Jaime Winstone

0:03Hello and welcome to Table Manners, I'm Jessie Ware and I'm sitting opposite Lenny who's in a very sunshine yellow linen top. Ready for our guest. Very nice. It's the colour of the season, I'm told. It's called saffron. Oh, it's saffron. Yeah. I'd say more. It's not as turmeric. Turmeric would be a bit more orange. Maybe a bit more. Yeah. I think it's a bit more. A burnt yellow, should we say? I don't know. Very nice. In the background, you may hear my son getting his nappy change. No, darling. Let's not talk about nappy. He's very into M &EK, head and heart, Joel Corey. You've been on food duty today.

0:39I've done the last two, haven't I? Yes, darling. I'm enjoying cooking. It's great. I'm sorry that I couldn't do it today. Do you want to do it all the time? No, but I'm sorry that I couldn't do it today. So I did ask you to do a lunch. I also requested the lunch. I hope she likes anchovies. Well, she'll have to pull them out, won't she? Tell the listeners. I've made a salad nicoise. Strangely enough, I got the Icado delivery this morning and the Icado magazine had salad nicoise. They added capers, which I've never done before, and red onion so I put those two things in as well so I thought that and I bought quail's eggs because I thought they looked fancy um not quite sure how long to cook the tuna for I might ask her how she likes her tuna cooked seared or seared but they're quite thick steaks because I prefer thick to thin ones that will go dry but how long would you cook it for Jess I don't know I don't mind it really like rare so I'd probably I don't know three to four minutes on each side okay maybe Yeah, that's what I think I'll do.

1:41Have we got a griddle? Yeah, I've also got a fire alarm that loves to go off when the griddle goes. Not with all these doors open. Jessie, your kitchen's the hottest place in the universe. Yeah, it really is. It's kind of beyond tropical in here. Yeah, I had a blow dry that was supposed to last the whole weekend. And alas, it shan't. At least you've not got grey hair anymore. No, I now have like a line of brown around your head. I hate that, where the dye's been. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, today we have an old friend of mine, actually. She's the loveliest, most energetic, generous person in the room.

2:19You know when she's in the room. She's a force of nature. She's fabulous. It's Jamie Winston. Fantastic. One of my vivid memories of her is we were both at Glastonbury. I was heavily pregnant with my first baby, and she was taking her little baby to Glastonbury. And I thought, wow, that looks like a lot of work. And she looked like she was just having the funnest time. You only ever take them when they're in your tummy, darling. Yeah, I won't take them either when they're that age, but I just thought, wow, she's rock and roll. She's rock and roll. She's in 2.22 at the moment, which is in the West End.

2:56It's that ghost story. Lily Allen's starting in it. They've had everyone from Lily to Cheryl to Jamie. and it's a massive success on the West End. I haven't been to see it because I don't like scary stuff. Oh, I quite like it. It's supposed to be like really... Like Woman in White. Yeah, I didn't go. It wasn't that scary. Oh. Right, well, maybe you won't be scared. So she walks down the aisle behind you and then you get scared. Oh, spoiler. So Jamie's in 222, but she's also in a new comedy series called Count Abdullah. It's on ITVX. she's acted since she was a young young girl obviously following in her dad's footsteps ray and she's a big activist she was really involved in extinction rebellion and she also does loads of stuff for climate change and um nature but she knows how to have a good time and i'm sure she's got a food story or two she has a house her parents have a house in italy i really want to know it's very much like we go to greece every year she goes to italy every So, yeah, I'm sure she's got some really good recommendations from there.

4:00Jamie Winston coming up on Table Mouth.

4:11Cheers! Jamie Winston's in the house and I was trying to be good, but my mum has just ruined it. Mummy dearest has totally twisted my arm. It wasn't hard, Jamie. It wasn't hard, let's face it. It never is. It's always a pleasure to see you. I usually see you in a field or in a club dancing. So actually, I don't feel like we've ever really sat down for a dinner. No, we haven't. I think the last time, James, my partner, my fiancé, was very, very excited. Well, we're going to talk about you, but let's talk about your lovely other half's amazing initiative. Are you mad? Which stands for, are you making a difference?

4:52and he's basically trying to change the face of being a waste man and how we recycle and it's amazing because he's basically started this youth movement where you go to local businesses and you ask for the plastic and then they bring the shops in get all the plastic show her kids how to wash it clean it melt it down use the equipment and turn it into really amazing useful stuff like sound engineering stuff or stage equipment or incense holders or grinders you know whatever whatever appeals to the youth nowadays and yeah they're doing really well it's amazing I mean yes I'm about to marry a glorified dustbin man which wasn't part of the plan but you know what it's cool it's amazing and I'm really inspired by it so yeah well done Jamesy.

