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1:06Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here at Lenny's. Yeah. Post-birthday. Post-73rd birthday. Can you not mention my age all the time? No, I think we should mention it because you look amazing. Okay, fine, guys. And also, you had people at yours till 2.30 in the morning. Yeah. Because, of course, you had a do on your birthday. I had a party because I'm going to celebrate every year now. because as your father told me, I'm in Sniper's Alley now. And that is why you're not with my father anymore. Always the optimist, hey. So you cooked for people on your birthday? I didn't.

1:43I ordered it. Oh, yes, Mum. And it was so delicious, thanks to Metzer. Do you know how much it cost? How much? 22 people. And there was food over it. It was masses. 250 quid. Oh, my God, that's so cheap. It was so cheap and so delicious. Absolutely gorgeous. But you throw such a good do that people don't want to leave, do they? No, they don't. Some people left early. So you've lost your voice because you had a good time? I was up till 2.30. Did you have a good time? I had a lovely time. Did you have music playing? No, because we're so old, we can't hear anyway. If you have music in the background, that makes the noise for us.

2:22People sat and talked. It wasn't a dancing party. As my sister-in-law Gwen would say, it was a stand-up and chat party. Okay. I have just been in Los Angeles, in San Francisco, doing my last show for this tour. So the Pearl is closed. The Pearl is closed for refurbishments. And I made the most out of being in Los Angeles by eating well. And San Francisco, I treated myself and my friends to the French Laundry. Was it delicious? So people may not know about the French Laundry. I feel like lots of our listeners will. it's in Napa and it's Thomas Keller and it's a free Michelin star restaurant because I've started my 40th birthday celebrations early I'm basically spanning it over September October and November I don't know may as well uh I don't know celebrate becoming 40 so but it was absolutely delicious and the funniest thing I think about it was that you know you go to a three-star prestigious fine dining place and you know it's stunning everything looks visually so beautiful and then the music they have on is like uptown funk and sabrina carpenter so you think you're going to be getting like french classical you think you're going to get like eric satty i don't know or california no we had uptown funk espresso that's probably invigorating no it was kind of really fun and it really like relaxed the atmosphere the atmosphere is really relaxed anyway which i love even though how was your nephew my baby nephew came i think he's the one of the youngest people to eat at french laundry yeah he was very they said he was the best behaved baby they've ever had but anyway it was really really fabulous so shout out to everybody that looked after us there i also ate in los angeles at bestia which i know lots of our guests have enjoyed it was bloody good they do this bone marrow this bone, no I would have been the same, bone marrow pasta it was amazing mum so good that I would do it at home and I'm not a bone marrow gal I don't even like the flavour of it Jess well you haven't tried this, it was absolutely phenomenal.

4:37Was it like Marmite? It was so good. Today we have we're not going to give him bone marrow we're not going to give him bone marrow, no we have the overachiever Well, he's part of a very famous sibling couple. He is absolutely fantastic. He is called Phineas, and he is coming on to talk about his second album. I loved it. He's got such a great voice. It's really joyous. Yeah. But it's all about a breakup, though, isn't it? Or somebody doing him wrong. We'll have to chat to him. I love it. It was quite upbeat for someone who's pissed off and miserable. He's having a good time. He's won two Oscars, I think.

5:15Yeah, okay. And I think he's won every Grammy under the sun. and his sister's doing really well, that old sweet little Billie Eilish. She's doing okay, isn't she? And I was re-watching the Billie Eilish documentary and yeah, he's just a lovely big brother, but he's also incredibly talented. Also, when I was doing my research, did not know that he was also in Glee. You're kidding. No, I know. Which one was he? Season six. Oh, I think I'd given up. Yeah, I think I'd given up too, to be honest. But I think that happened before Billie's first record came out. But anyway, he's just amazing. He's coming on.

5:49He is probably one of the most lauded songwriters in the world. What have you made, Mum? Well, the instruction were vegan, so I've tried very, very hard because I'm trying to explain my vegan and vegetarian repertoire. Yeah, you've really improved. You're not so rude about them now. I'm not so rude. No. I've made a vegan mushroom tart, which involves not just mushrooms. I think they under-told you the mushrooms because I did at least twice as much. They always shrink. Well, they told me three cups and I must have done eight cups. And it's still quite low. Who's the recipe? I don't know. It's a vegan recipe I found online.

6:27What is it? It's mushroom tart and you make a cashew nut cream. Yum. That's so cafe gratitude of you, Mum. Is it? Very. And with rosemary, so I've made a vegan tart. I've made some pea and avocado guacamole, beetroot and tomato and red onion. Yum. I've made some pita chips with zata on the top. Yeah, gorgeous. Which I thought would be nice. Do you think that's enough or do you think I should do a green salad? I think it sounds great. And then for pud? Well, our lovely friend Judith gave me quinces from her garden. Judith is the sweetest person in the world and always around Rosh Hashanah. You always get in touch with each other and she always gives you her quinces.

7:10Yeah, so I've done poached quince with some raspberries on the top. and I've got the coconut yoghurt stuff that you like. Phineas, coming up on Take a Moment.

7:28Phineas, you've walked in. Hi. With the friendliest entourage I think I've ever met. Oh, that's nice to hear. And you are in and out. What a beautiful house this is, by the way. So sweet. Thanks for having us here. You are lovely. I think the last time I saw you, you were held up in Benny's attic, writing hits for him. Well, with. Yeah, with. With, sorry. Yeah, absolutely. And you've been in London, I think, for like, what, 48 hours? Something like that, yeah. It's been nice. The weather's been really good. Yeah, I know. This is unusual, though. You know this. You've got beautiful, full, autumn weather.

