Loreen

0:03Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm her mum. How was Glastonbury Glastonbury was a bit like euphoria. So you enjoyed yourself? Yeah, I did. I did a lot. It's the best place on earth. Good. I had a few people come up to me in the wee hours saying I love Lenny. And I said it's not about her this weekend. Thank you. What else? I stayed at the Pig. Yeah. Because I'm a princess. Yeah. And I like the finer things. I like to watch the Arctic Monkeys in a roll top bath. Did you like the Arctic Monkeys? I did enjoy the Arctic Monkeys. I thought they were great. I don't know why they were so criticised, actually.

0:40I think Alex Turner's an absolute pro. The poor guy had no voice on Monday and he went and rocked it out on the Friday. Yeah, and they still want him to talk about singing, fighting in a chip shop when he's nearly 40. What do they want from the bloke? He's R Scott Walker, isn't he? I love his voice. He's a crooner. He's a crooner. Anyway, he's amazing. I think the Monkees are amazing. Who else was your favourite? Elton. Barrington Levy was amazing. elton elton was unbelievable yeah and i just the people in front we didn't speak too much apart from the guy had a fabulous fan that said see you next tuesday um and it was just fabulous but there was this group of um friends in front of us and they just had it right they had snacks they were so sweet and they were like these lovely gentlemen that were handing around like snacks for each other because we were there for a long time before elton came on to get our spot and they just looked like they were having a gorgeous time what else did i see gabriel's was amazing really fab celeste came out for that um oh rick astley one of our podcast guests and blossoms also podcast yes when you perform again can you get security to do the dance in front of you like they did for rick astley what did they do didn't you see them the whole line of security in blue amazing said never give you up never going to make you cry and then twirl around or desert you I mean Rick Astley he's really got them going but Blossoms and Rick Astley were they fab both old table manners guests we love them my manager Peter was like you've got to go and see this show they did it was announced in the morning or the Smiths the Smiths it was such a good atmosphere I just annoyingly needed a wee so badly that I had to leave after five songs but it was so fabulous and just how freaking cool of Blossoms who are an amazing band just to stand aside Rick Astley take it they were just it was cool love them I quite like to go and see Rick Astley he's got a great voice who I felt very like all our podcast guests that we've had over the years Rina I didn't see I saw her with Elton I wished I'd seen her I love Rina and it looked like she absolutely smacked her show and then she did so well with Elton.

3:02Love her. Had a really good going curry there. Had a very good mac and cheese during Loyal Karner, another friend of the podcast. He was fantastic. Was he? Amazing. Should we talk about our guest tonight? Yes, we should. Also amazing. Very amazing. Kind of a big deal. Kind of a big deal. Every gay man I've told that we have this person on is thrilled. Yeah. Even your brother. Even my brother who doesn't get excited about anything. Yeah. We have Laureen. Two-time winning Eurovision. Yeah. And adored. Adored. Adored. Is she huge in Sweden then? She's massive. Yeah. She probably knows that boyfriend I had, that Swedish one that I tell everyone about.

3:45Literally, Bjorn Schiff. Yeah. Yeah, like tattooed on my brain. He's huge, Jessie. Obviously, Eurovision was in Liverpool this year. It was amazing. Tully, who is here. got tickets tully come on the mic i don't think people understand how hard it is to get a year it's like a glastonbury ticket it may be harder unbelievable was it hard to get eurovision or peter k tickets to be fair they were both pretty hard yeah eurovision we managed to get all three shows as well which is but you didn't you didn't get finals did you yeah okay so that is like yeah that's like crazy oh yeah unbelievable okay so millions and millions of people explain to people Now, I believe we're going to be getting all the Eurovision fans that are listening.

4:30But for people that don't understand the importance of Eurovision, but also the stages one has to go through, there are like rounds. It is a competition. It's not like just a televised sing-along. It is a competition. So which rounds did you go to, Tully? We were at the two semifinals and then the grand final. But for someone like Lorene, so she's come from Sweden, where they have their own competition in Sweden, which she goes through weeks and weeks of competition to even then compete in Eurovision. Because they take it so seriously. Well, it was a no-brainer. She won it once before. Sweden and Ireland are both up there as the top winning, most wins, six times each, I think.

