Second Helpings - Jade Thirlwall

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1:05Hello and welcome to Second Helpings where we give you some of our wonderful guests from years back that we've enjoyed wonderful dinners and chats with This week we have the brilliant Jade She's one of the people that has one name now Like Cher, she's Jade Was she still in Little Mix when we had her? Yes she was It was season 12 It was recorded in Clapham and it was back in 2021 she came over because Little Mix had a greatest hits record out to mark their 10th anniversary and both her bandmates Leanne and Perry were on maternity leave so she was doing all the promo for her last year she's that kind of gal Lenny you made a delicious roast dinner with all the trimmings because we know how much Jade loves a roast dinner and she'd just come from a photo shoot and she looked incredibly glamorous Also, can we also say that Jade has gone on to have such an exciting solo career?

2:02She made the best pop song of 2024. Angel of My Dream. She's so brilliant. I went to watch her at Glastonbury where she absolutely killed it in the woodseed. She's got a gorgeous voice. Yes, she's gifted. She's brilliant. So we're so happy to see all the success she's having. Here it is, Jade on Table Manners.

2:31You've rocked up. You've been kicked out of your cab. I don't understand what happened there. What a little shit. You look so gorgeous. They wouldn't wait for me. Thank you. Describe to the listener what you're wearing. So I am wearing a very colourful, bougie tracksuit. There's some skull. Oversized, colourful. The rainbow colours are fully in there. But what's on the front there? Skull with a knife through it. Oh, a skull with a knife. It looks like you're going to go skateboarding. Yeah, it's giving Ed Hardy. Is it Ed Hardy? No, it's a cheap beverage, I think. Yeah, so that. And then I'm giving you an Ariana Grande ponytail.

3:07I love those. It's a freaking pony. It is, isn't it? I mean, it's... Is that all yours, darling? I wish. Well, a lot of it is, but tickier. Well, Cheryl Cole, when we said, is that your show, she said I bought it. Oh, did she? To be honest, I don't usually wear extra pieces and things, but I've been at a photo shoot a day and I had to give the most. Do you like photo shoots? I hate them. Not really. They go on a bit, don't they? They're quite tedious, aren't they? Stuff around your face and your hair. We did seven looks to do. Wow. How long have you been there? Seven looks? Yeah. So I've been there since this morning.

3:39You're knackered. You need a good... I'm cream crackers. Yeah, I bet you are. I made your roast chicken. Have you actually? I don't know. Because that could bring a tea out in the eye. Oh, God. I made your roast chicken stuffing, roasties. Cauliflower. Cauliflower cheese. Do you know that's honestly my favourite meal in the world? We did get told. It's one of my favourites as well. Northern stodge, Sunday roast, anything roasted is right up my street. We thought that's what you needed after a hard day's work. I really do. Oh, I'm thrilled to be here. Cheers. We've got champagne. Cheers. It is lovely to have you.

4:14Oh, I'm so happy you've made this happen. It's been a long time coming. It has, but you're here now and that's all that matters. But I just have to say, this ponytail is sensational. And the eye makeup is sensational. I kind of feel like you're wasted being in Clapham today when you should be going out to a gay club. I've actually wiped a lot of this off in the car with a baby wave. Because before it was like a big, dramatic, glittery situate. I like all that. But do you like those full lashes or do you like the individual? I like the individuals. Individuals, usually. Mum's a bit more au naturel.

4:48Yeah. No, I'm not au natural. As long as I have red lipstick on, I'm happy. Oh, if you've got a lip on, you're good. How's life? Life is lovely, actually. I'm having a ball at the minute. You're doing loads of promo. Doing lots of promo. The promo's around the greatest hits. Yes, so we've got a sort of greatest hits album happening with a few new tracks. We've just released, well, we've got a song out called Love, Sweet Love. And obviously both the girls are on maternity leave. So how's that working out? Now, are you basically... Is that why you're doing seven looks, babes? I'm just womanning the fort.

5:25So they're not doing the promo, so you literally are taking one for the team? I'm doing the whole shebang, yeah. You're a good girl. No, I'm happy to, because I'd hate to be at home twiddling my thumbs. I like being busy. I like working. So I'm more than happy to do it while they're resting or... But I feel like you're quite... Well, not resting. Have you seen the babies? Are you godmother to both? Well, The Fabulous Rich Auntie is the title, I think. I've seen Leigh's Bubba so far. She's got twins. She had twins, yes. She wasn't even that big. No, she's Diddy. She managed that well, didn't she?

6:07I know, I know. She kept that quiet as well, very well. She did it once. Yeah. That's the way to do it. It was quite obvious to us because she is so tiny. and like she had this big belly. I felt like to us it was obvious she was having twins. But yeah, I went to see them, yeah, not so long ago actually and they're beautiful. I haven't seen Perry's yet, I'm going to go and see her soon. But I was also like, you know, I wanted to give them a bit of space because we are literally sisters and we're obsessed with each other but I didn't want to like intrude and remind them of work too soon, do you know what I mean?

6:40So I give them a bit of time. But yeah, it's very strange seeing them as mums because I always see us as like kids still. I don't know why. I feel like it never leaves you. The moment you get famous at a certain age. How old were you when you got chosen? I was 18. Talisa, it wasn't. Yeah, it was Talisa. She was our mentor. You were 18? I was 18. Perry was 17. Bloody hell. Yeah, and like they say, don't know like when you get famous, that's the age you kind of stay a bit. That's quite good, isn't it? Yeah. So, okay, so let's talk about you and your food and growing up in Newcastle. South Shield.

7:18South Shield. Just outside Newcastle. Okay, sorry. No, no, it's fine. And what's that famous thing they all eat there? Palmy. Palmy, yeah. That's what Cheryl talked about, isn't it? It's like chicken with cheese on the top. Yes. And it's very slimming. It is, yeah. Well, I mean, I'm not so sure about it. It's a Geordie food. Yeah, I've grown up loving Northern Stodge. Mince and dumplings. Have you heard of that delicacy? Yeah, I've heard about it. Can you get it anywhere very good in London? No, very rare. I don't think anywhere does it. Do you make your dumplings with suet? Suet, yeah. Do it properly.

7:53Have you tried to make it yourself? Yeah, I can make a mince and dumplings. And does Jordan like that? Well, he doesn't eat red meat, so I try doing a veggie one, but it's just not the same. With corn, it's not going to do the same. No, it's got to be the proper lamb or beef mince. Yeah. I bought some mince by Richman's, you know who make the sausages? Oh, yeah. And it looks exactly like beef mince, the way they've done it. What is it, pork mince? No, it's soy mince. Oh. And it looks exactly like, you have a look. I would try red meat, because I've tried the vegan sausages. And are they good? They're all right, actually, yeah.