8:06Yes. Which we don't get that much. We got picked up from the airport and the driver was like, the weather's great for you. And the weather, by the way, for LA is still chilly and gray, right? But everyone that I've seen in London is like in a park. Like so, so happy to be in a rare day of not raining. So you, you, you had a lovely glam person called Josh Knight with you. Josh Knight, shout out Josh Knight. And he's been saying that he was excited for you to do this podcast. Is Josh the reason that we got you to do the booking? No, I love you and I was excited to meet you. And thank you. And no, but Josh, I think, is an avid listener.

8:43And he was like, she's going to make you the best. So, which leads me to Lenny. Probably a lot of pressure for you. What's on the menu, mom? Well, you're vegan. So I've done my best. It's not my best repertoire in cooking. You're lucky. About three years ago, she used to just say, I don't want him on. I don't want him on. I can't cook. I've made a vegan mushroom tart. Yum. I've made some, a pea mint guacamole. Yum. I've made a tomato and beetroot salad. I'm so spoiled. Just a green salad. And there is some shop-bought hummus if you want it. And I've made pita chips with zatter. You made pita chips?

9:19Yeah, with zatter. Dang, I'm so excited. And then we've got like for pita's very nice. You've probably had a huge breakfast and you don't want it. I had a cold plant-based sausage roll from Nero Cafe. Oh, Nero Cafe made it sound so much more sexy than Cafe Nero. Nero Cafe. I suppose that's my malproblem. How long have you been a vegan? All your life? Okay, so I've been vegetarian my whole life. Were your parents vegetarian? Mm-hmm. Okay, so you've never eaten meat? Never eaten meat. Made it easy. Do you ever want to try? Listen. I won't tell. I'm sure it's delicious. I'm sure people are not eating it because it tastes bad.

9:58But it's easy to not start. Have you eaten well whilst you've been in London? I have actually. I went to Dishoom last night. Of course you bloody did. I love my Dishun. I mean, what's your order at Dishun? Well, there's so many vegetarian options that I'll get different stuff every time. But last night I had their Matar, which was so good. Nice. That's so good. What's Matar, darling? Is that peas? It's like a curry, like a pea paneer curry. I like their Tarkadal as well. It's so good. Everything's good. What's a place you love to eat in LA? so I was there last week and I had a really good meal Benny always takes me to Jitlada which I can't imagine is fabulous for a vegetarian I've been that was great good patsio I don't know if we got that but we got everything else when Benny goes to Jitlada they start to bring items to the table and they run out of real estate they're bringing another item and that you have to like, suddenly you're just like holding the curry in your lap.

11:04It's crazy. And Jazz, who is Jitlada, will ring him after saying how much she loves him and to say goodbye. And I just, it cracks me up. It's amazing. Where else did I eat when I was there? Bestia. Bestia, which I'd never been to. Bestia's really good. Yeah, and lots of people have talked about it on the podcast and I've been to Safi's. What sort of food? It's the same people that do Safi's and Bevel. Yeah. But it was bloody good. Yeah, really good. It was unbelievable. And then where else did I eat that was fab? Just go to Griepman's. Went to Griepman's. Griepman's is great. Do you go? I've been to Griepman's.

11:39I live near Griepman's, yeah. Okay, so that's... Oh, come on then. Do it, Matt. So that's my daughter's boyfriend. How cool is that? Do you know Jonah? Have you met him? No, not personally. I just have been a fan of his restaurant. You must have the... I bet you have the mushroom soufflati. The mushroom kebabs, yeah. You know exactly the... Delicious. You know exactly what I'm eating there. Yeah, it's delicious. I also had sushi food meat. I ate well there. Sounds like it. I always eat well there. I was saying that I also really appreciated Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop Kitchen for a few salads. Okay.

12:06Is that a bad thing? I don't know. No, I haven't been there, but no. Just for a delivery to the studio, it was great. But back to you, Phineas. Can I just say, you have got the most gorgeous speaking voice. That's very sweet of you to say. Do lots of people say that? No, it's just you. It is so soothing. It is. And gorgeous. I feel like you should be on the car map or something, telling us all the bedtime story. When you said car map, I thought maybe you meant like a GPS navigation system. Oh, that would be good. Which I could do too. I could be telling you where to turn left and right. I would trust you.

12:41I would do as you told me. Nice. But you've also got a gorgeous singing voice. That's very sweet of you. I listened to your whole album. You're really flattering me. This is crazy. That's why we're here, darling. and you know of course we'll talk about your gorgeous sibling in a bit but the album was made with your best mates it was made with a bunch of my really close friends and lots of them are also touring with you i kind of yeah so can you tell me what brought you lot all together i was seeing like on the writing credits it's usually the same gang it's a phalanx yeah so i made the last album under my own name, Really Alone in a Room, just sort of privately, and it was a kind of a lonely experience.

13:23I'm proud of those songs, but the time spent doing it was lonely, and made me feel a little crazy, just because I had nobody to sort of talk about the work with. Yes, exactly. And so on this cycle, I spent the last several years outside of working with Billy, kind of socially just being friends with a bunch of writer-producers, much like being friends with Benny. And so this girl, Lucy Healy, and my friends, Marinelli and Ricky, and I just spent all this time with them. And I think they're really talented. And so I said, hey, let's, what if we did a week where we wrote some songs for my project and maybe it'll be fun and we'll do it all live.

