Princess Eugenie

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1:05Hello and welcome to Table Mellors. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm back in Blighty. You're back, darling. It's a lovely day today. It is. The leaves are falling. All the leaves are brown. And the sky is blue. Beautiful. Poetic. How are you, Mum? I'm fine, darling. You sound quite zen today. Do I? Yeah. I don't know. I've been up early preparing. You've got your soft voice on and everything. Is it because we've got royalty coming? I think it's because my mic is drooping. All right, okay, fine. Anyway, we have our first royal. I think our first royal. Yeah. Jessie, do we curtsy? I quite want to do some of the traditions.

1:46Well, I have bought her a tiara in case she needs to wear one at dinner. Yeah, we'll ask. Yeah. We'll ask her what her favourite bit of being a princess is. Like, you know, do you get to go on the aeroplane first? Yeah. I was thinking, she's in the public eye the whole time. Is she? Yes. You know, she comes out of her front door and they're taking photos of her. Wherever she goes, commenting on how she looks, what she wears, everything. It must be so annoying. But she's grown up with it, hasn't she? Yeah, I suppose so. But she's coming on to talk about a podcast called Floodlights. And it's shining a light on...

2:22Drawing attention to modern slavery. She really is using her position positively, isn't she? Not only is she a podcaster, she also does loads of charity work. She does Teenage Cancer Trust, Children in Crisis. There's an environmental organisation she works with, I think, called Blue Marine, trying to clean up the oceans. And she's got two children. Yeah. She's a busy lady. And her husband, I think... She's a drinks person. Yeah, just tequila, I think. Oh, and she's bought a bottle. Don't talk about tequila. I drink a bit too much on Saturday night. And don't swear, darling, because she's an HRH.

2:59can you try and hold back a little i'm sure she swears well maybe just hold a little back darling okay what are you making well i've made shakshuka well the whole menu got changed because i suddenly learned she was gluten and dairy free so i've made shakshuka with gluten free bread i'm not sure how spicy it is because it didn't taste very spicy and then i put more more rosarisa in and it might be a bit too spicy now yep um i've got yogurt or dairy-free i've got pretend yogurt what kind of coconut no but it's yeah but it is it's one of the collective ones but it's vanilla flavored because i've got that for the plums but i've made plums that are disintegrated oh there were 30 plums there and it was like there's two i think i overcooked them in the oven never mind never mind it looks a bit like jam we've got gluten-free bread from a local baker lily's loaf lily's loaf and so we've got a gluten-free bread to go with the shakshuka yeah i better go and slice that i think i quite like it when you put the halloumi in could you put some halloumi i've got halloumi oh thank you do you want me to do halloumi on the side very disrespectful to her well i'll ask her if she fancies a bit of halloumi i'll say go on go on She's Dairy Fairy.

4:20Okay. Princess Eugenie coming on. Take my hand.

4:42Princess Eugenie. Yeah. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. Your Highness. we're thrilled to have you I'm interested about the fact that you dip your Earl Grey bag in for a second it's quite princessy your mum just said that she doesn't like strong tea as well no but like that was literally, you called it dishwater well Earl Grey you need to like make it like be in there for about five minutes no but can I just not that princessy if your mum does it too she's no she's she's yeah um yeah no i i've always done it like that i think my mum did it and then i copied her i don't know how i don't know how else to do it i mean i do know how else to do it but i don't like the taste yeah would you strong tea would you do it if you were even adding milk only put it in for a short time no uh i don't think i'd have tea with milk i never Never, ever, no.

5:41How do you take your coffee? With milk. Fair enough. But I don't really drink coffee that much. Because I heard that the three things that make you unhealthy is coffee, sugar and alcohol. And so I thought the easiest one to give up would be coffee. Particularly as your husband is in alcohol, right? Yeah, he was. So I gave up coffee. And then now I've taken it up for decafs now and again. but it's quite strong. So do you have a sweet tooth? Yes, but if I'm going to have a snack attack, it's going to be prawn cocktail crisps, or ready salted crisps, or salt and vinegar crisps, or hummus, with all that.

6:24Or popcorn, salty popcorn. Anything salty, I'm a salty girl. I haven't really tried a prawn cocktail with a hummus, but I may do that. Well, yeah. I love that prawn cocktail was your first choice. I think it's a very underrated flavour. Do you? It's the best flavour. Why? Oh, it's my least favourite. Because it's slightly sweet. Yeah. A proper Walker's prawn cocktail big bag. They should get you in the advert with Gary Lineker. It is my favourite. Just sort it out the new campaign. It's done. It's my favourite. So alcohol. Can I just ask, are you going to hear me slurping on this? They love it.

7:00This lady called Jenny. I think her name's Jenny. She wrote in and said we... But any noise of food. She was like, I just love it when you keep the food things in. So really masticate on that. Yeah, she must have really enjoyed Miriam then. So we had it from both ends. Well, speaking of which, so you follow the podcast's Instagram and you saw this clip of our dear friend Miriam farting. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. Were you offended? No, it was so funny. She's farted in that chair that you're sitting in. Yeah, and then she... Yay. But she kept doing it. And I promise you, the last one was so powerful.

7:37and I felt the floor move. But it comes, that wasn't a far view, really. Yeah, that sounded like one. It wasn't, but you looked shocked. I thought you were, like, in it with her. No, but it leads me on to being a member of the royal family. Yes. Table manners. Yes. We should be, mum, get your things off the table. Sorry, darling. Your bosom and your... My bosom is on there, yeah. Are there certain things that you grew up having to do? yeah but I think everyone would be in the same boat okay so what were they? well so you grew up with your mum and dad living in Windsor yeah so did you have a house on the estate near your grandma?

