Jamie Laing and Sophie Habboo

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0:17Lennie Ware: Dancing through circles of time It lets me leave It's Mr. Rice

0:28Lennie Ware: Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm in Mum's kitchen today. How are you, Mum?

0:33Jessie Ware: Well, I had a morning of it. An event for the morning. Yeah, yeah. Veneer fell out last night at dinner. What were you eating, Lenny? A lamb chop. Your fave. My favourite thing. And it was very tender. They're the most delicious lamb chops. Did you go in with the front teeth? No, yeah, but it was a small bit. But I just thought I'd just get that last bit off the bone. And it came out. I looked like a pirate. Did you stay for dessert?

1:06Lennie Ware: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:07Jessie Ware: I talked like that with my face covered. And then my friend said, oh, it's all right. You know, mine came out last week. and so um i then emailed my wonderful dentist dr guy is he so wonderful if it keeps on falling out no he didn't put it in this one this was done in america anyway i emailed him at nine o 'clock and said i'm in big trouble i've got a podcast tomorrow can i come in first thing he emailed back within five minutes we love david guy thank you i adore you everyone at the table said what sort of relationship do you have with your dentist you've always had close relationships with your dentist because i'm there every other week i see them more than i ever saw my husband and yeah and i'm financially indebted to them or they're indebted to me

1:55Lennie Ware: anyway well it's back in yeah it's back in and you'd prepped all the food yeah you are a super

2:00Jessie Ware: woman lenny i did so you've made this breakfast smile doesn't come for nothing you know um i want

2:07Lennie Ware: to know what you've made i've made a challah and chive bread and butter pudding which i hope will

2:14Jessie Ware: be nice i made it yeah like eggy bread yeah i made it yesterday and it's been in the fridge with a weight on it but it still looks quite liquid but i'm hoping it's gonna go in the oven yeah does it have cheese in it it's got some feta at the bottom and some parmesan and some parmesan on top so yum yeah i hope so and then with what just with the salad and some roasted tomatoes with yogurt great and then i made some what's the otolenghi roasted tomato i made some biscuits

2:43Lennie Ware: for dessert you made them yesterday as well yeah and by the way we did record a podcast yesterday as well you are yeah i think i am you are overachieving yeah and what are the biscuits

2:56Jessie Ware: banana pecan and chocolate yum so like a mini banana bread no they're biscuits they're not bread okay because you told me not to make banana bread because i was doing bread pudding i think

3:09Lennie Ware: that was a valid point so you've made this all for uh our guests our two two guests yes husband and wife yep we have jamie lang and sophie habu coming on today who are coming over to talk about their new disney plus tv show called raising chelsea you will know them from made in chelsea where they met they have their own podcast which was called nearly weds then they got married then it was called newlyweds then they got pregnant it's called nearly parents so i don't know is it called newly parents now i don't know um but they are a duo that do red carpet together interviews on the red carpet um they are very very funny on a power couple building that empire as they say in the program i've watched three episodes they're so easy to watch they're completely charming their house is fab and it takes you through them trying for a baby getting pregnant and then having the baby i mean jamie is on his phone in the lindo wing being like sophie is uh this dilated and you know does she mind well she's the right i mean she looks fab all the time, by the way.

4:29Lennie Ware: Even when she's in the middle of the night and they're filming them and she's so deliriously happy and tired, she still looks gorgeous. I mean, like she's had 12 hours sleep. Yeah, so we're excited to have them. And we were at Wimbledon with them in the summer, sat next to them. Jamie, I've always had so much time for Jamie. He's always just been the same fun, lovely person. Lovely, lovely person. And Sophie is glorious. and I saw them at BAFTA recently where they interviewed me and they were on great form and that even features in like the third episode of the show. Did they interview you before you sang or after you sang?

5:07Lennie Ware: Before, it was like red carpet stuff.

5:08Jessie Ware: And did they not come up afterwards and tell you you were fantastic?

5:12Lennie Ware: Well, I didn't see them because I think Sophie was desperate to get back to Baby Ziggy.

5:15Jessie Ware: See, I wonder why you didn't get the call for the Oscars. Oh, please mum, stop.

5:20Lennie Ware: Because Barbra Streisand lives in Los Angeles and it's her song. Maybe.

5:24Jessie Ware: Maybe that's the thing.

5:25Lennie Ware: Maybe that could be the reason. I think Barbara's pushing for a bit of attention now. I think Babs is deserving of singing her own song. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Anyway, Sophie Habu and Jamie Lang coming up on Table Manners.

5:47Lennie Ware: Jamie and Sophie, welcome to Table Manners. Ooh! Congratulations. Thank you. You're back. In business. This is your first podcast back. This is my first anything back. Well, hang on, babe. I saw you on the red carpet looking very glamorous doing the do. Lying already. You, this is my first podcast back. Okay, well, thank you. We're honoured. How are you? How was last night's sleep? Last night's sleep was, I will say Jamie's very good. Thank you very much. I'm glad we picked up that out. He's actually really good at the nights and I'm good at the days. Great. But then he also goes to work in the days.

6:22Jessie Ware: Oh, crikey. So when do you catch up? I don't. This is why we're eating treats. I don't catch up. And I do some night and I'm... No, no, no. I feed him in the night. But then, you know, the rocking afterwards. Then I pass to Jamie. That is normal. Thank you. I'm not quite sure that's always fair. It's called co-parenting. Co-parenting. And can I just say, you know, the whole, the mum should do it because the man, or whatever, stereotypically goes back to work. But working in the day is looking after the baby. it's so tiring and I feel like I need more energy than you okay well this is what Sophie Sophie has this idea that because I don't really need that much sleep I have to do the sort of rocking and the burping

7:04Lennie Ware: that is quite time consuming that's the bit that's longer than the actual feeding it's so it's so long and then when you're she's got to wait for that fart or that burp when you wait for it and also when our baby Ziggy he does this thing where he's about to fall asleep and you're literally going oh my god and then he'll wake him safe up again and you're just like, what are you? It's 3am, go to sleep? It's exhausting. I know. Can I just say this, guys? I now salute all mums because... Thank you, Jamie. Just going to put it out there. Being a mum is wild. From the pregnancy, that's long, and then giving birth, the giving birth bit is...

7:41Yeah, it's mind-blowing. Oh, my God. That's a lot.

