Jonathan and Honey Ross

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2:34Hello and welcome to Tobe Manors. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with Lenny. It's a sunny day. How's your week been, Lenny? It's been hectic. Yeah, we did a little thing at the London Palladium with our friend Phil Rosenthal. Yeah. He had a night there and we kind of, I don't know, we bookended him. We were facilitators. What do you call that? They called us coordinators. Coordinators, that's not very sexy. Yeah. But we had a really nice time and I bought him some of my favourite things in London. I know. A Rita's Martini, a Gilda Martini. I ate the whole chilli. The Rita's Martini is, I've spoken about this before, but Missy, who is the creator of the Martini, she puts an anchovy, stuffed blue cheese, olive, delish, and then a jalapeno.

3:26Yeah. And Mum didn't know this. Have my glasses off. What happened then? So I bit into the jalapeno chilli and thought, this is a chilli, it's not a gherkin. My eyes started to water. I'm sitting on stage I thought there's only one way through this I can't chew it down so I swallowed it whole can't go over it can't go under it we'll have to go through it had to swallow it whole oh my god I love it anyway we did that dinner for 100 brought some pizza the audience enjoyed that and then I chanced it with what I've heard is the best tiramisu in London it's made by Nicola Lamb yeah she won the Andre Simon book award she's sipped she's sipped oh really she's fabulous she's such a lovely person well it's at pasteo which is i think quite a new opening anyway it was a delicious tiramisu phil nearly walked off with it um we had a really nice time didn't we it was really lovely to see him again and just see his lovely audience he had like nine-year-olds asking him about they adore about his the pad thai that he tried in bangkok and um it was just so sweet um on the menu today is another easter belfridge recipe which i've enjoyed my friend samantha making me it's sounds quite divisive it's a prawn lasagna i know i know and i i hear you when she said she was gonna make me a prawns lunch i said i'm not sure about that but actually what's more i think there's nothing wrong with prawns and pasta delicious the only thing is the added hot sauce no okay so it does have a habanero chili but you do take it out and you put a bit of habanero chili oil on top the bechamel is so easy because it's just double cream and then grated parmesan it's actually really straightforward fingers crossed because i've never made it before i hope no one's lacked as intolerant today because i've done a lemon curd roulade and i had a bit of disaster because didn't have any lemon curds i had to make it never made it before so delia of you very delia just whipped it up i hope our guest isn't still doing the keto diet to be honest um because this is carbs and dairy and all of it so um we have jonathan ross and his daughter honey ross who present the podcast real talk which is a movie television review show brilliant podcast they're such enthusiasts about telly and film that it makes you really interested in what they're talking about.

6:00I mean, Jonathan Ross has been in the movie... He presented the film programme. Yeah, Jonathan Ross took over Barry Norman's TV show about reviewing films. I just really love him and Honey together. They speak much more politely than we do together. They're really respectful. She's got a lovely voice. Oh, she's gorgeous. Last time I saw Honey, she was belting out Taylor Swift behind me. in a stadium and knew every single word, and she was sobbing. I can't wait to chat to them. They're coming on to talk about the podcast and, I guess, living, growing up together and all things food. Jonathan and Honey Ross coming up on Table Manners.

6:44Jonathan and Honey Ross, thank you so much for schlepping it over to South East London. Thank you for asking us to schlep. We're so happy to have you. we love the podcast we love hearing you two speak to each other so respectfully we could learn a lot from your relationship you are respectful to each other you are you're very respectful we love each other I'm not sure we're respectful you're very honest with each other though and I like that yeah that was crap Jess but that's honest and that's okay I'd like to hear a podcast where you're just talking about each other and the other one's not in the room no we're very loyal I think don't you think yeah I don't know maybe you're more loyal whenever I say someone said I love the podcast to me and Jess said oh did they recognise your whining voice mum but that's that's what I'm dealing with honey I've learned this phrase from honey that is her that is her love language to you is it love language that is her feeling so comfortable and so close and so kind of at ease with you that she can express a kind of humorous take on it yes without it being necessarily and also it's a great way of disguising the truth that's how I reframe it because my dad's quite savage.

7:52He's quite brutal. And he'd be like, I'll often be like, love you. And he'll be like, yeah, all right. Like over text. And I know that he does love me and I know that that's just a bit. So I'm like, that's how he feels safe expressing his true love for me. But the gushing that goes on is just so tedious in the world. The people being nice to each other all the time is exhausting. Do you still live together? No. I moved out quite young, but I'm 28. Yeah, you moved out when? You were about 22? No, I moved out when I was 19. Yeah, and I stopped noticing when you were about 16. Words are true. I've always been the favourite, will always be the favourite.

8:30Are you the favourite? No. Not publicly. I don't really have a favourite, but I have favourite things. I have three, and I have favourite things about all the different three. Let's go through some of the favourite things about all three. Oh, well, one thing they all show is they're all kind, which is an important thing. That's all you want, right. Yeah, and they're all respectful of other people, which is lovely. so they're kind of that's kind of all I require from them frankly and they're all I think what's good is and they've grown more this way they've all grown better at advocating for themselves and kind of like drawing their own barriers on things but that kind of comes with a somewhere took you'll be the last one to do that but no because you're the youngest yeah last one to get boundaries for sure still working on it I mean but you know that's up to you you go do the work yeah famously get a move on um so uh but i and i like the fact that they're all kind of like they've all got interesting minds they've all got their they would have inquiring minds you know they're engaged with the world in ways which is kind of interesting and not just kind of plodding along you know so i so i have admiration for all of them as well as respect and love that was very nice that was really lovely that's lovely never say that again in public no honestly i'm like i'm gonna save that treasure that memory good thank you glad you got one So last time I saw you honey You were sobbing At a Taylor Swift concert Yes I was Pounding your chest And singing like you were going through The worst breakup Are you okay honey?

10:00Were you going through a breakup? I was going through a breakup I felt that You got it in one I was living every lyric Every lyric And you apologised to me And I was like I wanted Taylor was great But honey Ross okay I'm here for the three and a half hour gig I felt so bad because you were there with your daughter I was there with my daughter and your partner, your husband and me and my best friend are absolutely feral for Taylor Swift and we stood up and we sang for the entire three hour duration of the show it felt like I was performing a concert honestly I came back I was like God, that was really great out there actually so you really like her?

