Hilary Duff

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2:23Lennie Ware: Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here in my house with my mum looking pretty in pink. Thank you very much. Very nice. It's almost a Percy Pig, isn't it? With the light. It is a little bit though, isn't it?

2:36Jessie Ware: I thought it was more Disney princess. And I thought, big week. And you've done all the cooking. And I thought to myself, I could get used to this.

2:46Lennie Ware: Oh, all right, Mum. Thank you. We're recording this the week that my first single for my new album is released. So Mum is being a very proud Jewish mother. You looked gorgeous. That is the publicist at the door of our next guest. Ding dong. We are very excited to have this guest. She has just played her first show in 20 years last night at Shepard's Squish Empire. Hilary Duff is coming on. Now, Hilary Duff is...

3:10Jessie Ware: Younger.

3:11Lennie Ware: Younger. She's in the Netflix show called Younger. She's Lizzie.

3:15Jessie Ware: She was Lizzie McGuire. Yeah. She was an international best-selling artist. Is... She has a few followers on Instagram.

3:23Lennie Ware: How many does she have?

3:24Jessie Ware: 27 million, I think. Oh, my God.

3:26Lennie Ware: Yeah. she's incredibly successful and she is back with a really brilliant new album I loved it it's quite naughty it's quite explicit shall we say there's no innuendo there's no

3:41Jessie Ware: it's right out there yeah well what's roommates about touching yourself at the front door

3:46Lennie Ware: well well you listen to the album Lenny I think it's very relatable do you not that I'm touching myself at the front door I

3:55Jessie Ware: When you hear that bell go, you must get really excited.

4:01Lennie Ware: Jesus Christ. Anyway, Hilary Duff is coming on to talk about the record. She just played a sold out show at Shepherd's Bush Empire last night. It sold out in like seconds. Tickets were going for over a grand to get in last night.

4:17Jessie Ware: She looked gorgeous.

4:18Lennie Ware: She did and she had loads of costume changes.

4:20Jessie Ware: She's so pretty.

4:22Lennie Ware: She's pretty. She seems like a gorgeous gal.

4:25Jessie Ware: Oh, she could be my friend. Oh, really? Yeah, and she's so sweet and lovely and benefiting from her relationship with an older woman that she doesn't know is older.

4:36Lennie Ware: I think I was in the wrong age bracket for Lizzie McGuire. Yeah, you don't. But I have Disney Plus, so that's what my daughter's going to be watching. I'm very excited to have Hilary Duff on. Yeah. I'm cooking with help from my darling Rosie. I felt like Hilary's probably on a promo run. Well, I know she's on a promo run. She's probably a bit tired, probably wants to make sure that she's being able to do... Have you done a bowl?

5:00Jessie Ware: I've done a bowl. Well, everyone from LA loves a bowl, darling. That's what I thought, mum.

5:05Lennie Ware: It's a sticky miso salmon bowl and it's by Andy Baraghani. And I've done his recipes before, I think, and he's really good. And Jo, who helps us with the washing up, she'd done this recipe a few weeks ago and she said it was great. It's basically a marinade of miso, honey, tiny bit of oil, grapefruit zest and grapefruit juice.

5:26Jessie Ware: Is it easy?

5:27Lennie Ware: I hope so, yes. Yeah. Rosie's also brought her rice cooker, which I'm just going to get a rice cooker.

5:34Jessie Ware: Yeah. Oh, really small. Yeah, I've got a rice cooker to make Persian, erroneous. Well, I'm making sushi rice in there.

5:42Lennie Ware: So it's going to be sushi rice, sticky miso, salmon that's grilled. and then I got really beautiful those watermelon radishes, you know the ones that look pretty. Oh they're lovely. And then we're going to have some kimchi, I know you don't like it but it's good for your gut and I've got some chilli crisps so it's a bit of everything, hopefully very easy to eat and we'll keep her focused with the omega 3s and then for Pudge you text me last night saying I'm really worried about my dessert I've done lemon creme brulee but you said these could be the shitiest creme brulees

6:11Jessie Ware: I think I slightly overcooked them but they look alright and I think when you grill them that it will melt down anyway so I put Demerara sugar on the top. Have you got a blowtorch about your person?

6:26Lennie Ware: I'm sure Hillary could add that into the old album couldn't she something about a blowtorch but yeah I don't think I have after I think after we did it with Hayley Squires I think we decided that was the last time we did crème brûlée it's very brave to I think maybe we should just use the grill today Lenny. Because you said that the creme brulee wasn't very good Rosie had the genius idea. I was like maybe I should just give her a cookie.

6:50Jessie Ware: Why don't you reveal everything Jessie and then when she tastes it it'll taste like shit. It was between you and I. What do you mean? That comment was between you and I. I'm not sure about my creme brulee. Okay. It wasn't for public consumption. I'm sure it's going to be great though and the art here is going to be that

7:03Lennie Ware: everyone says your creme brulee is amazing.

7:05Jessie Ware: No it won't. It'll be fine.

7:07Lennie Ware: Okay well I made an emergency cookie in case. Toasted jam, miso, white chocolate cookie. Lunghi's always baking. Oh my God, I'd like to meet Lunghi. Well, you're going to taste a very delicious cookie. Looks fabulous. Yeah, so we're going to have cookies and creme brulee. I think this is fine. Good. Hilary Duff coming up on Tableau.

7:36Hilary Duff, as I live and breathe.

7:40Lennie Ware: You look fantastic. Gorgeous. Are you slightly tired? Because after a sold out, fabulous return to the stage last night. Yeah.

7:50Hilary Duff: Does it feel good? Oh yeah.

7:52Lennie Ware: Did you get any sleep last night?

7:54Hilary Duff: No. Was the adrenaline just going? My body was like... Oh, my God. But, no, I got four hours of sleep. Oh, yeah, very. Okay, crack open the dark. I know. Do you want a coffee? Dirty, dirty diet cokes. I try not to drink them too often. Oh, shut up, Hilary. It's fine. Why is that? Dirty, dirty diet coke. What's dirty, dirty? Okay, let's enjoy it, shall we? Jesus.

8:16Lennie Ware: Is this one mine? Yeah, crack open. And then, you know, I did get some orange wine because you do sing about it on the record. So you're going to have to educate us on orange wine because I can't stand it. You hate it? I'm going to be selfless.

8:28Hilary Duff: Isn't wine a wine, baby?

8:29Lennie Ware: Like, let's get our buzz on. I feel like it's a little, I can't do too, no, farmyard, I was going to say. Oh, farmyard. Yeah, do you know what I mean? But it's a little funky.

8:41Hilary Duff: Too earthy. Do you like a natty, a natty wine? To be honest with you, I prefer like a Sancerre Sauvignon Blanc.

