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1:05Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're in my house tonight. Lenny's looking very glad. Am I? Fabulous. Yeah, given it was Meals on Wheels today. Yeah, sorry I was in the studio. Fine. You've brought the food. Yeah. I appreciate you. That's fine. And what have you been up to, Mother? This weekend, I babysat for you. Oh yeah, that was it. I watched Gladiators. So did. which I'd never watched before. You know who his son is? Who? He's Callum from Casualty. He's one of the nurses in Casualty. Who? Barney. He's an actor. He's an actor. He's in Casualty at the moment. And I thought I'd know him.

1:42And then he was on next in Casualty. It was really weird, actually. We're loving gladiators in our house. Gosh, but, I mean, they do push people over. It's quite brutal, isn't it? Can you feel the power of the gladiators? Yeah. I loved that you thought for my son's fifth birthday that I could just ask Giant or Legend or Nitro. We used to have one that lived down the road. Yeah, but Mum, like, I'm not just going to... When you were little, he was at Brixton Fire Station. Saracen, the firefighter in Brixton. Didn't you want to see him help get a cat out of a tree? No, he rescued a dog that was brutalised on a balcony in Brixton.

2:23He had to go up his ladder. the dog was killed by the other dog they were fighting oh god pit bulls or something i was horrified but i'm quite delighted when saracen turned up yeah i've forgotten that um yeah well i'm not getting any of the gladiators for my son's fifth birthday even though he would like it yeah i think it may be a push um so when you hear this i will have already been at the brits and somebody that we've got on tonight did one of the most brilliant performances at the brits i think it was 20 21 she was the sound of yes she won the rising star award and she did black hole and she was so fantastic it was this really weird brits where we were all really separated and we all had to wear like masks oh it's covid brits and harry stars gave me a very sweet wave from from the other table i couldn't go and launch myself on him it's very sad um and griff did this brilliant performance and I was up for a couple and it was just a weird one where we tried to make the best of a kind of COVID situation but I remember Griff's performance being brilliant we've got her on she has toured all over the world with the biggest stars she is incredibly stylish she's toured with Coldplay, Ed Sheeran, Dua Lipa, Taylor Swift is obsessed with her Griff's having a really good time I think yeah I've been terrified because she's got a nut allergy and my kids love nuts so I've been frantically um cleaning it did not touch a nut in my kitchen because I've read every single ingredients that I could possibly do so I was worried about whether there was some peanut oil in the sponge fingers do you want to know something and this is going to sound incredibly what anyone that follows on Instagram housewives of Clapton this would go on there, my friends brought over a new flavour of Torres crisps.

4:21Do you know the Torres crisps? Yeah, those truffle. Yeah. Pickle flavour. No. Well, I suppose it's like salt and vinegar. It would be like salt and vinegar. No. Does it work? Just so you know Torres, I'm not sure. They're five quid a packet. It's like a burger gherkin. What do you think? Not bad, but it's slightly sweet I mean, I'm going in for more, but just to get a second opinion A little bit Monster Month It's not as good as a Walker's prawn cocktail That's all I'm saying Shall I tell you what's on the menu? What's on the menu? What's on the menu? Well, I've made what is said to be on the New York Times app Yeah Their most popular dish It's called Marry Me Chicken I've been looking at that one for ages Yeah, let's hope it's alright It's not a curry even though it looks like a curry.

5:15It's not a curry. It's just the tomato. And cream. And cream. A lot of cream. Good thing I'm not singing an opera tonight. It is a good job. So I've made that. We've done cavalo nero, the way you do it beautifully. I've done my onion rice because we haven't had that for a long time. Classic. And I've done a tiramisu. Oh, that'll keep us up, won't it? It might do. I've put calure in the biscuits because that's a coffee liqueur oh so you haven't actually put coffee in yeah put coffee in oh cool well okay maybe I should watch a bottle set tonight maybe Griff coming up on table

6:02cheers ladies to happiness cheers and having you in our in our and it's green wine so Yamas Yamas there we go there we go you're not Greek though you're half Chinese and half Jamaican yeah correct so let's talk about food let's go straight into it alright let's do it mine's Chinese dad's Jamaican where did you grow up? in a very not very exotic place Hertfordshire Kings Langley happy childhood? Jessie that's a very direct I don't know I was talking about food I was thinking about food yeah it was a chaotic childhood I'd say chaotic where did your parents meet? They met in college. So they're, oh right, they're at college.