10:36oh my god is she your very favourite? she's my favourite, I would take a bullet for that woman honestly I love her so much but you've got a bunch of favourites Chapel Rowan you love as well Pony thingamajig oh Chapel's great is that Chapel? and I just thought it was really everyone's very offended by what she said about people that have children and I think it's hysterical she said like every person that I know that's got children looks miserable and they have no life in their eyes She does really read the room. I listened to this Australian podcast and they were like, that's exactly what a 28-year-old girl who doesn't have children should think.

11:16Like, that's what she should be looking at, being like, yeah, no, thank you. I mean, they were like, it's hysterical. She's not in that stage of life, is she? Yeah. I mean, not that I am, but like, I think... But some people never want to have kids. I remember, and I think, you know, and that's absolutely fine. Totally. And I suppose there is a certain amount of pressure on women in particular to have kids. So maybe she's pushing back against that. But I remember once I interviewed Jackie Mason, you know, the old famous... and he said to me you have kids and he said you happy I went yeah I think I'm happy he said no you're not I went oh I'm not happy okay I'm not he went no one with kids is happy and it was that and that struck me that was sort of wrong I thought that was wrong and I got the feeling that maybe and he'd never had kids and maybe he was just so bitter either bitter or maybe was so wanting to convince himself he hadn't missed out but that was an odd thing to say I think it's the best thing I ever did that's beautiful yeah having you met your daughter that's a slightly depressing we were trying to remember the name of the film show that you presented after Barry Norman.

12:13Well, that was just called, BBC called it The Film Show, but it was like film whatever year it was. I think it started in about 71 or 72. Barry wasn't the first host. There were a bunch of hosts before him. And then Barry Norman was the longest serving host. And then I took over in 2000 through 2011, I think. So it was film 2000. And was it, the music was? The music was a piano version of the song made famous by Nina Simone. I wish I could I could be one of my proudest moments weirdly was when I took over that show I was so excited because I so loved watching him in it and I so loved cinema and I remember walking I was out for dinner with your mother my wife Jane one night and we'd gone out somewhere and we walked in it was quite a she-she place it was like a hotel in London where they had a pianist and as I walked in he saw me and he started playing the theme and I thought oh my god I've got a theme which wasn't really mine it was like the show's but that was quite an exciting moment that's so cute it's such a great song as well can we go back to well honey well we can do both Jonathan your your your childhood who was around the dinner table with um and what were you eating what's a very memorable dish from your childhood I mean well I come from a uh I wouldn't say poor but I guess we were poor by myself we were not a well off family we would all be around the table but dinner wasn't a big kind of gathering meal it was really much more of a pragmatic you need fuel kind of situation so we would all run in my mum would always cook the food wasn't it was rarely kind of homemade from scratch once again that's probably due to the sort of like financial situation i don't know but also i'm one of six kids there was a lot of children to juggle yeah and so um the sort of food we'd have would be well she used to do nice chicken and chips sometimes and that would be home cooked but often it'd be stuff like a fray bent off steak and kidney pie which i still have a very big soft come in the tin the sort of flat tin and you'd use a can opener to open it then you put the whole tin in the oven but i think because she was cooking obviously on a budget for a lot of family and sometimes we were when i was very young sometimes they struggle with cash so food would be borrowed from other people and and that's how i that's why you see my fingers are weird shape i cut my finger off when i was about one and a half because she'd gone out to borrow food we had no food in the house and she left me not not a wise decision to be looked after by my older brother who himself was only three and a half i believe so that's not a great not a great kind of so that's how that happened um so we grew up without money but you know but it's odd because the absence of something you're not aware of unless you've experienced the opposite so we weren't aware really I mean I knew we didn't have money but it wasn't a big thing so we would have stuff like that so and then we'd have like you know tomato soup with spam sandwiches which is a delicious treat if you've never tried it you dip a spam sandwich into a tomato soup and then oh it's delicious where were you brought up Leightonstone East London oh you're proper well I was born actually in Camden but they moved there when I was one, I think, or one and a half.

14:57So, yeah, I only remember Leighton Stone, which I'm very fond of. I went back recently, and it isn't the same, of course, as nothing is when you go back. But still, you feel a certain level of comfort and security in the area that you spent most of your life. When I was there, I was there in East London until I was about 22, 23. And in Leighton Stone, I was there until I was, like, 19. So it still, you know, sort of calls to me somehow. And then, honey, where did you grow up? And who was around your dinner table, and what were you eating? Good question. I grew up in Golders Green kind of North London and I was very lucky my mum's an amazing cook she's incredible, she's very warm she's very very maternal naturally is she Jewish?

15:37she's a good Jewish woman and you're a really good cook as well you've gotten better, when I was younger you weren't amazing I didn't really cook at all when you were young I did sometimes I was sometimes bust at a big meal but your mother was the primary and for a long while of course you know she was looking after you we didn't have any help and she was making sure that she was there to look after you and so of course inevitably those jobs were for turn you're right she's a spectacular cook she would make like i have such a vivid memory of her making like this incredible guinness pie like that's like a classic recipe i think oh god i can't because she was sending me it the other day because i wanted to make it for someone and um yeah just like a gorgeous like beef like hearty stew like with um carrots and potatoes but like you put a whole can of guinness in it and you stew it for like four hours unbelievable.

16:20And you remember her jambalaya? Jambalaya with sweet potato chips Her jambalaya, she's just what a woman, my mother is such a spectacular woman, like obsessed with her but I always I liked that growing up when we'd have dinners there was kind of no separation of adults and kids at the dinner table like I really liked that you would have all your friends over and then me, my brother and my sister Hold on, don't go spreading the incorrect room where I have friends. You did once in the 2000s. Early 2000s we had like three friends. It was a busy house and we always had kids from the school there. Friends would join us as well.

