Second Helpings - Dolly Parton

0:00Lennie Ware: Hi, Mum. Where are you?

0:01Jessie Ware: Darling, I'm on your favourite beach.

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0:28Jessie Ware: Thank you. I'm having a lovely time. Just about to go in the sea, darling, with my rubber ring. Amazing. Hi, darling. Bye. See you soon.

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1:14Lennie Ware: Hello and welcome to Second Helpings. This week we've got the formidable Dolly Parton, which was recorded during lockdown over Zoom. I was actually recording my album. Which one was I recording? I think I was recording the deluxe for What's Your Pleasure? Because we recorded it in 2020 October and it came out in December 2020. She came on to tell us about her Christmas album, Holly Dolly Christmas. And so I always found it quite funny that Dolly was in front of the big Christmas tree when we were chatting to her. And I was at James Ford's studio. And I said, listen, I'm just going to have to do this podcast because it's with Dolly Parton.

1:54Lennie Ware: He said, no problem. We had an hour with the Queen. It's the one and only country icon, Dolly Parton. And she loved it, didn't she? Yeah, she was great fun. I was very nervous. I think we were both nervous. We recorded this in a strange time of endless lockdowns. And we were on Zoom. It'd be nice to meet her in person, Jess. And before we knew, she actually had potentially helped cure COVID with her generous donation to help fund a COVID vaccine for Moderna. Dolly Parton coming up on Second Helpings.

2:28Lennie Ware: Hello. Dolly, can you hear us? She's not connected yet. Working on it. I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes. Well, hi there. Hi, Dolly. How are you? I am good. I understand we're going to be sitting around the table talking. Yeah, talking about food and Christmas. Okay. How are you? You're by a Christmas tree. Well, of course I am, because I'm doing a whole lot of promotion for my Christmas album and a whole bunch of other stuff I've got going on. But you can't see that, right? You're on a podcast, right? You're just on radio. But we can paint the picture, Dolly. You know, there's a Christmas tree, there's a wreath.

3:04Lennie Ware: Dolly is in a beautiful red outfit, and I feel like it's Christmas Eve, and I've got the best present of all. Well, thank you. I'm happy sitting here on Christmas Eve by my fireplace with my Christmas tree and my wreath and all that. So I am in the Christmas spirit. How about you? Well, you know what? For October the 2nd or 3rd, I'm feeling pretty jubilant. I'm well up for it. I'm thankful that you have given Christmas to us so early. Thank you. We need some Christmas. I wish I had recorded that in my new album. We need a little Christmas. But I didn't, but we certainly do. And I've got it. I started it early on in the summer.

3:42So I've been doing Christmas since July.

3:45Lennie Ware: Oh, wow. So you started recording the record in July? Yeah, you usually have to start early in order to get things done. And we also decorate the studios and everything where we feel like we're in the Christmas spirit. So where are you right now, Dolly? I am in Nashville. I'm at one of our studios that we do our work in. So we kind of work in a small circle in our own little personal private areas. And we try to do our social distancing and try to be smart. and all that. So I'm sitting here right in the middle of Nashville. Did you actually get to get cosy with Michael or did it have to be kind of socially distanced cosying up with Michael Bublé?

4:24Well, I wanted to cosy up and cuddle. Don't we all, Dolly? I wanted to cuddle down and cosy up with him, but I couldn't very well do that. Not this year anyway. So maybe next year I'll get to do a Christmas special of the same album and then maybe I'll get to cuddle up with him then. But we actually, all the guests that we had on, we kind of had to do it where they were in their studios And we had, you know, we had to kind of do it with all the, you know, the social distancing and all the stuff that we had to do. But thank God, technology, we've pulled it off. Do you like Christmas, Dolly? Well, I love Christmas.

5:00Don't everybody? I think that's probably my favorite time of the year. I mean, I enjoy all of it. But Christmas is just so much about the, like you were talking about, the trees, the glitter, the glamour, the presents, the streets being all decorated and getting a chance to party and to sing and to eat too much and not feel too bad about it until the first of the year.

