Second Helpings - Dua Lipa

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1:05hello and welcome back to second helpings this week we have well the queen of glastonbury dua leaper we chatted to dua leaper back in april 2020 that's over four years ago it was the second week the second week oh the second week of lockdown i was very depressed and she did cheer me up bless her she was in i think a rented accommodation in london because I think she maybe didn't think she was going to be here. She was in the midst of promoting her album Future Nostalgia and it had been just leaked ahead of the release. She was completely, well, I don't know how you become a good sport about it, but she was amazing about it.

1:47She was meant to be going on tour. Obviously, that got cancelled. Well, fast forward four years and she just headlines Glastonbury on the Friday night and did a brilliant job of it. I was in trouble with mum because I hadn't delivered the groceries that I was supposed to that week. It was that second week. I don't know, maybe there was too much of a queue. It was like mad dystopia. Oh, it was all so weird. And when we started doing these special circumstance episodes, we prepared food and so did the guest. So Dua, bless her, had her food in front of her. We then realised that this was a bit odd to not be eating together, but we appreciated the effort, sweet Dua.

2:23Here it is, Dua Lipa.

2:40doer thanks for dialing in thanks for having me i love that we were like um we were like right can do a leaper do it and we miraculously got a message back saying yes and we were like oh fuck okay great amazing and then we were like right okay well this situation is it's a bit changed the podcast usually we have you over at my mum's or mine but obviously corona has stopped this happening so we were like you have to have a meal ready and a drink because we had grimy on last week and he was like yeah dinner's not ready yet so we were like no that's not how it works babe so anyway um anyway bless you we we just dialed in it's all a bit of a kerfuffle to get in and then i've just seen like your your plate of food is there ready bless you yeah i came ready prepared it was like put in my diary because I had like a day of promo and it was like make food for the Jessie Ware's podcast I was like okay so I'm ready I'm prepared I have everything what have you made well I made like um it's like impossible burger no beyond burger meat are you a vegan doer together no I'm not but um I really like it and so it's kind of like instead of like ground beef with vegetables and mashed potatoes are you a cook are you a bit of a chef um I can cook I don't really see myself as a as a bit of a chef I just like to do it it's just fun I don't ever do anything with measurements or anything it's just kind of making up as I go along trying it tasting it and just being like all right this is perfect I guess it's been a bit of a weird week because the album leaked which is a fucking pain in the ass yeah it's been an emotional roller coaster you know some things just come at you thick and fast sometimes I think it's such sods law and hopefully somebody's getting sacked or whatever somebody's getting killed but like I mean it's I don't know I don't understand also it's just shitty you do all this work and then that happens however I don't look I don't think it's gonna affect you too much hopefully I don't think so I feel like you're gonna be all yeah i don't really know what what kind of happens but it is what it is and for me i'm just like fuck it you know people just get to hear it sooner if they want to hear it if they want to wait and stream it on their streaming services cool like that's kind of that's the only way i can see it and i really just kind of made this album because everybody was like oh second album like that's a really scary one and there was so much pressure with it that i just wanted to basically make something that took me away from that that took away that anxiety and it's something that I just made just to have fun with so I hope that you know now I was also toying with the idea of whether to put it out at this time at all and I guess you know some things just happen for a reason and I think people you know maybe need it now more than ever yeah I hear you everyone needs a bit of disco and pop and fun yeah absolutely man yeah um so listen lockdowns happened your I thought you lived to new york oh my god am i wrong i i me and my boyfriend have a flat there but um because i was meant to go on tour at the end of april we were like meant to like not carry on our lease basically and we were meant to go back to new york and then that kind of got obviously cancelled because of the travel ban so we still have a flat there but i haven't been in a little while and i haven't been able to get there to move my shit out oh shit do it your nails look gorgeous oh when did you last have them done i'm very worried about all of this i'm really worried about this this situation is not good if my nail bar goes i'm going yeah i really i need to figure out how to take gels off safely being in quarantine just put them in acetone and i know but my nails i need gel on them to keep them strong you can get a uv light on amazon and gel nails you can do it yourself but would you say that's essential shopping mum it is essential to me darling I'm gonna have no nails grey and fat stop when we don't get to go and get our roots touched up I really don't know what I'm gonna do with this blonde stuff with the hairdressers going to go through it as I put it on and it would be like death in Venice as the dark drips down my face um what's this kind of the silliest thing that you've bought whilst doing the kind of mad maybe you haven't stockpiled but like you know the mad dash going to the supermarket when you're like i must get this like this is essential and then you come back and you're like i didn't need that at all um oh my god have you been really sensible i'm trying to look around my kitchen and see i mean i have like four different hot sauces that maybe i was just okay end of the world must have but i So other than that, I think we've been quite good.

