Oti Mabuse

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2:46Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here on a, well, there was just thunderstorms but now it's blue sky. Make your mind up, London. It's kind of a sunny day. How are you, Mum? I'm okay, darling. I was going to wear a lemon shirt and I'm glad that I didn't come down in the same outfit as you today. Oh, well, I'm in lemon. It's very strange. Sorry. Do you think it's telepathic? Guys, it is very weird. I don't know. Does anyone else sink their clothes with their parents? Maybe you can let us know because this happens a lot. Does your daughter sink with you? No. No, because I'm not wearing horse T-shirts or shorts.

3:26Yeah, I'm definitely not wearing them batty riders, I tell you, that she's wearing. Do you know who I sink with? Who? I don't know which one. Oh. Oh, it's an apparel. producer alice can you get on the mic quickly please so you've just said gone i always sync with my twin brother i mean that kind of makes sense to me that you're twins you're like genetically you know very combined but i i mean yeah you're my mom yeah and you're very close but that's right you're very close with your brother oh okay but maybe it's because i've got such exceptional taste that you've inherited that from me maybe it is maybe i will be shopping in Wallace and Befais and East and actually I already shop in M &S.

4:09Sahara now. Sahara, okay. We have Oti Mabusi on the podcast today and we're both really excited because we're so fond of her. So fond of her, long time admirer of her dancing and her stature and her wonderfulness. She's a star. She's I think the only dancer to win consecutive Strictly's. She's amazing. she's now a writer she's written this book called slow burn which is sounds really sexy and gorgeous about two dancers um that have a past and she's also gone and done this trip back to south africa with reverend richard coles how interesting i wonder how they became friends was it through strictly possibly because he was on strictly although he went very early on and um yeah she's coming on today to talk about the book to talk about the documentary um I think she's just got some new very very exciting news that she's just announced to the world so we will hear from her and I am cooking what have you I'm doing something that I think I haven't done for a few seasons because I think the last time I did it was with Rose Matafeo Alison Roman who we do a lot of on this podcast it's her slow roasted chicken with tomatoes and oregano and you basically cook a bird for on a lower heat for two and a half to three hours hold on how long has it been on okay it's been on for over two and a half hours but um you put loads of tomatoes in there two garlic bulbs um that you cut in half and then fennel seeds and then you add at the end when it's resting you add a bit of vinegar have we got bread for dunking we've got bread for dunking from i mean people that are in southeast london will know about the lucian italian deli never heard it's the best when i was writing my first record with david kumar he lived right around the corner and we'd go there and get these beautiful sandwiches and like espressos and stuff anyway it's such a gorgeous deli and you're supposed to toast the bread no no no allison i love you you know i worship the church of alice and roman but i'm just going to use nice fresh bread yeah and so you just dip and then i've just got uh you know allison's go-to herb salad you You put any herbs that you've got in the fridge with lettuce.

6:23So did you appreciate all the herbs I gave you? Mum, no, I already had herbs, so thank you. So I'm just going to have to have herb salad for the next year. Okay, good. With lemon and olive oil, and then you've done pudding. Yeah, I've made a mango and passion fruit cheesecake. Right, Oti Mabusi coming up on Table Manners.

6:53Oti Mabuti, you're here. Looking glamorous, fabulous. You've just had a bag of crisps. Yes, I did. And you're telling me all about the Irish crisps. I know. Come on, hit me. I'm so obsessed with them. I'm obsessed with potatoes in Ireland. Just potatoes, right? Is this from working on Dancing with the Stars? Yes. So they have potato bread. They've got incredible butter. It's called like Kerry. Kerrygold. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's great. It's like drinking milk. It is good. And they have crisps. I love O'Donnell's. They are like my favorite. But everyone there does love Tato's. And it's like their national.

7:31Like it's their heart. So what's the difference between an O'Donnell's and a Tato? No, it's. Like it's thicker. It's thicker. It's a different cut as well. I don't. I kind of like the flavor to explode at me. and so they really do that. What flavour did you just have? Salt and vinegar. The best. That's the only one. It's my worst. What? Absolute worst. What's your favourite? Cheese and onion. No! No. I can't regret that. Cheese and onion. No, I'll do cheese and onion when I'm on my own. In the privacy of my own, I'm not socialising. I'm just not kissing anyone. No, well, there you go. So they have really good ones.

8:11Tato's have also really good ones. And I do think it's cheese and onion that they like. I'm not sure. But it's like a blue one. And then they are Kiox. Kiox. Which are, they taste more potato-y than flavour. But all of them are really good. No MSGs in them. So the flavours are like more natural. Did you realise you were such a potato lover? No. Until I went to Ireland. No. So can you find your potato cakes in London? I mean, in the UK now? No. I have to go to Ireland and I stock. And the nice thing about our Donalds is that they'll send me boxes. Great. So I'll just pack loads of them in my bag.

8:46I think I had like two packets here. I'll just pack loads in my bag as a snack and then I'll just eat them. Well, I guess that leads us on to rate your carb. Oh, God. Okay, so potatoes, pasta. This is Phil Wang's favorite game, by the way. We did not invent this. Potato, pasta, rice, bread, noodles. In order of favorite. It's potato at the top. Potatoes, number one. I can eat all versions of potato. Fine. Mashed, crisp, potato. Like, oh, I love potatoes. My least favourite, I would say, is noodles. So that would go five. Oh, really? Oh, don't judge me. Am I being kicked off? No, no, no. It was his number one.

9:25Oh, sorry. Was it his number one? Yeah, of course it was. He comes from Malaysia, darling. Don't they carry, like, parasites? Do they? Yeah. Yeah. Well, like, the noodles and the peps. I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking those two-minute... I don't want to name breads. No. But those two-minute ones with flavours. Yeah, they have parasites in them. And they're not healthy. Are you very into your health? No, my husband is East European. And basically, they just eat everything from the ground. And so anything in a packet that is like full of color and full of flavor, he's like, no, I'm not putting in my body.