5:14Lorene is the only woman to have won it twice. She won it with Tattoo this year, and she won it with Euphoria back in 2012. she is loved by the lgbtq plus community she did mighty hoopla they announced it late in the day and people lost their shit what i love about lorraine and the swedes they take eurovision so seriously and then we have like noel gallagher who comes on and disrespects it to be quite frank on the podcast she was even in the film the eurovision oh she was the will ferrell film is very important as well to watch just to kind of also understand the rounds but we've got lorraine she's still riding high from her win and she is very loved in this country and obviously it's gonna be all over i hope it i hope she likes what i've made because it's not a smorgasbord so what have you made well i've done a nigella i just saw nigella saying whenever I've been away whenever I've done anything I make this and everyone loves it and it's just lemon chicken with also in a pot and it's one pot one pot it's it's warming yeah and it's got well I hope it's not too hot but I've done it just with a salad have you got any herb in it there's tarragon in can you smell it yum yum my favorite as I've said before very important the most underrated herb that and dill and there's a lot of garlic so i hope she's not kissing anyone later i'll find out um so we're doing that and then you're having it with the salad just with the salad just simple but i've put french beans in the salad and a spare fresh asparagus delicious some radishes and then i've done allison roman's ricotta and raspberry cake with fresh raspberries another friend of the podcast allison yeah the last thing we made from allison didn't really work, let's be honest.

7:08It was the paprika chicken. It was my lime and paprika. Who was that for? And it was dry. Marina Hyde. Oh yeah. She was very good at that. Yeah, she was good at that. This is from Sweet Enough. Yeah. Amazing. Laureen coming up on Table Manners.

7:31Cheers. What do you say in Swedish? Skål. Skål. Skål. That's good. Laureen, you've walked in. You've got the nails on. I don't know how you're going to eat, babe. I know. Am I going to have to feed you? You have to. These are just like stick-ons, man. Of course. Like I couldn't, you know, there are things I can do with these nails. Do you choose different designs? Like what, Laureen? Please tell me what you can do with those nails. Are you selling these now? Marketing the Laureen nails? You think I should? Yeah. That's a great idea. You should. Are you mad? Of course you should. Yeah. Management, write it down.

8:07Write it down, management. But those are particularly pretty, aren't they? Yeah, but this is an artist shell. I have different ones. I have ones with stones in them. I have one that is denim. I have ones that are pink. What did you wear for the Eurovision? Oh, those were 3D and they had smoke stone. Yeah, because it was all about nature, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. So they had healing stones on them. Do you think that's what won it for you, babe? A bit of amethyst. oh they'd be good yeah it's kept you calm on stage yeah well you know i think you won it for yourself i don't think that it was it was it could have been the stars are you quite a spiritual person a very spiritual person i yeah yeah i think so did i mean i'm just gonna jump straight into it we need to say muzzle tov score a list score um you're a two-time eurovision winner and you are so beloved like people people adore you the uk adore you oh but the whole of europe i mean we everyone loves but we do really love you oh and how has the last month been for you oh it's been like it's been beautifully intense yeah yeah i mean of course intense i've been traveling around yeah meeting beautiful people yeah but at the same time you know some people ask me they're like how are you feeling aren't you exhausted i'm like no i'm a bit tired but since i love hanging with people you know creativity and people that's my thing perfect yeah you so when you do what you love yeah it's a different type of tired when you're tired it's like okay i need to sleep and have something to eat but the next day i'll be all right i'm exhilarated because I do what I love and I'm having a good time yeah how did how did number two compare to number one I mean in the terms of Eurovision I'm yeah this time was more effortless really yeah it was just like I guess because I didn't really know what it was all about the first time right the first time was a lot about intuition just following your intuition that was the first time i created something that was a bit different right but i just felt like i have to believe in what i'm doing right now i have to just go with it although i feel fear so can you imagine when you when you've gone through all that you know fear and like the pain of like what if this doesn't work and you're standing there and people appreciate you just the way you are with the fringe like this and you're barefoot and there's like fake snow all these things so it was all about i think that that that moment was about universe telling me like you have to trust your intuition did you you had fear did you think you could win it the first time around both of the times i didn't really honestly think about that i blocked it out because i had to isn't that quite hard to do when you were going through all these rounds and it's already been so vigorous but in in sweden you have your i mean it's intense to get that so there's always competition or how do you block that out there are ways I mean this time like the second time I learned ways to really block it out I mean it's almost like in a way it's like lying to yourself but it's a beautiful lie like it doesn't exist there are ways you can just you can take your focus to what is really important like the creativity focusing on that focusing you know but did you have to audition for the second one?

