Saoirse Ronan

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1:36Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're here in Clapham with my mum Lenny. Hello Lenny. Hi Donny. Oh, it's a good one today. We have the fantastic Saoirse Ronan on. Now, we're not sure whether that's actually how we pronounce her name. It is Saoirse. I have been calling her Saoirse Ronan for a long time. Okay, right. Saoirse Ronan. Okay, we have Cisha Ronan on, who we're recording this a few days after she basically went viral with a clip from Graham Norton, which was incredibly profound and quite brilliant. And I'm not sure whether she's going to want to talk about it. I'm sure she's sick of it and it's only like day three.

2:18But Cisha is coming on to talk about Stephen Queen's new film that she stars in called Blitz. And we've seen it. And it's really beautiful. also has some old friends from the podcast did you see old Hayley Squires in there? being fabulous, making bombs but I mean the cast is unbelievable Cisha plays a single mother from Stephanie Green who has a beautiful young what are you going to do? his dad's Paul Weller, that was a surprise oh yeah Cisha's dad's Paul Weller in it and he's really good at acting did you know he acted? no but her accent she's not Irish in that is she? She's like Stephanie. And she was amazing.

3:00Where's my bleeding son? She was wonderful. But everything she's in is wonderful. Ladybird, little women, atonement. Mary's Queen of Scots. And, you know. Where she met her beautiful husband. Oh my God, Mum. Okay, you need to, when she comes on, you need to just get it out the way that you love Jack Loudon. I wonder what accent they speak to each other in. Because he's Scottish. Well, probably Scottish and Irish. Scottish and Irish. We're so excited about this podcast. We're clutching our coffees because we did get back quite late last night from a half-turn escapade, which, of course, we were together on because we're never not together.

3:39And can I just say that the hotel that we were in is absolutely our demographic. So I'd like to say hello to everyone that was in Tenerife with us who's listening. Because I tell you, when we walked down the stairs, which mum was complaining about because she said it was too big, the hotel was barred. Oh, you're the lady. She went, now I know that voice. Jessie someone stopped me in Tenerife airport And I wasn't even talking She said you're the lady from the podcast I live in France I listen to it all the time Maybe we should talk about the fact that you probably Were recognised on the easy jet flight back When you were complaining that the curry was going to take An hour So you need to hold it down Because she wouldn't move her bloody sandwiches Mum you are becoming You are out divaing the biggest diva No I'm actually becoming I think like the nan Catherine Tate Yeah.

4:26No, you're there. I'm there. I think I've got there already. You're surpassing her. Yeah. What have you made? Oh, gosh. Well, I've been on the New York Times. While we were away on holiday, I was a bit panicked because we only got back. I actually closed my eyes about two o 'clock this morning. The Ocado man was here at eight. So, ordered it. So, I've made chicken with apple and fennel because it was a bit autumnal. Yeah. I've done greens with white beans, which taste and smell lovely. I've done parmesan crusted potatoes. They smell really good. Which also smell garlic. I hope she doesn't mind garlic.

5:05She's got your whole bit of powder. I'm going to have to give her peppermints after this. There's a lot of garlic. And then I've just got some plain green beans to go with it. But there's also, we're following a tip of one of your, of Mira Soda. Well, no, okay, so this is, right, so we have a wonderful episode coming up with the brilliant chef, Mira Soda. And she recommended a certain dessert to do, which is relaxed and wonderful and delicious. And so we've kind of done a cheat for the dessert because we got back so late. Yeah, it's hackneyed gelato. Which is some of the best ice cream. Pistachio and lemon and, I don't know.

5:47Pistachio and lemon. Yeah. Some of that. I've got some little biscuits to put in if she wants. So Mira's episode is wonderful, by the way, and she recommends... She puts pistachios on the top of the pistachio ice cream. And she just says it's like, just makes it... And I guess you could put edible flowers. Did she get the edible flowers? Piss off. OK. Searsha Ronan coming up on Table Manners.

6:24First of all, we've got a lot in common. Because, besides being Irish, obviously. Obviously. And having that lovely maroon passport with the harp on. Are you jealous? Yeah, very. So jealous. We were in the airport last night and she went through and she went, feels good. You just, I want to feel bad for you, but I feel so smug when I'm leaving Jack. and I'm like I'll see you in 40 minutes I'll have both the bags yeah I know it's so exciting so I listened to you on Graham Norton and I heard that your mum has seen Saturday Night Fever 27 times I think I've done maybe 27 or 28 in the cinema I've never met someone else who's done it because I loved it so much and I love John Travolta I just loved John Travolta so much She loves him so much And genuinely That wasn't just like An anecdote that I came up with No She was so excited to be there He's the only person She wanted to see George Clooney was like An afterthought George Clooney being on her dress She was like You're keeping me from John I need to get to John How was John's Face at that point?

