Dannii Minogue

0:03Hello and welcome to Tablemasters. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm sat here in Clapham on a Saturday morning well late morning and we have a sibling of a past guest I was thinking about that because it's been sibling day why? I think it was sibling day this week I don't really like all those shitty things it doesn't matter it was chip pea day on Thursday I think we should also seeing as there's some other anniversaries big muzzles to Yotam Ottolenghi for 20 years of Ottolenghi the amount of recipes that we have all done He's changed everyone's life. Changed our lives. The way we eat. I mean... Never heard of Zatar.

0:42No, so thank you. Sumac. Ottolenghi for all that you do for our larders and our cupboards. He's changed everyone's life and he's made vegetables sexy. Oh, yeah. Anyway, speaking of somebody who likes sexy vegetables, we have a former vegan, pescatarian, on the podcast today. She is a bit of a trailblazer. She has a new TV show coming out on BBC Three, the first ever gay dating show. It's going to be called I Kissed a Boy. She is Australian royalty. She has been on our screens being a judge, being a brilliant judge on X Factor. She's basically done a bit of everything, hasn't she? She's a big musician.

1:25She's a bit of a polymath, isn't she? A polymath. We have Danny Minogue coming for lunch on this Saturday. She's flown in from Australia. Who knows how tired she's going to be? She's obviously over for promo for celebrating Neon Nights, 20 year anniversary. And I wonder if she was eating loads of Ottolenghi when the album came out. And this new TV show on BBC Three. You are cooking. We only had one thing that she was pescatarian. So what have you decided to do today, mum? I've done actually a recipe from a Honey and Co cookbook. Was it Honey and Smoke? Honey and Smoke. Well, it's their barbecue cookbook.

2:03Yeah. But I haven't got my barbecue going yet. Or were you supposed to barbecue it? It said you didn't have to, you could griddle it. Right. But you could barbecue it. So come on, tell me. So I've made salmon that you dip in fennel seeds. Yeah, anything else? No, fennel seeds, pepper and salt. I've never done salmon with fennel seeds. Well, I think it will work. And then it's got a sauce, which doesn't really look like a sauce. It looks more like a topping, which is egg and dill and Dijon mustard and little spring onions. So like a sexy egg mayo? It looks like egg mayonnaise. I mean, it said greatly, it told you exactly the length of time to cook the eggs.

2:45So it was seven minutes. So it's kind of a bit jammy. I don't know. Were they jammy? No. I thought it would be kind of wet. But anyway, we'll see what it's like. and I've done some little new potatoes with lemon zest and grainy mustard. I've done a kind of, I call it winter slaw, but it's kind of, so it's carrot, cabbage, fennel, celery, spring onions, radishes. Okay, a lot going on there. All mixed together with lemon and... Any vinegar? No, I just did lemon juice and a tiny bit of mayonnaise. Okay, so it's quite dry. Quite dry, like coleslaw with more bits in and then just some little gem lettuce leaves with herbs and then lovely then fresh light yeah so then you know i like to now i can make panna cotta i like to make it so i found a recipe for a greek yogurt panna cotta and it's got orange zest in it and then you serve it with griddled nectarines yeah i promise you i will do more cooking actually i I don't promise you, but I will endeavour.

3:54As long as I don't have to cook in your house, I'm fine. All right, but it's a big week for me. Album's coming out and I am being pulled left, right and second. Yeah, I can see that. That's why I've tried to take the pressure off you, darling. I appreciate you. Yeah. Can't wait. Danny Minogue on Table Minogue.

4:15You're here. I know. You've come with loads of gifts. You are so sweet. You are jet lagged. Yeah, I've been up. since four yeah it came in from australia a couple of days ago and uh it's so bizarre being back here i just like went past my old hood so i used to live in battersea oh yeah so i went along the embankment battersea park was my favorite place do you miss it um it's i can't imagine living here now what but when i lived here i couldn't imagine leaving so do you want some jazz yes i do yes Yes, she does. I do. A smidge. Thank you. So up until seven years, I felt like I'm just here, I'm leaving, I'm leaving.

5:00And after seven years, it was that, oh, I live here. And then I was here 22 years. Yeah, what made you go back? Having a child, wanting to be near my family. So Ethan's 12 now. So I just started, yeah, going back home. and I just wanted that pod feeling of you know I didn't know what the hell I was doing so I just wanted to be near mom yeah yeah tell us about time in Battersea in London what was kind of some of your memorable food moments where did you used to go and eat did you have well I had the most lovely neighbor she was the most important to me she was a lot older than I was and I used to always volunteer to we're on the ninth floor I'd get out and clean the windows and she's like this is bizarre you're on like x factor and then you're cleaning my windows and I'm like I'm cleaning mine I'm gonna come and clean yours and she had keys to my place and I'd get back from x factor at say one o 'clock in the morning sometimes and she put a little tray in my fridge with a glass of wine poured sandwiches beautifully made she loved cooking and when her husband passed away who I was also very good friends with, she adopted me.

6:18She had no kids or grandkids. And so her and I had this thing, we'd love to share champagne and just look out at the view of London. And it could be any time of day or any day. And we'd just pop champagne and just be fabulous. And she had a mink coat. And I'd say, go and get the mink coat. Put it on. Put it on. We're drinking champagne. What was her name? Celebrating nothing, Jo. Is she still around? Yes, she is. oh that sounds fabulous yes she doesn't remember me though anymore now yes but cheers to Jo she always loved a great show and cheers to you for cleaning your own windows when you're a big primetime telly star oh my god well if you knew our whole family we're just so daggy like that we do it's just like doing normal things that we just love did you live in one of the mansion blocks then I was in like the first tall building that was in Battersea near where the helicopters would land and it was right behind the old Price's Candle Factory.

