Kurt and Wyatt Russell

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1:14Lennie Ware: Hello and welcome to Tobermaners. I'm Jessie Ware and it's a lovely sunny day. Spring day. Spring hath sprung. Today we have Kurt and Wyatt Russell, father and son, who also play the same character in the Apple TV show Monarch Legacy of Monsters. They play Lee Shaw and it's this kind of Godzilla, Kong, scientists, relationships, it's all of it. And so they play the same character but at different stages of their life so Wyatt is playing Lee Shaw when he is post-war 50s younger and then Kurt plays him when he's you know mid-60s so we've got them both coming on and you know we've had Kate Hudson yeah um just need Goldie now just need Goldiehorn now um very excited to have them me too you have cooked today mum I've cooked today what have you made for my heart's rub well we do love Kurt Russell Overboard is our ultimate It was our family film wasn't it really?

2:14Lennie Ware: Is that inappropriate or not? No I don't think so We all loved it Got something for everyone I've cooked John Gregory Smith. Good old John Gregory Smith We love you. It's a prawn with orzo. Okay great And then I've made a little gem salad with a chai vinaigrette and pickled red onions Where did you get that idea from? I just looked up, I've got two bags of chives in my fridge. So I looked at Little Gem and chive and it came up. Wow, my breath is going to smell fabulous. Yeah, it's very garlicky. And then I've made a chocolate whiskey cake. Wow. Which is basically a chocolate cake made with cocoa, not chocolate cocoa.

3:00Lennie Ware: Okay. And then you make a milk and whiskey soak and you pour it over the top so the whiskey sinks into the cake and then it's got a caramel glaze. Yum. Yeah. Well, it looks as if it's going to be great. We'd made another cake yesterday, didn't we, Mum? Yes. Have my son's seventh birthday, Laser Tag, Greenwich. Laser Tag, yeah. Fab. Haven't played Laser Tag in years. Yeah. And I was taking it quite seriously. Well, the millennials do, darling. Are you a millennial? Yes. Yeah. Why do they take it seriously? I saw them pushing young children out the way so they could look at their scores. Yeah. They were like, push them out the way.

3:34Lennie Ware: I said to your daughter, you need to have more of a killer instinct, darling. Yeah, my daughter needed to get... She did all right in the end. She did all right. It was very fun, but yeah, we made a birthday cake. Well, I kind of made it, actually. You made it, darling. But you kind of executive chefed me. Yeah. And told me what I was doing wrong with my butter icing. It was fine. It was a football pitch. I've realised that basically with a kid's cake, the more shit you throw onto it, the more it looks like you've made an effort. Yeah. So... And they liked it. I washed all the little figures later.

4:06Lennie Ware: So you could keep them. I'm going to be stepping on that in my F.E. No, they were just on the top. That and the new Harry Potter Lego that my son got. Anyway, Kurt Russell and Wyatt Russell coming up on Table Manners.

4:26Lennie Ware: Kurt and Wyatt Russell, thank you so much for being here. For having us. Yeah, this is so nice. Yeah, mum was saying we just need Goldie and Oliver and then we've nearly got the whole family. How many siblings have you got?

4:38Jessie Ware: Three siblings. So it's Oliver, Kate and Boston.

4:41Lennie Ware: Okay, we need Boston, Oliver and Goldie and then we've done it.

4:43Wyatt Russell: That would be a fun, that's a fun group. And Meredith, we need Meredith here.

4:47Jessie Ware: Oh, you're right.

4:49Lennie Ware: How is Meredith with your two children that are full of germs?

4:53Jessie Ware: Yeah, she is the rock of the family right now. We've traded off. She was doing work here in London. Before me, I was with the kids. Now it's her turn to be with the kids. And they're all sick, of course. Oh, my. It's a bummer. But she's got the immune system of, like, a god.

5:09Lennie Ware: But you don't.

5:10Jessie Ware: No.

5:11Lennie Ware: Right.

5:11Jessie Ware: I get the man flu, you know. And it's like I go down and I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm a useless human being. You sound not well, actually. I've got the, I've got, it's just the nasal now. It's no longer the sick part.

5:23Lennie Ware: I've got nasal spray coming out my ears upstairs if you need anything. Okay. Yeah.

5:28Jessie Ware: Do a little nanny pot.

5:29Lennie Ware: Oh, yeah. And what's it? The really unattractive nail med. Oh, yeah. The one where like literally, I mean, it's so satisfying, the crap that comes out of your nose. Oh, yeah.

5:38Jessie Ware: It's amazing. No, sorry. But just don't use tap water. That's the one's advice. Except like the brain amoebas you don't want. Oh, God. You don't want the brain amoebas.

5:49Lennie Ware: Well, we're going to be talking about food and drinks. Kurt's watching my mom deal with the dinner.

5:54Wyatt Russell: Can never have too much butter.

5:57Lennie Ware: wow that is a lot of butter ah yeah really very good it's like a huge anyway thank you for being here whilst mum is dealing with with i think we're having some kind of paella thingy something let's start at the beginning because we don't have you for too long i want to know about both of your childhoods so let's start with you kurt who was around the dinner table and what's a very

6:20Wyatt Russell: memorable food memory well in 1959 my grandfather uh on a barbecue that he made himself he won the world's outdoor cooking championship

6:33Lennie Ware: such high achievers all of you this was this was a you know he was a great chef

6:38Wyatt Russell: yeah he built a log cabin in maine in 1939 and we were there a lot yeah and that's where we We kind of grew up as very young. But we would go back. Once my dad moved the family to California because he became an actor after he played baseball, then we'd go back and see them quite often. And as the years went by, it was always great when Buddy, who was my grandfather, he has his son's name, Buddy. Buddy would always cook for us. So it was big in our family. What I can always remember is he was one of those that was like, there's still some left there in the middle. So we would all have to finish up whatever he had cooked.

7:21Wyatt Russell: But he was a great chef. And he had a really renowned hotel on Kennebago Lake where for many years in the beginning, from the early 1950s to the early 1960s before union laws changed, he had one of the most famous buffets in the United States.