6:44Yeah, so mum came over when she was kind of, I think, late teens, went to college in South London and then met my dad. And what was she studying? I don't know. I think they were doing some kind of like BTEC accountancy or IT or something. Is she very clever, your mum? Yeah, she's very street smart. She's got a lot of common sense, yeah. So who was around the dinner table in Hertfordshire? In Hertfordshire. so I'm the youngest of three so I've got two older mothers you really had an affinity with my young son that just came in and did a kind of dance yeah no I know your kids are awesome thank you they're so good you had two minutes of them yeah sorry they're brilliant they're brilliant they're exhausting but they are brilliant all young people with kids go oh your kids are great no but you you're amazing with them too I feel like but you but the third one you were like oh yeah classic third child so you're the third child yeah I'm the third child and I'm the only girl so I guess there was a bit of like like independence there and then we started fostering when I was around eight so that's what I mean by chaotic yeah okay yeah yeah yeah so at one time we had like maybe three foster kids at the most we had like three foster kids three of us kids and mum and dad so that's a lot how old are you like you know tiger chinese mum so she's not quiet do you know what I mean so how how old were you when the first foster child came into the house I was eight yeah so they were two siblings that were with us for, it was an emergency.

8:11So sometimes when you're a foster carer, kids just come into care and the social services just need you to take someone instantly that night. And then that night turned into four years. So I know. And was your mum, I mean, your mum must have been incredibly busy. Was your mum and dad cooking? Who was cooking? Dad doesn't cook. Okay. Yeah, mum very much does doing everything. And what were you eating? What was a really memorable dish? Mum, I guess mum does Chinese food, but she always says she's rubbish because compared to all her other siblings, she's not that authentic I think okay do you know I mean I guess I don't know like would it be authentic to me yeah it would to white people it'd be authentic but to Chinese people maybe they'd be like cute you know cute yeah um but yeah it was always like rice and meat and and stir fries and noodles and did you love it no because when you're growing up you don't you I don't know you don't value it and then you go into school and just think everyone else is cooler so I went into school with like a flask of like me yeah yeah yeah which imagine like opening that up and like cranking the whip out yeah yeah and then everyone's looking at you with their like dainty little cucumber sandwiches and you're like crap mum you could have just made me a cucumber sandwich so yeah that is so funny isn't it was it was about the pungs like mum used to I do like a tuna mayo sandwich but you would do them and they were always a bit wet so they were kind of like stuck by the and they stunk and you didn't want to be the person that everyone was talking about their lunchbox, I get that I tell you what, I went to a soft play birthday party at the weekend with my son and my friend whose daughter it was, she's a brilliant cook and it was low key, peck and soft play perfect them and she'd done these beautiful looking prawn mayo sandwiches and that was for the parents I had such respect Yeah, that's lovely.

10:03It was very nice. What kind of bread was it? It was just like, it was a simple, simple, like, sliced, you know, whole meal. My sandwiches are all right, Jessie. Yours are amazing. Mum always gets chosen to do the sandwiches in the body. I make good sandwiches. But back to you and your dinner. Were you a fussy eater or not? Were you allowed to be a fussy eater? No, I don't think you're allowed to be. No, there's no fussy. Did you ever have any Jamaican food? Not so much because Dad was born in the UK. dad didn't really cook and like his parents passed before I was really like growing up so I guess that kind of like did he like Chinese food he loves Chinese food he also ran into a lot of he became like gluten-free dairy-free sugar-free all of that so it was a good job that he married a Chinese woman because actually there's not that much of that in Chinese food so when did you I know you've got a peanut allergy I do yeah yeah when did you discover that I think since I've No, no, well, my oldest brother also has a peanut allergy, so I guess there is proportion, but also there's a lot of peanut and a lot of sesame in Chinese food.