14:01We'll be in a recording studio. We'll all be mic'd up. And it, first of all, was a really fun experience and it was really creatively satisfying. Stuff just poured out. and after about a week we had about half the record. I mean, and you've done these sessions. You know sometimes work just happens really fast. Yeah, it's magic, yeah. And so I thought, oh, I've got to keep doing this. So we did three weeks and we did the whole record like that. And then I took it home and did a bunch of vocals. And like my live vocal while we're all writing the song was Milk Toast. So later on I could go and record it for hours and hours and not worry about taking up too much time.

14:40Do you, I mean, because obviously you collaborate a lot. I mean, always with your sister, but also you write for other people as well. Yes. And so I can imagine that. Do you feel like going forward that you will, if you do any more Phineas solo records, this is the way you'll do it? Or do you think you'll always switch it up? It sure was fun. I would definitely do it again. But I think probably you've made many albums. I think it's all about what feels right at the time. You've made an album one way and that worked that time. and then you're in a different season of your life and you have to make it a different way.

15:13You're going on tour? Yes. I was looking at your Instagram and I swear you were playing, what was it, the Ford? Ford in LA, which is very small. I swear that was on Friday night. That was on Thursday. Okay, and then did you do Banquet? Banquet yesterday. That was really fun. In Prism, was it in Prism? It was really fun. It's such a lovely... That is the nicest venue and the audience is right up on you. It was a really great experience. it's it's a really there's such a special um record store in kingston it's beautiful i mean i've been doing those gigs for banquet whether it was as a backing singer for my friends bands yeah in the store and then to be able to do it and it's just it's so fun it was really fun we did like a proper matinee we played at 2 p.m oh lovely it was awesome i love like i the thing i love the most about a music festival is that i'm not the headliner and so i i play it three or four in the afternoon and then my nerves are gone afterward because I'm done with my performance and then I can have some dinner and I can watch the headliner do a show and so yesterday felt a little like that.

16:16I was playing when I still had energy and I, yeah. Well, and you're going to be supporting your sister so that's going to be perfect. Being a support is the best. I'll play before her and then I'll take my stuff off the stage and I'll have some food and I'll go watch her show. It'll be great. It's so nice. You can digest. You can enjoy. You can get her a decent night's sleep because the adrenaline and then it's calmed down. We did, not to sort of besmirch a thing that we feel lucky about, but in 2019, we played often like direct support or third to the top of every festival. And Billy's first album was so big that year, and I remember like the feeling of like we'd always be playing at sunset or something like that, and we'd walk off stage, and you'd walk by like the headliner's crew, and you'd be like beat that motherfucker like that whole the vibe was so exciting yeah and also again it's like the audience is still fresh and then we headlined all those festivals in 2021 and 2022 and that was a huge honor but it was way more stressful first of all the inverse like i remember specifically playing austin city limits and billy was headlining and doja cat was right before her and i remember being so intimidated by how good she was you know that's sort of like oh my god we have to follow that it was so stressful you know and billy's amazing but that was my private feeling of like this is when she's singing do you play as well billy yeah yeah i've been playing in her band so you're going to be doing your own bit and then going back on stage to support help i'll do as much as i can but yeah the billy is on tour right now without me for the first time can she manage she's doing great yeah she's got a great crew and a great band and we miss each other but but your voice is so special if you're doing any vocals that's very that's very sweet but but can she replace or or mom there's a thing called backing yeah she has backing tracks she also has two of her really close girlfriends singing with her uh these sisters that she's known for years ava and jane who uh have beautiful voices also and they have a nice blend how's your rider gonna differ from your sisters okay i'm curious to know what you think about your rider My rider is purposefully very boring because when I first started touring, it was stuff like Oreos and chocolate bars and crackers.

18:39And then I would eat those every day and feel bad. So now my rider is like an apple and a ginger shot and some sparkling, like really boring so that I'm not eating junk food every day. I know. My band has a slightly sexier rider in their room. so they'll have like the Haribo and maybe like and they'll always kind of go in there and steal a bit. I do this too. Yeah. This is, yeah. But my mum comes into my room and she's literally like what is this shit? So boring. So boring. There's nothing to drink properly. And then you get my warm bottle of champagne out of the... Alright, if you were headlining a show what would your writer be?

19:14Oh, I'd have lobster, caviar. Naked men. Naked men. Being served by naked men. Smoked salmon. Yeah, but I mean I can imagine the smell of that when you're doing hair and makeup for three hours or whatever. Lobster caviar and naked men. I think you would tire of naked men so fast. I wouldn't have naked men. Jessie's trying to big me up as a party. I lost my voice this weekend. I think it sounds kind of good. No, because I had a party. Is it your birthday? Yeah. Happy birthday. Thank you, darling. And people didn't leave till two o 'clock. And then I was very tired the next day. What did you do for your birthday?

19:51I went out for lunch with Jessie and her husband and children and my son. Yeah. Fun. Which is my favourite. Wholesome. Yeah. Very good. And then I had a party. And she arrived. At the house. Yeah. Until two in the morning. Yeah. You guys playing music? Were you singing? No. This is what I said. I said, was there any music? I would play music. But I've just got to tell you, when you get a bit older, no one can hear anything. So if I had music in the background, I started off with my music in the background, no one could hear because everyone's hard of hearing. Wait a minute. Three people had to turn the hearing aids up.