5:45So when are you getting married? In October. Oh my god amazing. Yes it's very exciting. And are you gonna do it in Italy or are we? We're doing it in Sicily yeah. Because I know you and I know you go to Sicily. Yes. You've been going forever. Mum and dad live there for most of the year. My mum's not truly converted yet but dad is there whenever he's not working. It's just amazing. Sisley have you been to Sicily? Yeah. It's just stunning. It's incredible. It just It feels like it's this... It feels like it's the 70s, for one. There's no real bougie-ness to it. It's quite... Which bit are they in the north or the south?

6:20We're in Agrigento. Oh, down at the bottom. Down at the bottom. That's the best bit. It is. Are you worried? Because, obviously, White Lotus. Oh, my God. Are you worried that every Tom, Dick and Harry are going to be there this summer? Yeah. It's your place. It's already started. It's hard to get to Agrigento. Yeah, it is. Best swordfish I've ever eaten. It's stunning, isn't it? The fish is amazing. You see at night these boats out with a big long pole at the front to catch the swordfish with the light on. But it really is the best in the world. The best swordfish I've ever eaten. No, we absolutely love it.

6:54The best fish and seafood you're going to get. But it's also obviously the good produce. So it's just everything's really simple. Tastes lovely. Tasty and just good. It just feels like the simple life. Let's talk about the play. Oh my lordy. How's it going? It's going amazing. I'm absolutely loving it. I don't know the play. What part are you playing? I'm playing Jenny, who's, I've been describing her as the hostess with the ghostess. Oh, so you're not a prostitute this time. I am not a prostitute. Mum! No, she's always a prostitute. I am always a prostitute. I have just played a dominatrix, actually.

7:30You see? Is that with Count Abdullah? Which came out yesterday. Wow. Actually, I've only played a prostitute once. I know. I know you have. And that was a very serious drama in four lives. I know. You were so amazing. Oh, thank you. That was dark. It was dark, but so important. But on that note, I have just played a dominatrix vampire. This is on ITV. That's just come out. And it's a comedy series. It's a comedy based about a Muslim doctor who is struggling with sort of culture referencing his life and the things he wants to do in his social life and also balancing that with his religion and his culture.

8:10and he then meets me, Kathy, who's a 150-year-old vampire, who's a part-time dominatrix, who has a taste in men and women that, well, basically it's an AB positive blood type that she goes for. Oh, that's what I am. Oh, well, you'd be totally up my street. Yeah, 4 % of the country now. But it's halal, halal. Oh, I'm Jewish, would that know? Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's almost the same. Nothing doesn't discriminate. She tried it, but it's not her thing. You know, she gets her dinner at mosques. So it's extremely controversial. This sounds brilliant. Yeah, but it's really fun. It's really taboo. And it really gets the conversation going of, you know, where do we place ourselves in society?

8:56And why do we sort of always fit with these types, blood types? But, you know, it's a very play on culture and cultural appropriation. And I'm playing across a great actor called Aria Nick, who's amazing, who's super hot as well. Super hot. Horrible, having to suck his neck. Yeah, it's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. Just sucking on his neck. You two are terrible. Awful. But Ghost Story. Yeah. Ghost Story has been so epic. You know, I did see the play originally when Lily did it and sadly had to erase that performance because I just so desperately want to make it your own. And that's what Danny Robbins does.

9:42He creates a really blank canvas of these four different characters and they're all very ordinary people that we can all relate to as an audience, that's why it's so clever. But then it flips on its head and it becomes quite supernatural. Jessie's scared. I've heard it's really quite scary. It is scary. And it's really funny. So you're, you know, in one breath you're laughing and the next you're jumping out of your seat and you're kind of questioning like, wow, do I believe in that? It raises all these things in you where, do you believe in the supernatural? You know, where do I sit in this class system?

10:22And it's very clever and very relatable and very scary. So how long do you do this run for? I'm doing it till September. So, yeah. And you're getting married. Yeah, and then I'm getting married. So my summer's a bit... Different this year. Different, yeah, it is. Tell me... I love you. Different. I know your dad's Ray Winston. Yes. But who else is in your family? So I've got my beautiful sisters, Lois. Lois. Who is beautiful. She is beautiful. She's magic and she's a force to be reckoned with. She's a rock star. She's the rock star of the family. And what does she do? She's a musician and she's also an actor.