9:58So what's your favorite Romanian dish that he cooks you? He doesn't cook it for me. His mother does it. And it's called sarmale. And it's basically, it's delicious. It is chopped onions, chopped garlic in minced meat and they wrap it around a cabbage leaf. Yum. Yum. Yeah. And then they let it roast for like a couple of hours. And then you can have it with like sour cream or yogurt. Never tomato based. You can make the sauce out of tomato, but that I think makes it more Italian then. Okay, okay. So the East European side of the world, they wouldn't do that. Does she live near you? No, she lives in East Europe, in Romania.

10:38When does she come to cook these cabbages? Every two, three months. Oh, that's good. Yeah, yeah. And the nice thing about them is that she does them in like lunch boxes. And then you can freeze them. Oh, wow. And then when I'm like, I'm too tired, I'll just go to the freezer. And then I'll just take two or three. And then I make them for my husband. He loves it. They eat a lot in Romania. They have like four-cost meals. It's soup. Then it's cold meats. Then it's your sarmale or your main dish. And then it's dessert. What are the Romanian desserts like? Cakes. Lots of cakes. Lots of cakes. But fruit cakes.

11:17So we'll have a mince pie with meat in it. They would have it with jam and some cream in it. So I had to learn to make that because he doesn't like sweet things. He's very specific. Yeah, so it will be maybe chocolate cake but like a little bit of chocolate or it would be cocoa with something that looks like chocolate. Did he take you out for dinner on your first date? No, we went to dance practice. Oh. That's not romantic. What attracted you to him? Oh gosh, so many things. So many things. Is he a Latin dancer? Yes, he's a Latin dancer. So, okay, we'll get back to the first. But Slow Burn, the book, is about a sexy Latin dancer.

12:02Not him. It's not about him. Yeah, no, it's not. Your book Slow Burn is, tell the people about what it's about. It's very racy, kind of exciting, sexy, gorgeous. It's a spicy romance about, a spicy romance. I love that genre, about a couple. So the guy is an Italian world dance champion, very macho, you know, leading man. Vito? No, not Vito. The opposite of Vito, I would say. Vito is very sweet. Sweet. Yeah, he's like a puppy. Okay, so are we going for the one that got kicked off? Javon? No, we're not going for it. There's no one on Strictly. Okay, fine. Okay. All I can say is it's a combination of all of them.

12:45Okay, fair enough. But it's no one. Actually, this person has not been on television. Thank goodness for that. But very macho. Very leading man. Very this is my way. And has always been a winner. And very toxic in these ways. Good bottom? Very good bottom. Very good hair. Essential for Latin. Nice olive skin, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mama's boy. Very big mama's boy. And then he meets a girl. She's also a dancer, but she is going to have to stop dancing because she has to go home and she has to go take care of her family. And the family were like, there's no future in competing. Let's just run the dance school.

13:25And 10 years later. Well, sorry. The first night they have a, you know. Yeah. A fun moment. Yeah. She leaves. She takes a jet to flight home. and then 10 years later they bump into each other and he still remembers her because that was the best night of his life and she still remembers him because she was like oh you've just gotten a reputation now and so they clash and they clash and they don't get along and then they do get along and then they clash and they clash it's giving me it's giving strictly ballroom it's giving off campus yes and I like those two together Yes Okay great That's the best description Okay great I've finished off campus in a day Me too I've got to watch it Mum It's the girl from Mallory Towers So I've been watching Mallory Towers with my daughter Okay And now older What's her name Daryl's all grown up now She's grown So are they at university They're at university It's very kind of coming of age Okay And it's the ice hockey world Garrett Graham Ice hockey world And it's very It's sensual So It was sensual In your book, is he a tango champion?

14:37Which is his dance? So his dance is the Argentinian tango. Oh, I love that. Yeah, so his mum is from Argentina, and then his dad is Italian. Oti, what was your best dance? Was it the Argentinian tango? No. Or your ballroom? No, I'm Latin. So you have Latin and ballroom. So you have your Samba Chacharamba Paso Jive, and then you have your ballroom, which is your Walls, Phoenix Walls, Foxtrot, Quickstool. blah blah blah and then we get the off latin and ballroom style so that's the salsa the charleston and the argentine yeah and that was your no i love the samba okay samba was my thing i'm obsessed with the samba i love the roots it's a dance from angola you know and then those kind of roots were taken over to brazil and then to america and then to the uk so i love the whole story of it i love the outfits I love, the cultural reference that it has to me being African as well.

15:34So it was always a way I could express myself the best. When you were younger in South Africa, was that always your dance that you wanted to go to? It was the rumba. Wow. Same, another dance from Angola. The rumba's the hardest one, by the way. It's the sexiest one, isn't it? It's really hard to get right. It is hard to get right. It's hard for men, isn't it? More than women yes because it's the men show off the women i think i love that she's got it i watched you know i love it here you watch every week i should have been one of the presenters definitely oh my god you were you didn't get the call i didn't get the call um no i it's difficult because it's exposing it's also difficult for men because they have to move in a very flexible sensual way but they also have to show I think Shelley describes it as a horizontal desire for a vertical movement so you have to look at this woman it's a horizontal movement for a vertical desire I don't know which way basically you're shagging or you're dancing so you have to look at them with desire you have to look at them with like so it's the eye contact the facial And the hands and the bodies.

16:52Yeah, I understand. And when they go away and when they come back and like all of that has meaning. Now to say that to, for example, a rugby player, they'll be like, what? Yeah. Whether you can say that to someone who can act because they can interpret the story. But it must be fun in Angola. Apparently they dance in the streets. I want to go to the streets. They do the rumba in the street. Yeah. Oh my God. Just like in Argentina, they do the Argentine tango in the streets. Yeah, you see that all the time in Argentina. This brings me on to your TV show. Okay. You're going back, you're doing an odyssey.