20:23So I had to turn the music off. So I thought that maybe the reason you lost your voice was shouting over music. But it was actually just that you had deaf friends. There were 30 odd people in this room. That's a lot of people. And 30 people in a room. Yeah, we moved around a bit. 30 people in a room gets really echoey. And it does get quite loud. It was loud. That's a big pet peeve of mine at a restaurant. Me too. If it's too loud, it drives me crazy. You know, I went out to a restaurant the other day. and actually I think this was the stock well Goldie's where is are you like you've returned it was gorgeous but I couldn't hear four of us actually couldn't hear Johnny my friend has got an app that tells you which restaurant is the loudest no that sounds so Karen of him it's the most old I don't care that's geriatric I don't care does he check the decibel Jesse I don't want to go somewhere where I can't his own speed there's a restaurant I'm doing a shout out so you learn there's a restaurant called Hippo in Los Angeles in Highland Park that's really good it's too loud put some stuff on the ceiling it's just absurd you walk in there and it hurts your ears it's so loud, just from people talking all modern restaurants are all hard there's no flat wall paper anymore or carpet most places aren't even wood they're metal and marble reflective surfaces, glass but if you're going out for dinner and there's four or five people you want to be able to hear what they're saying take me back to growing up with your sister, your mom and dad, and eating around the dinner table.

21:54Who was cooking and what were you eating? What's a memorable dish? Our mom is a great cook, much like your mom. And she loved to cook all sorts of stuff. I mean, we were little kids, right? So I'm picturing meals for picky eaters. I'm picturing things like spaghetti and marinara and garlic bread. She was always good, and I bet you were good also. So like she cooked vegetables like broccoli really well. And I think when you have, as a kid, sometimes kids find vegetables a little gross. But I think it's because sometimes they're not cooked particularly well. You know what I mean? Or they're not seasoned or whatever.

22:28And as a kid, like I had no complaints with some broccoli or some asparagus or something. You know what I mean? Some spinach, whatever. Yeah, I remember liking that. She made a yellow curry that we really loved. Was there like tofu in it? tofu and carrot and potato and peas Phineas do you like tofu? I love tofu yeah this is the thing tofu is a texture but there's so many ways to I feel like if you had a mappo tofu or something I would not like that either but tofu is like any sort of protein you can cook it so many ways and it's very absorbent of flavor. It's so good. The place that she's talking about, the jitlata place, like I bet the tofu is so good at jitlata.

23:19I've had, I've had tofu at jitlata. It's so good. It's not, it's just like kind of smooth sponge. No, no, no. You can cook it to a, you can char it and grill it and you can make it crispy. It's so malleable. Do you cook it? Yeah, I love to cook. Okay. So if we were coming around for dins, what would be on the menu? I'll tell you what my favorite thing to do has become. I go to either the farmer's market if it's a weekend or I'll go to a store like McCall's in Outwater and they have such good fresh produce and I see what's there. You know, I just went recently and I was like, wow, that asparagus looks so incredible.

23:54And I, either I know a recipe or I'll look up, you know, Japanese sweet potato recipe, asparagus recipe, and I'll look up these recipes and I'll kind of make amalgams of recipes that I like and then I'll, I'll sort of freestyle. So, um, that would probably be my favorite way to do it. It would be like a couple weeks ago, like the best looking peaches I'd ever seen at this store. And we just made like a burrata peach situation on some toast. It was so good. Delicious. Can you eat burrata? Yeah, I'm vegetarian. Oh, you're vegetarian. Yeah. I wish someone had told me. It's fine. It's fine. Okay. I like to eat vegan.

24:27I love to eat vegan. This would be great. I have to fly. This is good for the people on my plate. I was going to ask you, what's the vegan food like? And which airline does the best vegetarian food? The food on airplanes is horrible. I love it. I love airline meals. I just love them. I love the neatness of them. I love that they're small. I think it sounds to me like you like bento. Yes, maybe. You probably do like that. You like little bits and bobs. I like bits and bobs and I love being served. I can't argue with either of these two things. I think it's cute to see the symmetry of a little bit of rice.

25:04Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. A little cookie, tiny cookie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the food on airplanes is terrible. I can't agree with you about airplanes. So what are you going to do for your long haul to LA? Are you going to bring your own meal? You're going to Prats. Well, first of all, I'm only going to New York, so it's not as long. Oh, that's easy. But I'll probably go to a Pret-a-Manger at the airport, and I'll grab some veggie sandwich or something. Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, I mean, if you haven't tried the posh cheese and pickle baguette. I had the posh cheese and pickle baguette yesterday.

25:33It's fantastic. It's really good. It's fantastic. I was pretty shocked. Now somebody's tipped us off that you do very good impressions. Who ratted me out on this? Did Benny tell you that? No, your team told me. Now, I've never known. I Googled. What is this person drinking tea? I can do the one that the impression that I'll do that will... Were you about to say will blow your mind? I was not about to say that. I was about to say that'll make any sense. Because people that do impressions do impressions of celebs, right? Yes. And I do impressions of friends of mine. are you about to do a Benny Blanco it could only be Benny that would be the only person that would make sense to you and we're going to go to gelada this food is literally it's going to turn you on you're going to want to fuck the bad CU exactly exactly what he said that was really good that was really good but that's my Achilles heel all my impressions are friends of mine and so if you don't know my friend David, why would you care about my impression of David?

26:39Well, that was very good and I like that and he'll love it. Should we eat a little bit? I would love to eat a little bit. Can I help you carry stuff? You are such a gent, Phineas. I'll help you carry stuff. Okay. What a guy. Probably starving. Come on, Len. I'm in that jet lag state where my body... I don't know what time it is. Yeah, when I eat, I'm going to be delighted but my body thinks it's the middle of the night so I'm, you know... Thank you, Mum. It's strange.