8:48Lennie Ware: Oh, I've probably got something like that too, babes. What would you prefer?

8:51Hilary Duff: So my, I love that you listened and you.

8:54Lennie Ware: By the way, I didn't just listen. I studied and I respect and love the record. I think it's fantastic. I think you're going to have a fabulous time because honestly, Hillary, like it's really great. And I, and I, and I have to say, I think we're obviously, are you going to turn 40 soon?

9:14Hilary Duff: I am 38. I'll be 39 in September.

9:17Lennie Ware: I'm a couple of years older than you, maybe three, three or four. But I kind of missed you the first time around. I knew so yesterday and you were played on the radio, but I really, I feel like, and I've listened to all the records and I feel like this makes so much sense that you've made this record. And it's a kind of continuation. I don't feel like you've gone like this to any of your fans who I know you adore. It's kind of like they've grown up with you. Yeah. and as a mother of three and a working mom and a singer and doing all these different bits and bobs, I really related to a lot of the content.

9:54Lennie Ware: Thanks. And, you know, I'm not necessarily giving a head in the dive bar yet. Me not. You can say that in front of Lenny. Oh, we've been talking about what you do with your roommate.

10:06Jessie Ware: Yeah. At the front door.

10:07Lennie Ware: Oh, no. I love that you say you can't talk about it with Lenny. It's a single, babes.

10:12Hilary Duff: No. I know.

10:13Lennie Ware: So who is giving head in the dive bar to Hillary?

10:17Hilary Duff: I was just talking about this on the radio and I was like, I feel, you know what? Raunchy is like a big word that you guys use in England. Like that's not used in the States. Like it feels like very like, it feels naughty. Like raunchy is like naughty. It's naughty. Okay. So when I listen. But kind of nice naughty. Okay. Elevated naughty. Elevated naughty. Yeah. We'll take it. Yeah. I think if you listen to the song as a whole, you realize that the theme is like actually like a desperate plea to like get back to a place with someone that is lost. Yes. And so like back at the dive bar giving you head is like reminiscing on like a wilder, freer time.

10:54Hilary Duff: I've never actually given head in the back of a dive bar. I don't want to make anybody sad, but actually never have. Still time. Still time. Still time. It's a dive bar. Oh, a dive bar is like a dirty, grungy little like corner.

11:08Lennie Ware: You'll have like a pickle bat with you. You'll have a chaser. Yeah, you guys don't have dive bars here?

11:13Hilary Duff: Like we have pubs. It's like not a fancy spot. It's just like a neighborhood little spot.

11:17Jessie Ware: So you walk, I can imagine where it is in kind of New York. You walk down some steps and it's like maybe there's like no windows.

11:25Lennie Ware: Football's playing or they've got like good, what kind of music would be in a dive bar? Rock?

11:29Jessie Ware: Do they have music in a dive bar?

11:32Hilary Duff: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay. I guess it just depends on what kind of bar. Like if it's a sports bar, they're probably like playing rock, right? Where do you imagine yourself giving head? Which kind of dive bar?

11:42Lennie Ware: Jessica, I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.

11:44Hilary Duff: I hope they're like spinning a record like vinyl. Like that seems a little cooler. With natural ones. Let's elevate this, okay? I love this. Lenny, what about you? What would they be playing?

11:55Jessie Ware: In a dive bar? Oh, God, probably Tamla Motown. Oh, okay. What's that? Let's talk about your fantasies. What's Tamla Motown? What is it? Educate me.

12:04Lennie Ware: You know what Motown? Oh, Motown.

12:07Jessie Ware: Why did you say Tamla? That's what it was always called, Tamla Motown. Tamla. Tamla. Tamla. I don't know. Adam will tell me why it was called Tamla Motown. That was the label, Tamla Motown. Was it? Yeah.

12:20Lennie Ware: Label people in the back. Thank you. Thank you. But I think that, like, you know, talking about drinking wine, reminiscing, all these things. I mean, I guess when you've got four kids. Yeah. And what I find interesting is that you made this record with your husband, who you've made music with before. Yeah. But was this kind of, I want to know, was the conversations about these songs, did they happen before making or did the deep conversation have to happen after you came out with some of these lines? Like, I feel like, was it very therapeutic? Was it confronting?

12:58Hilary Duff: Yeah. I think it was a combination of both. But the thing that was, I knew I only wanted to work with him on the record, right? Why is that? I had never made a record like that before where I got to really, I don't want to say I don't control the narrative. Because, like, I'm so involved in all the records that I've made. But I've never really put the gates up and just been very singular about it, I guess. Or insular about it. Is that the better word? It's always been like, oh, you should be working with this person because they have this song and this song. And you should fly to Sweden because all the pop stuff is coming out of Sweden.

13:40Hilary Duff: And you should – a lot of input, input, input. And not that it was bad. It totally got me on my way. It was my journey and my path. But it took me getting to this age to be like, how do I want to do this? Have your own autonomy. Yeah. And be true to yourself. And be true to myself and make something that was just like really, really. I mean, I took 10 years off and I did a whole bunch of life during that 10 years as a human being would. But Matt has had a front row seat to that whole time frame. You know, so it just seemed like the themes that would come that are like heavily threaded through the record are very just like me and things that I've gone through.

14:28Hilary Duff: And it didn't make sense to like bring anybody else into that.

14:30Lennie Ware: I guess that's what I think is so telling about the lyrics, because they are incredibly open. You know, something like The Optimist. It's like, you know, it's heartbreaking. And, you know, I guess you felt safe enough with your partner to be able to put that into music. It wasn't like working with strangers and being like, how do I explain this part of my life? And I found that really engaging and interesting. And also, you know, we were talking about this before. We're going to get on to, you know, your start and all of that. But you were kind of the first Disney star to go and do all the rest, like the pop, the breakout, you know, The Miley's, the Demi's and Selena's came after you.

15:14Lennie Ware: And, you know, I heard lots of these references on the record. Maybe I'm wrong, but like I could hear a bit of Taylor Swift in there or like a bit of Sabrina. And we thought about this and we were like, well, they were probably all listening to you when they were little. Yeah. And they grew up on you. So it's kind of gone full circle.

15:29Hilary Duff: Yeah. Is that right? Well, yeah. But I have a really hard time talking about other female artists and like trying to compare or like find, you know, the internet is so fast to hear something one time and then be like oh reheated Sabrina and you're like first of all by the way I'm not saying it's reheated no no no no I'm just saying a cruel like internet take is like wild and you're like well I will I am older and I was here first and you know it's not there's like plenty of space obviously for everyone but every music is just it's very hard to be completely original anymore. You just have to go in the studio and make what you think is cool and make what feels what you want to fucking blast in the car.