7:34It was funny Had he had work? Yeah Okay yeah But he's still John But he's still John But it was like I think from like Pulp Fiction John onwards It's not the same John that I grew up with. Because I was obsessed with Grease. Oh, yeah. Oh, everyone was. And I used to... Was it your soundtrack on holiday? Going on holiday? It kind of always is my soundtrack. And actually, when we did Mary Queen of Scots years ago, which is where Jack and I met... That's the other thing I love. Okay, we'll get on to that. Grease suddenly became our soundtrack. I don't know why, but we used to... To you and Jack. No, no, no, not to me and Jack.

8:10To me and the girls. Oh, I was going to think of you and Jack doing something. I'm a lovely. No, me and the girls did it. So like, so Mary Queen of Scots historically had these four handmaids who were also called Mary and they're famously. Pink ladies. Literally. And they're famously known as the four Marys. And we're all still very, very close. We're really good friends. And Grease, I don't know how, but someone just played it one day. And so we would do these epic performances like weekly, I would say. So yeah, so I love Grease. But I used to watch it every night. Did Jack ever get involved?

8:43No, he wasn't really... We kept that very separate. But is this how you met? You met on that? You met on the set? We had actually met years before just because we have a lot of friends in common. But did you fall in love on set? Yes. Well, actually, we didn't fall in love on set, but it was, yeah, it was around... I mean, he is utterly gorgeous. He's gorgeous. He is gorgeous. Yeah. No, but now I'm just having this imagination of him going... No. Tell me more. And you're just there being like, oh my God, I love you. It's him. No. I think if he had done that, it probably wouldn't have gone. It was not a fancy day.

9:21The way it's gone. No, it was me and it was all my girls. And we had like the biggest romance. Because I had one of my best friends, Eileen O 'Higgins, who I'd met on Brooklyn a few years before that, who played my best friend, Nancy. Are you playing in the sequel? I've just finished Long Island. I hope so. I hope so. Oh my God. I don't know. No, I don't know. But hold on, is it the same story? Well, then of course you're bloody doing it. I mean, I would be raging if they got someone else to do it. I would be raging. Unless it was like Jesse Buckley. If it wasn't Jesse Buckley, I'd be absolutely raging.

9:53Have you read the new one, Long Island? Yeah, I got an early copy. But he leaves it open at the end as well. Stop, enough, don't spoil, stop. Yeah, don't say too much. I won't say too much. But I will say, without giving anything away, it is giving the audience of Brooklyn what they wanted the first time round. um i'm good uh searsha is stroking prince the cat you have a dog called stella i do tell me about your dog yeah so stella is a petite bassett griffon vandian sorry what jesus it's a french brand how did you come across this dog because um i think it was about a year before lockdown when the world was still as it was before crufts was on and i watch crufts every single year and a petite pass a pbgv is what they're a pbgv pbgv won crufts and i saw the dog and i was like that's the dog i want i want a winner and i want a dog that has long sort of scruffy ears because that was sort of jack's criteria he needed a dog that had ears that he can show me the ears come on show me the dog she's so lovely and she's so long and blonde and we're so long and blonde um so she's definitely your dog oh she's definitely our dog this is stella stella's stella's the blonde a pbgv yeah pbgv yeah let me see darling let me see and she looks really sad but she's not she's very inside she's dancing yeah yeah oh my god she is she's gorgeous she's gorgeous and she's got a Is she travelling backwards and forwards to LA?

11:29No, she doesn't. It's too far for her to go. And also, I'm not there enough. I'll be there for like a week or two at a time. So is your home permanently London? Yes, kind of as permanently as one can live in London if you're not actually from London. So like, you know, I'm Irish, as you know. Jack's Scottish. So we have our bases there. Yeah. But we're mainly in London. Where does your mum live still? She lives in Dublin. Yeah. let's talk about your mum and home and home and and food memories from your childhood what's a big food memory from your childhood and who was who was around the dinner table with you who was around the dinner table so uh we used to our mom used to take care of my best friend christopher who is the son of my dad's best friend chris and they had grown up together from the age of like five in crumlin in dublin um and then we are well mom and dad moved to new york they had me over there we then moved back to ireland they moved there because that's where the work was they were like they do they so dad worked in construction for a little bit mom was a cleaner and then she became a nanny um and she used to take me to work with her so when I was about three that's when we moved back home but they'd been there for about 12 years all in all and then we moved back to Dublin for probably about six months but it was so expensive at that stage because the Celtic tiger had happened so there was this basically there was a huge recession in the 80s and 90s which made people leave and there were so many people that you know didn't finish their third level education and you know it was still very much like a working class country and so they just went where the work was and then when they came back, Ireland was sort of being transformed into this like modern European country.

