David Baddiel

0:03Hello and welcome to Tobe Manors, I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with Lenny and we've matched again today Well, I think a bit cold, I would say. You look fab, Mum. How are you? Thanks, darling. I'm OK, thank you. So this is coming out in January, but whilst we're filming it, we're midway through Hanukkah and we do have David Baddiel coming on. So it felt only right to give him a latke. Yeah, I mean, Mum, the last time you did a latke was with Loyal Karnat, I think, in series one. Yeah. And you vowed never to do it again. Well, I cooked them on the spot, didn't I? You did. And it was so noisy we had to stop cooking.

0:39Yes. So I've cooked them in advance. Yeah. I've frozen them. Mmm. This is all on advice of about 3 ,000 cooks. Flash freezing. What does flash freezing mean? You freeze them. As soon as they're cool, you put them in and you freeze them as quickly as possible, not in a bag. You put them on one layer, freeze them, and then put them in bags to store them. And then you'd cut them from frozen. and that's the way to avoid sogginess. Whose recipe is this that you're doing? Sivan. Sivan's Kitchen? Yes, Sivan's Kitchen. I love her. And she said to do... Right, so the essence of this is that you get rid of the juice from the onion.

1:21Never thought to do that. But you leave the water from the potatoes, which actually isn't a lot. The onion juice from three onions was nearly a bowl full of juice. So you get rid of that, throw it away, and then you put flour in, not matzo meal or breadcrumbs. And with the starch from the water, it just makes them very, very fluffy. So anyway, they've come out really well. I hope they taste nice. Have you tried one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're delicious. More salt than I would have thought to add. Do you remember when we were in New York and we went to, when we were recording a series there and we went to the Edition Hotel?

1:59Yeah. and we had the in trago who had been a guest on us and i remember having a latke with sour cream and that's what i've got smoked salmon so i've got sour cream smoked salmon a little bit of caviar i've got some apple sauce in case you wanted to go completely american i've also done some salt beef as well in case you fancied that and then because i'm very eclectic and very diverse in my cultures i've got mince pies for afters fab you don't use puff pastry for your mince pies no i made my own pastry oh mom they're very short they're crispy and very thin so um yeah we have david baddiel coming on um who you would know from well everything the deal and skinner from the best football song in the world three lines on um from uh jews don't count a really important book and documentary and also now likes to be referred to as cat man because he loves cats so much he's done a three-part series with channel four devoted to cats because he doesn't think that cats get enough airtime no they probably don't and it's a very wholesome tv show where he goes around where he walks a cat up a mountain with this lady who likes to walk her cat on a lead My friend Eva used to have her cat on a lead.

3:26Really? Because it was a very expensive breed. She never let it out unless it was on a lead and she took it for a walk like a dog. Hmm. I think this one just was an outdoorsy kind of cat that wanted to hike, so. But it's funny, isn't it? Because some people don't let their cats out of the house. They're indoor cats. I think it's quite an American thing to have indoor cats. Well, if you live in a tower block, you'd have an indoor cat, wouldn't you? David Baddiel coming up on Table Mallard.

3:59David Baddiel, thank you so much for schlepping here. Thank you, Jessie. It's lovely to be here. It's a horrible day and it took over an hour. And we live in the same city. Yeah, but you're north. Yeah, and you're south. Why don't you sport Chelsea then? We're really worried about that. Don't be worried about it. It's a big road flag for us. Okay, I'm sorry. So it's very simple, which is I come possibly from the first generation of football fans who supported their football team based on the telly rather than their locality. So I was six, and I remember very clearly watching Chelsea win the FA Cup final with my brother Ivor, who you've met, who would have been eight at the time.

4:37And as, do you have brothers and sisters? I have a brother and a sister. Okay, so I did everything that my older brother wanted me to do when I was a kid. And as soon as he got excited, because Chelsea won, they beat Leeds 2-1 in the replay of the FA Cup final, I got excited because he got excited, and then we were Chelsea fans. So I'm sorry about that. I grew up in Cricklewood. I took Jessie to see Chelsea, an FA Cup replay. We support United. Support United. Manchester United. I'm from Manchester. Thank you, sir. Before you start. Someone pissed on my car wheels because we had our scars on. I was just parking the car.

5:16You were asking for it, Lenny. And then they gobbed on the window screen. When was this? We did win. Was this 1983? No. No, it was in the 90s. We actually went on Boxing Day when we sat next to David Beckham. I know, he was in either seats and in the suburbs. And we sat there. That was a different game, though. And as I took my tiny children, these men shouted out, fuck off, you cunt, back to Manchester. Oh, wow. It wasn't me, was it? No, it wasn't you. We've always loved Chelsea after that. I've always loved the word cunt, too. Maybe that's where it came from. I never died. Yeah, yeah, that's a nice moment.

5:49Lovely to hear. We're just sparring with you at the moment. It's fine. There are some Chelsea fans who would be very fond of the word cunt. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, actually I am fond of it as well, but probably not in the football hooligan context. But I'm sorry about that. More in, like, the cunty context? Yeah, more in the cunty context. Stop it. I hate it. Sorry. I'm sorry, Jenny. Jenny. Less than you. Lenny. I'm calling myself less than you. Actually, can I just ask? I was talking to my wife about this. I said, she's called Lenny. And I said, I mean, this might be old-fashioned to me, but I said, that's a bloke's name.

6:19It is. So why are you called Lenny? Because my real name's Helena. Ah, okay. Actually, my wife did say this. Yeah, my real name's Helena. Or actually, Helena, I've got an accent on my E, which I only discovered late in life. Like, Helen? Helena. Yeah, like a French. So I was called, as everyone is, who is Jewish, after a dead person that I don't think my father had ever met. Right. But it was my grandfather's auntie, Helena, so I was called Helena. You've said it three different ways now, then. Yeah, my dad said, we can't call her that. Let's just call her Lenny the Lion. Lenny the Lion. Yeah, and it was after Lenny the Lion.

6:52And that's my tag on Twitter, in case you want to follow her. No, I do, definitely. Have you discussed that before, sorry, on this podcast? No, not the accent. No one's ever asked why you're called Lenny. But it's kind of quite a cool name now. It is a cool name. It's kind of... Dead, trendy now. Androgynous names. Are you Lenny as in with a Y? I.E. I.E, yeah, because with a Y would be quite blokey. Although there is Lenny Bruce. Lenny Bruce. Yeah. Yeah, who else? Lenny Henry. Lenny Henry. Heidi Klum's daughter's called Lenny Oh really? Alison Roman, a great chef, called her cat after this Lenny Oh really?

