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1:05Hello and welcome to Second Helpings with me, Jessie and Lenny Ware. And we're finishing off this Second Helpings. With a big one. Well, she was actually the season opener on season 15 back in February 2023. She had a bit of an entourage that came to the house. But I forgave her because she was just the most fantastic guest. She was so warm, it's pink. And mum, what did you do for the menu? I did a pink meal, really. Yeah, now that I think about that, it's kind of bonkers. I think I did, what was it, salmon. You did pink salmon with salsa verde. Yeah. Well, pink and green go very well together.

1:41Yeah, they do, darling. Pink raspberry and champagne possets. And I put little hearts on them with raspberry dust. We really liked pink, didn't we? Yeah, we did. She was one of the warmest people. She really was. No nonsense. No nonsense. Very straightforward. Adores her children. Pink coming up on second health.

2:04We have Pink here in Clapham looking just how I expected her to let me... She's here, you're in the flesh. The quiff's there. You rock and roll. You've walked in, you've hugged everybody. Everyone loves you. You smell great and you're here. I smell great. Yeah. I worked on that. How is London so far? I know you've had a full day and I'm sorry. I'm so happy. Are you kidding me? Hopefully you can relax. It's not often I get to go to someone's home in London. And drink wine. And drink wine and get cooked for. This is amazing. I'm good. I landed yesterday. The flight was easy. The seat was comfortable.

2:41It's the first time I've been away from my kids in a very, very, very, very, very long time. How did that feel? I woke up this morning and my first thought was, where am I? And my second thought was, I might have a panic attack because I'm not used to being away from my children. Which proves the codependency is real. so hang on now i feel slightly guilty that when i was in south america away from them i woke up and thought i have a little fart in bed and then i'm gonna watch a bit of netflix and then i'm gonna go to the gym and i'm not i'm gonna i don't know how to function without them really yeah we're just like we just move through the world together and that's what i saw in the documentary yeah but there was that beautiful we'll drink through it i can bring some of my Because you can put them to bed if you want.

3:29Because they're sick right now too. Oh shit. So I was caring for them all week. That's really hard. And then I left them with dad. And I'm like, God bless us all. I hope this goes well. Are they feeling a bit better today? Yeah, they're getting better. Yeah, or I wouldn't have come. Colds or Noro or something. I don't know. They're just little Petri dishes. They really are. And you know what? It's that thing. It's like Domino. Where one gets one. Oh yeah. And you go, right, I've got to wake another week. And then the next one will be going. And when I'm on tour, I'm like, oh cool. so I'm not singing in five days awesome that's what I found the documentary which I just told you I adored and I aspire to have that level of touring where we're not all well I mean I tried to take in my daughter at 18 months and she had like the star room and I was in the bunk which is fine I was like first time having a star room and my 18 month old just got it with my husband I didn't know that.

4:18But I thought it just, you looked like you were having, no doubt it was so hard. And there was a bit where Jameston got sick and you were like on the phone to the doctor and you had like a gig the next day. But you still would, of course, prefer them to, did you always tour in the summer so that they can be there? Because it's like summer holidays. No, they've always had tutors. When I'm on tour, they're homeschooled. Yeah, I mean, we've always just gone together and no one wants to hear me complain, but touring as a mom is impossible. It's absolutely impossible. It's not even a good idea, but we do it because it's what we're going to do.