8:26The veggie sausages, but I love a vegetarian sausage. It's so annoying being with a vegetarian, if you're not. I know, because as a northerner, we love red meat and lamb and mints and mince pies and steak bakes from Greg's. state baked we love it all the stodgy are the better so yeah but also being part arab as well i grew up having a lot of curries yes so my mom heritage yeah my mom's half yemeny and quarter egyptian how exciting so then i want to know what was on the dining table so well my granddad used to cook a lot for me and he'd make it's it is literally just called yemeni chicken soup which is like chicken on the bone and it's quite a watery texture.

9:13A broth? Yeah, kind of brothy and it's just goodness, lots of spices. Lots of flavoured with. Lots of flavour. Cardamom, what else is in there? Turmeric. Cumin? Cumin. Cinnamon? Not cinnamon. All the Arab spices combined. Raghunate, probably. Yeah. Or something like that or sumac or something. And then you make with it. arrow bread which is like so easy to make it's literally just butter flour and uh i'd love to try that was it like a flatbread yeah very flat very buttery can you make that i can make that yeah jay will you give us your recipes i absolutely will because i absolutely are you a good cook um uh no you did bake off didn't you i did bake how did you do i actually won it oh but it was like Best of a bad bunch.

10:03I really lucked out that week because I went into it thinking, you're going to be terrible. I love to bake, but I'm not that good at it, but I just really enjoy it. What was your showstopper that really stopped the show? Actually, I did a gingerbread and meringue Little Mix concert. Aww. Yeah, it was really cute. But on the day, I prepared and prepared and I thought, it's okay, I can do this, but I can see why when people get in the tent they have meltdowns because it is quite stressful. Is it hot in there? It's hot. Why is it so hot? Because you're just in a little baking oven, I guess. Oh, yeah.

10:37And they've got loads of ovens going. And they do it in the summer. Always in the summer, yeah. I suppose it adds to the drama, doesn't it, when you have the meltdown over chocolate? What was Paul Hollywood really like? I fancy him. Me too. What is it? It's the eyes. It's the eyes. He's so gorgeous. And you know he's a badden. Yeah. But the eyes are gorgeous. I think he loves that he's the one that walks around and watches you and puts you on edge. Is he quite fit? I mean, is he good looking? Yeah, he is. He was a bit shorter in real life. It's so disappointing, isn't it? They're always short, aren't they?

11:10He was definitely shorter than I thought he was going to be. But he was lovely. But yeah, it puts you on edge a bit because you're already flapping because you know if you're cooking for someone, well, you'll know exactly what it's like. You want to impress them, don't you? Yeah, you do. When you've got them peering over you every two seconds as you're doing it and then asking you questions as you're cooking. You're like, I'm sifting. I'm measuring. And he was talking about, don't worry, we swear all the time. Oh dear, that's all right then. And did he talk about your soggy bottoms and things like that?

11:35Yeah, because I think for the, it's not the technical, the one where you can't see it until they reveal it to you. Oh, yeah. It was a cherry lattice pie. Oh my God. But luckily for me, in lockdown, my mum had literally just taught us all with her FaceTime how to make a pie. So I looked out there as well. It was like all the stars aligned. The gods were on your side. Really did. And I was like, oh, I know just how to make a pie. not a cherry one but uh so you had your mom cooking a lot yes my mom loves to cook and so she was kind of doing lattice pies yeah and then any sort of pie any pie any pie you know corned beef pie oh right mince pie but that's mince meat pie yeah yeah not a christmasy one it's literally like mince meat with gravy and onions that sounds lovely anything with gravy on is a winner for me So were you a fussy kid?

12:26I mean, Jordan seems to think I'm quite fussy, my boyfriend, because I think I grew up just liking what I like. I feel like my mum only made us what she liked as well, so it was, you know, Sunday roast, mince and dumplings, you know, pies, fish and chips. Very, like, standard, you know, British cuisine, I suppose. And then on the other hand, it would be, like, curries and Arab food. Where's your dad from? So my dad's from England, yeah, he's white British. probably a bit of Irish. And where did they meet? So they actually met via my uncle, who was in the army and was friends with my dad and introduced my mum to my dad, and that's how that kind of came about, yeah.

13:08But there's quite a big Yemeni community in my hometown because we live right on the port of Tyne. So my granddad was in the Merchant Navy as a fireman, came over to the UK and met my nana, who was Egyptian. Oh, how lovely. Yeah. But I think my nana died when my mum was really young, so we remarried. But, yeah, so that's kind of how that happened. So when you marry Jordan, and you heard it here first, are you going to have a bit of an Egyptian theme to the wedding? Maybe, I don't know. Are you going to come in on a throne like Cleopatra? Maybe I should. I mean, I love being as extra as possible.

13:46Yeah, I think the Cleopatra look would be, the eyes are already there. But you're obsessed with Diana Ross. Yes, she's my idol. This is your ultimate. Absolute idol. How did that happen? So I genuinely believe growing up that my mum was Diana Ross. Because she looked the spit of her. Really? Your mum has big hair? Yeah, she had the big hair and she's got big, dewy eyes. And she let me believe that she was Diana Ross. And every time she'd go to the bingo with her friends, she'd be like, I'm going to do a concert. And I'd be obsessed. Oh my God, I love this. So I wanted it to be just like her. She's so naughty.

14:18I know, I know. And this went on for a while. Did you feel let down when you found out she wasn't Diana Ross? Yeah, a little bit And you had the most amazing fancy dress birthday party Yes, I dressed up as that Mum, you need to see this picture I'll show you It was pretty iconic How old were you? Oh, it was only a couple of years ago Oh, it was two years ago But I did all growing up Like I'd go to the school disco And all the cool kids would be in like Hull and X and rah-rah skits And I'd turn up in like a chiffon Diana Ross gown I love this Yeah, so extra So did your mum know you were going to be a star from a young age?

14:52I think so. She definitely believed in me a lot. Did you go to ballet? I did ballet, yes. Did ballet and tap. So what grade did you get to? Well, I remember there was a conversation about doing an audition for Royal Ballet, because I was really diddy. Royal Ballet? I mean, it never happened. I didn't have me Billy Elliot moment. This is very similar to Cheryl. Yeah, no, I loved it. And I think I just didn't love it enough, though, to do it properly. because I got to the point where everyone started, you know, when you go on points and it's so damaging for your feet. You only want to do it really if you want to be a ballerina and, you know, mess your feet up like that.