7:42Jessie Ware: Which I didn't believe until I saw photos in my grandfather's photo album when Lulu was dying. We were going through the photos. And I was like, where's this? And it was like this epic. I mean, it really was as epic as they described. I was like, oh, my God, it was epic.

8:01Lennie Ware: Please, can you describe it to the listener now?

8:03Wyatt Russell: Kennebago Lake was a five-mile long by one-mile lake. It's still a different arrangement now. There's 31 cabins, and it was a Maine lodge. And on Thursday nights, he had this buffet, and they'd fly in from Florida, from San Francisco, from New York. He had the first float plane base in the state of Maine. So he had been flying people up from Boston to New York and Chicago and whatever. But once he got this going, people would come up literally for – They spend the night and have the buffet. The buffet was fantastic. You've seen it. It was amazing. And you ate the buffet. I didn't have it. Did you ever get to eat it?

8:44Wyatt Russell: No, because by the time I worked there as a busboy and worked behind the front desk, he was unable to do it anymore because the union laws had changed for the chefs that were working on the buffet. And they didn't have enough time to make it. So he said, if I can't do it right, then I'm not going to do it. So it stopped around 19, I don't know, 19, maybe 62.

9:08Jessie Ware: I remember seeing a photo that said 1956. Yeah. But it was truly like an incredible buffet. It was incredible.

9:17Lennie Ware: So what would be served on the buffet? Just a barbecue every night? No, no, no. This was fine dining. Fine dining. Fine dining. Sorry.

9:26Wyatt Russell: And it was up and it's nine miles from the town of Rangeley, which was 900 people. Oh. And so it wasn't easy to get there. He helped build the airport that was nearby where you could have private-owned airplanes to go into. And then you'd get a ride to Kennebago Lake Club. That sounds funny. And this was a meal for hundreds of people.

9:53Jessie Ware: It sounded like an early version of one of those eco-lodges that now people spend lots of money to go to. but it sounded like at the time.

10:02Wyatt Russell: First fly fishing, only lake in the state of Maine. And he had real high-level people coming in there for this buffet. It took up a whole room. Wow. The buffet itself went all the way around the room.

10:16Lennie Ware: I love a buffet like that.

10:19Wyatt Russell: So when you say, what did he have? Always there was lobster. Always there was lobster. I mean, I don't remember it because it was before I really paid any attention to anything, you know, in that regard. But I know that it was world famous.

10:35Lennie Ware: And did you learn to fly because you were inspired by – you fly, don't you? Yes. Yeah, you used to.

10:41Wyatt Russell: Yes, I flew for 30 years. And I never really knew why I flew or why I started flying, but I took my certification for my medical. And the doctor asked me an interesting question. And he said, you know, why'd you get into flying? I said, I don't know. I just had this one instance where I was hunting at a guy's place. And he said, you know, you could fly over here in probably 25 minutes rather than the two and a half hours it takes you to get here. Got me to thinking about it. And I started flying. And then the medical doctor said, do you have anybody in the family who flies? I said, no. But I said my grandfather was national stunt champ.

11:17Wyatt Russell: The same man was the national stunt, what they called stunt flying then, which was aerobatics. champion for six years and he he stopped logging hours at 55 000 hours and i said i'm you know talked to buddy about all of his a lot of his flying and stuff and he said you'd be surprised how many guys i asked that question who don't know why they got into flying who had somebody

11:39Lennie Ware: in the family who flew and i just you should fly then you're my dad oh i'm all right if there's something you want to do do it well no i mean we'll talk about all your extra you know curriculum hobbies that you both have whether that's wine or cocktails and violin making and then like just being like pro sport people as well whilst also being like international superstars on the screen so you do everything um but but well now to you why family memories of food around the table and who was there?

12:11Jessie Ware: Um, you know, it's been a, it was a weird point of contention with my wife and I, uh, because we grew up not having everybody's schedules were crazy. And the, and the, my, my brother's 10 years older than me, Kate's seven, Boston six, Oliver's 10 years older than me. So everybody had different schedules and I'm the baby. And so we, we always, we would have dinner a lot around the TV. And we wouldn't have like, sit down dinner, like, here's what it is, because our schedules just didn't allow that. My wife had it very regimented, like, Carrie, your sister got the cups of milk, it was Meredith's job to do this.

12:50Jessie Ware: And that was every night. And her mom cooked every night. So what I remember is the fun of like the chaos around dinner. And And then my grandma, you know, always had a few recipes that I really remember because then my mom would make my grandma's recipes. This is your Jewish grandmother. Yes, Laura.

13:09Lennie Ware: This is who your sister, when she came on the podcast, talked about. Yeah. Brisket. Brisket. Brisket. Brisket. Yeah.

13:15Jessie Ware: Grandma's brisket was like a very distinct taste. I can't explain it at all. Good or bad. Great. Amazing. Okay. It was like, it wasn't like, it wasn't very fatty brisket. It was like, so it wasn't like fall part in your mouth brisket. It had like a texture to it. And then shepherd's pie was another big one. I thought that was an English thing. It was something that we had a lot.

13:43Wyatt Russell: You got to understand, Goldie is a hell of a cook.

13:46Jessie Ware: Yeah. I mean, she's, especially with game. Really good. And she makes a beef stew that like is unbelievable. You got some pressure on it. The other one that is American and has American in the name, American Chop. American Chop Suey. So basically, it's like a homemade hamburger helper. I don't know what you guys would have. Hamburger helper was like, you know, you do ground beef and then you put in... Curly noodles. Yeah, but hamburger helper was like in a packet. I've never heard of this. But this is like a fast bolognese, but you cut up carrots and cut up celery, peas. Tomatoes.

14:25Lennie Ware: and you mix it all in together and mix it all together and it's quick with macaroni noodles

14:29Jessie Ware: and i i never made it for buddy and buddy was hungry like a week ago and i was like i want to mix buddy's like american chop and we made it and our neighbor um our neighbor's daughter as well had it and like they were like loving the american chop and i was like yeah it's awesome it's great

14:45Lennie Ware: is it because do you think what makes it so delicious is the hamburger help is that like a

14:49Jessie Ware: sachet of like yeah so it's we don't use hamburger helper but it tastes like hamburger and what kind

14:54Lennie Ware: What kind of spices are in that?