4:53And I've had to explain to the, no offense, but I've had to explain to the men many times that, you know, mostly and not always, not always because there are single dads out there, but they go to work and close the door behind them and then don't think about their kids until they're home. and for me I it's all I think about like there's no door that I walk through they just I literally can't even go to the bathroom alone like they they're just they sleep in my bed still youngest six they still sleep in my bed really and yeah we're just Jesse wouldn't have that would you darling I love it but I'm a worrier so it's easier to just reach over and take their temperature with my hand than it is to have to get up out of bed go to their room we put Willow in her room when she was three and carrie and i looked at each other and i was like and he goes you should go get her i'll go get her this was a terrible idea she's so far away and then she's closer to the front door if someone were to come in they would hit her room first i'm like oh my god yeah this is what yeah i'm jewish oh yeah do you have a mirror by her breath i used to i used to yep i used to like pray over this girl when she was a baby i actually have a really weird story if you want to hear it of course okay so I think in hindsight I had postpartum right okay and it's sort of to me felt like you're under you don't realize you're under a cloud until the sun starts shining that's how I describe it and I was so I had never known love like that I'd never known real real love until amazing become a mom and I was so afraid of losing her like crazy afraid psychotic kind of afraid just not normal afraid I don't know what normal is but I would pray and tell God like take me a thousand times before you take her like just please let her be okay please let her be okay.

6:49How old was she at this point? A baby. I was really afraid of SIDS which is sudden infant death like all these things my mind was just and I I would like to be able to excuse it as postpartum I don't know then I'm touring she's 14 months old we've been on the road for about five months um I'm exhausted I haven't slept I didn't sleep the first 14 months of her life. I go to my, my girls, my band and dancers, my women who've been with you for a very long time. Yeah. I haven't told anybody this. I I'm completely ashamed of my, of what I'm doing at night that I'm staying, I'm not sleeping. And, um, one by one, the women of my crew come into me and say, there's this card reader in Adelaide, Australia.

7:31You have to go and see her. And I was Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. So I go. And it's literally like the movie Ghost. You go in a crystal shop in this strip mall. And then you go down the back stairs. And you're in a tapestry warehouse. And you think Whoopi Goldberg's going to come out from behind the sheets. Like, put a penny up the wall. But this little Australian lady comes out. And she's shuffling the cards. And she puts them down. And she says, I just want to tell you, I know who you are. I'm not going to give you a card and say, I see a microphone. I know. she's like here's what I know about you because I don't listen to popular music so I don't know your songs but I know that you're a singer I know that you're on the road I know that your band and dancers have all been to see me and I know that they love you very much and I know that you have a child and that's what I know about you I was like great thank you then she shuffles the cards again and she puts them down and I swear to you the mohawk on the back of my neck went up and she said that praying you've been doing over your daughter Willow I can explain it if you'd like and I was like, what?

8:32And she goes, do you believe in reincarnation? I said, yes, actually I do. And she said, well, you and Willow's lifetimes go back to Celtic times together, like 16 ,000 lifetimes together or something. She said, so in some of those lives you've lost each other. And sometimes tragically, she's like, so that's what you're feeling. She's like, I can't tell you about the next one, but I can tell you for this one, you can put that down for this one. You're like puppies and it's a joyous coming back together. And for this one, it's going to be okay. And I literally like, I was dehydrated from crying.

9:06And I took the invisible elephant off my shoulders and put it down. And she goes, is there anything else I can do for you? I was like, no. And I walked out of there a different parent. I knew in the marrow of my bones that what she was telling me was true. I believed it to be true. And so it just changed everything. I have a little more faith in the universe now. Have you been to see her again? No. Would you ever? Oh, absolutely. I might go. See if there's a rich husband there. Way to lighten things up. How old's Willow now? 11. And do you go to synagogue, temple? No. Are you religious? Not really.

9:43We practice, like we light the candles for Hanukkah. And I cook the meals and we celebrate certain things. We celebrate Christmas. I'll celebrate literally anything. Yeah, we do too. I love lighting the candles and singing the songs and cooking the food and making challah and all that. But I don't actually believe in organized religion. I believe in spirituality and God and the universe and whatever that means. But I just don't believe that one group is right and everybody else is wrong. So how were you brought up, Jewish? Like within your family? Just that. Hanukkah. Okay. That's it. Hanukkah.