11:03That's what we were thinking. So pretty much every time I go around auntie's house, also Chinese people don't really, allergies, health things, that doesn't really compute. So you're like, auntie, I can't eat that. And they're like, oh, just eat, eat. And if you don't eat, it's rude. So then you just eat and then die on the way home. Yeah, like EpiPen. Yeah, exactly. Have you got it with you today? I don't. I put my life in your hands oh my god don't say that we have done everything no no it's fine I'm quite reckless with it you've done everything that I'm any precautions we've taken I'm quite reckless with it it's okay are you?

11:39have you got yourself into sticky situations I have yeah well I just kind of I eat and I can't be bothered to make a fuss I think it's like being you know being very British you don't want to always just make a fuss and say something I don't think it's making a fuss No, I know, I know. Because if you might die. I was just on tour, actually. Who was that with? Coldplay. As you do. Apparently their catering is superb. It's superb. Okay, let's talk about it. Okay, but then the after show. And he does an after show every bloody night. Mental, I know. What do you mean he does an after show? Chris Martin likes to decompress by having an after show where he puts on, like, a full do every night.

12:16What do you mean a full do? That's like a whole job role. Griff, you need to expand on this. Yeah, well, you must throw a good after show every now and again. Never. She wants to go home to bed. This is every night. I went to a Coldplay after party in Buenos Aires. Oh, nice. And it was incredibly generous, glamorous, gorgeous. Tell me about... I mean, it was always different. What, do they do a party every night? Yeah, so usually a fab hotel or a fab venue. I think that's great. It is great. And then all guest lists or whatever will come down and all the crew and team are there. It's every night.

12:52And also they do, they minimum probably do about a thousand shows in each place. So it's like, it's a consistent party. What about all the outfits you need? Oh, by that point you just walk up in the tracksuit. You're wearing your jeans, yeah, or a track of bottoms, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So touring, I mean, it's kind of mad, Griff, because you've been in basically every stadium, arena. It must have really... Yeah, but that's... Yeah. that must have been very great training to kind of be playing to audiences that weren't necessarily there for you and you have to not win them over because they're quite generous yeah i mean sometimes they're not you can't guarantee what kind of crowd you're gonna have so you have had really full-on throwing in the deep end but masterfully doing it because you know you you're a great performer.

13:46I mean, yeah, it's like, it was straight boot camp, especially coming out of COVID. That was really, it was really like, never really done much shows, never toured before, and then bam, go on tour with the release. How old are you now? I'm 23 now. No, no, no, I hate, I hate telling my age. No, I know, I have such a funny thing. Because you're so successful. No, but you know what it's like. No, I don't. I'm 39, babe. I'm a lovely 39, I don't know. Like, female pop. It's such a weird thing. I don't know if I've made it for myself, but I hate my age. Why? Or my birthday. I hate it. Why? Because I don't know.

14:26I think I've got a weird thing where it's like, the older you get, the less impressive things. No, I don't. Sorry. I know. I'm really digging the hole for myself. No, no, no. You're right. It's funny, isn't it? It's a weird thing, yeah. Because you as, and I've talked about this many times, but you as a woman in music you kind of think there's a shelf life I'm here flying the flag for us, Jerry Atkins, pop stars don't worry, you'll be okay no, no, I walked in and I was so inspired when you said the ages of your kids I thought how the hell have you not stopped this is so nice because honestly you do sit there and you go is anyone actually doing this?

15:02is anyone actually doing motherhood and marriage and actual life alongside it all just look at Sophie Ellis Bexler applause to you Sophie, I know. I'm so happy. I know. You know, she's got five children. Really? Yes. No way. She has five children. Her oldest has left home. That's crazy. And then she's got like the eight-year-old in like Sydney with her at Mardi Gras this week. And she, during lockdown, she did this kitchen disco. You probably don't remember Murder on the Dancehall the first time, do you? No, of course not. I can't tell you. She wasn't born, probably. No, but also I had a very sheltered upbringing.

