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1:05Hello and welcome back. I hope you are sufficiently stuffed after Christmas. That sounds terrible, Jessie. Why? I hope you're sufficiently stuffed after Christmas. I'm talking about food. What are you talking about? That sounds awful, darling. It just sounds rather vulgar. I was literally talking about food. Do people stuff food down their faces? We do, yeah. Oh, that's true. Welcome to Table Mathers. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here in Lenny's house and she's on vegan cooking duty. How's it been, Mum? Less traumatic than the last one. I think I'm probably going to write a vegan cookbook, darling.

1:41Moosewood Lookout. Who? Moosewood or Mousewood. Who's Mousewood? Mousewood Cafe's in San Francisco and they've got a cookery book that Jill looks at and they've got a new edition and it's very vegan. Jill is your friend who's vegetarian. My friend Jill, who's vegetarian, who gave me this recipe today okay what is the recipe so it's roasted cauliflower actually wanted you to fry it in butter but i thought no no no not for the buttons not vegan well yeah so i roasted it and it's with rose rose harissa and it's on a bed of i love it when you say a bed cashew nut hummus yeah and then um freaka with so it's a hummus it's a hummus tonight it is to confirm this is a hummus but it's a cashew nut hummus and then you put freaker on top i had to order freaker on delivery people because the normal supermarket i go to only sold it in 1.8 kilos which was 15 eating freaker i didn't think i'd be eating that much freaker i thought i freaked out very good um should i just tell you what i've been up to this week no i've finished my menu I've been at that all day, darling.

2:57You're going to hear the whole lot. Carry on. And the next thing I've made is lovely John Gregory's butternut squash salad with tahini, pomegranate and olives and pine nuts. Fab. That has got a tahini dressing. Okay. And then I've made some shaved sprouts with hazelnut cheddar, vegan cheddar. Yeah, that's where you may have lost me. It might not be as sharp, but look. Just sometimes they taste like sick, don't they? Well, it doesn't taste like sick. I tasted it. It was all right, but it's a very funny consistency. And then it's got hazelnuts in as well. Fab. This sounds great, Mum. Yeah, and you brought...

3:37Well, I brought something that looks very ugly. Yeah, it does. But, Mum, I'm completely obsessed with the New York Times cooking app. It's changed my life. I told you. Not only do little things pop up, you've now discovered Melissa Clark. I have discovered Melissa Clark amongst many other brilliant chefs. And today I had so many courgettes in the fridge. Thanks to this amazing delivery box. You just put in courgette and it comes up with a recipe. Yeah, I did grated courgette, bring all the water out. You just do onions and courgettes, some salt and pepper and some chilli flakes. And you just sweat it out for like 30 minutes.

4:14So it's quite mushy, but it's sweet and it's kind of caramelised. and then you just have it with white beans so I use the Bold Bean Company beans that I love. Was that Melissa Clark? I'll check I'm not sure actually and then lemon and loads of herbs and I had loads of herbs so I put basil mint and parsley in there and but you could have put dill in there and stuff like that and it's just really fresh and nice and it is just an extra. Shall we say who we've got on? Yeah. We have a friend of mine who has been doing music very successfully since she was a teenager she was in is in she is in a band called the xx which were probably one of the coolest bands ever and i used to wear the x merch all the time romi is an amazing singer songwriter she was one of the first people that i collaborated with um when did we write together we wrote together ages ago anyway she's a really good friend but she's also a massive fan of the podcast.

5:10Her and her wife Vic listen to the podcast on their long drives so I think she'll be very excited about tonight. Romy also has her own album out called Midair which is one of my favourite albums of 2023. It is everything that Romy loves, Euro pop, dance, dance euphoria, amazing pop licks, it's like it's amazing and so we'll be talking to her about that we'll be talking about about food about being a vegan I think she's been a vegan for a while actually and growing up in South London um being part of one of the most successful bands in the world I wonder what they were eating as teenagers on their rider whether that's definitely changed now Romy coming up on Table Manners

6:10cheers Romy's actually in the flesh on the podcast cheers thank you for having me now Vic your lovely wife where is she oh she sends her love we have to give her a shout out oh yes she'd love that we listen together all the time we we're always in the car together doing long journeys and like it's a go to to have you both with us in the car oh thanks doll of course you've just come back from America yeah the tour looked amazing well so did your tour it's not about me tonight Rommie where did we start where did you start out started the tour in LA a couple of sold out nights where first show of the tour the El Rey oh yeah have you done the El Rey yeah but like the thing is it's like it must be interesting for you Rommie because you've come from being in one of the biggest touring bands and then doing like headlining shit and then you're doing your club yeah which is a bit more intimate yeah the L Ray is probably quite an intimate setting that you're probably not used to but is it quite nice playing it's so nice you know I think it's been amazing to like the place that we got to with the XX like the venues we were playing and like what we've been able to do as a band is like so far beyond what I could have dreamt like it is I'm so proud of it but it felt really good to just start again and like feel like okay figure out like how am I doing this in a different way and like to feel really nervous and to be like what am I doing and like you know I spoke to Jesse after a show like one of these festivals I did like proper Jewish pushy mother things no but it was amazing because like this is kind of different for me to be up the front without a guitar on and like moving around yeah and I was like feeling quite self-conscious after a show and Jesse was you were just amazing you were like be more of a pop star you're a pop star and i was like just to vote you've just been so amazing and supportive so and were you more of a pop star in this american i tried my best i tried to channel jesse's energy who in your mind because i pretend when i'm being a pop star i pretend i'm either lady gaga or beyonce in moments okay who was your diva that you were channeling i'm always thinking about them yeah beyonce lady gaga madonna oh my God, have you seen them?

