Jessie Buckley

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1:05Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware. I'm here with Mum in Clapham. Hi Mum. Yeah. Hi darling. We just came back from Glen Eagles in Scotland. Scotland. And there was a lovely gentleman who was in front of house which we said we would give a shout out to, Angus. Hi Angus. Angus was very, very happy about some of the choices on the podcast recently and the big one that he wanted was Amanda Holden so we'll see what we can do for you Angus. but we had a gorgeous time in England I now want to get a ferret as my pet they're fabulous what does Sam say about ferrets? I mean it's not going to happen but they were really fun can you keep them in hutches and things?

1:47yeah what about the foxes? do they like a tasty little ferret? maybe but I didn't realise that ferrets are there to scare away the rabbits so they can go and they've got like bendy spines I mean I'm really sounding not very I'm sounding like a food podcast I think it's the foxes you need to worry about, not rabbits in Peckham. Yeah. Did you see the chickens that David Beckham got for Christmas? No. Oof, they were the most beautiful chickens I've ever seen in my life. Of course they were. Yeah, of course. Did Victoria design their outfits? Their plumy feathers and fabulous. Anyway, so Glen Eagles was fab.

2:21Just love Scotland. Yeah. What else have we been up to? Not a lot because we've all been bloodied. We've all had flu. Anybody else had flu listening to the pod? Three-week flu, I was told. The shivers, the headache, the sinuses. Oh, brutal. Still sounding a bit sinus-y. Anyway, on to our guest. It's going to be a day of the two Jessies. A day of the two Jessies. She is, I'd like to call, a friend of mine. We made friends for a mutual friend. Who's your mutual friend? Mark Robinson. Okay. And I've always loved watching her on screen, on the stage. and she's coming over to promote, well, she's talking about her new film.

3:04But you haven't said her name yet. Wicked Little Letters. It's Jessie, will you say it then? Oh, Jessie Buckley. Who is, you know, she's kind of... A treasure. A treasure, acting royalty, I'd say. She's unbelievable. Yeah. Whether you were seeing her in, you know, I'd Do Anything, where she came second. I've not seen it in a bad film. Women Talking, Lost Daughter, cabaret on the West End. Wild Rose. She's got a great voice. She's just amazing. She's got like, up for Mercury. She's just amazing. Anyway, she's coming on to chat to us and she's very excited. She's just messaged me to say she cannot wait to eat food and have a natter and it's fecking snowing, she said.

3:48Fecking snowing. I'm here for anyone that says fecking. My feet are fecking cold. Jessie Buckley coming on table manners.

4:05Jessie Buckley has come in like a rock star on a motorbike, made herself a tea, and me. Hi babe, how are you? I'm so happy to be here. Have you been doing promo this morning? No. What have I done? I went to the gym because post Christmas it's brutal isn't it and i had it because i had a fitting this morning at 9 30 i was like why do you do that after christmas so you thought you'd lose a couple of inches before you got to the fitting i did obviously she did i do that all the time i've only got to lose three i've been trying to lose a couple of inches before a fitting my whole life and it's never anyway i'm joking amazing sandy powell she's just you know do you know sandy powell stylist stylist no no she's she's um designing this film that i'm about to do and she's this like she's basically david bowie of costume design she's the coot she's got amazing red hair and speckly glasses and it was great what did she dress you in uh dresses fantastic and boots are you allowed to talk about your next project i don't think i am fine well it's a very good project that will be very exciting.

5:21What would be your favourite genre? Would it be science fiction? What? Really? Have you ever done science fiction? No, I've never, I never watched science fiction. If someone says it's science fiction, but there's very popular, these Marvel things. You get a Marvel thing, you've made for life. I don't know if I'm good for Marvel. No. I just don't think I should be in a cat suit. Do you have to? You don't like when they painted Jennifer Lawrence blue and she looked amazing. Like I would look like a smurf. Like it would just be like one of these little stubby Irish little blue things. No, I don't know.

5:55I don't really think about genre. Like when you sing songs. I guess I think about genre when I'm doing, making the album. Not like it must be this, but I think they always kind of come in. But I guess your projects are so different. I just think if I like reading it. Is it the script? And who's doing it. and if I'm really scared then I usually really want to do it if I think I have absolutely no idea how to do it but there's like a tiny little nugget of like like an itch. How do you navigate that like fear and change it into a productive fabulous experience or is it still terrifying when you're doing it?