16:15Hilary Duff: Excuse my French and and be alone with your like windows down driving like that's the record that I wanted to make. And you know, it's pop. So pop is pop. And a lot of that takes like cues from other songs or sounds. And if anything, it's a compliment because like these women are out there and feels like they've put a lot more time in than me. I stepped away to have a family, you know?

16:39Lennie Ware: I don't know, but you were working at a very young age. I was. That was like your sabbatical that you were having. I did. You were well-deserving.

16:44Jessie Ware: But it's quite guttural, some of the lyrics, like Alanis Morissette, for example. I mean, she's very guttural, you know, in her openness and real feelings. Yeah, direct. How old's your oldest child? He's 13. Will he be listening to it? Oh, yeah, he's listened to the referee. Okay, and have you had to explain anything?

17:03Hilary Duff: to him well he hasn't asked about I feel like talking about some of the roommate roommate lyrics or something um he doesn't bring it up but I've we've already had the talk about everything and

17:17Jessie Ware: I've explained everything to him so you don't have to shield him from it no at 13 what am I gonna yeah no no you won't shield him but I wondered if yeah if he was like embarrassed or something yeah or his friends might tease him about it oh god make her feel no I've already thought about it I just wondered whether she yeah of course you've thought about it yeah yeah I mean

17:38Hilary Duff: I really desperately love to embarrass him I feel like it's my right but his friends think I'm cool for the like time being yeah um and sometimes I ask if it's embarrassing to him he's the kindest sweetest angel baby of all time like he's just all good inside and so it's like like he he's just like i'm really proud of you mom i'm really oh my goodness i know it makes me want to cry he's really gonna cry now yeah but when he does if he does ask something i'm gonna be like hey guess what like outside of being your mom i'm a human and i think that's just a great way to like open the conversation to connect with him so he knows that anything that he could ever think or feel or say or do he could come to me about you know yeah and I think that's really important

18:22Jessie Ware: by the way you don't look like a mum of four she looked honestly I did start so young really young how old were you when you I was 24 yeah that is quite young yeah probably isn't quite young for

18:35Lennie Ware: the old days but it is quite young these days yeah I'm sure you kind of I don't know like you probably felt more grown up than the usual 24 year old because you'd had a working job from the age So you bought nine? Yes.

18:47Hilary Duff: And I was so ready to like have something that belonged to just me, you know? Like so I was ready. Like he was planned and – but it was really a wild choice. When I look back as a 38-year-old now, I'm like who was that pregnant? Getting to like doing such adult things even though I, you know, employed people and like made millions of dollars and like traveled around the world like with a major, major job. that was definitely the biggest like grown-up responsibility you know as somebody who does

19:20Lennie Ware: music and I have free kids and I have a slight envy of you that you were able to take this time out and I'm not saying you weren't doing anything in the time when you weren't you know your last record was 10 years ago yeah but I do there's something really beautiful that you you really talk about this a lot and like celebrating that time with your children and I feel like my career is happening at the same time you know what I mean and and so so you're like don't get the time with them that you I mean I get as much time as possible and I try and like you know I try and I'm gonna do the school pickup and I you know I do all the things I'll make sure I'll be putting them to bed but there's time when I'm not going to be here and so right but also think you know things take you away and I think it was harder at the beginning I think it definitely it was harder at the beginning and I think we found our feet and I have an amazing support network and I've been able to like work it out better but I do think it's kind of wonderful that you were able to focus in and I'm interested and I don't want to sound like that kind of textbook well how are you going to manage your job because you're a woman it's not that at all but like touring's going to be different for you this time around huh I know um do you plan to like bring the kids with because I know is your husband here at the moment he he's such an angel that he

20:36Hilary Duff: flew in to the show with me because it flew out this morning I know he's going to go back have like two days with our kids so they don't not have one of us there and then meet me in Toronto do the same and then we'll go to New York and then our nanny's flying with our baby because I can't go I can't go 10 days she's 21 months I know I know and she's so cute you guys she's obsessed with seaweed right now. And so she's learned how to say it. And she's like, fwee fwee. Fwee fwee. Fwee fwee. And we're like, I just want to like watch the video on repeat over and over again. But I got divorced from my son's dad.

21:11Hilary Duff: And I was filming younger at the time. So I spent a ton of time away. And it was really hard because I was like on the East Coast and I didn't want to like disrupt his life. And so he was like in kindergarten already. And the school's very like you know the kids can't miss and it's not like you know it's do you live in LA yeah okay yeah but I I do I did exactly the same like I just had to find the support system and you know the people around that have like basically become our family that can help you know know that every single one of our days looks different like it's not yes it's not and they can just like adapt and know what's needed and like jump in and be like so helpful and comforting and loving and whatever and be my brain for me when I can't be the one to like you know orchestrate the ship but I think they'll come on tour and the other thing that happened to me a couple of weeks ago was I was in rehearsal and surprises really I'm not good with surprises because I like to process and like wrap my head I don't think I'm a control freak you can actually ask my whole team that's here I barely ask any questions I just show up and I'm like okay someone's figured it out for me but you don't like surprises I don't love surprises because I get nervous that like my reaction wasn't as oh what people wanted it to be okay yeah and I just need to like get my head around it and then I'm happy usually what did they do to you they brought my tour bus out and they like pulled me out of rehearsal and they were like they were so excited to like this gorgeous bus and it was absolutely gorgeous and so nice but I was like how am I going to live on this with my four kids?

22:51Hilary Duff: Yeah, okay. They're like little slots for beds. Do you have a star room at the back? Also, by the way, kids have to poop all the time. There's no poop in the other bus. I'm very worried about poop. Where are we stopping? What are we doing? You can do the cling film trick. Like every single time? No, I know. How often do your kids? I have to, like, you're like. Have they not? Not that I have done the cling film trick. Excuse me.

23:09Jessie Ware: Have they not elevated tour buses so you can have a poo?

23:13Lennie Ware: It's like, sort it out. I don't think so. Why? It's mad.

23:16Hilary Duff: I know. I mean, maybe we should go into that business sorting out being allowed to poo on a bus. Don't you just feel like a good table conversation always sometimes ends talking about poop? Like, it just has to. It's just the thing.

23:29Lennie Ware: Lenny's like, no. No, we love, I mean, I'm kind of obsessed with poop. I think from having children.

23:35Hilary Duff: It becomes a very comfortable topic.

23:37Lennie Ware: Yes, I love it.

23:38Jessie Ware: Yeah.

23:38Lennie Ware: Okay, we're going to start talking about some food. We are going to feed you as well.