8:22They're always with me somewhere. But the thing is that I'm not the kind of person that thinks that I could be that. I'm still, like, tentatively, like, dipping into it. So I'm just trying to, like, get them all comfortable. But it must be hard if you've been in a band. With her best friends. With your best friends. And so you always go out as a three, you support each other. To do on your own must be a whole different... Yeah, it's been really different. But I think it's been fun to, like, just to feel that kind of, like, completely out of my depth. And just to try and be like, I can do it. But it's quite different to the XX, which I think also, and you know, you learned to DJ before you put out Midair, which is amazing.

8:59You were DJing. You've always loved clubbing and club culture. And obviously Jamie was doing his thing in the clubs. And like you would always, you know, it's part of your, it's part of your makeup. Like that's just like growing up. But then for you, I love that you went and honed in on the skills. like you went and became a DJ whilst also top lining for Dua Lipa and getting Grammy like nods I mean like doing everything but also just learning how to DJ and then you incorporate that into your new show it's amazing. Jessie you're my hype woman thank you. I am because Alex actually rang me my son today who said how fabulous you are and he told me that you'd be nominated for Grammy.

9:41Yes. Is it this time? Yeah. Which one are you up for? Best dance recording oh my god that's amazing yeah it's for strong um which is on my album it's with fred again um yeah it's a good Alex knew it's fred again as well yeah Alex is obsessed with fred as well why everyone's obsessed with fred I think you're doing amazingly and that's unbelievable that you're up for a grammy and I'm so proud of you and that's just like so deserved let's start talking about food shall we yeah I love that when did you turn vegan on and off like sort of seven years? I don't know. Is there a reason you started? I think I was just kind of curious about, I kind of felt like I wanted to eat less meat and then I started researching into it, then I started thinking about sort of the animal welfare side and then I started getting really like, actually, this feels like counterintuitive for me to eat meat.