11:04She's done stuff like Game of Thrones and she's done loads of TV stuff. But her music is what's in her bones. And then my beautiful little sister, Ellie Ray, who is also training to be an actor. She's at the theatre school. I know. We're hoping. What does your dad think about that? Oh, you know, it's a bit of a nightmare because it's clearly all in our blood. But he's super proud. I mean, we're all so different. Yeah. You know, Ellie's very classic. You know, every time I've seen her act, she's just very period drama and classic. And she looks like a little Marilyn Monroe. So we're all just so proud of her.

11:41And the age gap between us is 15 years. So we're all just like, oh, God, she's so different and magical. So what was the dinner table like in your, because... Well, growing up, you were only two of you. There were only two of you, really. Yes, two of us, and we had a very different upbringing to Ellie Ray. We grew up on a council estate where it was, you know, get a takeaway. Dad was always cooking, and Mum was, but we got fed what was put in front of us, you know, as you do growing up. What was the best dish your Dad could? um probably steak steak and chips that was always kind of like quite a luxurious meal special yeah but then mum would always I always do this for my son as well I always cook it a good bit of haddock with a poached egg and some greens and my son absolutely loves it and it really takes me back to when I was growing up because it just even the smell when you know it's been cooked in the house you're like oh god yes we're having a favorite.

12:41Do you cook your haddock in water or milk? Milk yeah I do it in milk. I actually don't drink milk anymore. I've really become sort of intolerant to milk. Every time I drink it now, it makes me feel a bit sick. So I'm an oat milker now. But when it comes to the fish, it's got to be milk. It makes it so much more flavoursome and yummy. My son loves it. That's so lovely little bit. How old's your son? He's seven now. Yeah, so I'm saying to mum that when I was pregnant... You've got a big boy. I've got a big boy. I've got two stepsons as well. 13 year old Rufus and 11 year old Hudson who are my step boys and Raymond who's Raymond Jago who is seven where does he go I know so where did you grow up so I grew up in North London Enfield okay and then I was born in Camden and then now I've I spent most of my time in Hackney in East London but I've now retreated because you can't drive anywhere in Hackney and you can't do anything Hackney and it's a little bit just got a bit expensive and after the lockdown I was like I just need some space for my mental health and I just need to look at nature a bit more and I'm now in Hertfordshire.

13:50You're happy there? I love it. Really? I love it I really feel like I've just had a breath of fresh air and just watching Raymond and Big House. Big House Good schools. Good schools happy. Why did you choose Hertfordshire? It's quite near to my mum and dad. Okay, yeah. For the babysitting, it's, I mean, I don't really trust anyone with my child. It's a bit of a nightmare. Oh, dear. You know, only best friends and parents, so. Who looks after him when you're working? My mum. Oh, so you don't even have a nanny? My mum at James, because James works quite round the clock as well. No, we sort of tried a nanny, and Raymond was just kind of like, this woman keeps following me around.

14:34They just didn't get it. and I was kind of the same, you know, and it's, you know, when we go to Sicily, we have a Sicilian nanny, but, you know. So when you go to work, what time do you have to leave to be at the theatre? So now, when we was in rehearsals, I was leaving at eight in the morning and getting home at six at night. So what I was managing to do is bed down, bed down time and read a book time and watch a bit of TV if it's a Tuesday or Thursday. But now I'm getting home at 11, so I'm missing like vital cuddle time. Do you get up in the morning though? Because that's quite hard. I do, I get up.

15:11I'm not doing the school run. No. Especially when like Count of Dilla's on the TV so I'm just kind of like, it's a bit full on. Mum's at the school gate, yeah? Mum's at the school gate thinking like I'm this part-time demonatrix. Without her whip. Yeah, without her whip. Like people just, you know, it's a bit odd. So I haven't been doing the school run but I managed to do the pick-up time which is nice. Have you made friends then? What, at school? In Hertfordshire. Yeah, I'm not really like a neighbourly person. Are you on any of the school mum's WhatsApp groups? I am, yeah. They're quite fun.

15:47It's quite full on. Yeah, I like it being a voyeur. But I wouldn't be able to do it without it, to be honest, because I keep up with everything. I mean, thank God for people that actually read the emails. Thank God, honestly. God bless you, the people that are proactive on those WhatsApp groups. God bless all those mums that keep me on. And even this morning, I managed to buy the PE kit for the... What's it? Sports day? Sports day. The sports day, which I'm running in. But I didn't know that they had to have a T-shirt and what colour they are. So they really keep me in the loop for things. And they're coming to see my play and stuff.