14:55Jessie Ware: Or like garlic powder?

14:58Lennie Ware: Garlic powder.

14:59Jessie Ware: Cumin. Okay. Maybe paprika? I don't know if there's cumin in there. Paprika. No, no, no. There's not cumin. It's not cumin. I'm in the chili world. Yeah. Maybe. I think there's nutmeg in there. Okay. But it's not a lot of spices. Okay. It's very basic. The whole point is that it's like basic, basic. You need Goldie here.

15:15Lennie Ware: You do need Goldie here.

15:16Wyatt Russell: She knows her stuff. She can talk cooking with you.

15:20Lennie Ware: I mean, I think we have to put it out there. The Overboard is probably... on those loved film. I think, how many times have we watched it? I mean, like hundreds of times. We've been a bit miserable. We'd watch Overboard.

15:35Jessie Ware: Every time I turn on, we just were flipping through the TV the other day in New York, and I was like, well, there it is. Like, Overboard. Still there. Yeah, people still watch it.

15:46Lennie Ware: And you were so mean.

15:48Jessie Ware: I was so justified when she was mean.

15:52Lennie Ware: We knew you were going to fall in love, obviously, from the beginning.

15:56Wyatt Russell: That was a wonderful screenplay. And I thought it was like one of Goldie's greatest performances because she plays such different people, but within the same person.

16:06Lennie Ware: And you were a couple by then, no?

16:08Wyatt Russell: Yeah. We got together in 1983 on a picture that she was producing and starring in called Swing Shift. I got cast in that. And then we met there. And then three years later, Wyatt was born in 86. So this must have been 87. I think it was like... Late spring of 87. 11 months or something.

16:27Jessie Ware: I remember the story goes that I took my first steps on that movie. On the yachts? No, no, no. Oh. They had a trailer. They had trailers sent to each other. I've seen pictures. That's how I'm remembering in my mind. But I have a picture of mom going with her face. We have that in a photo album somewhere, but it sticks to me. It must have been my first steps or something. Oh, well, you did take your first steps on that. Yeah.

16:52Lennie Ware: Gosh, you're set from a baby. Yeah, you couldn't ever be anything but an actor. You were, though, into it.

17:00Jessie Ware: Yeah, I played professional hockey for a few years. I stopped when I was 23, 24. Ice hockey or whatever? Ice hockey.

17:10Lennie Ware: Okay, yeah. Not field hockey.

17:13Jessie Ware: Field hockey is not hockey, sorry. I know field hockey is very popular, so I don't want to offend anybody.

17:19Lennie Ware: Carry on.

17:20Jessie Ware: Ice hockey was my game. and uh yeah i played in canada and the united states which is like the top place to probably play in europe too uh yeah i'm just going by heated rivalry so i'm just going with like montreal no russia and and sweden czech republic like all of these countries they have like very vibrant hockey cultures finland sweden very like international sport at least you know scandinavianly international and but in canada it's it's a religion and so when i was 15 where you went at that time now there's more places to go but where you went at that time you really did kind of have to move to Canada to play if you wanted to further your career and I was good at it and that was what I wanted to be since I was five years old so being on the sets was not like

18:06Lennie Ware: it was fun but you were like I'm at mom and dad's work it was like the office yeah no it was fun I

18:12Jessie Ware: I mean, it was a really fun experience to drive a golf cart around and drive the actors to set and wander around a back lot.

18:22Lennie Ware: Snacks were good, I'm sure.

18:24Jessie Ware: Snacks were amazing. Cheeseburgers on demand. Amazing. It was fun. Yeah. But I didn't see the acting part and be like, I want to do that. I have no desire to be in the spotlight.

18:37Lennie Ware: How's that working out for you, what?

18:39Jessie Ware: Pretty good because it's more, honestly, the better things get, the less I have to be in the spotlight. Meaning I can just do the, I can just do the, like I don't have social media or anything. Fuck you. I just don't care about it. It wasn't for me. Because I just like doing the thing that I do. I like playing hockey and being a hockey player, but anything outside of that, it was like, I didn't care to portray myself as anything other than what I was doing. the same thing with acting where I got a lot of pressure in the beginning you know you gotta do it you gotta do it you gotta do it and every time I wouldn't it would be like I don't know I got that job I'm like I didn't seem to care you know nobody nobody really gives a fuck uh sometimes it can hurt you more than it helps and uh for me it just didn't it didn't make sense to do and meaning I I just did it the way I really felt like I wanted to do it especially after hockey you get very micromanaged by coaches and the process of that felt micromanaging so when i went into went into film uh after i got hurt it was like well i'm doing this my way or or no way what was the first job that you got uh the first job that i really got that i auditioned for i was like okay i'm gonna try this out was uh a movie called cowboys and aliens where like you blink and you miss me but I got that and I got a law and order okay well that's kind of a rite of passage oh yeah and I was pumped I was like oh my god this is awesome like you're doing a Cali movie on law

20:10Lennie Ware: and order like this is gonna be great what was your character in law and order uh I don't remember

20:15Jessie Ware: his name but he was uh in a he was in in over his head kid from like Seattle who was in a bling ring that was Lindsay Lohan's mom got robbed or something yes I remember there was a Netflix

20:28Lennie Ware: show called bling ring wasn't like yes that was that was based on you know so i was the yeah i was

20:33Jessie Ware: the prequel to the bling ring okay and uh i i steals her jewelry and i get shot and i like had to be dead for two days on the ground you know it was very it was like this hilarious you know kind of cheesy role but i was like i'm gonna make this as good as i possibly can and then i got uh this cowboys and aliens movie i could play them you know it was awesome and then two years of nothing. I was like, Oh my God, this is not going to work out for me. And then I got something else that changed my, my life. But that, that was, those are the first two things that I really worked on and tried out for and, uh, and got, and it was interesting because it, what, what made me be like, this is an amazing industry.