5:24Lennie Ware: So who does the cooking, Dolly, in your house on Christmas? Well, everybody, in my house, I like to do a lot of my own cooking. And my sisters and I love to cook the same things that we grew up serving at Christmas with a lot of mama's old recipes. But we do the traditional stuff, the turkey, whether it's chicken or turkey, and the hams and the stuff-ins and the mashed potatoes and the yams and the pumpkin pies, all the stuff that we eat at Thanksgiving, we eat again at Christmas. So it's kind of like it's a whole continuous thing. But we all love to cook. And my sisters and I make our own special little things.

6:05Mine is chicken and dumplings that taste like Mama's. So we try to keep Mama in Christmas all the time. So was your Mama a good cook then? Oh, of course. She had to cook for that big house full of young 'uns. So Mama, everything Mama cooked, you'd think there wouldn't be a thing to eat in the house. and mama would just start cooking and before you know it there was always something that always

6:29Lennie Ware: was always good there's a lot of you there's you've got a lot of brothers and sisters there were was there 12 of you yeah there's 12 of us in all there's six girls and six boys i have a sister and two brothers older and they're very kids younger but we had a lot of mouths to feed my sister and i had to learn to cook early so we cook a lot like mama and my aunts and my grandmas because Mama was always having a baby. So when Mama was out with the baby, my sister, Willa, and I had to do the cooking, you know, in those early days. So we know how to do it.

7:00Jessie Ware: You're one of the oldest in the family. Yes. I have a sister and two brothers older than me. And so you had to take a lot of responsibility for the little ones. Well, yeah, that was just the rule of the house. Every time Mama had a baby, we all had to help take care of it. So she had, I think that's why she kept having kids. just so she'd have somebody babysit. But we did it. It was just a natural way of life. We were always excited when we heard Mama was having a new baby, which was all the time. I always make a joke that Mama had one on her hip or one in her at all times. Yeah. But we loved them all, and Mama and Daddy loved us all, so that was just the way it is, just horny hillbillies up there in the mountains.

7:49Jessie Ware: But Christmas, will you all get together with your family? Is that how you normally spend Christmas? Well, we try to get as many of us together as we can at Christmas. A lot of my family still live in East Tennessee, and that's 200 miles east of Nashville. So it's a four or five hour drive up there. But the ones that live in Nashville, we try to get together as much as we can. And then sometime between Christmas Eve and New Year's Day, we make our trips back and forth to see the ones in East Tennessee. And the ones from East Tennessee that want to get out and drive, well, they usually come down, you know, to my house or whatever.

8:28So we just kind of do it, you know, different ways now. And we just love to have Christmas. We just get together as much as we can, as many of us as we can. But through the course of the holidays, we try to connect with everybody.

8:44Lennie Ware: And Dolly, am I right in thinking your brother is on this Holly Dolly Christmas album doing a duet with you? Yeah. Talking about all those kids and us growing up in the mountains. We used to always want one of those walking, talking dolls that we used to see in the catalogues that used to come to our house. The wish book, Daddy called it. We were just wishing for it. We weren't going to get it. But anyway, we used to see these walking, talking dolls that you put water in a bottle and it would pee and it would have real tears and all that. And then sometimes they'd walk and talk. And so we never could have that at that time.

9:23And some of our cousins living in the city, they did. So my brother Randy was born around Christmas. So mom said, come over here. You got to see your own walking, talking doll. He really pees, real pee and cries real tears and all that. So he was our Christmas baby. So I wrote a song in this album called You Are My Christmas. And I wrote it for my brother, Randy. So he's singing with me on it and his daughter, my niece, Heidi, singing that third part harmony. And so it's real, real special, you know, to me, that particular song with them. Oh, that's so lovely.

9:57Lennie Ware: Dolly, I'm a singer. When I'm not talking to you on Zoom and doing a podcast, I'm actually a singer. And so I'd love to know how you tour and whether you have anything particular on your rider that I should be putting on my rider because mine is very boring. Well, actually, I love to travel. I really kind of miss touring during this time because we all kind of took off. But I spend a lot of time on my bus and I take a lot of the things I like with me, the things I like to eat. But in the dressing room, they usually just put fruits and crackers and cheeses and water. I don't drink the sparkling water if I'm singing.

10:35I like the flat water. And I have tea, and we have coffees, and I like potato chips. So I always ask for those kind of junky things mostly. But when we do tour, we have a caterer that usually prepares a dinner for us after our rehearsal. So anyway, we have everything we need. and what we don't get there, I have on my bus.