16:23Really? So that's cute. We can all get the train home together. So you're still super close to your family? Super close to my family. We're a tight-knit family. You know, it's quite crazy. But if Dad's back in town and I'm around, you know, Sunday roast is a must. Okay. You know, it's a big deal at my house. And he's making it. He's making it. What's he making? Oh, we just get pictures. We literally get pictures of what... Just food. So has he really come into his own now that he's, like, living in Sicily? But he works as well. Well, I know. I know. I mean, like, with food. I'm convinced he does need his own YouTube channel because he is obsessed.

17:05I mean, look at this. I just get pictures of meat covered in rosemary, like on the regs. It's our religion. Yeah. It's, you know, eating. And I tried to do non-meat for a while and it turned out I'm anemic and I actually do need to eat meat. Well, because you're quite an activist, you know. Yeah. You were doing a lot of the Extinction Rebellion stuff, if I remember. Yeah. And also, are you a patron to a certain... What's the charity? For the Greenpeace, and I also... I'm an ambassador, main ambassador for Save Wild Tigers, which is something that just is really close to my heart. I worked with Simon Clinton for about 10 years now.

17:45But when I first started, I just suddenly... For me, just becoming quite involved with Save Wild Tigers, I was kind of like, this animal is just so regal, and it represents so many women I know. And that was my kind of route into Save the Wild Tigers. And then it suddenly was like, God, they just don't have the space and they don't have the preservation rights. And the poaching was just becoming, I mean, there's something like 3 ,000 wild tigers left in the wild. And it's not long, 3 ,000. And it's, you know, although there's sanctuaries for them to survive and, you know, paths being created for them, it's you know we lose the tigers we essentially lose the the king of the jungle and you know already the jungle has been affected by our everyday lives but we lose we lose the tiger we that that's pretty much the beginning of the end in terms of the food chain and and what what what happens next the rhino's gone and for me it's just been a really amazing because it's quite overwhelming you know and I think we all got become really overwhelmed in the pandemic with you know actions and doing the right thing doing the right thing and recycling and what we should do and kind of got a bit overwhelmed with it and I stepped back a bit because I was like actually I really need to focus on my mental health and what I do in my It hurt the pandemic.

19:13I really did. Because for one, artists and singers and anybody in the arts were told to retrain, which is just retrain and, you know, reboot what you do, which is just totally ridiculous. Because none of us would have survived without a book or a film or music or being able to. What would you do if you weren't an actress? If Rishi had it his way. Yeah, if Rishi had it his way. Yeah, I struggled quite a bit. And I found my frustration being like, but then again, I took pen to paper and I started really concentrating on my poetry and concentrating on, you know, stuff that I love. My podcast was born from the pandemic.

19:56Yeah, I want to talk about... You were huge, actually. You were a huge inspiration with us with The Greatest Night Ever. Thank you. You know, because it was like, God, where do I find my voice here? It kept me going, the podcast. Yeah. Because we did it by Zoom. But let's talk about your podcast. I'm going to go and share. Because it's such a great idea. So the podcast was born from the pandemic and saying, God, I'm really struggling to find my voice. What is something that we haven't really heard out there? Because we were getting told, I mean, yours stands alone in its own right. We were like, God, we really, what would we want to hear?

20:33And came up with this, well, just think about our greatest times and our greatest night ever. And God, it'd be great to hear about that. and legitimately get like people's journeys. And, you know, the more we sort of dabbed deeper into it, it was more like, well, this isn't just about parties. This is about people's greatest moments in their life. And so we decided to kind of expand on that. And all of a sudden it was just kind of like, wow, we've got real legs in this. And, you know, I then had a boudoir that was kind of like, oh, imagine if we did it in a boudoir. And I actually bought a caravan to go on tour with it or to go to festivals and get people in after shows and talk about their greatest moments ever.

21:14And, you know, we were actually sort of pitching for a book at the moment. Well, we were actually writing in process of writing a book. And it just because it just had such legs and it brought so much joy. But it's also an extension of you. It is. And that's what makes it authentic. Yeah, I think. You are the ultimate party queen. Yeah. But you are. I do love it. You bring the joy to any room that you come to. And so for you to do a podcast that's about that makes total sense. Oh, well, thank you. But that's what makes a podcast work. That means so much coming from you because you are literally joy in music as well.

21:49Oh, thanks, babes. But I think that's amazing. So do you enjoy it? I love it. You know what? It is a lot of work, but it is also, it's joyous. And you can tell people, you know, people have to do press routes all the time and it becomes quite exhausting. and this was just like, no, this doesn't need to be press-related at all. This needs to be just you talking about what you love. And, you know, it's been really enlightening, you know, and I think it's been really nice and insightful for me because, you know, we all got... I definitely got labelled as a party girl in my 20s and I think everybody parties in their 20s.