11:40Or did you just get a free pass because you'd won it before? No, in Sweden you don't get a free pass. There's a semi-final. But you're a sure bet because you're a winner. Yeah, well you know, honey, thank you. The winner takes it all. The winner takes it all. No, it's the semi-finals in the stock of Sweden. And then if you go through that one then there's the finals. And then you, yeah. So all the steps were there. you had to but I appreciate them because they make you very focused you can't really it's funny because I guess the first time around you had kind of fear but also you didn't really know you didn't know the intensity but then you're in it you win it second time you know what that is you're also the favourite to win everyone's talking about it you were the favourite before even went on telly weren't there no no I think you were the bookies favourite I think you were yeah you were That doesn't take anything away from you.

12:39As everybody said, Graham Norton was saying, this is the one that will win. Oh, really? Before seeing the performance? Yeah, yeah. Then I guess because people know the songs, don't they? Because there's this thing that people start living with this. I remember there was the Finnish one. What was the Finnish one that had that? Cha-cha-cha, cha-cha-cha, cha-cha-cha. Like, I know that now from like whatever the quarterfinals. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I just, you've had such different experiences, as I presume, but then you're obviously cool as a cucumber. Oh, you mean cool as in zen? Yeah, I mean, did you write the song?

13:16It was written for me. Yeah. But usually when you connect with a song, you change it. It changes in the studio. There are elements that comes in and, you know, melodies that are changed, like naturally and organically. You know that. Well, and also, you know, I recently watched the Whitney Houston film. Oh, yeah. And she didn't write a lot of her stuff. She listened with Clive Davis. She'd listened to demos. And if something shouted out at her, she'd be like, yeah, that's great. She had an array of songs that she said no to. But she connected with those ones. And then she puts it and it's her song, of course.

13:57She made it her own. She not only made it her own. Yeah, I totally understand that. Now, I want to know who decided on your outfit or lack of outfit that you wore. Nothing. No, the Eurovision. She's got the most beautiful. Mum likes to do this. She likes to talk about people's bodies. She wore, it was like a leotard, really. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, did you decide you wanted to wear that? Well, everything. Because you wanted to move. Exactly. Yeah, exactly that. Exactly that. Exactly. And also, it represented certain things. you know the whole performance every detail was was a representation of something so i wanted i take us through it take us yeah i didn't want the colors or the outfits so it was a very plain it was brown was it brown yeah brownie leotard yeah and it i mean you looked amazing in it just sensational and you moved in the most amazing way that represent the brown the leotard so the whole performance is an isn't a reflection of nature it's abstract but if you look closely you have the sand because i'm laying in a bed of sand yeah if you look at the colors it's either the sunset or the sunrise the mist was there the wind was there the sweat was there the water even my nails were made out of as you said stones so i just my it's like all the elements all the elements and this is for a reason because we need to reconnect with nature sometimes we just feel tired we're like oh we're taking an energy from each other but where do we get energy from you know as human beings it's nature so i mean you maybe haven't had a chance to reconnect with nature since eurovision i don't know you've been in the uk for the whole month right no no no you've been back and forth okay and how do you reconnect with that nature where do you live where do you Oh, where do I live?

15:50Oh, I live on an island called Gotland. That's just outside of Sweden, like maybe four hours with the boat. And there are hardly any people there. Is that where you live? In one of those summer house type places? Yeah, well, you can say that. It's very remote. So it's a contrast to what I'm doing. Because, you know, it's a good question. There's no shops. Where do you go shopping? Oh, that's a good... I shop when I work, darling, and when I don't work, you know... Where do you buy your food? Well, I buy my food. She forages, mum. She dives in the ocean, picks her fish like a mermaid. Yeah. Of course, there are small shops there, but, you know, it's very small.

16:36Did you grow up? It's very simple. Did you grow up there? No, not at all. So where did you grow up? Let's talk about your growing up and what you were eating. What I was eating at that time? Oh, God. You know, I'm Moroccan. my mother's from Morocco did she make tagine she made tagine she made the soup called hirira she did the couscous tell us about the soup the hirira it's like it's basically everything in it like it's it's a tomato I don't know anything about food that you guys are asking me about food I'm seriously the worst person I can tell you what you like I don't even know what it has in it like is it maybe some is your mama cook she is but she raised a daughter that is not How did that happen?

17:20To be completely honest, we were a big family, five siblings, you know, and my mother raised us by herself. So you can imagine, like, you know, we had to take care of each other. So I think the reason why I don't cook food that very much in my grown life is because I did it a lot as a kid, you know, helping mother out, you know, cooking for the siblings, you know. What were you cooking when you were younger? What was a memorable dish that you were cooking for your siblings? I did bolognese. I had chicken. The whole chicken in the oven thing. I was really good at that. But anything. Were you the eldest?