10:56Lennie Ware: I wanted to know, because I watched the documentary on Netflix and I saw that you did, it was your 50th anniversary at the Grand Ole Opry, which I've heard about, I haven't ever been to, but this is a huge, huge deal in country music and you were doing, and I wanted to know whether there was a particular culinary celebration after that gig when you did it. Was there somewhere that you'd go? Is there anywhere that you recommend in Nashville that you like you can get the best i know that you like pork you love a pork chop is it i do well i like pork is my favorite meat of course one of the places we go all the time and they love that i'm giving them an advertisement it's called arnold's and they make the best stuff so we love their food and they they do the best food of anything of course everybody loves cracker barrel you know everybody goes to that they have country food but they're just always you can always find good food in Tennessee for good barbecue and for all meat and threes.

11:53And so I still cook a lot of that kind of stuff myself. So, but at least I know where to go. So if you come to Nashville, you won't have any trouble finding a good place to eat.

12:04Lennie Ware: God, I love that place. It's so brilliant. I watched a chef's table on this very famous chef called Sean. I can't remember his surname, but he has this very famous restaurant called Husk, where he's kind of brought Southern food back and he's really celebrating the foraging, kind of real authentic southern cuisine and kind of it looks fantastic and I wanted to know whether you did you used to forage in the mountains like would you go and pick in the mountains and go and find things to eat in the mountains well when you grow up in the mountains like we did we lived on a farm so we grew you know a lot of our own vegetables and we raised our own you know our own pigs and we you know we did all that in in those days so mama just knew how to put anything together but we also did a lot of wild uh foods like rabbit hunting and squirrels and all the things a lot of people oh you eat squirrel you eat rabbit some of the best eating in the world if you know how to fix it and when you live in the mountains you learn to eat and fix everything that's edible and even the greens uh you know that grow in the field you know the wild stuff that's uh that makes really tasty things like whether it's like watercress or whether it's something we call poke salad it's like the poke bush p-o-l-k i guess we call it poke poke salad but anyway it's a wild green that grows so uh there's a lot of wonderful things that you you know can cook from from the mountains and that grow you know that run wild in the woods and and the stuff you grow domestic you know on your farm around your barn in your in your barnyard i wanted to know i'm watching that documentary and um jane fonda talking about how you all got to know each other on 9 to 5 when you were making this film together.

13:48Lennie Ware: And you'd do these sleepovers, she said. And you'd do these sleepovers and you'd talk and you'd get to know each other. And I wanted to know, what were you ordering on room service? I need to know these things. Well, I would imagine whatever was good. I guess we ordered a lot of, I guess, club sandwiches and soups, that sort of thing. But I stayed at a really nice hotel there, the Balazs Hotel, when I was living there. And they had the best things on the menu, whether it be like, I love liver and onions. That seems to be a delicacy, too, in the city. And so I would order that kind of stuff. Anything that I could order that was close to country.

14:29They had also great steaks and great fish. And Jane, she used to eat a little better than I did because she was working out at the time. So I'm sure she and Lily were eating better and more like baked fish and baked chicken. I was getting chicken with gravy or whatever I could get that, you know, had some something on it that was a little more tasty to me. But anyhow, we would just order whatever we felt like if we were, when we would chat and talk and pizza is always great, you know, to order that in.

15:00Jessie Ware: I can't believe that you eat junk food. You're wearing leather trousers. Well, I'm glad I wouldn't be sitting like this if I was on camera. Oh, no, but they're gorgeous. I'm so jealous. Oh, well, thank you. I really have to watch what I eat because I have that country girl's appetite. I can't eat everything I'd like to all the time, nor in the amount that I'd like to. I had to learn pretty early on. I had to pull back from some of that. But that doesn't mean that I don't still like that and that I don't still eat it. I do try to eat as much good food as I can. And then when I have a big project coming up, I just have to go on a diet because I love carbs.

