Gracie Abrams

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0:35Lennie Ware: Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're here in Mum's kitchen today on what is going to be a very hot week in London. Yep. I just bought loads of dresses that aren't going to arrive in time for the heatwave. So that was stupid. Why did you do that? I don't know. It was like impulse stress. Okay. How was your weekend, Mum? I was travelling, darling. Oh, yeah.

0:58Jessie Ware: Have you forgotten? I actually had. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm a jet-legged woman. Oh, Mum. Not even, I was going to say jet-legged because my seat didn't work on the plane. That is so annoying. So it didn't go up, and then when it went up, we managed to jack it up. We couldn't get it back down. So then when the lady put her seat back, the one in front, I couldn't get out of my seat. Oh, my... Because my legs were up like that, and I couldn't move.

1:27Lennie Ware: I went to Harry Styles on Friday, which was really fab at Wembley Stadium. What was your best song? I love when he does treat people with kindness. I also... He sang an old one, didn't he? What do you mean an old one?

1:41Jessie Ware: I don't know. They said he sang...

1:42Lennie Ware: Also, Sign of the Times is a fantastic song. Did everyone join in? Yeah. Yeah. And then on Saturday, Sam and I DJed at our friend's 40th. Good. I've got the bug, Mum. I'm going to get some decks.

1:55Jessie Ware: Are you?

1:55Lennie Ware: Me and Sam, that's going to be our quality time going back to back.

1:58Jessie Ware: That could be your name, back to back. Oh, Lenny.

2:02Lennie Ware: Oh. Anyway, today we have the superstar that is Gracie Abrams on the podcast. She has had such huge success in the last, what, six years with her two records. And then she had a massive deluxe record. She is huge.

2:22Jessie Ware: Is she one of those people that all the women love and men absolutely think she's gorgeous as well?

2:29Lennie Ware: I think also men really respect the music too. Like Sam and I had the album on in the car on our drive back. And he was like, God, I can so imagine this all being sung at a festival and everyone like hands in the air. She kind of does euphoria and heartbreak. She's good with words. She's great with words, but her melodies are also just insane. Does she play an instrument? piano, guitar. Wow. She's really talented. Yeah. And she has a new record out called Daughter from Hell and it's out in July on the 17th. So she's coming over and we're going to cook for her. Well, I'm not going to cook anything, but what have you made, Lenny?

3:07Lennie Ware: I've made a savoury Dutch baby.

3:09Jessie Ware: Explain to people that don't know what a Dutch baby is. It's basically a very big Yorkshire pudding. A cross between a Yorkshire pudding and a pancake. Delish. And I'm going to serve it with smoked salmon, creme fraiche infused with lemon and lots of herbs in the Dutch baby and dill on top. And then I've made my mixed berry compote that you weren't very impressed with. You don't like a mixed berry compote. You thought it was a bit, a bit meh. Anyway, I'm serving it.

3:38Lennie Ware: I don't know. It doesn't like make me, you know.

3:41Jessie Ware: I'm serving it with my very most favorite thing at the moment the Marks and Spencer's vanilla yogurt I could eat tubs of it and then you've well you haven't but you've by proxy yeah by proxy

3:54Lennie Ware: I was on cookies because mum did get in from LA yesterday so by proxy my sweet Rosie has done the New York Times banana cookies banana oat cookies banana everything cookies or something But the reason that we're doing this, because mum told me to tell Rosie to do them, because apparently they are Gracie Abrams' favourite. She used to make them all the time, which I now am thinking that's a really bad idea to give somebody a cookie that they know the recipe very, very well.

4:27Jessie Ware: She might appreciate it, darling.

4:28Lennie Ware: Maybe, but otherwise she'd be like, God, this is not as good as mine. Anyway, so Rosie's just driven them over. Can I just say, I didn't do it. I had a blood test this morning. I had to get there at seven o 'clock. I'm very sorry. I will do the next put

4:41Jessie Ware: Jessie you're okay you're not dying

4:44Lennie Ware: blood tests at seven I had to do a blood test in a certain time of my cycle you know very important stuff being a woman so yeah we've got quite a delicious brunchy breakfast to give Bracey X this morning yeah it is can't wait to chat her

5:12Lennie Ware: Gracie Abrams. Hey. As I live and breathe. Hi. Looking dewy and gorgeous and fabulous. I'm the only person in London that's in a long sleeve today. It's a mistake. Except it feels so nice and cool in here. How are you finding it here? I love it. I love it. I feel like there was always sort of something about LA that I, even having grown up there, struggled to sort of... Really? I felt like social integration was just tougher for me. And here I feel right at home. So it's lucky. Yeah.