8:17yeah right yeah and so you saw your grandma a lot yeah yeah and every summer and Christmas and Easter and as much as possible really yeah yeah but we had table manners A like really little people table manners A was when we were with granny and Table Manor Z was when we were at home. Z or Z or I don't know. Okay. And then from then it was always like, you know, we can't have knees at the table. So like my mum, if I had a knee at the table, she'd say, are they invited to lunch? Are they invited to dinner? And so they'd be down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was like a funny thing. So now if we're on holiday or if our friends are around and they put their knees up, my mum's like, you know, his knees down.

8:55Do you say this to Augie? I mean, Ernie's a bit too young for this. No, no. Will the knees ever be invited to lunch in your house? Yeah. Yeah. Well, like this morning, I was on my own with both of them. So breakfast normally is at the kitchen counter. And Augie sits in one of those boxes. Oh, what, like the chair, like the high chair box? No, no. It's like a kitchen helper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can help cook. It's a box that you, it's like a little platform for children. And you can stand in the box and you're up at the... And there are magnets and chalk things and you've been drawing it. So he stood in that.

9:33And then all of a sudden he wanted to go into the playroom. So I was like, okay. And he goes, Mama, tray, this entree, take in playroom. I was like, okay. So he's having a telly breakfast. Yeah, I brought his cereal and his Marmite toast in with me so I can go and get Ernie and bring him down so they can all hang out. So what was Table Manners A when you were with Granny? Well table man I guess it's just not getting down from the table until until you can get down from the table So that's like when PUD is finished Yeah but we weren't invited to like proper Big banquet No no no no Tea was at five and we could like tea was around then and it was only ever like 45 minutes so you can never get stir crazy and then we'd go running everywhere afterwards around the house like crazy people Was tea every day?

10:24Yeah well because it was children's tea as well as grown-up tea so like what was what did you get to request what you wanted no i don't think no i don't think we did and what was on the menu so like for the kids it's always um i don't know spaghetti bolognese or oh well you're sure i thought you remember afternoon tea that's that was like kids tea and then when we were growing up and then grown-up tea was like um sandwiches little cakes oh it's like being in fort and mason the whole time yeah but you know was it amazing yeah i mean it's it we we have tea at our house because it's a tradition yeah from growing up for my family and you know all the generations have had tea it's just i don't know i guess it's the same so do you skip out the meal so you can fit it in no we just eat extra so what's on your family tea at home what we like in my house with my husband and my kids we don't have tea we just have like you know open the fridge and consume yeah um but at my like family tea now it's like um yeah it's the same it's like little sandwiches some cakes um and like little sausages things like that sounds great it's a really sweet way to like all come together at another point in the day yeah because your children probably wouldn't eat with you and you don't eat dinner early and your children wouldn't eat with your dinner exactly so that so tea was always like we'll eat with the children that kind of thing so when growing up it was so yeah table manners were like you have to eat something savory before you go in for the cakes yeah that was always a rule i used to hate that i just want to go straight in for the cake um and things like that but i can't remember it being i can't remember the manners being difficult i think it was just it was just what you did we'd always have to ask to get down as well we said thank you very much please might get down from my granny or from my mum or anyone.

12:14But you would do that. Oh yeah, alright. She thinks she's the queen now. No, you don't do that. You'd say, say, have you finished, you can't get down yet. But Table Manor Z was like, nah, let's just get down. Okay. So actually it was just being polite. It wasn't kind of so regimented and strict. It actually was quite polite and normal. It's very normal, yeah. And when we were in the summer, we'd go to Scotland and we'd hang out at the little bothies the little little houses in on the estate and it would be very much like we'd all be getting tupperware out of the basket picnic hampers and like opening them and then helping ourselves to like the salad and cold meats and bits like that so that was very much normal so is it like the crown do you want no i've seen the one when they went out when they were shooting or doing something and they had a big picnic i mean i don't watch it actually i haven't watched it but um yes we have picnics yeah yeah did you enjoy your summers in scotland or did you sometimes wish you were in portugal where you live now after you it was the summers in scotland were the best it's my favorite place on the planet yeah which bit well where we where we go the highlands in scotland yeah it's the cairngorms are the most beautiful it's one of the most beautiful national parks and it's like a best kept secret no one's there because they've all gone to portugal and in august you go and it's beautiful weather and sunny and happy the midges but even the midges are kind of enjoyable you think well this year that's the only thing with with scotland but again it's also a bit of a myth because they don't happen every day and every hour no they don't it's literally when like it's rained and there's no wind and that's very rare there's always wind in scotland yeah that's true and do you shoot um or fish yes yeah yeah it's really it's fun yeah fishing's amazing so your great grandma yeah was a great fisher she was used to go fishing didn't she did she yeah i think so the queen mother always yeah if you haven't watched yourself her fishing oh right yeah okay fair enough but i'm very old i didn't know she fished i think she did she was so she was nearly 100 when i mean no she was 102 when she died and i was eight i think so so maybe you wouldn't have known that she was well i think maybe i've got it completely wrong but i seem to think my grandfather was my grandfather loved fishing so i can i i wouldn't put it past any of them that they were amazing fishermen fisher woman fisher fisher people and what is it salmon up there i actually don't know i hope so i think it is yeah scottish salmon oh sorry that's the cat annoying cat what what what he's called print he's called clearly knew there was a princess about so he's here do you have any animals no he's he this is him being like love me yeah he's not he's not he's not um i haven't i have never had cats so what dogs did you have we've um we had damatians at one point we had a jack russell at one point we've got now we've got four five norfolk terriers five not we not we my mom and dad have five norfolk terriers and two corgis because they adopted them are they the queen's corgi yeah how many did she have i mean over the years a lot yeah but in in the last few years it was just these two are corgis nice to kids um yeah yeah these they're they're they're barky barky but and they're big but they're really sweet and they have the they have like big fat fluffy paws and they stand like this yeah i don't think i've ever met a corgi when you see them on the street it's quite i was they're pointy faces and quite short aren't they yeah they've got little little stubby legs yeah why did your family love them so much where did it come from i think has it always been a tradition no my great granny had them and then my granny loved them because of that okay and then that was that was it and then she made it what it is today do you cook i cook yeah so do you cook i did a cooking course did you where um leeds oh yeah i've got a certificate what's your best dish um well i i probably shouldn't say this because like leith was like i learned how to julienne and like okay make everything and like sweat onions and stuff so but now like i like i'm a one pot girl okay shove everything in one pot and what it's normally just like chicken courgettes tomatoes yeah onions garlic all in one pot does augie eat it no i mean he's two and a half of course he doesn't I don't know about your kids but all he likes things kind of in compartments yeah so if I give him a mush of everything he'd just be like oh my god that's too much we're getting out of that and they ate mum's lasagna the other day oh sweet like game changer yeah they said is that your is that your no no no it was just Jessie was away we all grew up liking bolognese and lasagna and everything and they just have never wanted it because they all want the separate bits and bobs but it's yeah they did in that yeah you'll get that Actually, I think it was the best thing I've made for them for a long time.