16:57We were very much that house which people would come over after school. I want to know about the infamous Halloween parties. Oh yeah. Have you never been to one, Jessie? I've never been invited to one. Oh, sorry. You've probably missed out because we might not do anymore. I don't know. Can you tell me the origins of that? Because that was before Halloween was as big a deal here. you've been doing it for ages you were a trailblazer so Jane and I were always very much enamoured of like that aspect of American culture I grew up really loving the idea of America and I grew up in a period when people didn't travel there because it was very expensive you know before really until Virgin came along you know there was Freddie Laker do you remember his Airbus that was a big deal it was affordable flights to a USA before that it was only well off families and well off people that travelled like that so I grew up dreaming would I ever one day go to America but you also have comic book yeah so I'd see these adverts in comic books for like theme parks in new jersey i think oh my god i would love to go there and just the concept of america as a place as a kind of a kind of an iconic kind of location um and so we loved that and when jay and i were first together we would go every year on boxing day we would before we had kids we'd fly to new york and spend new york there and sometimes go down for we had a lovely time and we saw how big it was in america and we always loved the idea of halloween so we always made our house even even before we had kids actually we'd always put something in the window and have trick or treats ready for other kids coming not that many came and when when we had children we'd go out with them and we were always a little bit disappointed that the number of houses that weren't joining you know you'd have to walk you'd have to walk quite a long way to find someone who knew it was even going on so we wanted our place to always be very much a kind of halloween house strong on halloween they're not yeah but you know not not nor christians to be honest with you know it's like most people i don't think the muslims mess with it much either so it's really kind of just become a kind of a commercial thing i think now and that's why it's taken hold.

18:40And so we would always make that a big deal for us and we'd make sure kids locally knew we were doing it. And then we started doing a Halloween party in the garden for our kids. It was just for us at last. Yeah, it was just for the little ones and I'd invite all their classes. So we'd wind up with about 80 kids there because we'd say, you know, all your kids. That is selfless. It was very pure. Well, no, hear this. He would organise a treasure hunt in the garden. So we'd do a treasure hunt in the garden. One year I hired some costumes for me. Several costume changers. I was a werewolf in one bed and then when they were moving on they were led by Jane Tate's I'd run around and I'd be into a Dracula costume that sounds like a bum bum train he was doing one man bum bum train one year I had flu that was a really scary year but also we had Jane's mum Amanda one year was pretending to be a witch and sat in a caravan but weirdly I think she didn't get the right message because when the kids were there she was talking to them about slightly inappropriate things about you'll be a woman soon and you'll have to deal with things I was like what are you doing they're like nine she was going like yeah women are controlled by the moon and the tides and we were like, it's scary in a different way.

19:41I'm like, oh, we know it's coming down the pipeline. Don't get us started on the papayarchy. And so then, as the children got older, and then I moved it and I got more extravagant, and then I thought, wouldn't it be funny if they had a kind of event? So I set up a kind of a bouncy castle type thing in the end of the garden where we had guns, they'd fire that we had zombies, and they were on the bouncy castle where they were safe, and I had some people dressed as zombies walk around, and they could fire at them to kill the zombies. This was really for you, wasn't it? You must have had so many friends.

20:07around Halloween everyone was your best friend oh yeah I was very popular around October it was an amazing time though like the level of work you'd put into it you'd organised like these really elaborate mazes well then they developed I had a maze built in the garden and I had some actors for the kids in that and then when they got a little bit older I realised oh we can invite some of our friends and then it became a grown up party and then I really went to town so I used to hire about 20 or 30 actors and go all out on the all out so you'd go in one room and it was The Exorcist and there was a woman in bed in another room it was Ringu the Japanese film and I had a TV screen set up and the woman actually emerged from the TV screen and chased people away one year I based it on Cabin in the Woods which I don't know if either of you have seen that film I'm really not into scary films I'm very nervous like I can't do that it's a masterpiece I can't do suspense and one of the things in that film was that everyone's being watched by people in the control tower kind of a thing and watched how they react to the horrific things they're being put through and I set this maze up it took me forever where when you ended the maze, I'd let eight people go in at once.

21:09You were being filmed and when you got to the central room, showing on the many screens and there was footage of you entering from like five minutes. Oh my God. So I went to that level. You'd been surveilled the whole time. The whole time. 200 people went through this maze. You know how many people noticed the work I put in there? Two. No one else noticed. I was so few. I said, did you like the bit when you got in the room? Oh yeah, the zombies were scary. I said, what about the other thing? What other thing? Two people noticed it. So we would go a bit crazy and it did dominate. We stopped when my eldest got ill after Covid they had long Covid and moved back in with us and I thought I can't have a big party going in the garden when someone's upstairs in bed and can't enjoy life in that way so we stopped it then and we had two since then I think we did one not at the house yeah I did one at Coco in London the club in London was that fun?

21:54it was fun it wasn't quite as much fun but it was still a lot of fun I also think it was nice for you because they could just leave you and mum they don't like a late night who does the clearing up? well we all pitch in but we have someone who helps us at home anyway and then you know but it was more than just cleaning up because we had to put because it's October. But it's all the decorations you have on the outside. Well we don't have them in the house so much. We do it in the garden so we put I'd hire some like small marquees in the garden and one big mother loving marquee in the where we have a tennis court and that's why I put the maze in.

22:22So it was three or four days of de-rigging going on afterwards. It was amazing. It's a full production. So then like were your birthday parties just a bit of a letdown? Honestly I do feel like Halloween for us was bigger than Christmas, so everything else kind of paled in comparison. But you always went all out for birthdays. We always made sure. But we did what most people would do, especially anyone who's lucky enough to have a bit of cash, so we would have an entertainer. We'd have all their school friends. We'd have nice food. One year, Honey set a particularly arduous task for us, because Honey and her brother Harvey were inexplicably very, very into the Disney movie Mulan.

22:57Okay. Obsessed. Like fixated, watched it every night for about two months. a good film but not one of the classics it's not my fave actually I don't know if I've ever fully watched it I'd say revisit I think there's much to be found there Donny Osmond provides a singing voice of the lead guy cross the waging river like that which I sang to him once he was delighted I knew it was him and then so we had to get a Milan themed party and of course there was no normally if you want Cinderella you get the Disney spot there were Cinderella cups or Snow White cups or Little Mermaid cups nothing no Milan merch whatsoever so what did you do?

23:30well I think we Jane made a Mulan themed cake she made an amazing cake we hired Samantha Taz and said look we need to try and figure out a dragon costume for you we need a Mulan costume for you so we sorted all that so we did a Mulan probably the only Mulan themed party that had happened up to that point and it was breathtaking I still remember it to this day it was gorgeous and so the Guinness pie is a big memory for you yeah the Guinness pie interesting Frey bentos over here and then a pie over there you like a pie then we like a pie we like something hearty We don't eat pies that often anymore, do we?