17:25Yes. With Reverend Richard Coles. Yes. An unlikely pairing. Can you explain to me? Well, no, he's wonderful. Yeah. But I didn't realise you were friends. We are really good friends. So first we met on Strictly. Yeah. And about 10 years ago now. And I love to have deep, meaningful conversation. And he's the same. so we could sit and just be in a room and just talk and talk with a bottle of wine. Spiritual stuff. Spiritual life. I mean, he's a pastor, he's a reverend, he's gay, he came out as gay. He was in the communards. Yeah, he was, you know, but then he just lived that rock life. Yeah. And I was at a transition where I just came from Germany, South Africa.

18:09He was very interested. his um his his husband who passed worked in south africa and helped a lot of the the children and the women who had hiv aids so he had a really deep meaningful connection to south africa and then we met again in the jungle and spent three weeks there and we had those conversations which we completely forgot that you because you forget you're on camera and we just had those meaningful conversations those spiritual ones those because I'm at a point where sometimes I'm like is is God a thing and like he's like yes God is a thing I'm like what about Jesus and so it's those conversations that we would have just the two of us and every time he has to convince me I'm like but I'm having a bad day and he's like yes God does a lot of bad days that's okay so on this um channel four documentary how many episodes is it four episodes can you explain to everyone what it's about, it's about you returning to South Africa with your friend I'm going back to South Africa with my friend Richard Cole and I am introducing him to things that I love about the country but as we're driving and it's like from Johannesburg to Cape Town it's a 16 hour drive but then we go Durban and then we go Porto de Tabeja it's called and then we do the middle of the country as well there are places that I've also never been like Drakensberg meeting a boys choir seeing them how disciplined they are and and how talented those boys are going to the countryside getting on a helicopter and just flying over Lesotho but then standing on the mountaintops and then finding out the the culture wars that we used to have as different black peoples the Zulus and the and the kings and the royal families, things that I didn't even know about, and some of the fights they had, and the tensions that they still have today.

20:08So all of that was introducing him to that, but also for me to find out more about another part of South Africa that I'd never learned. We met some incredible people as well, new dancers that I'd never seen. Yeah, so we pretty much danced everywhere, and the rev hated it. He was like, oh my God, yes. He was like, please don't tell me all South Africans dance. I was like, yeah, all South Africans dance. We have some sort of cultural dance. And we danced Zuni dance, Casa dance. We did the first man, so the Khoisan, their descendants, they have their own cultural and special dance, which we did in the middle of nowhere in the desert.

20:48And he loved it because then he started going, who's your favorite football team? And they were like, us now. So he had good conversations with the kids as well. It was just a beautiful journey, really beautiful journey. Did you eat well? Oh, my gosh. I think South Africa, it's a hidden, it's a secret how good the food is there. It's so good. It's so exceptional. It's so good. And it's mostly meat. Yes. But the meat is exceptional. The braai. The braai. The fish. The lamb chops and the steak. It's so good. And the fish, king clip, which you can't get here. Genuinely. Or butterfish. When my husband, he's like, have you ever eaten a vegetable in your life?

21:30Because he would get a plate full of meat. And then he's like, oh, I would really like a salad. And then the salad would have meat in it. And then he was like, can I get a side? And then the side would have meat in it. And he's like, no, I just want a tomato. So it's lots of fish, lots of meat. We went to a fish town actually on the show where we actually caught clams. And we bryed the clam and we had that at the beach. The clams. Yeah, literally there with a bottom of wine. How do you bri a clam? So basically you catch it and it's not alive anymore. And you baste it with butter, oil, vinegar, salt.

22:08Do you take it out the shell? No, you leave it in the shell. You leave it in the shell. You slice it in the middle and then you just let it marinate. We won't get Sam on that one. My husband's the worst barbecuer in the world. but he's a man that thinks that he must barbecue and I'm like just leave it to me but barbecue is different from braai yeah braai explain the difference it's the fire so the fire must be flaming hot like our nandos in South Africa and the nandos here is complete like when you go to South Africa oh you see just fire from the nandos so it's that fire and you get the smoke inside of the meat okay a barbecue it's like hot it's hot plate right yeah so it's not well braai's are even harder to cook on them because you have to be really really good at it right otherwise you're just gonna burn well it's not charcoal underneath then if it's so it is charcoal but but you cook it earlier yeah you cook it earlier and but the flame must be going and the meat has to be really close together so that the juices stay together wow and how long would you cook a clam for on the bra a briar clam for that didn't take long it took about 20 25 minutes and it was so good it was so Oh, so, so good.

23:21Can we take it back to Pretoria, where you grew up? Who was around the dinner table? We know one person was around the dinner table, but who was around the dinner table and what were you eating? What's a memorable dish from your childhood? So, mom, dad. So, dad, that's why I asked you why I sit here. Dad usually sits here. Mom sits on the other side of the table, opposite. Mutzi, our middle sister, Pimelo, and myself, and then my grandma would sit on the other side. Your grandma lived with you? Yes, she did before she passed. Which one? Which side? On my dad's side. On my mom's side, passed away, unfortunately.

23:58I think straight after Mutzi was born. So, yeah, but on my dad's side. Were you close to your grandma? Very close. Because me and my sisters have a 10-year age difference. I always say that. I always make it longer. Me and Mutzi are nine years. I'm like, Mutzi is 10 years older than me. No. So she's nine years older than me. And my other sister is seven years. And so they started dancing nine, ten years before I was around. And so because they were already really good and were traveling overseas and were practicing, Grandma took over. Yeah. And took care of me. Which is great. Oh, so your mum traveled with them?

24:37Yes. Because they needed the person to be with them. And so Grandma stayed at home. And I stayed with Grandma. Grandma's are so important. So important. They are. I'm a grandma. She was helping me this weekend. Yes. amazing i'm jealous of that it's so wonderful i keep calling my mom i'm like please please come she's like what's the temperature and i'm like it's 12 she's like no don't call me i'm not coming you couldn't come today you wouldn't know there was winter or summer every time i call her she goes let me see outside i'll come in july that's it she's like july august she goes then i'm out um so what was a memorable dish a memorable dish which i think is still and will forever be a memorable dish.