21:14Jessie Ware: Yeah. I didn't, I wouldn't say I fell in love with acting. You got to understand that you're looking at when you grow up and you see the other side of it yeah and you were like i was as a human being it's not everybody my sister wasn't this way you know that's why she's my sister and i'm not and uh but i didn't like what i saw i didn't enjoy some of the things that i saw i didn't like not going to well i didn't like being able to go to hockey games with my dad and and have it be like to share him the kind of all

21:46Lennie Ware: i just wanted to go to the hockey game with my dad okay you know yeah i didn't you know some of

21:50Jessie Ware: the people that I met, even at five years old, some people you'd be like, I don't know, you're, you don't feel like an honest person. I just didn't like being around it. Uh, so I didn't take to it the same, same way that people would think. So coming back around to it, uh, that, you know, it really was, uh, I'm going to do it my way. And I realized that, oh, well, as I'm getting older, uh, that I really was sort of just cutting my nose off just by my face at times, you know like well I do like this I do enjoy the creative aspect of it thank you thank you learned to be you know but I didn't I didn't start off going oh man like this is amazing like you know the work the incredible I just sort of looked at the other side of it and said well I don't know if I want to live my life like that and I've I've been able to skirt most of it now I have my own kids and we do things our own way but you know how is that for you and your kids I mean because

22:48Lennie Ware: you must have people coming up to you when you're out right or is it that people quite respectful do you think i think people are more yeah it helps yeah i do i think that people aren't cheers thanks for having us and to the success of the new monarchs legacy of monsters legacy of monsters

23:06Jessie Ware: yeah um yeah i i don't think um i do think that i do think that people know that i'm not or they don't see me every day or you know and i think that they're more respectful of coming up and I probably don't. I don't give off a vibe of like, hey, you know, I usually have a huge beard and long hair. Do you? Yeah. I thought you were quite slick. Very scientist-ly.

23:29Lennie Ware: I'm playing a part.

23:29Jessie Ware: Yeah. I'm playing a part of the acting. I'm a scientist. I like that. But yeah.

23:36Lennie Ware: Let's talk about the Apple show. You're in your second season. Congratulations.

23:40Jessie Ware: Thank you.

23:40Lennie Ware: It's high budget. Like, it looks very, I mean, there's mods. Kong's coming at you. Godzilla, fucking Raptors like it's big. But you need to explain it for a 74 year old woman I'm so glad to hear you

23:57Wyatt Russell: I've got a few weeks of being 74 myself before I turn 75 so here's to that here's to people in their 70s and you guys are not included in there yeah you wait it is big it is epic I mean, this was one of the things that Wyatt and I looked at before we joined in the process of making the show in the first year.

24:25Wyatt Russell: Neither one of us really sparked the idea of the movies. They sort of, they have their own niche and they are what they are. But we looked at it and said, you know, what about that? But then we read and heard what they wanted, spoke with them, what they wanted to do. And we felt that in that regard, we could bring something to that show that would be very strong. And that was to play the same character in something that grounded it in relatable human aspects. These are real people having to deal with a real situation, which is a simple sci-fi idea of what if this really happened? It wasn't just a monster MMA fight that these people are having to deal with this.

25:08Lennie Ware: What's an MAA fight? It's like

25:10Jessie Ware: Like boxing and kickboxing Karate

25:14Lennie Ware: On a very large level What does MAA stand for then?

25:19Jessie Ware: Mixed martial arts

25:22Lennie Ware: Do you do that in your spare time too?

25:24Wyatt Russell: God not I used to take karate Of course you did

25:29Lennie Ware: So you were good with that big spider

25:33Wyatt Russell: My dad did a movie called Tarantula No when it comes to big spiders that's his world in Australia oh god so we were in Australia real spiders oh yeah

25:43Jessie Ware: we were so oh my god such a wuss when it comes to spiders and snakes I do not like them but join him on that yeah we together share some sort of DNA past thing that links us to spiders are bad snakes are bad and my son we were sleeping in bed and my son wakes up and And I'm kind of waking up too. And my son just looks up. And he's four at the time. And he goes, wow, it's a really big spider. And I was like, what? And he's like, it's a really big spider. And I look over. And there's a spider the size of my head. Oh, no. Oh, my God. Just sitting on the wall. And I was like, whoa, that is a big spider.

26:25Lennie Ware: And you're trying to be calm for your kids so they don't inherit the genetic.

26:29Jessie Ware: No, but except I'm like, dude, we got to figure this out. And he's like, no, it's fine. and I was like what do you mean it's fun and then that night it didn't move that was the other thing it just stood there all day you didn't get someone to take it out

26:42Lennie Ware: the spider's bigger

26:43Jessie Ware: than my hand

26:43Lennie Ware: why didn't you get someone to take it out

26:45Jessie Ware: there's no point

26:46Wyatt Russell: it is you'd be back the next day

26:48Jessie Ware: how did we get in so I got in through the cracks I don't know apparently they can make themselves real flat I got a bowl and like a stick and like tied the stick that's how big it was you had to get a bowl it wasn't a cup like this wouldn't fit over the spider you had to get something like bigger than this I'd move room. So I did.

27:06Lennie Ware: Okay.

27:07Jessie Ware: I was like, buddy, that night, the spider was still there and had moved to another wall. And I was like, bud, we're not sleeping in this bedroom tonight. And he's like, no, I want to sleep in this bed. And I'm like, we're sleeping downstairs. This isn't going to work. And he's like, you can sleep downstairs. And I was like, so you're going to sleep up here alone with the spider? And he was like, yeah. He's like, he won't. He's not going to do anything. The spider's not going to do anything. and I was like, how do you know? I was like, what if it crawls over your head in the middle of the night?

27:37Jessie Ware: And he was like, eh, it's not good.

27:38Lennie Ware: He's sounding like the adult in this situation. A hundred percent.

27:41Jessie Ware: So then we fall asleep and when he fell asleep, I picked him up. And I was like, fuck that. We're not sleeping in this room, dude. I don't care what you say.

27:53Lennie Ware: Did you identify the species of this species? Was it huntsman? Yes. They're killers.

27:59Jessie Ware: Way to go. No, that's the killer one that you don't want. Or dessert! No, no, no, no. So huntsmen actually are not as poisonous as people think. Why are they called huntsmen then? Because they hunt bugs. They're very good bug eaters. And they're actually very good to have in the house. I learned all of this afterwards. Not little children eaters. They're not little child eaters. There are those two.