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28:20That's shockingly good guacamole for the UK. This has got cashew cream in it. Isn't it impressive? Yeah, it's really good. I think you, who seem to have some misgivings about cooking vegan, cannot deny. Yeah. But you cannot deny that it's fun to find out what things. You're saucy. You're saucy. Now she's showing her real colors. But it's fun to find out what things can substitute, right? There's some promise in the fridge. There is more food than I could possibly eat on the table. I'm not concerned. This tastes like American Thanksgiving. I'm very happy about this. Oh, good. Well, yeah. Let's talk about American Thanksgiving.

28:59It's coming up for you. It is, yeah. What's going to be on the table for you? And where are you going to have it? I've learned from my mom how to make a great mashed potato. Sweet? No, like a regular mashed potato. Okay. We make a great vegan pumpkin pie, a great vegan mushroom gravy. It's really good. A yam dish. It's great. I love Thanksgiving. Is your girlfriend vegetarian too? Omnivorous. okay fine your girlfriend she's been in two of the videos right yes and she's on the cover she is on the cover yeah now but and it's a little a little much of me you know what i mean no but and she's gorgeous and you're very much in love and so true but this album is not about it's obviously not about her because because it's mostly sad star fucker i don't think yeah like you're very happy and you feel like you you know the one the one um 2001 you're like where are you running yeah where you going yeah so so she's there to stay you know you're very so good so how did she feel playing the kind of role of this yes problematic yeah i probably had her in the on the cover and in the music videos to make up for the fact that she's not that's not really who the album's about um the album is not really about a a love interest of mine it's sort of about like past experiences I've been through and you know I try to I don't know what's your relationship you've written so many songs I love what's your relationship with with sort of present day in your songs I loved actually hearing you speak about this that your mum used to teach you to write a story song write when you and Billy were younger and you'd sing and write about a story and I think I've heard you talking about how you you kind of play a role in some of your...

30:53Yeah, absolutely. That's the way that it was freeing when I realized that it didn't all have to be autobiographical. Yeah, you've got a family you love and a mom you love and what are you supposed to do? Write about that all the time only? That's not that interesting. Yeah, and actually, as soon as I kind of lent into the more fantasy world, it was far more freeing, it was more fun, and people dug it. They didn't want to fucking hear about me being up all night with my kids. You know what I mean? Right. Who wants to fucking hear about that? Right. Do you want some bread, darling? I'm feeling so good with my mushrooms and my...

31:23Mum, this is really delicious. This mushroom thing is really good. There's umami in there. It's very umami. It's very... It's got nutritional yeast. Oh, that's the umami then. Nutritional yeast is so good. Mum... It's soggy at the bottom. I don't mind the soggy bot. Do you know about soggy bottoms? Yeah. Do you watch Bake Off? Oh, yeah. Does everybody? It's kind of like... I don't know if everybody does, but... You know that's on Netflix. Yeah. But again, my mum's an avid cook and maybe an even more accomplished baker. So I grew up watching a lot of Bake Off. What was your birthday cake that you would request?

31:55Okay, my birthday cake that I would request was an orange cake. Like a cake with citrus and orange zest. And then little layers of dark chocolate. Like crunchy dark chocolate. Oh my god, it sounds amazing. Like a totally chocolate orange cake. But how do you make that vegan? You know, this is like... I haven't baked as much vegan as my mom has. Or use oil. Yeah. but man it's shocking I swear on my life if you had the cakes that my mom makes you would have I mean it no idea that they're vegan you'd really not be able to tell it's very impressive I cook vegan all the time I love eating vegan how long are you in New York for?

32:35I've been in New York for a while I've been in New York for like two weeks oh okay are there any spots that you're definitely going to go and eat when you get there? I'm going to go to a place called Gem Wine I love Gem Wine there's this chef named I think Flynn McGeary who's a sort of a child prodigy chef. He started cooking at 11 Madison Park when he was 14. Right. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And I got to know him through Daniel, the chef at 11 Madison. Okay. And he's got this amazing restaurant called Gem Wine that I really think is so delicious. What area is it in? East Village. It's so good. And the vibe is great.

33:14But the food is amazing. It's one of those places, much like here today, where they just cook for you. They just bring stuff out, which I love. I love that. Because they also portion it right. If you go to a restaurant, like I had this at DeJumme yesterday, where I ordered so much food, but I ordered too much. And then you sit there and you feel either like you're going to die from overeating or you feel like you're wasting food. So I love a place where they just bring you stuff, you know. So, Last Supper. Before I die. Before you're going away to a desert island, because we did used to do Last Supper Before You Die, but then...

33:46Too morbid? Well, we used to say death row, and it got people a bit upset, so we changed it to Last Supper. Okay. You're not dying. You're going to a desert island, you're not going to have this food for a good few years. Okay. Starter, main, dessert, drink of choice. Okay. I'm an orange wine guy. I love an orange wine. A little natty wine, are you? A little natty wine, skin contact. I will say if we're going non-alcoholic, which I'm happy to, Orangina, the French seltzer beverage. That's my beverage of choice. But otherwise it would be an orange wine. I love an orange wine. Where do you get your wine from in LA?

34:22There's a place called Wine and Egg in Atwater Village. I was in Atwater the other day. And I saw it and I said, what a funny place, Wine and Egg. I know, instead of wine and cheese, right? Sounds kind of like my kind of spot. It was really good. Yeah. and okay so let's see appetizer I'm a big fan of like a farro salad what is farro farro is like a grain farro is like a grain it's kind of like a it's like if it's like if quinoa and rice had a baby that was better and so you have this salad that's whatever you know a lettuce like this and then this farro that adds this kind of crunch to it feels very filling I love that wherever you have a delicious farro it's a really easy farro salad at a place called Farfalla in Los Angeles which I love and so that might be my app there's also a restaurant in LA called All Time that I eat at all the time and they've got a great salad, not a farro salad I went there the other day and I didn't think I was going to do this but you've done it with Hippo so I'm going to do it with All Time I've been there many a time they suggested I ate the Wagyu beef burrito it was a special I went there with a meal Do you know a meal, Haney?