7:45Jessie Ware: It's so much. Did you do just gas and air? Or I had everything? thing i had everything but i actually wanted to do looking back on it i was crazy i wanted to do a water bath with nothing and i actually got told by my doctor i don't think you're quite the right candidate because i he was like i was like why he was like you've been in to check his movement every other week i think you're a bit of an anxious person don't think water bath is right for you for the first one uh yeah it's two water no no no no no no oh my god so jealous no but like

8:18Lennie Ware: my really good family friend on the first one, on my first birth, she was like, treat yourself to an epidural next time. Come on. And I was like, you're right. Why, why do we try and be these heroes when we're already fucking birthing? Because you're married to Sam. I was in competition with my mother-in-law. That's why I did it. Yeah. She had two autoburfs. I would say. And I was like,

8:36Jessie Ware: right, well, anything you can do, I can do better.

8:41Lennie Ware: So I don't know if I did it better. It's not a competition. It is. It is. Then your doula did a little chakra on you,

8:47Jessie Ware: didn't she?

8:47Lennie Ware: What are you talking about? She was throwing rose petals at one point.

8:51Jessie Ware: Yeah. Stop. Oh, my goodness.

8:53Lennie Ware: You're so earthy and amazing. No, I'm not, actually. That's really incredible. No, no, babe, babe. The first one was wild. The first one is crazy. I did not do any of that in my first one.

9:03Jessie Ware: Tell them about when you went into hospital with your sunglasses on and your earphones. I looked mental. I need to know.

9:10Lennie Ware: I was like, basically, I'd done all the hypnobirthing and we'd gone in. I was like, babe, I am fucking smacking this. like we've watched zootopia as our like endorphins like i was like oh my god look at us oh my god wow like this is really working sam was like i don't think you're as dilated as you think i was like i'm just nailing this okay i go in to uch because i thought i'd get preferential treatment because my brother was a student doctor there yeah i like your thinking yeah yeah schlep from hackney and then get there and they're like yeah you're you're two centimeters dilated like you're not go dilated they fucking sweeped me and then it was like and then like go home i was like

9:51Jessie Ware: and then it went mad and then i went mad jesse wasn't talking to me because i teased her about being late i said oh aren't the chakras working for you darling she wouldn't let me in the house so we weren't speaking we weren't speaking you weren't speaking you know what it's like at the

10:06Lennie Ware: and you're just like a bit of a crazy person. Bad term, yeah. Oh, yeah. But also, when the waters break... Yes, well, this is in the show. You kind of... Your lovely sister gets the text message as she's doing her, like, chat to camera, being like, oh, my God, her water's just broken. You're on the group chat. Yeah, that was a crazy one. How was that? Did they hook you? He hooked me. How was it? Oh, not comfortable, for sure. but my God, the amount of waters. So I was, I, everyone kept saying to me, you must be having twins, you know, that one. Like, you're so big. And I think I just had so, I literally had to see you in me.

10:46Jessie Ware: But I remember you at Wimbledon and you did look, I don't want to be rude, because you're gorgeous, but you did look big then. You didn't. And I said to Jessie, how did she have the baby in December when she was already showing quite a lot in June? Eight weeks. I was like, boof, I'm not joking. but also can I just say when the water I was quite I was like I want to experience everything right I was like I want to be every I want to see it all so I went level just to see what the water was like and it was like going down like the log chute at Thor Park I was quite like can you move and come and stand by my head and not keep poking your head underneath my mouth you didn't want him down the business end no he was like it was like Noah's Ark it was so much water and I was like that's wild and then and then And then I also, I just kept looking the whole time because I wanted to see what was going on.

11:37And it's faster.

11:38Jessie Ware: God, you'll be on call midwife next. I would love to. And then there was one point where I looked down. I was the one who said, look, it doesn't quite look right. I kept saying, I'm ready to push. I'm ready to push. I'm ready to push. Everyone's like, no, no, no. There's no way you were two centimetres, half an hour ago or an hour ago. I was like, something needs to come out. And Jamie put his little head down. He was like, I'm telling you something. Yeah, it honestly was... The head was there. It wasn't the head. It just, it looked, it looked more open than normal. And I went, that just looks like something's happening.

12:13It didn't look... No, what you said is it looks like... Yes, I was dilated. But he was like, it looks like a hoof. A horse's hoof. As I'm lying there, like... It looked like a tranchler, like, ready to... A tranchler?

12:26Jessie Ware: Jamie, has this changed your perspective on women's bodies? No, I honestly, now, I like... You're back in the fancying mode. I don't think that ever left. No, I'm sure. No, it never left. But it could destroy your faith in it, couldn't it? It could destroy your faith a little bit, but it didn't. It made me just look at my mum and women, and I was just like, this is... There's no ways a guy could do that. There's no way I could lie there and give birth and not complain. He's a proper feminist. Honestly, the whole thing was wild. But there's no way, when you think about it, that that baby's come out of your body when you think the little small opening just becomes vast.

13:06Lennie Ware: So can I ask, because, I mean, we're going to talk about Raising Chelsea. Third episode. Yes. Shows the birth. I mean, it shows the whole thing. Jamie's there with his phone being like, okay, so this is, you're in the, like, in the corridor of, like, the lindo. Like, you've documented that. And I kind of presumed it was a C-section because you had the screen up. Did it end up in a C-section? It ended up in a C-section. Oh, so you went, oh, no, bloody stuff. I laboured the whole way to nine centimetres. That's what? A cheat. That's really tough. I mean, I mean. The baby's out and healthy and it's amazing.

13:39No, so the baby had, he had his hand was coming out the cervix. So when I said, I'm so dilated, I need to push. He looked and he was like, and he actually laughed. Our doctor, he was like, God, what are the chances? You are ready to push, but the hand's poking out the cervix. I was like, oh my God. So it's really difficult to get him out. So then you have to go into, like, theatre.

14:02Jessie Ware: So how did they have to push the hand back in? Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, the whole thing. Do you know what, guys? It was actually this whole wild thing.

14:09Lennie Ware: You really went through it all, then? It was kind of mad, right? And so we were obviously shooting our show, Raising Chelsea, right? And there was this, like, whole discussion. Do we want to film the birth? Do we not want to film the birth? And it's... A lot of people will be, like, why do you even want to film this part of your life, let alone film that right and so we're going through this whole thing and then the decision was to not let the cameras in we're like we're not going to let the cameras in so we don't want to do that to the actual birth because it's quite it's very intimate and private etc so we're like fine whatever that's cool and then we were so we were expecting to have this like birth this normal birth natural birth and it'd be totally fine and magical and all these different things and then suddenly this thing happened where it was emergency c-section and when that happens you panic and I was in this complete panic zone Soph was saying so calm and it was like you were so calm it was insane you were so calm I was like suddenly in scrubs the whole thing was just wild and we got taken to theatre and by the time they said you need to emergency c-section now to the point where we're getting ready to go it's like five minutes it's like it's instant and we're in there and why it's so kind of magical this thing on our show is that we didn't are the midwife oh that was the midwife filming it anesthetist who was she just picked up the phone and started recording she was the most incredible lady ever that's really sweet because she said she was like you'll want this in the future so when they filmed it and what did you see in the series it's like we didn't even know the camera was there we weren't even thinking that is like pure and for us it's so magical because it's like that is actually it doesn't matter whatever situation if you know there's a camera on you you probably will act a little bit different because there's a camera we didn't even know there was something filming so that is raw exactly what was going on in this situation which is kind of wild to see and you know bless like Sophie's just being like will I be able to like touch him?