28:21Lennie Ware: We all watched Arachnophobia when we were younger, didn't we? And it fucked us all up.

28:25Jessie Ware: Arachnophobia.

28:25Wyatt Russell: Do you remember that? No, no, but I woke up this morning. I had this crazy dream. I won't go into it, but it was hysterically funny.

28:31Lennie Ware: Oh, that's good.

28:31Wyatt Russell: And in the dream, I was trying to get the word arachnophobia.

28:35Lennie Ware: You're welcome, Kurt. There you go.

28:37Wyatt Russell: Thank you very much.

28:41Jessie Ware: Amazing. Great.

28:43Lennie Ware: So you'd be good on this film, Fighting the Spiders. Yeah.

28:47Jessie Ware: Well, unfortunately, I don't think I meet any spiders, but yeah.

28:52Lennie Ware: You never do any scenes together, obviously, right? Because you're in different times. You're in the 50s, post-war, and you're kind of 2015, 16. so never were you in scenes together but you were both playing the same part did you go back because you were living together I believe whilst you were filming in the second season we lived together

29:11Jessie Ware: talk to him about what his choice of meal was in Australia what was your choice of meal in Australia this is you know

29:22Wyatt Russell: when you live with Goldie you eat well really well

29:26Lennie Ware: she's just the dream woman she's fantastic

29:28Wyatt Russell: she's a great great well she's my favorite human being that i ever knew and when you go away and you're gonna go you know kind of live the bachelor life you live the bachelor life which means you go to the store you get about 50 of those ready to ready to cook ready to you know just put them in the oven things uh put them in the microwave yeah it's ready to make and and they're i don't But this is the best thing.

29:54Jessie Ware: Usually your agent comes into town.

29:56Lennie Ware: Yeah.

29:57Jessie Ware: And they're like, what restaurant do you want to go to? Yeah. Where, like, how much money can I spend on you, basically? Because the agency's paying for it.

30:07Lennie Ware: And, like, Australia's great for food, too.

30:09Jessie Ware: Well, where we were was good. I don't want to put it down. It had some good restaurants. But it wasn't a plethora of amazing restaurants, right? So our agent, we share the same agent who walks up to the apartment. and he's like, where do you guys want to go? And we both didn't really want to go out. And so we're like, oh, we'll just stay here. And he's like, okay. He's like, would you want to order food? And he's like, nah, I got these ready-to-eat meals. So myself, my dad, and my agent all had like, one was like spaghetti bolognese in a film. And we were like, my agent was like, this is the craziest meal I've ever had with a client.

30:47Jessie Ware: That's funny. I've never heard this story. I never even thought about it.

30:50Wyatt Russell: And it's like, when I'm on my own, it's just whatever, you know, peanut butter and jelly. It's where we're going to go.

30:56Jessie Ware: He's the simplest, easiest. As we said, we're the cheapest date in town. And you said that last night. It's true. Like, it's as simple and easy as you can keep it. It's better for everybody.

31:07Lennie Ware: But when you get home, what are you asking Goldie to cook? And what are you asking? Can Meredith cook?

31:12Jessie Ware: Meredith is an unbelievable chef. She follows all the, you know, Otolenghi. Otolenghi, yeah. Allison Roman is a huge. We love Allison. Yeah, she's amazing. They like have a relationship on Instagram. You know, Meredith is like, well, she'll do the thing where on a Sunday she will take out all of her cookbooks. The kitchen looks like a bomb has went off. That is her hat. I just walk by it and be like, there it is. It looks awesome. It's going to be amazing. And she'll cook new amazing things. Like, she's unbelievable. Amazing.

31:46Lennie Ware: this so prawns with also this looks very very very good so what would you be asking goldie to cook

31:54Wyatt Russell: uh i never asked her to you know it's like she just does it when she you know she she used to cook all meals i mean all meals the kids the grandkids everybody loves it when goldie cooks because she's thank you goldie's really interesting she she has this strange ability well I guess for you guys it's not strange she can go into the cupboard

32:16Lennie Ware: that's garlic mayonnaise

32:17Wyatt Russell: and whatever she finds in there and whatever was in the freezer she can just make she just makes a meal and it's a meal it's just crazy but like I said she's a great game chef

32:31Lennie Ware: I like to hunt

32:34Wyatt Russell: and especially like elk and deer but I also used to hunt birds a lot different birds right and whatever I'd go bird hunting and come back. Like for instance, she makes a fabulous pheasant stew. It's home cooking but it's really good. I mean, it's just excellent. She knows what she's doing. She knows what spices to use and she knows where she wants to go with it and she can figure anything out and she just whips it up. What the fuck about this for a minute? This is so good. Is it nice? really nice what's going on here

33:13Lennie Ware: so it's also pasta with sun-dried tomatoes and some chili some paprika and just prawns the aioli is really nice with that yeah I think it is good

33:28Lennie Ware: are we talking about wine now

33:30Wyatt Russell: can we go to gogi we can finish up with some lake hour talk

33:35Lennie Ware: I think it's time to talk a little wine Cheers, let's talk about wine.

33:39Wyatt Russell: Fine wine. Wine's all about pairing. I don't really care for wine alone.

33:44Lennie Ware: Oh, don't you?

33:45Wyatt Russell: I mean, you can drink it alone and all that, but for me, it's all about with food.

33:49Lennie Ware: It's one of my strong points, drinking wine on its own.

33:52Wyatt Russell: I mean, listen, when you fall in love with wine, you're going to do that, but I'd rather have this with this.

33:59Lennie Ware: But you wanted to really learn the craft of making wine.

34:03Wyatt Russell: I was in a situation where I... I, Fess Parker, Daniel Boone, I'd done a few Daniel Boones when I was young, and he and my mom remained friends with Fess. He went into wine, and years later, we went up there to see him at his vineyard. And it was just so appealing.

34:26Wyatt Russell: And all of a sudden, after a couple of bicycle trips, I nearly choked myself right there today. That would have been great. Did anybody die on this show?