17:59I was the eldest. Was there quite a lot of responsibility on you? Of course. As a child, you don't really think about it. You just adapt. Whenever my mother wasn't home, then it was me. Does she work? She worked a lot. What did she do? What do you call it in English? when you're not the doctor and what happens under the doctor, there's the nurse, and under there, there's... Healthcare workers. Healthcare workers. That's so important. Yeah, yeah. At the same time, she went to school. She has a very interesting story, my mother. She got me when she was 16. Yeah. So she's about 40 now or something.

18:39Yeah, when she's 50, oh God, I don't know. Sorry, Mom. But she's young. Yeah, she's young still. So she had you when she was 16. She had you when she was 16. In Stockholm? In Stockholm. But she lived in a very poor village in Morocco. So she fleed when she was 14. All by herself. It's interesting. The beauty is that you can see what women can do. Women are such a powerful species. Absolutely. I'm sorry, but we really are. So how did she get from Morocco to Sweden at 14? Yeah, well, she did. How is that possible? I don't even know. She hasn't talked about all those things, but she did. She met my father in Spain, and he lived in Sweden, and then she got to Sweden.

19:26But the funny thing, one funny thing that she told me, because she didn't have any education, she thought that the world was just Spain, France, and Germany, and that was the world. So for many years, she thought she was in Germany, but she was in Sweden until she got education. It's not far away. No. She was a real, she is a real warrior, you know. And she's, you know, so I've had a very special upbringing. The positive thing with my upbringing is because she was basically a child. There were so many rules I never learned, you know. So, you know. But she missed out. It sounds like she missed out on education.

20:06No, but she took her education. But she took her education later. She did. But you're, I mean, you speak how many languages? is well i do speak swedish english uh arabic my mother speaks french a bit french yeah i understand and my mother speaks spanish but don't ask me to speak spanish i understand but uh was it a happy childhood i mean yeah challenging challenge i mean of course tough but that was what i meant like you adapt you know it's not until you start comparing with other kids like that kid has that but because i had to grow up really fast you know i guess i also missed out on certain things i think that's why organically in my grown life there are things i don't do like or things i do that i didn't do then you know i can be very childish really no but you know no not really i'm just kidding but yeah yeah so you were cooking bolognese for your siblings but maybe your mum was going and working or studying.

21:11Your mum was cooking. Was she cooking a lot of Moroccan dishes in the house? Were you eating quite a lot of Swedish food? No, no. She was very picky with the food. Really? Yeah. It had to be healthy food and homemade. So it was tagine and it was like, you know. So it was more Moroccan than Swedish? It was more Moroccan than Swedish. The Swedish food came later when my stepfather came into the house, you know. Then it was, as they say in Swedish, farliquor that's like a big sausage with with the macaronis and stuff like that that unhealthy food now you you have a very special because we had um meatballs no not just no not meatballs we love a meatball especially ikea ones but no um didn't bjorn tell us that you have a very special christmas meal that's very very interesting is christmas big in your family if it's big yeah did you did you celebrate it we did we did i mean not all the traditions of course it wasn't like jesus christ no just the food i'm thinking about in the presents yeah did you celebrate on the christmas eve we did yeah everyone does and what was the food that you were eating well it changed i mean in the beginning there was a lot of moroccan food we were very disappointed everybody else got like meatballs we're like mom come on man can we just get maybe a meatball a meatball like maybe some ham no but when my stepfather came in he came with that knowledge because it was all about like knowing what the foods were can he cook oh yeah yeah i mean he's not as good as my mom but it works it works are you close to him yeah the funny thing with him is like because my mother she was such a fighter you know it was all about surviving yeah back yeah and so when my stepfather came in he had a different upbringing so he was very soft so they balanced each other up very good so basically he came in and taught us about showing love to each other we were very like you know not hard but we were very like fighters that fighting type of energy surviving how old were you when he came into your life I think I was maybe nine or ten.