15:52Lennie Ware: You're just in that like survival mode. I need to get to my baby. And then you're worrying about Sophie and kissing. It was very beautiful. It was very, very touching. Oh my. I was trying to stay really brave. You were being amazing. No, no, I really wasn't. You should see, I really wasn't brave. I was like, oh my God. Because you can cry, can't you, Jamie? Yes, but I wasn't crying. I was like trying. I was like, oh my God. And one of the doctors or someone came in, one of the midwives, someone came in and she said, you all right? And I went, oh. And she went, oh, it's your first. And I went, why is that?

16:23Lennie Ware: So then that made me feel like... You won't cry next time. You won't cry next time. You just drag her out by the foot. It'll be fine. Yeah, it'll be absolutely fine. But it was a wild, intense, magical moment. But you were such a great... You were just telling Sophie how amazing she is and how bright... It was very beautiful and it just showed how solid you two are. She shushed me. She shushed me. Because you know when you're in that stage, I was just so like the doctor said you're going to get tugging I was like I need to focus on my baby and he was so loud in my ear I was like you've got this you've got this and I was like shh I just want to hear my babies cry is that what it was is that what it was I didn't hear that in the thing I thought you were like sniffing or something no no I didn't go shh and I'm like they kept it I went I went honey you're my hero and she went shh and I was like I would have done that mum tell them what you said to your first person well when I

17:15Jessie Ware: my baby got My first one got stuck. I'd gone in for a, what was a Le Boyer birth? What's a Le Boyer? He was the great French gynaecologist. So you had soft lights, music. So you were taking a piss out of me, but you were doing the same thing. Jessie, I wanted everything by the time. But what I hadn't realised, I was in labour for like a day. Okay. Nearly two days because Hannah was stuck. She didn't, she was coming out face, you know, not head, foot. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So she was stuck and they kept saying, oh, it's a really enormous boy. Anyway, I had this medical student and he kept on saying, breathe like this.

17:52Jessie Ware: And he had terrible breath. And he was breathing. And I said, look, please could you go away? Your breath is horrendous. I cannot cope. And so your dad said, don't be so rude. I said, oh, fuck off, all of you. Just fuck off out of this room. Because it was so awful. Anyway, Hannah came out with Keelum forceps They're the very big ones And it was like pulling out a calf It was like With her foot on the bottom of the bed To pull her out

18:24Lennie Ware: No way

18:26Jessie Ware: And she came out Great And I thought, fuck, I've gone through this And she's dead Honestly, I didn't feel sentimental at all I thought, god, she's dead That's inconvenient You and my mum are quite similar in sort of ways of just like being, the way that you're, communicate stories. Yeah, Frank is really good. And my mum said when, I think it was my brother who came out and my brother was put on to it and they were like, here's your child. And she was like, oh my God, you're covered in gunk. Can someone wipe his forehead? Because she was like, what that? It's just astonishing all the gunk that's covered.

19:00The verdict.

19:01Lennie Ware: The verdict. And then I don't wash it off, just rub it in. Oh yeah. Now, look, we've got to talk about food a bit, but we're going to keep on talking about Raising Chelsea and all your other entrepreneurial, you know, endeavours. These are very good, Jamie. Thank you very much. You know, thank you. I appreciate that. Delicious treats. That's what they call it. They're vegan chocolate. It's spelt wrong, Jamie. Yeah, well, it's spelt... I don't know why it's spelt that way. Why are you... Why have you done that? Yeah, well, I don't know, because they were... It must be a play-on-sweet, surely. No, it's just different.

19:29Oh, yeah.

19:30Lennie Ware: That must be it. No, come on. You need to know the answer. No, that is what it must be. That is what it is. Thank you, Sophie. It's not a play-on-sweet. No, it's not. What is it? Let's go with that, Jamie. Okay, we'll go on that. Because there used to be a brand back in like the 60s or 70s. And then they didn't sell them anymore. So we took on the name and resell it. And they were like a German brand. And they're called Treats. Yeah, Treats. There you go. Okay. And there you go. And so what? Like with the chocolate mixture. Yeah. Is this your first foray into chocolate? Yeah, but it's vegan chocolate.

20:00Don't worry about it.

20:01Lennie Ware: Because Candy Kitchen's is vegan. Yeah. I feel like I'm better at talking about your brand. No, Sophie says that she doesn't like candy and sweets. No, no, no. I like them. I like the eating mess. And I don't like the sugar. No, the only one I don't like, I'm just going to say, is the watermelon. And everyone seems to just be obsessed with the watermelon. And it's just not my favourite. Fair enough. Fair enough. Which I get. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. So you've had lots of people here. And you always record here. Yeah. So you had Margot Robbie here. He's talked about this twice. I think maybe this.

20:30Lennie Ware: Is this recently? Yeah. Yes. It's called Wuthering Heights. I know. How does she look? She looks amazing. But what I want to know is if someone wants to go for a poo You want to go and sit on the Do you need a poo? I don't need a poo but I went to take a pee but I was thinking if Margot Robbie needed to go for a poo I know but it's quite interesting to know that Margot Robbie would have gone for a poo in your childhood health That's so weird that that's what you're thinking about I was thinking that in my head Like her defecating Defecating sounds a bit more intense It feels a bit seething and great but also like if she needs a poo go and do a poo has any of your guests ever done that I don't know babe I haven't gone and sniffed you're probably the only guest that would come out and be like thanks so much I just went into the chin I love that that's the question you're fucking asking us because in my head I'm thinking because it's quite an intimate space your home and then people are coming in and then if they need to go to the bathroom well how do you feel when people do poos in your house I don't think people do many poos in our house

21:28Jessie Ware: do you need a poo no I don't is this what you're asking I don't need a poo but you know when you I don't know if you, when you go to do a wee, and then you sometimes in your head you think, Do I need a poo? Do I need a poo?