6:36It's still terrifying when you're doing it and you're always like

6:42why who thought this was a good idea like oh god like every night when i do cabrio i would just like i'd have to go through a whole thing before you go up stage and you just be like oh my god this is the worst idea emotionally and physically taxing to do that oh my god it was the hardest thing i've ever really done do you think it's the subject or do you think it's the character or do you think it was because you haven't done musical theater for a while what do you think it was do Do you think it was? I think, I mean, like being in a musical or being a musical theater performer or, you know, you have that with dancers.

7:19Like they're athletes. Like anybody who sings and uses their body in any way, they're athletes. And if you're doing eight shows a week for six months with that, you know, and you don't really, you can't really have a life out of that. Like I had to stay completely silent during the day so that voice was. Well, by the sixth month that there was enough to kind of squeak out. But Sally as well is like, she's just like inflammable. You know, you get on a train with her every night and then you get off and you're like, no idea what happened. And the hardest part was that you can't save her. Right. Yeah.

8:00Like there's no redemption. So you go through the whole thing. she's so like full of hope and just wants she wants the life that she believes she's meant to have lived and she keeps trying to like reach her hand up to this light and the world slowly and slowly like pulls away the voices of all the colorful people in that world and that's what happens right at the end is like everybody's voice gets taken away would you do would you do musical theater or theater again or was it too definitely oh right okay oh would you take absolutely they They moved that production to New York. They are. Eddie's doing it.

8:36I mean, are you doing it? I'm not, no. A lot of the shows in town now, like I think when I, in my last month on Cabaret, I'd also done like two films back to back and had like a week off before I started rehearsals. And by the sixth month, it was also a bit of a mad time because I was so physically and mentally like exhausted. And then at the same moment, lost daughter was coming out and i got nominated and so in one part i was like the i was at the bottom of the well in myself and then it was like well done i was like you know and well it's also a good lesson of kind of you're only human you know and like you kind of have to mind yourself you know it's no joke putting your body and your mind through that and you've got to figure out like and you none of us are going to phone it in like there's not for me anyway there's not an ability just to like half step in maybe that's what you're going to have to learn to do to sustain a six-month run but um anyway i don't know why i got you must you must feel related to olivia coleman yeah you're always together is she lovely she's a bitch no she's i can't imagine that actually all right she's great she's she's like she's one of the best humans you know like yeah she's such a great human when you act opposite olivia coleman do you feel inspired or do you feel intimidated or do you feel like you're like completely like rare and you're like okay this is gonna be the most exhilarating moment or is that with like particular acts if you have these moments we were like what is going on i'm actually acting opposite you and this is yeah well god all the time um with olivia it just feels like you know we've become good friends and it just feels so fun right and she is the naughtiest person is she oh my god in the world what pranking everything okay you know like you just a you don't know what she's gonna do she might fart or burp in the middle of a scene.

10:50Okay. She's like a Trojan farter and a burper. Like she's like on Mary and Marguerite.

11:00But also she's just, she's so good. It's so easy. You know. Okay, we're going to talk about food now. We haven't talked about food yet because we're just gassing, yakking. Can I tell you what's on the menu? Yes. We're having pasta today. Get it. Is that okay? Yes. I love pasta. Might be okay and it might not. Well, it's pasta with enough parmesan. So we're having... Oh. Sorry, it's going to be delicious. Sorry, it's going to be amazing. So what are we having? We're having... We're having pasta with prawns and cherry tomatoes. Delicious. And then I've made... Oh, and we're having a little Caesar salad.

11:36A Caesar salad, which Jessie has done with nice croutons with half a pint of olive oil in each crouton. Yeah, crunchy. Crunchy. Crunchy, very crunchy. and then I had some parsnips left over and saw a recipe for parsnip and maple syrup cake. Yum. Who knows what that is? It's with mascarpone. Amazing. And you serve it with mascarpone. It's sandwiched with mascarpone. Yeah. But if it's not, we've got the amalfi lemon and pistachio knife that you brought. And my sperm slosh. I thought I might wear that around my neck, like a statement necklace. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

12:16So let's start from the beginning. Do you want to eat? Shall I get cracking? Yeah, you hungry? Yeah. Great. Start from the beginning. Who was around the dinner table? Where were you eating? And what were you eating? When I was young? Yeah. Oh, God. Well, there's five of us in our family. Okay. And we're all quite spread out. Five of you, three siblings. Two siblings. Four siblings. Oh, five kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. One boy and three girls. and we're all quite spread out. My youngest sister is 16, 17 and then 22, 23, 30 and 34. Everybody should know that. She was the eldest. And we grew up, at first it was me and Cillian, my brother, and we grew up, my dad used to own a guest house and we lived in the shed at the back.