17:33Yeah. Me and Jack are chili people. We put chili on everything. Do you like spice? Yeah, we love spice. Oh, God. I've made shakshuka. Amazing. But actually, I thought maybe I've not made it hot enough. So there is some hot sauce I think someone gave us at the... Oh, yeah. Yeah, in case we need hotter. Do you go to Mexico then? Because you were involved... Your husband was involved with... Casamigos tequila. I've been once, but nothing to do with tequila. George Clooney Yes but again not through Jack's tequila Is he gorgeous? Yeah You just look at him and he's still Yeah he's George Clooney Yeah But Jack doesn't work for them anymore Jack works now for Discoveryland which is a property company Okay Same people who started Casamigos also started that Do you like tequila?

18:28Yeah I do like tequila This, I think, was what, when we were both at the same wedding, and we were walking up, I swear somebody, you were talking about tequila. Oh, no. No, like... That's classic. Do you drink tequila? Now I do, and I drank too much on Saturday. Which brand? Casa Amigos, I really like Casa Dragones. What was that one from Peckham or Brixton? Oh, El Reo, have you tried it? No. It's a Peckham, a South London one, and they do it, they suggest having it with tonic and a slice of grapefruit. that's a paloma isn't it oh it's kind of it's a bit kind of it's like gin and tonic but tequila tonic but with a little bit but it's not as it hasn't got like juice of a grapefruit but it's really nice in the summer so good can i ask you about your podcast floodlights yes so we are on our second season of floodlights and we have 10 episodes interviewing anyone who basically wanted to talk to us about modern slavery and also what they're doing within the movement to sort of make and affect change.

19:28Why did you decide to do a podcast about that? I set up a charity called the Antislavery Collective with my best friend Jules about, gosh, a long time ago now. And we realised that when we first heard about modern slavery as a term, it was when we had just turned 21, and we were in India and we met this amazing woman who had rescued girls off the street who had been trafficked, and she sort of put them in a home and taught them how to print and make fabrics and make dresses and bags and things like that. And it was the first time I'd really kind of heard about it. I thought, oh, slavery... I hadn't heard of modern slavery.

20:06I'd heard of slavery in school, and we'd learnt about it from the history books and things. And we came back, and we'd start to London, and we'd started learning about it as much as we could, and we realised that someone is enslaved within a mile of where you live. There are 50 million people enslaved in the world today, and that's anything from forced labour, like unfair wages, or exploitation or debt bondage or things like that different terms so it's not just what we have imagined can imagine in our brains and the biggest thing that we were told by anyone in the movement was no one knows about it raise awareness see that they can they can make subtle changes to their lives but also educate themselves and take action and volunteer and do things that can help within the movement it's it's simple things like you know being aware of the fact that you know it could someone could be enslaved at your local nail bar or in a car wash or in construction and things like that it's not something in far-fung places that you might not go to it is it can happen within a mile of where you live in the UK and around you so it's just about just where your clothes from have you asked someone if they're okay if they don't look happy or that kind of thing and it's about empathy and kindness as well and you're on your second series yeah so so you change the subject of your modern like so yes so so each um each episode what we wanted to do was show the world or as many people who want to listen that it's in every sect of society but also that people that they might not expect are talking about it so we for our season one we interviewed anyone from the ceo ex-ceo of asos who does this enormously and is a huge campaigner for it.

21:48We talked to a QC then and a KC now who only prosecutes traffickers and we talked to Emma Thompson for example who has been campaigning against modern slavery for years. It was what we wanted to show was that we can talk to the survivor as well you know let's listen to her story about what she went through but let's also listen to the policemen who found traffickers and people being trafficked in one of the biggest ever modern slavery cases in the modern world. we wanted to show that like it can it's in fashion it's in even in the ocean there's a guy called ian abina who wrote about sea slavery so like it was all it was all to show that it's everywhere but that you can use your voice to change it no matter where you are who you are what you do you do so much for so many different charities i mean how many how many different charities are you a patron for an ambassador for um a lot yeah i mean well so i said the anti-david collective is is the one I founded and then yeah I'm patron for very like other different groups but I I only I kind of focus my energies on just the ones that I know right yeah so I I I guess I say I focus on modern savoring trafficking art or anything within art um bones or backs because I have I have metal rods in my back and conservation so anything that fits into those I try and support as much as I can.