13:27My dad would say modern. Modern, that's what my mum says and it was at a certain point I was like I don't think that's how you're supposed to say that they'd say modern. And patron and film and a film, pattern oh a patron, yeah and would he say, my mum always says chimley for chimney yeah yeah i'm sure yeah it's very weird i mean it's confusing so it's just you and christopher so yes so chris so i'm an only child but christopher it's weird because i never had siblings i wish that i had had siblings but my mom always took care of other people's kids so i was sort of brought up with other kids anyway which i think was kind of the best of both worlds and when we moved back to Dublin we eventually moved to the countryside dad's friend Chris and his wife Bernie followed Christopher was like two and a half years younger than me and Bernie went back to work and so my mom nannied him basically so he grew up with me and so every single meal time we were together after school and usually mom would make I mean even just the smells that are here it's like so familiar to me the chicken and the spuds and the garlic and the onions and all of that so mom used to do more traditional dishes like irish coddle and um do you know what irish coddle is lenny no so coddle coddle is basically like a stew and you can make it i think you can make it with a beef stock but she always made it with a vegetable stock or a chicken stock and she'd just throw everything into it.

15:02So like sausages, rashers, onions, celery, barley, carrots. Oh, yum. Spuds, like everything. So you were getting so much of that nutrients that you needed, but it was all in one meal. And that's the way Irish people do cabbage with bacon or ham. They should do cabbage and bacon for Easter. And you liked that. Because I can imagine giving that to my kids and them being like, ma, I'm not eating it. I loved it. Did you enjoy the kind of homely cooking? You know what? I think at the minute, I haven't been able to cook a home-cooked meal in weeks. And I love to cook so much. And it's made me so sad.

15:43And I got home last week after being away for so long. And I was like, I just need to cook a roast for us. And it was just the two of us. And I made a roast, all the trimmings, the whole thing. And it was like the most comforting thing to have all the food that I grew up with. What's your favourite roast? Chicken or beef? Chicken. I don't love beef. I don't because I like cows and also I get a tummy ache when I have beef. Thank God I've done chicken. No, chicken's perfect. But I would have had beef. I would have eaten beef as well. Just shat yourself with the rest of the day. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, so we grew up where, I don't know, we were in a household where food was just always really important.

16:29and mom was a great cook my dad is an excellent cook actually I feel like that's something that he probably should have gone into really what was his best dish that you'd have he would cook I mean he was one of those people where he would just like open up the fridge and he'd pull out anything and make something delicious out of it so there was never like a specific recipe but he would just flavor things in a really delicious way and he'd cook a lot of Asian food and And, you know, because I was in New York for the first three years of my life, I was actually exposed to so many different cuisines anyway.

17:04So I always had a taste for different things. I've always loved really, really spicy food. Are you working on a film now? No. Oh, that's good you're having a rest. No, I'm not. I'm doing press. That's more exhausting. Which brings me on to what happened on Friday. Yeah. And you now have become viral, which is probably what you did not intend to happen when you're talking about a film. Good for you saying it. For people that don't know about this, Saoirse was on Graham Norton and amongst brilliant people, Denzel Washington, Paul Muskao and Eddie Redmayne, and they're all having a joke about Eddie's training.

17:43The Dev Jackal, yeah. The Dev Jackal, and they're talking about a phone, and you basically deliver, talking about using a phone in self-defence, and you deliver this incredibly concise and powerful, less than 10 words, Marie. Have you read the Marie in a High Dart corner? Is that the one? In The Guardian. Yeah. Babe, it's brilliant. Jack gave it to me this morning because I'm very conscious not to become too aware of what's being talked about. But she's brilliant anyway. She's amazing. And I've read a few of her bits before and she's incredible. And I think she put it, in a way she put it better than I ever could.

18:17I mean, I guess it's, I've found it interesting to become aware of my own reaction to all this over the last few days. Because I even think I had a moment being honest where I felt bad. I was like, oh God, should I not? Because there was such. So I made it awkward. Yeah. And then I thought, no, no, mustn't do that. Because then you're sort of falling into that trap again. but I I guess because that's the kind of conversation that I would have with my female friends and my male friends one of which being Paul Meskel like he is one of our dear friends and like we'll make comments like that all the time at the dinner table and I'm so lucky that you know we live in a very uh liberal sort of household and we we have a lot of artists and actors and musicians and stuff around us so the women in my life are very vocal about their experience and my mom is as well to be honest a lot of the women a lot of these you know incredible strong Irish women from home they'll be the first one to tell you like this is what the experience was like for us so I've never really shied away from that same with my mother-in-law I've never shied away from that but I have definitely found over the last few years post Sarah Everard's murder that um there's been more of an impetus I think for women to go out of their way to grab the men that they're close to and be like do you know that this is what runs through our head every day like 90 % of the time subconsciously and I remember myself and my mother-in-law having a conversation with Jack um and his brother after that happened and we said you know that like when we get into an elevator if a guy comes in and it's just us in the lift and the doors close the thought will come into our head that we could be attacked like categorically that is what will happen that is our reality and I think even for us it's so sort of repressed and normalized so in a way even though I didn't expect this sort of reaction I am incredibly uh refreshed and proud actually that we're all talking about it and i think we can do it in like a calm manner i don't think the lads like we have to keep it in context the lads didn't hear my comment and then say sure what are you talking about no they didn't they were very humbled they were and and it there was a kind of an awkwardness about it but they were it was funny and that's what marina said she said these are the the nice guys in showbiz they're brilliant they're wonderful brilliant actors yeah And so it was quite an interesting dynamic that happened.