21:39Lennie Ware: Okay, let's talk about food, shall we? This smells delicious. Okay, so mum is making a challah bread, eggy bread pudding with chives and feta. I hope you're not, you do have soy, so now I'm slightly nervous. No, no, no, I eat anything. Okay, fine. With roasted tomatoes with cold yoghurt and salad. This looks deadly. And then we've got cookies after. but let's start at the beginning both of you can you paint a picture of who was around the dinner table and a memorable dish from your childhood can't wait you go first no you go first no you go first because you're all going to think of some like you're all going to think of some glamorous like oh you've had like Sophie thinks my palate is shocking because just kidding I went to boarding school at the age of eight right I know sent off sent off at eight years old see ya get out and they were like they were like get out of here Did you have any siblings with you in the school?

22:33I had my older brother, but I went at eight years old. Can I give you a bit?

22:37Lennie Ware: This looks so lovely. I can't wait. I'm starving. Good. Yeah, that's perfect. Thank you. And if you'd like some tomatoes. I would love some tomatoes. So as I was saying, so I went to boarding school. So at boarding school, you just get given food, right? And so it's like fuel. So Sophie thinks my palate's really bad. And then I realised that my palate was bad. Was once Sophie was going through like a pescatarian stage. and we were away on holiday and we got some sushi. Right. And I ate, what did I eat? I ate some of this. So Jamie ate, the sushi looked a bit funky. Okay. And Jamie ate it and he was like, I was like, what is that on that sushi?

23:14Are you sure it's not meat? And he was like, no, no, no, it's tuna and melon. I was like, tuna and melon sushi? Bizarre. I took a piece and it was foie gras and apple. I was like, pass Karen hit that. That's where his, he also puts tomato ketchup with smoked salmon. as a snack on a cracker no I do not butter cracker smoked salmon ketchup have you tried it? I would not try that

23:39Lennie Ware: you know I will say I have sardines with ketchup that's different and that's yummy that's delicious there you go but I wouldn't I don't know about the smoked salmon not raw fish and ketchup anyway so so if you go first because you're going to paint a delightful picture of so I'm going to talk about my yeah who was around the dinner table what were you eating? who's around the dinner table and what were we eating? We were eating... Okay, so my popper is Arabic and he used to make this incredible... Really good. Okay, I just need to try a little bit of this before. Your popper is your grandfather, right?

24:14Yeah. Oh, my goodness. That is so delicious. Yummy, Mum. Yeah. That's very you. This is very, very me. So, popper... Okay, so we would have... He would make this sort of rice dish with, like, minced lamb on top and it had almonds in it and raisins in it.

24:32Lennie Ware: What's your heritage? He's Iraqi, so I'm quarter. And it was obviously a dish from that. I cannot remember what the name of the dish is. It was like rice with raisins in it and flaked almonds. And then it had almost like crispy lamb mince on top. Yum. It was really delicious. My family was him, my grandfather, my dad, my mum, my sister and me. it was delicious is that that's who was around the table sorry should I come up with something to be more exciting did your mum cook or your dad cook my mum's a really good cook my dad was a little bit more of a tuna pasta bake guy which I didn't love he used to put a lot of antropies in it and as a young kid I was like whoa it's about salty and where did you grow up I grew up in Warwickshire in the Midlands but Sophie was it so when Sophie and I first started dating and I was quite used to sort of like English dishes, right?

25:30Sophie grew up and like, when she went to school in the morning, her mum would make like pita and like put like melted butter in it. And like, I wouldn't... Melted butter? You know what I mean? But it was more, you were like eating falafels. It wasn't an almond cheese sandwich. No. You were like eating falafels and you were having like smoothies. Yeah. Yeah, we definitely always got given like what my parents would eat. We never ever had kids food. So I definitely have lots of Arabic food.

25:56Lennie Ware: Jamie, you were at boarding school. So, you know, when you came home, was there like a dish that you loved? I know you love shepherd's pie. Oh, my God. I don't get that. How do you not get that? It's so bland. It's not. I need so much Bramston pickle with that. You guys don't have a good palate. Delicious. Honestly, you guys don't know what good food is. Jamie. You don't understand good. Hit me then. Your idea of good food is. Yeah? Kajarin. Delicious. No. Not the greatest. A shepherd's pie or a cottage pie. Yes, you love shepherd's pie. Oh, and also just like mince on its own with a bit of mashed potato.

26:31Jessie Ware: Clearly Nanny made that. Yeah, Nanny did. Nanny was making that. It was delicious. So we were in the countryside and we lived in a place called Castle Eton, which was near Sirencester.

26:44Lennie Ware: Is that like Cotswolds area? Cotswolds area. And we had this really lovely country house. And in the house was my two older sisters who were my half-sisters, my dad's first marriage. Tash and Jems. So we had that. And Tash is probably 10 years older than me. And so she was quite cool. Tash was like my idol when I was younger. And then we'd have from my, then my dad remarried my mum and had my brother Alexander, who's two years older than me, and then had me and then my little sister.

27:10Jessie Ware: God, you've got lots of. Lots. A big blended family. And then my dad remarried again. This is later in life. And then had another boy. So there's lots of us. How many times have you been married? Three. Lucky number three. how many times have your mum been married twice so my mum and if you get my my mum has been divorced now for what is it 30 years 29 years still talks she'll still you'll have a conversation you'll be like oh mum the weather's good outside she'll be like yes I remember a time in the summer when I was married to your dad I'm like are you kidding me it goes like that but anyway so we're in the house in South Farm and we would always have dinner together which was quite nice on the weekends and dinner would either be something like, it would either be a keggery.

27:57And what's wrong with it? Kedgery's delicious.

27:59Jessie Ware: It is. It's so good. It's a bit samey, isn't it? Or we'd have a shepherd's pie. Or we'd have a bolognese. Is shepherd's pie the one with lamb or beef? Lamb. I wouldn't better tell the difference. No, one's shepherd's and one's cottage. Cottage is beef. Shepherd's is lamb. And we would do that and it would be delicious. Or we would then, or if it wasn't that when I was younger, ours was quite... What else did you eat? Like, really tell me. OK, sometimes potato waffles. Oh, my God. What, and spaghetti hoops? And some baked beans.

28:36Lennie Ware: This is really good recipe. This is really good. Can I get you some more? No, thanks. Is it all to the onion?

28:42Jessie Ware: Yeah.

28:43Lennie Ware: Yeah, I like it.

28:44Jessie Ware: But he likes colour. That's the sweet Jewish bread.