35:34I do, yeah. So we went there. I was very excited. When I tell you... You went for lunch or something, right? No, we went for breakfast. Late breakfast. And they were like, you must try it. Because I know their burrito is wicked. Their burrito is good. So I was like, well, the Wagyu. Let's fucking go. Fancy. When I tell you the pishiest portion of Wagyu... I mean, I know what this sounds like. It's a first world problem and I understand. Just meaning there's a tiny, tiny amount of Wagyu. I mean, not even. You gave me a fucking potato wrap all the time. Anyway. so i think what's your order i think their breakfast is fine i love their dinner to me the dinner is the reason to go there okay so what's your order there yeah so they have an unbelievable japanese sweet potato they have an unbelievable gnocchi like a um tomato uh basil gnocchi that's so good okay um those would be on the appetizer or those would be on the main list.

36:27There's also, let's see, okay, there's a place in LA called Girl and the Goat that I love. It's not from LA, I think it's from Chicago. Stephanie. Yep. Amazing. But they have this dish that, okay, so they're not a vegetarian place, but they have this pulled pork dish. They serve this pulled pork with this like pita bread and this wrap and all these dips and these hummuses. And they do a vegetarian version where it's like a mushroom, like a pull apart, probably like an oyster mushroom or something. Oh my God. That might be my main. And then for dessert, I'm going to go all time. All time has a cake called Paul's Chocolate Cake that I could eat every day.

37:03Who's Paul? Paul is one, I think probably Paul is either their, you know, CDC or their, you know, sous chef or something. But Paul does a cake that is unbelievable. So that would be my dessert of choice there. Can I talk about another food grape I have in LA? This is, my friends are so sick of hearing me talk about it, but you are fresh victims because you haven't heard. Okay, I live on the east side. There's a place in Silver Lake called Au Bon Mee that makes the best bon mis. Okay. And I'm a big bon mi fan. What are these? It's a Vietnamese sandwich. In my case, I get mine with tofu, but you can get yours with pork or with chicken.

37:39It's like a French bon mi. B-A-N-H-M-I. Bon mi. Bon mi. I've never ever known. You could get one in London for sure. Yeah, they're so good. Delicious. Okay, here's my beef with this place. Yeah. First of all, it's one of those places, and it must be challenging, where their hours that the internet says and that they are open are completely different. So you look it up and it's like open, and you go and it's not open. It's either not open that day or it's not out. So very unreliable. Fine. On the wall of their actual establishment, it says 11 to 3, Monday through Friday. Not open on the weekends.

38:17Whatever. Not my restaurant. Yeah. the amount of times I've gone between 2pm and 3pm and they're closed which again, it says they're open on the wall of their own restaurant have they sold out? no, no, no and here's where it amuses me so I go not that long ago at 2.30 and they're very much closed, pulling the gate shut on the thing and I show up and I go, you guys are closed and the guy, he goes, yeah And he looks at me and he goes, 3 p.m. And I go, hey, it's not 3. It's like 2.30. And he's like, thank you, bye. This is like Caribbean three seats. And then, yeah, I know. And it makes me sound a little douchey.

39:01No. But I go back and I go this time at like 1.45. And they're open because it's 1.45. And I go and I order and I sit down. And I sit down and I'm eating my sandwich. And they start to close the whole restaurant around me. And I'm there at like 2.10. And it's like, that's so funny to me because how many times have you been at a restaurant and then you realize you've been there with your friend for too long and it's been hours and they're just still letting you hang out. It's very sweet of them. And I love that I'm in there eating. I've just ordered. I'm waiting on my sandwich and they're like, you know, getting all this stuff.

39:35I'm sorry, we have to go. Putting the chairs on the table. Yes, exactly. Anyway, so that's their, you know, that you choose to love it and their food is to the Vietnamese place. Do you need a tea or a coffee or anything? I'm great. Thanks for asking. He's gonna have to have one of my birthday baclobats. Why? You have baclobats? I love baclobats. I didn't make it, but because I thought we're vegan, I've got vegan-y kind of dessert. She's blessed if you bring it completely. It really stresses her out. Look at all this. Have you eaten quince before? No, what's quince? Oh! This is what a quince looks like.

40:11It's a bit like a pear. And when you poach them, they go quite red. Cool. And so I got you quince. They're gorgeous. They're kind of, have you ever had a manchego cheese and like membrio, like the quince jelly? Yeah, that sounds right. That's quince. Yeah. There's a real chaos to this podcast that I quite enjoy. Did you not get warned? This is quite civil for us, actually. If we had the old natty wine out, anything could have happened. I like it. Right. So what have you got? Coconut. This is coconut yogurt because I thought you didn't have anything else. Again, I can't stress enough how much I'm pro-vegan stuff.

40:52I support the agenda. Can I ask, do you always get on well with your sister? Do you fight? Yeah, but, you know, I look at you guys getting on well. Yeah, working together is tough, isn't it? Sure. Yeah. I would actually say that working together in some ways is like, we just fight because we're like different people. but we kind of work together well. I don't know if that makes sense to you guys. No? I don't know. I don't know if we work well together but I love you. I think the whole point of the podcast is we don't. Yeah, exactly. What do you think of Clint? I thought it was really good. I think it's got a funny aftertaste today.