34:37Lennie Ware: I would have gone behind it. It was going so well.

34:42Wyatt Russell: And we went on these bicycle trips, Goldie and I, because sometimes went and she said one year, where do you want to go this year? I said, I'd kind of like to go back to that Burgundy area. And she said, why? And I said, I just think it's really pretty and it's really nice. I'd like to go back there. She said, I think you like the wine. And I said, yeah, you're right. I do like the wine there. So we did go back. And I really did start getting focused on this wine.

35:11Kurt Russell: Uh-huh.

35:13Wyatt Russell: And it just happened to me. I just said, man, it'd be fun to make that. It'd be fun to know how to do that.

35:18Lennie Ware: Crikey.

35:19Wyatt Russell: And I wonder if there's any way to learn that. Well, years later, the opportunity did arise. And I was doing a picture, a Tarantino picture, and we were in the Santa Ynez slash Santa Rita Hills area. of Central California.

35:35Lennie Ware: Okay, right.

35:36Wyatt Russell: About two and a half hours north of LA, 45 minutes north of Santa Barbara.

35:41Lennie Ware: Okay. And when I wasn't working, I would go wine tasting.

35:47Wyatt Russell: And I noticed something, and Pinot Noir was my thing. I loved this Pinot. I learned that. I didn't know what Pinot Noir was. I didn't know red from blue. And I started to kind of notice something about the wines in the area. It reminded me a little bit of what we did in France. And then I was introduced to some people. Peter and Rebecca work at Amplos Vineyards. And they had their vineyard there through another friend. I met them. And I had expressed to this friend that I'd love to learn to make that wine night that I like so much in France. And after meeting them, they gave me the opportunity to create what wasn't really being done much in California, which is the California Pinot Grape.

36:43Wyatt Russell: It's just fuller in terms of its taste, in terms of what it can give you, than the Pinot Grape in France.

36:55Lennie Ware: Why do you think that is?

36:56Wyatt Russell: It's weather.

36:57Lennie Ware: Yeah.

36:59Wyatt Russell: And probably terroir, but weather. The terroir is not that different, but the weather pattern is. And anyway, they mentored me. And I was at a time in my life, working-wise, where I just honestly didn't care about working that much. And I wanted to learn something new. And I got into that for about four years. I spent a lot of time up there. And learned how to make the Burgundian style. I find that's the only wine I really do enjoy without a meal.

37:24Lennie Ware: And is the color still quite light on yours? You can see through it.

37:27Wyatt Russell: No, it's, it's a, it has a, it's again, it's not as, it's not as dark as the California Pinots generally are. It's, it has a nice tint to it around the edge, right? Around this edge. But it's a beautiful, nice medium purple color.

37:49Lennie Ware: Yeah.

37:49Wyatt Russell: The most important thing with Pinot Noir for me is that your nose matches your taste buds.

37:57Lennie Ware: Okay.

37:57Wyatt Russell: Do you drink anything but Pinot? Not really. Not really. Do you do a white Burgundy?

38:02Jessie Ware: I love white Burgundy.

38:03Wyatt Russell: Me too. I love white Burgundy. I make Goldie. I make, okay, my Pinots each year are named as Gogie Wine is the name of my brand. Yeah. That's an old nickname of mine. Yeah. All, every year it's named after a different family member all the way back through my sister's families and everything. So they all had nicknames. So they, each year that changes. But the Chardonnay is always called Goldie.

38:29Lennie Ware: Of course.

38:30Wyatt Russell: And it's like, I make that Chardonnay to match her essence. Essence, thank you.

38:40Lennie Ware: My God. Wyatt, when you met your wife, you must have had to be like, wow, I've got like, she has to live up to a lot because my mom and dad have got like. The best relationship. See, it must have.

38:51Jessie Ware: No, no. No, I'm not like that. No, when we met.

38:57Lennie Ware: How did you meet?

38:58Jessie Ware: We were doing a movie together. Okay. We were raised always like our house, as much as people probably were like, well, it's perfect. Like it's just like every other family, but we deal with just anything that comes our way has always just been dealt with, I think, head on and in a realistic way. Like you face the reality of the situations. That's what's kept us together and strong and all those things. And so when I met my wife, I never had an expectation of anybody that I was ever with to be like my mom.

39:29Lennie Ware: It's a bit Oedipal, isn't it?

39:30Jessie Ware: Yeah. No, my mom was always, you know, extremely independent, is obviously an extremely independent person. But family comes first. Even, you know, she would have the ability to balance those things. An incredible ability to balance those things. And that can be very difficult. as I know with my wife can you know she Meredith loves being a mom more than anything on planet earth there's nothing more important and we make sure that our kids know that work is second to the kids now there's some times where you have to sacrifice a little bit and push pull here and the other one's got to pick one up but they were always a really good team independently of each other meaning this person needed to do this thing they went and did it this person needed to do this thing, they went and did it.

40:17Jessie Ware: And, you know, they supported each other in their like, in their things that I really need to do this. He was wanting to fly airplanes. And that's dangerous thing. She supported him, he went off and did it. My mom still travels the world and does speaking engagements and does her incredible foundation that she's had for 25 years, you know, so the independence of the person that I was with was very important. And Meredith has that she's has this ability to be the world's greatest mom. It's all she wants to do, but also this very independent streak of wanting to be herself, not lose herself to other things, whether it be work, lose yourself to your family.

40:55Jessie Ware: You can lose yourself to lots of things. She goes, that's really the only thing I really cared about in a partner. Because I knew that when you have that kind of thing and then you can be good teammates, you got a good shot. So that's really, I think, what my mom, my sister, are they're strong women and they do things the way they do them but you know family is that's for me it's all that matters at the end of the day really

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42:40Lennie Ware: Mum, Mum, what have you got here? I don't know what this is. So it's New York Times, and it's a chocolate and whiskey cake. Ooh. Ooh, you see? You're excited. Ooh, that's going to work. But you haven't made it before, but it looks kind of like a tiramisu, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. But it isn't. Ooh, it's got like a caramel. It's got caramel on the top. That's right.

42:59Wyatt Russell: I don't have my glasses on, but that looked like tiramisu kind of. Yeah, but it isn't. Are you like a baker, or do you just...