23:14That's quite a lot. Darling, do you definitely not want halloumi? No, for me, but... Let's talk about this because... No, I'm not going to have it. You're not? So you're gluten and dairy-free to support your husband who is gluten and dairy-free. Yeah, he has... But you look very sad about this. So, I just had a baby as well. Yeah. So I don't know about you, but on the post-baby body thing, like, it sends me mad, but I find it really hard to shake baby weight and I guess society dictates that you have to shake your baby weight and all that stuff. So Jack gets really bad migraines so he's gluten and dairy free.

23:56Oh, does it help? Yeah, he hasn't had a migraine for a long time. That's so interesting. Well, everyone's talking about the gut and how it's like a second brain and all this stuff and this gut specialist was like, you need to not eat anything, eat broth and liver and broccoli forever and Jack was like, oh my God, I just can't. It's impossible. It's no way. So miserable. So he kind of came to a realisation where he definitely cut out as much as he could for six weeks and then carry on with gluten-free, dairy-free. So I'm doing it with him and it's working him. And do you feel better? Shouldn't you have that?

24:29Are you still breastfeeding? No, no, no, no. No, I stopped that. Yeah. So it doesn't really matter. When I was breastfeeding, I ate a lot of dairy. Yeah, but does that really? Apparently it translates. Yeah, it translates and the calcium thing i was eating loads of um brownies or i was telling myself i'm gonna eat that third brownie because it's helping the milk right not yeah look we all yeah those first few months are just wild i mean he's only five months yeah he's so sweet he's so sweet did you go to university i did yeah i went to newcastle what did you do i did english politics and history of art oh great did you love I loved it I loved it it was like the oldest one did history of art really university I think was that like that like buffer zone before you had to be a real grown up yeah but you had this like half half living where you could live pretend to be a grown up but you really weren't were you able to kind of have like autonomy there and like be able to kind of like not necessarily be a princess the whole time yeah was that quite nice yeah yeah I lived in halls and then I moved into a house with my six friends had house parties I had a lock on my door um I then yeah I did all the all the normal things yeah I loved it it was it was really special time and then I moved to New York which was even better why did you move to New York that was even more even more reasoning um but to prove to myself that you know I could be usually and have a job and do things and and like go under the radar and know that I could do life.

26:09What was your job there? I worked for a company called Paddle 8 which was an online auction house. Oh yeah, I know it. It was amazing. I did that for two years and I moved back to London to work for my gallery which I work for now Hauser & Worth. That's your gallery? Not my gallery. To work for the gallery I work for now. So what do you do within that? So I'm a director there so I sell art. At Hauser & Worth? Yeah. that's so fun it is so fun it's such an amazing gallery and the artists that we represent are just they're they're out of this world i mean remarkable artists it's so special to work for them i've been um and it's just such a wonderful space as well did you go to the somerset one yeah yeah good food too it's great really good food rothbair is one of the best very very good yeah i'm into it So you live half the year in Portugal.

27:02Yeah. Have you been enjoying the Portuguese food? Love it. So they do this, like their version of a paella, but in these like huge deep pots. Have you had that? Yes, I think. Well, I had like a seafood, like rice. What do they call it? Like arroz? Yeah, but do they call it like, they call it like, they don't call it, it's obviously not called paella, but yeah, it's delicious. It's so good. So when they have these, they bring these like old rickety silver pots and they put them down in front and it's fab all the prawns and clams and mussels and like yumminess and then they also do um black pork oh like yeah like um like really salty crispy pork yum yeah do you go into lisbon to eat or do you have good places so no we we're like we're an hour and ten from lisbon and we're It's very, like, on the sea, seafood, and we never really go into Lisbon.

27:57Ooh. How do you know how to do that? Because it's easy. I wouldn't be able to do that. You would. Really? Yeah. How do you make it? It's with onions, tomatoes, some peppers, some chilli, some garlic, harissa. So if we were coming round to yours, if we were coming round to yours, what would you be making, Lenny and I? For Dins. Oh, I find that really difficult. Would you order in? Yeah. Oh, really? Good, I'm blurred, Jess. No, so I'd probably do my... Should I take an egg? Yeah, of course you should. You should take two. Oh, that's quite runny. Sorry. Is it too runny for you? Do you want to cook it a bit more?

28:41Because they are very runny. Just choose another one. This one? I don't know. They're quite runny, Mum. Are they? Yeah, they are quite runny. Maybe. Eugenie's got the fear. no no don't look see look it looks lovely okay you sure okay fine are you gonna eat it yeah yeah but i'm like i'd literally nearly eat a raw egg so yeah don't worry about me i'm going in the middle do it i think i'll tell you where i definitely know this is gluten-free bread that's not runny at the back there so if you want to are you sure you're happy with that okay this is this is um somebody who works at my label her daughter makes a gluten-free bread and she's called lily and it's called lily's loaf yeah well done lily so tell me okay you would order in no no i i would i'd have to ask you like what you're feeling oh really like what yeah like take requests yes because i my worst is when people like shove food around their plate and kind of go and look at each other like i could have just done something else yeah yeah oh no that's dairy sorry doll well now now i'm gonna do it now so i'm not annoying okay not eat doll you won't be the first person to to to go back you're very welcome wait and then so oh no so me and jack um one of the things that we love doing is jamie oliver's squash and port risotto oh yum oh my god that sounds great so you it's actually it's so good you just um yeah but the only thing is he put pours the stock in and then you have to mix the risotto around and around and around for 18 minutes so it's a little bit annoying but that's a risotto for you isn't it it's just like somebody You told me about one that you didn't have to stir in, like non-stir risotto.