5:46Jessie Ware: What makes you feel at home here? The pubs. Oh, you're a pub girl. Yes. I think something about the, like having these kind of centers where everyone in the community, like pets and children and, you know, full family. Yeah, I guess LA doesn't have that. No, it's less.

6:05Lennie Ware: They have dog parks. Yeah, that I'm a fan of too. But I don't have my dog over here right now. You have a dog. Yeah, but he lives in LA with my family. So, yes, you're LA born and bred. Yeah. Yep. Who was around the dinner table when you were growing up and what's a memorable dish from your childhood? Okay. Dinner, we would do roast chicken often. Like kind of just easy one pan chicken, which is still my favorite food. Like a tray bake. Yeah. Like carrots and onions and thyme and all that. Yeah. Which is my favorite food still, I would say. And it was my brothers and both my parents. And I had a set of grandparents who lived in L.A.

6:45as well. So they would pop over when they could. But otherwise, it was just immediate family. And then on Fridays, we had, which is kind of like my favorite part of growing up, we would have these, like all families that happened to be from the East Coast but had found their way to L.A. for some reason. And we were all sort of raised like siblings. Every Friday we would get together and have pizza in the park. And it became this like, yeah. And that was like our weekly tradition. And that's who we have Thanksgiving with. That's like, you know, was called Friday group. And it still is like a strong second family, but they feel like just, you know.

7:23What's your topping on your pizza? I like a sausage and onion. Sausage and onion. To be honest. What, Italian sausage? Yeah, like a spicy kind of.

7:35Jessie Ware: fine delicious i like it with fennel yes yeah spicy sausage and so where where are you getting

7:40Lennie Ware: your pizza from in la is it always been the same place for pizza no it just no but just different and it depends who was ordering and whose house we were at because everyone lived in right okay zones but like new york is better pizza right i would say yes i would say so i get and i love joe's pizza which is i know is like the club but prince street is insane but that's kind of like quite bougie pizzas okay sort of and then are you eating pizza when you're in london if so what pizza are you eating oivita oh where's that i've only ever ordered on delivery from oivita but they i love it because it comes with like a little side of burrata oh so it feels kind of like this

8:20Jessie Ware: ask lenny what she thinks of you hate it hate it why it's the texture yeah it's like oozy and yeah

8:28Lennie Ware: it's not very no i like that do you like that yeah i like oozy i like i like dips to go with my pizza bones it's kind of i it doesn't really i think unless you're doing it up it doesn't taste like much so i get there's not really some great appeal i understand and it's not a salad and people kind of try to make it yeah it's not it's not a salad it's not a salad um so mom i've known gracies i when did i remember the first time i met you you remember i remember because i couldn't forget you because you were kind of shaking so hard to be in the same room as you probably please oh please you definitely were a teenager i'm gonna say 16 maybe 17 yeah yeah yeah wow um it was at benny blanco's place in west hollywood yeah there's no longer and it was a party that he was hosting and it was kind of like a pool party and I remember you being there and being as beautiful as you were, like gorgeous and had this star quality.