24:03No, kind of often. They don't eat pies anymore. Yeah, but last time I met you, Jonathan, and I was on your show, I swear we would, because I was like, you should come on the podcast. He was like, and I think you had just lost some weight because you wanted to. Tell everyone why you wanted to lose the weight. I think, was that because I wanted to get into my vintage clothing? Yeah, your cool vintage clothing. And I've now put some, but not all of it back on, and I'm now fighting to get it off again. Thank you, Lennon. God bless you. You were like, I actually can't do your food because that, because at the moment I'm just not eating.

24:31No, because I got down again to, I'm about, in old money, I'm 15 stone at the moment. I should be about 14. You always look great. And I got down to 13 and a half and then I could wear all my 80s trousers. Well, I'm apologising in advance, but this is deliciously calorific. So, you're going on to a desert island for a little while. What would be your last supper, honey? I would do... Start a main course and drink of choice. Okay, that's made it easier. because I was imagining one big full wham and that stressed me out so I think drink, at the moment I'd love a dirty martini that would be my beverage filthy, filthy tell them how filthy your martinis get these days this is going to turn your stomach Lenny I soak blue cheese in vodka are you with me?

25:22I soak blue cheese in vodka freeze it I get truffle oil I infuse so with the blue cheese infusion that's the base a little bit of vermouth truffle oil salt and pepper about four olives and I put pickle juice I want to go out with you and drink dirty martinis this is like that's all I want that's heaven thank you so much for this by the way thank you such a pleasure I'm a little bit disappointed already that you gave Honey a slightly larger portion than me I don't know if that was deliberate did I give you a larger portion? yes you gave Honey a slightly larger portion I mean that was noted we can give you seconds You can have seconds or you can have doubles on the roulade.

26:00This looks fabulous. Thank you, Jessie. Where were you on your last supper? Okay, last supper, I'd only dealt with my beverage. Filthy dirty martini, probably with blue cheese, stuffed olives. Who taught you this recipe? Oh, Instagram. I'm quite basic in that way. Your mother. Well, my mother, yes, but we send each other filthy dirty martini recipes because we both love a savoury drink. It took me maturing. It took my frontal lobe fully developing to learn to love. She likes a punchy old, doesn't she? She doesn't go for the sweet cocktails. No, she loves, you know, have you ever had a pickleback shot?

26:33Yeah. It's just like pickle juice and vodka, basically. Really hardcore, and I live for that. I thought it was with whiskey. Oh, it's whiskey, yeah. For your birthday, though, she put together a kit to make extra dirty martini for it, didn't she? She did. In a lovely basket. Very thoughtful, very sweet. So, yeah, I'd have a dirty martini. I'd probably have, for starters... I mean now I know that that's an option I would definitely do probably like a matzo ball soup that's like a gorgeous opener classic cozy comforting but then I think for Maine and this is quite indulgent but again if it's my last meal not death row but island I would probably do maybe like a wagyu a bit of wagyu steak like really beautifully cooked maybe like I would do it like Japanese style like I would want like seared on the outside seared on the outside very pink in the middle I'm not sure what I'd have with it though it's a huge this is a huge question and I feel even though I listen to the podcast I'm unprepared you need to keep it simple so you need like some nicely done really nicely done asparagus miso asparagus lots of sesame seeds how do you do miso asparagus do you just tell me you make a little miso glaze You mix miso, a little bit of soy sauce, a little bit of sesame oil and then you just brush it on and you really like gently bake it.

27:56That's delicious. Do you cook a lot of Japanese? I know you love all things Japan right? We do cook quite a lot of food like that and we recently got into, is it gochujang? I love gochujang. I think is that Korean? Yeah that's Korean. So you use into gochujang, mob. Mob love gochujang. What's it like the brown butter gochujang pasta everybody's going all about? You can use gochujang pasta, but I do a very good gochujang chilli. It's unbelievable. So I cook a chilli up, and you add a big dollar of the gochujang along with soy sauce when you're cooking the beef up. Yum! Does it make it very hot?

28:31Not too hot. It's more of a kind of a warm kind of... It's kind of like a gentle burn. Okay.

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30:47Jonathan, do you still read comic books? Yeah, I still read some comics, yeah. How many comics have you got? I don't know. Thousands. Thousands? Tens of thousands. It's really something. How do you catalogue them? I had an area built to keep my comics in where there's a shelving, and it's very nicely done shelving because you should ideally, if you've got old comics, you should store them with a backing board in acid-proof plastic with a second plastic bag on them, which is made out of mylar plastic, which is firm and makes for them to get creased. Because these days, the older ones, it's all about condition.

31:18And so when you've got those really old sought-after ones, you want to keep them as pristine as possible. And they're all laid out, they're all sorted in order, and I had these kind of dividers made. In order of what? Of the character? No, numerical order. And then I've got them alphabetised by, divided into three or four different companies. So I've got all of my EC books, which is an old comic company from the 50s up in that area. Marvel's all over that side. DC's primarily there. Dell would be up there. Fawcett would be down there. Atlas Comics would be over here. The thing about collections is you have to keep it so pristine.

31:50So do you still get pleasure out of reading them? Because it seems like you wouldn't want to touch them because you need to keep them pristine. So then what's the pleasure? This is when the level of my obsession becomes, unfortunately, a power, which is that most of the old ones I have doubles of, which are reading copies. Oh, my God. So I have my pristines and I have my readers. Do you wear gloves when you open them? It's very extreme. If I was to go in for the old books, you should wear gloves. Yeah, like cotton gloves. Because I've got books from, like, I've got the first ever Marvel comic, which came out in 1939, Marvel Comics number one, and that is super, super rare.

32:20But that one's been graded, and when they grade them, and what they do is they put them in a sort of sealed plastic box with all the information about them, which you can't open again. And if you open it, the grading's no longer valid. So for people who deal in high-end comic books, there's that kind of thing. Who's your favourite superhero? I don't really do favourites, Lenny, but I'll do one for you. All right, just do one. Well, I don't know. I mean, Spider-Man is the one I grew up loving the most when I was a kid, but I loved the Fantastic Four as well. But I like some of the odd ones as well.

32:47There's a character called Herbie the Fat Fury, who was a plump fellow who sucked on lollipops and could turn his entire body into a flying saucer. Oh, my God, I'm going to tell my kids about that. They're obsessed with superheroes. That's a good one. They should come to the office. It's kind of obscure. It's called Ogden Whitney. What a great name, Ogden Whitney. He must be American. He's American. I'm almost definitely no longer with us. He would have been about 120 now. Wow. And did Harvey used to dress up in superhero costumes? Not really. I mean, we raised them all kind of in a somewhat gender, non-specific environment.