23:27But it took a while to adapt to that because, you know. You've been on your own. Yeah, so I try to kick him out many times, you know. You're a teen. Yeah. Did they both come to watch your performance? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. They come to every performance. Yeah. Jessie doesn't let me. Oh, that is such a lie, Mum. I'm saying that I wouldn't give her a Glastonbury ticket because I've got loads of friends that would want them. And you wouldn't be able to walk around, Mum. it's very hard flown in darling oh my god yeah she thinks she's shirley massey well that's good though so so so you grew up um cooking and for your siblings and kind of rejecting cooking when you kind of so i mean now you you don't cook that much no because i've done it so much you know i can taste it i can be like okay do you do you enjoy eating out i do i do i i enjoy you know i'm not a party chick i'm the one the person that enjoys sitting with friends or family having a glass of wine yeah speaking about things that matter like you know listening to music that's soft type but that's me so if we were going to come around we were going to get the boat yeah we're staying for the night oh yeah what are you what are you ordering in or what who are you getting to cook for us i would probably get somebody to cook for us and i would probably uh it depends on what time of the year but if it's this time of the year what would i cook for you i would probably put on the grill okay but not you know what do you call that type of grill where you have the whole i'm sorry i'm like you usually i'm a vegetarian but you know when you have the whole lamb like you know oh like oh no yeah like it's lamb on the spit yeah lamb on the spit just out outside really smoky like that for a vegetarian that's quite an interesting yeah no not for a Vegetarians.

25:11No, but I love that you say I'm usually a vegetarian, but I'm giving you the lamb on a spit. Yeah, but if you guys are coming, you would probably want that because this is a dish. So I'm slightly worried because we're about to give you chicken, but do you not eat chicken? I do eat chicken. I was told you I ate chicken. Okay, fine. You like protein. I like chicken. Okay, great. Fine, great. Perfect. So what, and do you have a sweet tooth? I do. What would be for pudding or dessert? Oh, dessert? Oh no, I'm not a dessert person. The sweet tooth me is like, I love candy. It's not a bad... I do. I love some stuff that the body doesn't even know what it is.

25:48Because candy, the body is like, what is this? Have you come across the Percy Pig? Percy Pig, Percy Pig. Marks and Spencer. M &S. Oh, you mean these chocolates? Small chocolates? No. They're like little jellies. Have you got them here? Oh my God. Your children have them all at the weekend. Yeah, I feel very sad for you that you've been in and out of this country quite a lot in this last month. And you haven't tried a Percy Pig, babe. Maybe I've had a Percy Pig, but I don't know. You mean these different colours? They're little piggies. All right, in different colours? No, they're just pink. Just pink.

26:20They're delicious. Like, I might have had. If not, we're going to make sure you get them soon. I'm sending some to your hotel tomorrow, babe. Okay. What's on the Lorene Ryder at Eurovision? At Eurovision? Not Percy Pigs. not yet not yet unfortunately no I would say I always have oh that's crazy because I always have lilies do you that's one of my favorite flowers I love the smell of these me too and pink or like oh flowers is one thing you just want to have some connection with nature because usually it's in a kind of boxed room that has no window oh but I changed the box my darlings I change it I rearrange it do you bring do you have a scented candle going I do have candles candles candles I asked for a rug Matt Matt is that what rock yeah a rug oh yeah what do I have more like I can't remember but it's a lot essences oh yeah but I bring sage with me myself and oh yeah yeah do you have sage in your bag right now no but I do have like needed no it's dry okay sorry and you do it and you kind of cleanse a room from bad juju okay kind of bad energies bad vibes okay we should not be able to move that buddha outside because i'm so frightened can you tell lorraine why we've got a buddha in the doll's house buddha in the doll's house because my gardeners found it behind the shed and they put in the doll's house and now i'm scared to move it in case it's bad juju if I do it.

27:56Where did you find it? Behind the shed. And you didn't put it there? No. My gardener put it there and he said... Maybe he felt like you needed to chill the fuck out, mum. He just said, well, I found it behind the shed. Who would throw their Buddha away? Yeah, who would throw a Buddha away? Yeah, maybe it's got bad energy and they've thrown it into my garden with the bad energy. No, a Buddha can't have bad energy. Buddha's kidding. No. But actually, I thought he was rather slim. Yeah, let me see. Yeah, he's like, But that's when he was younger. Apparently he didn't, you know, he was much similar when he was younger.

28:28What does a young Buddha mean? Well, I thought it was a woman, you see. I didn't think it was Buddha. But then I noticed it didn't have bosom. But it's definitely a young Buddha. Because your mum didn't buy Buddha for the garden. Definitely a young Buddha. It's so weird that you've now got a Buddha in your garden. I know, darling. At least anything I think I've ever seen in my life. But I'm scared to get rid of it. Oh, you shouldn't be, though. No, I'm not going to get rid of it. It's going to stay there for now. How did your life change after the first Eurovision win? Did you feel like it changed significantly?