7:27Lenny's a good name for cat Has a cat named after her, which is kind of a brilliant segue What a segue Into Catman How the fuck did you get a three-parter on cats? That is remarkable Because it shows the respect that Channel 4 have for you How much you adore cats You could talk about them for three hours I'm so impressed that you like telly doesn't really get made anymore they're all doing reboots of things like gladiators is back which we're thrilled about actually but like a three parter it's incredibly gentle sweet telly yeah yeah well I'm doing a drama as well for channel 4 that's an original drama they don't get made anymore about cats no that's a psychological thriller no oh no I'll tell you what it's about in a bit but let's start with the cat so the cat thing I've been maybe every conversation I've had with a TV commissioner over the last 30 years about other stuff at the end of it you know they say you've probably been in this situation because you do lots of stuff you're a pop star but you also create all sorts of stuff they say have you got any other ideas right at the end of it and I always say yeah there should be a TV show about cats and they're like ha ha ha that's a joke right and like no no you know there are always TV shows about dogs like endlessly there's a show about dogs the earliest television had shows about dogs in it.

8:46They've been going on since the sort of 50s and 60s. At the moment you've got and these are all great shows by the way but you've got Alison Hammond doing For the Love of Dogs, you've got Pete Wicks doing Dog Show, whatever. I remember when I was a kid, Barbara Woodhouse did shows about dogs. Never been a show about cats. It was unbelievable. Never been a show about cats. Joe Brand did a kitten rescue thing I think on Channel 5 and I love Joe Brand and that was lovely but not a kind of proper celebration of the world's second and actually it's getting to be first most popular pet. And by the way, I really, really love cats.

9:17Yeah. It's not just like I've spotted a gap in the market. Yeah, but like, name your cats for everyone. Well, my cats at the moment, I've sadly lost one. I know, I'm sorry. Is that Chairman Meow? No, Chairman Meow went a long time ago. Okay. But the cats that we have at the moment, Pip, died at the start of the series. I'm so sorry, that was really sad. How old was she? 15. She was the mum of the... Of the ones that I have now, who are Tiger and Ron, who are brothers from her first litter, and Zelda, who is their half-sister and who is kind of semi-feral because we gave... Tiger and Ron are incredibly nice, just blokey cats, especially Tiger.

9:50Possibly the nicest being of any species I've ever met. Tiger, lovely bloke, does this a lot. They love that you call your cat a bloke. He's very... Those two are very blokey. Ron is a sort of strange bloke. Tiger's a nice bloke. It's part of my whole thing, my whole shtick with Catman is cats are very individual. They're more like humans, I think, than dogs, although I know not very much about dogs. Well, dogs are very, very nice. Quite selfish cats. Well, can I push back on that immediately? Tiger, what they are is like humans. Some humans are very selfish, some humans are very nice. Yeah, it's true.

10:22They're very individual cats. So Zelda is quite selfish, but to be fair to Zelda, Zelda was given to my mum when she was a kitten because Pip had two litters because she was a bit of a slag and she kept on having sex and we kept on saying we must get a new kid and she would just have sex so quickly. It wasn't the bloke's problem, was it? Well, it's unfair of me. Yes, that's very unfair of me. You're right, I don't know him because he's just some tomcat. Well, Liam, I thought it was... Okay, can you clear this up for me? Right. Can cats get impregnated by different male cats? Yeah. And have all different...

10:58And have all different... So when you say so, in one litter can be a load of different dads. No, I don't think so because I think if their biology is, and I'm not, don't quote me on this, The same as sort of all mammal biology. Even if there's, I'm sorry, there's quite a lot of cat spunk knocking about. It's only still one egg and one sperm that's going to. But there are, there isn't one egg. My husband has been telling my children the wrong information. No, but there can't be one egg because you wouldn't have more than one. No, they're all twins. They're like twins, aren't they? Well, not when you have five.

11:25Yeah, I thought of those. Emma Freud's just. The idiots guy. Emma Freud's cat. Cat sex. She's sort of mad about cats. I know, she's just had loads of kittens. She's just had loads of kittens. We should do like a late night Catman about the act. One thing I should be clear about Catman is I love cats. It's a big celebration of cats. I'm not an expert on cats. No, absolutely not. Yeah, and we do in fact speak to a cat behaviourist and a cat historian, but we don't clear up any of these mysteries. Can I text Emma? Can we just like AI do all this shit? Emma won't know. Emma's a vet. Emma Freud is a vet.

11:55No. Emma, my niece. Oh, right. That was news to me. Emma Freud loves a cat, though. No, she loves a cat, and she should have been on the show, but we couldn't. We had already got so many people, because it turns out there's a huge, you know, bubbling whatever of people who want to talk about cats who've never got the chance on Denny. But you did have Jonathan Ross on who was less interested in cats. That's true, but I wanted with Jonathan to talk a little bit about the cat versus dog thing because he's got loads and loads of dogs, but he's also less well-known, I knew it, always had Bengals as well, cats.

12:22And so I wanted to have him on to talk a bit about that. Hang on, so have we, anyway, Zelda, I just want to finish. Zelda, yeah, finish, sorry, and then we're going to clear up. So Zelda may or may not be Ron the Tiger's half-sister. I think she is. And we gave her as a kitten because we already had enough cats to my mum. Then my mum sadly died. Then my dad sadly got dementia. And Zelda basically lived with another cat called Connie in the garden whilst the carers, who looked after my dad because he never went into a home, he was looked after by carers at home, had so much on their hands with my mad dad who didn't go into, he was like, I've talked about this a lot, but he basically had a type of dementia which meant he turned into a very extreme shouty sweary version of himself not a quiet man uh they have so much on their hands they just let the cats live in the garden they fed them so when zelda came back to us when my dad died it wasn't like a you know long lost family it was like unless i missed an episode of long lost family where the mum hisses at the daughter and chases her under the cupboard it was carnage and it kind of remains carnage in the house between zelda and the other two cats although They sort of tolerate each other now, but for a long time she had to live upstairs.