10:14My mom's parents disowned her for marrying a Catholic. And my dad was a Catholic atheist who went to Vietnam and went to Catholic school and says the nuns prepared him for Vietnam. So my house was just, we were wild. And let's talk about that wild house full of lots of different beliefs and faith. Full of kugels. Kugels. Full of kugels and matzo ball soup. Was it good eating? Oh yeah. What's a really memorable dish from your, like who was cooking? Okay, if my dad cooked, it would be spaghetti with bacon bits on top. Was it delicious? Like the ones that you got in like the carton, the bacon bits.

10:51Yes. Oh, not carbonara. Carbonara? No, but you get them in pizza hot. You put them on your... Oh, the dry, bitter, dry... Tasty. I mean, delicious. God bless him. He tried. Like a kind of carbonara? Like a marinara. Okay, got it. No, darling, it's not carbonara. No, it's not. Okay. I grew up on TV dinners. Like the microwavable, frozen, Stouffer's TV dinners. Did you love them? No. No. You can't love paper mashed potatoes and frozen corn. Were your parents working? Yes. And going to school. Well, yes. My parents both worked and then my mom went to school at night. What did she study? She was an ER nurse and she went to nurse back to school to, that's a great question.

11:37I've never asked her what she was doing. She was learning how to be a nurse. She was already a nurse, but I think she was just trying to move up a level. And then she was a single mom from when I was eight. Was that tough? Oh, yeah. my dad was my person oh he was my everything yeah he was like he was god to me yeah are you is he he passed a year and a half ago i'm so sorry it's okay it's okay you do you do a lot of cooking with james i do a lot i've seen it on instagram yes so is he the chef no he likes to help yeah willow is actually thinking about being a chef although she won't crack an egg so i'm like I don't know I don't think you're going to be very good they don't want to get their hands messy I know I'm like babes you're going to have to yeah yeah I was like get your hands in there it's meatloaf she's like that's a hard no but Willow I mean both your children from what I understand of them they're very talented I mean I think so but of course but like they've kind of taken on like how proud are you no but I mean no but she's got a son that's a doctor so really like come on that's a Jewish mother's dream that actually eclipses Jessie's My mom still wants me to leave my husband and marry a Jewish pastor.

12:52Yeah, of course they do. Who doesn't? That's 17 years in. But, you know, Willow sings beautifully. Does that terrify you? No, she sits next to me on the way to school and just it's so effortless with her. I never sounded that good when I was her age. Ever. I still don't sound that good. I don't believe you. I promise you. My voice is a culmination of just hitting the pavement and learning how to be a live performer. But her voice is like, she's like a little bird. It's just effortless. And she doesn't care at all. She's not into it. Like, she just does it because she likes to do it. But people will ask her, are you going to be a singer?

13:31And she's like, oh, God, no. And I'm like, first of all, why do you have to say it like that? Is she bright? Oh, yeah. She's a straight A student. So what would you want for her? I want her to be a lawyer for the ACLU so she can change the world and then bail her brother out of jail. because he's not going that same direction he's going to be a dj he's going to be well he'll do all right he'll make a lot of money he'll be fine what he's gonna do but he is a comedian but but i think i watched the wrong doc jesse said this is amazing documentary about think pink and i think i watched the wrong documentary because you hated it i didn't know I don't know you have so many documentaries.

14:10I don't either. No, it was two kind of stylists from London. And one that, and he talked about, it was made in 2013. Not wrong. It was just different. No, it wasn't. It was different, but it talked about you being a handful. I've never heard of it. As of growing up. What was your mum interviewed? Yeah, that you were, you were. This is not the documentary that I saw in Anna's documentary. Where the fuck did you get this, mum? I watched it last night. Well, anyway. Oh, I need to see this. I was a total handful. I'm still a handful. Are you? I'm two handfuls. Who has to handle you now? Carrie. Carrie, I love you.

14:48I love the look of... He's fine. He's fine. He's doing all right. He's doing all right. I want to come back as Carrie Hart. Dude doesn't know where the trash goes. See, you know what? That's amazing because, yeah, I'm obsessed. Right. I'd like to know. He's pretty. He's very. He's very pretty. He's gorgeous. Oh, he looks, yes. I told him, I said. And he rides fast. Yeah, he rides fast. And he's, I mean, in the documentary, he came across as a fantastic father. Of course he did. He was a fantastic father. Pink's staying true. Never heard of it. Oh my God, Mum, what have you heard? That is so funny.

