to his he was from a very very working class hard-working family in a council estate in Cardiff and sport was a way out for him and um and so I think when we go back and visit my granny there we realized that our life was a bit different we were not like Premier League footballers are now but we certainly had a much more middle class life and upbringing to the one that he had but he never forgot his you know his family and his roots and everything of course but and my mum the same you know she was she always told us about her first cot being the bottom drawer of his chest of drawers and you know and having no bathroom in the house and that kind of thing so they both were kind of i suppose aspirational young people working hard and and hard work was at the kind of core of everything that they did but we realized that we went on maybe more holidays than he'd gone on and we had a nice house and you know had um the the the kind of not trappings but we had the things they didn't have as kids um now we're going to play a game this is the delivery special episode and we are celebrating the fact that delivery not only supply lots of delicious food to our doorsteps, but they also have gifting now that potentially some people don't know about.

14:33So we're going to play a game of Secret Santa. So producer Alice has given us all a piece of paper and we're going to play Secret Santa. And what we're going to do is we're going to open up and see who we've got. And then we're going to go on the Deliveroo app and we're going to go and choose a present. And by the time that we've had our lunch, it will be arriving at the door and we will all be gifting each other. I don't tell you. no it's secret so this is not what I'd recommend at a dinner party to all be on our phones however in our house this would be me going mental if anybody dares to get a phone out of the table but this is an exception so we're just gonna all quickly choose our presents find the presents not on the high street or on oh really?

15:17yeah boots perfume shop sure there's a whole because obviously it's location dependent so there's Hackney Wick Company in Hackney for me which is perfect that's like nice candles you would shop there anyway oh wow they've got everything they've got tech beauty children's bits they've even got flowers darling oh mum fancy renting a dress by her that's a great idea within half an hour So if you turned up in the same colour as one of your co-hosts... I could then hire... You could hire a dress quickly. Wouldn't it be fun? Yeah. We should have done that anyway. We could have done that because we...

16:01Yeah, absolutely. Are you ready to select yours? Yeah. Okay, fine. I'm going to select mine. Perfect. Right. Presents have been ordered and they should be here in as little as 25 minutes from Deliveroo. Really? Mm-hmm. Boom. I want to keep shopping. Are you a big shopper? Not in situ. So I do a couple of shops for work a year where I go and do like a mad day. And then I do another day of just getting, because I do so much technique and get loads of outfits ready so that I don't have to worry. So if I'm doing a World Cup or Euros and I need 28 outfits or something or Olympics or something, and then we get them all together and then that's it.