13:29And I'll finish this with just a very nice thing, which is that Moenna, my wife, who loves cats but not like I do, has totally fallen in love with Zelda because Zelda now sleeps on our bed and my wife has had the opportunity to fix this broken biscuit of a cat with love and tenderness, and it's very, very sweet, although she bites me a lot, not Moenna, Zelda. Are all your cats neutered now? Yeah, yeah, they're all neutered. You don't, honey? No, I'd love about 500 kittens, but you sort of can't do that, can you? Okay. I just need to clear up how cats, like, because I think we all need to know this now.

14:01Yeah, we do need to know. Do cats have kittens from one... What did you pick? One egg. No. Oh, no. Kittens in a litter usually come from multiple eggs, not just one, and they can even have different fathers. Okay, in one litter. Superfecundation, it's called. Wow. Fertility, darling. Okay, fine. Okay, so that's really interesting. I didn't know that, and me and my daughter spent ages trying to work out... Did she not just bloody Google it? Well, didn't you see there was one little black one and the rest were ginger? Because a female cat, go on. That was because Pip was many colours and her husband would have been many colours.

14:35Dolly, whose cat was Pip, rather hoped that it was the same cat, the same male cat for both litters, not many, many different ones in the one litter. This is interesting because a female cat releases several eggs over a few days with each mating potentially triggering ovulation and fertilisation by different males' sperm. Right, OK. While identical twins from a single egg are possible, most kittens in a litter are like fraternal twins developing from separate fertilised eggs. Oh, wow. So Ron and Tiger might not even be brothers. I hate to break that to you. No, they are brothers. Well, half-brothers.

15:08Yeah, but they've got different dads. They were all in the same womb, though. They were definitely all in the same womb. Yeah, there was no IVF or whatever going on with her. But I'll tell you one thing which makes me wonder if it was the same dad is that Pip is polydactyl or was polydactyl, by which I mean she has more than five digits on her course. She has about six. Ron, I think, has seven. Ernest Hemingway only had polydactyl cats and he had 38 cats, something like that. Why did he only have them? He liked the idea of polydactyl cats. They have got a certain personality, I think. Oh, really?

15:39How many of yours got them? I think they're just like basic four. Yeah. I think Ron I'll show you a picture of him in a bit Ron has got the most massive paws and can open things and whatever He's like a boxer isn't he? Yeah sort of like baseball gloves Yeah And he's got I think maybe seven digits on his hands and so that's a genetic thing right that was carried through from the mum so that could suggest that it was only one line David do you get people getting in touch with you who've got cat fetishes? Well just recently it's happening What do you mean by fetishes? I'll tell you where I was in LA with Hannah.

16:13I'm loving this episode. I went into this manicure place. Okay. And there was the girl and she had a nose. She'd had her eyebrows done and little things in her head. And she looked like a cat. She was a cat woman. And I looked at her. I thought she was in fancy dress or something. She wasn't. She was dressed as if she was a cat. And she'd altered. She'd had some plastic surgery to make herself look like a cat. This is in like the local nail salon. No, yes. Her local met. And she'd had some implants. Well, I talk a bit in the show about the attractiveness of cats. I think in the show too, I say, look, they're so beautiful.

16:50And we think they're very beautiful. But is that weird? Is that weird that as a species, we're kind of attracted to another species? And that might be this woman's thinking. It's that cats are very beautiful. You need to get her. If you get it, recognition. You need to go to this nail salon. It's N for Nails in Eagle Rock. A deal with the batshit cat people. Exactly. But when I looked at her, I didn't even know what to say. I could barely speak. I kind of said, oh. Was it definitely cat? Oh, yeah. Definitely had her face altered. No, it was definitely had her face altered. Had she not just had a really bad brow lift?

17:21No, you know how some people get horns put in. Devil people. Yeah, devil people. She'd had her face altered and then she'd got whiskers and everything put on. Really? It was so bizarre. You need to get to that later. I do, but I'm not as fanatical about cats as that one. But I bet people are going to start, all the cat fetish people will. But what do you, when you say cat fetish, what are you thinking about? I think people who want to be cats. You know, there are people that dress like cats and then only meow. You know, if you identify as a cat. What websites are you on, Lenny? No, they have this at Emma's school where a child identified as a cat and only meowed.

18:03There was some news about that. I'm not sure I believed it. It's one of those things, or identification or whatever. But I mean, you know, a child deciding they want to be a cat, I think that happens, like, for about two days. I'm just going to sort a few things. Yeah, my kids haven't been original enough to, like, they're just... My children love the cats, actually. The cats are a massive, massive part of our family. We sort of discussed what we talk about the most in our family the other day, and it's like, number one is the cats. That's so lovely. When did you... So did you start getting cats when you had children?

18:34No, no, I grew up with cats. You had them before? So one of the reasons that I'm obsessed with cats is that I had a very weird family upbringing, which I talk about in my book. And I did a show about it as well. Because basically my mum was having an affair with a golfing memorabilia salesman and transformed her house over to golf memorabilia. And meanwhile, my dad was a kind of mad Welsh working class bloke. He refused to accept this was happening. And so there was a lot of like weird emotional sort of things that were wrong going on in my house. But a place that was clearly a site of just pure affection, and particularly for my dad, who couldn't show affection to us or to his wife, was towards the cat.

19:13Fomfer, as she was called. Fomfer. Fomfer, yeah. It was my dad's word for purring, basically. It was kind of an onomatopoeic word for purring. So he would pick her up and say, oh, you're fomfering, you're fomfering, aren't you? And it's kind of Jewish-ish. Is it like Yiddish? It's not Yiddish. It's the word he made up, but it's got Yiddish element. but oh it's great and Fomfer was really like the only part of our house that felt like oh there's pure affection here and that's I think what got me really really into Cats. Do you think I mean forgive me for kind of psychoanalyzing as well but like you're you started as a comedian obviously incredibly intelligent um Cambridge lots of first double for whatever you know brain box all of that yeah but like being funny in the house yeah isn't there a correlation with um when you want to entertain and make people laugh maybe because it was a tough time in your house maybe or not i think well my my stuff about my family that i've talked about particularly the book it's called my my family the memoir is i think a sort of it's a love letter to a very damaged upbringing so So it's not like a misery memoir.

20:24It's about how funny it was there. And it's a kind of celebration of having a very, very damaged upbringing. And in that way, it's very different from, say, Spare by Prince Harry, for example. It sort of loves how ridiculous it was in my house. And the thing that gives me the ability to do that is comedy. There's a quote at the front by Julian Barrett, who used to be in The Mighty Boosh, which is to really take the piss out of something, you have to love it. And I very, very fundamentally believe that and think that we live in a time where comedy is constantly being like people frame it completely the wrong way.