13:07And so when we were babies, my dad's a cook in the family. Okay. we'd be around like breakfast where and he'd put us all into like one half you know those double sinks yeah so one we'd be sat in one half of the sink and he just like load loads of ice into the sink we just throw because he you know had to cook so we'd be throwing ice into the kitchen while he was cooking and then that was like your form of entertainment and throwing up being in a sink a double sink throwing ice yeah that sounds quite stressful for your dad whilst he's cooking I don't think even, my dad, he's quite like, he's an amazing cook.

13:42And he was always like quite like, I guess kind of exotic cook in some way. And sometimes when you're a kid, you just want like a tuna sandwich. I wish I could get my kids eating fucking tuna sandwiches. What do they eat? I mean, don't even, the middle one is a pain in the ass. So what would be exotic that you'd be like, oh dad, not. So we get like an aubergine sandwich or something. which in Kerry was quite like quite a bold thing and at one point I started to steal poor Shona Madden's lunchbox because she did have tuna sandwiches until I got her room. Shona's in therapy now still talking about her missing tuna mayonnaise sandwich.

14:26And things like we there'd be like there's this great food market up in Cork and we come home like for Christmas dinner and there'd be a cow's tongue in the fridge. I don't know if I ate it but it was you know kind of it was kind of like Charlie and Wonka's anything could happen in right you'd be put into an ice sink yeah or you could get a cow's tongue or whatever um and he loves spices and I don't know so it was a bit there was lots of us we're all sitting at the table you could have like he used to own a guest house and we were actually like we would all be involved because we you know we'd make the beds and then if they were American tourists part of our job as kids was to like serve the food and then we'd all put Irish dancing dresses on and have to give them Irish dancing performances that's amazing so you were the evening entertainment we were the evening entertainment it's all now making sense were you good at irish dancing no i was robbers i was the girl who like broke her foot kind of before the dancing championship this was when old michael flatley was really making waves right was river dance like i mean it's always been big but like was that like it was quite sexy at that time right when you were a bit younger it was it's kind of i mean it's a mad world it's like beauty pageants right now and then it was beginning to be beauty pageants because all the to be like a young irish dancer you had to like at the age of six be wearing fake tan and like huge wigs like those big curly wigs that were like heavy and then these dresses and i was so shit at it because i all my hands everything was just like wanted to be out and express and you have to keep everything completely in so and anytime my dad would put curlers in my hair he'd then be like let's go swimming and so all the curlers would come out so I just your dad was doing the curlers as well yeah times yeah yeah he sounds he sounds like a a kind of metrosexual a kind of complete package it sounds great he was like her I guess my mom is the harpist and a singer and she was always out it was kind of her my dad was the stay-at-home dad and my mom was out working and and were they together yeah yeah yeah yeah and she's a she was a harpist yeah so it was a creative it sounds bohemian it sounds very creative and it was wild like it's a it it still is a kind of wild house you know they kind of and where we grew up was very it's like a lake district so lots of mountains and lakes and things kind of just grow because they grow you know nothing's um but it's also like a small town and quite touristy and there's always things coming in and out of there like sometimes in dad's guest house you'd get barbershops coming to kerry to do some kind of tour so what like a quartet like yeah yeah but they were like american and it was like so having like the jersey boys yeah oh my god and i used to just sit and kind of i couldn't believe that we had like it sounded like something from the 1920s or 30s were in the side sitting room practicing and then mum would play harp and sing and I think kind of a mixture of being tonight's entertainment and then seeing my mum sing Is she a beautiful singer?