16:45I'm not a great borrower from, you know, people like to borrow from designers and things like that. it's just too much faff I've got to get everything ready so I don't I don't kind of have time to browse sometimes I have half an hour somewhere in between a meeting and I go into a shop and start touching things and feel like oh this is what it used to be like I used to go into shops and see things and I do enjoy it I just don't have loads of time are you a good present giver I think I am because I think I try and think about the person I work on the basis that it's something that I would like to receive as well so I don't although it's for them I think it's something of quality that I would want so I don't give away I don't re-gift loads of stuff that I've already got in the cupboard I try and buy something and I also like to buy these days a lot of um monogrammed stuff so people know that you've you've bought it in advance and not just bought it the night before Christmas that's a really nice idea so you've thought about it but it doesn't always work out um have you ever been given a really quite awful present oh yes um anyone you can yeah my husband we we do laugh usually yeah he he was way too generous this particular christmas it was our first christmas together i think and the first thing was i woke up and this is going to make him sound ridiculously romantic we were in a townhouse and three floors of rose petals led down to a rose the guitar was i and then love you in roses so the guitar was the present right because i kept saying to him i'd like to learn the guitar i'd like to play the guitar beautiful black yamaha guitar so i thought that was it right so this is an amazingly romantic lovely present then i opened up some more presents there was this gorgeous coat he bought me then some rollerblades right which is and now we're kind of going in slightly esoteric random things then this piece of art which i was disgusting right and not like anything i had in my house or anything i know but now we laugh about it because he's got this friend who we all agree has no taste and he said but i bought it with pete and i went you went shopping with pete like you're mad like nobody would buy anything in pete's company you just wouldn't if and he said pete said gabby would i said what he's known me like five minutes so um we do laugh about that particular and we took it back and exchanged it for something we still have hanging on the wall so yeah yeah but that was such a random collection of gifts right i mean you know that could have been like for five christmas exactly and i thought this guy's so generous like just like but also downhill after that and then you have kids yeah and you're lucky if you get a tea towel um but yeah that was definitely the most it was hard to hide my reaction you know when you open something up and you go oh what were you thinking about this oh that's brilliant yeah um what's your best gift that you've ever received oh i think when you know i know it sounds like i'm being kind of humble and going oh it's just a little thing sometimes but it is sometimes those things that you've just mentioned and you haven't been dropping hints but they've heard you and and they're like oh i thought this might make your life easier and this is something that you obviously wanted and so it can be just so innocuous like i had this old ipad cover that didn't go onto a stand and he said every time i see you struggling with that i think you should have one of those ones that goes and that some things like that where your life is made easier by somebody yeah kind of thinking about you is almost as nice isn't it as don't get me wrong a tennis bracelet would be lovely yeah um obviously yeah all those all those things are great but i think it's knowing that the person knows you i think is quite nice isn't it what was christmas like when you're growing up well it's quite interesting because my working life now kind of replicates a bit of what i experienced growing up because i'll be working on boxing day oh so i'll be doing does that mean And won't get drunk on Christmas Day?

20:25No, I'll cook and I'll have maybe a glass of wine or two. But I won't have what everybody else will be drinking. Yeah. And I won't start until, I won't be drinking through cooking or anything like that. So I don't have that full Christmas Day. What time do you have to leave the house on Boxing Day? Early-ish, half 10, 11. But I've got to be groomed. I've got to wash my hair and I've got up and make sure. I wouldn't just run out the door because it's too big a game and it's too big an advantage. Which game do you have? I'm doing Liverpool. Liverpool. Leicester on Boxing Day. Okay. So, you know, who knows?

20:56At Liverpool. Yeah, at Anfield. So it's a bit of a journey as well to get you. It's a schlap, isn't it? And then the day after that, I'm at Arsenal again. So I've got a double header. So my dad, being a footballer, would often be leaving us on Christmas Day to go and play somewhere on Boxing Day. So I understand, I suppose, a bit more than other families might about that disjointed Christmas. Was he in training when he was quite a young person? Did they have an academy at least? They didn't have academies then. And he left home at 15, though, to go and be a Leeds player. His story is quite sliding doors when it's really interesting because he'd been sent this offer of a trial for Leeds United, 15 years old, got on the train, which those days from Cardiff to Leeds probably took about 10 hours or something, turns up in Leeds, does his trial for a week with seven or eight other boys.