15:27No, it's his pop music icon, Pink, because of her life. Rise to fame. I had nothing to do with it. Okay. But I love that they said I was a handful. Of course I was. But it was two very strict, unusual women that were talking. One was a stylist. God. Get the lawyers, quickly! That is so funny. But that's the one that was on Netflix. I'm going to have to watch that. Oh, my God. There's Amazon Prime as my real done, which is fantastic. No, I didn't. Sam did. Well, Sam, he's again. He's stupid. But can I just tell you, you look gorgeous. Thanks. That's going to be your... Can't we like... You're not fabulous.

16:08Your hair, what do you use on the top? Olaplex. Olaplex. Olaplex. That's what I need. That's it. I need Olaplex. That's it. Yeah, it's good. You've got great hair. Yeah, always looks good. I have Jufro. I have like, that's why I keep the sides short. Because if I had this much hair, it would be a hot mess. Let's talk about the new song that's with Fred. You made it with Fred. Fred again, we have to call him, but it's Fred. Gorgeous Fred. and who was the other person that was you? Johnny McDade from Snow Patrol. Oh, who's so lovely. Who I did What About Us with. Is he the one that goes out with a lady from Friends?

16:45Well, yes, he's also a very talented songwriter mother. I'm so at Snow Patrol. She likes a little bit of goss. Courtney Cox, yes. She's a lovely human and he is a delicious human and Fred again is a delicious human. Was it fun writing the song? I'm very lucky. They're very dreamy. Yeah. They're talented. You're talented. Yeah, but they're the kind of men that like are open about their feelings and they're affectionate with each other and it's just so nice to be around. It was a good 24 hours, I think. I mean, it could have been better. Wait, I'm married. You've been married a hundred years. I know, and I've never cheated.

17:22Have you not? Not ever. Have you, Jess? No. Of course not. I'm coming up to 20 years with my husband. Yeah. But not years of marriage. We got married, but like 20 years. No, I've been with Carrie 21 years. Marriage is long, you guys. You know what? I got sent today for Valentine's. Jurek sent me a vibrator. I think I'm going to have a very happy Valentine's. Oh, good for you. I'm more than I'm going to get off my husband. I know. WebMD wished me a happy birthday. But they didn't give you a vibrator. They didn't give me a vibrator. I was like, how do they know my birthday? Oh, because I check WebMD a lot.

17:57I'm a hypochondriac. Are you? Yeah. Are you? Oh, if it can go wrong, it's going to go terribly. I think of you as like this, you go up on a bloody trapeze and you sink upside down. You're a very powerful person. Thank you. Yeah, but I'm also very, very flawed and human. And I fear, like, I don't believe in being fearless. I believe in having fear and then pushing through it and doing the thing anyway. As long as fear doesn't make your decisions for you, then you're okay. Is this what trust fall is about? Yeah. Yeah. Trust fall is absolutely about living with immense fear. and I think if you're a person that lives in 2023 there's a lot to be afraid of and I know a lot of kids and they all have anxiety now and it's it's really I'm very into psychology and I've been in therapy for 20 some years so I'm super into the way the mind works and all of that and the science of it and yeah I'm like trust falls like me saying and there's another song on the album called turbulence which is basically me talking my daughter through a panic attack and it's it's like as scary as it gets remember it's just turbulence you know close your eyes pretend you're driving on a bumpy road at night like it's just and then my favorite line in that song is when you say that you can't I will watch you dance through this turbulence because it's not about denying all the things that are really happening in the world but you're going to be that supporter I'm going to be there for her and I'm also going to take the leap myself I'm going to I'm going to get out of bed in the morning and I'm going to put one foot in front of the other and I'm going to love and i'm gonna laugh i'm gonna dance i'm also gonna worry i'm gonna drop you off at school hope for the best and then we're gonna tour through the world after a pandemic like you know shit is crazy pandemic was something wasn't that where were you and then monkeypox started saying how are you i'm like well i mean monkeypox but you are we all just fine we're fine aren't we but you are you cheers yeah you are you are i've got to remember i am driving so i need to rein it in in a minute but you don't i have decided i've always moaned about getting old because it's very hard when you're young and gorgeous to get old and i've just decided getting old gorgeous no getting old's a privilege it is a blessing it's actually a privilege i'm not ever going to moan about it i've got friends that have I'm coming around to give you a hug.