20:59Because most of the time people are not when they laugh, they're not weaponizing something. They're enjoying something. And so when I talk about my family, I'm mainly loving the fact that I can laugh about it. But without that, yeah, I'd be very fucked up. How did your family feel about the memoir? Well, they were both dead, my parents, when I wrote it. Yeah, Ivor, my brother, said, because I talked about it. It was a show, actually. I did the show first. I did it in West End for two runs. It was just after my mum died, and my mum died quite suddenly, and I said to my brother, I want to do a whole stuff about it, particularly about her and the golfing memorabilia love.

21:37She was deeply in love with this golfing memorabilia salesman. Did you meet him? Yeah, he was there all the time. He was at my house all the time. Came to my bar mitzvah, David Wye. He's recently done. Who did your mum describe him as at the bar mitzvah? No, no, I knew him by then. He was around all the time. It was just David White. He was endlessly around our house. The book begins with me being taught golf by him in the back garden. I sort of deliberately make the book sound like it could be worse than it because I said there's this strange man behind me and he's holding my hips and I don't really know what's going on.

22:08And then I say, don't worry, it's not abuse or not a straightforward type of abuse. He's trying to teach me how to play golf. What was your theme for your bar mitzvah? Theme? Yeah. I didn't have a theme. I was in like 1970, whatever. I'm still 1964. I was born, so 1978. Did you get to choose the spread? No, we didn't have the money for that sort of thing. Basically, I got... I don't remember much about it, except it was at the St. John's Wood New London Synagogue. Oh, yeah, nice. Thank you. Muftah and Haftarah. Does it mean anything to anyone? You. Do you know what that means? Yeah, Chessie said that Miss two years ago.

22:49Okay, so we are talking about Jewish stuff. And I was thinking, I was thinking to myself, no, no, it's not a bad thing. It's a good thing. But I was thinking, is it going to be Jewish food? And for anyone who doesn't know, these are latkes. That's smoked salmon and this is salt beef, right? Yes. Or brisket. Is it salt beef or brisket? Brisket. Yeah. And so, well done. You've gone top Jew with the food. You really have. I really want the latkes. I can't really have these. They look really good. I can't have these near me anymore without eating. Yeah, do it. You just keep eating. Take loads. It's amazing.

23:20What's this? A lumpfish? That's some caviar. Wow. Mum, these have got like a fluffiness about them. Just have chai. So my daughter made latkes. What do you think? They're good. I know. I know they're good. I'm sure they're good. Do you make latkes? Is that a thing you do? No, we did it in series one of the podcast and it created so much noise. That is a delicious snack. They're really good latkes. These are great. They are. This is definitely my best ever. But I cooked them over two days and froze them. They're amazing. That's a bit of Jewish guilt there for you. Just to let you know, she did take two days on these, David.

23:54Just in case you weren't aware of that. And I did wear my shower cap as well. Those are so good. Because they've been marinated for two days. They're so good. I mean, food is a big deal in our house. Let me try the brisket. Brisket. I mean, what's the difference between brisket and salt beef? I don't really know the difference. It's salt beef, really. It is salt beef. And actually, it's from M &S. Oh, is it? You didn't make this. I couldn't find salt beef locally. We live in the diaspora. I now have so much salt beef in my teeth. The best salt beef or pastrami I've had is in New York. I know it's a cliche, but cats, you know that deli in New York?

24:30It is amazing, the pastrami and salt beef, you get that. You like Russ and Daughter, don't you? I prefer Russ and Daughters. Where's that? New York. Russ and Daughters? I don't know it. But cats, you're basically getting a whole cow. Yeah, I know, I like that. It's crazy, isn't it? I like that. I like the sort of wobbly, enormous cuts of meat that they carve off. I shouldn't because for years and years and years, particularly because my daughter is a vegan, I've thought I should be a vegan. It's definitely right. It's the right thing. And then I eat a cat sandwich and it's gone. I'm sorry. I basically, in my head, totally think I should be a vegan.

25:06And in my stomach, I fail. But do you eat at home quite vegetarian, vegan? Because you don't really cook. Do you cook? Yeah, I cook, but my children are such good cooks. My son is a professional cook now. Where does he work? Are we going to say? So he works at Morro. Oh, wow, it's my favourite. No, he's really good, like head of the grill at Morro. He's 20. That's amazing. Actually, he's 21 now, but he was 20 when that started. Do you go there a lot? Quite a lot, and actually he'll slip me food. I don't have to go for a whole meal. I'll just stand at the counter and slip me food. What is a memorable dish from your childhood?

25:46Well, my mum was a terrible cook. I didn't know that until I tried other food, and that was probably not until I was quite old. Like, when I was about 14. Is this the avocado that changed your life? Yes, my mate Dave Gavrid, who's in a band called The Sundays. You know The Sundays? I don't. You should listen to them. They were a really, really amazing, big indie band in the 90s. They did three albums, and they decided to just stop. They just didn't want to do it. They didn't want to be kind of a huge indie band, although they're really great. and Dave, who I was in a band with him when I was young.

26:21What do you play? I play guitar and piano. And write hit songs. Yeah, well, I've co-written the lyrics to a hit song, which is good. But Ian Brodie, you know, he's the musical genius of that song. But anyway, Dave Gavran. So we lived in what I would say is a slightly grim, lower middle class house in Dollish Hill. Dave, my mate, lived in a nicer house in Wembley Park and he gave me an avocado when I was about 15 and honestly it was like a eureka moment for me I'd never tasted anything like it I didn't really know they could exist or that a type of taste like that could exist and my mum, Oliver Scholler, God rest her soul you know, she wasn't a great cook and she mainly did a soup and you know Jewish mothers, chicken soup I love a nice chicken soup my mum's was an enormous vat of water that every so often she would throw in like a claw.

27:14Oh, God. A claw and some barley, and she'd dish that up and call it chicken soup. And all the meat she ever cooked was like, it'd been cooked for like five days, and it was so dry. Boiled. Yeah, boiled or whatever. But I didn't know when I was a kid. I just thought this is what food is. It's difficult. There was a thing that people used to say, or at least my Auntie Ruth used to say, which was quite old, because Auntie Ruth was not an auntie. She was about the only person in my parents' circle who wasn't Jewish. She was so not Jewish, she'd been in the Hitler Youth when she was young. But Archie Ruth, very nice woman, used to say, when my mum used to do dinners, she would say when the potatoes come out, oh, she was German, oh, she's made those potatoes again.