22:26But the thing about me is that I actually love every aspect to what it is to have the greatest time. you know it's not just about having fun sticking some music on getting drunk no they're actually you don't really remember i've been to raymond's party like you do it you're you're you're doing a good time in the afternoon yeah we like it castle yes we know how to you know how to entertain and i think that's really important and i think after the bloody pandemic people were really told what to do and you know this is how you just eat good food and do this and do that and you know represent this and it was just kind of like oh god you know what like I'm done with that what makes me happy and what makes us happy as humans is being social and also sharing moments that we love like that spreads um that spreads like a healthy virus you know and I think that was the the tonic we needed and it just was born organically and it it got legs I mean I was called a glorious podcaster it was really it was a real special moment for me because I'm always kind of like you know once you're media trained you're sort of like oh god you know can I say this can I say that so it just opened up a window of like ownership on actually I'm going to take that title back and I'm going to claim it in a rightful way rather than be like oh god you know we can't do this we can't do that like of course you know I work really hard and as a mum like I have the entitled to dance and remember it and talk about it and everybody feels like they're a bit like oh it's naughty when you talk about that and it's like raving is a part of my culture it's who I am like dancing in sweaty rooms and and learning figuring out what I love and you know vibrations high vibrations it's important was it was it hard when you were labelled that in your 20s because you were an emerging actress.

24:28Yeah. And then you were obviously, you were in the tabloids quite a lot. So it kind of, it delegitimises your... Yeah, completely. Yeah, did you feel like you had to tussle with that? It really does. Like, law suits galore. You know, like, it was, it's hardcore because I've never missed a day's work in my life. I've never not brought 110 % to the job I do. I'm so lucky to be able to do what I do and continue to work. But it's a miracle I'm still working with the British press at that then. You know, they were cruel and mean. And, you know, I don't think we need to go into that anymore because we've seen what happens.

25:12We lost loads of people due to it. And I think, you know, there's a tricky route that you play, but there's also a really strong belief in, like, if you let your work do the talking. Because, yeah, it's hard, but, you know, paranoia can play a massive part in... I think social media now is so much more responsible for people's careers and people have their own voice. Then we didn't have that. It was four papers on the tube going home and pictured in the same clothes that you were wearing. You know, it was kind of like a clash of the titans when it comes to social culture. But I just never really let it go to me and I've never really respected fame in that light, as long as my work does the talking.

26:01But it was definitely hard, you know, where people are convinced you're one thing and It Girl was being flown around and Party Girl. And, like, I think you've just got to claim it, you know? like yeah I love to party but god do I love my job more and you know god do I know how to party responsibly and how how you do it I don't know oh medium then do me let's go in the middle let's go in the middle that sounds great that sounds amazing oh my god how lucky are we having your monkey I just love the idea that you're going off to the theatre after this oh yes it's so And walking the board, darling.

26:40Doesn't that feel quite fabulous? It is fab. Have you done theatre that much before? I have. I did a play years ago. The first time I stepped on stage was a play called Fastest Clock in the Universe, which was a Philip Ridley play. And it was amazing. My first character was, she was a 17-year-old, crystal meth-dealing, pregnant, pigtail-wearing woman called Sherbert Gravel. and like you couldn't get better role. Amazing. For me, I was just like, oh God, can I do theatre? Sherbert Gravel's a really good drag name. Sherbert Gravel. Well, that was it. I was like, oh my God, I love her already. And then I walked on stage and I just was like, had this moment of, God, am I going to be able to do this?

27:25Because, you know, stage fright's real. And the words just like spill out of my mouth and I was just like, this is where I'm supposed to be. So even though I do a lot of film and TV, like stage is ultimately where I feel like I shine because I really buzz off. I'm an adrenaline junkie. So I really buzz off playing with the audience, not knowing what's going to happen. So yeah, she was great. And then I did something with lovely Russell Tovey. So such a babe. Amazing actor. Amazing actor. And we did a thing called Sex with a Stranger at Trafalgar Studios. So this is, essentially, it's not really my West End debut, but it's kind of, kind of is, because it's kind of a phenomenal play, you know?