21:41And at the end of the week, they were going to tell them who'd been offered a contract. And he was asked to clean the manager's office or the guy who was in charge of that week. Because they used to be given real hard tasks back in those days. you know chores to do they weren't treated like academy players are now and he was cleaning the office and noticed the pile of um offers on the table and so he couldn't help him no he wasn't that's so terrible another another boy and this other boy happened to be a twin and when he was offered his family said not unless you take his twin and they said well we're not offering his twin we're offering him so his dad got coming so my dad got his place and ended up kind of being the league united player that he was then for 10 years so um yeah i mean he might have made it anyway and he might have gone somewhere else but he wouldn't have been part of that kind of iconic leeds team of the 70s which is often even now people talk to me about that team and you know it was an amazing team so he had and then he after that he left home and ended up being in they used to have digs where they'd stay with a family and had um that for two years living with a you know a woman who looked after a few footballers and very hard for somebody at that age to be wrenched away from your family and not have that comfort of that nurturing I think made you quite hard I think can we talk about your sporting career because you know all your siblings sound you were all very active and it was I presume kind of expected maybe it was going to be an active household I think my mum tried to give us we all did every musical instrument to grade one we all did all we did all the drama we do all I'm up to at the moment and she tried really hard for it not to be just sport and I remember her saying to me I don't know how she knew this but I was about 10 and I wanted to give up doing Lambda or something I mean a drama exam she said oh it looked good on your CV if you want to go to uni nobody in our family had ever been to uni so I don't know why she thought that that was inevitable that I would because she had high ambitions yeah and Durham is like one of the best universities it was a great one to go to and she was very and but she'd said to me once as well about if you went to Cambridge you might want to do footlights now i honestly to this day have no idea how she knew about footlights because she was this leads girl who'd nobody's family gone to uni how did she know about that and she so she did have aspirations i guess for us but not in a way that she was pushy she just always said she wanted us to find our passions and and put them all out there and say choose something do something but don't do nothing you know so your initial passion was gymnastics yeah all sports really okay gymnastics by accident because i'd really want to be a tennis player until i was about 10 we lived in vancouver and i played loads of tennis and tried to pitch to my parents that i should move to florida and go to nick volatieri's camp oh wow they're like uh no um you're coming back home with us after vancouver was that the venus williams yeah yeah yeah right he sounded like a character and i'd seen this documentary and thought this is utopia you just play tennis all day in florida in the sunshine yeah and obviously it wasn't going to be so i came back and we lived in country at the time and then we moved to leeds there were no indoor courts for public use in Leeds so my sister was gymnast I just kept following her to gym until the tennis courts opened and kind of never came back really so it was an accident that I ended up doing more I find that so fascinating from because what I gather from watching like the Simone Biles documentaries and and and also seeing my daughter's eight and she goes to a local gymnastics it's and it's very kind but you can feel it's incredibly regimented and strict and from what I see is almost quite lonely because you're basically against the world rather than being in a team.