23:42Jessie Ware: But I need to know, you were born and brought up where? In Texas. in Texas so how did that when you started because you were a child star so did your whole family move with you no oh wow so where did you live so my mom started bringing us out to LA for like a

24:03Hilary Duff: few months at a time for like the seasons there's like an episodic season and um forget what the other one's called more movies type auditions and um so like pilot season that's in january isn't it it used to be i don't know okay i can't remember but yes yes um and we were there for like a few months and we go back to texas and we come back and go back and forth you haven't got much of a texan accent yeah you we when we got out to la we got teased enough that you just drop it oh my goodness i know people thought we would like we had like just dirt roads and like you know la kids are not like they're like do you still like we like ride to school on horses and stuff what love

24:49Lennie Ware: a steak yeah i thought you love so let's paint the picture what's a memorable meal from your

24:55Hilary Duff: childhood and who was eating around the dinner table okay so my dad used to cook a lot of steaks Yeah. And he also used to go deer hunting. So we eat like Benetton and stuff. Oh, my God. Okay. Bambi. Bambi. Oh, my God. I know. I know. I mean, I didn't know any better.

25:15Jessie Ware: No, I'm sure.

25:16Hilary Duff: I used to remember that they would also like go quail hunting. Have you ever eaten quail? I've eaten quail legs, I think. Yeah, I've had quail once or twice in France. Okay, so when they shoot, why am I talking about this? This is so random. Because we're on a food podcast back. Okay. so when they shoot quail it like sprays and so the bullet like sprays so when you like eat it and they used to call it shot and they'd be like careful don't get shot in your teeth or something and you don't want to like bite down too hard to shoot your teeth so we ate some pretty crazy things. Tiny though quail. Yeah they're really small

25:51Jessie Ware: and they shot them

25:53Hilary Duff: I think they had to get them down somehow

25:55Jessie Ware: yeah they do do they fly in packs? I don't remember these

25:59Lennie Ware: Okay.

26:00Jessie Ware: You were going out on that.

26:01Lennie Ware: I wasn't doing it.

26:02Hilary Duff: A memorable dish is really like what your dad would bring in. Okay, but my mom also cooked too. And so like casserole. Yeah, she's a pretty good cook. Casseroles and stuff. And it was you and your sister on the dinner table. And then. We always had like a salad. Okay. Ate most meals together. Or like, sorry, dinner.

26:19Jessie Ware: What time did you eat dinner?

26:20Hilary Duff: Early, like 5.30. Yeah, that would.

26:22Jessie Ware: You'd be. I love it.

26:24Hilary Duff: That's my favorite. Me too, baby. I'm back. Yeah. I'm on the early reservation. I want to be the first one walking in the restaurant I want to be in bed by 9 o 'clock

26:33Jessie Ware: same you make reservations for 5.30 oh yeah

26:39Lennie Ware: I'm like outside the door and it feels so good

26:42Jessie Ware: get a glass of wine in

26:43Hilary Duff: oh I did and I was devastated I've never been like I don't even mean hung over by like alcohol just tired hung over I was just like rocked we don't eat till 10 in Greece that is not okay No, I agree. I'm not hungry at that point. I've gone, like, what?

27:01Jessie Ware: It depends how your day's gone, really, and you've had a little sleep.

27:04Hilary Duff: Well, when you have young children that are waking up at the crack of dawn. Yeah, I don't know about that, like, luxurious lifestyle. You show me the ways.

27:12Lennie Ware: Okay, so I'm going to put the salmon on.

27:14Hilary Duff: Yeah, I'm going to carry on talking about food.

27:16Lennie Ware: And you're going to carry on chatting, but I'm going to assemble. We're going to have a sticky miso salmon bowl with, like, sushi rice and radish. I felt like this is what you needed after your big night last night. Yeah.

27:30Hilary Duff: I just want to let you know I did not eat yesterday. Oh, wow. So get going, Jess.

27:34Jessie Ware: You were nervous? Yeah. So she's starving. That's the key. Get on it, Jessie. Jessie, Jessie, did you notice that Hillary said she liked Sauvignon or a sans-sensit? Yes. We're ready to see what I got, okay? Yeah, we could have a little drink.

27:50Lennie Ware: I want to make sure that you're okay. Yeah, okay, hold on. Right, what is that? Oh, that looks a bit of you, babe. No, maybe not. Hold on. That looks nice. OK, it's a Chardonnay, though. Ooh. No.

28:00Jessie Ware: Ooh, really? You two. Completely with you. Fuck it. It makes me feel sick if I had to.

28:05Lennie Ware: Wait, is it a French Chardonnay? Because I think that's different. Because I think that's too fucking mine. Yeah, darling.

28:10Jessie Ware: They're too creamy and... I agree.

28:12Lennie Ware: You liked the look of it, though, didn't you? I did.

28:16Jessie Ware: No, Jessie, it would be all creamy and dreary.

28:18Lennie Ware: I don't know what that is, because I can't read Italian. We don't want creamy and we don't want dreary. God, you fucking hate that.

28:23Jessie Ware: Let me see, darling, because I can read. I don't know.

28:25Lennie Ware: It's Italian. Oh, you're a big one. Is that Leano? Okay, cool.

28:29Jessie Ware: It's a... I've got a fizzy orange, which is maybe what we have. San Gimignano, it probably is quite nice. Better than Chardonnay. You bitches. I hate Chardonnay.

28:40Hilary Duff: I hate Chardonnay.

28:42Jessie Ware: Me too.

28:43Hilary Duff: Oh, my God. I know. You'll like it? Yeah. You're like an old man. Only old men drink Chardonnay. Get out of my house. They do. It's true.

28:51Lennie Ware: I love Chardonnay. You don't.

28:53Hilary Duff: I do, actually. Why? Duff. It's actually very chic to like it now.

28:58Jessie Ware: It's very... No, it isn't, darling. Thank you. No, it's not.

29:00Hilary Duff: By the way, I also know nothing about wine. This might be nice. Me neither. I really don't. I just can taste it and say I like it or I don't.

29:09Lennie Ware: That's exactly what I do.

29:11Hilary Duff: Yeah.

29:11Lennie Ware: Let's see what this is.

29:12Hilary Duff: It's like a$9 bottle I love and like... Yeah. You know what I mean? Let me see. Cheers, darling. What is it? Here, Jessie, we're cheersing you. Is it okay? Oh, it's nice. It is nice. Fine. Fresh. It's fresh. I don't need a lot of wines I don't like, to be honest. Me neither. Yeah. Except for Chardonnay.

29:30Jessie Ware: To be perfectly honest, I can drink any wine. Right.

29:33Hilary Duff: Do you like a chilled red? Anybody like a chilled red? I love a chilled red. I love a Lambrisco. I love a Lambrisco.

29:38Jessie Ware: We're back in. We're fine.