30:20You can put it baked in the oven, darling. So what would you request? If we were cooking for you, what would you be requesting on the menu? I'm obsessed with chips. Chips? Yeah. I would have, when I was younger, I used to eat like that, huddled and covering so no one, like she's created a wall so no one can get her chips. Who was going to steal them? Your mum or your dad? I had a, and please tell me if I sound like an idiot, but I had a policeman called Brian. Brian was with me since I was a little wee and he's sadly no longer with us, but he used to try and eat my chips so much that I would sit huddled over my plate, making sure he would never get them.

31:05That must have been so crazy to grow up with. You don't sound silly at all. You sound like you're a member of the royal family and that's just life and that's kind of how it was. Yeah. They were our best friends. Did you ever rebel? Or want to rebel? Or were you kind of... I think my... My rebellious moment was going to New York, you know. Right. But not because I was rebelling. No. Because I was just... I wanted to see what life was... How to do things, you know. Of course. There's some there if you want. I'm okay, Mum. She's looking. Just have it. Just have it, babe. I'm one of those. I'm one of those.

31:40She's one of them. You, Paloma Fave. Who else is... Who else has faulted? Just one, just a tiny mouthful. Do you want the butter now? No, no, no. You've broken the seal now, babe. Just have the butter. Just have it.

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33:08Do you get fed up that you always have to be presented looking beautiful wherever you go and people are so critical about how you look and what you wear and whether you look tired or whether you look old? I think that definitely has caused a couple of issues around my relationship with having to look a certain way because it's, yeah it is, it's always like, oh that's not a nice outfit or she looked terrible there. That's very cruel though. I guess that's everybody has that if you're in the public eye um I guess in our family it's just it happens at that perfect age where you're you know 13 years old and you've got that dorky bowl haircut and you're a bit chubby and um you know all the boys are bullying you and all that kind of stuff like it's just it's it's it's you you know when all you need is reassurance that you're going in the right direction and you get like the opposite um which is why Portugal is the dream because I can go to the supermarket in my exercise care and my hair part off the top of my head and not mind not care, no one cares So will the children be educated and I'll go to nursery or what's happening?

34:19Or he's at nursery in London Okay, yeah Portugal is hopefully our forever our forever life in terms of half-half we'd love that but obviously I mean not obviously I think I'm going to educate them in England Did you go to boarding school? Yeah Did you enjoy it? I loved it I absolutely loved it Where did you go? Marlborough I loved it Was it always going to be that you were going to go to boarding school? Is that just a done thing? I don't know No Do you think you'd send your kids to boarding school? Yeah Because you had such a good experience At 13 My husband went to boarding school at 8 yeah brutal i mean i would looking at my sons now i want to hang out with them i like playing with them i don't want them to leave but you did have a positive experience there so but from 13 right oh yeah so i'm a little bit older and at that point yeah it was it was amazing to be with to board and then to be with all your friends and have that grown-up sensibility and all that kind of stuff but yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't send them at eight i haven't told jack that you'll find out can i ask you where you like to eat in when you go out do you go out for dinner a lot yeah um not anymore it used to go out a lot you've got two young kids um yeah and also like your 30s all of a sudden you just everything is so much harder like how old are you 33 I like going to bed now at like nine.

35:53I'm such a loser. I get into bed when I put the kids to sleep. I'll get into my bed. My favourite place is my bed. And then just watch something. And just kind of be like ready to be asleep by nine. But when do you eat? With your children? I eat at five o 'clock. Oh, that's so cool. Mum thinks it's really weird. I love it. I like it for digestion. My friends do that and I think it's really cool. Do you eat really late? We eat after the children have gone to bed. but they're still that they're too young for it to be like a fun look it's not fun it's not fun our dinners are not fun but I love that whole let's all sit down together yeah do you get into bed and thrash who with?

36:34on your own? no sleeping thrash no no no like when I get when I get really excited to get into bed I thrash oh right oh I can't say I'm a thrasher I'm a there are two kinds of people I'm a sloth they're a you know no i just kind of like a slug sloth and i just get in and then i kind of don't move i mean literally my i i could just i could just be there the whole time me too i could it's like it's like an olympic sport sleeping for me i could win for great britain how are you sleeping at the moment like a log so what is he like to find the cold patches in the bed you know i always get a leg out yeah i see your feet are still cool yeah um is he sleeping through the night then i think i've got magic children who take after me and jack they love sleeping they love sleeping they sleep till well Augie's up a bit early but Ernie sleeps till 8 in the morning wow and he's not feeding in the night anymore not in the night they are my children I think they heard me say when they were in my tummy you will sleep because if I don't sleep I'm a dragon I'm a dragon sleep's integral to me so when you would eat out where would you like to go so this is a very good question do you like Mexican food?

37:50love Mexican food where was your first date with Jack? good question we went to a place called Osterio Basilico in Notting Hill I don't know it it's had the best pasta with like courgettes tomatoes prawns right up your street yeah and it's on the corner one street across from Portobello right oh nice that's quite romantic what time of year was it? ooh May round May and yeah because we'd met in March the optimism of spring early summer yeah and I remember like it was very one of the I was only 21 or 20 and it was like is he going to text me and like you know when you text through your friends did you ever do that?