25:20You are in a squad, yeah, but that's similar with tennis. You're confusing against the people who you're training with. Yeah. It's a funny old thing. And yet, two of my oldest, longest friends, and I'm godmother to both of their daughters, one's got multiple daughters, are from when I was 12 as a gymnast. so something yeah connected there and you and you can see i presume you've seen the simone biles documentary it's so fascinating seeing seeing they all adore each other those girls in the usa team usa and obviously simone was seen as this well the you know the greatest of all time but they and yeah but they and they kind of accept that but they and they will are on but also they achieve such great things too but um i i i just did you it doesn't sound like it was your total passion and you fell into it yeah no it was once i was in it yeah and what was your all in and i absolutely loved it and i didn't want to do anything else and i was obsessed by it and it was rhythmic rhythmic gymnastics which is much more bands hoops clubs and balls all of it's on the mat and it's apparatus and it's not in this country it's not the strong suit of gymnastics you know it was my heroes were when I was 15 my heroes were Bulgarian or Russian they were my absolute idols and I'd watch grainy kind of VHS tapes of them and then got to go see some of them live and you know and the 84 Olympics when I was 11 was the first time rhythmic had been in the Olympics but of course there was a boycotting by a lot of the eastern bloc countries so Romania still went and the gymnast team one was from Romania and I was I was just obsessed I just watched hours and hours of it it gave me a real um entry into classical music and music because we we could only use one instrument for our music had very strict rules so most people had piano and we used to have a live pianist at competitions in the old days who played your music and could if they were good would see that you wanted to catch the ball on a certain note so they would it was amazing at the beginning and then I think that was quite an expensive indulgence so then we were off tapes and um and then they allowed us to have non-piano so you could play you could have a guitar piece or you could have a violin piece so I spent hours in the local library going through the classical music sections at like 13 years old looking for single instrument pieces so John Williams the classical guitarist was one of my go-tos and it was a very um my mum must have thought she had this real quirky 13 year old because I'd be in my bedroom playing all this and like Manonoff and stuff like that going does this work for a club's routine and my sister was doing it as well so we'd be in our bedroom with our apparatus making up routines and I suppose it was a healthy obsession that's amazing it was an obsession what was the color of your outfit oh did you have lots of not many you had to have different ones for different routines and you tried to match the mood of the music with your i mean that was a real kind of did you enjoy that i love that did they have sparkles on we weren't as sparkly as they are now we had because my mum wouldn't pay for these extraordinary expensive leotards that came from the states and stuff so me and my sister used to get these bog standard ones and then try and decorate them ourselves but nobody in our family has been gifted with real artistic talent so they looks everything looked botched everything looked i used to try and copy these pictures and they just looked like a four-year-old had done them so um it was quite sweet and naive whilst you carry on chatting i'm just going to assemble the bowls i'm sorry that i'm kind of i want to know how many suitcases of clothes did you take to paris for the this olympics just gone um good question and my lovely uh he was kind of a production manager lloyd who works uh he's sadly left worked on the bbc olympic coverage for us was so kind in taking one of my extra cases out because we had to travel on train they wouldn't let us fly because of um getting a thing called the albert stamps and make it more sustainable and i said well i can't take three cases on the eurostar and these are big cases you're not allowed um well i just couldn't how was i going to get them off yeah yeah yeah so lloyd bless him took one of them for me so that i could get all the clothes i wanted because it's not just the clothes you wear every day you've got a different outfit for the telly but you also need clothes outside of telly and i like to exercise when i'm away as well so you've got all that stuff so every single thing i took got used i never waste you know a cubic centimeter but um and i always take my own pillow as well when i travel do you yeah what why is it so special your pillow is it feather or no it's a like a tempura memory foam pillow okay um i find if you have my pillow the bed can be awful as long as I've got my pillow it doesn't matter what the bed's like whereas if you have rubbish pillows I don't get I fidget all night so my pillow I'm out like a light so it's it's better than anything that I could take to ensure that I get a good because often we're working weird shifts you know late nights not getting your normal quantity of sleep and what was the food like amazing it was and I I love Paris yeah and I've been quite a lot in the last year and eaten in some amazing restaurants but we were very lucky because normally when you do sport in stadiums you don't want to eat anything in the stadium right that's the food's rubbish so you've got to take your food either with you or you order in something and there was this incredible kind of like a um a poke bowl place near the hotel but it wasn't really poke bowl because she had this woman had all kinds of different things and i just go and get these amazing dishes made up every day to the point where they told one of my colleagues the day before the olympics finished they said can you tell your friend that we're not open tomorrow because i was such a regular yeah um that i became okay so um having been in paris quite a lot over the last couple of years and eating in some amazing places i did feel that i was slightly i don't know i wasn't eating in all these but we never had a chance to sit and eat in restaurants on these kinds of trips because we get back at midnight and you don't want to eat at midnight and then in the morning you're up you're doing something and then you go and it's so you sometimes you're in these incredible places and you never actually get to experience the city so how long were you there for this time only a couple of weeks but i've been in various work trips and personal trips because my kids were 18 last year and we decided to do like a good four-day trip to paris for their 18th so we ate in some amazing places there i've got they are real foodies what was your favorite meal um we actually went back lois and i went back to this restaurant which was owned by a couple who is not far from saint man they they were both bankers in london and their lebanese descent and they decided to set up the food they wanted to eat and this is tiny restaurant the kitchen is here you can only fit about 12 15 people in the downstairs section and they are the only restaurant in paris i think the chef's michelin star but they're the only restaurant in paris where you can have every single wine on their very extensive list by the glass that was their big thing oh that's amazing so um and i the names are known like midlife foggy brain it will come I've just yeah and I will tell you they're great so I've sent a few people there in the last year and they've all really enjoyed it that was my favourite meal and are you best mates with all the other yeah we're really getting on really well so Claire Balding so Claire I don't get to see too much during the Olympics because she's on one shift and I'm on another we'll be working together in two weeks doing sports personality of the year I know three women yeah with Alex as well and so I love Claire She's so funny and she's such a professional.