28:56Lennie Ware: can we talk about you two um getting together obviously you kind of got together on a tv show how was that for you both go on because did we get together on the tv did you i mean it kind of played out yes we did well how was it so we were really good friends actually i'll go back so when we first met we weren't good friends and i actually thought he was a bit of an idiot I didn't love you and then we went you didn't know me so how would you love me well I didn't like you then if I'm being completely honest you didn't I thought you were a bit arrogant do you think do you think I was sexy have you never discussed this no never no he asks on a daily basis do you think I can't leave no so then we went abroad on like an away trip and we became really really good friends was this part of the show part of the show do you think they knew what they were doing there not on this trip no okay I don't think they did on second.

29:50I don't think anyone thought something was going to happen. But this trip we went to Crater for filming this show. Have you ever watched Made in Chelsea?

29:57Lennie Ware: I used to watch it a lot. I have to say I didn't watch it when Sophie was in it. Not because I was just... I started it right at the beginning. I'm so sorry. I was like the Millie, the Keggy. That era. I was like obsessed with Made in Chelsea. Yeah. Why? Because it was so great. Because it was like... Okay, sorry. Sorry, it's a BAFTA winning series. But also, I mean, you know, there's been a lot of criticism with it too, but it was, you know. It was, okay, so it was a TV show about being posh. You did great out of it, by the way. I did okay out of it. I think so, but it was a TV show about being posh.

30:32And the reason why I did it is because I just thought it would be quite fun to do. How old were you? I was 22. Yeah, right. You just didn't really know what we'd get out of it.

30:40Jessie Ware: Had you already become an entrepreneur by then? I wanted to set up a suite company. Okay. But I wanted to set up a suite shop. So that's what I wanted to do. And then I thought it would be an interesting way to like promote the sweets on it. But then I, and so my first ever scene that I pretty much did is I got a tattoo of my logo, Candy Kittens, on my hip. But then over the years it's totally changed. So now I just have a tattoo of a cat on my hip, which has nothing to do. The logo's changed. The logo's totally changed. So we did that. But then you and I met on the show and we were really good friends.

31:10And then we went away to Croatia filming together. And I don't know what happened, but I started like being like really awkward around her. Like we would be...

31:17Lennie Ware: She fancies you because she's gorgeous. Yeah, and I was like, oh my God, this girl. And I started being awkward and you weren't awkward, but I thought it was you making... I was like, God, he's quite mew. I was like, this guy's... Because there were a couple of days where everyone would go off and film and we didn't, we weren't filming. So we were just left at this villa together. I was like, God, he doesn't speak. He's like silent. And I was actually like, do you like the colour purple?

31:38Jessie Ware: So you didn't go through the stage with your friend like, is he hot or is it me? Because you started to fancy him. No because I would never have said that because we were always such good friends it would have been quite jarring Were you going out

31:50Lennie Ware: with somebody at that time and were you going out with somebody Were you going out with Sam Yes And you were going out with someone else Someone else I was going out with someone else and then we both sort of broke up at the same time and then went on another trip together and we went on this other trip together and we were such good friends and that was delicious That was so delicious

32:08Jessie Ware: That was really yummy We were such good friends and then we went to South Africa together and we were filming in South Africa and Sophie walked out in a bikini and I was like, oh my God, she's hot.

32:25Lennie Ware: Has she been wearing a burka before that? Like, what the fuck? I hadn't really noticed it. I didn't really clock that she was like this just super hot. Like smoking babe, yeah. Smoking hot. I was like, my God, she's like super hot. And I don't know if you ever, Do you ever have this, like, maybe with your husband or someone you've dated or whatever it is, you suddenly, it's like a light switch. You go, oh, my God, I fancy them. Like, it's a weird, like, sudden moment. You go, like, oh, wait, hang on a second. I kind of fancy them, obviously. This is, because you didn't really understand the emotions.

32:57I suddenly clicked into fancying her. And then when I realised that. Clicked into fancying her. I'm not sure. I then went turbo. I was, like. Obsessed.

33:06Lennie Ware: Because Jamie Lang gets what he wants. Oh, I get what I want. but I there were like things you hurt yourself to whatever you fancy and so because I was obviously also a bit awkward around it because I fancied him I would get really drunk and there was like this one night I would share a bed with you every night he would creep into my bed so drunk but when I mean so drunk I mean so drunk there was one time he like sat on me and then farted because he was so drunk yeah yeah it was bad sounding more and more like this is so attractive I was like wow I really fancy him too then there was another time you fancied him then this was no we i loved him like we were really good friends you're you're missing the step that we were already really really close at this point and everyone kept saying to me like something's going on between you two and i was very much like no no no it isn't because in my head there's nothing's gonna happen between me and him like you didn't have the best past and i thought oh my god and then if that happens we won't be friends so i was very much not in that zone but he used to climb into my bed every night and you know when boys like they try and like creep up on you and you're like play dead play dead oh my god so for this sound very worrying no that is not no i didn't i can't do this out keep it all in because it's not not with everything will you give your wife some water what i mean is that he would just like i was not creeping up on you okay right no what i would do is i would i would spoon you at night and i was like no i wouldn't i we were friends so i wasn't trying there was no funny business there was no funny business i promise you this but one night the body doesn't lie did you have a boner whilst you spoke spooned her no i did not have a boner did i i was like just lie still but there was this one night what happened where this was one night where he was spooning me and i was like pretend you're asleep and then i heard him like thrush the duvet off him i was like what's he doing and he walked over to the vase he took the flowers out and drank the whole Vast water

35:02Jessie Ware: And you're still there And you're married to this man I know, I ask myself to question all the time And then what happened was Is that we then, basically We started I think you then started to fancy me a little bit After drinking I was like, that Vast water That is the hardest thing ever I've got to make him mine And then we got on a flight back to the UK And on the flight on the way back Is where we got really drunk I was drinking Jack Daniels. I've never drank Jack. I think I had like a whole bottle of red wine to myself. And we just snogged on the flight. Oh wow. Yeah. That poor lady next to us, I think about it often.

35:40Were you not in business? No, no we weren't. We were on the middle row where there's like five seats. Stop us, can't we?

35:47Jessie Ware: Well you are each on an aisle as well. No, we were right in the middle. We were right in the middle. You know there's two people like either side, we were right on the middle. Oh my god, I can't. And then we came back and then we were quite inseparable. So you never played it cool at all with her? No, no, he was straight in. I'm going to tell you this story, though, because I told this before, but I'll tell you. So my grandmother said to me, she was amazing, she was very much like my mom, she called Ruth Hill. She was quite a fierce lady, but kind of very interesting. Anyway, when she met my grandfather, she used to date his housemate.