15:40And then I have to go on a low-carb diet to kind of get where I need to go because I have a tendency to gain weight, and I'm a very small person. I wondered how small you are. How tall are you? I'm only 5 '1 without my shoes and my hair, but I'm 6 '7. with all that but anyhow I just kind of have to watch it to not let it get too out of hand because I've been fat and I've been skinny and I may be that again so I just have to keep an eye on it because I do love to eat I love to cook I love restaurants everything about food I love and don't we all love our kitchen yeah like you don't we just live in it but Dolly you have one of the

16:25Lennie Ware: best quotes about food. I mean, it's like an iconic quote. It was like my true loves. You say it because you're going to say it better than me. I guess my weaknesses have always been men, sex and food and not necessarily in that order. Something

16:45Jessie Ware: on that order. You've got one of the longest marriages in history. I do. My husband and I have been together for 50 seven years been married 54 congratulations and i'm sick of him and i'm sure he's sick of me oh no he's not does he come from a big family no he has one brother and one sister so he's had to kind of get used to my big family because i i've always had my family around me the patterns are overwhelming yeah he loves them all and they love him so but no he's he's from a very small family

17:22Lennie Ware: Dolly, what would be, you're about to go to a desert island and your final meal before you're about to go and you're not going to eat this food for a very long time, you've got a starter, a main and a dessert and a drink of choice, what would it be? I would probably have a big carb dinner for sure. I'd probably have some of my own chicken and dumplings, which I love. I'd probably have a side order of mashed potatoes, which I love. I'd probably have a big old bowl of coleslaw and a big old piece of either cornbread or a big old biscuit with that. And then for dessert, I would probably have something either like a pumpkin pie or some homemade something I love.

18:07There's a rhubarb pie. Are you familiar with that? And you never can find it anywhere, but Mama used to make it. And there's a there's a pie place here called Marie Callender's that has it. And so anyway, if I had my choice and I had to get my hands on a piece of rhubarb or the whole pie before I went to that island, I guess that's probably what I'd have. We used to grow rhubarb, and that's why we always had it. So we don't grow that anymore. We don't use that much of a garden, you know, around anymore. It's just usually like the herbs and tomatoes and cucumbers and, you know, a few little, you know, things, salad garden.

18:45But anyhow, I would eat pork. You're talking about me eating pork. I love the chicken and dumplings. But I might want a big slab of pork roast, too, before I head it out for the audience.

18:57Lennie Ware: And then what's the drink of choice? I hear you like red wine. I don't drink much. I only drink wine if I'm out to dinner. I never drink at home. I don't even drink wine at home, you know, at dinner because I don't usually have guests over. I usually do any drinking I do if I'm going out to some special thing because I'm not much of a drinker. But I do love red wine if I go out at my choice between red or white. I choose the red. But I really would rather have a big old jug or glass of sweet tea. That's a very southern thing. That's not good for you either. But anyway, that's probably what I'd have with that meal before I went to that island.

19:37Lennie Ware: I have to say, Dolly, I watched you at Glastonbury when you performed on the Pyramid stage, and it was the most beautiful concert. I loved it so much. And I think you filled everyone with joy. And I feel like everyone was just hugging each other throughout the concert. It was so gorgeous. And I wondered, do you have an affinity with the UK? I mean, did you like the food? I don't know. You were talking about gravies and chickens and stuff. So I'm wondering, is there anywhere that you'd love to go in London or the UK? Oh, I love the UK. And when we did the Glastonbury show, So I felt so loved, too.

20:14I felt back from them what I was trying to give out, and it worked, didn't it? So it was really a special show. I was kind of nervous about doing the show. I was kind of apprehensive because I didn't know. I knew it was a festival that was very famous, and I knew everybody loved to party and liked to drink, smoked their weed and whatever. And so I thought, well, they're not going to pay attention because my stuff is so many stories. And I thought, I didn't know if I would fit in that. And then when I went out there and I did, it just made me feel so happy and good. And so I gave it everything I had.

20:46I think that was one of the reasons I was just so grateful that they were really appreciative of me. And so that was great. But anyway, getting back to the food, the thing I love the most about the UK, I order it always in room service, is the cream, the scones, the jellies and jams. Oh, and I have the tea, the afternoon tea. Oh, yeah. And I have it all brought to my room. And, Lord, I can just die over all of the scones and that heavy cream or the cream that you have there that you spread all over that. And I usually gain, and I try to stay in my show clothes because I don't have time to change them.

21:28So it's really hard when I come there not to really put on the pounds just to eat and all that great butter and that cream and milk. good.