29:01Oh, yeah, it did. From where I came from? Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. I didn't even watch TV at the time. I was what you would call a hippie. I don't like that word. But, you know, I was in a different space. I guess that's why Euphoria had the look that it had, maybe. Can you imagine going from this like calm and very simple life to like, and all of a sudden you're like. You've been in the Swedish Idol. Could you play an instrument or any of your family musical? No, not at all. Of course, my mother's like, oh, you got that from me. You got your talent from me. Is that in Swedish or Arabic? She says it in Arabic.

29:45Yeah. yeah you want to say you want to hear her sound to hear that exact that sounds fabulous and with the hands like i love it it's exactly how a jewish mother would say it too exactly how you would say it yeah yeah no so but i mean singing was a sanctuary for me as a child if you if you we were because we were such a big family so i didn't know or didn't think that I was going to be an artist as a child. I was not the type of kid that like, look at me, I'm so nasty. And I was the shy one, like, bye-bye. I'm going to my room to sing for hours. That's what I'm going to do. So that came much later.

30:27I mean, are we talking like 18 maybe? And that's when I entered Idols. But I didn't even know how a microphone worked at the time. So who's on the panel? Are they very famous Swedish singers? The ones in the jury? You mean the jury? No, they weren't. I don't think none of them were singers, which is pretty interesting. Sorry. It's interesting you get judged by people that don't know how to sing. No, he's not. Yeah. But I'm interested to know when you were taking yourself away from maybe the madness of, you know, helping bring up your siblings with your mum and you're going to your room, what were you singing?

31:04What was something that you kept on singing? What albums were you listening to? What was something that... At the time, you know, because we had vinyls, you know. And, I mean, we were poor. We didn't have that much. It was not like, you know, I'm going to buy my own vinyl or my CDs, like that. So whatever was at home was what we had. So I remember that it was a lot of, like, Whitney, her old stuff. And I remember that we had James Brown and all these, like, Rita Franklin, you know. And I was like, yeah. And funk. Yeah, it was a lot of soul and funk. So those were my teachers, especially Whitney.

31:40So, you know, I was a kid. I was just copying her like, oh, and I didn't sound that good. Tattoo's a big ballad though, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Do you know, when I watched you winning, I thought this woman is so super calm. She can't really be that calm. But you are. You are in real life. You're very, very chilled. I have passionate times. My God. You're making me feel relaxed. Yeah. I'm feeling completely relaxed now, Jess. Maybe that's the Prosecco off bottom Prosecco. No, I'm not really. and I'm going to open a decent bottle of wine. What would you like to drink? Would you like to drink a red, a white, a rose?

32:15A white wine. I mean, red in my family, the women's in my family, my mother told me, she's like, you don't drink red wine because red wine makes the women in this family crazy. I'm like, okay. That's usually white wine. I mean, what does my sound man, Johnny, used to call white wine lady petrol because it would make all his friends go fucking crazy. I love white wine. I like it both. like yes if you had to choose which one would you think i think in the summer i'm very much into chardonnay at the moment i love it but in the winter i maybe would go for a really cozy red but yeah yeah yeah but you have to choose one chardonnay or cozy red you have to choose one you're on a desert island this is what you're gonna drink this is my shit that i'm supposed to ask you for god's sake i think you're in a deserted island this is what you're gonna drink every if you want to of course just drink okay at the moment i would say and forgive me all the the the wine people that listen um because i don't know that much i really enjoy this chardonnay called bread and butter i love that one how good is it it really is nice delicious is that the one we drank in america or i have drunk it in america isn't it canadian is it is it canadian i don't know i just like it yeah it is really nice it's yummy organic like yeah yeah it is it is it sure um what would be your go-to desert island drink then drink i mean look listen we've jumped we've jumped ahead yeah it's one of the questions that we're gonna ask you you're going to a desert island sounds like you live on a desert island yeah yeah already um you're going somewhere yeah and you are going to have starter, appetizer main course, dessert and drink of choice drink of choice for the food, oh god because the first thing that came up to me was this cocktail which cocktail?

34:11a margarita probably do you like margaritas? I do, the spicy ones, that's my favourite do you worry about the salt around the edge? salt around the edge? yes please where is your most memorable margarita from is there somewhere that you go i had a really nice margarita where was this it was with a big like icy blah blah blah where did i have this one here in england or no i don't know wait i have to think was it somewhere in stockholm probably but it was absolutely amazing because he made it so spicy it was a mexican restaurant yeah so mexican a mexican restaurant in stockholm yeah before we go on to the desert island meal because actually i want to hear about the food in stockholm it's really good isn't it i mean it's i mean yeah it depends on what you compare it to i mean i believe that london has a lot of good places if i had to choose i probably eat in London than in Stockholm oh wow so what is going on man so oh wow we are having mum is cooked oh wow it is mum you say it's lemon chicken with tarragon great also pasta yeah see what I mean like you know rice yeah and And then we've just got quite a kind of zesty sound.