32:36She's great. I love her. But I work with Denise Lewis at the Olympics with Jess and Michael. And we have a really good time, especially the girls, because we spend more time together. I was dragging them out. I managed to get Jess to go to Barry's Boot Camp in Paris with me, which was hilarious. He's got to Paris? Yeah. I was doing Barry's in Berlin at the Euros this summer. Good God. But it's so funny. Waiting for a class at Barry's Boot Camp with an Olympic heptathlon champion is hilarious. because people were looking because there's a lot of expat people in there and they were i could see people going it's just in this hill but i'd booked us in with two of the makeup artists we work with um so i everybody was called gabby according to the instructors list because i got us all in so he kept shouting something to gabby something to gabby and we realized that he thought we were all called gabby yeah so um at one point he said um uh well done get me just all waved at him and he was this guy was completely confused especially the people that thought that was just in his hill they were kind of going isn't that just in his hill but yeah she's she's great So how did you meet Kenny, your husband?

33:34Oh, we met in a bar in Chelsea. Wow. A random, yeah, a real... That's quite unlike... Yeah. That's fabulous. It was really random. Just at the end of a night, he was with a group of players who'd been out that day. They played that day. My girlfriend I was with happened to be a producer at Sky who worked on rugby, knew them because she'd made a VT with them. Oh, wow. And she said, oh, I know those guys. I did a few things last week. And I was actually chatting to somebody else. and he came over and gave me a drink and just started chatting away and then went round the corner and told his friend he was chatting up Gabby Roslin.

34:11Another Gabby. And his friend came round the corner at Simon and said, no, you're not, you're chatting up Gabby Yorath. She's a football presenter. And he went, yeah, I know, but Kenny is really dyslexic. So to this day, I don't know whether he just got his names mixed up or whether he genuinely thought the lady from The Big Breakfast was potentially going to be taken out by him the following week. so yeah and then he asked you out yeah he had a great chat at line so we ended up going over the road to this 24-hour restaurant called van catra on the fulham road and just having it was non-alcoholic place so we were sat there just eating and drinking hot chocolate or tea or something till about five in the morning and we came out to get cabs home there were four of us and he put his arm around me because it was really cold it was january and he said oh i'm playing against whales next week at murrayfield would you like to come up and watch and um and i thought that's a good that's good and i said i'm sorry i'm going to a health farm with my girlfriend i can't make it and he always laughs about how i my but i was and i couldn't let my girlfriend down you know anyway i ended up watching him on the telly he scored like loads of points and played brilliantly and he was man of the match and i said to the girl that's the guy and she went i think he is the guy and uh yeah so there you go please start and it may not i made such a vat of rice there is more and it may need more salt so i will not be offended if you need to put some salt on honestly it's gorgeous or it may be too much salt i don't know would this be um a go-to lunch for you the salmon's delicious well it's some with grapefruit and miso and grapefruit zest i love a bowl and i um would i would i yeah yeah i would actually this was actually quite straightforward if i wasn't trying to do a podcast and chat at the same time um but um i do love a bowl and maybe I kind of got it right because you like a poke bowl.