28:11It's kind of like, it's just been such a hit. So I'll just, I'll roll with that, whatever, you know? So, I mean, I feel like everything's thriving for you. You are everywhere. You're on screen, on stage, you're doing podcasts. I mean, it feels good at the moment, right? It feels really good. Yeah, I'll take a moment, in a way, because it's a lot of hard work and a lot of dedication and I've missed out a lot of being with my son this year but you mix it up, you juggle. Pardon? Which plates? They're fine, I think, yeah. Thank you, Mum. Whoa! Oh, my God. Oh, my Lordy, this looks amazing. Darling, your griddle needs, you need a new one.

28:50Do I? Yeah, because it didn't get the line. It sticks. Well, yeah, a griddle always sticks. No, it doesn't, darling. Mine doesn't. It's not oiled properly. Oh, they're at it again. This is nothing, Jamie. This is... Please help yourself. Thank you so much. Can you put the dressing on? Yeah. Wait, so tell me what's going on here. It's salad niçoise. It's got everything in. Yum. Do you not eat anything? No, I eat everything. Oh, my God, that is delicious. Good. So fresh for a day like this as well. Thank you, Jamie. I said, what should we do, Mother? Should we do a tuna nice rush? She went, delicious.

29:33Oh, it's delicious. Perfect. For a summer's day. Okay, Jamie Winston. We would like the last supper. You're going to a desert island for a year, let's say. And you're not going to be with all your favourite, I don't know, food and drink and stuff. What would you do? Starter, main and pud. Okay. Drink of choice. So, my starter, I mean, I did think about this. and... Thank you. But I thought, are we on a desert island? Because prawns is not the best option, is it? Don't think about the desert. You literally can have anything. Right, okay, so I would definitely have a prawn cocktail. Lovely. I would have a prawn cocktail, but like a really grand, lots of sauce, lots of lemon, lots of pepper.

30:20Like, I can't have a prawn cocktail because it's just always... It's just delicious and it's refreshing. Is there one place that you've had a really great prawn cocktail in your life? Just at home. At home. My dad does a really killer prawn cocktail. Does he do with small prawns or does he do with the big meaty ones? He does small, but he does big as well. But I like the small. I like it like I'm a kid. That's always my go-to when I was a kid. So it would be a prawn cocktail. And then my main. And this is really difficult because I don't want to sound like a... basic bitch, but like, it would have to be some serious like pasta dish.

31:02Like a mac cheese truffle mac cheese. Like, that's going to keep me going. That's going to, you know, feed me up. I'm not going to eat for another 10 hours, let's face it, after a mac cheese. You're really, you're thinking about this. You're going very method on the approach to the desert island. Well, yeah. Mac and cheese could be a side dish. Alright, alright, method. Alright. Right, Mac method, side dish. Method Mac on the side, please. And then obviously, like, I don't know, I like it all. I like, do you know what, that's when you ask, what do I eat? I eat everything. I'm really not fussy because I like good food.

31:43I like good produce. If it's good produce, then I'll eat it. But my favourite dish is probably a good bit of fish. A good bit of fish and a good bit of salad. But I find it hard to, like, knuckle down. There is one thing that I have to have with a roast dinner, and this is going to sound very weird and Welsh of me, but I have to have bread sauce with everything. Is that wrong? Lenny, are you looking at me like... It's usually only with... Usually, then people have your puddings with chicken, which I find really odd, but the kids love it, don't they? Why would you deny yourself when it's delicious?

32:19But it has to be with a roast dinner. So bread sauce with a... What's your favourite roast? Beef. No, pork. Crackling. Pork, crackling. Apple sauce. Homemade apples, tarty sauce. Apple and pear, actually. Dad does this pear. And James has started doing it now. And it's kind of like a pear syrup. Yum. Of an apple sauce. And you put it in the oven for a little bit. So it kind of caramelises. So it's kind of like soft. But we don't eat pork, Jessie. I know, well, you do. Yeah, but you could just have the pear and apple sauce with a crumble even. The pear and apple sauce sounds amazing. You know? You could go that way if you're feeling extra fruity.

33:05Have you got a sweet tooth? I do have a sweet tooth. I love anything syrupy. In my later years, I've got a little bit more chocolatey. I didn't really used to like chocolate, but I like a sort of mousse-y thing now. But a tiramisu, yes, any time. Yeah. Oh my lordy. Are they peaches? They're peaches that I've done in, like, I mean, look. That is so up my street, I cannot tell you. It's peaches with a bit of butter and round sugar and mascarpone. That is literally, like, my favourite dessert. Good. Camaretto on top.