41:30No, I love him. Okay, good. It's crunchy. I don't know. And I like this coconut yogurt. Do you? Yeah. Do you want to take it with you? To fly to New York? Three customs. Yeah, I think they would not even let me. they'd be like you're taking the hugest open coconut yogurt and you want to bring this on the flight and I'd be like yeah he's at the airport darling no I think he's fine I think the drug dog would lose its mind it would be like give me I need that yogurt do they still do that yeah a telle they never stop you why would they stop I heard that the dogs aren't smelling for drugs they're smelling for fear I don't know one person told you that I don't know it's not that I've been discussing how to Can I tell you why I don't think that's true?

42:15Because I think a lot of people are afraid of flying. I think they would just be pulling over people left and right. Yeah. Yeah. I have to say that I, please let my children get on and not that they necessarily are going to become the kind of greatest writing duo. But the way, watching the documentary and just like, you have to kind of steer the ship a lot at the beginning, in the edit. When Billy was so young, yeah. Bless her. like she was what 16 younger oh in the dark yeah 15, 16, 17 and I do I have so much respect with how you spoke to each other because she's a teenager and you're what how old are you I mean I was 19 20 I was still young you're a teenager too and the way you speak to each other are you older than Billy I am yeah I'm four years older have you got other brothers and sisters just the two of us just the two I think boys and one boy and one girl gets on better than when there's just girls.

43:13Yeah I bet it's case by case I definitely think that there is a sort of a differentiation of that there's a gender divide where you're not sort of comparing yourself to your brother the same way. The thing that I've noticed with Jessie's children two boys they fight play fight or it drives me nuts. It's so exhausting. Like pretending to hit each other or actually hitting each other. Rolling around the floor. Actually hitting each other. like loving their head but like also loving it it's just and then my daughter the eldest just looking at them being like oh my god you're so awful like stop she's very kind she's very kind it's like idiotic boys just like touching and hitting each other it's like they all love it I'm sure you didn't have to do that with your sister so you like we'd scrap we'd scrap for sure Mike the cutest sibling behaviour I've observed in the last couple years and again I haven't met your kids I'm sure they're so cute was I I know Marcus Mumford a little bit.

44:11And I spent some time with his son Wilfred and Evie. This is now three or something years ago. We're walking through Prospect Park in New York, pouring rain, as New York sometimes does. And I'm with Evie, his daughter, and Wilfred is up with Claudia, probably something like that. And I was wearing a hat, it was pouring rain, and I gave my hat to Evie. And without a moment's hesitation, Evie took the hat and went and gave it to Wilfred. to like cover his face. And I was just like, that's very beautiful. It was really just like one of the cutest. That is so sweet. And she was like, he hates to get his hair wet.

44:47I was like, oh, okay. We were in this rainstorm and the ulterior motive made me laugh so hard. We're in the rainstorm and Evie goes, Daddy, I think Pinkberry might be the most ideal place to take shelter. And I was like, all right. She's got it right. Like the scheme of not just saying I'd love to go to Pinkberry but to be like that's where we can drive and not be in the storm anymore I was like wow she's also like six or whatever at the time she was so young that is amazing your English accent yeah it's amazing it slips in and out that one I can I'm like a parrot I heard a phrase and I can repeat it it's taxi drivers that are doing it for you while I'm in England true true black cab drivers would you do any more acting I'd love to yeah I'd love to it blew my mind when I found out that you were in Glee yeah Yeah, I'm sort of closeted about that.

45:39No, but... I mean... Just tell me, were you part of the Glee choir? Yeah. So did you know Amber? Did you ever meet Amber Riley or had she gone by then? I met Amber. So they... Amber was among the people who were on the earlier seasons and then leave. Right. But I was on the last four episodes. So she came back for one or two episodes. So I met her briefly. She was very sweet. She was amazing. But also, like, for them, there's this huge, significant... period of their life with all these people they'd spent years with and here I am like a person they've never met and I'm standing right next to them in this scene and they're all like very nice but you know how it is when you're around close close people you and there's one stranger and so they're like hi I'm Amber like nice to meet you but then back to you know what I mean like it was an odd experience for me because I was like watching these people with these nuanced long relationships.

46:33You know what I mean? Yeah, of course. It's challenging. You can do anything you put your mind to, Phineas, it seems. Amazing album. What would be your next role? If I could do anything? I'd love to do some theatre. I love theatre. I think you'd be great. In LA or New York? Not LA. No, New York. The theatre I've seen. Is there a theatre in LA? I mean, I would do a work of a playwright I like anywhere. So there's a playwright right now called Brandon Jacob Jenkins that is amazing that had a play that might still be running called Appropriate with Sarah Paulson on Broadway that's amazing and a play called The Comeuppance that I saw that I was really blown away by so I'd just do I'd audition for whatever like certain Have you got tickets for any plays in New York?

47:19I have actually I'm going to go see a play called Stereophonic which is a musical that is supposed to be amazing it's kind of about the making of an album in like Laurel Canyon it's sort of like a Fleetwood Mac You should go see Is Jake's one starting next week? Tammy Faye. Tammy Faye. What about Tammy Faye? There's a Tammy Faye play? There's an Elton John. They made a Tammy Faye play. Yeah, so Elton John and Jake Shears did it. It's a musical. Good for them. It did amazingly. In the West End. In the West End. It was in Almeida. It was in Almeida, yeah. Which is a great, great theatre. Tiny theatre.