35:59Yeah, I love it. And I can't, I don't know how you do it. I really don't. I have such admiration for you because I cannot, I love cooking. I can't talk to anybody, honestly. Barack Obama could walk in and I'd just say, sorry, I'm not, I know you're interesting, but not now. Yeah. This is a real skill to be able to chat. This is delicious. This is not my recipe though. This is a New York Times recipe and I've been following this guy, Andy Baragani on Instagram. and this works this is tasty great perfect bit faffy but fine um so gabby we ask everybody last supper at starter main pud drink of choice would you like an alcoholic drink right now yeah no thank you you look quite shocked you're more like an athlete see you're such a prone no i i'm not very good at drinking during the day if i've got stuff to do um also i'm supposed to be going to my hygienist later so she's fine she might have a something to say about that um you'll just have some seaweed in your teeth instead um so starter i love you know otolenghi style i call it otolenghi style dishes so yeah big my favorite sunday lunches are lots of big plates of different kinds of vegetables something maybe roasted something whether it's a fish or chicken we're done with something interesting and lots of bits that go with it um they're my that's my favorite kind of cooking yeah and it's also probably my favorite kind of food really so it does but if it's my last supper then somebody else is making it right um but to start and this is so random because it doesn't go with it at all but i don't think these courses need to match today they don't need to no no no i love and i never order it because nobody makes it well enough really in this country is a proper french onion soup you know I made it on Saturday.

37:48Did you? I mean, I can't just pop my door. And everyone went crazy for it. Did they? Yeah. Whose recipe was it? I made a combination recipe, Mary Berry. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it was really good old fashioned. And I bought the stock in a jar from Marks and Spencer's and it was liquid stock. It wasn't... What, chicken stock? A beef stock? No, it was beef stock. and it was in a jar, a beef consomme stock. And it was really gorgeous. But bloody hell, it took hours, two kilos of onions. Everyone farting after that. Yeah, that's the problem as well. If it's your last supper, who cares about the gas, right?

38:27Absolutely. So is that your starter? Well, I know it's a bit boring, but if I'm having all that other stuff, which I'm going to get to in a minute. It's so delicious. And I quite like, I love, and also if you do it properly with more cheese than you can possibly imagine, then it's not a healthy starter, is it? And I don't think that's a problem if it's your last supper. So go for it on the... She put mustard on top, Dijon mustard, before she put the cheese on. This is Mary. No. Kind of like a progmissure. I didn't do that. I just put the cheese on and gave two pieces of baguette and everyone loved it.

39:03Yeah, loads of lashings of French butter on a fresh baguette. that would be an absolute dream i mean before that we could have had really interesting canapes couldn't we as well do you like the canapes i love i do like the canapes i like it because it seems like such effort that i'm not doing do you know i mean i'm like i appreciate that especially when they're in my mouth mini versions of whole meals yes i love that this is sensational this is really good i can say that because it's um not my recipe but i i would make this again i'll send you the recipe thank you it's gorgeous would you like some more no i'm i would like some more but i'm gonna say no because you've got you mentioned the word pudding i do have you got a sweet tooth gabby no i'm not you can just have a second bit of salmon if you prefer no you've made a pudding no i'm rubbish at um puddings i am too so let's see how it goes and then i actually had to cook dinner for mary berry she came to my house why are you friends she's a neighbor and she um so She'd invited us for an hour for dinner, just Kenny and I.

40:06What did she cook you? She did a very, her pudding, let's go backwards. She'd made this apple flan type French tart thing, which looked exquisite. It had all the apples were kind of fanned out and very... Okay, my one's going to be a poor man's Mary Berry today, okay? She knocked it up in about, I think, you know, and the main course was, it wasn't lamb. I cooked lamb for her because I wanted to do a traditional. which me did she did a very traditional main course it might have been a beef bourguignon maybe okay and her starter was um a soup and she um maybe her french onion soup no it wasn't french onion soup she did very it made it all look like you have today it's all very straightforward very easy whereas i had to book a whole day off work to prep for her dinner but that is because it's mary berry so do i because i just didn't want anything to get and i the kids were in the house but they weren't sitting, which is unusual, but I just felt like she didn't really want, they were eight or nine at the time.