20:54It was. I wonder what's like when you finished. Did anyone bring it up again after? Was it like, sorry babes? This is the mad thing. Have you been on Graham Norton? I have. And it's such a, like it's just so snappy and fast and it's kind of bonkers. Yeah, it's kind of bonkers. And also the show, you know, most of the show is there but it is edited. And I actually came away from filming it on Thursday night when you do. and Paul and I went for a drink afterwards and I remember being so in my head about it and I was like I thought I was shite on that tonight and I don't think I did a good job and like you were amazing but I just got really in my head afterwards um and I forgot all about it I forgot about anything that had ever been said nobody made a comment about that at all because it was sort of part of like yes a much wider conversation and then I don't know maybe two days later once it it aired and I was really anxious about it airing because I was like I'm gonna come across so badly I had a big spot on my face and I was like gorgeous you look so glowy I can see the spot on my cheek um but so that's all stupidly that's all I was thinking about and then my best mate said everyone's contacting me about the phone comment and I was thinking the phone comment what what's she on about and it was only when she sent me that little clip that I realized that they'd obviously kept it in because I didn't know what they'd included in the edit so yeah it's I'm very grateful for it I'm very grateful to um for one comment that I've made to have started a conversation that absolutely needs to be had you know we're ready to eat yeah definitely the spuds the spuds do look good they've got a bit of parmesan on them you happy okay good okay you've no idea oh good mom they look great they look great is that rosemary you've got on them what is that a little bit um so blitz watched it and thought you were magnificent thought the whole cast was magnificent how was it working with steve mcqueen it was amazing i mean i'm a huge fan of his and that was the reason why i wanted to do the film in the first place and i also knew that if he was going to make a movie set during the second world war yeah it was most likely going to have like quite a fresh take on that story I think that like for me as a you know as a female actor most of the time when war epics or war scripts will come into your inbox you're usually on the sideline you know you're not really in the in the sort of thick of things and I like to be in the thick of things um so I was interested to hear what his plan was for it and when he told me that he wanted the central relationship between to be between a child and his mother that's what made me really excited about it you know obviously you guys are really close as well i just love that relationship between a child and their mother and it's been so important to me and so formative to me and um to get to kind of i don't know embody that on screen it's so nice he is brilliant and And he was nine when we started it.

24:06He'd never made anything before. And he just, yeah, and he just snapped right into it. He was amazing. And we're really close as well. And I read about, you know, because obviously, how old are you when you did Atonement? 12. But I was nine when I started. And you were quite protective of him, making sure that you were checking in with him because of being such a young star. Yeah, I was always checking in with him. I am really protective over him, hopefully not in an annoying way. but I'm also very conscious of them the experience that his parents might be having during all this because I was always very sensitive to the fact that you know I would audition for things when I was a kid and I remember casting agents and producers and directors would always refer to my mom as oh was this mom and I'd always go this is Monica this is her name yeah and I always had a real thing about that and I feel like when a parent is on set with their kid they're sort of overlooked a lot.

25:06Mam never was because she wouldn't have let that happen and Elliot had a chaperone most of the time but I always wanted to make sure that like if his mam and dad wanted to speak to me or if there was anything that like I could implement on set that would make him feel safer and happier and like he was having more fun then I would absolutely do that because at the end of the day it's his movie and we were there to support him so yeah I love him the accent also in Blitz was unreal I know you're an accent babe it was so good I was shocked where's my bleeding son I know so you didn't think that was too strong because you don't ever want to take the piss do you know what I mean the style you look so gorgeous that's Jacqueline Duren the costume designer did you keep any of those numbers?

25:57no because they're all they have to go into storage afterwards like we did did you have to wear a wig? pickups and stuff yeah like the best wig ever wigs cost so much money like if you want a really good wig it could cost you like 15 grand and my wig I think was that amount of money it fucking looked it it looked gorgeous you could see every single thing of it but what I was so surprised about was Paul Weller he was brilliant i thought he looks like paul wella i know it was him elliot said to me last night we were doing a q a and my hair was straightened and he looked at me in the middle of the q a and he was like you really look like paul wella right now you know but yeah he was lovely and um very humble actually he just like he knew that you know this wasn't his kind of arena and he was so open to learning about it and and he's also like the real mccoy as well so i think for us to have him and hayley squires that made such a big difference but the accent that we had to do it's not you know the london accent that you would hear nowadays no it's still gonna be old-fashioned yes so that was the tough thing because i've grown up hearing modern day you Cockney.

27:14Cockney accents. Let's talk about your, your mum sounds fantastic. Monica sounds fantastic. She's great. She's fucking great. Does she get over a lot to London? Does she like London? Are you based in London? Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't get over as much as she should probably, but she has a dog called Fran and Fran was sort of like my replacement when I left. so she's like but Fran needs me and I'm like but I'm your child you birthed me um so she doesn't get over as often as she should and also she's working now and what's she kind of she's been working with a property developer in Dublin wow um and she does some other charity work as well which is really amazing and she does all of that voluntarily yeah she's amazing so I get back and forth as much as I can.