9:30Lennie Ware: I hadn't heard any of your music. I don't even know if you were making music yet, but you were dating a mutual friend. But I don't know, were you making music at that point? Yeah, we were together actually and that relationship was also my first collaborative. Can I help at all? no not at all just please okay okay okay okay um we that wasn't the first time i ever wrote with anyone else ever like you know there's ever production involved but your music was so formative to that relationship it is you know when you but you know when like there's a song that feels so core to a relationship especially like your first love oh it was so central to that time and it was it's just uh it's so funny how things happen happen and then and now I get to sit at your table and then the last time I saw you was at BAFTA yeah and you were on the on the row on your own because your partner's film had just won another award yeah they were all doing a photo and you were there and you were clapping and it was so sweet your your performance was insane I don't know how you deal with that especially for that particular slot is like such an honor to but i mean you know about performing you've performed like i don't know whether you ever get have you have do you have coping strategies with how you like because it's always how can you get rid of the dry throat like the dry throat i don't know and i also weirdly um because we've had a break from tour since september and this is the longest break that we've had and this past week we just did bbc live lounge and it was the first performance that we've done in a minute and i was shocked at how uh scared i got it was like this weird i think because when you're used your nervous system adjusts to whatever the normal is and so for tour it stopped being a thing that i got nervous for like shows weren't freaking me out i think because you're with your people all the time it just feels like another day but i was really anxious I've kind of been like kind of anxiety's been shooting back up I think I think that's completely understandable you have this record which by the way I think is beautiful thank you daughter from hell thanks it's really I mean you are an accomplished songwriter of course but it's kind of meditative it's intimate it has like these moments that like you have uh look at my is it look at my life look at my life you are one of the greatest melody makers like your melodies no like literally my husband and i i was i we were driving yesterday it was perfect driving music we were listening the sums out and you know your melodies by the second chorus you're singing it along which is quite it's remarkable but also the storytelling in it is beautiful where does it's like a middle come from yeah it was the last song that i wrote for the album and it's a song for my mom and it's it's like an apology sort of and just thank you note as well and sort of this because i i felt i growing up i felt like i was quite difficult and i know i was difficult and And I think as I grow up and just have more perspective generally, but also more love for everyone in my life and more concern as a result for everyone in my life, I think about how heinous it must have been for my parents to...

13:12You were a challenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I now, you know, I think when you're a kid and you have whatever the dynamic is with your... family you don't ever imagine that it will be different and we've I think very much earned the closeness that we all have um which is such a gift but but uh has also made me feel like this weird try not to grip it too tight but I want as much time as I can get with them and as much of their um wisdom and they've been so patient with me my whole life and um anyway so that's the song is for my mom where did you come in the order of middle and i have an older brother and okay so

13:58Lennie Ware: i've had this this theory that middle children are you know no tricky yeah certainly i think well my older brother henry's a year older than i am okay and i think maybe because of the like pace at which girls maybe like develop quicker or more okay i don't know i was a bit more like socially I was kind of like ambitious and wanted to be older than I was and I think based on who in the house needed most immediate attention it sort of like left this gap for me to go try to find it elsewhere in places that were not always you know like smart or safe and so there was my my approach was like kind of sneak around and I think so you were naughty you were

14:49Jessie Ware: naughty yeah but isn't that about growing up and becoming independent for sure I definitely don't think I'm you know a particularly special case or anything but I I do still feel guilty can I also

15:02Lennie Ware: tell you one of my favorite on the record and forgive me if I can't say no yes of course the one where you go um if only you didn't adore me that is the if only oh good reason good oh that is like a mazzy start like oh i don't know if that i love that song it's heartbreaking thanks thank you i love that song thank you it's so beautiful sarah aarons i love sarah aarons she's brilliant she's amazing we did i miss you i'm sorry together you're she was the first person when I left college um she's the first person I had a session with and it was the best thing because it was like you know we were a few years apart and uh it was just I went over to her house and I remember being so scared having left school just kind of attempting to see what it would feel like to not be because I loved being in school I loved being with so many people my age and coming back to LA just felt so funny and odd when you say school yeah does that mean university

16:02Jessie Ware: University. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was only there for a year. And I loved it. What were you studying? International relations. Okay. And I, yeah, it wasn't like a I hate school, get me out. I really loved it. So it was kind of. Do you think you'd go back to it and finish it? Yeah, I'm still on a leave of absence. So I hope to return. I hate to break it to you, Gracie.

16:24Lennie Ware: I don't know if you're going to be going back anytime soon. I hope so. I hope so. I have a friend who went to Columbia as well, who he, Aaron Dessner, who I made the album with. We're like, he did graduate, but like, let's go back together. You're so young. How old are you? Because our campuses were attached. 26. Yeah, babe, you're like, you can get, my husband's retraining as an osteopath now and he's 40. Cool. Yeah, but like, that's convenient. Yeah, well, if he bloody do anything, I said, I said to him last night, I said, babe, my ankles are hurting a little bit and he went, oh, cool, and went back to his book.