7:24Now there's big buildings all along there. Oh, they're gorgeous around there. Yeah. Had a great view. Needed to see the water because I just... It's so different living here. It's so enclosed and Australia's just so wide and vast. Have you been to Australia, Lenny? No, but I might, no It's really popular Let's get you out there Do you know you've got so many fans out there I know, it's really popular Jessie's going soon, aren't you? Yeah, we should have saved But you need to go as well They love you out there Well, she'll find a way Let's set you up some podcasts to do that Yeah, if you can put us in touch with some of your mates I will We only know one Australian, Russell Crowe, I think Well, and Nicole and your sister Maybe we could get you back on, actually Well, they're often away But we'll set a schedule okay this is great they love you like all my friends listen so hi oh really hi whoever's listening all over the world that's a good g'day thank you thanks so much I'm actually I'm going to Australia in September November for this festival called Summer Camp yeah I love the new songs by the way thank you cannot wait for the album to drop thank you I'm listening to them and it's great because I know what the album's gonna be but I'm getting frustrated because I don't know the rest of it I love you you're so sweet do you feel I kind of feel because I have this I mean I keep it going relationship with your wonderful sister I now kind of feel like you're like my cousin or my other sister this is fabulous I feel like I know you as well through Kylie but we also watched you on our screens you've been a pop star you are you've been everything see I forget that I'm just thinking oh you know me through knowing Kylie so No, you are the best judge.

9:12The best judge ever. Oh, my God. Did you find it easy? I felt like it was the weirdest thing because it wasn't something I thought, oh, that's something I want to do. When I was asked to do it, I thought, this is bizarre. What am I doing? I don't know how to do this at all. And once I learnt what to do and eased into it, I just thought I really want to find my own way. I'm not copycatting anything. Like you, you learn the nuts and bolts. And then I thought, I just want to be me. I want to lead with my heart. I want this to be real. And, you know, just connect with people. You did have warmth. That's what you did.

10:02You were constructive. It wasn't like you were just like, I laughed at it. But you were, there was a warmth about how you did it. Yeah, I'm a bit – well, it's just – that was the truth. It's just being me. I'm kind of like tough love and, you know, all my contestants know, like, I'll say it how it is, but I'm here to mother you. And that's when I first – I never thought of being a mum. It was through that experience of this mentoring that I thought, I love this. I love putting energy into someone and seeing them blossom. It was – and who would have thought – like, I never thought I'd be in that job.

10:38I never thought that would unlock that feeling for me. And here I am a mum and I just, I love it. Who was your favourite contestant? To speak about your children like this. Was Ryland your... No, I was gone before that. But look, I'm friends with a lot of them. On the last trip when I came around September last year, I went to see Lucy Jones in Wicked. She's finished in that now and she's incredible. And when she got the job, she'd been trying to get that lead role for 10 years of Alphaba. And she messaged me in Australia and she said, you're the first person I want to tell. So we, you know, we go deep and they know that I'm always there.

11:26And yeah, a lot of them I'm friends with. Well, let's start at the beginning. So this is a food podcast, as you know. love food great all of my friends know they will be laughing their heads off going she loves food she loves cooking she loves eating i do love that you've gone to like your favorite deli in chiswick and brought like i'm i'm already sold that you love eating i had more time but yeah the italians it's a cool place where i go to with my friend that's near where i'm staying and near where i'm working and um yeah I love food so when you were younger did you love food I did and what was a memorable dish from your childhood growing up if mum had to work at night and you know rarely we had a babysitter she would kind of let us eat whatever we wanted and I used to love getting mashed potato and just tomato sauce like squeezing it all over and you just do everything that you can do when mum was there um and I always thought mum's a really crap cook and put me off eating meat at 13 I never ate meat again and she's the best cook and now I get it being a mum like school night dinners are just stressful it's got to be on time and you know and I like I think I have an Italian mother trapped inside me I like cooking for a lot of people and I like overfeeding you you know and i but i like time i put music on and candles that's that's what you said but you said today now jesse's really stressed at the minute it's just because the album's coming out promo week but it's fine but she just said all i want to do is go home and cook it's my way of like it's an outlet and it's creative yeah and i'm sure your cooking changes when you're in the writing process to when you're in promo mode i've never even thought about yeah yeah because that creativity thing i find it's always so different i do i have to say i did roast a radiccio for the first time this week maybe i'm longing for a bit more creativity in the kitchen because i'm so sick of talking about my bloody self you know that promo bit yeah tell me about you i want to know about school night dinners with ethan i want to know is he inviting all his mates around he eats meat i don't know what to cook so my boyfriend's great he likes american cooking so he'll get on a smoker out the back and do eight 12 hour meats i wish i could eat them the smell is amazing if there's a barbecue or a smoker or anything nearby i'll be standing next to it the only vegetarian just going i know like i and the smell of bacon and all that i love it but i just don't eat it you don't get to enjoy you've enjoyed this the aroma for 12 hours but you don't actually eat it no but I like the look of it I like um I can order for other people on a menu like I'll know when it's right when did you stop eating meat I was 13 I think mum you know having three kids she was driving me around to lots of rehearsals because I was working full-time then and there were no tutors or drivers or anything you started working when you were eight I started at seven I was full time from 10 and mum was basically my uber and so doing that and three kids and cooking meals that's why I thought she was a bad cook and there was a lot a lot of meat that I think was quite overcooked and quite tough and um I it it put me off I'm sad to say because uh my son and My boyfriend, I've just been at her place today and they've had shank.