10:32And then I moved to the countryside and then I was like walking through fields being like, oh, I was like, oh, no, I can't eat you. I can't eat you. You've got lovely eyelashes. Does Vic, does she eat meat? uh no so um yeah yeah yeah we've been like been occasionally i don't know occasionally eat fish was that segan and i'm joking it's like it's like i thought it was a pescatarian yeah yeah no segan sorry i was like where's segan should i know about it oh you're a segan no i've never heard of a segan is that a thing no i don't know i'm just checking something sorry i like that yeah segan you're a segan i've never heard it i'm into it occasionally in a nice place i'd have a bit of fish like I'm not like rigid what would be your go-to dish if you saw on a menu you'd be like I've got to have it those prawns or what would it be there's this place sushi place in LA called sugar fish have you been there oh yeah I love it yeah it's not like the fanciest place in the world but there's some crab cut rolls that I don't know Vic and I had it there like a few years ago and we both looked at each other and I was like are you emotional and I was like why do you look like that we both had this moment that we know something's so good and you just look at each other so we call it emotional crab emotional crab so it's um but yeah so i think i that would be yeah stuff like that you haven't been able to find emotional crab in london maybe i'm not looking in the right place what's a vegan christmas dinner nut roast of course and that's like that's like for like a like a pub like sunday roast or something you can get really good ones back your childhood who was around the dinner table and what were you eating so when I was growing up where did you go so I grew up in Wandsworth so like it's actually coming back here this is this is lovely so yeah um just near like East Putney tube station sort of and like used to always come out down through like Clapham Junction and everything so this feels very nice to come back here but I didn't have like the most typical childhood I think like my mum well my mum was a primary school teacher and um worked a lot and my dad was kind of he had depression and like struggled with alcohol addiction and so I think it was a little bit turbulent at home sometimes and like my mum did her best yeah it's just me I'm my only child but so my mum did her best and like you know both of them did but like I don't I wouldn't say that like food wasn't like the top priority so it's something that I've gotten more into and enjoyed more like later on um he did on and off yeah he worked um in libraries and like as a translator like a language translator but yeah he it was a bit yeah it wasn't the easiest and then my mum died when I was 11 like really unexpectedly yeah so then I went to live with my auntie and uncle and my cousin Lottie who I know Lottie's an amazing writer writes lots of queer kind of I mean she she's a journalist she was a journalist I mean you can speak about your cousin to explain to me Lottie's amazing yeah Lottie's amazing and um is like a sister to me and like you know has been a real role model and and like you know is a lesbian as well and it's just like how old is she she's seven years older than me so just uh early 40s big sister yeah big sister and she's lovely she'll be loving the shout out she's amazing um so i went so she was pleased when you came yeah so i went to live well she was just going to university at that time but i went to live with my auntie and uncle and then after about two or three years my dad I'm so proud of him for this he did like get sober and like really worked on himself and I went back to live with him again and like it's quite nice to like think about the times that we had together again when like he was kind of you know when we were back together and I and I thought about this and I have nice memories of sitting with him at the dinner table and he'd always put on a record and like I thought that that was normal that he'd have music on yeah i agree with you we used to have music not we wouldn't put on like a vinyl record what are some of the albums that you remember him putting on it was very eclectic like it was very like he was very open-minded we went through like all different genres it was like you know he went he'd like start at like the beginning of someone's career and end up it was like education yeah but like quite silent like you know like he was a quite a quiet person so what sort of music i mean he loved like you know all like the rolling stones all the classics but then like he also went on to like had a Madonna phase so he was like well if I'm gonna listen to Madonna I'm gonna listen to everything so then we'd get in we got into confessions on a dance floor together like you know it was just it was very beautiful sometimes I think if I'd liked folk music I wonder if Jesse would be a folk singer yeah the picture you've painted of you and your dad kind of eating maybe the eating wasn't the most important thing but having that moment together and putting on a record yeah and him kind of his language of love being like teaching you and exploring music yeah and you've gone on to be an incredible musician yeah so he died when I was 20 oh Rami that's why I said like I have it's not the most typical childhood I just I find it really hard to talk about to be honest because it's just like sometimes you know someone asks me at a dinner party or in a in a sort of Christmas party environment what do your parents do it's quite a well it's not the lightest chat but I mean that's the sort of reality and like that's all I know and I know that's made me who I am but there was a legacy wasn't there oh yeah thank you but you know I think those memories that I have and you get older and you appreciate those times and thinking back to that dinner table experience of listening to music and although he wasn't so talkative like the amount he would have been telling me through the music and the way I listen to music now you know and I go to other people's houses now I'm like where's the music like and everyone's just talking and it was just sort of different for me She put some music up there.

16:23If we weren't doing a podcast, do you play music at the dinner table now? Yeah, now I'm really on it with ambience. I really think about lighting, music, and I love that stuff. But isn't it funny that the XX, I feel like, were the dinner party record? Yeah. It was the one that everyone could put on and feel incredibly cool, and it worked, and that doesn't take anything away from the music. it was you became this soundtrack to so many people's gatherings and you must know that though right I've had lots of like people come up to me and say like I mean it's I love hearing different ways people have like listened to music and what it's meant I don't know if you've had this but there was a phase of time where quite a lot of people would come up to me after a gig and be like um this is our kid and I'm like okay and they're like this they were conceived to your music like you know like they really wanted to tell me that they'd like had sex Jessie would love I mean, I love that.

17:18That would be Jessie's greatest thrill. How did you feel about that? I mean, it's just hard when someone's really close to you and really proud of the fact that the two of them have had sex. And you're like, okay, that's great. It's very intimate. Well, I'll tell you what I had. Love it. On Sunday, I had somebody tell me that after my gig... They threw up. No. He orgasmed twice. Oh my God! Over the course of my five records, they had sex for essentially nearly five hours. Why did he tell you this? Because he was very proud of himself and he was a huge fan. What an odd thing to do. And I said, what, even my acoustic one about my unborn child, that worked?

17:53He was like, it worked, babe. And... It makes me feel slightly odd. Congratulations. I think congratulations to them doing this. Who could cook in your family the best? Was your auntie good? You know, I didn't, like... Is she going to be listening? I mean, everyone, like... Tried their best. Everyone tried their best. I'm not going to say anyone's, like, the best cook in the world. You know, fair to say. But I'm going to give a shout out to Vic, who is the best cook of my family. How sweet. So, no, but she loves it and she genuinely enjoys it. And that is like a love language of hers. So where did you get married and what was the food like?

18:29So we got married just at the end of lockdown, when you could just be together again. We got married in a aircraft hangar, but like a beautiful one. So you had a big lot of people. Sounds a bit like industrial. sounds like you needed a big place to celebrate it was um it was amazing it was like a family friend of vick's had this field and she is in her 70s and fly small planes and it's just allegedly and we went and hung out with her and she was just really cool and um she said yeah no worries you can like use the the kind of where they keep the planes and this big field and so we were able to like set up tents there and just have all of our friends and family so was it like a festival it was quite festival like and i guess after all that time of like you haven't been able to go to festivals or be together it was quite special and oliver and jamie performed and jamie dj'd yeah what was the first dance you're allowed to share this first dance was do you know that song under your spell from the film drive it's like yes i do it's like the girl singing yeah i I don't eat, I don't sleep, I do nothing but think of you.