33:17So whatever they wanted to do. I mean, I went out with... We were in Florida on Holly once, and we went out with Honey and Harvey. They were both dressed as Barney the dinosaur. I mean, Harvey looked like twins because Harvey had the same length hair I did. Harvey never cut his hair. So we both had waist length. Is it still long now? He's got the longest hair in the family. He's got untouched, like, virgin hair, waist length. Stunning. And largely unwashed. Unwashed, yeah. He doesn't wash it often because he's part of that gang with him. Has he got children? No, but he did just get engaged. Okay.

33:46Mazel tov. They're thinking of starting a family next year. Which would be really nice. Honey, do you have any kind of obsessions like your father and collect anything? I don't think I have anything to the same level of kind of like neurotic fixation that you do. Hold on, that's not, I'm going to push back on that in a minute. No, I'm going to push back on you describing it as a neurotic fixation, but carry on with your bit. Okay, we're going to have a fight. No, it's, you know what, I think if I had more space, I'd be, I would be like more of a collector slash hoarder. I love a trinket I collect like a lot of like miniature things I love miniatures I you've actually recently helped me acquire something that I've been wanting to complete for a while which is have you heard of the Lennox Spice Village oh this is going to change your life oh my god it's 1980s spice set where you store your spices and they look like tiny gorgeous little cottages and you've got you know you've got tarragon you've got mustard you've got parsley you've got chive but they're gorgeous in its own little house in its own little house honey get this shit up on I need to see but here's the thing now be wary because they recently they did a reissue of these recently and they're not as nice but you got the original so where did you get the original from this man right there he completed my collection oh no they are adorable and honey's got it in that actual that's the one I've got that up on the wall in my house that is adorable it's breathtaking it's the best thing I own what's your best spice my oh you know what I'm a huge fan of dill Oh, everyone loves dill.

35:15Everyone loves dill. Not dill, then. I was cooking with dill just last night. Fresh. You've got to be fresh. I was cooking with dill just last night. What were you doing? Oh, and I made your mother my special potatoes. Very good. What are your special potatoes? With dill. Smashed potatoes. Yeah. Where you make the potatoes, you parboil 15 minutes jerseys, get them out, let them cool, squash them down. Squish them down. They know what a smashed potato is. Rub them all in butter, salt and pepper, put them in the oven, 45 minutes to an hour and a half. Crispy. Max. Crispy. And then the cream, whip up the double cream, add the dill, add the lemon.

35:44Make it sour. Don't add the lemon before you whip it, because it won't whip as easy. And then use that to dip the potatoes in. Sounds like... It's a calorific nightmare. Yeah. You can hear your arteries hardening as you eat it. You're not on a diet this week. Not at the moment. And I did that with last night, barbecue ribs, a few sausages. Yum! Did you barbecue? Betty had nice vegan burgers with cheese on top. And then what did we have for afterwards? Oh, Dubai chocolate. it. Speaking of which, you did bring some over. So I feel like... No, no, no. You should have that, because we've had it. You should both enjoy it.

36:19There's only four bars in there. I've heard a lot about it, and I've seen a lot of people recreating it. So while Lenny is going over there to get the dessert out, which I don't think... I'll be honest with you, Lenny, I think your daughter set the bar high, and I'll be surprised if it'll be up to the task. But I'm going to push back. I want to explain what I said when honey said neurotic fixation. Oh, wow, we're going back there. Because I have many collections. I thought you were going to talk about Dubai chocolate, but carry on. Me too, I'm ready for that discourse. I have probably the largest collection of a certain specific type of Japanese toy outside of Japan.

36:54I have a collection of clothing that I've got over the years. I have a collection of magazines and books from the 70s, 80s, all that sort of stuff. So you're not really dispelling the allegations. Here's the reason, though. The actual root cause of this is far more prosaic and slightly more depressing. which is that coming from a family with no money and this is so atypical I essentially when I got a little bit of what's the word disposable income treated myself to the things that I felt a deep and simmering sense of entitlement to that I didn't have when I was a kid so I wound up for example I really wanted this space toy when I was a kid and I did eventually get one but for years I didn't I wanted a major Matt Mason Mattel's first man in space instead I had a tiny free giveaway of the Shell petrol man and I made him a spacesuit out of paper and I carried him around with me until one year I finally got a Major Mac Mason.

37:42And now I have every single Major Mac Mason that you could possibly hope for, including several of the prototypes and several of the original 1960s boxes they were displayed in on stores and delivered in stores. I now know so much about Major Mac Mason. If ever you find the Orbiter, that's the one thing I'm missing. There was a prototype made. I know you've been keeping an eye out, Jesse. It was never released. I'll get my eBay notifications. eBay? What are you? A noob? Come on. Where do you go? I'm connected to a bunch of like-minded, essentially also tragic middle-aged men. He's big on Facebook communities.

38:16He's like big part of kind of like very niche toy Facebook communities. The Mikuraman group. Do you have an alias on the Facebook groups? On the Mikuraman group, I am Micro John. No, we can't say the name, otherwise everyone will know. It doesn't matter. It's not really a hidden alias. because we collect micro noughts which is the American version of all our maids micro john it's too pure it's quite adorable I never thought I'd find you so adorable although he's a little cherub he's so cute honey we haven't finished your last supper yet so can we get let's take it from the matzball soup no that looks like heaven look at that lemon curd okay so matzball soup I'm going to do wagyu steak very indulgent remain gorgeous buttery melts in the mouth and then for dessert.

39:05Oh, now, why do I feel like I've forgotten? Thank you. You know what? I would do a Black Forest Gateau. God, he's comparing. He's getting his ruler out. Jesse, as an unbiased witness, which of these is by far the largest? Hold on, I'll give you a bigger piece. I'm just going to take that one. I will have it, Jonathan. You can have a bigger piece. I'm happy, I just wonder why I'm being given... What's going on? Wow. Why am I being given the starvation rations here? Well, the nicest guy in showbiz, as well, the greediest guy in showbiz. No, I just want to live in a fair world. Micro John, calm down.