20:24I say that to people every year on their birthday. It is a privilege to get old, isn't it? That's an absolute blessing. And people that don't want to celebrate their birthday or talk about how old they are, I'm like, dude, you're lucky. Yeah, you are. I lost my friend Sekou when he was 17 years old. You're lucky. You're lucky to be 43. Yeah, I love that. My mom's 76, and I'm like, happy birthday. Wow, you did it. Where does she live now? She lives in Florida because she's like every East Coast Jew. She needs a song. I know exactly what she means. Well, we're from Pennsylvania, and she's like, I don't want to live there.

20:58And now it's so hot. I love songs. Shut up, Judy.

21:05Can Judy sing? No. My mom goes to piano bars and drinks gin and tonics and sings, You got the right key, but the wrong keyhole. Baby, your key don't fit my lock no more. I love Judy. she's upside down on a piano. I can see her nipple.

21:26The first time she met my husband, who was not my husband at the time, we'd been dating a month. I took him to the piano bar where she was at and she literally grabbed his shirt and put it up around his head, turned him around and grabbed his ass and said, you got a good one. I'm like, oh my God, this is my mom. Oh my word. And he's still with you. What was the food at your wedding? That's a great question. Can you remember, did you eat any of it? No recollection. Where did you get married? Where were you married? Costa Rica. Oh, nice. Yeah. Nice. Well, I don't know if you can curse on your show, but if you don't want to come in your home and say a bad word.

22:07Don't worry. Okay. But my dad walked me down the aisle and we used to smoke and we were standing up. It was on the beach and Carrie was on the beach in a full suit. sweating. Wasn't sure if he was sweating because he was hot or because he was worried about his life decisions. But my dad, I was like, oh God, he's been standing there for 15 minutes and I start putting my cigarette out and my dad pulls another cigarette out of his pack and puts it in my mouth and lights it and says, that motherfucker can wait. And I was like, Dad? Okay. He's got the right idea. I was like, you're a gangster. Treat him mean, keep him keen, hey?

22:50I need to know what your children's parties are like. I need to know whether it's just this rock and roll the whole time. We have a really good time. Willow and I have such an open, fun, like in an hour I'm going to call her on FaceTime and we're going to read our book together. She's just darling. She's so sweet. And he's just an idiot. Like, in a good way. I love my kid. He knows that I say that lovingly, but I call him and I'm like, hey man. He's like, hey. sup i'm like um how's your day good how do you feel how's your cough good uh what are you doing dance break i'm like okay just pass the phone i need willow i need willow willow talk to me about your feelings do you think you'll have any more i wish i would adopt 80 000 children if i could i don't think they'd give them to me i have a past i honestly people have never been so excited about hearing that we've got you in i know i must have about 20 people petra from nordic balance said i can't believe you've got i can't believe it what what's going on it's so fun i loved i was we talked last night about the most thing the thing we were most excited about today and it was this.

24:06I was like, I can't wait to go to a home in London because I'm not away. Would you like some food? Sure. Thank you. I, am I allowed to call you? What do people call you? Everything. I answer to anything. I've been called a lot of things too. I'm like, yep, that's also true. So let me just tell you what I've made. Okay. Because we've been done with a pink meal. Oh, this was accidental. Salmon because you wanted salmon. I love salmon. Right, Right, so I've done salmon with salsa verde and very salty potatoes that are these shriveling up potatoes. They sound sad, but they're actually quite, well, hopefully they're quite delicious.