15:36so my music knowledge doesn't go past Taylor Swift. Really? So what were you listening to as a family? Were you kind of... Tell me. Well, I think the combination of... Chinese immigrant mother doesn't really care about pop culture. Jamaican dad really loves music, but also very Christian. So then relationship with secular music was a bit strange. So we had a few CDs. We had Stevie Wonder, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson. so a lot of like soul R &B but then that was it so like it's only as I grow up and I'm like learning oh Fleetwood Mac or David Bowie or like there's this whole other world of stuff that I have no concept of is that quite exciting as somebody who is you know making an album or you know and and and that you are still there's so much more that you can because I feel like you have such a confident sound as an artist and you know and I think that's um and I was saying before in the intro I remember when you performed at the Brits it was that weird COVID Brits but you smacked it and like it was you were amazing and like you've got such an identity but that's that was three years ago she was 19 now she's listened to Bowie and stuff no I know I've really been like expanded my horizons now.

16:57Do you play an instrument? Was your mum keen on learning music properly? Yeah, she was stereotypically keen on that. I didn't really conform to that very well. My cousins were very stereotypical, like six years old and could pick up the violin and they were ridiculous. So did you play anything? I played piano and guitar but not amazingly. But was it always the voice that was kind of the thing? Yeah, I really like playing piano and mum wanted me to be really good at classical and do grades but I think once I realised I could play chords and sing with them I really wasn't asked about getting better about upskilling I was like well I can sing now so and I can write some songs now so that's all so when did you move out of the family abode guys it's only just happened really she just moved in the summer how are you feeling I'm getting there like I'm I'm so I'm just when I feel settled in then I like leave town for a bit and then come back um everything's still temporary we've still got like facebook marketplace furniture because I can't commit to spending loads of money on things um I'm paying bills I'm cooking it's it's happening what's what's that thing that's left in your fridge when you've gone on tour and you're like oh god oh yeah yeah um well there's always an old onion isn't there yeah um and like maybe a crusty spring onion just a family of veg there maybe some yoghurt definitely need to start binning that before I leave yeah and then maybe like mum's kimchi oh I feel like that yeah she's making kimchi yeah it's really good what's the thing that you can't live without apart from your mum's kimchi food rice yeah oh that's such a good question probably rice rice yeah we're having some rice tonight oh that's great news okay good yeah I feel like if I've got a big bag of rice and there's some meat in the freezer i'm not too stranded i'm going i need to know well we're going to ask you about your last supper but you've been prepped by the darling kirsty because kirsty used to work on table no i know kirsty's so she literally make sure you think about it yeah um i really offended people with um well i now that i think about it i'm i'm just going to put it out there my i i hope you changed it i i i said my last supper a couple of weeks ago and it's how I felt at the time and people have been very startled and offended.

19:20Recap for me. It was a baked potato. Green emoji. No, it was a baked potato with four different corners that had different toppings plus some other things. That's crazy. I'm just going to let you know to all the listeners that are looking and listening that I've changed my mind because I actually now believe that The Last Supper is probably the stupidest question we could ever ask anybody. However, we're going to keep it in the format. Don't say that. You've got to actually base the podcast. I agree. But it will be a different thing today. It is a lot of commitment. It is a lot of commitment. So now I'm just going to say what would be your last supper that you're feeling at the moment.

19:54Because I'm telling you, I've changed my mind over the baked potato already. I'm very fickle. I have been worried about it all weekend. Have you been thinking? I was out with my girlfriends yesterday. I was like, what would yours be? Give me some inspiration because it just changes. Did they throw anything in there that was a curveball? No, they didn't inspire me, if I'm honest. but okay is it time for me to talk about my last supper? Do you think it's time, Griff? I can talk about my last supper. Are you ready? Have a little glug of that. Yeah, thank you. Okay, my last supper. Now again I'm indecisive so I think my starter it was in between like sushi or like some mini burgers.

20:32Oh, like sliders? Well, I just really like a burger but I didn't want to commit to it as my main so I thought maybe if I make it small it can maybe be my starter. a slider's like a staple on the Chris Martin after party because I kind of feel it I'd love a slider yeah I just think there's never a time where I'm not in the mood for a burger but yeah it's too much to have as a starter so if we make it slider size so sushi and a slider no no no I'll commit to the slider burgers which sushi would you choose I would have like a sushi roll also the allergy is a bit tricky with sushi so I have to keep it basic So which one?