15:27Yeah, it's true, yeah. Because I had friends that had like ingrown toenails and, you know, it was a hot mess and I just thought at that point I said to me, oh, nah, I can't be bothered. So when you went for that audition, you'd obviously watched X Factor? Yes. So I auditioned for the first time when I was 15 and I got through to boot camp. And they made me do that awkward thing where all the camera crew came to me school and I had to stand on stage assembly and be like, I've got the X Factor. And then I had to come back a few weeks later and be like, oh, I didn't get through. And it was mortifying.

16:00Oh, babe. I know, they really hyped it up. But then you did get through. Yes, and I auditioned again. Yeah. Got through to boot camp again. Why did you decide to audition again? Because you just wanted it. I just thought, for me... And you didn't know anybody in the industry? No, I'm from a very small, working class northern town and i'd write songs and i knew i wanted to be a singer and i'd send in tapes to you know london in the hopes i'd get scouted or whatever so for someone like me me and my family i could never have afforded to move to london yeah so that's why i really did appreciate shows like the expat back then because it gave you know people like me an opportunity to you know try and make it so yeah i went three times and then third time got put in the group I'm lucky, baby.

16:44So, life on the road. Yes. Are you missing it? Yes. Massively. How do you do? I mean, I believe, like, you are mega pop star. Girl group, pop star. I believe that, you know, you're doing arenas. Like, I want to know what food is on your rider, what you're demanding. I mean, I don't believe that you demand anything, Jade. You're too polite. But I need to know, because, I mean, mine's an academy tour and I'm going to have a lovely time, but I just need some tips of something that's excellent on your rider. I mean, we're not that diva-ish, to be honest. It's like... Do you have anything that you can't live without?

17:19I always have popcorn on the road. Oh, that's nice. I like popcorn as a snack. Yep, that's a good idea. You seem to get gassy, though, no? Yeah, and there has been a few times where, like, there'll be, like, popcorn in my teeth when I'm performing. I really feel it. It's one of those, they get stuck in your teeth, don't they? Oh, babe, and it's a bugger to get out. But it's, like, a good, light snack, I think. But I always have Yorkshire tea. I love Yorkshire too. On the rider. That's the only one I have. Are you an airplane eater? We love airplane food. Do you know what? I'm the one that gets, because obviously we're in our business, the budget allows it with the label and stuff, but I always ask for the economy menu.

17:53You're kidding. Why? They're just doing bog standard chicken curry. That's all I want. I don't want this posh, chewy beef off the airplane. Oh, I love it. Sometimes they can't make posh food nice on an airplane. Does that make sense? So what is the posh food that you've been introduced to that you actually quite like? That I like? Yeah. You're like, oh, I kind of like this life. I don't know. You a sushi girl? No, I don't like sushi. I don't blame you. I think I was a bit scarred. Give me a dumpling. A dumpling any day of the week. We went to Japan once and we had a team. I presume you're quite big in Japan.

18:32You're big everywhere. Yeah, we do quite well in Japan. And Japan's like my favourite place in the world. Why? It's just like a different world. and they don't care that you're British. It's like, you either learn our language or you get lost in Japan. I love it. Is your audience older there or younger? A bit of everything, actually. We did a festival once and I remember seeing in the crowd a lot of grown men in little mixed T-shirts. And this was back in the early days. Was this in Japan? Yeah. How did you feel about that? Were you like, finally, the men? I don't know. Were you like, fuck off?

19:04The majority of my personal male fans are usually LGBT. And we love that. Yeah. But in Japan, it was different, I think. I don't know. They just love pop culture. They love girl bands. They love boy bands. But yeah, there was one time I went and they made us do this live TV thing. And in their culture, it's very rude to not accept food. Like, you have to eat it. What's you doing? We went to a fish market and it absolutely fucking stunk. And I'm very bad with bad smells. I wreck very easily. It was in Tokyo? Yes. The famous fish market. Yeah, the famous fish market. At four in the morning or something, yeah.

19:37And then we sat down, and this was live TV, they presented us with, like, raw sushi. But it was, like, raw chicken sushi as well. Oh, my God, you'll get bloody salmon. But it's rude not to, so I had to eat it and pretend I loved it on live TV. And then go through it. Oh, honestly, it's giving us watery mouth thinking about it. Oh! I hate it. So maybe that's God as a bit, but... What's your favourite drink? As in alcohol? Yeah. I keep a classy and have a Malibu, do you know what I mean? Don't you like it, Matt? With Malibu. With pineapple? Pineapple, yeah. Or like orange juice. We should have got some in.

20:12I know, but it's like, I feel sometimes I'm embarrassed asking for it because it is a very like 14-year-old drink, isn't it? It's definitely kind of a holiday romance drink. Is that what you... I think that's why I like it. It reminds us of being on holiday. Yeah. I was drinking lots. I'd just been to meet my other daughter in the Bahamas. Only because I couldn't get into America. I didn't need another holiday. My tiny violin is... Oh, shit. Oh, that's such a shame. So we went and it was all cocktails. It was Bahama Mama, yellow birds with galley. I know, yeah. Yeah. I like a Mai Tai. A Mai Tai and a daiquiri.

20:45I love a daiquiri. I want to know how this relationship, like this beautiful relationship between you and the LGBTQ community happened because it is a thriving, beautiful, real relationship. Like particularly you have. how did when did you notice that this was um a romance i feel like it's always been a part of my life like being an ally but it's not until like the past few years that i've understood what it means to be an ally and how to do that properly but i suppose if i was like going right to the root of it i think even from my first love was drag culture before you know sort of lgbt scene and as at a very young age i didn't really obviously understand what that was i would just see these divas like Diana Ross or Cher and be obsessed with them.

21:33Have you ever been to Funny Girls in Blackpool? No, I haven't, but I know I'd love it. I know I'd love it. It's absolutely, it's like being in Paris. Obsessed, obsessed. I mean, ish. Ish, okay. But with a little sprinkle of Blackpool, but we love that. I love a bit of Blackpool. But, you know, once a year, me and my family would always go to Benidorm and we'd go and see all the drag acts and they'd always... Oh, they have drag acts? Yeah. I didn't know that, did you? And they'd always emulate, you know, the big queens. and I'd watch it and I'd be fascinated. Yeah, there'd be loads of Diana Ross drag queens, obviously Shane.