43:05Lennie Ware: I'm not anything really, darling. No, she's a great cook. Katie loves to bake.

43:08Wyatt Russell: Did you guys talk baking with Katie?

43:10Lennie Ware: We did talk baking.

43:10Wyatt Russell: She really likes, she loves to bake.

43:13Jessie Ware: She's an unbelievable baker. She's a good baker. Oliver won. Oh, wait a minute. Excuse me. Yeah. We have a champ. By the way, the best chef in our family. Oliver. Oliver. Okay. Oliver.

43:23Wyatt Russell: He's an outdoor cooking genius. He's like.

43:25Lennie Ware: He's inherited your brother.

43:27Wyatt Russell: Well, he didn't inherit it because he didn't come from me. Okay. He came from Goli and Phil. Do you want ice cream or fresh cream? That guy's good. I don't know. Fresh cream. He's like, I wish he'd opened all of us.

43:37Lennie Ware: Really?

43:38Jessie Ware: Oh no, he's that good He had a tomahawk steak That was given to him by a company And he was like, I'm cooking this tonight You guys want to come over and eat it And we were like, yeah I swear to God, to this day I swear on my life That it was the best steak I've ever had in my life And when it comes to Smashburger

43:58Wyatt Russell: He owns the steak Big or little? Little I'll go ahead and be Yeah, a little, yeah. Half of it, yeah. No, Oliver has talent.

44:13Lennie Ware: So listen, we ask everybody their last supper, and you do not have to combine, but if you're going on a desert island for a very, very, very long time, what would be your starter, your main, your dessert, and your drink of choice? I know what your drink of choice is, both of them, and we need to talk about Lake Hour in a minute.

44:29Wyatt Russell: Burrata.

44:30Lennie Ware: Burrata, okay.

44:31Wyatt Russell: I was going to say, are you thinking, or do you know? I kind of know, because I just had this conversation with Buddy.

44:36Jessie Ware: But with a burrata? With your five-year-old. Four-year-old, five-year-old. Yeah, five-year-old. I was like, bud, you know, Desert Island, what do you want? Okay. He wanted me to hamburger. I would go burrata.

44:48Lennie Ware: Yeah.

44:49Jessie Ware: I'd go bolognese. Like a really good bolognese. We're not going the, what do you call it, the American chop? American, no, I can't do that forever. Okay. But I could do, it's always, I mean, a cheeseburger. It's tough to go. but I think I go bolognese you can just taste

45:08Lennie Ware: the whiskey it's just cocoa but it's bouncy mum it's milk and whiskey okay so we got bolognese burrata drink of choice

45:15Jessie Ware: a drink of choice would be iced tea unsweetened iced tea it's like gives me a little pick me up it's got a taste

45:22Lennie Ware: you can't really get it here a little hydrating

45:24Jessie Ware: you can't get iced tea here

45:26Lennie Ware: I don't feel like it's such a thing as like in America

45:28Jessie Ware: that's insane it's never hot here

45:30Lennie Ware: it'll taste like shit it's never really that hot that you need

45:33Jessie Ware: an iced tea I do like an Arnold Palmer Arnold Palmer's a good. Yeah. On the right day. Yes. That would be another. I mean, we're on Desert Island.

45:40Lennie Ware: Yeah.

45:41Jessie Ware: So I see your, Arnold Palmer's a good one. I might switch Arnold Palmer. But it's your, is this, you first started off with Last Supper.

45:50Lennie Ware: Yeah. Yeah. Is it Desert Island? No, it's Last Supper.

45:53Wyatt Russell: Is it Desert Manners or are we on Death Row?

45:56Lennie Ware: I mean, so we used to call it Death Row Mill and then people got really offended. No, no.

46:01Wyatt Russell: That's what it is.

46:02Lennie Ware: Last Supper before you go to, okay, you're going to Death Row.

46:05Jessie Ware: And then pudding, what do you go?

46:07Lennie Ware: It's different. Is it different?

46:09Jessie Ware: Yeah, because I have to, yeah.

46:10Lennie Ware: Oh, okay. Well, if it's your last meal, then I would definitely do burrata. Yeah, okay.

46:17Jessie Ware: I would do, and I would do an amazingly, honestly, the steak my brother cooked. If I could bring that back that day, I would have that. And then a drink, I'd still stick with Arnold Palmer.

46:30Lennie Ware: Okay. No. Hold on, before we go, and then put it in a dessert.

46:35Jessie Ware: And for dessert, I have a milkshake, chocolate milkshake.

46:37Lennie Ware: Yum, where from? Homemade or a place?

46:42Jessie Ware: No, I'd have it from like a true diner, like a 50s diner milkshake. Malt?

46:49Lennie Ware: Is malt going to be in there?

46:50Jessie Ware: No malt.

46:51Lennie Ware: Okay.

46:52Jessie Ware: Just straight up milkshake. Okay.

46:55Lennie Ware: Maltless. And before we go on to Kurt's, let's talk about Lake Hour. It's a sparkling cocktail drink.

47:03Jessie Ware: Lake Hour. Lake Hour is good. What cocktails do you do? We do, so we have vodka iced teas. Oh. Which are blackberry, blueberry, green tea.

47:14Lennie Ware: Kind of Long Island iced tea kind of thing.

47:15Jessie Ware: Yeah, but the whole point, I don't know how big they are here in the UK. What? Pre-mixed drinks. Oh, they're massive. Okay, so we have the iced teas and then we have a seltzer version, which is a low carbonated it's not like super carbonated we have a watermelon flavor we have a yuzu flavor we have a peach flavor and a new one passion fruit tangerine they're they're they're

47:38Lennie Ware: really really really good like la croix is very big in america yes everyone has it in their fridge yes like so that with a bit of booze in sounds kind of fab it's honestly that's exactly sort

47:48Jessie Ware: what it's like.

47:50Lennie Ware: Now to your last supper, Kurt.

47:53Wyatt Russell: Okay. I'm going to have a bowl of asparagus soup from Munich, Germany. There's the restaurant. Can't remember the name of it. Couldn't find it the last two times I was there.