28:07I read that you were partly homeschooled by Monica. Not by man, by a tutor. Yeah. Was that because you were already in the world of acting and so it kind of made it easier? Yeah, I guess just the sort of to-ing and fro-ing that happens when you're a child actor meant that it was supposed to be more seamless. I don't know if it was. I would say it's the one aspect of being a child actor that I didn't love. I didn't like that I wasn't part of that sort of social setting. How did the acting start? So it started because my dad who was working in a bar at the time in New York and he got discovered by a bunch of actors from the Irish rep in New York.

28:58So he became an actor, absolutely had no plans to do that. And he hadn't trained or anything, but that's what happened to him. And so eventually the work took him back to Ireland. And they needed a kid for this short movie that he was doing when we went back to Dublin. And so he was like, well, I've got one right here. How old were you? I was maybe I don't know six seven and that's when you were like I like this yeah I knew I liked it straight away but I never got whenever I'd hear about kids being like aware of like what their career was gonna be right I was so I think I was a really worldly kid but I wasn't but I was still very innocent you know and I was raised in the country and like was very much a child so this was just a thing that I really liked to do straight away and then I did a couple of Irish tv series and the cast and agents from one of those shows cast me in my first film which was an Amy Heckerling movie and who did Look Who's Talking and Clueless and things like that.

30:15What was it called? It was a bit of a mouthful. It was called I Could Never Be Your Woman which is the name of a song I think. I could never be your woman. Which I think do samples. So yeah, so that was my first movie and I was Michelle Pfeiffer's daughter and Paul Rudd was in it and Graham Norton was in it. Graham Norton had like this weird cameo and I've said it to him since. I'm like, do you remember that you like said yes to that? Oh my God, that's so funny so that was my first thing and then I did another film and then I did Atonement that was my third movie and that and that's when I loved it I mean you had Christopher as like your friend and kind of brother but I I'm interested with how friendships were made was it a lot on set yeah I mean it was how that's kind of affected you it I don't think it affects me in a negative way now i don't think it's ever affected me in a negative way but there was definitely a period in my teens where i wasn't in like a traditional schooling environment i wasn't around a lot of young people um and it was hard to make friends and so i didn't have a lot of mates from the age of like 14 to 18 yeah i would say and the friends that i did have before that they you know they continued on into secondary school and they got boyfriends and girlfriends and kind of did their own thing and I did feel a little bit like I I don't know I just wasn't I wasn't a part of that next stage as a kid um so Christopher was my constant um and I made one really great friend on a film called City of Ember when I was about 13 which was in Belfast and Lucy and she's still my best friend to this day.

32:06How many films have you made? I don't know. That's my ask. No but I mean it's fast. Yeah. Filmography as they call it on Wikipedia. I don't know but I've been doing it for like 20 years. 20 years. Crazy. I love it. I love it but like I'm sure it's the same for you with your music like your relationship to the work changes it goes from being sort of like fantasy like and like everything about it is so perfect to becoming more complicated and then you sort of being aware of your skill set and the industry side of it and how you want to use that to make the work that you want to do and that's kind of where I'm at now I feel very I do feel quite empowered with where I'm at now I feel very much in my Saturn return, I would say.

32:58I love that. I'm very aware of that right now. So the Outrun. Yeah. Let's talk about it because I feel like that is you. That's what I want to talk about. Have you ever seen it, loved it? I haven't seen it yet. I'd love you to see it. I definitely will. Have you been to Orkney? No. Have you guys been to the Orkney Islands? Had you heard of it before? No. So we had never been, Jack had been once years ago and he got this book which was written by Amy Lipchot and that's where she's from. And he hadn't read it when he made the first trip out there. And then we were in lockdown. And, you know, you're going through a book, like, a week.

33:36And he read it. And as soon as he finished it, he was like, this is the next book you have to, we have to adapt. And you have to play this role. And so I read it. And I'd, like, I'd never, I'd never read anything like that before. the way the sort of like poetry while also still being like very grounded in reality i loved all that um and we just wanted to make something about scotland and we wanted to make something that was his scotland that was modern scotland that wasn't someone else's take on that which is what's the premise of the film okay yes for people that don't know so the outrun um it's based on a memoir by Amy Liptrot and it is about her tackling her alcoholism so her kind of unhealthy relationship with the substance um spirals and becomes uncontrollable when she moves from the Orkney Islands down to London um and over the the sort of few years that she's there she loses kind everyone and everything that's dear to her until she eventually has to put herself into rehab and once she's gone through that process she unwillingly moves back to Orkney because she has no money, she has no job, she has no partner, she has nothing and really it's about the recovery process, the sort of healing after the initial healing and she eventually finds herself in a tiny tiny little island called Pape or Papo Estre and it's really the natural world and the small community that sort of heals her and her sort of like finding community while still being in isolation so it felt very relevant to now because we've all kind of had to re-evaluate what our relationship is with isolation and what it is with the people in our life and who we want in our life and how we want to spend our time so it's really kind of just that and in a way it's I don't want to say it's a quiet story but like it's it's a journey that everyone goes through whether they've struggled with addiction or not so yeah I'm very proud of it I'm so I'm honestly I'm like so proud of the reaction that we've gotten from people because I think even if you haven't suffered from alcoholism yourself or another form of addiction like a loved one has absolutely gone through that um yeah i i can't wait to see it and i think that i'm excited about you and jack doing your this was this was scotland and then you're going to take on ireland i have no doubt about this absolutely that's the plan