22:05They'd do the Spice Girls and I'd just watch it and be like, who are these amazing adult cartoons? And I'd love the big hair and I'd try and copy it and the makeup. So that was kind of like my first love of drag culture. And then I always found I'd come home. Like my dad and all of these cis, hetero men around me would love it and then we'd get back home and it was like suddenly not celebrated anymore. was very bizarre so i would always associate benedon with this magical land where like anyone was accepted and then you'd come back home and it'd be like oh no we're not into that you know what i mean so and then i'd get into musical theater and i had a lot of lgbt friends you know during my teenage years a lot of gay friends who couldn't come out or i would have to be their beard or they'd have to move out of south shields to feel like they could live somewhere do you think It's hard up north.

22:55It's really hard. I think it's that, like, yeah, a bit more small-minded, a bit of an old-fashioned mentality. And I don't think it's necessarily that... For a lot of people, they are willing to listen, but they just don't understand it, because, you know, it's, like, passed through generations, isn't it? So if your granddad is, like, you know, being brought up to be homophobic, then, of course, their son is going to then, you know, listen to that. Until they're gay. Yeah, exactly. And that toxic masculinity just seeps through each generation until somebody tries to, you know, change it. So, yeah, it was very like that growing up.

23:29And so from a very young age, I sort of understood that it was wrong. And I didn't agree with it, but I didn't know how to express, I suppose, that I didn't agree with it. And then moved to London. You're so articulate when you explain it. Oh, thank you. Really, you explain it beautifully. Oh, that's lovely to hear, actually. Sometimes I worry about my being articulate, being a broad georgie. You're so articulate. But no, also you feel such a level of responsibility as an ally. Yeah, yeah. And I think I moved to London and of course it was my gay friends that took me in and took me out to all the gay bars.

24:03And, you know, I was what I would consider like a basic bitch ally at that point. Basic bitch. So, you know, very much loved the scene, loved my gay friends, would turn up to every event, but wasn't really an active ally, so to speak. So, yeah, that kind of went on for a bit. and then as the band grew, our LGBTQ audience grew and then I think it just got to a point with me where I thought we're very much benefiting from this audience and not giving much back in return and so that's kind of when I decided I wanted to be a better ally. I'd get messages from fans who were in the closet or were struggling or were from a country where it's illegal and so I was like, oh wow, I've actually got a platform here and I could really be doing more about that.

24:51So would you perform in Russia? I would initially say no, but then, for instance, we got a gig in Dubai one time and in my mind it was like I either don't go or I go and make a statement and give my fee to a charity. So I think it's case by case. I've got no intention of going to somewhere like Russia or any time soon because I obviously don't believe in what's going on there. but at the same time those places more than anyone else kind of need people to turn up and be an ally and you know fly that flag for them so they don't feel so alone and I think as an Arab woman as well it's very important for me with my Middle East fans to show them that they can have someone you know to look up to and realize they're not alone in it sort of thing so yeah I guess it depends but yeah I reached out to Stonewall initially and asked to like meet with them and like sort of teach me how to be a better ally and just learn more about it and the history behind you know LGBT rights and all that stuff and it's just been like a gradual thing and now yeah I feel like I have sort of organically cemented myself um in that world and yeah I feel like there's obviously still a lot more I probably could be doing but I'm doing my best and that's all that matters I think You are doing your best.

26:12Yeah. And you explain it beautifully. But back to food. Obviously. What would... I mean, I'm getting an inkling that you like, like, you know, quite scodgy. How often do you go to Greg's, honestly, trade? Honestly, I live in Canary Wharf and they've just, they're just about to open one. Oh my God. I love that you're not interested. What was that because of me? Because nobody else in Canary Wharf is asking for a Greg's. Forget Garcho Grill. Forget all of that. I'm shocked. I'm shocked it's happening. I absolutely understand that because they're sandwiches. They're actually good, aren't they? They're tuna crunch.

26:46Their tuna crunch is the best. I thought I stopped it. Why? I don't know. Out on a bloom of bread. It's very good. It's gorgeous. It's very good. Sweetness to the tuna and I appreciated that. And they're just lovely. I love that they're quite old school that you turn up and they've still got their hats on and stuff. You know, every time you go there it's like, oh, can I have a fresh one? I give her five minutes. But then out of a sausage roll that is that long. Fucking Ed Sheeran at his wedding had Greg's sausage rolls piles up in a fucking pyramid. I feel like I would do that. That and Toby Carvery is a raw stone.

27:15Oh my God. Toby Carvery? Yeah. All the gravy. I'm going to make a good gravy tonight. Now, I just need to understand Toby Carvery because I... They don't have them in London, I don't think. I've seen... I think I've been to one in Isle of Wight. I love them. Same. You eat as much as you want. Yeah, I do like that. You can keep going back. You know that we love that. But is Toby Carvery a chain or is it... It's a chain. It's a chain. No, it's chain, darling. Okay. But I don't think many do that, like, buffet style, do they? There used to be one on the corner in Dulwich. The Grove was a carvery, yeah.

27:50Yeah. I love a carvery. Same. Well, I guess we kind of got our fix with the BHS Christmas Dins when we go and serve our, we love that. I used to love British Home Store's Christmas Dins. I'm so sorry they closed down. They're canteen. You go there for your Christmas dinner. We used to go there, Newcastle. You have a little chipolata with your stuffing. I loved it. I love it. So I'm getting, you won bake off. She likes normal food, darling. Normal food. So let's go into your last supper. You're about to go to a desert island forever. And you're having your last meal. No, darling, six months. No, I feel like we need to make the stakes a bit higher.

28:30A year. All right. Starter, main, pud, drink. Starter would have to probably be a soup. really not many people say that like uh danielle heim said it and i poo-pooed her and then i realized that yours is my chicken soup so i don't like if you make a good soup like anyone can make a soup it's quite easy yeah but you know when you get an elite one and you get a gorgeous bread with it a dip in are you going like yemeni like are you going that yeah like a yemeni chicken with the flat bread with the flat bread okay buttery as hell dipped in i need to make this is it lemony No. It's just Yemeni. It's just Yemeni.

29:11It ain't lemony, it's Yemeni. Okay, so that's your starter. Yeah. With bits of chicken in it. Yeah. So it's almost like stewy. Falling off the bone. Beautiful, love it. Yeah, stewed. I'm really into this. I'm going to Google doing a soup like that. It's so easy to me. Is it? Yeah. Will you send us a recipe? I will, actually. Do you know what? When my grandad died, we all were looking for a recipe and we couldn't find one anyway because he wouldn't tell me. He wouldn't tell me. And I thought, you've took that in your grave. How dare you? That's so nice. And it was only like two years ago we finally found the recipe online.