27:56And that's an interesting thing to say, because it could mean they're good or bad. Do you know what I mean? It's like when you go backstage and you say, you've done it again, because, you know, it could mean anything. And she was a bit like that with my mum's potatoes, because they were questionable. what my mum did was cut them really small and then bake them for too long so they were crunchy but you know a roast potato should be crunchy on the outside but fluffy there's no fluff just crunch she made an effort though she tried and I'm fond of the memory of my mum's cooking even though it was terrible but I love food now

28:42Do you like to eat out? Yeah. You like a curry? I love a curry. Curry's probably my favourite. Are we allowed to say where your favourite curry is? Do you go to Tyab's? Pardon? No, that's not near him. No, but he goes to one on the commercial road. There is one on the commercial road. I really, really like this. The Hawkebab House. I haven't been there for ages. I used to love that. What was your order? The Hawkebab House. Yeah. The Hawkebab House, they mainly have just like that. or they'd do it in my day. It's like a canteen and you'd just say that one and it would normally be like a land madras or something.

29:13There's a place called Dars near me that is really good and there's about four or five. There's another one called Rajdu. I mean, there's been a thing in recent years which is Deliveroo and Uber Eats which means I don't go out to eat as much as I used it because it's very nice. Every Saturday we do that as a family. What was your last Saturday order? It was Chinese, actually. Well, what's your order on a Chinese? I'm really getting into Chinese now. Chinese, I have gone from very standard stuff, duck and blah, blah, blah, to, do you know, there's some Chinese restaurants, which are normally their menu is in Chinese, and they'll have dishes that are called things like umbrella clouds with puffin juice.

29:51Have you ever seen that? I've never seen that. No, I'm making it up. Not that specifically. There's something called Chairman Mao's pork, for example. Okay, I've never seen that. Chairman Mao's twice-cooked pork, which is definitely a real thing, which is this kind of red, it's the use of the type of sugar, my son can make it, and it's cubed pork, and apparently it's Chairman Mao's favourite pork. I don't know about Chairman Miao, who was one of my cats, but she would have liked it because cats like all food. So I like to try and find really unusual food that Chinese restaurants cook. They're not the kind of Anglo-Chinese versions of it.

30:24Has it been hit and miss? It's sometimes hit and miss, yeah. It's sometimes hit and miss. We had Harlan Coben on the podcast. I know Harlan. He's so fantastic. Lovely boat. He's gorgeous. And he talked about Golden China, which is a place in New Jersey. It was in New Jersey, but it's not there at all. And his mum was a terrible cook. And it was, what was it, prawns and oyster sauce. And he said he'd never be able to recreate it or get the same thing again. Okay, in the same way, and this is, I don't know, this isn't winky. I think this is all right. Probably the best, maybe the best meal I've ever had.

30:56It's something about a Chinese meal I've ever had. So I did a show for Discovery that you won't have watched called David Baddiel on the Silk Road, where I went from Xi 'an in China to Istanbul talking about the Silk Road, something I knew nothing about when I started here, but I sort of learnt about it on the way. And it was brilliant. It was a four-part series. Anyway, I was in Xi 'an, which is in the middle of China, and we were in a sort of market, and we were getting a lot of attention because we had a camera. And suddenly I got pulled away. I was like someone literally was just pulling me away.

31:25and speaking in Chinese. I didn't know it was a woman. I didn't know what she was saying. And I thought at first, am I being kidnapped? Is this it? It's over. But then I realised, no, she's a sort of middle-aged woman and she seems nice, even though I don't know what she's saying. So I said, yeah, fine. And I just went with her and I told the cameras to follow. I didn't know at all what she wanted. And what she wanted was to give me lunch. She had like a cafe in the middle of this market area, really tight, loads and loads of people. And they were all following me. And then she took me into her cafe and sat me down and gave me a bowl of noodles with chilli and huge skewers of meat that her sons were barbecuing.

32:01And to this day, I think that's the best food I've ever had. It was so incredible. That's like your Anthony Bourdain moment. It was really Anthony Bourdain. And she never said anything I understood, by the way. She only spoke Chinese. She didn't speak any English. I think we did have someone who spoke Chinese on the team, obviously, but she wasn't interested in talking to them. What she wanted was for me to taste her food on camera and say, this is amazing. Clever woman, yes. Do you remember the name of the place? No, no, no. Of course not. No, but I do remember the taste. I remember the taste.

32:31It was so amazing. Do you still enjoy making telly? Yeah, yeah. Cat Man. Yeah. I mean, I've just done this drama for Channel 4 and I really enjoyed that. Oh, we'll have to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, of course. It's been announced. It's called Hunting Alice Bell and it's a psychological thriller with Simon Pegg in it and do you know Alexandra Roach, this incredible Welsh actress. Probably, maybe. And Amanda Abington. and it's about that, the premise of that, I'll tell you very quickly, is there was a woman, still is a woman, called Maxine Carr. Does that name ring any bells? Maxine Carr. Yes, Maxine Carr was Ian Huntley's lover.

33:04Yes, yeah, yeah, right. And she gave him an alibi in the early 2000s and she went to prison for about two years and then when she came out of prison, as is now happening, she lived somewhere in Britain under a fake identity. She's the only non-murderer in the history of criminology in Britain to be given a fake identity because she was so vilified by the press and her life is under so much threat. Anyway, I saw a documentary many years ago about the fact that random women are occasionally targeted for being Maxine Carr. Wow. You know, someone in Scumthorpe. Sorry, I don't mean Scumthorpe, but anywhere.

33:36Somewhere in a small town in Britain will randomly wake up one day and everyone will have decided for no reason that they are Maxine Carr. So in my story, it's a completely different type of crime. It's more like a Harold Shipman type of crime and Simon Pegg's playing an anaesthetist who just kills people because he's kind of got a God complex. And he has a lover who's his theatre nurse called Alice Bell and she's managed to stop the police from getting close to him for a bit with an alibi. And all that's happened before it starts and then she comes out of prison but you don't see her properly.

34:05She's under a blanket. And ten years later, a woman is just putting her kids to bed and a brick comes through her window and it becomes clear that the town that she's in has decided that she's Alice Bell for no apparent reason, although the internet is feuding it and blah, blah, blah. And she's about to flee from this town with her kids and have a husband when Amanda Abington, in fact, appears and says, this is happening to me too in Scarborough. And then it turns out there are five women it's happening to. And they kind of come out fighting and turn into women fighting back against misogyny and disinformation and the mob.