21:11I would have like kind of like a macky roll with maybe some spicy tuna in the middle. Oh, nice. Yeah. All your face looks a bit terrified. No, no, no. I'm not terrified. Are you a sushi fan or no? Not big times. No, not big. I think it's a millennial thing. Yeah, I think you're right. And I think even children like it now, don't they? Really? Yeah. Jessie, do you give your good sushi? Jessie, your sushi children don't have... What classy children? No, my kids are not sushi fans yet. Yet. Maybe they will be. So go on, sushi... No, I'll commit to little mini burgers for my starter. Do you put pickle on them all?

21:45I make mini burgers. Because I don't leave room. She doesn't want to be full up. Or do we have loopholes where I don't get full? You don't get full. You could have a whole day of it. I don't think there's something... There is something nice about a bite-sized burger, though. Yeah, yeah. Are you having all the toppings? Yeah, I'll have some gherkins. I'll have some onion relish, some cheese. Can I suggest something to you? What? Please. The greatest gift that M &S has ever given to any of us... Oh, it's the best burger sauce. It's the burger sauce. Really? Yeah, it's delicious. Interesting. Yeah.

22:13It's unbelievable. Really? Unbelievable. I'm going to have to portray Morrison's and go over to M &S. I do love Morrison's though. Yeah, yeah, Morrison's a good time. It's good for fish as well. Yeah. Yeah, very. Yeah. Okay, so carry on. So I think maybe, yeah, that for starter. And then for main, I think it's got to be a home-cooked meal for mum. And she does a good, like, caramelised pork belly, like Vietnamese pork belly. Ooh, wow. Yeah, it's kind of like, I don't know what she does. She's talked me through it a million times and I don't know. It's like onions and sugar caramelised and then you put it in the pork belly, really fatty.

22:45And then I think you fill it up with stock or something and then you put like fish sauce and stuff. It's really nice, yeah. So that's just like nostalgic. Would you have like a side with that? Oh, God, I didn't. Rice. Rice. No, rice. Oh, right, yeah. Rice with that and then. Veggies? Not bothered. Not bothered, actually, no. No, keep it hearty. What are we drinking, Griff? Oh. You can change it per course if you'd like. Oh, that's so kind. All right. Okay. All right. Maybe I would start with... No, no. I would stick on maybe like a red wine throughout. Really? Yeah. That's crazy. I don't think that's good pairing.

23:27Like, no one judged my palate right now, but... Well, drink up with that. Thank you. And then I'll get you on the red. No, no, no. I'm in the maple white at the moment. I've got a really good red. Really? Oh, my God, thanks. This is my favorite.

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24:52Griff, do you want to help us out? Oh, yeah, I won't be shy. And what would your sweet thing be? I was thinking about this because I'm a sweet person it's hard to choose I really like I'm like a fruity dessert kind of girl okay so like an Eaton Mess okay or like an apple tart you should have said I think an Eaton Mess is quite good Eaton Mess is good I don't know you don't seem impressed by that no I think it's quite it's nice it hits the spot doesn't it I do find myself you can make it very easily exactly yeah we have I hope it's okay Do you drink coffee? Yeah. Okay, we've got tiramisu. Oh, good.

25:32Do you know what tiramisu is? Like, run is up. Okay, great. When you said fruity, I was like, oh, shit. Abort missions. No, no, no. No, no. That actually is run is up. Please have to... So these chicken breasts, you have to cut in half. Why? For the recipe. You slice them, yeah. Oh, I see. I think so it cooks easier. Thanks, Mum. That was great. Thank you so much. Okay, so New York Times said this was their most loved thing. Let's check. What do you think? I mean, it's yummy, but yeah. It should be. It's got creamy. Creamy. What's there not to like? So you've travelled everywhere. Where's been your favourite spot for kind of new culinary delights, apart from the Coldplay catering?

26:18That's actually it, though. What's tricky is that when you're on these big tours, you're not exactly in, like, the heart of the city. You're in the equivalent of, like, the O2 to London or to so much. Do you know what I mean? so you don't get actually to be that adventurous as you think. I... I'm trying to remember. Where was good? Do you like exploring the cities, or do you kind of... I do, yeah. My band are terrible at it, so I just go at it alone. You've got to. Yeah. So usually we'll find, like, a botanical garden, a coffee shop, and then a good, like, wine or dinner spot. I remember Bologna being good.