19:39Yeah, so good. So that's our friend Megan who sang that. The band is called Desire, so she came and she sang that. How fun. So it was really nice to have live music and everyone together. Food, yes. Sorry, back to food. We had, I'm not going to say inflict. My instinct was to say inflict, but it was vegan. Everyone ate vegan. Fair enough. It was delicious. It was a caterer that Vic knew from where she grew up, and it was just really delicious. Are you strict like you wouldn't have butter in anything and you wouldn't have milk? I mean, I wouldn't. Do you worry about cows? I mean, that's a great question.

20:13Yeah, I think she does worry about cows. You don't just have vegan wine? No, I'm not like, yeah, I wouldn't pour it away. Don't make her feel guilty now. No, I know someone that wouldn't use honey in shower gel. And I was like, I think, I don't. I mean, fair play if that's how you are. But I was like, I'm just going to use the shower gel. Yeah, fine. You got signed in your teens, didn't you? I remember coming to one of your first shows. I think it was either like a single launch. Do you remember when you played Under the Arches on the Westway? Oh, my God, yeah. And it was like in this kind of working man's club or something like that.

20:50I feel like it was one of the first gigs and our mutual friend, your manager, Caius, was so excited about these kids. But you were teenagers, right? Yeah, I mean, we were like, I think, well, Oliver and I were 14. 15 when we first started writing songs for the XX and then we met Kias and started working with him when I must have been 17 and then we released our first album when I was 20 okay so so it took a bit a bit of time but like yeah we were just for ages we were just like writing songs and playing in pubs and playing like all around here like and you were at Elliot at Elliot yeah it was funny though because we kept it quite secret from the school we weren't like the school band I think We were quite shy about it.

21:31There was definitely people that were the band people. And I was like, we didn't tell our friends about the gigs in the local pubs. We just awkwardly did them. And then it kind of grew. But it's kind of mad, to be honest, considering how shy and how secretive we were that he went on to what we've done. Yeah, I mean, you always had this beautiful friendship, which is still there. And you're like brother and sister, aren't you? Yeah, I did. You were, and still are, like the coolest band and it was just you were teenagers and it was kind of i remember i mean when the record came out you were 20 what was on the rider when you're a 20 year old that's about to be the coolest band in the world what are you asking for on your rider did you take any liberties were you always quite sensible you know that like spiced rum that's like what sailor jerry's yeah like that was in one of like the first us tour we did i remember there being like some sort of like giant tankard like milk jug size thing of sailor jerry's and just drinking that with like full fat coke and just now the idea of that is like whoa that's turbo i don't know what we're up to then what do you like to drink now besides champagne you're not one of these tequila people no actually good did you keep it real pure just champagne i mean i mean i sound you know that's that's one bit of diva i can have then i think that is beautiful i like it i love champagne I just really like champagne It makes you feel happy Why is that?

23:00I don't know I don't know what it is but it just makes you feel Different Is that your favourite drink? I do like champagne but I do think it gives you bad breath It's got like, you know what I mean, that champagne breath Yeah, so I kind of feel like You have to have a mint with you If you're going to socialise with champagne That's a good shout So back to Vic Directing the new video which stars an ex-Table Manor's guest, Maisie Williams. Oh, amazing. So where did you film it? Do you know what? We filmed it in Kingston. Which club? It's like, it used to be that... Prism. Yeah, it's Prism. Oh my God.

23:34That's where you always do the Banquet Records acoustic thing. So basically I went and did a DJ set at Banquet Records when we were doing the launch of the album. And I was like, what is this club? I mean, I grew up going to Kingston to the shopping centre and stuff and loads of people used to hang out outside the shopping centre and stuff. so I had like I was like wow I'm going back to Kingston and then I was in there and it's like it's actually amazing it's like kind of what you would imagine the um film version of an 80s club like neon like you know like mirror balls that are saturns like just really all the stuff you want over the top and a bit garish but yeah in the best way possible and we were like thinking like okay it'd be great to sort of have a video that kind of captures the kind of club feeling and celebrate the queer club and kind of what we've been, the energy we've been creating in the tour.

24:24So then it was kind of, it worked out that that was the place to dip. Oh my God. Look at that. Gorgeous. That is beautiful. Lenny, you've outdone yourself. Just trying. Just trying, baby. This looks amazing. This one, I'll let mum explain, but this is a Brussels sprout salad that mum makes usually with cheddar. Okay. But she's put vegan cheese in. Oh, thank you. How do you feel about vegan cheese? I like vegan cheese. You tolerate it. I think, let's be honest, it's not the same. No. But it's good. You're helping the planet. Yeah, totally. And it looks delicious and I'm very grateful. I tell you what though, if you ever want to, I'm sure I've spoken about this on the podcast many a time, but it's been a while, so forgive me listeners.