39:41So Wagyu beef with the miso glaze, yum, and then pudding. And then I think I'd do like a classic Black Forest Gato. I don't know where to get a good Black Forest Gato. What was the place? Patisserie Valerie. Patisserie Val. Classic Pat Val. Oh, is it really good? You must know the Pat Val. Patisserie Valerie. Patisserie Valerie, yeah. There's one in North London. That might have shut now. There's one in Soho still. They used to have a couple. There's only one left. Thank you so much. This looks beautiful, Lenny. And then there's also, there's a supermarket in North London in Belsize called Cavanagh's that has an amazing Black Forest Gateau.

40:17And I'm always like, you know what? If I have a really bad day, I'm going to buy one of those. Like I'm bracing myself for that. Like if I get some bad news, I'm going to buy a whole cake and eat it. So Jonathan, let's go on to your last supper. What's yours? Okay, well, unlike my daughter has been wazed, traveling the world, eating fine food, everywhere. I've been quite happy just with main course, baked potato, crisp on the outside. Beautiful. Lots of butter, lots of cheese, beans on the side, but only if they've been cooked and had to cool down and reheated. Otherwise the sauce is too runny.

40:51Yeah, that's a very good point. Okay. Happy to go with that. But I can and will eat anything. So I love like Japanese food. So some of these are like a really good ramen. Oh, my God, a good ramen. Ramen, daisugi. Where do you go for your ramen in London? There are a few places. Bone Daddy's very good, but we mainly like to buy ramen to be delivered from a Welsh company. Yeah, Matsudai. Matsudai, which is a Welsh company that does home delivery. And you order it up and they do various different seasoned ones, but they do the right kind of stock broth that goes with it, which is normally bones that have been cooked down.

41:23So good. And you get the pork, the chassoe pork that you just kind of fry up for you. You get the eggs, which have been done properly, and all these soaked in soy. You get the lovely noodles, and they do lots of different ones. They did a vampire one at Halloween, which was a very garlicky base, if you like garlic. Oh, that's fun. And they do vegan ones as well. We love Matsuda. I love this. I've never heard of them. Great, thanks. They're amazing. They're big in Wales. They're really good when you get them delivered. Brilliant. So I would happily go with that kind of thing. I would happily also go, sometimes you want simple food, Heinz tomato soup with nicely thick, crusty, toasty bread with butter on.

41:57It's a great choice. but I would also go with some of the more, you know, meals we've been like. I'm also a great fan of Wagyu beef. I'm also a great fan of tempura and Japanese food. Where do you get Wagyu beef? It's a special butcher. Well, here we tend to go to restaurants. I tell you what we do love though. Have you guys ever tried hot pot? No. This would be mine. You're so right. This would be your honey's and your mum's probably. This would be ours. It's Chinese hot pot. And specifically Sichuan. Have you been to Heidi Lau in town? No. you guys haven't lived you've got to get out of this part of London and travel your kids would love it would they so you get basically a big and it's so lovely because it's a communal atmosphere it's like very much everybody kind of like breaking bread together in a really beautiful like community spirit where is it you're gathered around they're all over now they're all over but Heidelau is in Leicester Square and at the O2 they've got one in Easton so you sit around a square table with an open space where they put the big broths that you choose you can go with a hot I see one or you can go with either Tom Young or other ones, or mushroom flavour, tomato flavour, that bubbles up, and then you order from the menu different meats and vegetables that you then dip in with Tom's, leave it in, and then fish them out.

43:07Oh, the kids would love that. Is it like a sexy Benihana? It's more fun than Benihana, and you get noodles. So you're cooking, like, beef, and cooking vegetables. And they do Wagyu as well. It's like a lucky dip. So pudding, where are you going for pudding? Pudding, aye. I'm not that bothered when I have puddings or nachos. I love them when they're there. but I mean for me it's all about the main really um but I would do you don't drink I don't drink did you ever yeah I drank very very very successfully for many years okay you loved it I was a good drinker yeah I can still drink I mean I'm not an alcoholic so I could drink yeah if I've had a drink now it wouldn't mean that tomorrow I would be thirsting for alcohol again but I just choose not to you know it's much easier life is easier without it as you get older I find myself getting tired and more easily and so you don't have a hangover deal with you're not fit and also the only downside to not drinking is you don't really want to hang out with people as much as you used to because you forget what a great lubricant is socially and when you go to a pub for someone everyone's sitting around drinking well they drink and they get another drink once you've had two Diet Cokes you really want to get home but I don't miss it so dessert then what desserts do I like?

44:08I like I do like I like trifle I like it when your mum doesn't eat mess that's very good yeah she makes a lovely eat mess I like oh the family that special that your mum came up with margarita pie margarita pie what's margarita pie? margarita pie it's quite a boozy one actually going back to alcohol she makes a margarita mix with lots of lime juice and I think she mixed the cream into it you put a whole condensed milk into essentially margarita mix, so you've got triple sec and tequila and lime juice so you can taste the alcohol, you know that tang of alcohol and you really taste the lime and then the base is made out of digestive biscuits crushed up with salt no no, salty pretzels you do 50-50 digestive biscuits 50-50 salt pretzels, mash them up make them into a pie crust this is like a wine of keelime pie it's like a tequila will send it to you.

44:52Please send it. That sounds amazing. So it's a bit like that Nigella's tequila chicken. Is it Nigella? Not at all. No, but it's not OK. It's like Nigella's tequila chicken without the key ingredients to keep the chicken. But I'm thinking of the flavour. Yeah, a tequila is there. Is the tequila chicken limey? That sounds amazing. Your mum just sounds so fat. She must be such fun. Oh my God, she's a blast. She's a dream. We're lucky to have her. We're so lucky. But yeah, you put it in the freezer. It's like icy. It's like a jelly shot. Honestly, I'll get you absolutely trash. We've got some frozen up.

45:27We should have bought one over. Tell me, when do you record your podcast? We do the podcast normally in the week, either Wednesdays or Thursdays. That gives us a chance to catch up on TV and films. What a great job. And do they send her advanced? Sometimes. But you know, we do sometimes get advanced stuff sent to us. And I get it sent to me for the show anyway. So often I'll watch it with Honey when I get that sent to me. But we do get sent advanced stuff. but we're really happy because it's not necessarily about what's coming out next week we didn't want to do it that way we want to do it generally because there's so much stuff comes out now on so many platforms that you couldn't really do something which was everything interesting I didn't like Mobland it wasn't my cup of tea that's because it's just not for you I learnt over the years I was doing film criticism to realise hold on and it was more film review than criticism because criticism is slightly more complex but I learnt over the years to accept oh hold on, something's just not for me.