33:51Jamie, my son has joined the table. I'm so glad he has as well. So food-wise, can you cook? We've talked about Ray, and we've talked about James' apple and pear, but I'm not really on this planet to cook, I don't think. Okay. But saying that... That's so great. I don't think I am. I'm just... But I have been cooking, which has kind of got over my fears. I don't really like cooking for groups of people. Yeah. Get a bit nervous. I like to host. I like to be sous chef and do all of that stuff. Organise. When it comes to me cooking, I get really, like, quite nervous. And then break something and then, like, make a whole...

34:31Like, when I went on Sunday brunch, I pretended I cut my finger because I was just so nervous. Oh, bless you. And I was, like, made the producers swear. It was all a bit of a nightmare. but every night on stage I am cooking a risotto and it's kind of like it's not me, it's Jenny so it's a whole new you're not as nervous in a different persona I am domesticated goddess on stage she's domesticated and she just knows what she's doing she's great at risotto she nails it, I'm cooking asparagus I am doing a stock it's quite amazing but that's not me, that's Jenny Have you taken Jenny's recipe back home to Hertfordshire?

35:10No. And I won't be ever eating asparagus risotto ever again. I feel like that's mad that you can do it on stage in front of a room where thousands of people do a sofrito, chopping onions and celery and garlic, yet you can't do it to a group of friends. No. It's just weird. It's like, you know, different cloaks, I guess. I don't know. Like, I just, it's fine. So if we were coming over, you'd host, but what would be on the menu? If Lenny and I were coming over, what do you think? You should get a dad in to cook. No, I wouldn't. James would cook. James would cook because he is amazing. We'd do a really amazing wild tropical salad.

35:53Use of mangoes, probably. Some sort of mango in there. And probably a fish dish. We're really good at fish. What's your favourite fish? The collective we are good at fish. We are good at fish. We do fish. fish. Which fish is your favourite? He has been known to do salmon probably. He does a really good salmon with like a garlic sauce inside and then some dill and some dressing lemon around it. Very simple, very good. Good bit of fish. You said you have a really good fishmongers don't you? Yeah, in Nunhead it's amazing. Of course it's so good. Soapers. It's really good. And pudding, what would be for pud?

36:31Pudding would be my idea of a really good pudding is a really good homemade apple crumble or apple and rhubarb crumble but we are so spoilt now for where we are in Hertfordshire we've got loads of good really good farm shops my heavenly shop is a farm shop give me a farm shop over Selfridges hello don't we spend so much money in there and then you get like the gigantic life size bottle of roses and you're like that would look so nice in my garden that's a piece of furniture buy a big candle to put in it just to buy it yeah I spend a lot of money at farm shops and Pierce's is the one near me and amazing meat amazing fish so really if you've got a good bit of fish you're winning yeah you're right it is about the produce because you can make it quite simple if it's really great it's we're making elderflower at the moment oh my god I love that we used to make it do you remember the Isle of Wives did we I used to pick elderflower.

37:33Yeah, we love it. We've got it. Do you do it with Raymond? It's been sitting at the moment. Yeah, Raymond picks it. And we actually do a really good mushroom tincher, which has been really amazing for the immune system. Sorry, what? Yeah, it's really good. Shock to Jamie, medicine woman. We love it. We love it. So you go and pick the mushrooms, but make sure they're the right sort of mushrooms. Got it. You don't want to be tripping. No. Well, you might want to be. Have you been taught about foraging mushrooms? Because you can get it wrong. Well, you can get it very wrong or very right. It depends what sort of day you're having.

38:07But, I mean, I'm really open to it. I'm really open to sort of like the medicines from the nature. You know, like, yeah, I'm really into it because it works. Do you want a bit of medicine, mister? Oh, bless him. And do you feel like it's helped? Have you seen the difference? Yeah, completely. It's just like taking natural vitamins, you know. Do you have What do you take For your voice Voice is Steam It's salt water Steam and salt water You know Should really lay off The fags But What can I say How much are they A packet now Oh I don't know They're expensive 19 pounds Someone told me they were 19 I think they're 19 pounds Oh my god I hadn't realised that It's ridiculous It's disgusting I mean you can't really go From talking about Tincture to bloody cigarettes But you did But I did And that's who I am That's good But I hadn't I mean, someone told me there were...

38:57I had some medicine all the way. And I didn't believe them. What? How expensive they were. They are. They're ridiculous. It's just stop you smoking, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, I did try to vape for a while, but it's just kind of hurt my throat more, dare I say. You've kind of answered this already, but I wonder if you've got a nostalgic taste or scent that can transport you back to some place that's good or sad. Cherry brandy. Oh. Cherry brandy. I thought it was going to be the haddock in milk, but okay, tell me about the cherry brandy. Cherry brandy. With avocado? No, cherry brandy, just lolly from an ice cream van.