21:37Lennie Ware: The cream is different, isn't it, to the States? Yes, it is, because we can't get it here. The scones are not the same. We can't get it like that. I wanted to try to make them, but it's not the same. We cannot get that kind of cream. We cannot get that kind of, it's just something about the soil, I guess, about the taste of the butter of the cream. Whatever, it's good and it's fattening.

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22:44Jessie Ware: Dolly, are you a great reader? Oh, I love to read. I've been I've been reading since I was a little kid. That's always taken me anywhere I wanted to go. And I love books. I just order anything off of the New York Times bestseller list and, you know, just anything from Oprah's and Reese Witherspoon's book club. But mostly I just swap books with friends. What inspired you to start the Imagination Library besides wanting to promote literacy? Well, I've always loved books, as I said, but the reason I started that little program was because of my own father. My dad couldn't read and write. And he was from a very big, poor family because a lot of mountain people don't get a chance to go to school because usually their schools are so far away or there's a one-room school and you can't get there because of the weather.

23:33if the roads are washed out or snowed out. But most of them just have to go to work to help support a poor family. And my dad couldn't read and write, and that just always bothered him, and it always bothered me that that bothered him. And so I wanted to start something for, you know, for the little kids to learn to read early in their most impressionable years. So I started that little imagination library just for our home county and for my dad, got daddy involved to help me with it, and then it started taking on and the governor at that time, Governor Phil Bredesen, he got a hold of that program.

24:07He thought it was great, so we went statewide with it in Tennessee. Next thing you know, it's in Canada. Next thing you know, it's in places all over the world. It's in the UK. I know. By the end of this year, we're hoping to have given out 150 million books. 150 million. Yeah, that's a lot of books. It's incredible. Yeah. Well, we've been going at it for 25 years and my daddy got to live long enough to see it doing really well and he took such pride in it and I tried to keep him as involved in it as I could to make it feel like that. I could not have done it without him. And I never would have thought to do it without him, so he'd be right about that.

24:45Lennie Ware: There was this one that I came across the imagination of an library because a friend of mine uses it and I borrowed a book and it was The Train That Can, I think it's called? Oh, The Little Engine That Could, yeah. Yeah, and it's like the train that goes up and I think I can, I think I can, I think I can. And it was so brilliant. They're such brilliant stories. So, yeah, thank you. But that's actually, that's the first book that the kids get from the Imagination Library from the start. And that's probably the one they'll always get because to me, that little book, it just builds your confidence.

25:17And I remember reading that myself as a child. And I remember thinking that too. And I'll often say that I am a little engine that did. So I thought I could. I thought I could. And dang it if I didn't. What are you reading at the moment? I'm reading a book called The Keeper of Lost Things. It's just a sweet little book about an old man that found things. And he would write on it where he found it and how he found it. And he had this great house. And then he left all his house to this girl that came to help him keep his things together. But part of her deal was she had to find all those people to return their lost things.

25:54And it's a real interesting little book. My favourite writer of all time is a Southern writer named Lee Smith. And she writes a lot of Southern stories. And I really relate to that. And she just has such a beautiful way of saying it.

26:10Jessie Ware: When we initially had to lock down, I found it really hard to read. And I don't know why. I just couldn't concentrate on anything. I don't know whether you found that as well. I read as much lately as I usually do. because I needed to do different things. I needed to do more writing. I needed to do more self-analysis and then be able to put that down and to really realize that all the different feelings that other people were going through that weren't able to write those feelings down. So I felt that it was my duty and my job to try to do things that I could get out there in the world to kind of help lift the mood and the spirit and the burdens of everybody else.

26:53So you're right. I can't concentrate as much right now, even still. Normally, because if you know something's okay, you've got your relaxing time, then you can go into that book. But I've had this little book. I've been reading on this for weeks. Normally, I can read a book if it's good in a day and a half.

27:12Jessie Ware: Yeah.

27:12Lennie Ware: I wanted to know, because you were saying you were writing, were you writing a lot of the album during lockdown, this Christmas album? And was that quite a nice escapism from what was going on? It was. And I really felt like that it was just the perfect time because I've been wanting to do a Christmas album for a while. But it just timing is everything. And I've always been lucky, you know, with timing. And so it's like it was a good time. But yes, I did write a lot of the new stuff while we were kind of when this whole thing started. And so I wrote some of the original things that's on the album then.