29:40And it's a decent one. And what's it called? And I cried when I had it. Because you know when a taste takes you back, I'd not had it for years. What's it called? Yemeni? It's literally just called Yemeni chicken soup. And the bread's called Chubs. Chubs? Yeah. Arab bread. And yeah, it was like, it took us back to being a little girl. It was amazing. I think it's amazing when food does that, actually. You know, it kind of reminds you of a beautiful memory. Ask Jessie. Oh, yeah. Food is her most important thing. in every European country. Exactly. Okay, so Maine. Maine is probably a Sunday roast.

30:14And by your mother? Yeah, because nobody makes it like your mum. Yeah. Don't you think? I hope so. Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, I think my husband prefers his mother's. Like, mums just make the best food. I feel like when you give birth, you're given, like, the superpower of, like, best cook, best shoulder to cry on. I mean, my kids would disagree with you because they've never fucking eat my food at the moment. Do they not? Do they eat mine? Yeah, they eat mums, though. But I think there's, like, an emotional connection between mothers and food because, like, I always remember no matter what would happen if I'd come in crying from school, my mum would be like, do you want mince and dumplings?

30:53And that would be like, oh, no. She sounds like my kind of woman. Do you know what I mean? Like, they just know what to make you. She sow things through food. Yes. And it's very much like, you know, when you walk in a northern house it's like if you don't get offered a cup of tea then that's quite rude so anything can be solved with a cup of tea yeah is your mum a bit like my mum was that if you open the fridge door there's enough to feed at least five thousand people honestly for two days during covid i feel like my mom generally thought she was like gonna be housing south shields to feed them for the unforeseeable yeah i'm a bit like that and my brother like walks in the house and he always goes in the freezer and picks out what he wants and leaves with it.

31:32It's very that. We've actually got Arab hubs that my granda made in my mum's freezer that are just there forever. Oh, stop. Yeah. And my mum's like, if anyone does touch them and thinks it's rubbish... The freezer better not bloody break down. Do you know what I mean? So, listen, you like Greg's and you obviously like a sandwich. I love a sandwich. What's your best feeling? Of a sandwich? Yeah. This is a bit weird. Go on. So, the first bit's normal. tuna and salad cream with sweet corn with cheese and onion crisps inside I understand it's like a tuna melt it's stunning white bread or brown bread white bread that is an elite crisp sandwich an elite crisp sandwich maybe we should make a cookbook of all the elite sandwiches but Jade's coining elite crisp sandwich Okay, I like it.

32:27And what would... We haven't got... We haven't got... We've got soup. So what's your main... Yeah, we've got the roast. You know, with all the trimming. Which means... And then you put... Lamb and gammon. You have them together? Yeah. Oh, wow, she really does. I double did. Oh, I should have... Maybe I should have done lamb tonight. But I love chicken as well, by the way. Do you? Yeah, yeah. Chicken's a go-to. Yeah, but I would... If you're treating yourself... Friday night, yeah, lamb is like... Lamb's like what you get at your Christmas dinners. Yeah, yeah. It's a posh occasion. Okay, so... You're a big pud fan?

32:56Yes. What is your pud? Apple crumbling costas. See, I should have done that. Like a school dinner pudding for me. So, Mum has tried something tonight. I've never made it before. Panna cotta. I've never made it before. But we're a bit worried it hasn't got enough wobble. What do you mean we're a bit worried? No. Well, we both are. Yeah. You are and I are. No, I think I put slightly... So, I've just been in Greece. So, we had... Because before she was in Bahamas, she was in Greece. Right. Mum's really... I'm setting a theme here. Excuse me, I should be retired, travelling. What's that woman called?

33:29Shirley Temple. She's given that. So I have this Greek yoghurt panna cotta. So it's a mixture of cream and Greek yoghurt. I do love that. It was so delicious. So I've made panna cotta, Greek yoghurt panna cotta, with spiced cherries. Oh, darling. So, but I don't know how well the panna cotta's done. But it still has to taste creamy, innit? It will taste nice. It'll still be lovely, I'm sure. How do you get them out, though, of the mould? I did put the vegetable oil around the thing. I'm sure I have to maybe... I'm sure they'll be great. Have you ever had a northern cornflake tart? Yes, with treacle.

34:07Oh, you've had it with jam? I've had it with treacle. So the cornflakes are in treacle. A treacle, you put the cornflakes on the tart. Delicious. And a drink of choice. Is it going to be Malibu? Yeah, probably Malibu and just a normal cup of tea, actually. If it was my last meal... Nobody said a cup of tea. Yeah, if it's my last one, I want to go out with the best cup of tea I've ever had. Do you have sugar? No. Oat milk as well now. I've crossed over because Jordan's super healthy. Is he? And gradually he's trying to make me healthier. So, okay, how was that when you... You live together, right?

34:42Kind of. Kind of, yeah, pretty much. But how does it work? When you're trying to really impress Jordan with a meal, what would impress Jordan? He loves, he likes healthy food. So I can make him a good, like, roast chicken moment with nice herbs. But does he eat chicken? Yeah, he'll eat chicken. He doesn't like chickens, he doesn't mind. But the reason why he doesn't have red meat is because he likes cows and pigs. Oh, he doesn't like, okay, got it. Yeah, don't ask. I've had this conversation as well. But yeah, chicken is fine. Fine? Yeah. So you do a chicken, okay, fine. And is he a good cook?

35:18Yeah, he's quite good. I think he's like Jordan's a type of person where you can like throw something together and it's great Russell it up Do you know what I mean he's one of them But where's his family? Are they in London? Yeah Was he Brighton? Did I make that up? He lived in Brighton for a bit Yeah So he was born in London I think he lived in Brighton through all his teenage years and that's how he ended up being friends with Harley and Rizzle Kicks and all that and then now he lives in Margate Oh wow Wow Very trendy Yeah Do you know what he bought that house years ago before it was cool as well.

35:50Clever boy. Do you go down there? Do you like Margate? I do. It reminds me of home, actually, because it's a little seaside town. Yeah, it's really beautiful, actually. And it's nice for me to have best of both worlds, you know. So I work in London. I've got a flat in London. But it's nice to escape to Margate. There's good food in Margate, too. Yeah. It's definitely getting a bit bougier as well. They do really good fish and chips. Oh, do they? I love how I put bougie and fish and chips together. Yeah, no, but like... I mean, a seaside town should do a good fish and chips. But they've got, you know, really nice trendy, like, coffee shops now that do, like, you know, sourdough bread everywhere.