25:19It's called seven colors. So basically you have to have seven different colors of food on your plate. So we have white which is pap. What? Pap which is maize meal so it's like a powder like fufu. Is that the same as mealy meal? Yes! Similar. I only know friends from Zimbabwe who have mealy meal. Yes. So it would be pap and then you'd have your meat whatever meat. Usually you'd have like steak, chop and vors but we'll say vors you'll have chakalaka that sounds like a dance so it is oh my gosh, chopped vegetables we're talking carrots, garlic onions with lots of spices paprika it's so good and peppers, carrots and then you add baked beans over Good God.

26:19Like tin baked beans? Like tin baked beans. And they have to be baked beans, not kidney beans, not pinto beans, not black beans. It has to be baked beans. So do you fry the onion first? Fry the onion first. And then you add everything else? Then the garlic, then even the paste. And then you have your tomato. Which paste? The tomato paste. Okay. Then you add more tomatoes. Okay. Then now you're testing me. And then you add, what do you add? Carrots. because they take a bit of time to cook. Then you can add your peppers. And they're chopped up very small? Yeah, so long. Long strings. Okay, fine.

26:53So very long strings. And then you add your spices. Which spices? Paprika, cumin. Paprika, cumin. It's a bit like a stir-fry. Curry spice. Yeah, but it doesn't come out like a... It comes out literally like a relish. Okay. It's quite thick. Yeah. Chakalaka. Chakalaka. And then at the end you add the baked beans and then you have to let it cook. But you can also make it spicy. Some people like it spicy. I know Johannes loves it spicy. He once made it and my mouth was like a disaster. It was on fire. Do you like hot? No. Well, I used to. What would be your Nando's? My Nando's would be peritema. What's that?

27:31What's that? Is that for like the babies? Is that a different one? No. It's like sweet, sweet sour. It's like sweet spicy. Where'd you get that? Is that only in South Africa? No. It's here. Who's had a peritema here? Guys, you need to come to the peritamer side. Is it like off menu and you're like, I want a peritamer? No. It's like not hot. Because I can't do hot anymore in case the baby eats my food. So it's... I mean, I'm on the line. Peritamer. So it's between medium and hot? No, it's between mild and medium. Okay. Because she's a selfless mother that wants to kiss her child. Yes. But when she's not around me, I'm a hot girl.

28:14I do. But if she's a Rami, I can't. Because she might. You put a lot of chili in. Yeah. Are we allowed to say congratulations? Yes, you are. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you very much. How are you feeling? Exhausted. Oh, babe. Exhausted. It's hard the first three months. The first three months felt like, like it felt like I signed up for London Marathon. Oh, babe. I would wake up and I'd have to call my agent. I'm like, I just can't do the job anymore. I'm so exhausted. I would just be exhausted. And then I was nauseous. I was in the car. I was vomiting. It was just like, yeah, it was a tough one.

28:55The car sickness is horrendous with pregnancy. I found that. And you also can't tell anyone, right? So when you're vomiting, people think you're just hungover. They're like, oh yeah, did you have a good night last night? I'm like, no. And I can't tell you why I feel sick. Yeah, so it was really, really tough. but I got over it now. When are you due? November. So I have to beg my mum to come. Oh, it's not long. No, not long. So six months? Yeah. Yeah. How old's your little girl? She's two. Two and a half. So it's perfect, really, timing. Yeah, yeah. And she understands. We kind of let her know.

29:31She walks past me and she just, to my belly, she goes, hi, baby. And then she walks every morning. She's like, I'm like, you know what's inside? So you can't jump on mummy because I'm like that type of mum. I'll do like strictly stuff I'll throw in the air so she can jump on me or we wrestle and I had to completely stop all of that and so now she goes baby's in mama's belly and then she lets me go is she a good dancer yes against my wishes no well I mean it's in it's in the family it would be hard to avoid it we're both dancers yes but all four so me my sister her husband and my husband are all professional dancers with dance schools, both on television.

30:18Have you got a dance school now? Yes. So I have a dance school in Park Royal, the OT and Marius dance school. And I've rehearsed there. Yeah. I did rehearsals for my music video there. Yeah, it's a great dance school. We always, my husband has cameras and she goes, you know who this is? I'm like, yes! Why didn't you tell me? I wanted to meet her. It's a great space. Thank you. thank you now we've had it for six years now we really love it we got it actually do it while i was on strictly and it was nice and we can use that and now they've continued to use it but we have artists come over and rehearse because of the peace and quiet and it's like in the middle of an industrial area and then we have our kids who are competitive kids when you were dancing on strictly every week do you have to change your diet to keep going because the stamina you know i think or do you lose weight whenever you're you're gonna lose weight anyway but it's not even a conscious thing i think the show has so much pressure to it that you eat what you can and and when you can and when you can genuinely because you're running around during the week when you're with your pro great because they allocate eating times and then you could eat whatever everybody was really relaxed about it but on show days it does get quite hectic where you have an incredible team of runners that go you haven't had lunch you haven't had dinner or runners who like follow you with your with your shoes and dresses and they're like here's a snack orange or a fruit because you've got to keep your energy up you've got to keep your energy up yeah i'm just being in the audience i needed to keep my energy up i'm telling you it's a bloody long day it's so long oh my god i went to the one where you sang um which was kind of i took my best friend it was the greatest day of her life because she met everybody and we met all the dancers yeah yeah it was wonderful i'm gonna get the food together okay we're having have you gone off anything since being pregnant no why you ask me now i'm worried that i'm gonna give you this You can have bread and butter if the words combine this.