26:50Really? Yeah, because it's Italy. It was great. Where else was nice? On the whole play tour, where did we do that? It was random. Coimbra, which is in Portugal. But I find the more random the place, usually the more authentic the food, because it's not trying to be touristy, it's just trying to be actual family hearty food. This is delicious, thank you. Is it? It's very comforting. It's so nice, yeah. I don't know this. How did you make it? So you slice the chicken, and you put it in flour, and you fry off the chicken in butter and olive oil yeah then you put garlic yeah um it doesn't taste very garlic in there's four cloves of garlic garlic tomato paste and some aleppo pepper i put in i don't think that tastes very strong and then i put some chicken stock in and cream cream and parmesan cheese and sun-dried tomatoes And sun-dried tomatoes at the end, yeah.

27:56So we've got the pud, which is going to be an apple tart. Did you say an apple tart? No. I've just been ripping, to be honest. I said eat and mess. Griff riffs. Yeah, eat and mess, yeah. Eat and mess. And you'd have red wine all throughout. What's your cocky tea of choice, your cocktail? That's a great question. You're very kind, Griff. No, it is. It's pretty basic, but I love you. No, it is, no, because it's like, it depends. you know at the end of the night it's an espresso martini are you mad at the end of the night well no so not at the end of the night at the end of a dinner because you're about to begin the night or if you're just trying to sustain a good level it's just like a spicy mug but recently i'm trying to really grow up and get into gin martinis with a twist i would just uh i'd go vodka martini i really just realized when she started touring she probably couldn't drink in half the American state.

28:53No, yeah, yeah, it was tragic. I know. But I just came back from America, so that was... Were you on the tour? Were you supporting? What were you doing? I was... Well, I did, like, a long promo trip, so I did, like, a bit of Asia, so Singapore and Hong Kong, and then Australia, and then I just did some little underplays in LA and New York, just to kind of... How did they go? Yeah, I think good. I mean, they were sold out. It was nice. They're good crowds for the States. Yeah, the States are great, yeah. Griff, where is your beautiful plant? Oh, I know. I'm sorry. I didn't put my hat for you today.

29:24I did want you to put her. Oh, for God's sake. She looks fabulous. You make your own clothes. You make your own backdrop. Jessie, she bought that dress for a dollar. In a dollar store. You're very stylish. Oh, thank you. I don't know if my mum would say that. I would look harnish in that. Yeah, I don't know if I am stylish. I think I just buy cheap things and then convince myself it looks good. No, that looks great. That collar's fab. Thank you. You look fab. It's quite Simone. Quite Simone or quite Miss Doubtfire. Do you like fashion? Yeah, I love it. Yeah, well, I studied textiles in school, so I enjoy making things, which is fun.

29:57When do you find the time to make something, babe? I mean, yeah, I run out of time these days, but... Have you got a sewing machine? Yeah. Do you have it on tour? Kind of, yeah. I mean, I bought one recently. I got really excited in Hong Kong, bought loads of fabrics, and then had to buy a sewing machine, and then didn't find the time to make anything, but... What are you intending on making? I quite like making things that I would wear so like dresses or skirts I find good and easy and what kind of dress is like an easy entry level sewing dress probably something like this that's quite simple no but because it's baggy you don't have to worry about it fitting like a glove and when you rely on pleats the look is about excess fabric you know That's if you're not excess, to be honest.

30:50Yeah. Maybe. Speaking from as a small little Asian lady. Asian lady, yeah. So, yeah, like a pleated skirt is quite, is like a good place to start. Because then you just like run it through, gather all the fabric. Then you have some kind of poof. Would you like to have your own brand in the future? I think I would. I don't like, I'm not like dying for it. I could see myself doing it, but I don't want to do it until I feel like I've mastered one thing, you know? Where does the name Griff come from? Sarah Griffiths. Oh, so you're Sarah? I'm Sarah, yeah, call me Sarah, yeah. Oh, I thought you knew that, yeah.