25:10Nettle. Okay. Jarred cheese. It's made out of like macadamia nuts. Okay. It is so delicious. Yeah. I'm going to get you a, it's sometimes at my farmer's market. Well, mum, this looks gorgeous. It looks colourful. All the colours of the rainbow, Lenny. Lenny, thank you so much. It's a cashew nut hummus. Wow. With freka and herbs. And then roasted cauliflower and rose harissa. And then this is butternut squash, pomegranate, tahini and tahini dressing. And pomegranate molasses and olives and pomegranate. Well, it looks, it's so colourful. what a beautiful table thank you help yourself babe thank you

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27:06Oh, that's really nice, Mum. It's delicious. Yeah. The cashew one. Here, darling. Mmm. You're a South London girl. Yeah. when you've moved to the countryside yeah and you love it don't you do you know i love it i was quite nervous about it but it just feels like a good change like i've had to like i learned to drive which was like needed and then now i just kind of enjoy it like it's certainly like an hour from clapham junction now like on the train it's not that it's not crazy but like we do live did you come on the train so i was working in um in east london state and i'm gonna get the train back tonight but it's fine i mean i do like the moment i get there it's like a very different feeling it's like it's just like you're kind of like in another world and like can just switch off and it's really beautiful what would you have because your dad used to play music what would i put on now oh that's a good question to go with the vegan meal oh yeah oh lenny well you know it kind of like sometimes it makes me i find it quite nice to put on something that i would have heard like with my parents and i had a nice memory of my mum and dad together and we were listening to a lot of Dionne Warwick oh and like I was like and I realized like recently I sort of song came on and I was like why do I know all the words and I know every word and every melody and all these Burt Bacharach songs and I was like oh it must just be like that it's in my like subconscious so I quite like kind of like a nice kind of throwback chilled soulful vibe like that or what's the go-to I had to make like 10 playlists of music for six music and I nearly went crazy I I had to think of all these themes, like unwind, late night driving.

28:42And at the end of it, I was like, I've run out of music. They need you to drive those things, yeah. Do you like Prince? I love Prince. I think maybe Madonna's Ray of Light album is a bit of a go-to. See, I don't know that album as well. It's really good. It's like a bit more, like she went sort of a bit more like trip poppy. How old was she? It's like Frozen's on it. William Orbit, wasn't it? William Orbit, yeah. How old was she then? That's a good question. I feel like she's ageless to me. I never know where old Madonna is. Have you been to see her? Yeah, I went to see her. Where did you go to see her?

29:11So I saw her in London, and then I went to see her in Paris. And Stuart Price, who is our mutual friend, yeah. Friend of both of us. Both on music with us. Yes, happened to be DJing that night. So Vic and I had bought tickets to go to Paris, because we just wanted to be as close as possible. So we were like, right, we couldn't get tickets in London, so we just went and bought the tickets in Paris. And then Stuart was like, oh, I'm actually DJing that night. So then he came and gave us these passes, and we were suddenly literally spitting distance. The pit. I mean, Madonna literally drank her beer and poured it over us, and Vic, who's the number one fan, was just like...

29:49Baving. ...transcended to another universe. Well, mate, let's go into The Last Supper, shall we? Have you given this some thought? I have given it some thought. Okay. Well, you know what to do. starter, main, pudding and drink of choice. And who's going to be around the dinner table? Ooh. Oh, I've never heard you ask that one. Catching me off guard here. Okay. Well, obviously you're both invited. Thank you, Bec. Madonna, Vic. Do you think I'd get on with Madonna? I think I'd love to see you in Madonna talking. It could be a terrible dinner party, though. So, starter. Okay. So, yeah, I think it would be like, all my friends would say, if you haven't mentioned this by now, it's a lie.

30:29It's just chips. basically like just chips you just love chips what's the best chip you've ever eaten big question yeah that's a big question do you know i think it's actually i can't i don't know the name it's just like a like a brasserie in paris okay i went to after a fashion show and just and just happened to go pop in there had a glass champagne had a bowl of chips it was it was amazing you know lovely and what are your what's your condiment of choice I mean, I bend the rules for a mayonnaise. Really? Really? No judgement. No judgement. Picks up the glass of champagne. No judgement. I'd only prefer ketchup.