16:55Can he do like massage?

16:56Lennie Ware: It's kind of fascia. Is it like in theory? Yeah,

17:02Lennie Ware: but um so if we were coming around to your house yes what would you be making for us braised leeks okay delicious which is my favorite food right now where were they inspired by like have you been somewhere and eaten them no actually this um oh cory larkin is her name i think oh i love her oh yes have you made her leeks no but they're the ones where they look very pretty I'm obsessed with her. Is this on Instagram? Yeah, she's really cool. I just did, for Vogue recently, did they have like a cooking series? Yes. And I just did that and I was so stressed about what to make and I've just made that a million times so I decided to go with that.

17:44And it was, it ended up being the best, the Anna Martini, which was my favourite drink ever. Gin. Extra dirty. What's your drink of choice? Mine is vodka.

17:54Lennie Ware: You say extra dirty, I say filthy. Yeah, that's probably the better way to say it. But I like, I go vodka, but I love it. And I had a big argument with Ralph Fiennes about, like, a blue cheese olive in there, too. I've actually never done a blue cheese olive. A little creaminess in it. Yeah, but won't it make you all cloudy? Yeah, but it's cloudy. I love when it's cloudy. I always get a sidecar of a brine. Yes. Yes. Oh. Where have you found the best martini in London? Trullo. Trullo. Okay. Where's Trullo? It's in Islington. Yeah. So you do us the braise leeks. Yeah. Is that like a main or a side or a starter?

18:34In my house, it is a main. Okay. But it is a starter. Are you having anything with it on the side? Yeah. Yeah, like roast. I mean, it's all kind of, I eat everything, but I've been making lots of like roast vegetable things these days. Roast carrots. Delicious. Again, sort of like, I think because my favorite food is like a one pan, just like slow roast meat plus veg. it's just like that's my fantasy but that the leeks with sourdough toasted just like pulled apart it's insanely good it's insanely good and I've also been making um lots of like different kinds of toasts like sardine toasts and things okay like tell me what you're doing yeah what do you put on the top of your sardines are you a vinegar girl no okay no I've been doing this like this this would kind of be like a lunch I suppose but oh my god what

19:30Jessie Ware: this is quite American Dutch baby it's a savoury one

19:35Lennie Ware: do you like a Dutch baby? yeah of course

19:38Jessie Ware: I've done it savoury and I was going to put smoked salmon and creme fraiche on it heaven oh my god when did you start getting into like have you always been a master chef

19:47Lennie Ware: she doesn't like cooking actually oh what why this gig because she's good at it yeah yeah yeah did you was this like did she always every meal growing up she always cooked yeah and she's always up for up for giving something a shot that's that does look impressive that is insane looks fab um smells so good i know um so okay so roasted stuff okay so roasted stuff but sardine toast yes sorry yes rubbed garlic on the bread yeah bread and then I've been doing like sun gold tomato all in a bowl like sun gold tomatoes ricotta shaved parm lots of parsley um it sounds delicious lemon zest and juice and then that goes down in the bread hot honey and sardines and it's so good that sounds absolutely it's so fresh did you make You can make this up yourself.

20:45Yeah. But this is after, like, many rounds of attempted sardine toast that was kind of, like, less impressive, you know. It's so delicious. It just tastes like summer.

20:55Lennie Ware: And then serving drinks, would you, because you make martinis. I don't ever make a martini, but I feel like maybe I should start. You should. But I don't do it in a nice way. I have, like, jars. You can just do it if you're doing it just for yourself, just in a jar. Like an old bean jar. But I also was told that a gin martini shouldn't be shaken. Okay. Why? I don't know. I don't know I was kind of like um after making one on the internet I was people were letting me know I did it super wrong I guess which I'm like but so you're getting trolled about your uh your you just gotta not look I was like oh I love my martinis oh my goodness oh mom looks beautiful

21:33Jessie Ware: that is insane gaudelina lovely it's a dutch baby that's now collapsed a bit but it's got smoked salmon dill and you make it with herbs and um a bit of parmesan sour cream but help yourself

21:46Lennie Ware: thank you and there's some avocado and things and no you help yourself no um and um okay so when we're coming around for our braised leeks yes um what music would you be playing at your party nina simone okay wow i've actually and then in well this is mornings so but i would just but on the way here after listening to your record I put on Billy Martin. Do you ever listen to her? No, should I listen to Billy Martin? Yeah, she's amazing. Okay, fine. You help yourself? No. Okay, fine. I mean, I will, but... I don't think you're a daughter from hell, actually. I think you're a very good daughter. You're very well brought up, Gracie Abrams.