32:28Yeah, I can give you whatever. I can have potato. Cauliflower. Oh, I'm not feeding you cauliflower. Thank God. That's it. God, that's an interesting one to go off. I can't stand it. The smell. Yeah, I understand. The smell is a funny one. The smell is cauliflower. Okay. There's no cauliflower in sight, babe. That's it. Thank God for that. That's it. Right. Keep on it going. You can keep on chatting whilst I... Yeah. So how was it? I want... So does Johannes cook for you? He did once when we had... He did once. He goes to a takeaway. When he was on, he told us he goes... Jesse, didn't he go to a Turkish takeaway every day, Johannes?

33:07Was it Turkish? Filipino. Filipino takeaway every day. Because if he was to cook South African food, it genuinely does take long. But to be honest, I also like takeaway. I think probably because him and I, we didn't grow up in a... like we didn't have all of these things around us. Yeah. And so now we're like free to just run. Yeah. It's like kids in a candy store. So we eat. I also, I'm bad at takeaway. I love a Wingstop. A what? Wingstop. What's Wingstop? Oh, my friend loves Wingstop. I'm obsessed with you two because everything I say, you're both like, what's that? I don't know what Wingstop is.

33:47What do you mean, Peritema? What do you mean, Wingstop? Wingstop. Wingstop. Where is Wingstop? It's everywhere. It's in Berkshire. It's in Berkshire. Good. It is fried chicken but different flavours. So you'll get like a spicy mango or you'll get like a really, really, really hot but fruit flavours. Oh, interesting. Like six different flavours. And is it just the wings? You can get wings, you can get tenders, you can get little chicken bites, you can get different types of fries. I miss this. Because you're eating healthy food in the kitchen. But I have to admit that I think Kentucky Fried Chicken is the most delicious thing on the...

34:25Wow. Yeah. You have not tried Wingstop. I'm going to try Wingstop immediately tonight. You have to. It is so good. What other takeaways do you like? I'm very specific. So Nando's, I don't eat anything, anything. I don't like any... No, sorry, not Nando's, McDonald's. I can't eat anything else except the McSpicy Chicken. That's the only thing I can eat at McDonald's. Okay. Every now and so I'm like, ugh. Nando's, it has to be a double chicken wrap, peritema or hot when the baby's not around, with peri fries. Five Guys, it's a small cheeseburger with pickles and grilled onions. Do you cook as well as order takeaway?

35:07So much. Yes, I know it sounds like... I only cook, yeah. I love cooking. If we came for dinner, what's your best dish? Oh, I'd make you a South African dish. Okay, go on, tell me. But then I'd make a different type of chicken. So I'd maybe make you butter, butter, garlic, chicken. Butter, garlic, chicken. Yeah, which is like loads of garlic, loads of butter. Herbie's a nice sauce as well. Can you recommend a good South African cookbook? No, all of them. All of them? Can you tell I don't need a South African cookbook? No, because you know it. Yes. You know it. Did your mum teach you? No, she refuses.

35:43my mum is such a good cook oh my god when I just had the baby and she cooks really healthy stuff so I was able like I felt warm you know when you have soups that make you warm inside but I was like could you teach me she said no oh she's not someone I know yeah she just went no you make your own recipes you figure it out you go by your soul I was like mum that doesn't help me so you're cooking soul food every day every day So I would make you that. I'd then make you some chakalaka because you probably never had. I'm dying for chakalaka now. I'd make you seven colours. Yeah. So we'd have a potato salad.

36:23You'd have your beetroot. You'd have your butternut. You'd have your corn. It would be a feast. It would be a feast. What is celebration? If you're having a celebration and say it's a christening or a wedding, big banquets, does everyone in your village or your neighbourhood come? So it's not just close friends. No. It's everyone, open to everyone. Our wedding had 200 people invited, only friends. Yeah. 450 people were at our wedding. Where was the wedding? Did they just turn up? So I would invite you and I'd be like, oh, mum is your plus one. But mum's like, yeah, but I can't leave my best friend.

37:04That would have been nice. She wouldn't have been nice. And then the best friend would be like, yeah, but I can't leave my husband. like I have to I go everywhere with my husband and then the husband will be like but what about the kids so then it's your best friends and the kids and that yeah it generally but then a bride and groom just really resentful no so it's a wedding basically it's almost like a Indian kind of the Indian way yeah you're feeding the village everybody yeah you're feeding so when we cook even if it's for 200 you just say you know do people bring along food as well no oh and people come hungry oh my god they don't they come with empty stomachs sometimes they come with lunch boxes oh my goodness oh yeah so we have these little cakes we call them de gugu and at every wedding if like of course the the family close family and the ones that are invited they would have the wedding cake then you order another cake just in case the distant family we're talking the cousins they would have their cake but then the guests of the guests they would have de gugu and they would just take the gugu in a plastic bag or in a lunch tin.

38:10So people bring their Tupperware with them? They bring their Tupperware with them, yeah. Where was your wedding? It was in our house, actually, in Pretoria, where we live. It's like a plot. It's a big garden. And so we just thought, well, we're dancers. We can't really afford getting a venue and it's silly. And the house is here and we'll always have that memory. So we just did it in the front garden. And music. Was there any music? Yes. So South Africa, we've got loads of different musics. It was, I mean, we had to mix it. So there was South African music, which is like Guaito. We love R &B. We had some Latino.

38:47What is Guaito? Guaito is like township music. Okay. That is very big in South Africa. Did any of your family come from townships? Yeah, all of them. All of the family. We grew up in a township and then later moved out into the suburbs. What was your township called? Mabupani. Okay. Yeah.

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41:23We have OT. We have Alison Roman's brilliant recipe that I seem to have cocked up today by making the chicken dry. It's her slow roasted chicken with tomatoes and vinegar and butter and fennel and oregano. And I don't know why it's freaking dry. But whatever. Enjoy it. Do not worry. Anyway, try and find the most moist bit. Maybe it was meant to be dry. Maybe it wasn't, Oti, and I'm pissed off. Darling, that's not enough. She didn't want dry chicken, did she? I'm just taking the sauce because you said it's dry. Can you get a bit of the tomato? And I like the bones. Have the way. You want the bones.