35:52This is really, this is delicious. Really good. Really good. Will you have a bit more? I will most definitely. Lorraine, I want to ask you about your desert island. We talked a bit before we were talking about Stockholm. Shall I get some dessert going? Yes, please. Desert island. Oh, your mother's beautiful. We started with the margarita. a spicy margarita from this place in stockholm that you can't remember yeah it was a mexican restaurant that's that's okay yeah yeah what's the name yeah okay okay we'll find it maybe um starter what are we going for for a starter oh you know honestly like i love starters i usually sometimes i just oh my god sometimes i just take three starters to to like a main course because it's almost like they put more energy in you know and quite exciting yeah yeah but okay if i had to Choose one starter.

36:40You can have three. Can I have three? Of course you can. All right. You're an arena. Oh, all right. I would probably go for maybe a burrata, but a small one. Okay. I love that you're thinking about the... Fine, we're going for a small burrata. Yeah, because otherwise I'm full by the end of it. Okay. Yeah, and then maybe I would want... What would the burrata have with it? Is there any... Tomato? No, yeah, not tomatoes. Like, honestly, I would like it to be just the burrata, olive oil and some salt and maybe some walnuts and something sweet. Yeah. Okay. And maybe a carpaccio. Carpaccio. Love that.

37:22Yeah. That's what I can come up with now. Fine. Yeah. So we've got that. So we're going in quite an Italian. Yeah, it feels like that, which is weird. Is there going to be any Swedish or Moroccan influence into this? Not to the dessert. Not to the island. Oh, you mean like if I was stranded on an island? No, but like if you were going to not be able to eat, would you be having your mum's soup for the last time? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I would not. Darling, would you like to try a little bit? The soup doesn't get to it. Would you hate dessert so much? I could take a little piece. Like that? Yeah, that would.

37:58Yeah, it looks beautiful. So it's ricotta and raspberry. So it's high in protein. You. You. Yeah, and it's by Alison Roman, who's an amazing chef, who we had on recently on this podcast. All right, darling. Do you need a spoon? And we've got some creme fraiche, if you want some, or cream. Thank you, darling. Wow, thank you. Yes, would you like some? Yes, sliver, about the same, yeah, thanks. And this is cream, right? That's cream. That's cream, and the other is creme fraiche. Oh, that would be my dessert. Just cream. You asked about a dessert, yeah. Just cream. Honestly, when I'm in restaurants, I do.

38:34I order a bowl of cream. Like a cat. Like a whipped cream and maybe some strawberries. That's it. Oh, wait, I've got this. You, I mean, we nearly got there. Do you want to take a few of the raspberries? And then you're nearly there, Lorene. Yes. There you go. There you go. She's happy. She's happy. She wasn't that bothered about the cake. She was being very respectful. She took a little slice. But she's thrilled now she's seen the strawberries. Yeah, this is so good. It's your last supper right there on a plate. It's sorted. If I had to choose the last thing to eat, this would probably be it. Strawberries and cream.

39:11Are we skipping a main because we're going for the burrata and the carpaccio? Yeah. I'm not a main course person, I realize. It's too heavy. Honestly, like, I like food that keeps me light. Okay. In terms of energy. Like, you know when you've had a, like maybe a steak or like something heavy, it's like bye-bye for a while. You're not there anymore. Jessie, what's this like? Because I've never made it before. Alison Roman, you are a talented cake maker. This is sublime. Is it nice? It is so nice. My God. This is really, really good. Your mother's absolutely beautiful. Like, you know. I have such huge respect for mothers.

39:55My God. You know. She brought us up too. Yeah. We need more female leaders. like you know there's need to be like we do you know i think we just go so easy you know you don't say father earth you say mother earth it's a she i'm sorry when did health become such an important thing for you has it always been a part of your your makeup or you know yeah i think so first i'm unaware of it but then you know starting to become aware i've always always asked these big questions like why are we here why do things happen the way they are these are like why do i feel the way i feel why do i do the way i do you know did you study at university no i never did what did you do when you left school it went really fast that's why i started being an artist yeah so i entered the idols when i was 18 and from there was like yeah yeah do you think you'd like to go back and study or not Do you feel like you do your own personal learning?