34:37But in episode two, they start to think that one of them is Alice Bell. Oh my God, it's like traitors. It's like traitors. It's so funny you said that because I wrote it originally. I wrote it as a movie before it was a drama about 10 years ago. And as it was being... Were you playing a lot of Mafia at that time? What? Mafia is like the original, like, Traitors. I wasn't. Right. I just had the idea. On seeing this documentary I saw about the women it was really happening to. But then, as we literally, as we were sort of really giving up to make it, Traitors is becoming such a big thing. Were you happy about that or annoyed?

35:09Both. Okay. So I'm annoyed because, as a writer, You don't want to think you've written a drama, a psychological thriller based on a game show, which we totally haven't. At the same time, it's not a bad brand. No. For a drama. People are liking it. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, it's kind of good and bad. So I made that over the summer. And it's been made for quite a low budget because telly's just got tiny budgets now. It's like under a million. So it was really, really hard work. But it was really great. But it was unbelievably hard. And then I went straight on to Catman. And then in terms of answering the question, like, do you enjoy making telly?

35:42It was brilliant. It was so brilliant. This is brilliant. I'm being paid to hang out with cats. That is fantastic. And meet really interesting and unusual cats. Cats that paddleboard. Cats that go to hospitals to help people. Did you ask Harlan Cobham for any tips on how to make it as stressful as possible for your thriller drama? I didn't. I should have done because Harlan Cobham came. We screened my documentary, Jews Don't Count, in New York and Harlan came which was very sweet of him but I didn't ask him I should have asked him you should have maybe you'll just get maybe this is your new thing I could do that and then I'd get eight Netflix series whatever it is we ask every guest last supper you're not going to die I'm not going to read Jesus or am I?

36:32no so you're going to go to a desert island for a very long time what would be your starter your main your pud your drink of choice wow Well, I might mix and match. I don't know if anyone else has done this. What I mean by mix and match is it wouldn't be just one genre. That's fine. So I think starter, if it's my last meal, I'm going to have to go for full English breakfast. Now, I know that will slightly screw up the rest of it. I didn't know if I had to have that. No, and I know from following you, I sound like... You sound like... Kathy Bates, I know. About black pudding. Well, no, about breakfast.

37:06So I did this. I was on tour, on my last tour, there was one before, And I noticed a thing, which is not a very original thing to notice, but if you're on tour in Britain and you're in hotels and you're in Marriott, the first thing that you smell and you see when you come down is full English breakfast. And if you're like me, that's very difficult to resist. So I was literally eating it every day, which is really bad for me. Did you get late? Oh, yeah. Go on, look at me. No, you look fabulous. Well, thank you. You're very kind. But meanwhile, yes, and also my arteries probably went. But what I noticed was if I put a picture of a full English breakfast on the internet, on social media, people go mad.

37:42Like the full English breakfast police are like, the eggs are touching the beans. And you should use the sausage as a breakwater. And that black pudding hasn't been cooked for long enough. People go absolutely mad. She's got really peculiar fans. Yeah, it's just the internet, isn't it? It's a basic bitch. The internet is a basic bitch. Yeah, it is a basic bitch. Well, you are kind of brilliant with the internet. Like you're still on X, aren't you, or Twitter? yeah I'm so for about five years I decided the thing to do with trolls and whatever is to treat them like hecklers um and because that is my background and my background is if someone you don't know shouts abuse at you in the dark you make it funny you put them down if I make it funny so I would constantly do that and I've got a show out of it my last stand-up show was called trolls not the dolls and it was based on all the sort of ways I've put people down who were trolls and and a kind of larger thing about how we live now and why we live in this abusive culture.

38:43But I think now it's kind of so out of control. The sort of Overton window of what you can say on X in particular has been so smashed by Elon Musk. So it's so full of neo-Nazis and terrible, terrible stuff that it's kind of not worth doing that anymore. There was a point where it was kind of funny, and now I'm not sure it is funny. And also I've got the show. I've done that show. I don't want to do it anymore. So I'm still on Instagram, and I still occasionally post a breakfast. But to get back to the food, if I was having my last meal, I would think, and this is very me, because there's a tiny part of me that always thinks, how can I maximise my pleasure in all times?

39:17Even though this wouldn't work together, I would think I have to eat all the food that I love, because I'm never going to eat again. And one of the foods I do love is full English breakfast. I really love a full English breakfast. Is it full? Are you omitting or adding anything? Okay, sausage, bacon, eggs, two eggs, two sausage, two bacon, always beans. Have to have beans. Some people don't like beans. I always have to have beans. I like beans. Otherwise it's too dry. No, I'm not bothered about mushrooms. Tomatoes. A fried tomato, but mainly for decoration. I usually think they're quite miserable.

39:48Yeah, they are miserable. I'm not really very bothered with fried tomato. Which sort of sausage? Oh, well, so I... Sausages are important. I don't like very posh sausages. No. So my friend Hugh Dennis, do you know Hugh Dennis? I did a bicycling show with him quite recently. Once said this thing... Was that to work off the full English? Yeah. What said this thing, which is that you want a sausage that lies flat on a plate. You don't want one that curves up at the ends. Because the flat one means it's got loads of bread in it. And it's cheap. And that's what I want. I want a cheap, bready sausage.

40:20I don't want one that's 99 cents. Do you want... Richmond's vegan sausages are actually... I know. I've got them in the fridge. They're really good. In the freezer. I love them. Fried bread. Yeah. And tea. I'm quite curious. Because I basically drink more coffee. But tea with a Friday-nick breakfast. Do you always have, do you have white bread toast or do you like sourdough? Well, if I'm having, well, the other thing I often have of that type is a bacon or sausage sandwich. And that's always, for me, Mother's Pride. White bread. I mean, it probably isn't Mother's Pride, but white bread. I don't know if anyone can have that.

40:53That kind of sandwich with sourdough or granary is an obscenity. I agree. Brown sauce? Yeah, brown sauce, not tomato. Not ketchup. No, well, actually, I think sausages, ketchup's okay. Bacon, brown sauce in a sandwich, I would say. Always brown sauce. Jonathan Ross once had, what's that bloke? It's Anthony Worrell Thompson, I think. He's a chef on his program, on his radio show, back when Jonathan had a radio show. And he asked him about what kind of sauce he would have in a bacon sandwich. And Anthony Worrell Thompson, a professional chef, said, I think tomato ketchup. And Jonathan went, you're an idiot.