27:47And I also have been writing a lot of other things. I just have to write what comes to me. I'm writing some things that don't have to do with anything other than just an idea will come to me if it's a love song or if it's a happy song or if it's a sad song. I've just been, I think because I've been so emotional and been so in tune with people and their sorrows and just what's going on. And I'm a very emotional, sensitive person. So I just write all the time. And it's been great therapy for me, though. It's been a great release for me feeling like that I'm also being productive. So it's worked really well for me to be able to just express myself and hopefully express feelings for other people.

28:29Jessie Ware: You are the most prolific songwriter. I think I've read that you've written 3000 songs. Well, I don't count them. At least that many. At least. But they're also so beautiful. I mean, one of my favourites is I Will Always Love You. What prompted you to write that song? Was it about anything in particular? Yes, thank you for asking, because that has become probably, well, two songs, Jolene and that one, have become the biggest song. Well, 9 to 5, they're big. But I Will Always Love You is a very personal favorite of mine, because it's a simple song that fits so many people about so many things. But for me, it was a song that I wrote that was born out of a heartache that I was going through of trying to separate myself from a man that had given me a great opportunity, a man named Porter Wagoner.

29:23He had the number one syndicated television show, and he gave me my first really big break. I was in Nashville, and I had a couple of chart records and was beginning to come in, and he had seen me around the new girl in town. And so he had a vacant spot to fill the girl that had been on the show. She was leaving. So he put me on. And so I said I had no intentions or hadn't planned to come to Nashville to be part of someone else's group just to be the girl singer. So I said I can stay for five years and then I'm going to go out on my own. It was too big of a job not to take. So we had several big duets and we really were so interwoven.

30:06and we didn't always get along. And so I was wanting to leave and go out on my own because I couldn't stay there forever when my five years came up. And so he just was not having it. He was pitching a fit and we were having a lot of trouble. And so he wouldn't listen to any reasoning from me why I needed to go and why now was the perfect time. To him, it was like you're going to shatter the whole show and all. So I went home and said, you're not going to communicate with him any other way than what you do best. Write a song. So I wrote the song. I Will Always Love You took it back to his office and said, Porter, sit down.

30:48I need to sing you a song. And so I started to sing the song and he started to cry. And he said, that's the best song you ever wrote. And you can go.

30:57Jessie Ware: Oh, wow. So that was kind of a, it was a sad thing. But, you know, we still had trouble. after that but it was still uh but years later we mended all that and uh you know we became best of friends and worked together again and in many different ways but that's that was born out of a very serious place something I had and needed to say and it did the trick and did Whitney ask you if she could sing that song directly the way that that came about uh when Whitney got a hold of the song. They had done the movie The Bodyguard, and they had chosen a different song for that. And just before they were starting to get ready to put it out, someone else covered that song that they were planning to use.

31:43So they didn't want to use that. So they were looking for another song. And Kevin Costner and his girl in his office, they knew about my song. And one of them said, I said, well, what about Dolly Parton's song? I will always love you. I've always loved that song. It's perfect. So then they asked me if they could use it. And I said, yes, but no matter what, make sure they use that last verse because I recited that verse. And other people that had recorded it left that out altogether. I said, it's in the same melody as the other verses. So make sure if you use it to make that part of it. And so I never heard anything more about it.

32:24They had my permission to do it. And then I was heading home from my office one day and I had the radio on and I heard that sound, you know, if I should stay. And it rang a bell, but it didn't, you know, it wasn't, it's like she was kind of talking. And then it went into like the, I know. And I about died. I thought my heart was going to stop. I about wrecked. And I just got to pull it off to like to hear it. And it was the most overwhelming over. I mean, it was just such an overwhelming feeling. I've never had that before or since with a song. When my first little record played on the radio about killing myself, jumping off the cabinet to get to that.

33:05But other than that, this was like such a big thing to hear my little song done in such a big fashion like that. It was just really overwhelming. And I cried and I laughed. And I thought, oh my. I mean, it's so great. She did such a great job on that.