41:05Uh-huh, okay. So they were loitering kind of upstairs and then they came running in at the end and they, what did you think of mummy's dinner? And asked her to, you know, critique it. And she was very sweet. And she said, well, do you know what I did for pudding? Because I'm so bad at dessert. I did a cheesecake. Why is that so bad? It's such a cop-out, isn't it? It's like offering biscuits or something. No, no. But she liked it because it had a very crusty bottom. oh well done no soggy tops so she said oh and she asked me for the recipe for my I did a salsa with this lamb and she asked me for the recipe for the salsa yes Gabby yeah which was the highlight I feel like you're just an overachiever like you can remember to think no I had to take a whole day of work to make minestroneous soup for Mary Berry I mean I literally was that terrible and petrified she's such a lovely woman and she moved out of our village now she lives further away but I did a book talk at Henley Festival and she came and surprised me and sat in the audience and because she lives in that direction now and you know it totally curtailed what I talked about because I've got so much respect for her I didn't want to make rude jokes I didn't want to talk about kind of anything that I normally would and I kept changing my language to not be sweary or say anything rude in front of her.

42:17Are you quite sweary then? I'm married to a Scott who they think the f-word is just a punctuation point in a sentence. And so, as a result, we can be quite sweary. Oh, that is the last of the delivery. So I'm going to go and get them, and then we can play Secret Santa. Okay, darling. Alice, producer Alice, can you please come and help us give out the presents? Gabby, this one's for you, I believe. Thank you. And Jussie. Thank you. Thank you very much. OK. Mum, you open yours first.

43:02Oh, wow, Jess. Thank you. Did you get me this? I did get you it because I just know that you love it. Chloe Perfume. Darling, where did you get it from? The perfume shop on delivery. You're kidding. Yep. You're next, Gabby. I'm going to open mine. Oh. Oh. Santander. Yes. Wow. Oh, wow, that's such a treat. Thank you. And there's more, and there's more. Oh, Spice Clementine and Pomegranate. Oh, Merry Christmas, Gabby. Yes, that is Christmas in a box. What, is it a candle? Yeah. And a box which has in it Chocolate Wonders. Oh, thank you so much. I just thought you needed to relax. You need to just chill the fuck out, Gabby.

43:50Honestly, this is my Christmas. You know when I come back from doing all that football Say on the 28th I just light my candle Eat my chockeys and maybe share that with Kenny Thank you so much Well I guess Gabby you got me mine then Okay let's see what we've got

44:14You could get Clarence on Deliveroo Oh my goodness this is like a Blimmin' showstopper This is huge It's called a showstopper darling Oh, come on. I love... I mean, that is doubling up as a handbag as well. What a clutch. Thank you. And I love miniatures. Well, I just thought at some point you are going to get out of the kitchen and go back on tour, aren't you? Yes, I am. So these will be quite handy for you. Oh, come on. Thanks. You can come again, Gabby. Just going to put some of the lip perfecter on now. Hang on. Oh, perfect. That is absolutely perfect. Perfect. Thank you. now listen I'm going to put the pudding in the oven now okay whilst I go back to the oven mum is going to get your finish off our last so main what so main I would like a lot of dishes fine that's all right yeah just go for a big something time thing so maybe some aubergines with pomegranates and some kind of curry yogurt with it then we'll have on the side maybe uh some lentil I know this sounds really healthy, but I just love the lentils with grilled tomatoes and urugano and stuff like that, which you think for last time for us should be more indulgent.

45:26So here it comes. Okay. We're going to have a massive fillet of beef. Just the best ever quality of beef. What condiments are you going to have? Well, with all these different dishes. All the bits. They all kind of go in together, don't they? They all work together. So there'll be something with some carrots and maybe something, because Ottolenghi do some great carrot recipes. that's not the only cookbook I use but it is my go-to which one? they're simple, I've started to make some really good Children's Firehouse cookbook is quite hard to follow but their Caesar salad recipe is to die for really?

46:02it involves like skinning my mum bought me it because she thought it looked beautiful and it does but it involves a lot of ingredients so you kind of have to be ready to go but it's worth it, worth the effort maybe we'll throw that in on the side as well yes please do and then pudding, you're not a pudding person no but if I have if there's anything that can tempt me on a menu a simple affogato but I'm not going to do that right now because that's just too simple it'll be a sticky toffee pudding with a big dollop of vanilla ice cream probably do you like ice cream with your sticky toffee pudding or cream?