18:01Yeah, yeah and she still is Sorry, hold on one second Oh god it smells amazing

18:13right thank you let me see because you can't taste anything do we need to put that's delicious how is it oh my god you don't know how much salt was in there at Jessica please can you pass in parmesan darling have you ever had a big food fight Yeah, we have fights. My friend has the best. You know, sometimes it's really nice to hear when couples, how they fight. And you're like, oh God, thank God. My friend said that him and his wife were having a fight and she was making, he was making a doll. Yeah. And he got a spoon of it and he just flung it at her. Oh. And she looked at him and she goes, well, look at me now.

18:59All dolled up and nowhere to go. They sound great. They're great. Dolled up. Very good. It's good. We haven't thrown things at each other, have we? No. This tastes nice. Tastes nice. It's delicious. Subtle. Very nice. Subtle. I like the lemon. Did you get the lemon? The lemon, the hint of lemon. There you go. We never do pasta. Really? No. I think I'll do it again. This is nice. So your childhood just sounds so colourful and fabulous and loud and... Mayhem. Mayhem. Mayhem. But with loads of love and sometimes terror. And you'd watch your mum performing in church, singing in church? Yeah, yeah.

19:42And then was that, so was it the barbershop group or your mum that made you think, Ashley, I kind of want to be on stage? Oh no, it was mum. Was it? Well, also because she wanted to be an opera singer when she was young and she is so brilliant. Like, a classical singer. Would you like some... Yes, some greens. Right, some greens, yeah. But you know, just things happen in your life. But in church, you'd see all these like, because it kind of, she's not uber religious, but it was her way of going. And you'd see all these old men come up and they'd just be like crying their eyes out. Because she sang so lovely.

20:22Because she sang with all of her heart. So it was her, really.

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21:40Which cookbook do you use the most for cooking? Because I go through phases of cookbooks. We use an app at the moment, the New York Times cooking app. So good. But the measurements are really weird. They measured the tomatoes in pints and I don't know what that means really. No, I'm surprised. I... We use... One of my favourite ever dishes is anchovy pasta. It's our like... How do you make it? Freddie makes it. I'm rubbish at making it. Freddie, your husband. My husband. And it's from a New York Times recipe. But it's just capers, chilies, anchovy. A pint of oil. Right. Parsley. And garlic. gorgeous, perfect we're into Anna Jones at the moment Anna Jones is great I've just got her first one for Christmas but her like tray baked one is great so do you cook a lot?

22:38yeah, I'm slender assy at the same person yeah, I love cooking I'm crap at cooking when I'm in London and I love going out to eat when I'm in London but when I'm at home in Norfolk I don't see anybody and I just love cooking so do you spend a lot of time in Norfolk? Would you say that's more home than London? It's like my, it's our heart home, yeah. We probably split 50-50 between there at the moment. But it's new, you know, we've only been there for three years. And do you have a place in London as well? Lucky. We just have a little flat in Dalston and, yeah. But why did you choose Norfolk? Never been there before.

23:22and we were originally going to like want to move to suffolk because we falling in love in suffolk right lovely um and then friends of ours had moved to norfolk and bought this old place for like nothing on an auction like pulled weeds out of it and just did the whole thing up and then they showed us this house that we live in which is like 1500s and falling down and orange and got it's just it's a really amazing old house that's been there forever is that where you got married yeah that's so romantic yeah what was the food like at the wedding well when we first started dating we because we live in dalston we would go to the towpath all the time the best she loves it and i just was like fell in love with laurie so much and Laura.

24:16We love Laura and Laura. And so I guess with food it's like places. I always feel like it's like memories of places of like, oh this is important. We did that at this time and we ate that at this time and that's what made me feel. So they came and did the food for us. Oh my god, that's such a good idea. It was amazing. And they're such great people. And one of my favourite memories of the day was like, I wanted a keg of Guinness and I definitely wanted their cheese toasties at a certain hour. Oh, with the cornstarch, yeah. After they, like, served on a delicious thing. So at one point, Laura and Laurie were out on the dance floor with a pint of Guinness and a cheese toastie, all dancing on the dance floor with us all.

24:59And, yeah, and then they came and did breakfast the next day. Oh, that sounds so perfect. Is he English? He's English, yeah. Did your parents mind? No, but actually, any time, because I moved to London when I was 17 and any time I brought an English boyfriend back to Ireland my granny would call him Seamus whatever his name was Seamus? any whatever my name my English boyfriend at the time's name was how funny it was just Seamus how are you Seamus? do you think that was a compliment or a way of being like you're not going to stick around mate? did Freddie get to be non-seam did Freddie get to be Freddie?