46:20And they're not designed for me, but nor do they ring my particular bell. They don't resonate with me. And that doesn't mean that they're bad in any way. So how can you critique them if it's not for you? Well, you can say, for example, okay, it was my cup of tea, but I thought the performances were great or I thought the performances were not great. I thought the script was clever or the script was not as sophisticated or as well wrought as it should have been. The music was this, the direction. You can look at something and you can appreciate the technical side of it as well as seeing whether it works as a piece of storytelling.

46:46substance I so many people had so many different views and did you did you review this one yeah you did and I loved it I really enjoyed it but I think what I enjoyed about it was more like the camera shots and the sound um design in it and like of course like you know the resurrection of Demi and all of that I loved it it went it was way too long it was kind of ridiculous at the end but I kind of enjoyed it and it was entertaining but everyone was like you want to talk about the sound in it but I thought it was really clever with the close-ups with Dennis Quaid and you be and the grotesqueness of his eating.

47:17I enjoyed all of that. Yeah. Well, actually, if you like that, you should see Carl Iffarge's earlier film, Revenge, which you can see on Netflix. There's another scene where there's someone eating something and there's a close-up of his mouth. And I think she, understandably, has a problem with men in that respect, but it makes him look even more monstrous and even more predatory and foul because he's eating chocolate with nuts in it. And you see inside his mouth it's all been chewed up and mastectomy. Did you enjoy the substance? I really liked the substance. I thought it was too long and I thought it was a film with uneven tone because the third part felt to me like a kind of slightly trashier trauma movie and I don't think you needed quite as much of Monstrosa collapsing at the end but I really liked it, I love the idea behind it I think it was bravura filmmaking I think she's an amazing director and I think the performances, both Margaret and Demi in particular were amazing So what, if people haven't heard Real Talk I mean, it's weekly isn't it?

48:11And then you do bonus apps and you're talking about everything from like adolescence on Netflix, you're talking about series and film and if one thing apart from Hacks, which we all love I love, just so glorious and you're so right when you say people don't know about it they're going to do a spin off they are? they're doing the fourth season you get Deadline on Instagram and they said they're doing a spin off from Hacks I don't know what it's going to be and it's going to be nastier. Oh well I wish it were because I love the kind of the tone of her. Yeah me too. But she's mean in a really oddly kind of lovable way.

48:50Yeah. Because you know where it's going from. They're quite us. Exactly like us. But no we talk about ourselves a little bit about our lives but hopefully not too much we mainly just talk about the stuff that we've either wanted to see or were forced to see. Do you ever get asked to have someone on who's promoting something? Well we do get, we might do some. We've had a couple of people, we're thinking of branching out into that I think it would have to be the right person and we'd have to be like fully on board with it because we I'm not as keen we're so honest we're very brutal well frankly this bench is quite uncomfortable I'll be honest with you you put me in the children this is where your kids sit I can tell the wipe down bench they thought we were going to make a mess honey they put us where the children go and Lenny tried to put a bib on me earlier it's I just think it's such a great podcast I mean I I watch probably more series than I do films and I think there's such romance with watching films still still and I feel like my attention span is lacking that I almost do you though what do you put your phone away when you watch a film well that's what you've got to do I know if you can get yourself in a habit doing that you go to the cinema turn it off don't even leave it on with the sound right turn it off because then in that moment where there's a momentary blip in your attention on the film something is maybe dragging a little too long or not quite as engaging and you can't just wait for the phone and have it come on you then have to go oh I've got to turn it on I'm going to come in and put my passport in.

50:08And I think that's it. I wish more people would just turn off their phone when they go to the cinema. But I thought you meant to. It says to the cinema. Well, I'm not for your phone. Everyone puts it on silent. What would we find in your fridges that will always be there? Come rain, come shine. Well, your mum is still angry with me about our fridge. Why? Oh, my God, don't. So when we had the kitchen redone about 15 years ago, we had all the stuff built in, and then the fridge went kaput, and they don't make that fridge anymore. So we couldn't just take the front off and put it in. couldn't find a fridge that would fit there so in the end we were trying to find one and jane didn't want to change what's outside we have this nice wood i said let's just redo the kitchen you know no no no and so we finally got some guys said no we can find this fridge will fit there and i said okay and then they said no no that fridge is also defunct now i said okay so i stopped consulting jane i said just find a fridge put it in we put a fridge in but it's only about two thirds as deep as the fridge that was in there before and now every almost every time your mom this fucking fridge it's like a mini bar yes it's tiny but it's mainly only normally it's only the two we don't need a full out of stuff but anyway so and i said to him i said can i ask you please i'll listen one more time please can we never ever discuss this fridge again or let's rip it out what would you find in your little fridge though we would find gotcha dong there would be some booze on the top shelf for people to come and drink as well as some like non-alcoholic wine spritzy drinks are nice and and and not boozy there would be uh there's always some fruit and veg not fruit but there's always some veg in there as well there's normally jane and i because we're both kind of like trying to keep our weight somewhere we often have ready meals during the week as well which which provide i think she gets some from ocada on the show but there's a pizza one look m &s do this kind of like really low-cal pizza which is gorgeous and it's so you bung it in the oven for eight nine minutes it's done things for a pizza it's really lovely have that with something on the side i'll put a few more tomatoes on top but then when i cook for that i'll do stump something and i'll just order some stuff up that i want to cook her that night and she'll do stuff for me in the same way so we've got normally there's there's normally some fish in there there's normally some meat in there there's normally eggs in there it's all the basic stuff there the only stuff that the ordinary is there's some stuff like there's normally a small jug of booze with blue cheese soaking in it for reasons that you now know martinis yeah yes she's always got that on the go.

52:21Do you live nearby? Yeah. I live about like three tube stops away. So I'm never far from home. And I visit a lot. And clearly I'm very codependent with my parents, which is a gift. We love this. It's a gift. What's in your fridge? I've recently... You know about the Spice Village now? My Spice Village is purely ornamental, which is criminal actually. You're not actually going to put spices in it? It's a collector's item. You are your father's daughter. I use gloves to handle it. No, I do not use gloves, actually. I've got vintage stuff that I definitely use, like my Walkmans I use. I go out with the Walkman with the cassette in it occasionally, treat myself.