36:26Sourdough bread. Do you know, every time you blink, I see a little sparkle. Do you? Yeah, it's this light and it has sparkles. There's probably a bit of glitter left from the shoot. Yeah, I think I want glitter. For your birthday? Yeah. You can never go wrong with glitter. No. But be warned, you'll never see a bit. Which is your best Diana Ross song of everything? Which would you put, when you're dressed up, Which would you do your karaoke to? I mean, I love Chain Reaction. Oh, it's not bad. Yeah. Upside Down's up there for me as well. And then my... I'm coming out, no? Oh, surely. Yeah. Yeah.

36:57But mine and my mum's song is When You Tell Me That You Love Me, the ballad. When you tell me that you love me. Yeah. But you don't do Little Mix. Do you do it... Hon, do you sing it together? When I was little, we used to sing it together. Oh, stop! Yeah. Can your mum sing? No, not really. Was that not a giveaway with the old Diana Ross? Not at that age because she'd just say she was going out to sing so I didn't put two and two together Little Mix concerts, you've not done reach out and touch someone I went to a concert and we all had to do it and I hate reach out and touch someone That's probably the cheesiest one to be fair She didn't want to touch the stranger I'm starving, I'm feeling a bit pissed mum Sorry darling, it's coming Me too actually, I've not eaten much today It's almost ready This will sort you out, don't worry.

37:46Yeah, absolutely. Don't worry, we'll all be schluffing and watching, like, you know, telly. I'm just going to make the gravy. Oh, OK. And I'm going to put the things over here in the microwave, and then they're ready. Is your mum always this glamorous? Yes. Oh, God. I love it. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, she... I mean, have you got the red lip on? Ish. Of course. It's come off because I'm drinking. You need to reapply. No, she's always, always glamorous. And I did not learn that. because I'm lazy. My hair's still wet, so I washed it. I know, but for me, I'm very all or nothing. It's either very, very natural or it's super glam drag queen vibes, and that's what I like.

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39:12Jake, how many potatoes, darling? Oh, how long is a piece of string? Two. Three. Three, please. Yes, girl. I love a potato. This is a great day for you, my love. Oh, this looks absolutely stunning. I'm thrilled. This is so lovely. Is it? Yeah. Just what I needed after a long day away. So where would be your first point of call, apart from Greg's? When you get to South Shields, where do you go? apart from your mother's house, what would be the first point of call for food? Is there one place that you absolutely adore? So there's a famous road in South Shields called Ocean Road. Sounds fabulous.

39:54It's not very exotic. It sounds like LA. Malibu? It's got like, it's a road basically full of curry houses. Okay. Oh. And they're usually open like through the night so you can have a night out and then go and have a curry after. Would you do that? Absolutely. I mean, your belly won't thank you the next day. What's your best curry? Again, plain Jane. Just chicken? It's like a chicken tikka masala situation. Do you know what I mean? Which naan do you go for? Peshawari? Not even that, hun. Butter. Yeah, or a parata. Okay. But I also, there's a place in South Shields called Colman's Fish and Chips.

40:28It's like voted the country's best fish and chips. Really? Yeah, it's the best. And that's how I always go there. And what's your order? Cod and chips, obviously. No, but you wouldn't have... There's a theme here. No, Sam. Sam Smith's is a battered sausage. Actually, Sam's missed the whole fucking menu. Yeah, I mean, they also do, like, mushy pea fritters. So it's basically, like, battered mushy pea. That's a bit fancy. That sounds amazing. Yeah, it's so good. This sounds great. Yeah, phenomenal. And that's, like, one of their things that they do that they're quite famous for. Where do you eat in Canary Wharf?

41:01They've actually got a lovely Indian place called Chai Cay. Oh, I don't know it. It's kind of like Dishoom. Oh, we love Dishoom. Yeah, it's very similar to Dishoom. What else have they got there? They've got a rocker there. It's quite nice. I've never been to Rocca. It's lovely. Oh, they've got like posh places. Yeah. Of course they do. They've got a bit of a, they've got like Shake Shack and stuff as well, but they've got lovely restaurants. I've never had a Shake Shack either. Is it good? Yeah, it's good. I prefer In-N-Out. Have you had In-N-Out before? Yes, I have. It's clean, isn't it? Yeah, it's like, it's like obviously not great for you, but it feels fresh.

41:34Fresher than like a Matty D's, isn't it? Now, you know, we've nearly asked you all the food questions that we asked. but I do need to know what your lunchbox was when you were little what was on the front probably groovy chick as a box remember groovy chick bang on the door she was blonde how do you know this mum I don't know and she had like bell bottoms googling it you'll know when you see her she was an absolute hun who is she they did like a whole like birthday cards with her on and loads of things. I had a Groovy Chick Lava Land. Remember her? Yeah, I do. You are younger than me, Jade, so that is really showing that.

42:21So yeah, I had a Groovy Chick lunchbox and then inside it there would usually be a cheese string. I've tried them on my kids and they like it. It's more because it's fun, you peel the bits and it's like you make a little wave. So you have your cheese string and then what would be your... Oh, yeah, would you have the sandwich filling of the tuna mayo and cheese and onion? No, I hadn't discovered that beautiful recipe until a later age. Fine. So it would be, like, ham or something very basic, you know, tuna. Now, I want to talk to you about songwriting, because I know that you and Leanne were kind of the...

42:55I remember when I was doing my own sessions, it would be like I'd be working with people that were working with you. Camille, who we love. Love Camille. Yeah. Shun. Love Shun. brilliant I love her but you and Leanne became kind of the main little mix of writers yeah was that because you were writing you were saying you were writing songs when you were little weren't you yeah we've always written I think Leanne has as well just enjoy that process yeah but you were working with really brilliant women mmhmm which has always been important before lots of people were working with women always very important for us I think I was always you know from the very beginning that was our message you know we looked up the Spice Girls and we felt like it had been a minute since there was another girl band for, like, young girls to look up to.

43:39So we embodied that in every aspect of our career, with anyone creative. You know, we worked with Camille in the very beginning before she, like, really took off. Yeah. Megan Cotone, who we did salute with, she was initially, like, our vocal coach and then we brought her in because we... Who's this? Megan Cotone. I don't know. You've probably met her before. She wrote salute for us, or with us. We were all pretty girls together, actually, which went to Britney Spears. And that was our first cut with another artist. Amazing. Not a bad one. Would you like to write for more artists? Love to, yeah.

44:12I love it. I've got a few cuts coming out soon, which is really exciting. Because I think as a girl band member, it took a long time for people to take me seriously as a songwriter. I think people just assume that you get given songs. So it took a long time to get a publishing deal. What? Yeah. Me and Lee only got a publishing deal like three years ago. And like ten years have been to give a year. So like which songs were you like presenting when you went to these publishing meetings? I mean you would have had like... Every single basically besides like Shout Out and Blackmagic has been written by us.