29:40Hilary Duff: Thank you. Lambrisco.

29:41Lennie Ware: We can be friends again?

29:42Jessie Ware: Yes. Is Lambrisco now a thing? Oh, it's cool again. Oh, my God. That fizzy wine. Yeah, red. Fizzy red. Fizzy red that kids take to pop festivals. No, it's quite chic now.

29:55Lennie Ware: Mum, why don't you ask Hilary about The Last Supper?

29:58Jessie Ware: I'm going to ask you, first of all, do you cook? Yes.

30:02Hilary Duff: And what do you like to cook? I'm just kind of a basic cook, but I love to make a steak. Yeah. I love to roast veggies. Yeah. We roast a lot of, like, broccolini. Yeah. I make this good cauliflower with like vinegar and raisins and like parsley and caper and a kind of nut. Like if you want like a pecan or something in there. And then a bunch of parsley. And you chop it all up and you can pure, you can, what's it called? Pulse it in the food processor. And then you put it on the roasted broccoli and it's so good. And they'll eat broccoli that night. My kids will eat, sorry, I put that on cauliflower.

30:39Hilary Duff: But honestly, it would be good on broccoli too. I've just never thought to do it.

30:42Jessie Ware: It would be good on broccoli. Yeah.

30:43Hilary Duff: And then, you know, they're kids, so mac and cheese. Oh, mac and cheese. Yeah. Noodles. Noodles. Rice. I make a lot of rice. I'm from Texas, so we eat more rice than noodles there. Do you? Yeah. And my mom taught me how to make this amazing rice. It's very simple. Yeah. But you put the rice in the pot with no oil so it gets toasted. Yeah. And then you add the water or the broth. Sometimes I do chicken broth. Which rice do you use? Like basmati. yeah like a white long grain um and then i will chop an onion and grill an onion and get it like really soft and some garlic yeah add that and then at the end i like toss it with cilantro and it's so good do you eat out a lot uh-huh where do you eat out when you eat out okay we have this very cute neighborhood mexican restaurant called casa vega yeah and we eat it oh i love it i've got i've

31:42Lennie Ware: got the jumper you do and the girl from nobody wants this was wearing it and i was like i've got

31:46Hilary Duff: that jumper it's like the baseball top yes i love casa vega okay wicked so casa vega's great like little neighborhood spot our kids love going they're accepting of like the mayhem um and what would you order there oh gosh okay so they have this thing called moca jete oh my gosh you need to explain okay it's a bit like a you know when you get fajitas yeah and it's like you get like chicken or shrimp or steak and chicken or whatever. And then it comes with like, you know, the tortillas and rice and beans on the thing. A mocajete is like a, it almost, you know, like a brick, no, a mortar and pestle.

32:25Jessie Ware: Yeah.

32:26Hilary Duff: Okay. It looks like a big, bigger one of those. And there's beef, chicken and shrimp inside. Yeah. And then there's a pepper that's almost like a chili relleno, but like not fried. And it's stuffed with a cheese. Yeah. Wow. What's, I know, it's a big, it's a sharing meal. and then it has like a special sauce. Yeah. Then that's what makes it the mojete. And like usually in like a Mexican family, they'll have their own special recipe, like their special sauce. And so Casa Vegas happens to be really good.

32:55Jessie Ware: So your children don't mind spicy foods?

32:58Hilary Duff: Some of them eat spicy food and some of them don't. My four-year-old doesn't yet. My seven-year-old does. But I think she really enjoys the thrill of the spice but doesn't really like eating it.

33:07Jessie Ware: And it's a fun restaurant.

33:08Hilary Duff: It's a fun restaurant, yeah. We go to sushi a lot. We go to this place called Kiwami. Do you know Kiwami? Do you have a T-shirt from there? No? No, should I?

33:16Lennie Ware: Okay. Kiwami, Jess. Me and you, we're getting a 5.30 res. Great. Me and you, we're going to fight over wine and do it. When we come over. Next.

33:24Jessie Ware: Did you, well, I'm interested because you were a child star. How did that interfere with your education? I mean, did you have a conviction? Zero education. You had zero education.

33:35Hilary Duff: But I know a lot about a lot of things.

33:36Jessie Ware: But you're clever. Oh, thanks. You come across as really smart. You were homeschooled, right? Barely? Okay, got it. Yeah. Have you done any kind of orthodox education or tradition?

33:48Hilary Duff: My mom was like, can you just go get your GED? Do you guys have a GED here?

33:52Jessie Ware: What is that?

33:53Hilary Duff: It's like the most basic credential of an education. General educational certificate.

33:57Lennie Ware: Can I just ask, do you like your salmon cooked all the way through? You don't. Okay, good.

34:03Jessie Ware: Do you, is that, would you like to do something? I mean, you're doing things, you've taken a bit of a sabbatical. you've had your children you're now back with doing your music do you think there's a time when you might do some further education because you feel you've missed out or you're quite happy

34:20Hilary Duff: I'm happy and I feel like I educated myself on my own of like different things I was interested in like reading I love to read yeah you're a big reader I mean I don't have as much time as I would like to read but I really enjoy reading yeah but I think I'm past the window of like caring that my education wasn't great yeah because I feel like I got strengths in other areas and that kind of like helps and I'm not like shy to ask a question about something like I know that my life was different than most and like I don't need to be embarrassed that I don't know when like a certain war took place like there's google for that and chat GPT and honest and honestly something that's been so cool is connecting to my kid and having him teach me stuff that I didn't know about because he is getting a really great education.

35:10Hilary Duff: Are you aspirational for him? Yeah.

35:13Jessie Ware: Yeah. It'll be way more important for them to. So you would stick, because I noticed you said about touring that you wanted to make sure that your kids can stay in school and that's important. So your husband's gone straight back to make sure the kids are okay.

35:29Hilary Duff: We are like a very routine-based family, and I just noticed my kids do so much better. Okay, I think it's like on the edge of being,

35:36Lennie Ware: it's not overcooked, but it's definitely, it's got a little, it's not as raw as I think you would have wanted, and I'm sorry. This is stunning. I've never made a piece of fish that looks this beautiful. You're very sweet. It's a New York Times recipe. So it's Andy Baragani.

35:53Hilary Duff: Do you always like cook this colourful?

35:57Lennie Ware: I kind of do, but I wanted to make sure that you... I felt like, I know what it's like, the day after you're on a tour, you're back, I just felt like you needed good shit in you.

36:09Hilary Duff: Yeah.

36:10Lennie Ware: Enjoy.

36:11Hilary Duff: My midwives told me to eat the rainbow, so I tried to do that a lot.

36:15Lennie Ware: It's really delicious, Jess. It's a good recipe. It's got...

36:21Hilary Duff: Shut up, you're a very good cook.