15:10Oh, my gosh. Slow roast some lamb shanks. She's from Wales. She loves lamb. Lamb, lamb, lamb. Me too. It's my favourite. You always give her lamb. And in Australia you get, like from New Zealand, good lambs. Though I know all about it. I just don't eat it. You're just not, you're not tempted? No. Because probably when she puts it in her mouth, she wouldn't like it. It's the texture. Yeah. Yeah. Even if fish is veering towards that texture like a swordfish, I'm like, mmm. Can you eat salmon? Yes. Okay, thank God for that. Oh, God, I was worried for a sec. Great, fine, good, fine. Oh, my God, you've got more things to panic about than me eating salmon.

15:53So then does Ethan eat meat, you cook it, but what would be something that you could whip up for the kids after school? Jessie. trying to get tips yeah i'm trying to get ideas because we're on like fish fingers and beans at the moment i'm crap at that kind of cooking but a few mum friends said have you got an air fryer and i'm like no what do i do with an air fryer wonder about this have you got one now yes i do and there are a few things i've learned and that's easy and you can put in a bit of salmon and for fries i'm just the best thing on the planet jesse we've got to get one you can either you know cut them fresh or you're getting them straight from out the freezer put them in yeah Yep.

16:34Life changing ladies. I've heard you talk about the air fryer on the podcast before and I'm like, have they got one yet? No, we haven't. No, you need one. So it takes up bench space. Yeah, that's the only thing. I have a little butler's pantry and it's got its own space. Everything has to move away because you need airflow around it. But, oh my God, amazing. And good for just kids things. It's quick as well, isn't it? Yeah. Everybody who goes to Australia says that the food is sensational. But I don't know of any famous Australian chefs. Who are the big chefs? Oh, my God. This is a whole podcast series.

17:11We're getting into Australia, and I think you need to interview the chefs. Maybe you start with Neil Perry. You go there. What's his restaurant called? Is this in Sydney? Neil Perry. So Rockpool is his favourite one. He has it in Sydney and Melbourne, maybe some other cities as well. But Kylie and I go there a lot. That's like, you know, a place where we will go as a family or hang out. Is it fine dining or is it kind of more relaxed? He's very into the ingredients. So when he first opened, the menu on the meat was where did it come from, what was it fed and who was the farmer. And you go from there.

17:54and all of the ingredients and all the waiters know exactly everything. It's not like you say, oh, does that have tomato in it? And they go, oh, I don't know. I'll go and find out. They'll tell you where the tomato came from. Okay. So it's very ingredient-led. Can we do a food tour of Australia with you two? I'd love it. Maybe we should do it together. I'm writing all this. I'm going to send you different chefs and places. Oh, my God. You've got to go to Icebergs in Bondi Beach. I've seen that. It looks stunning. You have to go this next trip. Okay, fine. But Jessie, you said Melbourne is good.

18:31I ate very well in St Kilda. Okay, yeah. I don't know St Kilda so well. I don't go down that way. Are you from Sydney? No, I'm from Melbourne. Yeah, that's what I think. But that's the other side of town. Neighbours was done in Melbourne. Not that you were in Melbourne. But Neighbours was Melbourne, right? It was that... Yeah. Where do your family live? Sydney now? No, we're all Melbourne. Melbourne still. But do you live in Melbourne? I did Home and Away, which was Sydney based. So Summer Bay is up at Palm Beach. Yeah, I had to move out of home. So it was weird. How old were you? 17. I'd never lived out of home.

19:02I didn't have a driver's licence or a car. I had to get my licence, a car, find somewhere to live and work out how to get around Sydney. This is pre-Sat Nav, kids. Yeah, right. I had a Gregory's, it's called there. Like in Melbourne, it's a Melway's. Get the big book and you've got to map it out and just know where you're going. What was the car you were driving? I can't remember what car I had. Why am I imagining you like in a truck with a surfboard in the back? I don't surf and I don't drive trucks, but I love a ute. That only came way later because Dad's really into cars. What's it called? A ute?

19:36A ute. A ute. In America, it's a pickup truck. A ute. So you're driving the front and then it's flat at the back and you can throw things in. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of you. That's what Jonah has. Yeah, if you come to our farm, I could drive you there in the Ute. I want to hear about the family farm. Are you growing produce? Are you rearing cattle? We have cattle and mum grows a lot of fruit and veggies. We just did a harvest of passion fruit before I left. Oh, come on. She's done garlic before, which is just so different from what you get in the stores. When did this happen? You haven't always lived on a farm, have you?

20:15No. No, we don't. Like, we live there part-time. So we're part-time farmers. So is that like our version of having, like, the country house here? Yeah. But you're just, like, being put to work in the fields, doing the... Or not. Just patting the cows. We do have a manager who works with the cattle. I wouldn't know what... I mean, I wouldn't know what to do. She's a super glamorous woman. But I'm just... It's a dungaree song. But we're not at the farm. I wouldn't put it past her, to be honest. So the minute we step on the farm, Carly and I have clothes there that are old. They've got holes in them.