25:36Freddie stayed Freddie yeah okay well then that's why he's the keeper I don't know why she did it maybe she couldn't remember that's brilliant so if we were coming to norfolk yeah and we were coming for dinner what would jesse buckley be cooking for us oh god you don't eat meat i don't eat meat no but i eat fish you eat fish yeah um i would cook either i have to make that um otolenghi dump uh parmesan dumpling thing have you ever made that no no getting noticed have you eaten What are they, like the new deal? No, no, you basically make parmesan, parmesan, but dumplings. Ooh. And you make the sauce like three days beforehand.

26:20Yummy tomato sauce. And then you... Sounds about right, the telenghi, three days beforehand, of course. Love you. Some spice that you can't get. Yeah, of course. Love you. And then you fry off the dumplings and then you put them into the sauce and you bake it in the oven for like an hour. How delicious. Delicious. Okay, so would that be the main or would that be the starter? That would be the main. Okay. Are you a sweets person? Do you like baking? I'm crap at baking. Me too. I can't do it. Me too. I did make a great Christmas dessert though. And I was really, I went for dinner with a friend to Noble Rot in Soho.

26:59Oh yeah, I love it. And they gave us the filthiest dessert, this chocolate mousse with some gingerbread. And I was like, it was the nicest thing I've ever eaten. did they give you the recipe? oh, gotta love Noble Rot for that I don't know if I'm allowed to, but anyway and I made it it was good, I was really pleased I had to get a little temperature, what do you call those from a thermometer? yeah, yeah that was great so we'd be having the Parmesan Nudi we'd have the chocolate drink of choice, it's dry January at the moment what's your drink? My cocktail is a dirty martini with an olive. Yeah. Gin, gin, gin, gin.

27:45I'm vodka. I don't like vodka. But I love a dirty martini gin. Really nice. Can you make them? No. I've never really tried. I have tried. I got quite good at them during COVID. I think lots of people got good at that. And then wine, light-bodied chilled red wine girl. Always. Light-bodied. Your Pinot Noir gal. I don't even know the name. I just know it's a chilled, light-bodied red wine. Like myself. That's what you thought in the gym this morning. Yeah, yeah. Chilled and light-bodied. Exactly. Colds. January, dry January colds. So, last supper. Now, this is your time to tell us you're going off to a desert island or to do a film in the desert.

28:39um you're not going to get the catering or the food that you want um and your comforts what would be your starter your main your pudding and your drink of choice well I think we know the drink of choice potentially I love this question and I ask everybody this question I think it's important to know what you're going to have for your life um whether you want to be carry on being friends with them after they've made the decision yeah yeah right um I would have I feel like it kind of changes, but for starters, it's a bit like a schizophrenic last supper. So I would have oysters and chips and a dirty gin martini from Sheiky's for starters.

29:20That's sexy. So that's my sexy side. Where are the oysters from? I don't like oysters. Ireland. Ireland. Somewhere. They've got to be nice, not dirty. Nice ones. Yeah, maybe. Aren't they from Ireland? I don't know. Yeah, some of them. And then I would have My dad's This is definitely on the list But my dad's homemade Hot out of the oven brown bread Is it a soda bread? It's the best It's the best bread in the world Can you disclose the recipe? He uses this flour that's from Ireland Called McCroom flour And it's like stone rolled Grainy oats I'll send you some I think you can. I've never made bread.

30:08I think Jessie and I are going to go on a cooking course soon. Yeah. And one of my goals is to make bread. I'd like to go to Ballymaloo, which is in Ireland, and it's gorgeous. Should we go? Maybe we should do that. Yeah, do that. So, okay, it's not a soda bread, is it? It is soda bread. That's the easiest to make them. Yeah. Don't just make it. No, because you haven't got to do the yeast business, which is a nightmare. but you use like buttermilk which is like I don't even know what that is it's like gone off when you smell it it smells like gone off milk I don't know what it is is it the top of the milk I think you get the yeast from the buttermilk okay maybe it's not like a yeasty I don't know anyway it's delicious it's my favourite thing in the whole world with lots of butter on the top do you have lashings of butter Kerrygold Kerrygold Do you like salty butter or unsalted?