7:34You've been really sensible, do it? I think we've been quite good. Have you been eating leftovers? I have, actually. Yeah? Tell me about your leftovers. Come on. Well, actually, the mashed potatoes I'm having for my dinner today were made yesterday. Good on you. Yeah. Right, Mum, what are you having for dinner? I've made a salmon and broccoli lasagna. All right. No big deal, Mum. Very fancy. That's quite a big deal. since you left jesse i've got things with creaming cheesing meeting are you vegan jesse am i fuck babe i just like my husband the husband is oh he's a pain in the ass with the vegan protein powder it's a fucking pain the end of the world's coming hasn't he decided that it's okay to well it's funny that mom because i made him lamb stew and and then we had leftovers and it tastes even better the next day and also my friend had corona down the road because we're in a rental because we moved out to make sure mum was okay because my house we were supposed to move into my house tomorrow but removal men aren't working so we have nothing there so whatever it doesn't matter it's fine um so we're in this rental and my mate had corona down the road and like he's single and so I was like babe like we really should give him that crumble it was like mother's day it was a crumble and I was like come on let's give him the crumble we don't need the fucking crumble for six people like it's fine he was like fine and then I made this lamb stew I said babe we should really give him some and he was just like so pissed off that I was giving him our like leftovers anyway Sam yeah Sam Sam's loving the lamb stew Sam was loving the chicken roast Sam's asking what's next on like the carnivore menu so like Mr Vegan Vegetarian is like he's gone out the window falling oh absolutely man um but okay so I have I just I well I've got leftovers where I did that otolenghi trick of roasting vegetables and then putting lime juice and lime zest on at the end with feta and it's lovely um and it's just really easy so I've got that from yesterday and then I've just we got this amazing veg delivery box from these wholesalers that usually send to restaurants so we signed up for a delivery and we got Sam chose the gourmet one so like we've been having the most ridiculous kind of I mean I feel like I'm eating out every day um so I've just done Cavallonero with some kale, shallots.

9:53I've put wine in everything. I'm drunk the whole time. So there's wine in there and lemon, lemon juice, Dijon, salt, pepper, olive oil. And then because I just did kids bedtime and food, cod, like cod fish cakes. So it's a complete shit mix. It's not gourmet at all. It's a bit of a shit mix. It's like, it's a bit of everything. Oh, wow. So I want to know about growing up were you born in albania no i was born in london okay north london northwest london girl yeah in camden well i was born saint mary's hospital in baker street but my parents lived in finchley road so northwest london swiss cottage those are kind of like that's my like area where i grew up and then which school i went to fitz john's primary school and then i I went to Parliament Hill for secondary school.

10:41So I want to know, growing up in northwest London, what were you eating being Albanian? Are both your parents Albanian? Yeah, both my parents are Albanian. And I mean, you know, when I was living in London, first to begin with my parents, because then when I was 11, I moved to Kosovo with my family. And then when I was 15, I moved back to London on my own. So when I was living with my mum, obviously at a young age, my mum would always cook at home. and we would either have like just you know whatever like protein and vegetables and meats and you know all that kind of stuff or like my mom would make something traditional which would be pita which is like a spinach and cheese pastry which is so delicious which is something that yeah I always crave after I come back from tour I haven't seen my mom in really long and she's like what do you want me to make and I'm like pita um and that's always really delicious or she makes sarma which is like ground beef and rice in vine leaves oh so it's like greek food a bit it's it's very similar so a lot of balkan food has a lot of similarities in it or it's like stuffed peppers with again like meat and rice and that kind of stuff is very quite like wholesome and hearty food but did you like so we've been asking everybody on this series well for the last few um what was your lunchbox like my lunchbox um did it have like were you were you one where your mum used to do embarrassing sandwiches that were soggy and you'd be embarrassed to get them out i mean sometimes my tuna mayo sandwiches would always go really soggy miserable miserable tuna mayo would always go really soggy but then i'd always always also really want like a nutella sandwich that would always be in my pack lunch like nutella you'd get A Nutella sandwich.