31:12Really? I got more into mustard lately. You have to, you can't have mayo. No, no, but I mean, you know, Vic loves mustard, but that was new territory. It's a thin cut fry. No. Oh, is it chubby? I imagine it was crisp normal chips like on the chunkier side on the chunkier side you know I think I'm going to buy an air fryer just because I want to see if I can make chips are you going to ask Romy if she's got an air fryer have you got one do you know what I'd love one for Christmas me too that is a really good idea for Christmas I think I quite like an air fryer I don't want a big one the only thing is you've got to leave them out and they take a big space on your counter and that's the only thing I don't like so chips would be the starter I don't really know where you put that on a menu just because it could be it could be a side it could be a main it can be whatever you want this is your last supper no i thought i have to start there because that's like that is you know that's like a sort of associated food with me like people that know me so it's a chip and are you doing that as a side or are you doing that as your starter let's start with that okay fine i love i don't think anybody has ever done no no no and i like this okay okay what are you gonna add i feel like when you start getting into like what options of veganism that everything sort of leads back to something mushroom based but actually like have like developed an appreciation for like a very good mushroom which mushrooms do you like if you go out and buy mushrooms so i mean you know now like i've gone to that it's what's the hen of the woods oh i've seen those i've seen them on masterchef they look like great pieces of coral don't they they look like they're in the last of us or something yeah so i feel like there's this whole like trend of like vegan places doing like fancy mushrooms that like are like deep fried or something make it feel like it's chicken like and it's actually delicious so some sort of mushroom yeah with chips i've got a recommend i've got a recommendation for you yeah that you could do for vic okay thank you i need this no props you get like bellazu or bellazu you know like they're they do all the oils the tahinis their harrisas probably your harissa they do a good um vegan pesto that's a staple in my cupboard so they are amazing so you get some oyster mushrooms tear them up you keep on eating if you if you unless you're finished i'm actually not i'm just okay fine keep no you eat and i'll tell you so what you do is you get oyster mushrooms and you put them in the oven in coated in like their shawarma paste which i think is i've got vegetarian or vegan and you put it on quite a high heat in the oven and then you can make like a homemade pumice or you could just get hummus lay the hummus out and then you sprinkle it and it's like it tastes like almost shawarma chicken amazing but mushroom very good dip it in really tasty okay i'm gonna do that so okay what's the main not roast no Really?

34:06I think it's meh, I was going to say. Oh, right. How did you know this, Mum? Just felt it. I feel I'm communing with Ronnie now. Yes, thank you. I'm a vegan, virtually. Tuned in. So where would you get your nut roast? Is there one particular place that you've had one? Have you been to the Clapton Country Club? I have, actually. When have you been there, darling? I've been there when I've worked with James Ford, I think. It's in Clapton. I think I've eaten there once, but I haven't had their nut roast. On a Sunday, it's really nice in there. they do a really amazing roast not just vegan like and I got back from my European tour and I played in at Brixton the night before and my friends were like let's go for a roast the next day and I was like I think I'm going to be too tired and actually we went and it was so nice in there and just like very cozy and started to feel a bit festive and the nut roast was so good do you like a gravy on your nut roast yeah and how do you make your gravy if you're vegan I'm I'm definitely not the person she's the one to ask okay um but i know i reckon it's probably we're probably maybe some vegemite in there yeah can you put miso in yeah that would be nice those all right to put in with you that's vegan is it yes yeah i think so yes is it yeah okay but i think yeah you can they do so you can get some really nice vegan gravy but they do a really good like kind of like nut roast wellington oh yum and they do some like leeks with oatly cream and like Oatly cream's really good That's how I've made ice cream for you Have you?

35:35With the oatly cream No way Thank you And do you know what? It looked big on the Ocado thing No, it's pishy So are we having a mouthful of it? No, I had to get a Waitrose delivery That was to get more of the oatly cream Oh no way She needs to let you know how much she's worked hard on this menu Just in case you haven't heard it the first time I'm so grateful I don't know what it's like So we're up to nut roast so I don't know where to what was it how do you say it primi that's your creamy platy I feel like I've skipped it but how do I say that you're not gonna have pasta in there at all you bothered about pasta I love pasta yeah I think if we're going if we're going for a carb I'll pick a potato fair enough but I was just wanting to give a shout out not because she's asked me to but because I genuinely love it is a stew that Vic makes that is actually like I don't know the recipe of and I do I would genuinely be sad if I could never have it again.

36:31What is in this stew? Fennel, lemon, chickpeas, and like a sort of broth that I don't know how she makes it calm down. You're not a chef, are you? You know what? I wish I was. You learn to DJ, babe. Maybe 2024 is your year to learn how to cook. Maybe she doesn't want to. No, do you know what? I would really like to. It would make me happy if I could, like, unprovoked, just make a nice meal for Vic. So maybe I need some lessons. Darling, if you can read, you can cook. Thank you. I believe. That's the thing. Yeah, just follow the recipe. Also, I feel like it would suit your kind of country lifestyle.

37:09Yeah, that's true. Take the dogs for a walk, have something. How many dogs do you have? Do you have one or two? Two dogs now. What are they called? Mouse and Pasha after the nightclub. I love that. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's amazing. Do you want to get some dessert going? Mum, would you like... I'm going to move this stuff away. Can I help? No, you can sit and relax and drink your champagne. Thank you. And relax, you are a guest on Table Manners.