20:50We won't let go of them. We look homeless. And that feels so good after the lashes, the makeup, the heels and hair, which we love, but it's that balance. And it goes, because it's so extreme what we do on stage, it goes low. I mean, you're welcome to come and have a look. It's Ugg boots. They're the only things you're allowed to wear. They've got compassion now. Ugg boots or flip-flops, that's it. Danny do you get on when you were little did you get on really well with Kylie most of the time because Jesse and Hannah they used to fight a lot in fact Hannah the front tooth's fake because my sister oh my in the bath when you were how old were you seven the front tooth had just come through and now I'm looking at my daughters that fell out yesterday like she's six and so it's just falling out and I'm just thinking hold on to that girl because you never know your brother may come and fucking knock it out in about a year oh that's brutal no nothing like that just you and kylie or are there there's a brother there's a brother so kylie's the eldest they're my brother and then i'm the little baby but we're kind of just over three years apart so and you all get on well we do we do i mean we did fight yeah i think you have to think that's how you learn like because my son's an only child like i remember when he first socialized you know started socializing at school he's like mommy why why would people be mean i'm like oh it's kind of hard to you learn that from your brothers and you learn how to defend yourself you learn you know to sense when something's coming whereas ethan rocked up at school and it's like whoa didn't see that coming at all like so he's you know took him a long while to get it what do lots of australian kids i mean like in the states everyone has hot dogs or hamburgers or melted cheese sandwich what what would be the kind of thing that australian kids school food yeah that's good sandwiches dim sum dim sum sushi how oh you salads indian curries like we are so multicultural that the cafes have embraced that when i grew up it was full-on aussie meat pies sandwiches sunny boys which is this frozen triangular shape sunny boys big m milk they don't have that anymore um like just flavored sunny boys it's like a frozen pyramid of sort of orange flavored something but like you know we have hot days there at school so it could be 40 degrees and above and it's hot so you have this frozen block it melts pretty quickly but that just really cools you down at lunchtime so that's quite important for our you know whereas in colder climates important to have a warm meal to warm you up but we have everything um at school there like it i think it you know represents a lot of the kids that are there i mean you know you've got to keep it tight at some point to what you can serve but i would have loved that i remember now that danny said i'm starving when she walks in should we eat yes um i've got to have a photo of this okay um i don't know you know what so so there's a really great restaurant here um called honey and co and um and i think this is a recipe from them but they're wonderful this is an egg and dill sauce for the top of that.

24:21But whether it works, I just don't know. And then the salmon has fennel seeds on it. And what else, Mum? I'm going to get that out of the way. And then this is just a herb salad. That's like the winter slaw here. It's got a zillion things in it. Bon appetite. I'm literally just digging in. Thank you. And enjoy. But yeah, so this is kind of like an egg mayo. It's like egg with dill. and I don't know that it's an egg and dill drink. Well, salmon and egg goes well together, doesn't it? It's an odd one, I think. Yeah, but why did you decide to do it? Because I just thought, I like honey and co. It's really good, Mum.

25:01Yeah, I'll have the recipe for that. Thank you. So if you were going to have us over, when we come over and we do this food tour with you, when we come to yours, what would you be cooking for us, Danny, Manoe? We can cook at the farm, we can cook at the house, we'll go to restaurants. so my well what i used to always cook in london was risotto so my friends used to always request that so i'd cook up risotto and then i'd get little containers and they'd all have little take-home packs because i'm the feeder um if i'm cooking for you in australia i my favorite to do is like a japanese tuna that's seared so i get sashimi grade tuna and then i just make up this marinade of soy sauce wasabi and seven spice like it's this japanese thing it's kind of like got a chili zing to it um and i have to go to the japanese store to get that it's not something you get in the supermarket so just mix all of that together and you can make it as spicy as you want depending on how much wasabi and seven spice you're putting in marinade that for you know half an hour or a couple of hours whatever you want and then just bring it to room temperature sear it i can do it in the pan but i would prefer to do it on the barbecue so you get that real barbecue flavor

26:27see i think this egg works i do too it is it's really yummy so you're here yeah not just to have lunch with us i'm here i'm queer well let's go into that exciting i kissed a boy bbc3 you're the host you're the mother i'm the cupid i always wanted to be tell us about this it's a it's a new dating show tell us more well i think the the most incredible thing not just all the details of what i can tell you about the show and it was filmed in italy amazing like if you get a job like that It's like, this is going to be filmed in Italy and, you know, Prosecco and gorgeous food and turn up in a couture frock.

27:13Is that where it's been filmed? Yeah, we did it last year. Probably the postman. I'm right there. Do you want me to get it? Yeah, I'm right there. Imagine. Hiya! You have a heart attack. So, the craziest thing is that this is 2023 and, like, this will be a timestamp moment for this podcast. it's 2023 and we're sitting here going currently there's never been a gay dating show on uk tv it's true i find that mind-blowing when it comes out of my mouth i'm like no you know seriously but no there hasn't been one so it's a first and it's like hopefully the door opens and then you know anything could happen from there then possibilities begin but someone has to you know really do it and get it done and i think there's because it hasn't been done for so long everyone's nervous what do you do are you going to do it the right way is everyone going to like it you know and we still have all of those you know are people gonna like it it's all boys right um um are we allowed to talk about the first thing that they have to do The first thing that they're invited to do, and they don't have to do it, is they have been matched with someone.