31:07Salty? Yeah, salty More unhealthy Yeah, okay That's when going to the gym Absolutely And One slice I'd have marmalade Maybe some cheese Do you like cheese and marmalade? No I could get into that I mean it's like the bloody cheese toasty The Topath cheese toasty They do crisps Does anybody want any more? There was eight cloves of garlic in that I did not take Well my dentist is going to really appreciate that in a few hours i can taste it you're hurting yourself with no jesse's looking at me oh she's going yeah well it's subtle do you like do you like cooking not that much this was made with love jesse so okay so you've got bread with cheese and marmalade love this on one slice maybe not all cheese which sort of cheese cheddar manchego manchego that would kind of work because of quince.

31:59Yeah. And then the other sites would be for, we used to have a caravan by the sea when we were kids where we spent all of our holidays. Which bit of sea? Right near the Atlantic. So near the Skellig Islands, which are these like amazing. I don't know of them. It was in Star Wars, these islands. Oh my God. It's not in the tourist at the moment, is it? Where he's in the most beautiful scenery. I don't know what's going on, but the scenery is completely sensational with big cliffs that go down oh no they're the that's the burn like near okay so i don't know this is more like south south okay but there was only like a post office and a pub and a load of caravans and it was the best childhood like place to go we'd all run onto the beach but dad loved fishing and you could get like amazing fresh crab claws and he'd come up from the sea in his like he'd have gone out in his underpants onto like a canoe and like pulled up mackerel and then chopped their heads off or he'd gone to the like local fish mongers and got the most delicious crab meat and he would put it into you know there's a beautiful like um spanish kind of pat they're like ceramic pots that you put into the oven i don't even know what they're called and he'd shove it into the tiny little caravan cooker loads of oil and garlic and chilli.

33:24And so I'd have his brown bread with crab claws. That sounds so delicious. It's so delicious. In the caravan as well when you're all like salty and a bit like, you know, smelling. Are you good at getting the meat out of the crab claws? I'm not very good at it. I can suck. You suck it out. Yeah. And then, can I more? Sorry, I'm a pig. Yeah. I love it. I've thought about this a lot. I love this. and then I'd have my light body chilled red yeah light bodied with Freddy's home cooked anchovy pasta which is the New York Times one which is the New York Times one we're going to look that one up and I saw you're a gal that puts parmesan on a fish pasta parmesan on everything me too I don't yeah why are people so snobby about it I didn't even know that was a thing oh yeah if you go into an Italian restaurant and you say you have like seafood pasta and you say could I have could I have parmesan they go look at you in a very disapproving way did you have a honeymoon we had many moons that's a good word we had such a nice we actually just kind of bottled into friends holidays loads of friends had were going away and they just like rented a place and they were like oh that's a new thing now that's great that's a new thing spending your honeymoon with your friends it was really nice we've actually had such a usually I'm away shooting or something and because of the strike everything got moved so I've had a whole year just to like hang out.

34:56Where did you meet Freddie? On a blind date. You're kidding. So friends set you up. Mark Robinson set us up. He set you up, of course because you'd worked with him on World Rose, right? Yeah. He set you up and what does Freddie do? He's working in mental health. He's gone back to university to work in mental health. Very handsome. Is he gorgeous? He is gorgeous. Okay, so we've got the crab, we've got the pasta, we've got your dad's bread, pudding. Is that important to you? Yeah. I want everything. It's my last meal. Do you want some more, darling? I can make it hotter. No, no, I'm good. Okay, good.

35:33It was delicious, thank you. It was such a pleasure. You must know. I mean, it was lovely. But you couldn't taste garlic. No, but I think my dentist is in this. I think you could taste garlic. Alice, could you taste garlic? I can't actually taste anything. I can taste it now. Yeah, I can taste it now. Yeah, it's a lingerer. Wow, there you go. That's a good thing about garlic. It carries on. Yeah. So, pudding. Puds. I don't know. I mean, this is going to sound... I think I just want, like, a bottomless bag of chocolate buttons. Do you want chocolate buttons? I don't know. They're just nice, aren't they?