44:45I do love Blackmagic. Same. Well Camille's pretty much saved our career with Blackmagic. We thought we were going to get dropped. Really? So it was the third album. We wrote a whole album and then we decided to scrap it because it wasn't good enough. The label didn't think it was good enough either and it was just like... It was like third album problem. you know the second album had done good but we wanted to change it up which ones were on the second album so that was the Salute era so it's like Salute Move no you're not Shout Out to My Ex no that was later wasn't it because that was with Camille wasn't it yeah so it was Move on there what else was the Salute album Little Me we did the charity single that year the Word Up cover and so going into the third album we felt a lot of pressure and I feel like the label put a lot of pressure on us as well and they got to the point when there was like rumours going around that we were going to get dropped and we were like shitting ourselves but they hadn't said that you were getting they hadn't officially said it but there was rumours yeah oh Jesus which is even worse isn't it the idea that you think people are I know I mean you know I suppose it's quite hard isn't it for those expert artists you know two albums in already was quite lucky for us but I mean they're not lucky no you are a great great group no we are but it's like it's just it's quite hard oh well if there is any don't worry if there is no sorry I am the slowest eater in the world I'm going to have seconds if there's some carry on speaking yes and so we sat in a meeting it was kind of like it was a very important meeting and we were thinking oh god this is it and then they said Camille's just sent in a song and we think it's going to be the game changer and it was black magic and that was that.

46:33Did you love it? I didn't at first. Did it feel too cute? Well, we'd just done a kind of more R &B album and then Black Magic was like the poppiest we've ever been. Yeah. Which I didn't necessarily mind because I do genuinely love pop music. Yeah. But I didn't get it at first. It felt a bit cheesy for me. No, I mean, I freaking love it. But now I absolutely love it and the more I listen to it, the more I feel in love with it and then I was like, okay, I get it. and actually to be fair to Psycho at the time they put a lot of money into it, they had so much faith they flew us out of the US, we did a big budget video and so it was like oh yeah thank you so yeah it really felt like it was taken off again and yeah it was all thanks to Camille that was the first time we took a song that wasn't written by us as well and I think I was a bit proud in that moment too and I had to put my pride aside and be like no this is a hit but that took to album three for you to take a song from someone else for a single yeah and people just don't realise that I didn't realise that wow well I mean it's just it's not what people I think people have they definitely don't assumptions yeah of and I get it you know because I suppose history does sort of but then saying that people thought about the Spice Girls and actually they did write a lot of them easily did they?

47:50yeah I need to ask you Jade is there one particular scent or smell You were talking about nostalgia and crying over your, you know, eating that Yemeni chicken soup. But no, like, is there any other kind of smell that can just take you somewhere so vividly? Just a terrible burking. Sorry, sorry, that was a burp. Sorry, that was a burp. Sorry. Cracking. It's only a podcast with prose here, darling. Right, sorry. But is there a smell or a taste that just kind of can take you back somewhere? Oh.

48:33Do you have Dixon's here? What? Savaloi shop. No. No, I have... So up north, there's a shop called Dixon's. It's kind of similar to Greg's, actually. Do you know what a Savaloi is? Yes. Like a Savaloi sausage? Yes, I do. So you have, like, a Savaloi dip, and it comes with peas pudding. Oh, nice. I didn't know about that. Right, it's quite famous up north. But I actually can't remember the last time I had one, and probably years and years ago. but that smell of that shop always reminds me of my granddad again because bless him, as you can probably tell, I was very close to my granddad. He passed away when I was like 13.

49:10And, yeah, I feel like it was funny with my granddad because he was a very devout Muslim, but he would do anything to please us and I was obsessed with Savaloy dips. Which I made of poor. Which I made of poor. Oh, shit. So he would take us to, after school, he would take us to Dixon's for a Savloy dip and he'd wait outside the shop. And all his Muslim friends would walk past him and be like, how dare you? And he'd think to please his granddaughter. And so that smell always reminds me of that. So maybe Savloy's, and I think, do you know what I do really miss is, like, the smell of, like, a bakery, but, like, a family bakery and not one in a supermarket.

49:50Because they're a dying breed, aren't they? I've got the best family bakery You've got hers You've got Dunn You mustn't have one really in Canary Wharf No, Canary Wharf doesn't have one No, and it's like the smell of fresh bread Yeah We have one last question to ask you And then I'm going to make desserts Before we delve into dessert Do you have good table manners I think so I don't know all the rules I'm not good with there's rules about your knives and forks and that isn't there but I was never taught that but I think I do have nice manners I think you do I say please and thank you did your mum drill this into you?

50:30yeah and I usually do wait before everyone's sat there unless I'm given the blessing to eat I mean I ordered you you did? yeah I did I was forced to eat you were forced to eat and what is your worst table manner in somebody else? people eating with their mouth open like chomping. Oh God, I think I might have done that. No, you didn't. I would clock it. You're sure? Because it's a thing that I really despise and I would clock it straight away. The sound? Yeah. I can't stand. But I usually, lately, and I think it's an age thing, I have things dropped down my face. No, Mum, it's been for the last like 20 years now.

51:03Okay, fine. It's a big bosom thing. That's not what it is. My bosom doesn't connect with my mouth to make this stuff drop out. For me, I'm very flat chested. So maybe if that happens to me, you don't see it because it drops right down. Yeah. Do you end up with it on your lap? Yeah. Okay, so... Lack of tits. Yeah. Okay. So my man's up here. Penicillin's on an ironing board. What, is that what you just call it? Yeah. Aspirin's. I've never heard that one. Aspirin's on an ironing board. I've honestly never heard that phrase and it's phenomenal. You're welcome. Yeah. Aspirin's on an ironing board, yeah.

51:36All the boys at her school used to call her that. Really? No, fucking Jack used to get the whole coach to sing, ah, flat chest. No. I used to get bullied from your flat chest. I fucking love it. It's chic. Oh, my God. I love it now. But when I first joined the band, I was convinced I was getting a boob job. Really? Yeah, because I just wanted to feel more, like, womanly, which is so ridiculous. And now I love my fashion tits. Yeah, they're fashion tits. And it's good enough for Kate Moss. Do you know what I mean? Exactly. I mean, Kate still has bigger boobs than me. Yeah, she did. But fuck it.