46:41I just said, Sheila. No, do you never have cream with it? No. No, I think that's right. I've made a mistake there. I prefer cream with it because it's so sweet. Okay. I want, like... You want the sauce set. But you've got the sauce, Jess. You've got the sticky-toppy sauce. Then you're double-sourcing, aren't you? You're double-sourcing. I like the hardness of the ice cream with the soft... And drink of choice. We'd have some really gorgeous vintage champagne to start, I think. Oh, champagne. Yeah, just as, you know, with the canapes. and then I would oh it's hard because I do love a gin and tonic and wine doesn't make me very happy you know it makes me go to sleep and it makes me feel kind of, it didn't used to so as much as I like the idea and I love watching it be poured for other people I probably won't be Gabby's got to work through it it gets better at the other end let me tell you you might go through that period and then you'll come at the other end When I go, especially when you're away in the sunshine and the first rosé of the season's open, of course I want a glass of rosé.

47:45Of course I'd like a nice chilled sauvignon. Why does Mugi ever drink rosé in the winter? Because we drink white wine. I've got a friend who does, and we always have to, in the middle of winter, we could be doing the most wintery meal ever and we have to bring out the rosé. The weird thing about rosé is, though, people do like to show off a bit with wine, don't they? And you can't show off with rosé. It's kind of all the same, isn't it? Yeah, Whispering Angel. Yeah, but there's not much variation, is there, between you know the low end and the high end is about five pounds whereas with red wine people do like that kind of oh yeah and it's like a 90 pound bottle of wine i don't know i think there's something in that that it's quite democratic rosie i would love to know your nostalgic taste or smell something that can transport you back somewhere so i made for the first time i walked in it was the first cold day we had this year and i'd gone into my supermarket of choice and all the root vegetables were in the entrance and I thought I'm going to make a stew because my mum would make a stew at this time and there was always a stew on the agar she always had an agar and I've never made a stew I oh I make lots of soups I make chowders but I've never made a stew so I made this stew almost exactly how I remembered my mum making it and it was so nostalgic that like the bowl of stew just took me right back to coming in from sport and everybody pouring them you know ladling themselves up a bowl and sitting in the table and getting some bread and kind of it just had that real throwback to childhood wow oh no mary berry yeah hello yeah it's not good i look how did you do this in such kind of secret stealth like movement is this selfie i'm like clattering wait till you hear me eat it oh yeah right okay mum you do that bit did you get did Did you grow up like being taught how to make this?

49:31No. And by the way, the pastry is shop bought. So don't be too impressed. But no, my mum like battered me out of the kitchen. Do you want a big size? I love a slither. I love a slither. Yeah. Gabby Logan, thanks so much for coming on. We are so happy to have had you. We're happy to have had Secret Santa with you. Thank you so much to delivering. Thank you for my gorgeous, beautiful gifts. Well, they're all from Waitrose, my gifts. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. They're really lovely. it's such an honour to meet you when I was a 16 year old and wanted to be a football journalist I just looked at you and was just like this is actually possible and you were amazing you were such an inspiration I mean I'm doing something slightly different now I don't think it's gone too bad though we're doing okay but I still think you have a frigging cool job and you are amazing and it's so lovely to chat to people who are obviously so passionate about their football club as well and not negative about Manchester United Could have been so different three weeks ago, couldn't it?

50:30It would have been negative.

50:47She's got to be one of my favourite guests. Absolutely. Could have had her here for hours. Great, that makes sense. Thank you so much to Delivery for making today's episode happen. we've wanted Gabby for so long and I'm sure as they've done today they'll be making amazing gifting moments happen all over the country this Christmas so if you're in need of a present at a moment's notice just open up the Deliveroo app where you'll find an amazing selection of gifts that can arrive at your door in as little as 25 minutes get gifts fast from the shops you love with Deliveroo subject to availability geographical restrictions service, delivery fees and full terms apply.

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