40:57I do my own personal learning, I think. So, do you live alone in this house? Do you live on your own in this island? No, no, no, no. I do have a partner. You have a partner? I do have a partner and a dog. Oh, yeah. A partner and a dog. Yeah, I do love animals. I have a Jack Russell. He's like that Buddha outside there. What's he called? He's called Little Man. Little Man? Yeah. In Swedish. Lilleman. Because he's such a smart kid, I was going to say. And I said it. Yeah. So someone's looking after him now. Yeah, yeah. I have family helped me out with that little guy over there. Oh, he's eight now, so he's not so little anymore.

41:43But he's such a beautiful spirit. You're very busy, but you are coming back for a tour. I am. Let's talk about the tour, Lorraine. oh yeah when are you touring well it's starting in november that's my first europe tour in a while like i'm so happy about it it's really been a couple of years since i was out there so yeah do you know where you're playing like yeah i'm actually playing in london where are you playing in london oh god i can't remember why do you always ask me these questions when where am i playing in london so you're playing in electric brixton brixton but you're also doing a UK tour so you'll be all around the country yeah I will I will are you gonna are you gonna ask me no I'm not gonna do that to you I'm not gonna do you dirty like that so when are you leaving the UK tomorrow tomorrow where are you going I'm going back to Stockholm and from there I'm going to Berlin and from Berlin going back to Stockholm I think and then I'm coming back here to London.

42:45Yeah. So I'm living like a nomad, man. You are so loved and welcome here. We love you so much. Thank you. And I think it's so special that you kind of have got this love affair with London now and the UK. I love that too. It's fabulous. I never thought that. I mean, I really like this place. I came from Paris the other day and I remember when I landed in London, I'm like, I love this energy. Yeah, isn't it? Did you enjoy the Mighty Hoopla? I did. My God. Jessie's done it. It's fab, isn't it? It is so beautiful. When you got announced, it was a massive deal. You were there? No, but I remember it because I was on, where was I?

43:27I was in, I think I was in, oh no, I was in Greece filming the Mamma Mia thing. But I remember you just won Eurovision. Then you get announced for that. It was like the hottest booking ever. Oh yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh babe, yeah. You are very welcome here. congratulations on your success. I wish you all the best with the new record. Yeah, thank you. I hope you get some time to unwind. Completely gorgeous woman. Oh. And I think we'll be there at Bricks and Electric. Yeah, definitely. On the 11th of November, yeah. Oh my God, now I'm nervous for real. Now I need to make sure it's the show.

44:01No, we're the liberty. Honestly. We'll call ourselves. We'll be there singing the chorus. Ten quat. You know, I have to call my producer and be like, we have to make this real. You got deep quat for us. Yes.

44:24Well Mum I feel completely I feel relaxed I feel relaxed I feel optimistic I feel positively Scandi Lots of positive energy What a lovely, lovely person Gorgeous person And, you know, the healing quality of doing table manners. You know, you felt like Lorene really needed that home-cooked meal. Do you think? She loved it. She kept on being like, this is so great. But if I'd have known, I'd have done a tagine. Well, don't worry, Mum, because you hit the nail on the head with the strawberries and double cream. Do you think? She couldn't have cared less about the ricotta cake that was really to die for.

45:09Okay. When she saw that double cream, her eyes lit up. Did they? And then when the bowl of strawberries and raspberries came out, I mean, euphoria! It was amazing. Did you like the chicken and also? Did I like it? I loved it, Mum. Okay, darling. You sound like John Trude. Do I? I thought I sounded like Simon Cowell. Did I like it? I loved it. It was so delicious. I'm actually going to do it for my next dinner party because it looked effortless. You were not stressed. The salad was really yummy too. Yeah, it was quite, I think it's your brother's dressing. I saved a drop. Oh, that's quite sweet.

45:47Yeah, he does a good dressing. Thank you so much to Lorene for coming over. With her nails. With her nails and a really cool team and just like, she was just great. Thanks for listening. Hope you enjoyed that. And I feel like everyone needs to go and do some educational learning on Eurovision because, and I also feel like we should be doing what the Swedes are doing. And I just want to take a moment to shout out May Miller because it takes a lot to do that. And you should all go and listen to the How to Fail episode on Elizabeth Day with May Miller because it's really brilliant. I have a load of respect for that girl.

46:25And another bit, go and watch Eurovision by Will Ferrell. It's a really nice film. So next year, Eurovision will be in Sweden. I feel like we should all try and get a ticket. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next week. Thank you.