36:14Yeah. Do you like the giant ones? Giant ones, not the big ones. Oh, the giant ones. Yeah. I've had like oysters and gin and I've had past, you know, I just want chocolate buttons now and a cup of tea, maybe an old fashioned after the buttons are finished. I really like this last supper. I like it too. I think it's fab. I think it's a really good one. Do you not have an Irish whiskey? A nice, you don't like whiskey. I like a hot toddy when I'm home at Christmas, but like, no. I want comfort and like lot so when you're when you're on when you're on set do you always have a bag of chocolate buttons do you always have a hot whiskey on set I mean is that your kind of comfort food chocolate buttons like chocolate buttons is the kind of when I was filming this Alex Garland film we were filming in over near Cheltenham and I'd have to drive on Friday three hours back and I would always buy a huge bag of chocolate buttons stopped twice for a cup of tea bottomed them out slurp of tea and it was like the treat it was like is that right?

37:22piece de resistance it's like the end of the road you know like the thing that's just going to like get you back to your life that's what I feel so this is quite strange tasting I think is it? is it? I think it's delicious it's like a carrot cake it was more of so what did you do? did you like boil the parsnips? no I grated them So will we make parsnip cake again? So it's like a parsnip parakeet. You just said it was weird. No, I think it's nice. What spices have you put in it? Well, it said allspice, and I only had, like, whole things. So I put cinnamon, ginger, and nutmeg. Mmm, I love a nutmeg.

37:58Me too. I made a lasagna today for the kids. Put loads of nutmeg in the restaurant. We put nutmeg in our coffee sometimes. Ooh! Yeah. That's a great idea. It's a great, great, like, in the morning. Ooh, I like that. Okay let's talk about the film with your friend Olivia Oh yeah Wicked Little Letters Yes And you're very naughty in it I am Was it fun and was it And did you eat well with Olivia It was So fun And I really wanted to do like a fun job We made it around When did I make it or where did I make it When and where When like last Not last year 2022 October 22 Oh a while ago Yeah I don't know Tastes Long time Yeah That was so fun It was so fun She Rose was Is just so naughty And It's just great to like Have a good old curse Was it built based on a true story Yeah So explain to the listeners The premise of the film Okay It's set in 19 I'm going to get all of this wrong because I can never even remember what I've done.

39:10It's set in 1920s in a little town called Littlehampton, which is in Sussex. And these two neighbours, Rose Gooding and Edith Swan, Rose moved into the area and she is a single mother but has a boyfriend. And it's quite a pious, kind of good-goody, you know good British pious community and these letters start appearing around the town which are foul mouthed and full of the most delicious worst curse words and it got what is that coffee? no I think that's my tea, my old tea that is weird I really have lost my sense of taste He just drunk Jessie's cold coffee. I mean, tea. Could I have a chocolate?

40:05That's enough. So. So anyway, it gets pinned on poor old Rose, me, the fallen woman, my niece.

40:17And she goes to prison and it kind of, yeah. They're like poison pen letters and it transpires that it wasn't Rose. The police woman's trying to prove that you didn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. Did you eat it out with Olivia? Is she a good eater? She's got a good table. Yeah, I think so. When you're in London, you like, just go home. Yeah, right. But at lunchtime, I guess that's fun on set is everybody kind of sits out on their little stoops. Outside your little window bay. Yeah, just chat about what you're going to have. It's like being the Irish summers again. Yeah, yeah. From one caravan to the next.

40:57and then one weekend we got to stay in the pig down near i don't even know where we were somewhere in sussex and they did the best yeah it's so lovely they do the best mushrooms these oyster and we had we were staying these little um shepherd's huts out the back and so the two of us would come back and me to order each a glass of wine and chips and mushroom that sounds great um so you obviously go back to this is i like this it's delicious i love mascarpone me too Do you put anything in the mascarpone? A bit of maple syrup Which is in that as well I think it's quite dense But it's quite nice I like it dense Because otherwise they're too dry It is moist But it's not like a light cake, is it?

41:43No, I'm enjoying it What would Paul Hollywood say, do you think? I think he'd say you've got the flavour in there You've got You had Paul Hollywood I loved him He's got big blue eyes Those eyes are incredible. What did you bake him though? Oh, a mess. It was like a disaster. Who do you get the most, who's the most nervous you've been to cook for someone? Nigella. And Jay Rayner. Jay Rayner and Nigella. Oh, Jay's so lovely. I knew Jay when I was 17. He was one of the first people I met. It was Jay Rayner. Why? Because my first ever job was in the chocolate factory doing a little night music and then we moved into the West End.