41:58Get that skin. I like the bones. I got the skin. Yeah, great. Get a bit of that tomato. Would you like some salad and beans? Yes, I would love salad. It's not dry at all. Babe, listen. Listen. I can see it's fucking dry, but you're so sweet. I try. Talking about going back to when you were younger and the amount of effort it took probably for your mum and dad to support your sister and you to go and be three sisters oh so your other sister danced yeah yeah and she did borum we did letter she did borrow was that completely inconvenient that she was doing a completely different one because she would have different teachers or no it was all in the same dance school no i think they wanted that she did she did 10 dance um because she just didn't want to compete against her own sister because they're so similar ages they have to compete against each other she didn't like the competitiveness of all of it um and just the tension that creates in a family like dance families have a lot of tension in them when you're competing against each other and she didn't like that and she was like i'll just do the ball room let her do the lesson but your mum your mum and dad weren't were they dancers no so they just had this love for it no and it was a way out of the like no um mootsy had the love for it okay Okay.

43:17Mutzi was the one who was like, I want to dance and I love it. And they were like, well, if you're all the sisters doing it, you have to do it too. Because I can't be everywhere all at the same time. Exactly. And the other one, Pimelo, she didn't really have something that she was obsessed with. So they're like, okay, you'll be obsessed with this as well. So, yeah. And then my mom just became obsessed with it because she just, all she wanted to do was protect her little three black kids. and so she was basically our umbrella, you know? She was like, I'm just going to protect you guys until the end.

43:53Protecting? I'm just wondering, regarding the dance schools that you were in, was it only black kids that you were allowed to dance with? Yeah, by then the rules weren't like that, but it was just the political stance of the country. So, yeah, we were... We did go to white schools, but the dance school was in a black area. It was for black kids because we wanted to, well, my mum really wanted to uplift the township and give kids something to think about and give us. You know, we didn't have high-performing centres. We didn't have after-school care. So dance was their little sanctuary. But you were, were you encouraged?

44:35Apartheid had finished. Yeah, by then. By then. It had finished. But it still kind of pervades society. 100%. So we would be in the townships, be in the dance school, live there. And then the competitions were very much white. And they were with white judges in white areas. And did you have mixed couples, black and white? We could dance together. I mean, could we dance together? Yeah, you could totally dance together. Like that ended already, I would say, in the 80s. It was slowly starting to die out. But the mentality is something that you cannot kill. You know, it's something that still lives on today.

45:13but yeah, so my mum wanted to protect all the kids. She wanted to make sure that the judging systems were fair. She wanted to make sure that the policies that they were creating were fair, the election processes were fair. So she was on top of all of it, and not just her, but it was a group of mums as well who were also protecting their kids. So they felt really passionate about that. She sounds amazing. Yeah, and if you meet her, she's so quiet. she's so quiet and she's like no it's okay but um she's a strong woman no never danced before never danced before so what was her job mom so she didn't oh like work no yeah no no she she she had a nursery she was a school principal for that then she had a taxi company then she had a flower business oh my god she had a sewing business and but now she's like now she's grandma and she still has the nursery she must be very proud of you extremely proud she's extremely proud and um i call them every day i make sure that i talk to them every single quite right um and so she just is like i can't believe the life that you're living i just come or she'll be just paging through the show and she goes I saw you on television and everybody's calling me that you're now in Ireland and I'm like yeah I'm in Ireland and so she's just really proud and my dad as well very very proud so when you started coming over to Blackpool for the competitions how old were you 11 well like your first plane trip to no no where was your first plane trip um I was already competing competitively when I was nine so that would yeah yeah they started How old were you in four?

47:00Wow. Yeah, four. I don't know because I look at my daughter now and I think I was a psychopath as a baby because I look at her and I'm like, she's so small. And she's turning three this year. So it means I started like next year dancing competitively. And I asked my sisters, I'm like, were you guys lying to me? Like, did she just make up that number? Because I don't know, right? They were like, yeah, you were four, we knew at four. But you have to be very disciplined. We were talking about Jessie's children, and her husband wants the two boys to go to jiu-jitsu because he says the discipline. You have to...

47:38But I can't imagine you disciplining your children to compete at four. I don't think he wants them to compete. No, no, no, but I can't imagine being able to discipline the children. Oh, yeah, for them to, like, do as they're told. To be able to do as they're told. No one had to discipline me. I wanted it. I literally would sit my family down. on a sunday like we say after dinner and i'll be like right girls it's showtime today your practice was awful i know i was three four and i'd be like no um you're the way you present yourself is not good enough you're not strong enough you need to do your arms like this and like this and move your hips like this and then my mom was like do you want to try i was like try i'm gonna be amazing at this and that's how it happened and they were like we'll find you a partner let's go and then And I was like, okay, come to practice, come to practice.

48:27And I was go, go, go. And they didn't work hard enough for you. And yes, they didn't. And then I found another one and he did. And then that's when we started competing. So you said, sorry, four-year-old. You're not working hard enough. I need a new partner. Yes, because he'd come and he'd be like, I've got a stomachache. And I was like, ah. Sick note, get out of here. He says, he's always got excuses. And I want to win. And yeah, so I was just, honestly, that's what I'm telling you. I was crazy as a child. Did you ever come across Johannes in competition? Yeah, we competed our whole life against each other.

48:59Our whole life against each other. But you never partnered him? I was supposed to. Okay. We were supposed to partner. We had a tryout and he was really good. But I was at the point in my life where I had to choose between dancing. I was already South African champ for 10 times at that point. And yeah. So how old were you at this age? I was 20. Okay. I was 20. Ten times. Yeah, I started competing when I was 10 in South Africa. And so the choices were be an engineer. So I studied civil engineering. At uni? Yeah, at university. And I was going to start working, dance with Jojo and continue competing in South Africa or leave and go overseas.