33:22Lennie Ware: She did. Is it hard because you have, I mean, you're so successful and you are so loved and you have had so much success. I mean, do you still get the same buzz that you got when you were younger and you starting out or is it kind of a different kind of feeling now? No, I love to write songs. I love to sing songs. I love the music business. I love doing the business end of the music business. I love the creative part. It's just who I am. This is a way of life with me. It's just who I am. It was what I feel I was born to do. And I still get as excited now when things happen. If I start writing a good song, I'm as excited about that as when I started years ago.

34:05Even more excited now because I feel I can get more done with it. You know, because I'm popular right when you're younger. You're thinking, oh, I hope somebody likes it well enough to record it and all that. But no, I get excited about every single award. Anytime I'm recognized or acknowledged for something, it means a lot. I don't work for awards as much as I work for the rewards because it's very rewarding to me, you know, to just see things happen and to make things happen. Dolly, I mean, well, you're amazing, but I do need to know,

34:41Lennie Ware: do you think you've got good table manners? I feel like you must. I don't know that I have, I have good table manners. There's a lot of stuff I don't know about the table, you know, like how to, which dish to use, which fork and spoon. I still go through that because growing up like we did, you know, we never eaten out in a restaurant. And I was sort of like my daddy, you get embarrassed to ask somebody after so, you know, because he couldn't read and write, he wasn't going to do it. So I kind of feel that way. So I just try to watch people if I'm out somewhere. But yeah, I'm certainly not, you know, I'm not a pig.

35:13you know at the table but I don't know what you girls do probably because you're not as proper

35:19Jessie Ware: as the English. How did your parents keep track on 12 children and to make sure they all had their elbows off the table and were holding their knife and fork? The grown kids had a fork and the little kids had a spoon and you know we had it was a whole different thing back then. I don't think anybody's thinking about who put elbows on the table. Could you all sit down at one table? Yeah, yeah, we did. Did you have a very big table? We did have a big table that my daddy built. And we had a bench. We had like a church bench on the backside. And the little kids would stand up on that bench to eat.

35:54And the other, you know, the bigger ones had, you know, around the table. But seriously, we didn't have matching dishes. We didn't have, you know, silverware drawers. I mean, you're talking about country people here. So, but we were not, I mean, we were certainly, you know, know we had to mind our manners as far as we're eating now we're not going to be you know doing this or doing that but we didn't uh you know it's a whole different thing when you're and how you grow up but for now uh you know I still kind of watch people on each side of me you know what

36:29Jessie Ware: they're using should I use this I don't think you need to but I don't worry about it anymore I figure you know they don't like it they can move to the next table do you like getting glammed up to go out for dinner or to any of these ceremonies? You know, one of the most, my favorite things in the world to do is to dress up really fancy, really pretty, and go out to the best restaurant in Nashville, in California, in New York, to where, and I love that. I love being in that surrounding. That's just one of my favorite things. And I've missed that a lot during this lockdown that you can't go anywhere.

37:11You can't go anywhere. And I've really missed that a lot, dressing up and going out to dinner and using bad table manners.

37:20Lennie Ware: I wanted to know, because we're all having to cook so much and you like cooking, do you listen to music when you're cooking? Well, actually, I'm always so involved in what I'm doing. I do some of my best writing and my best cooking at the same time. I always like, I get very creative. The more creative I am with my songs, the better my food's going to taste and vice versa. So I usually, I don't listen to radio much because I'm so involved in either a project I need to do or I just like the peace and quiet or I just work on my own thing. So, but at Christmas though, I play everybody's Christmas albums that I like.

37:56And hopefully this year I'll have one that other people will, you know, enjoy listening to while they cook.

38:02Lennie Ware: We ask everybody this question, but as a singer, I don't particularly enjoy doing karaoke. I just kind of find it a bit, I feel like it's for my friends that aren't singers. But we have to ask you what your karaoke song is. If you do like karaoke, what is it? I don't necessarily get a chance to do that because I don't go out where they have that. But I can take great pride in the fact that I have several songs on the karaoke list. Yeah, a nine-to-five, a big one. Jolene, a big one. I Will Always Love You is a real big one. So I have several songs that other people like to sing, and I hear more about how they make fools of themselves singing my songs.

38:39But I love that kind of stuff, though. My kids, my little nieces and nephews, they have their little karaoke machines, and when we're together, we sing along with stuff, but I don't go out to do it. Have they ever tried your songs? Oh, yeah, they love my songs anyway. They know all my songs by heart.