36:16And every single time she'd come into the flat and see my grandfather sitting behind a newspaper, and he would do the crossword, and she loved his hands. She loved. Anyway, one night, my grandfather's flatmate said, can you take Ruth home? And he said, yes, of course. So we took her home, got in the car, and they drove home, and they had an amazing conversation. And when they got to my grandmother's house, he got out of the car, opened her door, and said, Ruth, you're home now. And she said, I don't want to get out. And he said, you've got to get out. You're home now. He said, I don't want to get out.

36:40I'm having too good a conversation. And he said, if you get out, I'll marry you. And he put out his hand, they touched hands, and she felt an electric shock. And she said, you'll regret that in the morning. the next morning he phoned you up and said I don't regret it and they got married for something like 60 odd years my grandma said if you ever have an electric shock remember it so when Sophie and I first ever were intimate when we had sex I felt an electric shock so I was like my whole body to the point where I said to Sophie did you feel that? imagine I was like what? and so I was like this is it that's it he said to me the first time he was like did you just have an electric shock?

37:22I was like, no, should I have?

37:25Lennie Ware: Hold on, but like, had you never had an electric shock? Never. It was honestly like, it was like an electric shock. It was like this. But like, you've had electric shock. I've died. It's called love, isn't it? It's called love. But it was, I'd never felt like that before. And it was kind of like this, oh my God moment. And then I remember my mum phoning me up and saying, so who, what's going on with your love? Like, who are you dating? And I said, well, I've met this person called Sophie. And she went, oh, here we go again. I went, no, it's different. this time it's different and then we got married so it was different it was kind of like an amazing thing

37:55Jessie Ware: have you got the engagement ring is there a story to the engagement ring no it's not a family heirloom no it's not not from Ruth Hill it's not from Ruth Hill the engagement ring's from me forwarding lots of photos and him and Sammy and then she found the ring like this is the most oh yeah I did well no a year before he proposed to me yeah I was going to get a charger out of this cupboard and in this thing it said for her sister. I'm like, whose sister? What's this? It's an envelope. In this envelope are about ten fake plastic rings with like diamonds on them. So there I am trying them all on. This is December.

38:33A year later he proposes to me. For a whole year I was like it's going to be today. Did you keep it shtum? Like you didn't say that you knew. I didn't tell him. But I told my sister because I also didn't like it. You told them. They weren't the right ring. You never told me that. You know what you want? You didn't like any of the rings. You told your sister and your sister, that's what?

38:53Jessie Ware: So that's how you manipulate people. That's how. Yeah, so she tells her sister and the sister says, I don't think that's any of those. Exactly. Are you James? Is that what happened? Exactly. Is that what happened? But you made me wait a whole year. So every time we went on holiday or every time we went for a nice dinner. You thought it was coming. And so then I would get really cross and really upset. And if I had a drink, I'd stop waiting for five. And were you having your nails done? Week. Or twice a week. I was in that zone for a year or so. Jessie did that.

39:17Lennie Ware: I had that too

39:19Jessie Ware: Well you've been going out about 20 years

39:21Lennie Ware: Oh my god I was like get on with it And then We were on holiday in Thailand And it was Christmas I think it was Christmas day or something And he gave me this tiny box And I was like It's the Smallest speaker Travel speaker Because he thought we should have some tunes I was like no Are you fucking shooting me For fuck's sake, man. It was a box. Did he get a one ear? Tiny channel speaker. It's what?

39:56Jessie Ware: Jessie, you poor Sam.

39:58Lennie Ware: When he did, I mean... My mum did say you need to let him feel like he's in control. You need to stop telling him to provoke. Oh, you were at that stage. Yeah, because it's not fair. I've been there so far.

40:08Jessie Ware: But she... So she had her nails done constantly. They always look perfect for the ring moment. But Sam, we... He's... Kind of a very relaxed person. And I remember... Yeah, horizontal. We were all travelling to Greece. And he was so anxious about his rucksack. And it's because he had the ring in it. Do you remember? Do you remember? I remember him being anxious. I don't... I didn't... He never said, look, I'm going to propose. Yeah. But he took a... Did he not ask you for my hand in marriage?

40:37Lennie Ware: No.

40:37Jessie Ware: But he took you to that beach and there were too many wasps. So he couldn't propose there. Were you all there on holiday? No, I mean, no, don't worry.

40:45Lennie Ware: we ended up spending our engagement night with mum in the fucking healthcare centre because she's

40:50Jessie Ware: I got so excited I was trying to bring someone and I tripped and caught my leg and then my back

40:59Lennie Ware: went into spasm so we ended up leaving our dinner to go and take her to the healthcare give me a muscle relaxant in my body but look at the ring anyway I mean anyway it's just isn't about us. It's actually, I've had that when it goes into a spasm. It goes into a spasm.

41:17Jessie Ware: I couldn't even move.

41:18Lennie Ware: Last supper. Yeah. You're going to a desert island for a very, very long time. Are they going together? Are we allowed a cookie? Are we allowed? Oh, so bad. I can't wait. It's delicious. You can either do a combined, you could do a combined last supper or you can each have your own. Start a main page drink choice. Right, are we going to do combined? We don't combine but please, let's really start the universe. I know, but I really don't want shepherd's pie or any of these English boring boarding school dinners. Okay, just hear me out. Okay, go. So we're going to have a little moose-boose before.

41:49Moose-boose. A moose-boose. What's that? Moose-boose.

41:52Lennie Ware: A moose-boose. Moose-boose. So I think we'd have, I would have like starter, like maybe like a little taco. I don't think that's an amuse-boose. That's like a full bowl. You can do what you like. Okay, I'm having a small asparagus soup. No, no. Yes, I am. I'm vetoing that. Why? What we're going to have is a plate of delicious pate negra ham on. How boring is that? Why don't we have both, guys? Oh, we'll have both. That's so mad that you said that, because Kurt Russell also talked about an asparagus soup last week. I knew Kurt Russell. You had Kurt Russell? Yeah, it was great. And his son, yeah, they were great.

42:27That's unbelievable. Sexy?

42:30Lennie Ware: So sexy. So sexy. Really? Okay, so last up. So we're going to have asparagus soup. I'm just going to tell you, I went on a boat trip once, and we arrived in France, and I went to the trustee, I must be about eight years old, and I had this asparagus soup and it was so good I ordered it twice. So I'd have that asparagus soup. Okay. I would have a plate of pate negra and also a samoreco, you know, like the thick gazpacho with bread in. And they have like ham and egg in it. It's delicious. Oh, I've never had that. Oh my God, it's so good. Where have you had it? Rindiza? Oh no, Spain. No, I have it in a place called Trocadero in Spain.