22:20I'm going to do that.

22:21Jessie Ware: You do that, the rest of it. Thank you all. But I guess for cooking, I like to listen to Django Reinhardt when cooking... Just something that feels like up, you know what I mean? Okay. We, yeah, that's on in the house often.

22:37Lennie Ware: Have you had to listen to a lot of Beatles? Yes. What's a Beatle deep cut that we should all be listening to? Oh god, I'm like, what is a Beatles deep cut? I don't even know if they exist. Do you want some avocado, anyone? Yes, please, mum. This is insanely good. This is delicious, mum. It's really nice, yeah. It's kind of a bit like a Yorkshire pudding, but like, you know, an elevated Yorkshire pudding. But that's what a Dutch baby is. well okay fine what is your I got it right I don't know about your what no sorry no stop Gracie your chip pudding you have it with your roast on a Sunday roast I've never had that and you fill it it's almost like this Gracie haven't lived what is it it's a basic it's similar to this but you have it and you have loads of gravy and in the dip you put the gravy and you have it with your meat whoa it's like a carby delicious pancake on your plate I'm down mmhmm have you had a barbecue yet Gracie no not here You know, like, the Brits, it's our thing when...

23:34Lennie Ware: I've never heard that. Okay, in the summer, it's like when the sun comes out, and you smell barbecue on the road, you're like... And then you open rosé wine. Yeah. You must be inaugurate, like, into the British summertime. Well... You must burn sausages on a barbecue. I need to get into that, but it's making me realise, like, my, um... I have a very, like... I think it's a more, like, Irish-leaning existence of living in London. Do you know what I mean? I've never heard of the...

24:03Jessie Ware: So do you like Irish food? Yeah. Do you know about Irish potato chips? The crisps? We had a guest on... My favourite is salt and vinegar. Oh, yeah. So we had Otty Mabusi on, but there's a particular make of Tato's, I think they're called. Yeah, I'm familiar. I'm now familiar. Yeah, I need to get barbecuing.

24:29Lennie Ware: You really do. but it's you're a real Brit when you walk past and you go someone's having a barbecue I had a gorgeous very like neighborly evening a neighbor um had like she's she was so cool I hadn't even met her yet but she slipped a note under the door and said that she was having curry night where she was teaching all these ladies to make curry and I went over for and I was coming late on your own And I texted her. Yes, but we have a mutual friend. Okay, fine. I thought that was very brave of you, Gracie. I felt brave. I was like, it's in these moments where I realize I'm like, so I am kind of quite introverted still sometimes.

25:11But anyway, but I went over and it was the most amazing food ever. And they had all of these women who were so incredible. I came late because I was coming from work and she said it was not inappropriate to come late, that I should still cook. so I felt very bad but brought wine and tried to make up for it by cleaning did you get to cook I didn't get anything but I ate but then she had printed I keep dropping my napkin but she printed out all these sheets of um how to make everything so I took all these pictures so I'm gonna try to recreate it myself but it was such a beautiful I don't know I just love I love people who make

25:49Jessie Ware: food the center of an event I've got some bits for dessert as well what do you mean well it's not really dessert well mum made you've already made the most yeah no no i i've made some compote which is just very compote with i'm mad about vanilla yogurt that marts and spencers make

26:09Lennie Ware: but we've also made well you well i okay this is this is a disclaimer i actually didn't because i went for a blood test this morning so my perfectly wonderful rosie my nanny i was like listen mum has told me to make these cookies she came and delivered them apparently you really like this new york times banana cookie yeah you're so that's what we've made what i say we i've done nothing stop really i'm gonna flip the table no do you yeah but i but i also know it was like during covid yeah like every day yeah but you got quite obsessed with them yeah then also you would change it up so i'm a bit worried that these are a bit too you know basic for you so you can yeah you I can take them her way with you, so that's fine.