28:35You know, these are people who you think about the millions of people across the UK that are looking for someone to be with, for someone to love. So that's where we're starting off. This isn't a hookup. They're looking for someone to be with. You can keep swiping, keep swiping, get exhausted and just go, well, that's not working. um so there are a team of people they're doing extensive interviews and ask you what you like and what you want and what you don't want and what what are the you know like proper matchmakers yeah yeah so you are in like the most incredible scenario you've been flown to italy and somebody has been paired with you how that works out we don't know like we're following the journey but But, gosh, at least start off.

29:23I mean, aren't you in a better position than just swiping and going, oh, you know, he wasn't this tall or had that job or whatever, like he said he was going to do. It's quite an old-fashioned way of doing it, actually. This is like, you know, being at the dirty disco and you see someone, you go, oh, I like them, I want to kiss them. You have a passion. And then you're like, okay, where are you from? And that's sort of exactly how it starts. Like, okay, tell me about you. Sweet. You have a passion, though, don't you? A passion. I love that. You can. So you never know, like, are they going to kiss or aren't they going to kiss?

29:56Did you see any really passionate pashes? And did you feel a bit like, maybe I shouldn't be in the room when this is happening? Yeah, which is great. And that, you know, and that used to happen at the nightclub. And you'd be like, okay, there's two people pashing over there. And that's cool. They're into it. And I like that. So the show's out in a week. Yes. On May the 14th. Are there some happy endings? Wait, wait. By happy endings. I mean romantic happy endings. People find love. That's the plan. But I can't give anything away. You'll have to watch, Danny. Now, quite selfishly, Danny, I'm about to be in a semi-similar position to you, and I need some tips.

30:41You are one of the best judges, hosts out there. I'm about to go and do a Mamma Mia TV show where I'm a mentor. Yep. Set in Greece. so I'm going to get a really nice bass tan for the summer. It's trying to find the new musical star for the Mamma Mia West End show and I feel very, very privileged and lucky to be able to be a mentor for people. Any tips? You'll love it. Any tips though because you really were brilliant and are brilliant. You've just got to be you. You've got to just go in there as you and not overthink it at all. Just be honest, be real. and that's all you can do and it's the wanting it for them.

31:26If you really want to see other people get this job that they want so badly, it is so easy. Yes, they want to do this and I want to help them. I've had all of these amazing things that I've been able to do and I remember wanting it so badly and now I can, you know, help someone else get that. If you want that, it's super easy because you're just for you. Okay. Thank you. But you are going to be kind. Of course I'm going to be kind. Oh, my God. Do you remember in the old days when people say, that was a little pitchy or you were out of tune or, yeah, but people don't say that anymore. I think you're allowed to say if it was a bit pitchy, aren't you?

32:13Yes. It's kind of constructive. Yeah. The funny thing was some of the people who were saying it didn't even know what pitchy meant. But did you ever see people and you thought, what in God's name did they ever think that they could sing? Yeah. It's so amazing. It was a different time where they were allowed to... Have a go. Well, they had people that were slightly deluded and they do that as entertainment in X Factor. I think it's changed a bit, but you know what I mean? It was a time where some of the people that maybe shouldn't be going on a talent show were put on as entertainment. I'm sure that was quite hard for you as a judge to watch that.

32:49Yeah, I mean, they gave everyone a go. And there's a cross-section of people and everyone who turned up to that door wanted it and was sure they were good enough. Okay. Now, whether they are or not is for us to say. but you let them through the door that was the difference of it being you know like a theater casting where you'd come from agents and stuff this is open to anyone and I kind of applaud that because that's what it was like if you want to do this come and give it a go however you do you do see people I remember the wildest one was actually in Australia doing X Factor there and we were in like a big arena venue for the auditions and this person came on and they were singing so out of tune that everyone was laughing and then at the end the performer was like so tell me like is it great and I'm and I said do you think that you maybe you're hearing something different to what everyone else is hearing like just to try and just open the door um but no they didn't they didn't they thought they were great yeah yeah i think the way that you just said that though is really like brilliant you're right yeah i guess if they want to have a go i guess sometimes they're going to keep going through life forever thinking that they're great so they have that opportunity they walk through the door and they go okay someone told me i'm not but sometimes it doesn't stack up against the amount of times that they've been told that they're brilliant so they're like we've had people say to us like you four are dummies come out of here and we're like good luck with that i mean you know it's it is what it is so so um are you excited i i am excited i am i'm so excited i'm excited for the opportunity i'm excited to hear some amazing talent yeah you'll know and the thing is like it doesn't have to be perfect at that stage no but if you get the goosebumps you get something yeah if somebody really wants it and they're willing to work and its attitude is 50 of it okay yeah i've seen people with like the most amazing voices across everything and i know that they will never be able to work with anyone and you know therefore they're never going to have a career you have to work with other people to have a career otherwise go busk very good point thank you danny would you like to come to greece with me for a month yeah you can have like a little ear

35:32what do you miss about being in europe because it's a long way melbourne isn't it yeah i do love i've always loved the fashion the music that sense of the buzz you know of what is possible particularly London has always had like such a big fashion background and then we grew up on um a lot of British music and um we loved British comedies oh my god we love British comedies so yeah so what we have happened with the ABC out in Australia and they would play uh well going back to like Fawlty Towers the Young ones I remember Fawlty Towers I don't really watch I feel like I got into comedies when it was Birds of a Feather and Ab Fab like British ones you watched Friends we watched Friends it was on like British I used to watch Heartbreak High that was my thing Home and Away so are you going to go to the Neighbors set or Home and Away Beach, like to Summer Bay.