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37:41When did you last go on holiday? You're so busy. Well, honeymoon. We went to our honeymoon. What was that? We did a little mini moon in Italy, which was nice. what else have we done we like to do rail travel oh my god we travel by sorry are you 60 years old no we're not trans spotters Jack is obsessed with trans he doesn't know anything about trans but he loves like yesteryear he loves anything like sentimental from the past and we've done the Orient Express which is very fancy it was amazing And then we also did this rail trip around Europe Where we, I think we flew into Berlin Then we went to Vienna Then we went to Milan That sounds fun Then we went to Venice You inter-railed, you had your gap here finally Yeah, finally I really have my youth Did you sleep on the train?

38:35On the train, on the Orient Express You see, he's Scottish He's had all these coming down to London on the sleepers He loves a train With skimble shanks Have you slept on a... Skimble shanks, the railway cat It's a whistle down the line It's 11.39 The night mail's ready to park St. Skimble Where is Skimble Have you got down the thimble We must find him Or the train can't park All the guards And all the porters And station Our daughters are searching Hi and hello St. Skimble Where is Skimble We must find him Very nimble The night train just can't go And he tuts everyone up in bed He's in charge of the train at night Sorry why have you never Why have you never done that to my children Don't know I'll do it You're doing it to me Jessie And do it later It's for me I'll do it It's about the night train Wow Lenny This is like your Shakespeare monologue This is like what Denzel did On Graham the other day I'm just thinking about the night train That was top notch Len It also just didn't stop It just kept going No I loved it It just kept going No I'm not It's like when we had Who do we have on We had Larry Lamb on What did he do He did the Albert and the Lion I thought it reminded me of something.

39:46Yeah, it's about when they take him to Blackpool, his parents and the lion eats the little boy. Why are they always so tragic? It's not horrible. I wanted to know, because you were saying about how you longed to have a roast and you had to cook. Are you prone to homesickness? Because you've been doing this so long and you travel and I'm sure you absolutely get the most out of when you're on a location. I mean, I know that you're probably working all the time, but um do you like the travel aspect of the jobs and have you ever said yes to a job because it's been like well that's gonna be in brazil i quite fancy that yeah i think obviously the project has to make sense don't yeah the project obviously has to come first i think that a lot has changed over the last few years in terms of how much i value my home life yes because of who is in it now yes and because i have a little gorgeous angel to look out for stella no stella even when i'm away i'm like can i just talk to the dog is she there i've started doing that because she does actually recognize my voice so i do but i would say i've just become very used to traveling over the years and i'm very good like every musician and actor is at like setting up a home anywhere really I think once Jack is with me that makes it a lot easier but every few months I'll I'll just get like a bout of homesickness for Ireland specifically and Scotland now a little bit too because that's my second home now I'd call that my second home so I really really miss those two places after a few months there's just something about the feeling of it that I miss what do you take with you what are your kind of comforts whilst you're away do you have like um I always want marmite so i'll always take marmite with me so is there anything like that that you'll take with you i love i love vegemite i like it too i'm a vegemite girl i'm where do you get yours from i well i only got a card you can't get vegemite on a card i don't think you can no you can't mom but you can get it online i think you can get it on amazon okay good you can you can because i was in australia two years ago going over there i didn't like marmite or vegemite and then i tried Vegemite on toast with mashed avocado and I was like I'm in yeah told my mom by the time I'd come back there was like 10 bottles of Vegemite she was like I did it I did a sort of bulk buy on Amazon yeah so um now I'm obsessed with that I do I actually have my graze snacks you know those oh yeah I love them yeah always bring those away with me um tea I do bring away with me barry's tea barley's barry barry oh that's irish isn't it barry's irish tea or yorkshire tea yorkshire gold you like strong tea yeah i mean if you're gonna do it drink it with the tea bag in sometimes no yeah that's what my niece does no that's weird just i think it's completely but also it means the experience is changing every minute yeah but she likes all that my Auntie Margaret does this thing and I don't get it she's always done it where she'll make the tea she'll put it in the pot she puts the pot on the hob loose tea or tea bags tea bags puts it on the hob to boil it up again just lets it stew for like hours and it tastes so odd but she's always done it it's always been this thing that I've sort of associated so she'll pour you a cup out about an hour later yeah it's still hot but it's oh wow It's quite like thick in taste.