37:34So, Mum, what is this? This is Melissa Clark recipe, your new favourite person. Melissa Clark is a chef on New York Times Cooking Act. OK. Oh, she's a chef. But Mum is having a bit of a love affair with her at the moment. What is it about her that you love? I think she just does... Her recipes work. Okay, so what is this? Take it out ten minutes before, Melissa. And have you taken it out ten minutes? Half an hour, Melissa. Melissa, maybe. Melissa, I've gone off you, girl. We may be moving on. Oh, God. The creaking's out. Is that your bones or the knife? No. I think it's like nougat. No, it isn't.

38:18It's just ice cream. It's got peanut butter and maple syrup. But it doesn't seem icy, so it's got a bit of elasticity in there, I think. That's a commentary line. Do you watch cooking programmes? Do you not actually love, considering that I am not a particular, you know... You live vicariously through chefs. I actually love watching cooking programmes. I watched a Jamie Oliver one on the plane to LA recently. And then I was like, it's kind of, you know, you're like, I'm actually watching How He Cooks Turkey and I'm actually never going to use this. I wish there was more vegan cooking programs and stuff.

38:53Yeah, there aren't really that many vegan cooking programs. There's some people on like TikTok and Instagram and stuff. Would you like some raspberries? I would love some. So this is going to, this is a bit like having a peanut, you have some first, you guess. This is a bit like having a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, right? Oh, it is, yeah. Because it's like peanut butter, something chewy and raspberries, but like a healthier version, maybe. Okay. Well, I don't, it might need to melt a bit more. some raspberries oh crikey yeah what's it taste like it tastes quite yummy it's nice it's really nice it's not not nice exactly it's really nice yeah i think that's delicious that's vegan darling and that's oatly cream yeah that's that's quite can i have some raspberries please i'm amazed that the texture's not bad i think it's really good you know i think i'm just not used to there being vegan options of dessert so like not i mean this is above above expectations but i'm just but i just mean like you know when i go out for dinner and stuff like you're always thinking like is there a vegan option is it good sorbet but then you get to dessert and it's sorbet and i think i'm just gonna not gonna have it but maybe that's a good thing this was peanut butter maple it was so easy you can make this for christmas maybe you should make this for christmas It was peanut butter, a whole jar.

40:09Okay. It was two little cartons of Oatly and maple syrup, 100 ml. I don't know. I can send you the recipe. You see. But you just judge it together. You have to reduce the maple syrup a bit in the pan first. Why do you think that is to make it more dead? It's really, really nice. And then I put some grated vegan chocolate on. I wonder if it had been melted for a bit longer, then it would be less hard to... I don't know, but I think it might not be as nice, actually. Do you think? Well, it's very nice. No, I think it would be great for me to be able to bring a dish to Christmas. I think my department is more like the making the house nice, like decorations, the ambience, doing the tree.

40:52Like her love language is more in the getting the food, making sure everyone's good. Would she be slightly annoyed if you actually started being like, babe? Would you like some help in the kitchen? Good point, to be honest. This is really tasty, Mum. It's delicious. I think it's good. So, pudding. Did we get to pudding? Come on, what's pudding? Well, can you pass the champagne, darling, please? Yeah, more champagne for dessert. Yeah. I feel like, like, I haven't really, I can't say I've been anywhere that's had, like, amazing, do you know what, I'd probably say, like, donuts. Good vegan donuts, yeah?

41:26I mean, like, yeah. How do you make vegan donuts? I don't know. Apparently, like, apparently a lot of them are. even like Krispy Kreme and stuff is vegan I might be wrong they told me that apparently once no I think they are no they can make dough with anyway we're all going to sound like imbeciles no definitely like vegan doughnuts that's the thing but there's one place in London that you can get them from the box if you get it it's the same as my first album cover what so it's a bit weird if I I was like we bought some doughnuts once and I got the box and I was like this is a bit weird like if I give this as a gift it's like I'm just oh my god it's like you're doing your own merch yeah what's the name of is it Crosstown Bakery yeah yeah I mean Crosstown Donuts yeah yeah it's got the same it's like it's like black box with a white x on it do you need to have a discussion with them because like they've ripped your merch off technically the x is like the um corrosive symbol like you know like just on the back of bleach it's just it's like a it's not like a trade you know it's just a simple x that's kind of was my inspiration for it like when we were doing the artwork.

42:30You can't really be like... You should have copyrighted it, so you're on the bus. Well, maybe they could give me some free donuts. No, so you're on the bus. Yeah, maybe. Have you ever, like, have they ever, like, looked a bit sheepish when you're buying the donuts? I don't think so. And they're like, uh-oh, fucking Romy O'Sexy. I think I looked more sheepish when I was walking away with a box looking like this. Looks like I'm just walking around with the album. With a Sharpie. Yeah. Just there, ready. But they are good. But yeah, our friend just recently broke their leg and then we were like, Vic and I were like,

42:59I'm just going to get this. It looks like I'm... These are my doughnuts. You can just put a disclaimer. Well, it's cross town, isn't it? That is very funny, though. Yeah, but I'd say, like, I don't know, something like... I don't know, do they do vegan Vionetta? I used to love a Vionetta. You and Matt Lucas. Oh, really? Yeah. He talked about Vionetta. He said the only reason he didn't want to live in America was because they didn't have Vionetta. Yeah, that's what he said. I bet they do a vegan Vionetta. They'd be missing a trick if they weren't doing that by now, right? I'm just trying not to say sticky toffee pudding because I know everyone says it.