36:23Lennie Ware: You're very sweet. I followed a recipe.

36:26Hilary Duff: do you want some salt or anything no it's so great um back to that conversation about my kids yeah i desperately don't want my life to become like this big looming shadow over how they have to like live their life okay and it's like one of my biggest fears about like going on tour and being so much like more like forward-facing because they're the like stars of our household you know and I want I want to like try my best to like preserve that so if it all

37:02Lennie Ware: goes incredibly well which I feel like it is going to and can we talk about now that you have more dates so this was your little your little appetizer this Shepherds Bush Empire give me the stats on this it sold out in like seconds and tickets were going for over a grand outside last night.

37:24Hilary Duff: Wait, really? I didn't know that.

37:25Lennie Ware: No, it's not your fault. It's fantastic for you. So people were like selling them for over a grand last night.

37:31Hilary Duff: See, that makes me upset.

37:33Lennie Ware: Yeah, but it's kind of cool too.

37:35Hilary Duff: No, it's very cool. It's upsetting, but it's also, there's a demand for you. 100%.

37:39Lennie Ware: So what's going on later in the year?

37:42Hilary Duff: So like Big Daddy, Big Daddy Tour is going on sale. Is that what it's called? It's what I'm calling it.

37:48Lennie Ware: Okay, the Big Daddy Tour.

37:50Hilary Duff: I mean, yeah, they're the big, big rooms.

37:51Lennie Ware: Okay, so tell us where you're playing.

37:54Hilary Duff: The O2. Oh, muzzle toss.

37:57Jessie Ware: Jessie, this is such a good recipe.

37:58Lennie Ware: This is really good. It's nice. You didn't put grapefruit in, though. Yes, grapefruit. Where? Grapefruit zest and grapefruit juice in the miso marinade. Oh, my God, because it is so bright and, like, citrusy. So you're going to do an arena tour in the States as well? In the States, it's going to be mixed, like, amphitheaters and arenas. Amazing. and can we say when this tour is? The one in the States is going to be over the summer and then this one will be in the UK will be in September. Do you think the kids will come along for that then, yeah?

38:34Hilary Duff: Yeah. And I'm desperate my son's obsessed with soccer so I'm desperate to sign up He's a Man City guy

38:41Lennie Ware: Oh, sorry mate It was a bad day for the Blues at the weekend Wasn't it?

38:48Jessie Ware: Yeah, United beat them. We're the other team, the red team.

38:52Hilary Duff: Okay, what is that called?

38:54Jessie Ware: Man United. Okay.

38:55Hilary Duff: He's a Man City kid. Why? Tell me why. He's like an LA boy.

38:59Jessie Ware: Because I think Erling Haaland.

39:02Lennie Ware: Also, City have been fantastic for a very long time since he's probably got into it. Okay. So your son's a glory hunter, basically. And that's okay. We've all been there. So you've got to get into a game. I know. Yeah.

39:17Hilary Duff: That's really exciting. And also I think I just have to get used to having them travel a long way for good experiences and memories for our family and then get back into routine.

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42:15Lennie Ware: Hilary, last supper, starter, main, drink, dessert.

42:21Hilary Duff: Okay.

42:26Hilary Duff: Do they all have to go together? No. Are you guys going to be disgusted if I pick things that don't go together? No. Okay. Well, I like so many foods, so this is really hard, but one of them is an In-N-Out burger.

42:39Jessie Ware: Oh, I love it. like that's how do you get better than an in and out burger why is it so good have you ever asked

42:46Hilary Duff: for a mustard fried oh no they put mustard on the burger and then they fry it and it just like adds this depth it's so i don't know how they can make onions so sweet do you think they add sugar that's

42:59Jessie Ware: what i do when i grill no because the onions probably you could just eat a whole bowl of

43:05Hilary Duff: those onions because they're sweet and crunchy i know it's so good but whenever i've gone i went

43:11Jessie Ware: once this time i was just in la and because my other daughter lives there and i went once and i go to the one near eagle rock off okay the i queued for an hour and we thought this is mad i'm queuing for bloody americans love hamburger and we were cute it was a drive-through and you couldn't even get your car around and I just sat there and then you know I just had a cheeseburger

43:37Hilary Duff: this is incredible depressing mom how do you feel about their french fries I didn't have any french

43:42Jessie Ware: fries oh are they delicious no they're a bit sad they're a bit cardboardy yeah like if I'm having

43:47Hilary Duff: my last meal I want like McDonald's french fries and then I want an in-and-out burger yeah and then I want like my appetizer would be like caviar on a potato chip with creme fraiche and like dirty martini. And maybe a glass of red wine. And maybe a Diet Coke. It's not classy. You gin or vodka? And vodka.

44:06Lennie Ware: With a background track, then. With a vermouth rinse. See, I like vermouth. Do you not like too much of it, then? I just like an essence. Okay.

44:14Hilary Duff: Yeah, and I want a blue cheese olive. Oh, everyone. A cast of Viltrano. I tell you where you need, where's cast of Viltrano? That's an olive. The, like, pretty colored olive. Okay. It's like light green.

44:26Lennie Ware: I would like to put to you, if you have time, to go and have a dirty martini whilst you're in London at Rita's. It's in town. It's very good. Okay. So I sent you.

44:36Hilary Duff: Can I tell you guys a confession?

44:39Jessie Ware: Yeah. You didn't want to come today.

44:43Hilary Duff: I was so excited to come today.

44:44Lennie Ware: She was really looking forward to it.

44:46Hilary Duff: But I did get to eat one thing before I came today. What did you have? Because I was starving. That's okay. Do you usually not have breakfast?

44:53Lennie Ware: No, I do. Okay, that's fine. Well, this is lunch. Can I tell you what I had? What? Salt beef. Oh, bagel. Oh, my God. Where was that? From Bagel Bay. On Brick Lane. Was it amazing? Oh, my God. To die for. Good.

45:08Jessie Ware: I love salt beef.

45:10Lennie Ware: Salt beef. If I had known, I would have asked you to get me a dozen. Damn, I'm so sorry. No, it's okay. Oh, what a treat. Was it fabulous?

45:18Hilary Duff: Yeah. I love, but I think we call that corned beef in the States. Yeah, you do. Because I saw it and I was like, oh, it's corned beef.

45:24Jessie Ware: Yeah, it's corned beef in the States.

45:25Hilary Duff: Salt beef makes more sense.

45:26Jessie Ware: And pastrami is pastrami. Because I went to Bell's Bagels up in Island Park. Okay. And we had... You're really in the Coolio part of town. You know that, right? It's not food. Not really. But we had corned beef rather than salt beef.