36:40I feel like it would kind of be rude not to, but I mean, I'd almost prefer to go to the restaurants. So they've rebooted Neighbours now. So it's English and now... I know. How did they do that? Is it Amazon or Netflix? Someone's doing Amazon. But how can they get everyone to do a farewell episode and now they've rebooted it? Well, no one knew that it was going... No, no. It was very sad. So Kylie went out and did the last episode and going back to Ramsey Street. With Jason. Yeah, with Jason. It was amazing. And his father was a part of that. So it was sad. There was a lot going on in everyone's hearts and minds for that.

37:23No one knew. Are they going to change it? It's not going to be on Ramsey Street now? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure about this reboot. Oh, God, I'd definitely tune in. I'd definitely. Would you? Oh, yes. I'd have a... Did you know Jason? Did he come round to your house? I imagine because he was going out with Kylie. Yeah, they were dating, so... Were they dating? That's her boyfriend. In real life? Oh, my God, Mum. I didn't realise. Fucking hell. God, I didn't realise, darling. I need to know. We only got up to the slow-cooked meats. I need to know if you're a pudding person. Not really.

38:00Not really. I do... Would you have cheese? You brought cheese over. Yeah. and salty olives you're savory savory salty what are these new chips you've been talking about what new chips the salt and vinegar you were talking about there's a salt and vinegar chip you said this is oh you get them in the theatre this the Yorkshire they're only in the theatre salt and vinegar Chris if you're in Soho this week I don't know you're doing a performance at GAY this week they're the very hard crunchy ones they are phenomenal blow your face off like we're having wasabi where you're like ah yeah no I Oh, if I'd known, I would have found it.

38:35I would have gone to West End and got you. It's all very well talking after the event, darling. They are phenomenal. Yeah, I've got to try them. When were you at the theatre? I also like the co-op ones. I think they're so salty because they want you to order more drinks, right? No, it's the vinegar in it. The vinegar in it. That's what smacks you. Yeah. Yeah, but probably. You're right. Those aren't my favourite salt and vinegar. What would be yours? Cheese and onion. Oh, no, no, no. Anti-social. Lovely. Absolutely not. She doesn't care. So you wouldn't, so you, listen, we do have a pudding for you.

39:07Yes, look, I mean, I... You only have to have a little taste. Yeah, I'll taste things that I don't mind. I'm just not, I'm not a big sugar person, but... Neither am I. This isn't very sugary, actually. So then would you, would you, after Friends would be around, what would you have as your end? Would you have a cheese plate? It gets to that point and I'm like, oh shit, I've... Oh really? I completely forget that other... Other people love sweet things. Yeah, that's me. What's a very popular pudding in Australia? What is it? Not pavlova. Pavlova's. Yeah. Big. Yeah, for like Christmas and kind of special events.

39:46That would be the main thing. That's the main thing. If you were having a gathering, yeah. Yeah. So on Christmas Day. Christmas Day, I do like, there's a recipe that I've got. I'll find it somewhere on my computer. and it's like a Christmas pudding, which can be, you know, kind of heavy after you've been out eating and eating and eating because I'll go back for seconds and thirds. Yeah. It's like the flavour of a Christmas pudding but in ice cream. Oh, I love that. Oh, that's a good thing. I love that. Yeah, and because it's hot for us for Christmas. And you're making that yourself? Yeah, I've made that.

40:19Yeah, loads of like cinnamon, nutmeg. You've got, you know, allspice, dried fruits, little chips of chocolate. I don't know about this dating program. I think you should have your own bloody cook show. Now, can I ask you, this is a serious question. Do you love leftovers? Yes. Okay. Because there are people who love and people who won't touch them. Do you love them? But I think it's a very... I'm taking a little goody bag. I love leftovers. I think it's a particular kind of leftover. Some I just can't do again. Yeah. But my husband's weird about freezing things. not eating things that have been frozen i'm like that's mad so i can have a beautiful food food that i've frozen it's fresh as anything when you do it again yeah and he's weird about that but then it's done right and because my boyfriend would do the smoke stuff it's like you know when do you have that day when you've got eight 14 hours to do it so you'll do a lot and then we do that i don't know what you call it where you vac pack it like oh wow yeah and then freeze it and And then we'll make some for my brother and drop it around for my sister and my mum and dad.

41:29I'm going, here's your little pack. I need to get into bloody vac packing. Yeah, I don't know the proper name for it. Do you have to have another bloody gadget to go and... But it's so small. It's only this big. It's like the size of cling film. I had to think of the British word, glad wrap, cling film. All my Australian friends will be like, what the hell is she? They will be texting me, what is cling film? Oh, really? We don't know what cling film is. What do you call it? Glad wrap. Glad wrap? Glad wrap. Why is it called glad? G'day. You're glad that you... How you going? Glad wrap. Should be right.

42:03I mean, like, I don't know. It's glad wrap. It's like flip-flops are thongs, but they're not thongs here. So I have to just sometimes, if I'm about to say a word, just stop and... Glad wrap. Okay. Realign. Don't say thongs. I mean, to be fair, cling film. I mean, glad wrap, cling film, what do I prefer? Look, we'll educate you when you both get there. I'm really excited about this. I feel like you're going to really host us. I will. And educate. I'll set out a roadmap and stuff. So your last supper, what would it be? You've got a starter main pud, drink of choice. And who would be at that dinner table?