41:26I remember thinking, I agree with that. That's terribly rude. No, I remember thinking, I agree with that. Because you've got to have brown sauce with a bacon sandwich. So we're starting with a full English. Yeah, so obviously I can't eat it here after that. It doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter. It's my last breakfast. Yeah, yeah. I've starved myself for four days. Yeah, and then where are we going for the main? Well, okay, so the main... You're going to have a curry. I think it's got to be curry. A ruby, yeah. I think it's got to be curry. And I think... So there's a thing I have. So I play football, believe it or not, still.

41:51Seven-a-side football. Eight-a-side football. Which position? It's not really a position. It's eight-a-side football. Okay. I've been playing in the same game at Arsenal on a weekday night at Arsenal Is Keir in your team? No Keir does play He does play but Keir is not in the team Angus Deaton is in my team Angus Deaton there's a lot of quite old comedians Angus Deaton Clive Anson Hugh Dennis Who's the best? Of the old comedians I'm going to say me Oh Are you? You're modest Yeah Well it's not true When was your last injury? Hang on but just to say about me I mean the key thing about that game is it's been going on a long time and what we've done now is bring in sons and young people so my son plays who's 21 and a guy called graham stewart who's the producer of the graham norton show his son plays who's like 27 and they are brilliant the sons are all like ridiculous so they're on the wing then yeah late 50s 60 year old bloke we've got one bloke who's 77 who plays.

42:51Wow. And we've got like 16-year-olds and 22-year-olds playing. So it's kind of absurd, but it's really fun. Anyway, the reason I mention it is it's a very, very not game about health and it's not healthiness is underlined. We always go for a curry afterwards. And I have a particular curry that I ask for, which is a butter chicken but spicy because butter chicken is normally very... And I like the smoothness of a butter chicken, but not the blandness of it. Bland? It's too bland a butter chicken. Oh, my God, it kills me if I didn't have butter chicken. No, I want butter. I'll sit for it madras hot.

43:24I do that so often that other people I play with say, oh, the chicken badil. They tell the waiter that's a chicken badil. That's good. That sounds like a dish. It's lovely. Try it. Were you pissed off when Vindaloo came out then? No, not really. No, because we killed it. I mean, it's a good song. It's a good song. Fair enough. But it's not three lines. But it's not Three Lions. I could have done a song about... It's not Three Lions. You're right. And also, one thing about Vindaloo, I like Vindaloo. I think it's a good song. But it's not about football. And actually, quite a lot of the songs that are competitive with Three Lions, which are also really good, World in Motion, Vindaloo, whatever, they're not about football.

44:03World in Motion is mainly just a song about love. It's got a rap in it that's about football by John Barth. John Barth. It's got John Barth's rap in it. But the main song, which is a great song, by the way, it's about love and whatever, and togetherness, which is very good, but it doesn't have lines in the song about Gary Lineker. Does everybody shout at you? Is it coming home, David? During a World Cup. Yeah, it must be. Are you going this year? Are you splashed out? Not at the moment. I'm too busy. And also, I've been to loads and loads of World Cups. I've been to World Cups in South Africa, Germany, Japan.

44:33Don't you feel like you could kind of have a role of, like, advisor, kind of like Sir Alex has, where you could kind of be in his ear and be like, listen. I would love that. Can you sort that for me? For morale, Cole needs to be in. Jude needs to be in. Thomas Tuchel would love that, I think. I just think, let's put it out there. I think, Jessie, you call the FA and say, I think what Thomas needs, the only thing he needs is David Baddiel telling him who to pick. He'll really go for that. You make us happier than most England World Cups have played anyone, so there you go. Well, thank you very much.

45:01Right, so we've got chicken Baddiel. Chicken Baddiel, so probably with a naan, a bit of rice, but I prefer a naan. Maybe like a salt bargey side dish, but I probably won't eat. I basically eat a bit of it, but basically it's the main course I'll eat. Drink? Well, I don't drink now. I don't drink now, not for any... When I tell people I don't drink, oh, mince pies. Yeah, I'm so sorry. It's so multicultural. I know, that's what I said to Jessie. I love it. It's just... Have you finished, actually? I have finished, yeah. Thank you. I hardly had any of the cabbage, didn't I? I'm understanding that you don't really...

45:37I do. I like certain vegetables. Avocados. Avocados. It's a fruit. Yeah, but like, yeah. And roast potatoes. Well, you know what? You could do the latke with an avocado and it would have been quite nice. Yeah, it would have been lovely. Actually, I like aubergines. So we have the mince pies. This looks like a familiar mince pie to me. Mum, can you explain what's going on here? They're mince pies. On one side, there is mince meat made by your husband. Oh, yeah. That has lots and lots of brandian. Which he starts in like... And the other side doesn't have any brandian. Okay, cool. So I didn't know.

46:11Right, okay. So you can explain. So here's the thing. It's difficult to explain because people assume, because I'm a comedian, I'm in show business, that because I don't drink alcohol, that I must have had a terrible, terrible problem with alcohol. And if I didn't stop it, I'll be living on some waste ground by now. But none of that is true. What happened was I used to drink a bit. And then I started to think I'm allergic to this. Or I might be because I really like particularly red wine. But if I drank two glasses of red wine, what would happen is I would get. And sometimes when I would explain this, people would just think, David is making this up.

46:44He's Jewish. He loves food too much. He's making this up. Jews don't drink. Yes. Well, I think that is true. But what would happen is here, in my kind of glance here, they would start to sort of itch weirdly and sort of like tingle weirdly. It would be quite painful and horrible. And here's why people didn't believe me. Because I would say, can we have pudding as soon as possible? Because the only thing that would make it go away was pudding. I'd be like at the Ivy with, I don't know, some other comedians or whatever, and they would make fun of me because I would say, look, I need the pudding as soon as possible because I've got this tingling feeling here.

47:15And at the time, I wasn't sure what it was. I just thought this happens all the time. I love that you didn't think, like, oh, I need a doctor because I'm having an anaphylactic shot. I need pud. I need pud. I need a tiramisu, like, immediately to be injected into here. And it would get rid of it. But then I realised, oh, it's not the food. So I used to think it was just eating that brought it on. It's the drink because there's kind of tannins and stuff in the drink that I think irritates my salivary glands. And I really didn't want to give up drink, partly because I like drinking and partly because I knew that people would think I was an alcoholic.