42:26I saw that. Yeah, I was crap and tiny and so scared. But it was such an amazing job because it was like a proper like family. And we were with each other for 13 months and they all kind of took me under their wing. And I go up to Maureen Lippman's house the weekend and she teach me how to act. And like we'd read plays together and she'd like make soup for me. And then I go up. Maureen Lippman taught you how to act? Yeah. It was so sweet. And made soup. But then at the weekend we got like, it was when the Ivy Club was just kind of starting. And I thought, oh my God, I'm like Barbra Streisand. You know, this is so exciting.

43:04And I remember we'd all go there on a Saturday night and have twinkles. Have you ever had a twinkle? No. No, what's a twinkle? It's like champagne and vodka or something. It's like a thespy thing. I love that. Champagne and elderflower. And they had, in the club, they had this like amazing piano player called Joe Thompson. And we'd all get completely rat-ass. and we'd all end up singing and being on the tables till 2am and jay rayner who's an amazing jazz pianist was one of joe's best friends from when he used to come along and and jay rayner used to always sit up at the stool and he would order popcorn ice cream and i would thought it was just like the most i it was literally being that young and coming to london and all these kind of decadent popcorn ice cream eating twinkly pesps is just so gorgeous that's fabulous lastly before we let you go which is very sad apart from the towpath which we love which other food spots would you go to in norfolk or london um we don't really go out in norfolk because we cook when we're there but london oh god so we love going to brawn on columbia road love it Well, I go to brawl with my girlfriends and we sit at the bar and we get really drunk on red wine.

44:23And then you have been known to go to the Dolphin or something afterwards. But it's like my girlfriend. What's the Dolphin? The Dolphin. Lenny, you'll never leave. We're going there. What is it? This evening, you and me are going to the Dolphin. It's a pub that does lock-ins and yeah. So brawl is the spot after the, and then the Dolphin. Well, with my girlfriends. And then I like Michelle Canteen's yummy. Oh, babe. We've got the same taste. I know. It's so good. That's why we get on. Yeah. Where are we going? Where are we going? You need to bring it to South London. But then for like a little West End.

45:02Yeah. Sheikis. See, I've never been to Sheikis. Okay, we're going to Sheikis. Okay, fine. We'll go to Sheikis. Sheikis. Sheikis is delicious. Is it? It's fish. it's fish and like Andrew Scott who did that we know that Andrew Scott thank you very much but he nailed his last he did that and it was 90 minutes long or whatever he was like darling and he started at 7 he was like darling I'll be in cheekies by half 8 he made sure I was like that is genius that's like what we've got to get into Jessie Buckley thank you very much for coming over I've had such a lovely time She's been the most gorgeous person always Seems to have gone too quickly I know She's talented She's gorgeous She's got good taste in food Funny and warm and lovely I know Thank you And good luck with the new film And I I love you I love you both It's so Also It's just so Lush to have I'm like Mum and daughter thing It's just so beautiful She's so lucky And I want to do like a word count Of how many times you say darling Shit it's like amazing I love it so much and it genuinely makes me smile when I hear you go darling Jessie darling I feel like we need to get Jessie actually doing a Lenny and thanks so much thanks for having me

46:44Well, Mum, I think it was a roaring success. Just got a text from Buckley. Tell me. Adore you and your mum. Thank you. It was utterly delicious in every way. Oh, good. Love her. Darling, how many times did I say darling, darling? I feel like maybe somebody should do a Lenny bingo. Oh, Table Manners bingo. It would have on it Jessica. And it would have... Darling. Darling. And it would have fuck off, I think. Jessie Buckley's just the best She was an absolute delight I just She's so She talked about Passionate Passionate And bright And warm And clever And warm And talks about her stories I know And just her The depth of her knowledge About all her parts And everything I know Just wonderful She's fab Love her Loved the story About going And having twinkles That is fab I know I'd like a twinkle now I think I'd like a tinkle actually and thank you Jessie for your lovely squash a wonky squash a very suggestive squash I think you should take it home and show the children I thought you were going to say show Sam say this is what you're up against mate oh my god sounds like the fucking sequel to salt burn or something actually but it was so twisted I mean it was anatomically challenging I think we'll see you next week for more Table Manners

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