52:05Fuck it. Diana Ross didn't have big boobs. Didn't she? No, she was flat. Not when she was in the Supremes. I don't know. She was kind of a very thin neck. Kia was very thin. Really? How did you know this? Darling, because she was my era, wasn't she, darling? Do you like the Supremes? I do. Let's talk about Dreamgirls. Of all the Tamla Motowns, they're not my favourite favourite, but I love Tamla Motown. But I do love all their songs. But when you saw Dreamgirls, did you think, Dani, you're a bit of a bitch? A little bit. You kind of loved them all. Yeah, I mean, she could read me to filth and I'd love it.

52:45I did actually meet Diana Ross. Oh, my God. It was the best experience ever. I went to see her with my mum in Las Vegas. Oh, wow. At the Wynn Theatre, and then we got to meet her after, and she was really lovely. Did she know about this love you had for her? I think she must have been told that there was, like, a super fan. What were you wearing? What were you wearing? What was I wearing? Ball gown. No, I wore a lovely suit with a glittery vest. I didn't want to, you know... You didn't want to abstage her? No, I'm not. and I didn't want to, you know, look too try hard me mum obviously had her best dress I think she had her favourite jumpsuit on we did the cellars up and I didn't tell me mum that we were going to meet her as well so when we went backstage, me mum was just like oh this is lovely this and then in walks Diana Ross me mum was just like and I did that really, you'll know this when fans come to you and they try and get a picture and the phone doesn't work I was doing all of that and I was like oh look I dressed up as you and it wasn't Lorden and I was like oh fuck this It was just the best, it was the best experience ever.

53:41And then, like, the whole of the rest of the evening, me and my mum were literally just in shock. Like, we've just met Diana Ross. Maybe you should play her in a biopic. I'd honestly, I would die. Maybe you should do that. I would retire after that. If I ever did do my own record, I'd have to have Diana Ross on it somehow. Or I'd love to write a song for Diana Ross. She just doesn't do records, hasn't she? I know, and I tried my best to get involved somehow. Oh, babe, we all did. No, I'm not really... Did you get the email being like, Dan is looking for songs? I didn't get that far. I wasn't taken seriously enough yet in the songwriting world.

54:15I don't understand this. You've written absolute bangers. I think maybe because we do a lot of call rights, like... Because I do genuinely just love collaborating with people. Me too. But sometimes people then see that as, like... I don't know, maybe because they're where the artist think, oh, well, they probably just, like, wrote one line and then got a cut when it's obviously not that way. but I've written Billy Porter's new singer shut up that's huge me and Emma and Nikki and Invisible Men have you worked with them before? no but I've heard about them yeah we wrote a song that's amazing I know and I mean gag at that Billy's supposed to be doing it next week isn't he?

54:53is he? so he's probably going to talk about his single yeah well then we can just thank you very much for that piece of info tell him that I love him I haven't met him yet what? I met him at a fashion thing and he was really fabulous yeah he's amazing and actually that song which would be good to know for him actually I don't think he knows this so me and Uzo M and Ike went in a session together to write for Billy and I was like so tell me a bit about Billy because he's met him before I was like tell him about his personality so I feel like I'll write a better song if I know him and so he was telling us all about Billy and he was like he was doing impersonation of when he spoke to him that's fine and he was like oh he was saying to me like you know we've got to let the children know and I was like that's the song And so the song is, gotta let these children know what time it is.

55:37And it's all about how he's, like, been there, done that. I think Lyric has been there, done that, worn that dress, you know, Mama knows it best. And it's very calm and fabulous. What clever. Did you love Pose? Oh, yes. Will you try a panna cotta? Absolutely. Of course I will. I'm excited about this one. Me too. I'm going to try and get them out the mould. Do you need any help? So basically, when you go on, when you see them on the MasterChef, they look for the wobble. I don't think mine's going to wobble. Do you want to pass your plate? So maybe it'll be like a creamy Haribo. Oh, piss off, Jessie.

56:09Maybe. Well, that's okay. That was honestly, that dinner was gorgeous. Was it nice? Good, darling. Thank you so much.

56:20Got a little bit of a wobble. Oh, Mum, yeah. It does. Oh, my God, Jessie. It's wobbling. It looks lovely. Does it? The presentation's just... Oh. Squizy. Mum, this is delicious. It's actually beautiful. Is it? Yeah. Does it taste of Greek yoghurt? Yes. It is actually. Hints of Greek yoghurt. Light. Yes. Sourness. And I'm really getting the spice cherries. Wow. No, it is nice. It tastes yoghurt-y. It is. Whose recipe is this? Lorraine Pascal? Yeah. Thanks, Lorraine. I changed it slightly. How did you change it? I had to add some ingredients. Why? Because I wanted more yoghurt. Mum, this is great.

56:59It's nice and light, actually. Yeah. I know what your karaoke song's going to be, but just confirm. Diana Ross and the Supremes, Baby Love. Did you know that? Ooh, baby love. Oh, wow, we're not a little mixed in. Watch here, we in. I'm loving it. Wow. It does start high, doesn't it? Ooh, baby love. Now we're cooking. My baby love, I need you. Oh, how I need you. You're doing an angel. Okay, but if you were going to do a little mix song on karaoke, what would you do? And whose part would you take? Oh, wow. I feel like Power's a good karaoke song because I feel like with karaoke as well, you want to big sing sometimes.

57:46Yeah, you've got to sing that. The power. Okay, which bit would you do? I mean, I'd attempt Perry's, but probably not very well. Perry's got the range. Leah's too, to be fair, but Lord knows I'm an alto. Are you? Well, I'll belt if I have to, but it's an effort, you know. Are you the blender? Yeah, I love a harmony. I'm the harmony girl. And I feel like my head voice is my strong thing. I love your head voice. Yeah, that's my thing, I think. I can belt, yeah. But I definitely, like, if I do it too much on two, if I do a really high note, I'll feel like I'm going to shit myself. And on that note.

58:34I loved hearing about Jade's glamorous mum. Me too. And all the recipes. I know. Of her Lebanese heritage. Yeah, didn't she send you? Yeah, she sent me recipes. That's so sweet. Handwritten, beautifully. And also just love that she could then go and take her mum to meet her icon, Diana Ross. Well, she's a lovely, warm person who I enjoyed meeting so much. And wonderfully funny too. Sparkly, just an open book. And I loved the sound of the battered mushy peas. That sounds fantastic. Thank you to Jade for coming on Table Manners all those years back. We'll have to get you and Jordan on, your lovely boyfriend, who we did a brilliant live show with, I think, back in 2024.

59:17But yeah, we'll have more of Second Albans for you next week.

59:27Thank you.