45:43Lennie Ware: And they do at the counter lactates. Because every Jew is lactose intolerant. So they've got lactates that you can buy at the counter. Because if you're going to have a cream cheese bagel, I think is so sweet. That's very sweet. That's my husband,

45:56Hilary Duff: my sweet little dude husband with a bad tummy.

45:58Jessie Ware: Yeah. What? We haven't gone there. I know. Jewish husbands always have bad tummies. That's when my veneer came out. Oh, God. So it was$300 later in Eagle Rock. Expensive bagel. Shocker. That's a bad day.

46:12Lennie Ware: Hold on. Did we get the main? Is the starter, is the main the in and out?

46:16Jessie Ware: She's mixing it up, Jessie.

46:18Lennie Ware: Yeah, I think the main is the in and out. Okay, we've got caviar. I've got lots of drinks Dessert

46:25Hilary Duff: Sweet tooth or not? I think my dessert I'm more of a salty girl But I'm not like a dummy So of course I love sweets I think it would be a banana's foster

46:37Lennie Ware: What's that?

46:39Hilary Duff: What is it? Banana what? It's ice cream And then they put sugar and brandy And light it on fire And put a half a banana in there and it gets almost like a creme brulee topping to the banana. And then they put the hot banana on the ice cream. Wow. And it's called what? Bananas Foster.

47:00Lennie Ware: Oh, that sounds fab. And I was going to do banoffee pie today. What's that? What? Banoffee pie?

47:07Jessie Ware: Banoffee? Do you call it banoffee? It's bananas in caramel with cream on top.

47:13Lennie Ware: No, you do like a biscuit base, then you put like condensed milk that you kind of reduce down. You caramelise. So you kind of like dulce de leche, like caramel. And then you put bananas and whipped cream on top. But I didn't do that. I'm fine. I really love creme brulee too. Okay, good.

47:27Jessie Ware: I made a creme brulee today. So we've got creme brulee.

47:31Lennie Ware: But also, because mum was worried that they weren't good, I did some emergency backup cookies, which I feel like your kids may enjoy. Great. It's not my recipe. Okay. But my darling nanny found it, and she's fab. This is a selfless vegan she is. She was like, what about this one? And I was like, wow.

47:51Jessie Ware: That's a good name for a cookbook, the selfless vegan.

47:54Hilary Duff: Wait, that is very good.

47:56Jessie Ware: Yeah. Trade mark. Yeah, trade mark.

47:59Lennie Ware: Okay, fine. Let's, yeah.

48:00Hilary Duff: Does the selfless vegan mean that you will sacrifice? You'll cook meat.

48:04Lennie Ware: You'll cook meat. Got it, okay. I'm not getting in trouble with the vegans. Like, let's just, we'll make sure that that's good.

48:09Hilary Duff: We already talked about shooting quails, so.

48:11Lennie Ware: Okay. We already, oh yeah, fair enough. We shot quails today. um so so um this cookie is not to like upstage your delicious pepper time it might not be um this cookie and you can take it with you have it later whatever it's you toast you toast some sourdough and you put um jelly you call it jelly jam what are you saying right now okay you're

48:35Hilary Duff: talking about a cookie yeah babe okay starts with toast and jelly okay that's really weird

48:40Lennie Ware: So do I. My starter's on the counter. How's yours? Is it thriving? She looks bored. Well, you know what? She was sad. You really keep that lid on tight. I mean, no judgment. You are actually, babe, it's on loose. Someone's put it on tighter than I would like.

48:58Jessie Ware: Let me smell it. Why don't you give her a bit to take home? No, come on, my starter's not happy right now. Jessie, give her a bit and then you'll be connected forever. No, that smells gorgeous.

49:10Hilary Duff: And she's happy.

49:10Lennie Ware: Hey, don't. She's not risen yet properly. You've just upset her. Oh, my God.

49:16Hilary Duff: Maybe I did an umbrella.

49:18Jessie Ware: No, I'm kidding. Oh, my God. Jessica, your lids come off now. She'll have a heart attack.

49:26Lennie Ware: She was still growing.

49:27Jessie Ware: The lids come off.

49:28Lennie Ware: That's really good to me. Yeah, well, let's see how she is tomorrow, shall we? I'm so sorry. Jesus. I hope she's frothy. What's yours called?

49:39Lennie Ware: Willa.

49:39Hilary Duff: Why is she called Willa? Honestly, I got it from the ballerina farm girl. Shut up. I mean, I just bought her starter. She didn't, like, hand it to me. Hold on, the trad wife lady. The trad wife lady. I'm obsessed with her. Okay, so I bought her starter and I built it. Do you think it's really her starter? I have no idea, but don't crush me. I'll tell you who my favourite trad wife is. Who? We know.

50:03Lennie Ware: Who? Nara Smith.

50:05Hilary Duff: Nara Smith, who makes the, like, she's like, I whipped up some brody pellets.

50:07Lennie Ware: She makes my kids were craving Lucky Charms.

50:11Hilary Duff: So I got off an eight hour flight and I made them Lucky Charms. And I put a ball gown on. Yeah. She's always in like couture cooking. I'm obsessed. You are?

50:20Lennie Ware: Yeah.

50:20Hilary Duff: She said she started the voice because her kids were sleeping.

50:23Lennie Ware: I heard she was German.

50:25Hilary Duff: Let's just start making them a bunch of shit.

50:27Lennie Ware: No, babe, we're not. We're not. Anyway, I love my TikTok is going to be like algorithms. It's going to be anyway.

50:33Hilary Duff: My friend Molly Bernard, she's one of my best friends. and she is on Younger. She's the redhead.

50:39Jessie Ware: Oh, I love her.

50:41Hilary Duff: Okay, so her and I became super tight filming Younger and we have this like game. We only do it between the two of us. I promise it's not like a, like a, it's like a bad thing. But anytime we're like talking about something that we don't know about, but we're having a great time doing it, we're like, oh, just make it up, make it up. Let's just make it up, make it up.

51:00Jessie Ware: That's a good idea. It's so funny.

51:02Hilary Duff: We go down really wild lanes and it's a fun game.