47:46David, if I were you, given how much I like red wine, I'd find a tablet you could take before you drank. I do sometimes do that, antihistamines. Oh, and that works. I take antihistamines sometimes. Yeah, but it's kind of weird to take antihistamines before a glass of wine. No, but it's like taking, what's it, that lactose tablet? Lactaid. Lactaid, people take that if they're going to have cream. I do sometimes do that, and it does kind of work, but I can still feel something. Can I have one of these? You can. The brandy is really coming through. Oh, no. What's going to happen? In a good way. Is this the brandy ones?

48:14Yeah, I think so. But that could be also the brandy cream. Oh, is it brandy cream as well? Yeah. Okay, that's a lot of brandy. These are great. I haven't done pudding, though. Pudding is a tough one because I love pudding so much. So which pudding it would be? You're going to do a meze. I'd love a meze. Yeah, do it. Can I have a meze? Okay, so on the meze of puddings, I think chocolate mousse. I love a chocolate mousse. I love an apple pie or an apple crumble. I quite like it cold I don't know about you I don't they always say warm it up no I like an apple pie apple crumble cold I quite like a lemon meringue very nice Zabaglioni yeah they're nice I had one of them yesterday Bocca di Lupo was it delicious?

48:55the coffee yeah with the egg yolk and sugar yeah yeah I was so excited has it always got coffee in it? I thought it just I thought it was just egg yolk and sugar it's egg yolk and sugar oh well I had a coffee coffee one but coffee is a bazioni yeah which was I was like that's so exciting it was in like a glass kind of like smaller than this it was so delicious for the first four mouthfuls and then I was like there's so much sugar in this but it was quite fat you know what I might also have to have on the mesang a sour haribo oh I love haribo I love sour sweets that's very Jerry Halliwell view by the way that's fine I'm fine pick a mix for her last supper did she yeah no but I specifically want sour sweets.

49:37What, like tangfastics? Yeah, tangfastics. Not the ones that are mad, the ones that I call things like toxic waste. No. That are made for sort of seven year olds. Yeah. No, just a really great sour sweet. I love that. Before we let you go, I've really enjoyed meeting you and chatting. It's been absolutely lovely. I can't believe it's over. I know. Well, you can come back again. Do you want to stay the night? We'll start off. No, sorry. Are you flirting? Are you flirting with me? I was going to make a cut of ruby. That's a curry. not in case you were worried. What is a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere?

50:11Huh, a nostalgic taste. I think that is sweets. I think because I was obsessed with sweets when I was a kid. There was a sweet shop near Dollys Hill Station and I used to go there every morning and buy sweets. I mean, I'm not, I'm quite old, but not that old. But anyway, it was in a paper bag. A triangle one? No, they used to give you sweets in a proper paper bag from proper jars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had these apple drops there. Oh, they were sour. I mean, it doesn't really answer your question because I can't find them. But in my mind, that is the taste. That's my Proustian thing. If I could find those apple drops again, it would make me five years old.

50:46I'll tell you what it would make me. It would make me... Who's the critic? The critic in Ratatouille. Oh, what's his name? The critic in Ratatouille is called... What's he called? That's a great film. Antonego. So the film is called Antonego. The critic in Ratatouille is called Antoine Ego. And the best moment in the history of cinema is in Ratatouille, where Antoine Ego, who's a horrible critic and really nasty, comes into the restaurant and tries the rat's food. And he's going to be scornful about it. And he has the first mouthful and his fork drops to the floor. And there's a montage where he turns back into a little boy.

51:25And the little boy is crying and his mum gives him some Ratatouille. And it's so beautiful. and that's what I think would happen to me if I tried that Apple Drop. But I've never found it. I can get you a Cherry Drop, but I can't get you an Apple one. You remember the Cherry Drop? Yeah, Cherry Drops used to be in a tube and were really nice as well. I love them. Yeah. I used to have them. But I think that's the closest you're going to get. Yeah, maybe. You play guitar. Yes. Do you ever sing karaoke? I have done. I'm a very bad singer. Which song would you sing? Well, unfortunately, the last time I did it, it was Three Lions.

51:58Oh, of course it was. Yes, but I don't normally do that. I never do that. But I'm just going to say this. I was at a party and Graham Coxon from Blur was there. And karaoke started. And next thing I knew, Graham Coxon was doing Parklife. Stephen Merchant, who was there, was doing the Phil Daniels bit, was doing all the talking bit. And Graham Coxon was doing it. And then I thought, sorry, and then I thought, I'm being too precious, aren't I? Because in a minute I know what's going to happen. People are going to say, do three lions. And I can't say no. So I did. and it was absolutely brilliant because everyone joined in and once in Tokyo I was in Tokyo for the World Cup uh I found myself in a karaoke bar with it was just me and some salary men you know salary men the the the blokes in Japan like the businessmen that go and sing they're not really big businessmen they're just sort of like worker bees who work all week and then they go and get completely plastered yeah and I was with some of them I don't know why anyway did you join their group I was just sitting in the bar and they asked me to sing something because they were all drunk and I did Starman by David Bowie and you know what I'm not a good singer but in my mind I sang it pretty well did you yeah it got like a round of applause did they clap they did I don't know if they knew any of the words or anything but they they seemed to think it was okay yeah my daughter's got a brilliant voice at my yeah at my 60th birthday party she sung I didn't know she was going to sing uh she sung um Lady Stardust by David Bowie I'm a massive David Bowie fan and yeah god I it reduced me to liquid form oh it was so lovely do you want a bit of my Dubai chocolate oh yes okay well whilst mum gets the Dubai chocolate thank you so much for being on the podcast thank you it's a joy it's been such a pleasure to meet you the food was lovely good luck with Kat thank you

53:57David Baddiel, fab guest Fab it and he enjoyed his food He loved the food mum Right at home It was delicious mum I would have done something more elaborate But I thought those latkes were exceptional He doesn't like vegetables so I think you did it really, really well. Those lacquers were amazing. Yeah. Like, I think even my son, who will not touch a potato, would have that. Are they all gone? No, but they're for my party tomorrow. But I will not put them all on. I'll save some and bring them on Saturday. Thank you. Delicious. Loved it. Very, very fun. Thank you, Mum. Thanks for hosting. Pleasure.

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