38:55Jessie Ware: When you go, do you do line dancing? No, I never did do that. I don't really go out to the clubs like that. I really take pride in other people doing line dancing, like my song, Why'd You Come In Here Looking Like That, was a really big popular song with the line dancers. Oh, yes. I love that song. So, no, I don't go out to clubs. I don't really. If I'm around home, I like to stay home. But I'm not much of a dancer anyway. I just don't have that type of rhythm. We never do much of that. Oh, there's always that stuff that you do when you're having your jamborees and your pie suppers and your little things.

39:34Everybody dances, but there's no real particular type of dancing. We never did it. It wasn't structured. Anybody just get up and just move and be happy doing it.

39:45Lennie Ware: Dolly, I was going to say, I really enjoyed Dolly Parton's America, which is this amazing podcast that you were involved in. And there was really candid interviews with you on it. And it was, I mean, it was very, it was incredibly interesting. Um, and was that kind of your first foray into podcasts and yes, yes, it was. In fact, the, uh, the guy that did that Jada Boomerod, he's, uh, he's just wonderful. He has that huge podcast. He goes out to millions of people, as you know, weekly, but his father is one of my doctors in Nashville at Vanderbilt. And, uh, I came about through him. I didn't even know his son was even in the business.

40:26I've known him for years. He never mentioned it. And then one day he said, well, you know, my son, dad, you know, has a podcast and he'd love to interview you. And I said, well, sure. So it, because of that, and that's how I got to know him. And then I got to know dad and he was absolutely fantastic. He won, you know, several awards on that.

40:47Lennie Ware: It's a phenomenal podcast series. It's so substantial. I mean, I found the bit about listening about Nelson Mandela in Robben Island and Jolene coming over the tannoys and that kind of how Jolene's very, I mean, Jolene's huge everywhere, but that song became this kind of anthem for the prisoners on Robben Island. I mean, all this stuff. I mean, you must have discovered things too through this podcast. I have to honestly tell you, I learned more about myself through that than I knew my whole career. Honestly, I didn't know. But you know, Dad did not know me that well until he started working on this podcast.

41:25He's such a thorough person. He did it, but he did all that research and it was just amazing. I was just floored with all the stuff that he had gathered up, but he should have won an award just for his own hard work without me. But I was very, very proud for him and of myself and of that whole situation. So that was really well done.

41:48Lennie Ware: Dolly, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you. this is honestly a pinch yourself moment for us and I feel like Christmas has come early and I'm so thankful for you doing this when you are probably very very busy doing promotion for this record and it's been so lovely to talk to you and thank you and um I just want to know what's next you know the Christmas record is out now um and then are you doing any more acting I mean I'm sure you're writing songs left right and center you've got an autobiography is it coming out soon am I right in thinking that oh are you talking about the song teller book yes song teller book yeah that's actually that's out now and that's uh that's yeah that's called song teller and it's got 170 some songs I've written and stories about them but I'm going to be doing more things it's like so hard to know what's going to come next year I've been working on my life story as a musical and so that's going to be something that I'm hoping to get on his feet at some point in time and I've just signed a new branding deal where I'm going to have actually have my own cosmetics and my own perfume and that sort of stuff so as I've often said I wake up with new dreams every day and I've hopefully I'll live long enough to see the rest of them come true but I've been very blessed if I died tomorrow I can honestly say that I've had a great life a wonderful life and I couldn't ask for more but of course knowing me there's going to be more if I keep living so there's going to be more more is more with me

43:33Lennie Ware: that was Dolly Parton on Second Helpings I really really want to do another episode with Dolly in the flesh in the flesh and I believe it will happen and also really do go and listen to Dolly Parton's America podcast. It's so fantastic. At the end she also talked about future projects and one was about creating a musical of her life. And we are pleased to say she's finished it and it will be on Broadway this winter. It's called Dolly, a true original musical about the life and career of Dolly Parton. And it's scheduled to come to the St. James' Theatre on Broadway starting with previews in December 2026.

44:10Lennie Ware: It's opening in January 2027 and no doubt will be brilliant. Thank you Dolly for taking the time to come on the podcast and we'll see you next week for more Second Helpings.

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