24:44They're kind of like, have you ever been to the Canary Islands? No. And had a wrinkly potato? No. That's what you're getting. So we're having that, and then followed by a raspberry and champagne pink posset. Raspberry. Have you ever had a posset? Posset, no. It's like a creamy, delicious thing, and mum's put a little love heart on the top. with freeze dried. I mean, you know, happy Valentine's. I am so spoiled. No, we are spoiled to have you. I was trying to make a grilled cheese, I make homemade sourdough and I was trying to make Willow her favorite sandwich, a grilled cheese sourdough and I took the bread knife and went straight down underneath my beautiful nail.

25:22Had to go to the hospital and they didn't even have, they didn't even have the... You went to the hospital for it. I went to the hospital and they wouldn't even give me a stitch and my husband drove me and I was like, you better give me a stitch. Just so I make it worth my while. Yes. so that's the hyper no it hurt it was hurting hurt i thought my finger was gonna fall off i've dressed the salad but it's very lightly why do we say that where does that come from dressing a salad it's so over the top isn't it it's really i want to i love knowing where things come from so so you you make sourdough was that a lockdown thing yes absolutely and you've kept it going you're my starter is three years old what's its name quarantina quarantina do you like salsa birdie sure do you want me to call you alicia you can call me anything you like whatever i mean in my heart of hearts i want to be able to say that i can be like oh me and alicia yeah i can be alicia i'm alicia that never felt like an alicia until i became a mom it's a very strange thing so what do the parents at school call you alicia okay or mrs heart people don't really i mean do we ever call each other by our names it's like willow's mom in it like what's up Barbara.

26:30Yeah. Hi, babe. Right, mate. That's really good, but you can't remember somebody's name. You go, hi, babe. Hi, babe. So you make sourdough. Yes. You obviously make, you're a gifted human. I cook. You're a good cook. I cook every night. So if we were coming round to yours, what would we be eating? I would ask you what you eat first. Everything. Because everybody's nuts. Everything. That looks beautiful. You know what? I love peas on a salad. Thank God I did it right at the nick of time, mum. um so i would make you a farro salad okay lovely um it's my it's recipe from my favorite restaurant in new york which one bird oh i haven't been it's the farro salad it's an italian wine list farro salad is my favorite okay it's just lovely i would make you maybe some shoyu chicken if you like that or some salmon because i make damn good salmon oh shit okay no pressure mom how do you your salmon i pan sear it okay okay so this wasn't pan seared i like it all okay i like it all so this is okay so you're making an effort are you a pudding kind of i mean a dessert person we don't say you yeah you've been here long enough thank you so much uh i am more of like a salt darling thank you salt and carbs salt and carbs like i would rather have the cheese and the wine or the beer than the dessert.

27:56Me too. Me too. But you're going to have to have some pink posset tonight. I'm going to have some pink posset. I like posset. It's an English thing, posset. I know. Do they have it in the... Our nanny is English. Was. She passed away eight months after my dad. Oh my God. It's been a rough couple of years. But she was always asking me for black pudding and I said, no, I'm not. Did you never try it? No, I've never tried it because I... You don't eat pork? I don't eat meat. You don't eat meat? Do you eat chicken? I eat chicken. Okay. Just not four-legged. Okay. I haven't eaten four-legged animals since I was 15 years old.