42:41Look, I'd want my mum to cook because she honestly is. She's a starter cook. She felt bad about saying she was a shit cook from when she was younger. That's just mum cooking. Now I get it. You learn everything as you grow up and then you're like, okay, now I understand my parents. Yeah, be something cooked by mum. She does these amazing, it's a bit of a seafood whatever's coming fresh from the garden. Yeah. So normally some salmon, maybe a mix of like a bit of a marinara, even though I don't eat meat she'll do a half chicken half seafood stock I like making my own shell food stock so I make it I take it to her place and then I ask her to make this seafood thing and she'll get like silver beet from the garden and dill and just you know what's silver beet like a beetroot no like a chard I don't know what you call it here Like a rainbow child?

43:44Like it's more than a spinach with like charades here with the big white bit up the middle that you slice out. Silver beet. See, we'd have, you know. I've never heard of silver beet. Aubergine we call eggplant. It's like, it's the translation. I don't know what the translation. No, no, it's not an Asian green. Okay. I'll have to work it out. Silver beet. I'm going to look it up. Fine. So you'd have silver beet. How would that be served? You have a bit of lingo by the time you get there. like you know and did you try vegemite by the way i actually for all my rinsing it over the years i really like it yeah i do like it i love marmite but i love that in fancy delis you can get vegemite like it's like really high cuisine yeah do they do it with cheese and butter i mean toasted well i mean no i mean you can get the jar oh the jar right right right yeah um yeah i mean you've gotta have vegemite or marmite with cheese and butter yeah and peanut butter trust me what i've never heard of this just spread some peanut butter vegemite and peanut butter you know that's a whole thing here now we've got marmite and peanut butter in a jar no whoa oh my god do you not like i've never heard of it i love peanuts i love peanut butter till you tried it daddy minogue thank you very much i guess you salt peanuts it's got creaminess you might is salty so think about it's gonna take me a while to get my head around trust me thank you it may change your life and ethan's life with a sharp cheddar grated over so it doesn't need to be melted the cheddar right toast vegemite peanut butter cheese okay so the peanut butter would be the fats and the oil So normally we'd do avo, vegemite, butter and bread.

45:35Yeah, lovely. And cheese. Just add a bit of peanut butter. So the peanut butter is taking over the place of the oils of the avocado. And the creaminess. Yeah, avo is creamy. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You give it to Ethan and his mates after school as a little snack, you're going to be like star mum. I tell you, Ethan and I have to hide just when we're having Vegemite and cheese and butter because my boyfriend cannot stand the smell of Vegemite. That makes me not trust him a little bit. We don't have it when he's around. So it's normally if we're like, if I take him to a gig or something, we get home late and it's like a late night thing.

46:10And it's like, you know, we'll wait till Adrian is just like heading off and then we'll be like, a bit hungry, are you? Yeah, it's a bit hungry. Yeah, late night snack. Okay, just you and me, let's go. Yeah. Oh mum, this is really nice Delicate This is delicious What is the green bit? The cream bit No, like the herb or something Oh, is that a herb? There's jelly Lemon No, orange Orange is grated in it Into what, the panna cotta? Yeah, orange rind in the panna cotta Orange zest And then the top is vanilla and just sugar and they're just gridlock. This is beautiful. This is not too sweet for me.

46:56It's not too sweet, is it? Yes. I need to ask you about Neon Nights. You have an anniversary. 20 years. Muscle talk. How are you going to celebrate? Are you going to do some gigs? Well, mostly I've just been focusing on the release with London Records. Who are a brilliant record label to be with. Yeah, the whole thing came about... Pete Tong asked me to sing a vocal on another record. So there was a record out in Ibiza called Stringer, an instrumental that was huge. It was blowing up. He said, we've got a song written to it. Love you to sing it. Would you do it? And I was like, I didn't think I was ever going to be doing this again.

47:36I'm like, I thought someone was messing with me. Oh, yeah, right. Pete Tong's on the phone asking me to sing a vocal. Like, sure, sure. Like, coming from pop music, like, yeah, like, that's going to happen. I really thought I was being, you know. Pranked. Yeah, big time. Oh, Danny. And then the success of that single, it was just a one-off single, led to this album which just became a whole thing and it's so amazing when you get to celebrate it years down the track because you have the time to. Because I know you're on promo now. I'm in it. And you're just going, where do I have to be? What am I wearing?

48:16What have I got to pack? And what am I doing tomorrow and the next three days? And you're like every 24-hour increments. But now I can just enjoy it. So we've got a great release package. I want to do like some signings. I would like to do a listening party. Yes. It would be so good because when you hear every – Oh, a listening party. What's that? So a song for somebody, if a song comes on and you get a full-body reaction to it and it takes you back, like a scent can, like something you eat, something you smell, a song, and it takes you back, particularly music. That obviously means whatever it means to that person.

48:57So people will have these incredible experiences, but to hear your fans tell you what that means to them is insane. She's finished it. Mum, you may have changed Danny Minogue's taste buds, for God's sake. It wasn't too sweet. That is my kind of dessert. I thought it was good. I feel like that could work in the balmy weather of Melbourne. Yeah, and I make my own yogurt at home. Oh, my God. Oh, you're overachieving now, Danny. Yeah, so that's perfect for me. I've always got my, make my yogurt, and that's in the fridge, ready to go. I'm looking at your watch. Is that one of your watches? Your dessert.