38:31what? to meet your boyfriend at the time I used to text so go on so we met through a couple and I used to text her and Jack used to text him to get in touch with each other oh cute yeah yeah it was really sad Scott you met him quite young then like you'd just finished uni no I was still at uni I was mid mid mid mid yeah right so we we met when I was 20 he was 24 and now I'm 33 and he's 37 and the order was prawn tomato courgette prawn tomato courgette pasta I remember it really clear because the prawns are really small and I used to think that was kind of cute um and so we go there I haven't been there for ages actually maybe you need to go yeah we're going to go on a date but yeah so you're there and then we like going to this chinese place at the bottom of our road um called mingjang and then where else is that in kensington kensington um and then otherwise we like to like you know go to like friends places so our friends have an amazing pub called the pelican um on all saints road where's all saints road notting hill notting The Pelican's supposed to be very fab And that's your mate Good food?

39:45Amazing, we went there for lunch the other day What we do is we like shove the children in bed And then run out and get Well not run out, someone is in the house And then we go out and we got We had such a sweet Sunday pub lunch It was so nice Which is very un-us Jack quite likes pubs But it's not like I live for pubs What's your cocktail of choice? Tequila on the rocks with lime. Oh my god, you sound like a housewife of Beverly Hills and I'm here for it. It's great. Well, I guess... What kind of tequila? Princess Eugenie. Yeah, yeah. Casamigos. Yeah. It's so good. Yeah. It's Casamigos. Because that's only when we have boxes and boxes of it at home.

40:27But I don't drink it at home. I drink it out. Yeah. But I wouldn't go... No. If I'm in a restaurant, I wouldn't order Casamigos on the rocks. I'd probably order... Wine? No. Oh, you mean for an aperitif? Yeah, I'd order like a gin and tonic or a vodka soda lime or something like that. And then it's like after dinner, I'd go into the Casamigos on the rocks. Potty potty. Yeah. Did you used to go out dancing? Yeah. Where did you go out dancing? Did you do Mahiki with Harry? No, Bougie. No, wasn't it Mahiki? No, it was Bougie on King's Road. Yeah, I mean, oh, it's so sad. You did it. Come on, no, it's not sad.

41:06I did it all. Yeah, Mahiki and Bougie. Um, and they were great times. And now I've got two kids and I'm in my thirties and I like being at home. You're young. I have to say that it's quite fun. Um, my favourite kind of club now, not that it's a club, but my favourite time of like dance party is in like a foreign country. Cause they're always these like, they're easier to get into. There's less anxiety and like an outdoor nightclub. Yeah. Like you can be on the beach or something with your friends rather than, yeah. Right. I don't know. I think you should try homoblog, babe. It's wicked. Jessie!

41:40It's a wicked rave. You should go if you want to dance. You should have to have a security there. Can I have a bit more? Of course you can. Should I give that for my egg? That'll be really hard, yeah. Do you think it's cooked now? Yeah. Can I ask you? You have to go and meet people that you've never met before. Small talk. What's your first thing you say to them as a kind of small talk thing? What's your kind of opening line? Because you have to meet so many people you don't know. Yeah, so it's an art form, small talk. Yeah. And we're very good at it in our family. Very good at it. Did you get trained by the queen?

42:13No. No. But obviously we learnt a lot from how to do things from granny and grandpa. But actually, it's more like when you're talking to someone, like right now everyone's wearing the brooches, poppy brooch. Okay. Where did you get that from? Well, that's beautiful. Yeah, actually yours is gorgeous. Yours is gorgeous. I noticed. or something like oh I love your haircut or like I think that sounds really bad but I'm trying to think I'm going to something on Thursday and yeah so it's an army related thing so I'm I always at that point I'll channel it into oh what regiment are you from do you know all the regiments?

42:54no that's the point oh I like you know that means you're an engineer really doesn't it oh great you're an engineer I like bridges, bridges are really interesting aren't they amazing isn't it cool that people can build tunnels under the water blah blah yeah okay yeah but do you find people are so i think that when you sometimes you find people who are just not interested in what you've got to say at all not don't ever ask you a question about yourself but i imagine it's the opposite for you that they're very nosy no or scared to ask yeah i think it's more okay not us i my favorite kind of dinner or small talk moment is listening to them.

43:34So like, you know, one mouth, two ears type thing. Like, ask a question and then Yeah, and listen. That's why you're a podcaster. Do you think you'd do another podcast that maybe wasn't as serious? With your mum? I would love to. Although, I have heard that podcasting, when it's so successful, is when you are no holds bars. Is that the right term? No holds barred? No holds barred. no holds barred and I just don't think I'd be able to give everything to it I definitely want to keep things for myself we've always been taught that just to not give the world doesn't need to know everything about us that's true Jessie you should take a tip no thank you I'm not a princess I think also yeah the way we've been brought up is to just I don't need to overshare although I've told you a lot of things I'm here for everything you've told us and you're fascinating and brilliant you haven't overshared at all can I ask something it might be a bit rude I don't think it is a bit rude but as the royal family as more young do you think you are modernising do you think you're I mean like you've said I wouldn't send my children to boarding school till they're 13 so do you think there is changes in attitudes and it's becoming more modern well um I think with each change of monarch and it's less about modernizing and more about um becoming one with what what the monarch what the monarch believes in um and I think my uncle and my cousin are amazing examples of that for the future and the way they've been brought up and the work they believe in it's not like they're thinking oh god we're gonna modernize it it's just they they're moving with their belief systems are what the world believes in and that couldn't be better for her because your uncle your i mean your uncle the king was trailblazing about food, organic food, you know, the Dutchie, all those organic biscuits and food and products and everything.