48:04Lennie Ware: Oh, that's so annoying.

48:05Wyatt Russell: Panicking because I can't find it. But it was like half air, half mist.

48:13Lennie Ware: Was it like a velouté? Was it kind of...

48:15Wyatt Russell: In that zone. So Goldie and I had this. and we said this is the best bowl of soup I've ever had. And then definitely elk tenderloin with corn on the cob or shaved off, lots of butter.

48:32Lennie Ware: Baked potato with everything on it. Okay. What's everything on it? Come on, just get me. You know, sour cream.

48:39Wyatt Russell: First, butter first. Chives, sour cream, salt and pepper. No salt, just pepper. You know what's great about sour? I've baked potatoes. You can put cream corn on them, and they're like, uh-huh. That's great. Everything's good. Everything you can't miss, right? So that. You know, probably if I have a green in there, it's going to be maybe roasted Brussels sprouts maybe, just done just right with, again, a lot of butter. And then for dessert, I'm going to have a really, a chocolate caramel strawberry sundae. very specific with cream on top with oh and I guess sorry I'm going to have with the meal yeah to start with I'm going to have probably one of the Grand Cru whites and then for the meal I'm going to have a Pinot Noir a Riche Borg oh I'm going to have it's either La Tache or Riche Borg but on my death on my death row thing I'm going to have a Riche Borg

49:44Lennie Ware: what is it what is it

49:45Wyatt Russell: Riche Borg is is Grand Cru it's my favorite pinot okay uh it's my favorite no i thought there was one pinot i didn't know

49:53Jessie Ware: there was a whole lot of pinots oh yeah when you asked him what his favorite meal was all i heard in my head was my brother because we he goes hunting and he takes that takes an elk like that'll it's oliver yeah like that well he would go hunting oliver made the joke and and you fill your fridge for the year uh sometimes seven you know you've got elk from 2013 in there. And Ollie, one day it was Matt and Luke and Ollie and I and it was like on the chairlift going over skiing. And it's like what did you have for breakfast? Go get cooked breakfast. What did you have for breakfast? He was like oh we had elk heart and eggs.

50:33Jessie Ware: And then it was like what did you have for dinner? And it was like oh we had we did an elk tenderloin for dinner. I was like what did you have for lunch? It was like elk steak sandwiches and Ollie goes what did you have for dinner? elk ice cream I was like there's a world where you only have elk at your last at your final that's the finest meat on her

50:56Lennie Ware: do you have like a condiment with that would you have like lingonberries

51:00Wyatt Russell: lingonberries and all that stuff I think it's sacrilege

51:03Lennie Ware: anything like that is sacrilege

51:07Wyatt Russell: even certain rubs are sacrilege with elk meat you just want butter in your pan, heat it up slowly, but then get it hot. You've got a nice tenderloin that's probably an inch and three quarters to two inches, right? And it's been well taken care of. That's key. It's all about how you take care of the nuts.

51:27Lennie Ware: You're not sentimental about animals then?

51:31Wyatt Russell: Well, I thank them for their service. The shrimp were good. I don't know I didn't see you're making up that you're a fucking vegan I'm not a vegan

51:44Lennie Ware: but I don't think I could do a reindeer no no by the way

51:47Wyatt Russell: there's no pleasure in the taking of life there's great pleasure and honor in taking an animal that feeds you and I respect that and honor that and it makes a big deal to me and you know I I make no apologies for what I do one of the things

52:02Jessie Ware: that I live in Colorado now you know wilderness one of the things that we've really forgot especially my children growing up you you see those things run through your backyard and you see all kinds of animals they're beautiful and they're they're majestic but then you go to the grocery store and it's like 90 percent of people are just in a pack they don't know they have no connection to food at all and so it's very nice you know we were raised with it to know like that thing that you took is going to be on your dinner table.

52:34Lennie Ware: Do you hunt as well?

52:35Jessie Ware: I've tried. You may get to it later in your life. I was always playing hockey during hunting season. We've gone bird hunting. I have gone on a hunt with him one time. Elk hunting. But I could never do it because I was always playing hockey.

52:49Wyatt Russell: Not something I push on anybody. I mean, it's not for everybody. But I like bringing down my own meat. I grew up in that family.

52:56Lennie Ware: Please could you both give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere?

53:01Wyatt Russell: Oh, a nostalgic taste. That would be easy for me.

53:05Lennie Ware: Okay.

53:06Wyatt Russell: Again, if it were venison, I'd remember when I was a kid in Maine in a log cabin. Venison. With your grandfather.

53:14Jessie Ware: Yep. A nostalgic. Oh, I know one.

53:17Lennie Ware: Come on.

53:18Jessie Ware: A very specific Canadian cookie. Oh. President's choice. That will take me right back to Muskoka Cottage, very much on the lake. like him where we'd had these jar of cookies on the counter I don't even know what kind of cookies there were I couldn't even tell you today President's Choice was the best President's Choice they sell it only in Canada and those cookies were so unbelievably good and like yes I can taste that cookie right now and I'm back in our kitchen I thought you were going to poutine or something I never had a taste for poutine me either that much the gravy and the chips everybody's so crazy about it

54:04Lennie Ware: it's very Canadian Kurt and Wyatt Russell, thank you so much for coming on, it's been so fun thank you for coming thank you Kurt Russell and Wyatt Russell. What a duo. Still a heartthrob dress. God, they're so lovely. Just adorable. I think they had a really good time. I hope so. Kurt Russell and Wyatt Russell are in the second season of Monarch, The Legacy of Monsters. And it's on Apple TV. And you can watch it now. And it's very compelling. But they are very good in it. Great. Food was really great. Was it? Yeah, they loved it. John Gregory Smith. Good old John Gregory Smith. The greatest trade book cookbook ever.

55:00Lennie Ware: It is the greatest because it's done it nearly every week. It keeps on giving. Thank you so much for watching and listening. We hope you enjoyed it as much as we did. That was a really good ep. Yeah. I loved it. Me too. I mean, you know. For a Monday lunchtime. Oh my goodness. What more would you want? Yeah, it was fabulous. So thank you.

55:28Thank you.