49:33Yeah, it's got a little rainbow flag around it. I almost would have it off her wrist. Let me see. Oh, my goodness, darling. How much of your stuff are you wearing right now? Look at that. This is from... Your own fashion brand. My dress is from my Australian label. Yeah. The shoes are from my UK label. That is gorgeous. That's from my UK label. This was a present from... Kathy Lett gave me that. Kylie and I did Mardi Gras at World Pride recently. Yes, it was amazing. And she gave us both. She gave Kylie one and me. It's gorgeous. It's gorgeous. Quartz, and they're different, like, crystals? Yeah, crystals.

50:16And it's a rainbow-coloured crystal. That will keep us sorted. Hasn't been off my wrist. It's gorgeous. Yeah, it's all my stuff. The stuff doesn't fit me. So the reason why I started designing was I'm petite, which just means short. They don't make fashion for short. They make it for tall people, and then you've got to cut everything off. But when you cut it off, it still doesn't look right. It doesn't look right on the body. It makes you look shorter and wider. So if you make clothing for petite that's cut right, you look slimmer, taller, more confident. Like I've got body issues because I would go into shops and nothing would ever fit.

50:49And I'm like, so there's something wrong with me. And it doesn't, that thing that happens in your brain has nothing to do with what dress size you are. I mean, that's clever. You basically couldn't get it in the shop if you made your own label. Her genetics are petite. Your genetics aren't, darling. We're all different, aren't we? We all come in different shapes and sizes. I'm sorry about that. It's okay, mum. How tall are you? I was five foot six and a half. I think you were. Oh my God, you were shrinking, aren't you? Yeah, you shrink. You do. And I asked why you did. It's to do with the gravity compression of your bones and also like your vertebrae mostly.

51:27I think exercising can help. And I think I probably should be on one of those stretching machines. No, stop. You don't want to go upside down. I do feel when I finish a Pilates session, I'm torn up. I'm staying at my friend's place. I set off the alarm this morning. Oh my God, I'm trying to explain. the security are talking through the alarm and i'm going i'm so sorry i haven't guessed you but my friend is overseas he's in bali he's not answering his phone now that the alarm is going off oh my god so yes i would think if i went on one of those upside down things i'd get stuck but probably that's what we need pilates helps i feel taller when i've done it yeah do you need coffee darling would you like an espresso or yeah i've only got espresso yeah all right yeah um i would like my last question would you talked about music being nostalgic and you talked about that moment of it bringing you back and you mentioned taste and scent what would be a taste which could transport you back to somewhere happy or sad or a smell like a scent you know what i do like i do like a drink i like a bubble i like a wine like a wine like sipping on something being with friends partying that just makes me feel like we're celebrating i like that and you know as i said with my my neighbor joe we could be celebrating just we're here today oh so um thank you for being here thank you for taking the time to come for lunch.

52:56It's such a pleasure to meet you. I feel like we've known you forever and you're even better in real life to be honest. Well, I can't wait to come to Australia and have the best album release. It's just going to be so good. Thank you. And congratulations on all your success. You are an entrepreneur. You are a talent. You are the nicest person in show business. I mean, all you Minogs are. Are you going to watch I Kissed a Boy? Of course. Are you going to be like, or are you going to be like your mom's going to think who's not fixed up on the telly she'll fix them up with her son you'll probably be like oh i wouldn't have put those two together yeah do you think that they'll do a female um version of this absolutely yeah has to be i think it's it's just creating that space where we're just opening the door and i think this is a time for Or, you know, you can think whatever you think of the show.

53:50You can judge it, you know, be the couch judge, scream at the TV, love it, hate it, whatever. Just tune in and watch it because this is a first. But it's just opening the door for the possibilities for anything to happen for anyone. And the people that I've spoken to, they're not gay, but their sister is. And, you know, it's just like, you know, what they've been through in their families. I think there's a lot of learning. I thought, okay, I have a lot of gay friends and I was thinking, okay, you know, it'll just be do they get together? But I was learning so much stuff during the show that I came up with my drag queen name while we were on set.

54:33Are you going to tell us? What is that? She's Scottish and I cannot do the accent. Why did you choose Scottish if you can't do the accent? Because of her first name, she's more gay by the day. and I was getting more gay by the day. I was learning a lot. You are going to know stuff that you had no idea about before watching this show. Very good. Will you text me and go, what's the darkroom and what's happening here? It's not. I don't think I do need to. Look, the show, there are things that just come up in conversation and what I love is that they're not explained because this is made for the gay community and it's about time.

55:12Well said, Donnie. I think you must have been really well parented and well mothered. I can't wait for you to meet. Thank you, my parents. You just come across as such a warm, maternal person. And I think you can only get that from experience in a way. So credit to, what's your mum called? Carol. Credit to Carol. Daniel Minogue, thank you for being here. Thank you.

55:48Well, what a gorgeous woman. I know. She just is fabulous and so interesting and does so many different things. I knew I'd like her, but she was... Jessie, she's busier than you. I'm not saying something. She is so lovely and so warm and open and passionate and, like, genuine. I know that sounds really obvious to say. Yeah, she was just lovely. And really good fun. And I can't wait for her to curate a whole itinerary of eating when we go to Australia. I mean, I'm kind of saying we're going to Australia. I don't want to be pushy, but I would quite like to go to Australia. Me too. Yeah. Thank you for listening.

56:35If you fancy celebrating neon nights, go and buy the new reissue, 20-year anniversary, London Records. definitely tune in to BBC3 next week for the start of the new dating show I Kissed a Boy I think it sounds really interesting and brilliant we'll see you next week for another episode of Tate Mammoth