45:55And actually the example that he set, now my cousin sets in terms of conservation and everything, is exactly the way we should be thinking. Yeah. So I think, yeah, I guess it comes with naturally, which is your belief system and how you see yourself. You'd have to be pretty immune to the world if you didn't. Yeah. change as the world changes last supper we ask everybody the last supper question I'm still eating is that alright? yeah of course you are going off to a desert island for a very long time so you're going to have the last supper your heavenly supper before you leave a starter, a main, a pud and a drink of choice ok I ask this for people by the way when I have nothing else to talk about this is part of your small tour yeah if I'm in a really boring dinner I'll go to this one so probably mac and cheese to start from a particular place well I actually really like the one they have at Soho House because they have it in a pan they bring it to you in a deep pot like a skillet that's like the one at Burner's In Burner's Tavern like that and they bring it to you and it's like really creamy and creamy and cheesy and dairy and full of dairy I haven't heard that for a while you're going off somewhere I'm dying right?

47:14no you don't have to be dying oh I can be on a desert island you can be going to a desert island so yeah okay so mac and cheese mac and cheese and then I'd probably have roast chicken with everything like a proper roast dinner yeah everything yeah like stuffing stuffing bread sauce sausages bread sauce with the bacon wrapped around the sausages roast potatoes gravy who does the best roast potatoes in the whole family? oh not me is your mum a good cook? no dad? no would you have somebody else cooking for you? no I'd have to eat that food no we like our like ritual is is kitchen dinners so okay baked potatoes in the oven yeah yeah scrambled eggs like salad-y bits things like that and then like a big mix and match because you're out so much eating big posh dinners that you don't want all the time.

48:11And that was like our tradition. Not tradition but it's the nine o 'clock bell and we all trial through and go and get all our yummy food. So when you went to the Pelican what did you have for lunch? What was your order? I had turbot. I love turbot. On the bone which is slightly terrifying. You know with the fish head. Oh no! Yeah. And then triple cooked chips which are just ridiculously good. Rice cooked chips. And then lettuce, butter lettuce with mustard vinaigrette. Yes. It's so good. I love butter lettuce. What did you have for Pud? Salty caramel mousse. No, chocolate mousse with a salted caramel drizzle.

48:53Oh, my word. Really good. Really good. So what would you have for your pudding? What's your favourite? Oh, wait, I haven't... Yeah, roast chicken. This is my Desert Island thing. Desert Island, like... And there's this thing called a lemon goo. What, like the goo that... Like Cillabub or... No, no, no. No, no, no. no no sorry sorry terribly explained so um you know like a key lime pie yeah it's like that but it's lemon and it's got ginger bread a ginger nut biscuit yeah with a digestive biscuit crumb is it a supermarket or you make it i make it wow so how do you do the lemon i don't i don't make it andrew makes it for and is it lemon is it with gelatine in no no so it's like um how do I explain it?

49:37Like a lemon custard? No. Lemon curd? No. Posset. Like that but like harder. So it's just lemon with cream? Yeah. But on a ginger and yeah lovely. And then what I do is I get two digestive biscuits and I rub them together and then the crumbs will come on top. Oh wow. With some raspberries. Oh. My mum taught me that one. Very good. I like that. And drink? drink of choice would be Diet Coke probably really? you're not a Coke Zero gal or a Coke Zero I was about to change my mind I'm now a Coke Zero gal you don't have wine maybe I would but you don't like wine really no I like wine but I think you don't I do like wine are you sure?

50:18but for Death Row meal I'd want like all the bottles okay you can have them and then I'd have a white and a red and a pink champagne where do you stand on air fryers? have you got one? no what are they? I think they're things what are they actually? I don't really know they basically cook things very quickly like roast dinner but without all the oil yeah because I'm thinking of getting one that sounds interesting have you never heard of one? I don't think so do you have a chef? would you ever want one? I think if I was going to have anything I'd have someone stew my hair all the time me too and makeup love that I just want someone to live in with me if I could if I had all the money in the world I'd have a full time hair person me too living upstairs yeah me too yeah I wouldn't mind about food so I can do that I can't do my hair yeah I love yeah I like full time hair and I also like someone who puts the dustbins out yeah my husband does that you should get out of there yeah you live on your own and you're schlepping them out

51:31They did these on Bake Off this week. Jesus, you really did buy the Gales cinnamon buns, babes. We bought, well, we thought six was a good idea. They're massive, aren't they? Everyone should have one. Tell us about why you bought cinnamon buns. Because I have, like, a deep love and affection for them. Because? Because when I was pregnant, I had one a day, probably. They are very good. Would you like another tea? Oh, yeah. Right, I'll make you one. What's this? I don't know. You have a little. That's dairy fruit. And coconut blend. Yum. That is not yum, but you're being very enthusiastic. There were kind of 24 plums, but they seem to have gone a bit jammy.

52:11This looks really fun. I don't know what it's like. Taste it. I think coconut's always a bit better than oat. What is it? Oat and coconut. Oh, my God, that is so good. Is it? Yeah. Oh, you can take it home. Thank you very much. Take it out, quick. Is that too strong? Should I get it out now? Yes. Perfect. We're supposed to only just go in for a sec. That's great. I think that's a bit strong now. No, no, no, please. It's really good. It's really good. That I like. Yes, that's perfect. Princess Eugenie, can we ask... Eugenie. Sorry, Eugenie. Eugenie. Princess Eugenie. Eugenie. Oh, P-Eugenie. P-Eugenie.

52:47P-Eugenie. Eugenie. Eugenie. Can I ask you about a nostalgic taste or scent from your childhood? or somewhere that can transport you back to somewhere good or bad. Oh my gosh.