12:28Yeah. Did your mum let you? Nutella sandwiches and a fucking penguin too. Oh my God. She's a mum off to my own heart. I know. Jessie won't be doing any of that. Her children are deprived. Now times have changed so much. But I remember when it was like healthy food day or something and I'd always forget to get the memo and the teachers would like come to give the best prize for who has the healthiest lunchbox. Oh my God. So every time I'd fucking open up my lunchbox, it would just be like hula hoops a penguin and an Nutella sandwich I'd lose every time I bet you ate all your food all your lunch though didn't you oh I loved it it was great it was it was something to look forward to which Disney princess or hero did you have on your lunchbox or were you a my little pony kind of girl um I can't really remember what I had on my lunchbox I mean, sometimes I just put it in a backpack, but I can't really remember.

13:24I had lunchboxes. I had maybe two, but I really can't. I actually can't remember. I had Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but you're younger than me. How old are you? I'm 24. Oh, fuck you, Dua. You're so young. You're so young and so successful. It's only about two years since she opened her lunchbox. And I still can't bloody remember what was on it. but I feel like I had like um I I did have this like jean it was almost like a JD sports bag you know the ones with a drawstring on them but it was just like a jean bag like that which I had like pinned cool D on it and um that's where I put my food a lot of the time no wonder your sandwiches are a bit soggy because they were all sinking to the bottom there was no you know structure in there and the penguin digging into it every time um so do you call it pide not pide pita the pita is it kind of what you'd call spanakopita in greece uh i think that i think they're probably really similar yeah okay and why did you move to kosovo when you were was it i was no i was 11 yeah i moved back to kosovo because you know when the war happened in Kosovo and my parents moved to the UK they had every intention of going back you know right so they you know they they stayed and they worked in London and they did everything they had to do things just obviously um lasted a lot longer than they'd hoped my grandmother's uh Bosnian on my mum's side and so they kind of went through the war in Bosnia my parents together and then the one in Kosovo and then moved to London um so it was just um you know my dad got a job after he'd kind of finished his uni and in London got a job that he uh wanted to do which was back in Pristina which was kind of doing marketing and advertising in Kosovo for like a telecommunications agency called IPCO which is like a Slovenian telecom but anyway my dad did that went and did like the marketing for them and then worked for them for like a few years and then opened up his own like advertising agency in Kosovo so we were just like we lived in Kosovo I went to school there I kind of just because Albanian was like my first language um and I always spoke at home I learned English in school I always felt really confident at the idea of you know going back to Kosovo and I felt like I could like really pick up where you know with with the Albanian that I knew but I kind of went in as the new girl as somebody who could speak Albanian with an English accent somehow I just kind of picked up just like little bits and you know had to kind of go in and learn science and maths and you know in Albanian in Albanian yeah so from what I was kind of speaking at home which I thought I knew really well it was clearly you know I had a lot of learning to do and a lot of like grammar to learn and learning to properly read and write in the language too is is I had a lot to kind of pick up in the first couple of years that I was there but then you came back here yeah at 15 on your own yes that's so brave was that to pursue music yeah that was because I wanted to do music I you know when I was in Kosovo I I loved to do like I was always doing music when I was living in London before I went to Kosovo but it was when I went to Kosovo that I realized I didn't really have the opportunities that I would have you know in London and I guess I was lucky that my parents had moved to London and then I also had a British passport and I was born in London so I was like a British citizen and had the opportunity to come back to London and like do music and do my GCSEs at the same time and but what did food entail then as a 15 year old who's come back who's living on there or living with a family or whatever I was living with family friend so it was like one of my parents friends daughters was studying from Kosovo moved to London to go to London School of Economics and do a degree and because my parents knew her parents I went in and started living with her so she was basically like a what like a young woman she was a teenager no she I guess she was like in her 20s oh my god so then you two are just living together yeah I want to know what you were eating she had like her own life her boyfriend was still living in Kosovo so she had like this whole dramatic situation going on she didn't care about anything that I was doing so I just had friends over the whole time and I mean food wise it was like pastas it was sometimes I'd like baker salmon pot noodles that kind of shit yeah but like did you feel like you you must have grown up very quickly then a like living in the like I know that London was where you were born and you knew it but you know having that kind of independence at such a young age were you going to a like a performing arts school or something was no I was just going to a normal oh you went to Parliament Hill yeah Parliament Hill yeah just um yeah I did that like you're really brave did my GCSEs but my friends like they became my family so my best friends like Sarah and Ella who were like the first two girls to talk to me when I first went to Pali they were like the first two girls to come and say hi and be like hey like we know you're new come and have like food with us and I'd spend my lunches with them and I kind of never really let go of them my mom would come and visit as often as she could from Kosovo but um any other time like Ella and Sarah's like family really kind of took me in like I would go and spend Christmas with Ella and like we would just kind of stay at home and whenever I would like feel lonely they'd come and stay the night so my bond with you know my friends we've just been really close and they're my family really.