26:49I'm going to freak out. Oh, my God. Thank you. That's so thoughtful. You know what?

26:53Lennie Ware: I didn't have very ripe bananas, but I don't know whether this is a hack. Rosie put it in the oven, the banana. Oh, I've never heard of that. So it went black, like you put it on the barbecue. And then she was like, oh, now it's sweet and more kind of overripe.

27:18Lennie Ware: so listen you know the drill because you listen to this podcast last supper starter main pud drink of choice i you may have already answered the drink of choice okay i mean i ate it i would sit the leeks are really truly like central to my life now okay you get hyper fixated on things and this is your thing yeah yeah but that's like creamy and caramelized and kind of amazing and delicious with the bread and then i would want my mom's chicken with lots of thyme and like a arugula salad on the side and a baked sweet potato Do you know

27:57Jessie Ware: what I had that I don't think we can get here? The Japanese sweet potatoes. Unbelievable. I had it at all time. It's the best thing I've ever eaten. You can't get them here. No. Really? No, they're like caramelised and chewy. Yeah, they're unreal. They're like the best sweet potato in the world. Well, they're called Japanese. And they're more like a cross-china yam and a sweet potato. Yeah. But I'm so... What colour are they? They're more yellow. I don't know. They're yellow on the inside. Right, more yellow than orange. But they do them and they go crispy on the outside. Was that all time the most expensive place in the world?

28:34Lennie Ware: Yeah, it is. On Hillhurst. Is it Hillhurst or Franklin? It's delicious, by the way. If you're listening, you are delicious, but you are very spenny. So we've got your mum's roast chicken. Yeah, chicken and the sweet potato. which either regular baked potato or sweet potato. Okay. Which is very my grandmother in my head. And then a dessert. Yeah, what's your dessert? The, now it's the Trullo chocolate sorbetto. Oh. That's like pretty insane. Is it delicious? It's insane. It is the best ice cream of sorts. What makes it a sorbetto? I don't know. That's just what it is on the menu. Trying to pay my respect.

29:11Sounds a bit cuter, doesn't it? It's incredible. and um oh now i'm thinking of lots of other things yeah no you can have a trio if you want um i like dates in the fridge like super chewy cold dates now i think it's just i'm thinking like on a summer's day it's quite hot have you tried dates in the freezer with peanut butter inside best in the world so good like so good but i don't like when people are kind of made like have snickers at home i'm like it's a different thing yeah it is a different thing i think it's

29:39Lennie Ware: better but i you know how are you finding comparing how are you finding the uh chocolate here it's incredible it's better isn't it it is better i like the buttons oh the dairy milk buttons you're going to get them now all the time you know this do your fans give you stuff when you say something yeah yeah i'm like i like the button what's the uh most kind of absurd thing that they've given you oh god well we get we get just like obscene amounts of the same foods like snacks or things we've gotten and there's been like a fair amount of fans who like bring baby photos of themselves which sometimes why okay what was that because that was a conversation no no just that that's like a thing that's happened that I go um thank you one time in the in the bus the lights were turned low I'm just opening an envelope and pour it out what was inside and it was little tiny white rocks but I thought it was drug teeth oh oh I thought I swear to god and I was like yeah drugs little little white you okay so you thought it was baby tea if you'd like some thank you oh my god but can I serve you please no you you help yourself do you know what they were they were little like quartz oh like for like you know clarity oh sweet very sweet but for a moment it was very uh nerve wracking but this kind of the notion the notion of the fangirl you have fangirls you have a huge fan base I think like in this time just with the internet, it used to be the thing of like, this is insane, you guys.

31:27I am so grateful.

31:28Lennie Ware: But I, well, that's very, you're very welcome. No, it is like insane to be, you know, it feels like home in all the ways now.

31:38It's delicious, isn't it?

31:40Lennie Ware: It is good this Greek yogurt. Oh, it's so delicious. But yeah, the fangirl, it's like a real thing. You see it with you, Taylor, Olivia Dean. oh you know it's like she's fantastic i just was watching videos of her show last night now she said it was her first headline show in ireland ever and there were 40 000 people oh my god can you imagine your first headline show oh it's insane i mean yeah but anyway sorry yes the um i think because there's it's like the parasocial thing like the ability to have access to someone whose stories you connect with just like in your palm feels like there's a real closeness there.