31:29Yeah, so you can call me Sarah. But my mum always called my dad Griff growing up. Yeah, so I really take in his name, to be honest. I want to know. Taylor Swift, does she ever cook for you? No, no, no. So we've probably met in a total two times, really. I remember though, she was like crazy about you at the Brits. That night was amazing, yeah. That was like a big night. That was a huge night, yeah. She won a big award, like legend award. She won a big award. You'd won an award. I won an award. You looked fabulous. Oh, thank you. Were you in your own outfit or Simone Rosher? I did three looks that night.

32:00Yes? That night. What? What? What? Yeah. Is Simone Rosher your... My fave, yeah. You really see her. If in doubt, Simone Rosher for me. Oh my God, she's the best. But I did... What did I do? I did a designer called Susan Fang for the red carpet, which was this big crown. And then I wore my own, something I'd made for the performance. And then I did Simone R Usher for the after. And the plat. And the plat. Where do you like to eat now that you're living in London? You're basically living your best Carrie Bradshaw life. I'm trying, yeah. Do you know who Carrie Bradshaw is? I do, yeah. Okay, thanks.

32:31Although, no, I've only watched... Do you know what? Oh, my God! My first time... Well, I wasn't really allowed to watch it growing up, because it was naughty. Fair enough. Do you know what I mean? the word sex was in the title it was like mental so I always thought it was like porn and then well Samantha gave it a good shot I watched it like last year but I watched the second one and it was the one where they went to the Middle East oh no babe I don't know how that's the film don't watch the film that is not your ancient voice this is a terrible second movie I don't know how that was allowed I was watching it with my jaw on the floor don't watch the film how has that been allowed that is so wild you must return to the series You must disregard the second movie of Sex and the City.

33:13I see. That's the only one I've seen. Oh, babe. Well, I have to say, I went to see Plaza Suite with her in it at the moment. Sarah Jessica Parker. And I loved every minute of it. I thought it was fabulous. I think she's a really clever comedic actress. I really like her. And I loved her husband. I mean, you must get through so many box sets, doing all that flying. What do you do on the plane? Are you a box set gal? Are you an airplane food girl? What do you do? I don't eat plane on the food, food on the plane. Because of your allergy? No, it just never sits well. It never sits well, do you? I love it.

33:51That's crazy. I love how miniature it is. You know, unpacking it. Are you unpacking it? I can't do it. It's like, I'm trying to sleep. You get interrupted every 15 minutes. Do you want a wine? Do you want a drink? Do you want a cheese? I wish I was that girl. And then people think she's so thin, she doesn't sit on the plane. So, should you bring your own snacks? yeah oh well I'm asleep I can sleep anywhere really yeah you used to be like that darling you're like a you're like a doctor or an air steward yes you can sleep yeah yeah yeah I can sleep anywhere on anything yeah yeah so usually I'm just like trying to sleep and they're like do you want some because you're usually doing promo when you get yeah exactly or I'm just lazy yeah I so I usually back a wine and then go you know knock off

34:37Griff I love this you are serving up yeah I'm going for it no I'm not going to have that whole strip I was deciding whether to third it or to half I'm going to third it third it I think yeah it's quite a creamy meal isn't it mum delicious it's my favourite kind of meal I think who whose recipe is this mum um I don't know dig eat it's half and half oh that's good alcohol yeah oh that's lovely is it nice That's really good moment How do you have your eggs in the morning? Omelette recently Yeah? Yeah Mainly because it feels like a challenge Are you a good cook? I'm a learning cook I'm figuring it out I guess you've just moved out of And you've been on tour for the whole time Yeah exactly So I'd say like in my head I'm a good cook I just need to put it as practice a little bit Can you taste the alcohol?

35:33Yes. Yes. I can't. Yes. God. It's been a long weekend, won't it? I could eat about five of these servings. Yeah, same, yeah. So you've moved out of Hertfordshire. You're living in London. Mm-hmm. Have you got any spots that you really like to eat? Have you got any local spots that you love?

35:53I'm the worst food podcast guest ever. I don't really know. To be fair, we were just talking about La Trompetre. That was really nice in Chiswick. Gorgeous. Yeah, because I've just moved to West. But I'm a girl of convenience, so I'll just go to the local pub. Are you a pub girl? Yeah, go on then. You went to the pub before you came here. I did, I did. Which I really liked. Have you been to the Bolo? No, where's that? I think it's on Bolo Lane. Oh, I need to go to that. There's also a good amount on the river, like from Hammersmith. Is everyone alright with this? This is great. This is so nice.