47:51Cool. But if it's on, you should go to it. Okay, cool. It's just opening now. You like musicals. I'm such a fan of musicals that I'm very critical of them. because I love them so much that when they're not very good, I'm frustrated. Okay, what's your favourite musical? Of all time, maybe Sweeney Todd. I love Sweeney Todd. I love some Phantom of the Opera, like classic musicals. Next time you're in London, give me your dates and we'll go to the theatre. I would love to do that. Well, look, you better get to the airport and get that coconut yoghurt through. See how good luck with it. But before we let you go, can you give us a nostalgic taste, happy or sad?

48:26Okay. Great one.

48:32nostalgic, taste, happy, or sad. I don't know if your kids are like this. As a child, I had just so much anxiety and weird existential dread. For no reason. I was living a very nice life. But I did spend a lot of my time with separation anxiety and just sort of nervous about stuff. So I have a lot of memories of like, you know, as a kid you have a treat. You go to an ice cream parlor or something like that. and eating my ice cream and just feeling like worried about the state of the world. Just a little bit goofy. Oh, God, I'm sorry. There's a place in L.A. called the Spaghetti Factory. That's a pretty nostalgic place for me.

49:08They have Spamoni ice cream. What's Spamoni ice cream? Spamoni is like an Italian alt to a Neapolitan. It's pistachio and cherry and chocolate. Ooh. So Spamoni ice cream is a pretty nostalgic. And would you be eating your ice cream just worrying about the, Oh, mate. I'd be like eating ice cream on my sister's birthday. Yeah. On my sister's birthday thinking about how we're all going to die one day or something like that. Are you still a worrier? Much less so. I got it all out as a child. My daughter's going through that at the moment. She thinks that she's going to, someone's going to steal us through the window.

49:45Dude, I used to think my parents were imposters. Oh. Not you were an imposter. Did you think you were adopted? No, but I was thinking. I'll go through that. Yes, but it was probably from reading Coraline or something. This is the thing that's fucked her up. I'd talk to my mom and I'd be like, what's my favorite color? I'd be quizzing them on stuff. That's so fascinating. So goofy. What food or implement could you not do without? What could I not do without? I mean, Jessie, yours would be Marmite or something. Mine would be Marmite, yeah. What could I not do without? What's a staple for me? I mean, probably, this is a California thing, but avocado.

50:27Yeah. Avocado's great. Do you want me to take a cup in the hand? Again, I'll take guacamole that'll be brown by the time I land in New York. Yeah, avocado is the thing I probably eat every day. Yeah. I mean, they're so good in LA, too. They are bloody good. Have you got an avocado tree? I do. Are you doing your own kind of growing? I don't have a garden like Benny does, but I have some trees. Finney's, did you grow up in LA? I did. So are you friends with people, all the people that, like the Heim girls? Did you know them growing up? It's quite vast. Well, I know. I mean, I feel like now I know the Heim girls because we're in music, but I didn't know them.

51:07But I did, you know, who I knew growing up was I would play in Battles of the Bands with Phoebe Bridgers. Really? Yeah. Who won, Phineas? Are you kidding? Phoebe won. Yeah, so I knew Phoebe through high school. I'm trying to think of who else I knew growing up. But yeah, it's a funny, it's a small pool of people that grew up in LA. Yeah, it is. And were your parents working in LA? They were trying. I mean, they were actors that were mainly out of work. So my mom taught classes and baked cakes for people. And my dad was a carpenter and a construction worker mainly. Yeah. When are you playing in London again?

51:45Or Europe? I'm playing the Apollo on... Hammersmith? Amazing! on April 17th. We start in Dublin, I think on like the 14th. And then we play the Eventim on the 17th. Well, I just love the album. That's so kind of you. It was gorgeous. Thank you. Good luck with the promo. Thank you. Thanks for letting me do this. This was so much fun. It's such a pleasure. We really like, I appreciate that you fitted this in before going to the airport. And it's really nice to chat to you, to hear your stories. Such a treat to be here. Thank you for cooking for me. It was such good food. Thank you for coming. Thanks for the baklava.

52:19Delicious. And yeah, good luck on that flight. Let's go to the West End next time I'm here. I'd love that. Yeah, we'll see what's going on. When I'm here for the Apollo show, it sounds like I'll have a day off before and we'll go to the West End. Let's see what's going on. Hopefully it's not a Monday. No, we'll work it out. It'll be okay. I'm going to do a whole day date for you. We're going to eat well and we'll go to a matinee. Awesome.

52:58Well, Mum, you could have done eggs. However, your mushroom tart was really delicious. Yeah. How do you feel? I feel like I would have done something else. And I certainly feel like whoever wrote that recipe was on the stingy side. What, for the mushrooms? Yeah, it said three cups of sliced mushrooms. There were six or eight cups in there and it still wasn't full. Maybe it was a smaller dish. I think it was a flatter dish. But even then, I like a full... You like a full dish. Yeah, and I think I'd double the recipe next time. Would you do the recipe again? No. Okay. But I'm glad I can make cashew cream now.

53:39Phineas, I think, has to be up there. Top two gents of table manners. Yeah, very complimentary. got up helped clear the table brought up very well well done Maggie and Patrick thank you so much to Phineas his album for Crying Out Loud is out now and he'll be on tour in Europe next year so check it out because he's incredibly gifted and just a nice guy and very talented and you've just brought out the most delicious meringues that I wish we'd given to him sorry chocolate meringues a la Ansoini yeah I love the quince I'm not sure about that the quints today. Yeah, I think you're wrong. Maybe just had one dodgy bit.

54:20Maybe I did. Anyway, thank you so much for everyone listening and we'll see you next week.

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