43:27And can you say to Aunty Margaret, could you say, could I just, I'll just make my own. No. Oh, right. Okay. I mean, she's going to hear this now. But no, I wouldn't do that. Whilst we clear away, start thinking about your last supper. Okay. We have a starter, a main, a pud, a drink of choice. We've been a bit slack on the pudding. But we had. Oh, don't worry. We've got something, but I need to check. I'm more of a... a savoury person anyway. She hasn't messaged me that. They're quite crispy, aren't they? You know, whenever my man's making roasts for me, she'll always bring the dish over and she's like, pick out your roast spuds.

44:05So I always pick them out. It's a very personal experience. I think they probably need a bit more salt though. No, they don't. They're perfect. Do you ever put honey on your spuds? Oh my God, no. Game changer. Because it crisps them up. At what point? Like 20 minutes before the end. But are they very sweet? No, you just put a tiny drizzle. Sash, you're a good cook, aren't you? Yeah. Have you ever done the Marmite in spuds? No. Maybe Marmite and honey. That could be like... Oh my God, I'm going to throw that. I think that could work. I think that would be amazing. These are like... Did you cook these in butter?

44:39Yeah. They're so nice. That's what Jamie Oliver does. Does he? Yeah. They're butter. Sorry, I'm foodie. Lots of garlic and parmesan. Do you want another cup of tea? No, I'm fine with these things. Oh my God, she's good. It's forget the ice cream. She's going to have a bowl of ice cream. I really don't need a dessert. You don't need a dessert. Okay, so should we just chat then? Are you sure you don't want a bowl of ice cream? No, I'm really, I'm happy. Okay, great. We're just going to do that. Shall I just move these away? That was so nice, thank you. Such a pleasure, darling. So starter. So for my starter, I want to have this dish that I had tried for the first time in a restaurant in aviemore of all places which is in the scottish islands a few years ago when we were doing mary queen of scots and it's baked goat's cheese with pine nuts and i think rosemary and lavender oil oh really nice bit of like crostini or something like that yeah i'm just gonna i'm just gonna say the first thing that comes into my head because it needs to be yeah I love that.

45:44So I'm going to do that for my starter. What was the name of this restaurant? Do you remember? It's called, I think it's called The Ship Inn or The... Was it a pub? It's like a pub restaurant. But it was, okay, so people... Jack has definitely cast his Scottish spell. Yeah, wow. Yeah, I'm obsessed with Scotland. The Bridge Inn, maybe? Something like that. We'll find out. You'll find it. Is he wearing kilt? What, every day? Yeah. Yeah. Did he wear one on the wedding? Did he wear it on the wedding? Yeah. Oh my goodness Did you wear underwear? Jessica! I don't know Don't they wear Don't they not wear I think that's a myth I think that's a myth Oh really?

46:20Okay But also it's thick wool So like It would itch as well It would itch You want some air Exactly Yeah but it would itch your bits Your bits But when the midges are out Because the midges are so bad The midges All the boys got like Bitten to fuck Oh no Like the next day It is actually probably the worst thing about Scotland In the summer it's so beautiful but there are clouds of midges and they can't contain them and it's just when you want to sit out in the evening and be in the sun it's warm and lovely I need to get some Scotland recommendations I need to take my kids, my friends are just in the mull at the moment we went to Ely and Shauna recently which is incredible it's this tiny tiny island off the coast of the mainland, Sky is incredible Mok is great like all the western isles are amazing i had a boyfriend on the isle of iron that's so hot it was well you've got your own boyfriend he's from the mainland he's from the lowlands he's from the borders yeah but he's proud of his scottishness yes couldn't be more proud um okay so my main okay so the first thing that's come into my head because it just this is a dish that i like dream about and anyone that i've introduced used to it also like has fantasies about this meal it's penne alla vodka like alla gigi hadith yeah and it was originated in this place called alla vecchia betola which is this old little inn in florence and it's just outside of the sort of central bit of frense and it's not touristy at all and i was sent there by someone who studied there years ago and as soon as i tried it it was like you know like when people describe when they're about to die and everything just sort of like becomes very sort of peaceful and calm.

48:18That's what it's like when you have penne alla vodka. Everything just falls into place. Remember the name of the place Jessie because I'll look up. So that's your main are you going to have any sides with that? You're not fussed. I'm going to have some delicious French bread but also since they don't have to go together I'd also love some papadums and the dips? Separate from the penne. With mango chutney. With mango chutney and the raita. Minty raita. Yeah. Like the proper stuff they give them. The pickles. The lime pickles and stuff. Okay, gorgeous. So that's just a separate thing. That's just like a snack.