53:04Probably like the smell of canteen. But from boarding school. Yeah. You know that smell of cleaning liquid with burgers. Not a good smell. Do you like karaoke? I love karaoke. I actually did karaoke the other night. Why? Where were you? I don't know why. I haven't done it for so long. And my friend, I went to my friend's house and her dad really likes karaoke. And so after dinner, they put the song on and they had like a whole, they had a singing teacher there and everything. No, stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's amazing. That's what we need. And so she got it started and everyone was kind of dragging their heels a bit.

53:43And I hadn't drunk enough, so I was hiding in the corner and then the tequila hit and it was like, right, now's my moment. I'm going to. Which song? Eminem, Lose Yourself. Oh my God. you went through oh my god it was and i obviously i don't sing it properly when i'm like on my own because my tummy muscles were like he is a genius how he gets all those words out yeah i it was so bad so i and then i resurrected it with oasis after that so which one wonderwall and did the singing teacher um help you with breath control no oh crap no she just she got it all just starting and like then left us like then just was standing in the corner and then would come on and sing really good songs is that a bit annoying i mean no no because it was funny and it was like everyone was like dancing and singing along and it was like part of the whole vibe sounds very fun what was this like a wednesday night no this was a friday night at a friend's house very unusual though and very on me but i loved it oh that's great was jack there and what did he i made him do lose yourself with me oh he literally was looking at me like why have you done this to us anyway what was your cake at your wedding it was a half chocolate half red velvet oh yeah wow yeah i don't like um fruit cake right yeah yeah i hate fruit cake did you have to eat a lot when you were younger christmas oh well i don't know just the the cherry thing i love it no do you like christmas pudding then yes now but that's like a grown-up thing like when i was younger I used to hate like bits with yogurt actually there you go okay bits and orange juice bits and yogurt you don't like it does that is that your nostalgic can you the really proper dessert then haven't I no but I like yogurt it's got no bits okay and it's not orange juice okay um and like they used to scare me you know so I used to be quite picky where will you go for Christmas with the family all get together Norfolk oh Norfolk yeah and will there be have you got any really good Christmas traditions.

55:47We've all got a church on Christmas Day. We open all our presents on Christmas Eve. Why? Christmas Eve? Yeah. I don't know. I think it might be a tradition from Queen Victoria, maybe. I actually don't know the ins and outs of it, but that is always what we've done. That's nice. Christmas Eve I prefer to Christmas Day, actually. When does your Christmas tree go up? First of December. Yeah. well this Christmas tree's up already have you? yeah I went past a house in Hamburg Road and there's a Christmas tree up already, people get very enthusiastic my husband has been known to put it in late November he loves Christmas thank you so much for coming and doing this podcast it's been a total treat to meet you for you to be you were so generous with everything you told us as well and I really appreciate it thank you, what's the rest of your day looking like?

56:40today I will probably go do some work I probably need to do some work and look after my kids and I think go to bed really early again oh yeah I'm with you babe I've got my waitrose order coming so I'm really excited what's in the waitrose order? that's what I need to know what's a regular? we do one order a week and everybody piles on everything they can on Sunday night and it comes Monday morning but Sunday is quite sad looking at my fridge so last night we got a curry I never do I never eat them Jack and I were literally sitting for an hour on Deliveroo like what on earth does this mean how do they get into Kensington Palace or do they have to go through we ring down and we say there's a Deliveroo coming and then we'll get in our pyjamas and drive down and go and pick it up they won't bring it to you bloody hell no we could walk but I don't want to be in my pyjamas you know outside but they don't bring it to you No.

57:38Oh, God, I wouldn't. Anyway, Sunday nights are quite sad, but waitress order is normally like, I mean, yeah, nothing really interesting on there, like chicken, sausages. Always. Always. Potatoes, onions, garlic. I'm not allowed onion and garlic in my parents' house. Why? Because they worry about the breath. Oh, God, no champagne, no onions, no garlic. Life is tough for the royals. I guess because you're constantly in public roles, you've got to think about. Yeah. You didn't think about it the other day. Oh, God, stop. I had really garlic breath on a photo shoot. Oh, no. It was horrendous. You nearly knocked me out.

58:14I was not very kind. But it was not very nice. It wasn't very... You literally told the whole... She's so respectful of thinking about other people and your breath. Oh, no, I'll eat the garlic, and then I'll pop a mint in and pray that no one smells me. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming. I would really like to come to Hausermwerth. Yes. And I would like to see you again. Yes, me too. And I would like us to become friends. Me too. And I would like you to come to my show. Okay, good. And I would like this to carry on. So I can come back maybe for lunch when we don't have microphones as well? Absolutely.

58:46Yeah. Oh, you can go to my house for lunch. Love it. It's your house for lunch. Oh, yeah, I better order in now. Thank you so much. And good luck with the new series. Thank you.

59:09Now, just so you know, you may hear little children in the background. My children have just come because they've got an inset day at the end of half term, which is just annoying. So sorry for the noise. I loved Princess Eugenie. She was lovely. She told me to call her Eugenie. Gave her my number. I really enjoyed chatting to her. I found her really warm and lovely and interesting. I knew she'd be fun. Yeah, she was fun. She's just easy, wasn't she? Yeah. Thank you so much to Princess Yush for coming on the podcast. Everyone should go and listen to Floodlights and everyone should go to Hazel and Worth and eat the food as well because it's really good.

59:49And I'm going to refer to her as the princess because I've never had a princess in my house before and probably never will again. Wow, she wanted to come over for another lunch, didn't she? A delight, an absolute delight. Loved her. We should have done her a roast chicken. When she said, well, do you do this in the evening as well? I thought we could have had her over and had a few tequilas. She looked a bit sad not to be upset about the tequila. Yeah, a few tequilas. Pardon, you were already on them. Tequila. Thank you so much for listening. We shall see you next week. I'm giving you a royal wave goodbye.

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