36:27so you're only the hottest record of the world year month last week congratulations thank you how does it feel uh feels great yeah it's me too it's like we've like taken up the energy a little bit which is exciting did you who did you work with on it um so i worked with my favorites lost boy and seba who i wrote black car with lost boy did padam yeah you just want a grammy for it i I'm so happy for him. So you've done this? Yeah. And people are loving it? I hope so. I hope people enjoy it. And yeah, we filmed a music video. First choreo video, girls. Did you get involved in the choreo dance? Well, I got involved.

37:06Can I dance? I mean, you can make the judgment for yourself. But yeah, 26 dancers. We went all in. Yeah. How did that feel? Did you feel like, oh my God, I'm a pop star? No, no. It feels like, because the thing is, there's so many dance videos out in the world, you just don't want to do a bad one. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So, I mean, what's happening? This is an EP. Yeah, so I'm essentially like, I'm trying to figure out how to drop music at the moment and I just want to drop them in parts. So I did volume one last year, that was Vertigo volume one. And volume two to me is like, it's still part of the same world, but it's like an energy step up and yeah, it's a collection of songs.

37:43Do you feel like you needed that or wanted that energy step up from performing live and seeing reactions, like feeling like you wanted that energy for live or is it just for that's where you yeah i think it was maybe a subconscious thing that happened in the studio like after i think after you've been on so many huge tours you do witness songs on like a huge euphoric level and i think i probably subconsciously took that back into the studio so um yeah i'm excited to play all these songs live because also i actually haven't done that many headline shows so when's your headline show is Is it the Roundhouse?

38:17Oh my gosh, you're great at plugging me, Lenny. Thank you. Yeah, Roundhouse is happening. The tour starts in Stockholm on the 10th of March. It's sold out, apart from Bournemouth. Apart from Bournemouth, yeah. And you're doing brilliantly, and I can't wait to dance with you at the Brits. Thank you, I can't wait either. Thanks for having me, ladies. Thank you for coming. You're a delight. You're a superstar. You say that to everyone. No, I don't. And also, I have to say, I haven't seen a pop star interact with my children like you did since Cheryl. Cheryl! So that's all I'm going to say. She was like a Disney princess.

38:54You were like a Disney princess. I'll take it. They're great. They're legends. You're regal. Yeah. So yeah. Very, very excited for you, Griff. Thank you. And thanks for being on the pod. Thanks for dinner. This was lovely. Pleasure done.

39:21Well, Griff is... A delight. A delight. So pleased to have met her, Jessie. Gorgeous. Just lovely. Shame she didn't have a plait on, but never know. It's not a plait, Mum. What is it? It's like a bubble... A bubble braid. Yeah, but she looks gorgeous. But she's such a beautiful girl. She's really good fun. And she stocked my next dinner party with bottles of wine. Delicious. And delights. So appreciated, Griff. Yeah. I loved her outfit. She's a little star, isn't she? Yeah, I loved her outfit, that collar. She's fab. Yeah. She's really talented. And she's not even got an album out yet and she's going on tour.

40:00Mega star. Thank you so much to Griff for coming on. Her new single and video, Miss Me Too, is out now. She's got a global tour. She is smacking it. Did you feel a bit old, Jess? I feel a bit like I've eaten too much cream, Mum. And I never thought I'd say the day. Okay. I actually think I'm going to pop a lactose. But is it too late? What's a lactose? What's a lactose? It's like to help you with digesting cream or like it's when you have a lactose intolerance. But I don't. Okay. Is that too much information? Yeah, I think we don't want to know about that, darling. Would you have married me after the chicken?

40:32No. I don't think I would have. No. I thought it was really tasty, but I would be divorcing you now. A bit stroganoff-y. No, I just followed the recipe. No, it was nice. I think it was cream on cream with the tiramisu that really put the nail in the coffin. She did have three helpings, so I think that was all right. Thank you to Griff, and we will see you next week on Tablewise. I'm on food duty, I think. The next two weeks, darling. No cream, no cream. Thank you.

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