53:01Bit of a cure, banging out on the old C90 cassette. Beautiful. Oh, my God, that's so funny. It's adorable. So what's in your fridge? I recently really got into meal prepping ramen eggs. Oh, John Canucks. I'm getting fed them on my algorithms, too. Or drug eggs, as they're called. Drug eggs. Your mum loves a drug egg. Myak eggs, oh my God. Are they really good? I make a full pan of eggs on a Sunday, marinate them, eat them on rice during the week because I always have kimchi in my fridge. So I have a big thing, kimchi. I'll do kimchi, I'll do a myak egg. Sometimes I'll make Korean banchan, like the little side dishes that you have.

53:39You could be talking in Korean. I would understand it just as well, darling. It's like tapas in Korea. So I'll make banchan spinach and then I'll have like just basically like stuff that I can easily throw together so I've got a healthy meal throughout the week. I tell you what's else in Africa do you remember when mum did that lovely salad for Christmas with pickled cranberries and so Jane pickled some cranberries and they're gorgeous because they're sweet but also got a kind of pickly vibe. Yum. And before we let you go would you both give us a nostalgic taste? A nostalgic taste? Or scent or like something that can transport you back somewhere.

54:15Do you want me to go first? I've got one in my head already. Say it. I'm sure you've been, people have shared this before, Butterscotch Angel Delight. Now, someone else, your manager loves Angel Delight. Grace Dent, I remember when she was promoting her book, she sent everyone Angel Delight. But is it the smell or is the taste? No, the flavour of Butterscotch Angel Delight was kind of uniquely its own. Yeah, but I don't mind synthetics. I love, I tell you what I love, I love a fake grape flavour. I love fake grape. Fake grape. Fake grape. That's what my favourite. You get that in the States more than anyone.

54:47There's a Chinese vinegar called Qi Forest, which is a soda that has a great flavour, which is so synthetic and yet so delicious. Delicious. Honey, what would be your nostalgic taste? My nostalgic taste? Ooh, taste. Okay, have you got a smell? I've got a smell. Yeah, you can do that. Growing up, you and Mum always used to drink hazelnut coffee. Yes. Like, love it. The flavoured coffee. In America, in particular, we can buy it and you grind it up. And to this day, like a hazelnut coffee, I'll have it because I buy the grind pods. Love them. They do a hazelnut. But one of the reasons I used to do that was just to make the house smell of hazelnut.

55:18It was such a nice smell. Such a nice smell. Where were you getting it from? Was it like Starbucks? Well, we have a house in Florida. And so they spent a lot of summers in Florida when they were kids. We bought it. We didn't have any money, to be honest with you. But Jane came into a little bit of money. And I thought, well, I'll then pay off the mortgage, which we'd still have a mortgage. We won't change the iPad. Because we loved going to Disney so much. I said, look, I was doing a job for someone that they were paying me in airline flights. And I thought, well, if we had a place to go and I've got these flights bent up, we could still go to Disney with the kids even if I'm not working because my career was very patchy as most people in TV is for a while and so I thought that would be a nice thing so we have this, it's a very modest little place which is not dissimilar to Ipswich but it's in Florida so you could go there, stay free and go to Disney World I love the Ipswich of Florida it's an amazing comparison it's not a glamorous place it is on a highway, it's on the freeway you bring the glamour we used to go to the big public supermarket like it's like Publix with an X which is like Publix yeah love Publix huge industrial sized supermarket and you can get your own coffee beans and they have huge it's interesting whenever you go somewhere different and now we've been to a market but still because it's just slightly different culturally when you go somewhere like that it's exciting going to a supermarket is exciting when you're in Holland I used to love it when I went to Europe when I was a young adult and you'd go into like in Spain somewhere you'd go to a supermarket and I'd think wow everything's different all the biscuits are different do you think you'll keep the place in Florida?

56:39Well, we've kept it so far. So, yeah, for now, I mean, we've held on to stuff like that because we haven't been for a while. We haven't been since before COVID because we couldn't travel during COVID. And then because my oldest got ill, we couldn't travel for a while. So we didn't, you know, we didn't travel at all for a long while. We only recently started travelling again. And so I might go back this year. Betty is much better than they were, but still sometimes needs a wheelchair, you know, because so not certainly not 100%, but certainly shows a very cheerful spirit and he's definitely moving in the right direction.

57:12Jonathan and Honey, it's been so lovely having you over. It's been lovely meeting you. The food, I'll be honest with you. We could stop someone on the way back. Don't listen to this. No, I saw five guys just round the corner. We'd just go via that. Did your dad tease you throughout your life? My entire life, it's kept me very humble. It's kept you on guard, I should think. Honestly. Kept me in therapy is what it's done. No, but guys, thank you so much for having us. Thank you. The company was delightful. And the food was spectacular. Lasagna was superb. Thank you. Gorgeous. It was the sauce that made it for me.

57:43I don't know what extra you put in the sauce. Was that where the jalapeno's hiding? There was a little jalapeno that had been there, and then there was like jalapeno on oil, but probably a lot of cream and cheese. I mean, look, Easter Belfrich is an amazing chef. You should definitely get her cooked. Was that the bechamel? Did you use the bechamel? No, but that's it. It's just double cream and cheese. So it's an easier... Actually, it was very... I don't think we need to hear more about that. The pudding was fabulous. Your roulade will be spoken of for many years to come. It was breathtaking. Gorgeous.

58:22I loved having Honey and Jonathan on the podcast. They are fab. I'm obsessed with Honey. She's such a gorgeous girl and she's really lovely. and she's so patient with her dad teasing her the whole thing. All of us, to be fair, he teased all of us. They adore each other, though. Mum, what do you think of the prawn lasagna? It was delicious. See? It does sit there, though, a bit. I think that was the cream on the cream, though. I think the roulade was potentially the straw that broke the camel's back with lactose intolerant people. The roulade was delicious, though, Mum. But, yeah, it's really sitting.

58:58Much taller than I thought it'd be. Oh. Oh, yeah, he was quite... Jonathan Ross was a little man. No, I didn't think he was as tall as that. Very majestic, very clever, very funny. And I just loved all his interest in the comic books. How does he fit so many interests into his... I feel like it must have been a very fun house to grow up in. Yeah. And next time we'll have Jane. She might bring her Guinness pie. Forget about the... Well, no, Guinness pie she can do, and then she can do the margarita. dessert. Wow. Thank you to Honey and Jonathan Ross. Their podcast, Real Talk, is out. And it's really good.

59:39It's so good. It's really good. Thank you so much and we'll see you next week.

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