43:30I love it. You'd remain vegan in your last supper. Respect. I might have the emotional crab. Fine. Tell us, do you like karaoke? I love karaoke. Do you? I'm so happy. Okay, so karaoke I can talk about. I've always found it very difficult because, as Jessie said, I'm very shy. But it's sort of this weird mix between, like, I get on stage and I sing in front of people, so everyone's like, well, why can't you just sing now in front of us? And I get really in my head. it's like if you would like to me now sing oh my god my idea of hell which is why like doing songwriting sessions with strangers is sometimes when they're just like sing it's but then the worst on my hen night it was just at the end of lockdown so we did kind of a slightly come on your hen night no oh she's your best one of your best friends well no i mean i was like there's no way i was like we're having separate ones she was like can i come and i was like no way i was like can i come on yours she was like no way so i was like you're not coming on mine okay yeah this one was wild and And I left her there to it.

44:30We had it. It was a bit like COVID safe because it was just the end. So we had a party in a hotel room. Then my friends got me like a stretch Hummer to a... We played Lady Gaga Chromatica the entire time in the Hummer. Great, great record. And I was like screaming it apparently from the top of the limo. And then we went into a karaoke room in Soho. And Oliver was like, you did not put down the mic. And I was like, this is clearly how wasted everyone got me. that I was like having the time of my life. And since then I love it. Now I love it. So which song? Nothing compares to you. You'd be amazing doing that.

45:07That song, Molly. No, you'd be amazing at that. I tried to set the bar high. Oh, that is a really, no one's ever said that one. That's such a good one. It's a beautiful song. You've got to be a good singer. I mean, I have no idea how that sounded on my head, like screaming that. That's really good. But that's what I, that's in my mind I was singing that well. but that was like a safe space with my like best friends and like I felt like I could sing it there but if it was more in a room with everyone being like you're a singer, I don't think I'm going to be cracking out nothing compares to you but maybe I would, maybe, what's yours?

45:40I don't like it, so I but then I need to stop saying that because there's going to be I like it for everybody else and if I was then going to have to go up, maybe I do Show Me Heaven, Maria McKee oh do you know what it's like to dream a dream Baby homies Or Tina Arena I mean if we're going to go there I'm drunk enough You just sang that amazingly Sing that today Which film is that from? Days of Thunder Show Me Heaven of course Before we let you go Romy Do you have good table manners? I think I eat too fast Do you? Yeah I think that that is like I've basically just grown up touring with boys my whole life.

46:27Yeah. Always just hanging out with boys and just like eating fast. I don't know. I feel like that's like, that's quite like, I'm not to stereotype. But, but I feel like Oliver and Jamie eat fast. I'm going to, yeah. Throwing them under the bus here. Yeah. Romy, it's been a pleasure to have you on. Thank you so much for having me on. I have loved this and like, thank you for having me in your house, Lenny. She's making a little, she's making a Tupperware for Vic. Oh, that is so nice. And good luck with all the touring. We're probably going to be at festivals together. I actually said yes to a festival offer because I was on before you.

46:58So I will be seeing you in Ireland. Oh, great. Regional Ireland. Let's go. Sure, let's go. Let's find a karaoke bar after. Go to Dublin. Yeah, let's do that. No, but I can't wait. I mean, and congrats on everything you're doing. I'm turning it around to you because I want to. I want to. Thank you. Well, I'm thrilled for you. Mid-air is amazing. The new video is beautiful. The new song is amazing. I love seeing everyone reacting so brilliantly. Oh God, is that good? I don't know. I don't know. Have we got a little tote? I don't need a tote. I'm fine with the Ocado bag. That's perfect. Thank you so much.

47:54Thank you so much to the lovely Romy for coming over. Chips. We've never had chips. I respect, I respect the decisiveness of that. Because you wouldn't get a chip on a desert island, would you? No, you bloody wouldn't. So actually, it's genius, Romy. Yeah. And thank you for telling us all your stories. What a wonderful woman. She's amazing. She's very gentle. She's made me feel calm. I know. See, we're speaking then. We're speaking softer now. Do you hear that? Yeah. And that's the power of Romy. Yeah, she's lovely. Romy's album, Midair, is out. It's critically acclaimed. It's fantastic. If you want to go and dance, go and put it on.

48:31If you want to feel... It's just fantastic. And she'll be doing festivals next year. Go and check out the new video that her wife made with Maisie Williams, ex-Table Manor's guest. And I hope you enjoyed that. Lots of love and we'll see you next week.

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