43:03Okay. And it's just delicious. Because your mum, oh, your dad lives in Spain. And I sort of grew up going there for the summer. Okay, so starter. Okay, starter. Cheese fondue. No. Yes. I had just, we just had a cheese fondue. And sorry, why are they, they're so alcoholic.

43:19Lennie Ware: Yeah, why are they so boozy? They're boozy cheese. Yeah. Where did you have a cheese fondue? We were just skiing and we had it out skiing. Where? You went skiing? Yeah. With a, I just, we just got back. Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot. Not a wise holiday to go on with a three month old. Did you ski? I did one day. Do you like skiing? I like skiing, but the mum guilt was a lot. It wasn't the wisest of trips to go on, I will say. Yeah, it was. It's not relaxing. No. Sorry, you probably need a fork. No, I don't need a fork too. Okay, so you had cheese fondue. I think I'd go for cheese fondue. I wouldn't because I think it tastes like alcoholic cheese.

43:53Oh, so let's make it in the middle. That's the whole point, Sophie.

43:55Jessie Ware: Why has it got so much alcohol in? Because it's got kersh. Kersh. Yeah. And it's sermantel and gruyere and it's delicious. It's delicious.

44:05Lennie Ware: No, but I'd like a couple and then I think I'm done. Yeah. Okay, fine. So what are we going for as a starter? Okay, then I would go for a fish taco. And I would go to that place we went to until years and years and years ago. Oh, yeah. We had a crab taco. Chitano's? It's quite well known. Aca, Aca, Aca. Heart, Heart. Heartwood or something? Yes, yes, yes. That's exactly, it's Heartwood. So we're going to have the tacos. We're going to have the tacos. We'll share them. Alright, what are we having for our main? For our main, what are we going to have? What do we really like? We'd have a, um... Not a cajouree.

44:39Not a cajouree. We're not going to go to cajouree. I would go Bolognese. No, I'm really sorry. Okay, fine. Let's change it up. What would I? Say something. Contracot. I was having Middle Eastern food. Oh. We would have something Middle Eastern. We might. Or I would have a really good burger and really... Yes, good chum. Really, like, French fries. I would like a bit of truffle and parmesan on it. Get out of here. So you can have normal. Too overpowering. And then dessert. We're going to get a banoffee pudding because we both love that. I love a banoffee pudding. Something we agree on.

45:10Lennie Ware: Or a lemon meringue pie. Or a key lime pie. Or a school rhubarb crumble.

45:15Jessie Ware: I thought you hated your food at school. Not the rhubarb crumble. I love that. With custard or cream. Maybe with custard, but I don't need to have that. Custard can just be there hanging on the side.

45:25Lennie Ware: No. What's your drink of choice? Elderflower. Sparkling water. Oh, my God. Oh, I've got some here if you want. Oh, my goodness. That is the best drink in the whole white bar. Do you think? I think you get given that when you go to heaven God says here you go Here's your elderflower But can I tell you How's your going If you watch how Jamie makes an elderflower it is frightening It is This is the glass This much is elderflower and that much is Oh no wonder you like it No wonder It's so good I honestly do It's the most

45:51Jessie Ware: I think your baby's going to be addicted to sugar Yeah No shit Yeah the baby's going to be addicted to sugar He's got daddy's sweets Yeah Elderflower Can we

46:00Lennie Ware: So let's talk about Raising Chelsea a bit more Okay Why did you decide to do this when I want to know, because you've come out of Made in Chelsea. I presume you had quite a positive experience with Made in Chelsea, but probably complicated. You've then gone on to be an entrepreneur. You have a think tank. You have a sweet brand. You have your podcast empire together. Why go back to telly? I'm interested by this. You've got your Max Factor. You're smacking it. No, I get it. I'm interested. No, I get it. Because why did you want that? Well, what's your answer? And I'll give my answer. My answer, truthfully.

46:42Have you not discussed this before? I think we have the same answer. I don't think we do because my answer, truthfully, is that I didn't really think much. It really happened very quickly. It was like a long, long conversation for a long time. But truthfully, Jamie's a massive optimist and he, you know, one talk with Disney, he's like, oh my God, we're going to do this. I'm just like, no, we're not. Like, you know, you're a very, you're an optimist. I'm a little bit more realistic. So I didn't really think it was going to happen. And then when it happened, it was sort of like, they've offered to do this.

47:12Do you think it's going to be a good idea? If you do, we've got to shoot next week.

47:16Jessie Ware: And I was just like, okay. I'm going to ask, probably, Jessie doesn't show her children in any photos. Did you think about that? Well, I... About the implications for him? Good question. What I never wanted to show, and we haven't shown Ziggy, on social media so the idea was always we'll do this series and it will be about my pregnancy and we actually weren't planning on shooting past birth like we weren't even going to shoot the birth um and i didn't actually want ziggy and they were okay with ziggy not being in it and we're sort of at a stage now where it's a bit complicated with that well yeah but i think we would we're going to show a little bit but not really and also like we don't we're in a complicated place with like social media and kids and things like that because we I don't know where social media is going to go you don't know once if they suddenly turn 10 years old and everyone hates social media go why do you put me on that and so when it's center space there but the reason we did it was this is ever since I was a kid I had a video camera wherever I went like I filmed everything so I have archives and archives and archives of me just doing and I to the age of like so you enjoyed doing that I he loves it I can't I don't know what it does behind the camera and front of I just document it.

48:33I was like the original vlogging before vlogging was, I had 16 to 20 of me filming. So that was, I always liked doing that. And then doing our podcast and doing reality TV. I love the idea of like sharing true stories and real stories. That's what I really like. And I think, I also think with this Disney show, it's a, we're producers on it. So we were in control. So in some ways we're in control, but also showing it's very real. Everything that you see is incredibly real, which was the point of doing it and I I love showing true stories and I really I believe like love is such a the best thing love and humor I think is amazing and I think what Soph and I do is we portray our relationship in such a real way which it is very real but this whole journey of pregnancy and the emotions and the ups and downs and the lefts and rights we thought that would being a really interesting thing to document and we did our wedding via a podcast which was kind of fun and exciting and so this was a sort of level up of doing it and it was tough at times because you found it really hard during the cameras in your face while you're pregnant it's just a lot it was a lot and I just thought it would um be a lot of fun I get to hang out with my best mate

49:48Lennie Ware: and my wife and film content and film a show how many episodes is the first season three episodes oh so it's just three it was so I've seen the whole season you've seen the whole season okay what did you think well I thought that you are and I like you know I'm fan of you two and I think you're fantastic and I felt like it was really truthful and I thought that it was really I mean you're you're a fly on the wall and it feels very honest very honest and it's very you too and I appreciated how much you allowed in Sophie of you moaning at him because I feel like that was very selfless um because yeah and i and i rate you for that because it's like i think that like it's fucking hard being pregnant and he's like a labrador that bounces off the walls and you're like i can't do a movie in the garden babe i can't do the big gesture i just want my family over and i think you both i think you both came over come across brilliantly and your relationship shines in it i think job well done before we let you go can you both give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere.