39:40Cherry brandy lolly. They're really good. They're really good, but they've just gone. Gone out of fashion. Just this year, gone. So you can't, because I could get them up until last year and all of a sudden they do do them, but they're not the same. They don't taste the same, that old-fashioned, real cherry brandy. Anything really cherry, though, like cherry drops. Like, when I was a kid, that was my naughty sweet. Could I just ask one thing? I hope you don't think it through. Do you say you were born and brought up on a council estate? Yeah. And then your dad made it. Was your dad not working as an actor then?

40:16No, he was. He was working. like he had done things like Scum and then did like a bit part in Get Back and had TV jobs. And then things happened for him. And then, yeah. Was it Sexy Beast? It was kind of Neil by Mouth. It was kind of Gary Oldman and Kathy Burke Neil by Mouth that did it and then it went on to Sexy Beast. So your life changed? Yeah, it did dramatically. We moved from a council estate in North London to Bel Air in Hollywood. You know, it was extreme. And like... Oh, you actually lived in Hollywood? Yeah, we lived in Hollywood. I lived there for... I mean, I've lived there twice, but I lived there for about a year and a half.

41:07So we were there. Wow. It was pretty... And then you didn't go back to the council estate? No. We went to Essex. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, and that's why it's always kind of like quite extreme because people always say, oh, what did you do? Like, you know, in terms of school and stuff, like I left school and we went to Bel-Air, so it was very sort of one extreme to another, but we didn't really like it, you know. It never really phased us and it was like as soon as it kind of, we kind of got bored in Bel-Air, it's not that fun. It's gated communities, it's just not. and my mum was you know after you know driving around in a nice white car for after a couple of months it was bloody boring yeah and dad was always on set and I worked with my dad I was a runner for years and that's how I kind of learned how to sort of navigate on set and how cameras work and how directors work and and and tv and film um and my first I was a runner on you know a Spielberg film that was like my first sort of school job.

42:14But you're still so genuine and warm and real. Yeah, because I think it's a job, isn't it? Like, you know, I think that's like the big illusion sometimes. And, you know, I've worked with some people that really play the role of a star and I get that, but like, it doesn't do themselves any favours. I think, you know, if you really just stay true to who you are and let your talent speak, like you'll be successful and also you can live your life instead of being like this sheltered little because that doesn't look fun you know like I think it's better to just stay grounded I mean obviously like it's nice to be major you are major and on that note you're about to head off to the West End and they're off to stage darling thank you for doing this thank you best of luck with the run best of luck with Count Abdullah thank you for my food as well, stunning you've got so many brilliant things on the horizon it's a nice year this year, you know thank you, love you ladies and maybe I'll see you in a field one time soon, maybe it's happening

43:41Mum, that salad was really delish. Good, darling. Jamie Winston, she's such fun. Delightful, lovely, warm person. Love being with her. So warm, and she's never changed. I love it. She just lit up a fag after that. She's going off. No voice rest for Jamie today. I apologise in advance if she loses her voice this weekend from gassing with us. No, she's just a delight, wasn't she? She's fun. Good fun. Rock and roll, the best kind of rock and roll, isn't she? Thank you, Jamie Winston, for coming over before a weekend run of 2.22. Yeah. We're going to go and see her. Can't wait. She's on until September.

44:20Fabulous. Count Abdullah is out on ITVX now. Yeah. And, yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Jamie playing Kathy, a dominatrix. A bit of SNM. I think she'll be fabulous at it. I'm thrilled for her. It was a real pleasure to have Jamie in the house. She's wonderful. The tuna nisoise was delish, Mum. Fabulous. Why do I need a new griddle? Should I just sack that griddle off? Well, I think you either have to season it by rubbing. When you wash it, rub oil on it, and it will season it a bit. Because I put olive oil on it, and it's still stuck, like really stuck. So it needs a good wash, and then rub olive oil on it to sink in.

44:55If anyone knows how to season... It's olive oil, darling. Okay, okay. Because my wok that I bought, too, looks an absolute bugger. Yeah, you have to rub it with oil. Okay. Anyway, my little peach thing. Delicious. Stunning. Quite nice. Really fabulous. It's amazing what butter and sugar and mascarpone can do, isn't it? Thank you for the little amaretto biscuits that I crumbled on top. Those are nice, aren't they? Great. I don't know how you've still got them in your house. Where do you get them? They're probably about a year and a half old. Oh, great. Alice brought them about two years ago. They're all right.

45:32thank you for listening and we'll see you next week