49:48And? And I left and I went overseas. Does your name mean anything? yeah my name means so i have to start with my oldest start with the top the oldest one mozi means it's mozi her full name yeah which is the one you can rely on okay is that correct yes but like now we're all kind of the same age and so when she gives us advice we're like stop yeah stop uh but yeah she definitely is like the older sister the calm one yeah and then the middle sister sorry the middle sister is called Pimelo which means the protector so when Mutsi would get bullied at school Pimelo would come to her school and like fight all the bullies off okay and then the last one is Utile which means she has arrived so now you get it yeah I do get it you were born to it yeah I was like I am here yeah so they my parents literally were like yeah we're gonna name you guys in that way And I was like, but why did you like my name?

50:50They're like, we just really liked it. So what language is it in? Sitswana. Sitswana. Yes. And can you speak Sitswana? Yeah, I only speak Sitswana. So it's like a language that natively comes from Botswana. So my family and heritage would be from Botswana. Okay. Yeah. Mum, that looks delicious. I think it's going to fall apart. That's okay. It's fine. Doesn't look dry like my chicken, so go on. It's definitely not dry. Go on. It's a mango cheesecake. Oh, I love. And passion fruit. And there's some mango and passion fruit coulis to add on the top. I've never had that before. Oh, M &S, darling. So I put it over or I drink this?

51:29You drizzle it. Okay, okay. Shall I give you some? Yes, please. A lot of some. Okay. You've got a sweet tooth? I've got a very big sweet tooth. Okay, well now. I mean, not since the baby, but we're going to try. Okay, well, see how you go. Yeah. Last supper, Oti. Starter, main, pud, drink of choice. Oh, God. Oh, no. Can I go the other way around? Yeah, sure. Dessert. Yeah. I'll go a milk tart. Do you know? A milk tart. Explain, like, what kind of milk tart? Where am I finding it? Can I find it in the UK? Yeah, no. A peppermint milk tart. You probably can. Oh, peppermint milk tart. It's milk. Peppermint.

52:14Wow. Yeah, and the base is tennis biscuits. Then it is... Which biscuits? Tennis biscuits. What are they? Stop it! Does anyone else know what a tennis biscuit is? It's like a digester. Where on earth am I? I want to live your life. You've never eaten a tennis biscuit? No, what's a tennis biscuit? It's a biscuit for tennis players. I'm joking. I'm Googling this. It's like a square biscuit. I think it's made by bakers. You do get it here in the UK because my daughter's obsessed with it. And it's coconut flavoured. What? But not like obviously coconut. Never seen these, but I like the packaging. Are they kind of like milky, malted milk?

52:55Are they like the malted ones? No, it's like a less intense digestive. Okay. But it's really nice. It's almost like a... It's very retro packaging. Yeah, that. Almost like a much classier... Which are the ones you get at the hotel? Lebonitz. No. No, Lotus. Lotus The ones you get in the hairdresser Yeah We love them But like a much Classier one Wow So that would be the base With butter Where was the first time That you had A tennis biscuit Is it in South Africa I think I grew up Maybe in my mother's womb So is it South African thing Yes Fine Okay cool Because you know We love anchoviet In this house What's anchoviet Hex anchoviet No It's anchovy Spread Oh no I've never had that I've just paid£19 pounds to get two small things.

53:43That's daylight robbery. From South Africa. It's a South African fish paste. No, I've not had that. Okay, well, you take the anchoviet and I'll take the tennis. You have to get the tennis biscuit. Okay, so you're going tennis biscuit base. Yeah, and then you get buttercream or condensed milk and you boil that until it's really mixed together and then you put it over the tennis biscuits and then you put it in the freezer for about three, four hours and then you spread the peppermint crisp. You know peppermint crisp? No. Chocolate? Oh, yeah, okay. Like, not like an after-aid. It's not like an after-aid, but it is like an after-aid.

54:20Okay. But it's proper like... It's like a crunchy, but inside it's peppermint. Ooh. Yeah. Can you get them in the UK? Yes. Has anyone had a peppermint crisp here? Yeah. Okay, fine. Okay. Producer Alistair. You need to come hang with me. Okay. You'll all probably get diabetes, but we'll be fine. So this is okay. And then you put that in the... So it's a non-bake dessert. Okay. Or you can put cinnamon. This is a non-bake dessert as well. So then you can put cinnamon over and it's divided. Is that the cheesecake? How lucky that we're doing a cheesecake today. This is delicious, Mum. Do you like it?

54:56Yeah. Where did you get the idea of the mango? It was a recipe on Marks & Spencer's website. On Marks & Spencer's website. And what's in the base? Ginger nut biscuits. Yeah. Okay, so we forgot your pud. At the moment, I'm obsessed with lasagna. There's nothing quite like a good lasagna. But it has to be in an Italian place with an Italian chef. Okay. And you can taste when it's been, like, in the pot for hours and it's been... Do you like that? Love it. Do you like it wet or quite dry? Wet. oozing like the cheese like when you your children don't like it I like it oozy I love it like when you put the fork it goes yeah it just comes apart love that so where have you had your best lasagna recently I don't know the name of the restaurant but it is a it is a it's in Covent Gardens do you know where the Hippodrone Casino is like Magic Mike if you cross the road yeah There's a little Italian there.

56:06Everyone's like a little Italian family. I don't know the name, but it was so good I got two. Good for you. It was so good. Right. I got two. There's small portions. It's like it's me and the baby. The baby likes his zanah. I never, though, eat his zanah. I never eat Italian food except if I'm in Italy because I don't know where to go, right? So I feel like anywhere you go in Italy, the food would be great. But he has sort of hit and miss. But I was in that restaurant and I did not want to leave. It was stunning. Okay, so we've got a cheesecake. We've got a lasagna. Where's the starter? What's the drink?