19:20Where do your parents live now? My parents live in London so when I um they they moved back I guess five years ago now I guess when I kind of started touring and traveling and being away so much I think my parents wanted to be really close to where I am and my little brother and sister Rina and Jin came back to London and then carried on their school and stuff so we they just kind of moved so we could all be close together I guess everyone thought that I was just going to go to uni after school um but I wanted to take like a gap year which then I kind of found um my manager ben and i just kept going to the studio and things just kind of happened one thing after the other i never really expected it to go kind of as quickly as it did but i i never ended up going back to university and so my parents then moved to to london if you hadn't done so brilliantly well at music what would you have done i'd probably still be trying if i'm really honest.

20:27Okay so music is just the be all and end all. Yeah it was it really is everything to me and it's like the thing that makes me the happiest and so that's that's the only thing I really wanted to do.

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22:24can i ask you we ask everybody what their last supper would be so involves a starter a main a pudding and a drink of choice does it all have to like go together no no god no no no know um fuck starter last meal okay starter would probably be like burrata with like tomatoes and balsamic vinegar and lots of bread if this is the last meal I'm gonna go in yeah and then I don't know I'm kind of torn between whether I would do like a really good fish and chips as my main from like the seashell on Lisson Grove. Oh, I love that. Which is so banging. That's like my favorite fish and chip shop ever. What do you order there?

23:16Just fish and chips? Like cod and chips? Cod and chips, mushy peas, pickle, lots of tartar sauce, douse it in vinegar and salt. Yeah. That's the vibe. Or. Gorgeous. I'd get a good Caribbean jerk chicken, rice and peas, festival course law where would you get it from is there a particular place that you like there's a really good uh place just on delivery called one stop which is banging it's just like a really um are they still open i don't know i haven't checked babe i'm on i i thought i was like now's the time for me just to like make everything myself i know did you buy lentils i did buy lentils and beans ones that you're never gonna soak yeah did you get canned well actually they can so they're soaked already that's all right smart i'm so bored of lentils already i'm so fucking bored of them honestly i was like what do i make i mean you know whatever it's it's it's it's fine we're okay we're fine um so okay so so jerk um and then pud what's pud uh sticky toffee pudding everyone says that it's so good though why would like what's your favorite what would you say i actually need to hear what your final like last meals were would be jesse's is well i think we're almost similar so because we're jewish we love chicken soup okay yeah jewish chicken soup okay matzo balls i love roast dinners any roast dinner i love and then we both love we're almost the same We both love trifle, don't we?