48:55You can have that as a snack. Are you going to have a drink? What drink would you have? A cup of tea? I had, no, I wouldn't have a cup of tea with food. I would have, I did have this delicious Sicilian chilled red the other day and I can't remember we didn't offer you a drink oh no I'm happy not drinking at the minute but I did have a lovely chilled red the other day which I really liked so maybe Jessie likes chilled red and I don't like chilled red I love chilled red I think me and you are going to go out for dinner I am order the chilled red we're going to get the family on the vodka but why do people have a thing against chilled red and orange wine no Jessie doesn't I can't do orange what makes me cry or pet nap that's my word I hate pet nap natural fizzy is it alcoholic yes it's fun I love it we can give you one of Gillian Anderson's Pep You Up drinks take with you that's not pet nap anyway we'll give you one that's what I'd like for my drink and then pudding you're not much of a pudding person I'm not really You say clutching the bowl of spuds Yeah I probably have a bowl of spuds Okay please can you tell me A nostalgic taste that can transport you somewhere Happy or sad Nostalgic taste My mam When I was a kid You know what's so funny can I just say I've gone through a period in the last few years As I'm sure you and your sister have as well Where you're like mam I need my space Which I never had before I was always like very codependent on my mom and I've had a bit of space in the last while yeah but you know what's so interesting in the last few months I've so gone back to that place of just wanting to talk about her all the time which I'm so happy to be back there anyway mom used to cook um mashed potatoes and she used to mix it with broccoli and loads of butter and she'd mash it up like when I was a kid when I was a toddler and it's like the most comforting thing and I haven't had it in years but I think if I had that that would just transport me back to being a baby do you add cheese to that or not I might don't Jessie because you're someone to eat it I think that's how you I weaned my children does he not like cheese he doesn't he likes melted cheese but he doesn't like he's very but that's okay that he doesn't like cheese it is okay and I need to accept that no you don't accept anything no I don't you don't I think you need to accept that because it's not like it's that he won't eat his vegetables do you have one utensil or one thing in your kitchen that you couldn't live without or an ingredient you couldn't live without garlic garlic always garlic well you came to the right place today because it's everywhere couldn't live couldn't live without garlic utensil um what could i not do without probably like the picky up thing oh what the tongs yeah probably a tongue what are you tonguing well when I baste my roast potatoes she tongues I use a tongue to turn them over because they're covered in yeah because they're covered in flour and stuff no no no no and do you sing karaoke yeah but I'm afraid to do it on my own because I get really nervous singing in front of people so nervous so I always have to get up with people do you do a duet with Jack you know what I've tried to get Jack to do with me and he still won't do it throughout lockdown I was like come on it's just us let's do it do you remember Shallow from I'm on the end and he won't do it so I'm like do Bradley and he won't do it I'll be Gaga you do Bradley can he sing?

52:39yeah he can sing he has like the voice of an angel he's a great voice so I think so when in Blitz when you're singing your character sings in the workroom and it's so charming because the voice breaks and she's so nervous because she's a working class girl that's been asked to sing on the radio live and were you absolutely terrified? Yeah I was terrified I was so nervous and there were other scenes as well that we had where I would sing that didn't make it into the film there was like there's so much that we shot that didn't make it into the movie in the end because that's you know it happened with the outrun as well but it really I have so much respect for you guys I did anyway but especially since going through that experience and getting to a point where you're like yeah I think I sound really good and then you hear yourself back and you're like it's fine but it's like not the way you sound it's not the way Adele sounds it's not the way Barbara sounds like there is there is skill but then there's like a gift from God that brilliant singers like yourself have.

53:47But I think the same with acting. For me that sounds seems like the most terrifying thing in the world. So there you go. I guess we're both doing the right job. But I can't wait to hear more. I can't wait to hear more singing of you. I believe in you. I really want to do more. I want to do more like sort of modern stuff. Did you do an album? No. God no. I don't have the voice for that but I would love Greta Gerwig to write us a musical and for me to be an F. Yes. Me and Timothy. yes I think that would be fun you and Timothy it's been such a pleasure having you on it was amazing please give your husband Lenny my regards and also just good luck well I mean you don't need any luck you're fantastic Blitz is wonderful I can't wait to see the outrun thank you so much for being on such a pleasure to meet you this is so nice and I hope the rest of the promo run is okay it won't be as good as this we'll always have this we'll always have the garlicky spice with a bit of honey next time yes

54:59mum I've just I've got my new friend she's my new friend I could see you fell in love I love her she was gorgeous she kept on holding our hands both of us but you know she's so beautiful I kind of resented having a tan because her skin is so translucent and porcelain. And we're sitting there looking a bit bronzed. Leathery. Leathery. Yeah, I'm a rhino here. Go and see Blitz. It's on Apple TV and in Cinnamons. And in Sims. Cinnamon. Cinnamon. Ooh, patron. And also go and catch The Out Run, which she's also incredibly proud of. Dreamy, dreamy guest. Loved it. loved seeing her just picking the studs.

55:41She ate everything. Yeah, she was so happy to be here. I loved it. Yeah. Makes it all worthwhile being stuck with you for another day, Mum. I'll piss off. Thank you, Saoirse Ronan, for coming on Saoirse. I feel... Saoirse. Saoirse. It's because you're not Irish, darling, really. You say thanks. They're going to check that. When you go for your passport, they'll say, say Saoirse. Yeah, but you're not saying it right. Saoirse. Saoirse. Saoirse. Yeah, exactly. Saoirse. Thank you, Saoirse. We love you. Thank you for listening and we'll see you next week.

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