56:48The starter, can I go for croquettes? Yeah. Is that weird? No. What's that? Croquettes. Oh, what sort? What, a ham and cheese? No, just cheese. Where are you having them? In Spain? I'm having them in Greece. Oh. with truffle over. Where were you fancy pants? Where did you have these? I don't know. Mykonos or somewhere. No, in Athens. Oh. And they were very affordable. Mmm. It was right by the beach. They love a croquette, don't they? Oh, it was like three cheese croquettes. And over it, they had a layer of truffle and then a rounded honey. It's the honey in cheeks that just does it for me. Delish.

57:29I was in heaven. If you were having a dinner party, who would you like to come, dead or alive? Oh, gosh. Beyonce. Beyonce. Does she wiggle her bum well? She so well. She's the queen of bum wiggling. She's a great dancer. She's a great dancer. It has to be Beyonce. Is that a technical expression, bum wiggling? Yeah. No, it's not. But I get you, Mum. For you, we'll say yes, it is. But she did go to Africa to learn it, didn't she? Yeah, she went to, like, Gambia. Or Ghana Yeah I think so But then she brought South Africans over to Oh did she To dance South Africa Zimbabwe Yes South Africa Zimbabwe In her videos So she was really So I would have Beyonce Yeah I would have Michelle Obama Yeah As well I'd have Alison Hammond Of course Because she's fun Yes How many am I allowed?

58:23You can have any of them Yeah All women All women Okay you're not having any men No I'm married one I'm fine No man I'd have Jessie Thank you For some dry chicken We all need to have some dry chicken once in our life For some tomato I'm so heartbroken Just for the vibes Do you know what I mean? You bring your perry table And I'll bring my dry chicken Bone And please bring the chicken I'm devastated You see I'd have Nelson Mandela Nelson Mandela wasn't he a god in your family he he he was the god in the whole country but that's controversial because you can't just bring him along you need to bring it winnie you yeah i think she was good fun probably you know what i mean she's a bad girl but i think she was good fun like the way she's spoken about in the uk or the rest of the world and the way she's spoken about in south africa just like worlds apart so we grew up with her being the hero the actual warrior in the streets walking around to try and get him freed and yeah and keeping yeah but other things as well you know like other army things as well and how she got treated was just always put in the background so i'd have to have both of them but i still wouldn't have them because i need the conversation to go that way okay you know i still i think that i read my dad made me when we were naughty my dad would make us read a long walk to freedom oh when you were naughty yeah so that's such an amazing book it is a great it is a really good book but it's long we read that one you know that the thick one the one that you can't even open the book before we let you go one nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere.

1:00:09Okay. It's not nostalgic, but I do think it's just weird. We had shock. Shock? Shock. Shock. When? I think 13 years ago. The first trip my husband took me was to Iceland, which I was like, me and this guy are not going to last because why would you take an African girl to the coldest country in the world? and we had shark with some shots vodka shots and it was the best experience of my life it tasted horrendous but the people of Iceland and the occasion and the food and the so we had food we all had food and they went you know what we got some shark you want to try some shark and I was like yeah and then we had the shot and then we had loads of shots afterwards so I feel like the occasion I will always remember Iceland for that it was freezing cold I got blown down the hill because of the wind then we went to a lagoon and then we went to a spa and it was beautiful and the people were just incredible and I remember it was all based of us sharing and me just saying okay I'll eat the shark and just accepting their culture and their food and their ways there I always remember that and it made you realize that maybe you love this guy that you He could be in a cold place and it could work out okay.

1:01:35No. No. We still argue about that. Okay, fine. I sleep near the heater. He sleeps by the window. What's the dance that you'll do when you make up? If you're fighting, what's the dance? Will you be like, will you just get them rumba hips out? Salsa. And you'll be like, salsa. Salsa. You can't be grumpy with a salsa, can you? You can't be grumpy with a salsa. It's a local dance that you could do in the streets. You don't need to have a choreography. Most of the other ones, you kind of do need to know where he's going. but the salsa it's all in his hands and it's all in me to decide whether I go or not so I make the choice so and it's any music it can be fast it can be slow it can be romantic it can be raunchy as long as he's leading and I follow that's how it works for the salsa I love that thank you so much for coming on the podcast thank you for having me and best of luck with the rest of the pregnancy yes thank you thank you for having me as well pleasure such a pleasure have fun

1:02:43Oti Mabusi. Love her. Gorgeous woman. She really did arrive into the world being fabulous, didn't she? She did. She's just fabulous. Fun, warm, hardworking. Yeah. From the age of four. I can't actually... Competing. My children are idle. Yeah. Idle children. Lazy buggers. Yeah, lazy children you've got, Jessie, compared to the Mabuse family. I know, they are quite... High achievers. Yeah, I know. And she was going to go to uni and do engineering. I'm just like, oh yeah, just that on the side, a bit of engineering on the side, sure. Clever. And right now a novelist. I know, it's really... I can see what she's written about on film, can't you?

1:03:26Yeah, totally. Yeah. She's fab. Really loved having her on. She's a really impressive, brilliant human and... Enthusiastic eater. Enthusiastic eater. I'm really annoyed that my chicken was dry. Never mind, darling. It's just annoying. So do I need to just not do it for as long, Alison Roman? Or was the chicken not big enough? I don't know. I cooked it for less time when I cooked it. I cooked it for two hours. And I felt that was over doing it as well. Shit oven. I'm getting a new oven. I'm done with my oven. I'm like, I'm ready to break up with it. You're going to get you a new oven. You'll have to get a whole new cooker.

1:04:01This is a conversation for another time. Thank you to Oti Mabusi for coming on. You can go and read her book Slow Burn or you can go and watch her documentary on Channel 4 with Reverend Richard Coles, which is out, I think, in the summer. I think it's in July, so it's not out yet. But thanks, Oti, for coming on. And congratulations on having another baby. She looks amazing. She looks gorgeous. We'll see you next week for more Table Mannies.

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