51:06Lennie Ware: I um I like the sound of this Molly she is an angel were you best friends with

51:14Hilary Duff: Sutton Foster as well we weren't no we weren't as close but like close but just but you're like different ages on the yeah you're close on the program but she's yeah no she's amazing she taught me how to crochet did she yeah Sutton taught me how to crochet and she's awesome too she's so great yeah Molly and I happened to have like a bond that was just like instant and we're the same age and kind of we were I was like single when we started shooting that show and Sutton was married and Molly was single and we kind of like you had fun yeah good um okay so this is creme brulee oh there's a lovely tap on that then oh

51:53Lennie Ware: yeah um it has curdled though I'm how do I suppose I say okay fine but the taste is lovely what do you mean it's curdled it's gone light can you see yeah but it tastes great it tastes great but it's

52:10Jessie Ware: i've never made creme brulee i wonder yeah it should be creamier it should kind of wait there's

52:15Hilary Duff: a lot of lemon yeah i like that i think but then the lemon would curdle the cream i don't wouldn't

52:19Jessie Ware: it this is from the best cookery writer sift she won the award nick of the lamb wait it does taste

52:25Lennie Ware: so good it tastes great these are the cookies that you should take with you or have a little bite So they're toast with jam, jelly. And then you whiz them up into breadcrumbs and you do it with white chocolate and miso. Ooh. Nice. Your kids would go mad for them. It's not custardy enough. It's not custardy. I don't know what it is. It's delicious tasting though. It tastes like a lemon souffle.

52:51Hilary Duff: I need a knife for the top there.

52:54Lennie Ware: No, I have one. Before we let you go, we've had so much fun. You are fab. And the album is fab. And now I'm really excited because I missed Lizzie McGuire the first time around. But now I'm going to, like, get to watch it with my daughter.

53:08Jessie Ware: How old?

53:08Lennie Ware: She's nine. So it's, like, perfect. Is that perfect? Perfect. And I was watching it and I was like, wow, it really, I feel, like, informed things like Diary of a Wimpy Kid and things like that. Like, I think that came after. It must have. But, like, I really think it was quite. Right. someone just asked me if I could say something to Lizzie McGuire before she became Lizzie McGuire

53:33Hilary Duff: what would that be and I was like whoa that's such an interesting I've never thought about that I always think about what I would say to like my younger self or like what I would say to myself after playing Lizzie McGuire and what all that felt like because it came with like a whole bag of things yeah but I think I told them I was like I think I would be like hey girl I'm about to do you big time justice like you know like I'm gonna play you on tv and you're gonna like solve so many issues for young girls that like don't want to feel alone or like don't like that feel a little embarrassed in their own skin or you know she was so relatable like she helped people through but I

54:12Lennie Ware: also you know I heard that you said you know you were Lizzie and Lizzie was you it was kind of you were growing up with Lizzie yeah and that must have been a crazy time and I mean it sounds like Like, you know, the album's called Luck or Something. And I know that that's kind of, and I don't want to paraphrase, well, tell everyone why it's called Luck or Something. Well, you can tell me what you think. Well, I kind of got told this idea that people are like, am I right? You're so lucky. No, no. How have you remained so grounded, normal, from being a Disney star, from having this, you know, huge success at a young age, continued success, Yes.

54:52Lennie Ware: You know, we've never really seen you fly off the rails. Yeah. Have we? No. And it's like, and you potentially would reply with that luck or something. I don't think it's luck.

55:05Hilary Duff: I think there's a lot of weight in that or something for me. Yes. Okay. So like, it is a little tongue in cheek. And I'm like, how does one answer that question? I don't, there's no formula that I followed to be like, I'm staying, you know, on this path, then I'm not going to let you watch me fall apart. Like it was not like an on purpose thing or some, you know, created thing. I think part of it is, I think there's a whole bunch of different answers that could be the reason why. But the or something is like, you know, I made a lot of choices that were probably pretty good as well. So it's like kind of owning, trying to take some of that power for myself.

55:46Hilary Duff: Absolutely.

55:47Jessie Ware: So there's nothing really you would have changed. Oh, gosh, there's so much I would change. You would have changed if you had the time again, because your life's been, you've enjoyed your life, you've been successful.

56:01Hilary Duff: There's a lot of, like, family trauma.

56:03Jessie Ware: Okay.

56:04Hilary Duff: There's a lot of, like, disintegration of family, which has been really challenging, yeah. So that would be the thing that I would change the most. But I've had a lovely life. I'm so blessed. I get to go home to my amazing family that I've created for myself, you know, and I would ship all of this off to like always make sure that I had that, you know.

56:27Lennie Ware: Last question. Nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere. A taste? Yeah, or a smell.

56:37Hilary Duff: My mom's chicken and dumpling soup. It's just like my childhood with a bow around it. Yeah. That sounds lovely. Yeah, and an upside-down pineapple cake. Have you guys had upside-down pineapple cake? Oh, lovely. It's, like, made in a skillet, and you put, like, the brown sugar, and I don't know if it's, like, cream or something, and you put, it's very Texas. You put, like, the canned sliced pineapples with the cherry in it, and then you pour the batter on top, and then you bake it, and it's so good. Gorgeous. Hilary, it's been such a pleasure having you.

57:10Lennie Ware: Oh, such a pleasure. And I wish you all the best with the record. I don't think you're going to need it. I really, it's a great pop record.

57:18Hilary Duff: It is so sweet that you gave it that much of a listen.

57:23Lennie Ware: I really appreciate it. No, that's very kind of you, but I wanted to because I was really enjoying it. And by, you know, the second chorus, I'm singing along. And so I've got my windows down. I'll be there singing it and I'll be singing it with my kids. And I'm really thrilled for you. Thank you. That you have your own autonomy and you, you know, you're so in control and it's like your story. and I think it's just going to be an absolute smash. So congratulations. Thank you. Well done. Thanks for coming. Oh my gosh, this was the best.

57:51Hilary Duff: Great. I loved it. Good. I'm coming back. Good. Great.

58:09Lennie Ware: I love Hilary Duff. You too. She is fun. She's great. Sassy, opinionated. Naughty. Naughty, raunchy. Definitely raunchy. Could have left my starter alone, but you know. She knows that that's really... I'm going to show her the loaf and see if it...

58:25Jessie Ware: Actually, it's looking a bit odd over there. Like it's fizzed up at the top. That's actually good.

58:30Lennie Ware: Maybe she did good for it. I don't know. Anyway. We need to give it a shake. Big fan. Record so truthful. I'm a Hilary Duff stan. Yeah. I'm going to be there watching Lizzie McGuire till I'm old, like that. And then Cinderella Story and stuff. Yeah, no, she's great. Fab. Thank you, Hilary Duff. Thank you for being so open and fun and drinking three different drinks and eating and being so complimentary. I like you a lot. And mum, thank you for bringing the creme brulees. The scrambled egg creme brulees. Yeah, they are, but they do taste nice. The taste was delicious. The lesson is don't do lemon.

59:03Jessie Ware: No, I think that I overcooked them at the beginning and they went like a bit like a souffle, but they're not like a custard. But honestly, I did my very best. I don't know what I've done wrong, but the taste is lovely of the lemon. That would be nice on a topping. Yeah.

59:20Lennie Ware: Thank you, Hilary. Thanks, Mum. And thank you to everyone who's listening and watching. And we'll see you next week.

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