50:54Great one. Mine would probably be, do you remember sherbet? Dips. Dips, yeah. So the sherbet, but with the licorice in it. Yeah.

51:03Jessie Ware: And you kind of suck it up. Yeah. That brings me back to being in Scotland when I was a kid and like with all my cousins and I would take away the licorice, but you put my finger in it and lick it with my finger. And that just goes back to this time which was like so innocent and naive and just lovely and it was all about adventures and it was just, you know, you would maybe get to watch Power Rangers on TV and that was it and it was just, ah, that was amazing. That was such a me. Power Rangers. Yeah, something, you know. Sophie? I, licorice all sorts, my great, my mum's grandma's. Which one? I used to like the pink ones.

51:40With the licorice in the, yeah.

51:42Jessie Ware: Oh yeah. And I would go to her house, oh and then the little balls with the little, the little dots. with the dots, yeah. And I'd go to my great granny's house and I would get all of those ones out of all of her licorice all sorts packets and I just loved her and it was so sweet.

51:55Lennie Ware: What was her name? Ida. Ida. Yeah. Lastly, how's your fitness at the moment, Jamie? Are you running still? I don't know how to keep fit when you have a child. It's like, it's so hard. I tried to run like a little bit, but I don't run that much. I used to go to the gym a lot. Not a lot, but I used to just do it. But now just no time.

52:16Jessie Ware: Can I say, when you did your marathons, you made me cry. We all cry. We were all crying. Thank you. It made me donate even more money. Did you donate? Yeah, a lot. Thank you so much. But it made me cry because it was such an achievement. Oh, it was a magical... I mean, it was the most... Do you know, there was so many amazing moments in this run, right? It was incredible. And still now, weirdly, it was such an emotional experience. Even if I talk too much about it, I almost get choked up. Was that Children in Need? It was Comic Relief. Comic Relief. Yeah, because it's coming up this soon. But it really made me like appreciate life.

52:49I can't tell you, like change my perspective in life so much, which was kind of amazing, especially before we had a kid. But there was this one moment where it was like the third day and I was like so beaten up. And when you do something like that, you kind of need to have a North Star, the reason you're doing it. And my reason was I wanted like one foot in front of the other, a metaphor for life. You've got to keep going when you're struggling with anxiety or whatever it is in life. And on the third day I woke up and I was just like, I can't even bother to do this. I'd lost all energy. I was just like, why am I even doing this?

53:15Lennie Ware: You've done like two ultra marathons already. I was just like, I'm out. And I got on the radio and this sweet young girl had left me a voice note. And she was like 10 years old. And she said, Jamie, I can, I'm going to go now. Jesus. But he said, Jamie, I've donated this, my pocket money to you. And I was like, oh my God, that's so amazing. She said, if you can get through these marathons, I can get through my chemo. Oh, God. You make me cry. And it was like this. And I was like, oh my God. and she was like, you can do it. And I was like, God, people out there are so brave, like so insane and so wonderful.

53:50And it made me like, that moment, like completely changed my perspective on life. Just like, I think there was so many times in life that I was like worrying about, I had a lot of anxiety before, and since then I don't really feel anxiety, things like that, because I think I was so focused on my own issues a lot of the time. Oh God, when's this and that, and then you suddenly made me realise that there's so many other people out there who are having a way harder time and it changed everything. So it was kind of an amazing experience for that, as well as physically challenging.

54:20Jessie Ware: Are you a patron for any other charities? For Calm, I am, and for King's Trust as well, yeah. But I just like helping younger kids. Have you met the king? We did meet the king, yeah. When did you meet him? We met him last year, and he laughed at me. Oh, yeah. Why? What did you do? I don't know what I did. I think, you know you're told to stand up, and you wait for him to put his arm out? Yeah. But I just kept putting my arm up. It was like, I couldn't, I had no control of my arm. And he was talking to Kate Garroway for quite a long time. And I thought, my time's up. He's going to have to go on to the next person.

54:56So I just really awkwardly shoved my hand out. And I don't know why. You kept doing it. It was like, yes. Yeah. But he shook my hand and he laughed. And he said that Ziggy was going to be born on his birthday. Yeah. And was he? No. Yeah, it wasn't. But he laughed. He went, hurr, hurr, hurr, hurr. And then he does this thing where he then walks off. but he makes you feel special because he walks off and then he'll go back to you oh that was a good story and go oh I'm the favourite like this is nice but then he does that to everyone I noticed he's got the gage and really soft hands like his hands are really

55:28Jessie Ware: he doesn't do very much hard work he's not plowing the field he has so soft hands lovely

55:36Lennie Ware: congratulations guys thanks guys thanks for being on thank you so much and good luck so Raising Chelsea will be out tomorrow yeah Disney Plus watch it it's so like you can just keep on watching it and it's basically just you guys which being completely yourselves and it's really you were very very kind of trusting and brave to do it and I think everyone's going to like that guys thank you so much you're amazing

55:59Jessie Ware: and thank you for the pleasure pleasure such a pleasure

56:16Lennie Ware: Jamie and Sophie, I haven't laughed that much in a while on the podcast. Such fun. Great fun. Power couple. Just lovely. So in love. So happy. Obsessed with their new baby.

56:29Jessie Ware: Yeah. And yeah, it was a real pleasure to have them on.

56:33Lennie Ware: Really lovely. I loved the food. Did you? Mum, it was really tasty.

56:39Jessie Ware: I wasn't sure about it. It was so tasty. I didn't know that it did taste. I'd like more sauce on the second time I think I under seasoned it I think it could have had more salt in I thought it was really really tasty I really enjoyed it thank you and those cookies are really yummy

56:55Lennie Ware: Sophie and Jamie's new TV show Raising Chelsea is out tomorrow on the 2nd of April and you can follow them through getting pregnant to being pregnant to giving birth it's all there and it's on Disney Plus and thanks mum that was really really tasty we'll see you next week for more Table Wings