32:21But I also grew up with that being the norm, like Stan culture being like so at the forefront of like any artist's kind of movement. It's like there is just, so I think sometimes being on the receiving end of it can shock me. But I also in the culture, I understand what it's about. You know, I just think when it comes back to you, you're sometimes like, whoa, whoa. Yeah, I can understand that. But it's such a compliment, you know, that coming from a place of people, for whatever reason, my music meaning something to them or, you know, all of the music that I grew up being obsessed with, yours included, it's like, you just do feel like it's speaking to something in your life.

33:12and so that's my that's my favorite thing so I do get it I I feel like you had such an incredible

33:18Lennie Ware: moment at Glastonbury but I do feel like you could return next year I would does this I feel like okay here's here's what I'm saying Taylor Swift headlines Gracie Abrams warms the crowd up just before that that's what I'm this is what I'm saying is gonna happen there's nothing like opening for Taylor Swift.

33:38Jessie Ware: When did you first meet Taylor Swift? It was like right after quarantine was lifted I want to say. So you're quite young? Yeah we've known each other for a second now in my mind it feels like yesterday still but um we met at her birthday she I got like a text from a number that I didn't have saved and I thought it was just a joke and she had invited me to her birthday and I went and um she was just immediately like the warmest and and um yeah most kind of like inclusive and um yeah it was crazy I bet her shows are pretty

34:19Lennie Ware: I went to the era's one yeah at Wembley yeah you weren't it was paramour I wasn't with her but I went out for one of the um which was two years ago now but when my album came out she was on one of the songs and we yeah and we did that for the first time at Wembley which was no big deal um before we let you go which I would like not to but you like it yeah it's really good it's really good mum yeah you definitely and I'd like you to take some with you as well um yeah of course um no what about your kids you need to talk oh fuck them um do you want a bit jesse yes please a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere happy or sad really it's funny my my best friend Audrey during COVID before we, we ended up moving in together after COVID but we would make these for each other and drop them off at each other's houses during the pandemic.

35:19And this is like it is so strange even then we would live together and I'd come home sometimes from tour and she'd have made some just like one of those, you know, it's so strange you don't think like something's going to stick in there.

35:30Lennie Ware: It's a funner, though. Maybe. Because it wasn't right enough. It's delicious, though. Is that Audrey Ho, who's amazing? You write a lot with. Start. We did loads of the last album together. You also did Minibar on this one, didn't you? Which is great. Thank you. It's so fun, that one. Really fun. We wrote that the same week that we did. That's so true. And they kind of remind me of each other a little bit. And they're like, zippy kind of like. Yeah. But anyway, she's the best. so this makes me think of her. Feels quite nostalgic to me. Gracie Abrams, good luck with your record. Thank you. Daughter from Hell, it's really accomplished and brilliant.

36:09Thank you guys so much for having me. Such a pleasure.

36:12Lennie Ware: Nothing is going to top this. And hydrate in this hot weather. Yes, I will. I will, I will, I will. And barbecue. Yeah, and barbecue. Yeah, cheers. Cheers. Thank you guys. Thank you so much.

36:37Lennie Ware: Gracie Abrams, looking divine, being, I think, one of the most helpful guests we've ever had. Yeah, she wanted to basically do the washing up.

36:45Jessie Ware: Definitely not a daughter from hell. No, I think I was today. So appreciative of the food.

36:51Lennie Ware: It was delish, Mum. Did you like it? Yeah. You didn't think it was going to work, did you? Well, no, Mum, I hate to break it to you, but I also did a savoury Dutch baby. for Kadeem Kirwan a while ago.

37:01Jessie Ware: Probably wasn't as good as mine. It's not a competition then.

37:04Lennie Ware: But yours was very nice. I'm saying to you, it was very nice. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you for doing all the food.

37:11Jessie Ware: It's a shame they go down though. They come up and you think, I've made it. And then you put them out and it all goes floppy at the bottom.

37:20Lennie Ware: The taste was there, Lenny. Gracie Abrams' record, Daughter from Hell, is out on the 17th of July. Go and get it. it's really beautiful and we'll see you next week for more table months

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