24:51Love trifle and tiramisu. I don't know if I found my perfect tiramisu yet. There was one in Streatham that was really good. But like, yeah, tiramisu is fantastic. I like anything with cream. I really like trifle and actually a really good roast dinner. Yeah, roast dinners are great. Do you know where they do a really amazing roast dinner? Where? Is this pub called The Law of the Land in Fitzrovia. It's like... I've never heard of this. It's like Guy Ritchie's pub that he's just opened. Oh! and the lamb roast there is so jesse we're going banging is the only way to describe it it's so good they do like a 72 hour like cooked lamb with mint sauce and all the goods it's delicious that's a really really good one you have to go

25:43when you get to be in New York do you I love New York food I feel like it's got such a good restaurant scene because everyone just eats out don't they so where are some of your favorite spots in New York um there's this really good little Japanese comfort food spot in New York called Besu it's on Bleecker Street I think it's kind of new I'm not sure but they do amazing just like the food is so good um and then again another japanese spot i mean this is like a small four seat like omakase outside um called sushi on jones which me and my boyfriend always go to that's like our little like hole in the wall date spot with the best sushi ever um which is really good and that's um kind of opposite the bowery on like jones street and like a little corner um what else is really oh lilia in brooklyn have you been i don't know this place no oh the fucking pasta sorry i'm sorry oh my god no you haven't listened to this podcast we swear babe don't worry okay okay good um the pasta is so good they do these amazing also they do these amazing like cacio pepe balls and they're these deep fried balls which you open up and they have like parmesan and cracked pepper it's just like the cacio pepper flavoring in the ball like an arancini cacio pepper yeah but it's hollow and just melts in your anyway it's so it's like a cacio pepe kiev it's so good kind of yeah yeah oh it's so so good it sounds fab and then i'm in the pastas are to die for they have like amazing like agnellotti and um really good that's a really good spot i'm trying to think what else do i really love in new york the blue cheeseburger at spotted pig with the shoestring fries is very oh yeah that sounds heaven blue cheeseburger oh yeah and they do these really thin french fries like really thin they're like shoestring and you just oh they're delicious to die for heaven um so why did you why did you choose New York over LA because I kind of I'm interested I really like that you chose New York because I feel like every bugger goes to LA don't yeah I just love I love New York I love the energy of it I love the people I love the food it feels like London just a little bit more hectic um I've always felt like really at home every time like especially when I first started writing there were still a couple producers left in New York yeah before everybody left for LA and I just had such like such a great time there and I really think the food brought me back because now when I think about it I went for these amazing soup dumplings in this place called Shanghai Cafe New York on Mott Street and I think they just kept having me coming back and that was just something that I had to come back for there's just so many good spots

29:03I wanted to know um do you have anything particularly like interesting on your rider are you quite straightforward on the old rider um quite straightforward snacks I like to have I like a pez oh that is not that straightforward actually I like to have a Pez from every different like city I'm in. So when I'm touring, I get like all these bloody weird Pezes. And how are your teeth? All right. So far, I do brush well. But yeah, other than that, it's quite straightforward. I like like, I know I've spoken about hot sauce before, but I like a local hot sauce, a Pez and then different like crisps and that kind of stuff.

29:52I think that's good, but I've always been, I'm so neurotic, but I'm like hot, acid, heat on the vocal cords, but you're just like, nah, fuck it, I'm going to have some hot sauce and pez. Oh yeah, sometimes I'm careful about it, but sometimes I'm okay. I don't do dairy when I'm singing. Okay. I also stop drinking and I don't smoke either, so when I'm touring. Okay, fair enough. Well, yeah, you're pretty, you can have a bit of hot sauce, fine. and I heard that John Legend apparently I don't know if this is totally wrong somebody told me that John Legend eats chicken wings before he sings because he likes how they coat his throat but I really need him to do the podcast so you can ask him that's crazy I couldn't imagine singing after eating chicken wings I know like if you've played in Austin and you go yeah I'll have that barbecue before the show and then you're just like there's no way I won't be able to move exactly Exactly.

30:48So do you think you've got good table manners? Yeah, I do. I think so. What do you think is the worst table manner in somebody else? Chewing with your mouth open. Yeah. Right. Yeah, that's a very common one. Oh, my alarm's gone off. Why's your alarm gone? That was my Ocado alarm. No, it was my Ocado alarm that was four hours and I'm still, they're still, oh, they're saying your wait time is ten minutes. Jessie! Oh my God. I've been waiting for my Ocado delivery to get even online five hours. Oh, it's crazy, isn't it? We tried to order online, actually. So they're saying, ten minutes. I'm going to have to do it, Jess.

31:33What? Sorry, sorry, sorry. We're in the middle of something. What are you going to do? You're going to click whilst we're... I'm going to put my order on. I've waited five hours to be able to order. Sorry, Doher. Just the biggest pop star in the world. But mum will be doing her Ocado order. No, I won't. I'll make them wait. I know how precious the Ocado delivery is. We tried to get online. It was like, you're in a virtual queue. Your wait time is up to two hours. I was like, oh my God. Yeah, I've been doing it for four. That was four hours. And they're still saying we've got half an hour to go.

32:04Get your order in now, Doer. What do you need for the, you know, on the list? Yeah, I'll let you have some.

32:16Do it. If we're at a kind of party to celebrate the end of coronavirus and you have to sing a karaoke song, which one would it be? And it can't be one of yours because I think I might sing one of yours. One kiss. I love it. Thank you. Oh, my God. What would be my karaoke song? Do you like karaoke? No, I hate it. So does Jessie. Me too. Is it because we sing for a living? yeah we sing for our supper and then that's why we're just like so that's why if i was to go karaoke i'd have to pick like a rap song so i'd be really rubbish at it i hate i hear you do it does your album come out tonight no my album comes out on friday but my new single comes out tonight and what's your new single called it's called break my heart so it's just um yeah i'm really excited about this song um comes out tonight like a celebration of vulnerability and like falling in love go straight to number one don't worry darling get the champagne ready thank you you'll be fine and have you got a whole load of outfits have you got a kind of theme for your tour well i did but my whole tour's now been postponed so it's been a little bit rubbish but i guess there's bigger problems in the world and so we just have to all be like healthy and safe um and so i've just postponed it like 2021 is when now my uk and europe tour is happening so that will be our year because i thought 2020 would be babe thanks so much for doing this i know you've got like a mad week thank you so much it's been so fun good luck yeah good luck you don't need it you're amazing and um and honestly i'm so happy for you you make the best pop music out there and i love it it makes everyone so happy that means so much to me 2021's your year baby our year for life touring is the one thank you so much guys eat well look after yourself eat those lentils stay healthy get that ocado delivery

34:41isn't it funny to listen back to how we were living in lockdown those supermarket delivery slots were so important that we had to halt the conversation with doer so lenny could get it i've been waiting four hours for my slot to come up there was no way i was not going to take that slot with a cardo on that particular time. So we had to hold the Zoom with Dua. I wonder if she still has Pez on her rider or whether she's upgraded. Also, she now goes out with another ex Table Manners member around the same time we did those episodes. Well, it was a bit later, Jessie, and I think I had COVID. I think you had COVID when Callum Turner was on.

35:21Yeah, and I didn't know it, yeah. But back to Dua, maybe she's having a holiday at the moment because she's about to be doing massive shows. She's doing Wembley Stadium. She's touring Asia. I don't know, but I heard word on the street is she's doing the opening of the Olympics, which will have already been out. Wow. So Dua Lipa, booked and busy and just very wonderful. And I saw her the morning of her Glastonbury performance. We were staying in the same hotel near Glastonbury and she is just gorgeous. She gave me a big hug and she was so ready to do it. and she's just a lovely, lovely girl and I can't wait to go and see her live.

35:59I wonder if we inspired her because she's got her own podcast now, Dua Lipa at Your Service, which is great fun. Also, she's an avid book reader and I have to give props to Dua. Two of my favourite books that I've read recently by Douglas Stewart, Shuggie Bain and Young Mungo. She was very much a big champion of Douglas Stewart and those books. So I think you should be in a book club with her mum. I'd love to. Thank you for listening and we'll have another episode of Second Helpings for you next week.

37:13We'll be right back.

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