28:29Right, okay. Because my first managers were Orthodox Muslim, and so they wouldn't eat pork. And I was broke, like homeless broke, and they always made salmon. So I love salmon. Let's hope this works. Okay, so you're making that. So you just do a cheese board for the end? Americans have cheese boards at the beginning of the meal. yeah we put it out in the middle of the day darling help yourself thank you it's very interesting isn't it I'm getting some of this excuse me microphone those are salty potatoes my daughter told me how to make I don't know if the juice was worth the sweet salty potato she likes salty carbs so she's sorted I'm good I'm happy so we also ask our guests what their last supper would be so you can you can you can think about this whilst we can i just bury my face in a cheese in a cheesecake and a cheesecake that's my favorite thing in the whole world what kind of cheesecake doesn't matter key lime i don't know i'm just saying that isn't that a key lime pie are you quite you know a key lime cheesecake custard oh okay well where do you get that at some point we're gonna return the the favor and i'm gonna cook for you no pink you're gonna be my best friend great which means you're having a key lime cheesecake okay that's perfect perfect let's see the sauce of the day is okay okay oh it's delicious you've had a hard days promo how's it been being in blighty do you like it here in london i do i love you're gonna be here in the summer i can't wait the carnival willow is so excited to come back to london oh my god she goes mom can we go to harvey nixon go to go sushi the conveyor belt one i'm like yeah that's Oh, I said go sushi.

30:18It's yo sushi. Yeah, yo sushi. It's her favorite thing in the whole world. It's quite good fun, isn't it? It's, yeah, I mean. It's not the best sushi. It's not the thing that you should look forward to. It goes around, darling. It's so exciting. It's exciting. It's going to be less exciting because she's not six, but Jameson will love it. Does he eat sushi? They eat everything. Oysters, sushi, caviar. My kids. Yeah, but I don't give my kids a choice. we have i mean i give them a choice but we have a rule in our family that you have to try everything once and then if you never try it again that's on you so okay last supper oh yeah you've got it i started i started with cheesecake starter main dessert drink of choice you went straight in for the person that says they're a salty carb kind of gal you went into a cheesecake you gotta know this about me if we're gonna be best friends it just depends on the minute you're hot and cold You don't know?

31:14Okay, fine. So we're starting with the cheesecake. That's our appetizer. Right, lovely. What's your favorite cheese? Mimolette. I don't know that. It's orange. It's a hard cheese from France. I'm going to tell you how it's made, but it's one of those things that if you told your kid how it's made, you wouldn't eat it. So please don't let this stop you. Okay. Because I'm not super into mites either. Oh, no. Oh, Jesus. But it's made with mites. How? I'm not totally sure. And it's still your favorite. I'm not totally sure this story is true either. It's just what I heard. It's delicious. That's so hard.

31:56Okay, don't think of it as a morbid thing. It's like you're going off for... It's like the last thing I get to taste. No, before going somewhere for a very long time. For six months. Oh, okay. Don't get worried about it. Okay, then I want naan bread. Okay. I want naan bread. I want like a green coconut curry with chicken or tofu. And then I want maybe a little sushi on the side. Yeah. Where's your sushi place that you go to in America? Or is it a secret? No. Well, Venice Beach. Hama sushi. But it's like a shitty little dive. I love it. Okay. Do you live near Venice? I do. Sometimes. Sometimes.

32:36But what I was going to say, Pink, was Alicia. Sorry, best friend. Hello. in your documentary it was so wonderful because you had i mean you you put on such a show and i can't wait to see you in high part thanks i can't wait i'm so excited yeah i want to come it's not it's the carnival explain to everybody who hasn't seen a pink show what they can expect oh man i have the first of all i have to say i have the best crew in the world i have the best dancers in the best band I think living and we're like a group of people that prove that diversity and inclusivity and and and different ideals and backgrounds can work really really well together and they're just the best of the best so I always tell people when you get sick of me you can look anywhere else and you will see the best of the best so I'm very very proud of my team and they've been with you forever right mostly forever and also i grew up singing classic like classically trained singer phantom of the opera les mis kind of thing so it's almost broadway theater cirque du soleil rock and roll rock show because i have all the smoke and mirrors and i have the stunts and the gags and i can fly through the air but at the end of the day you have to be able to strip all of the stunts and all the shit away and it has to be musically and sonically perfect it has to be beautiful it has to be about the music so we have acoustic sections and i don't know it's just really fun do you do athletics i do damn right she does i do you definitely watched the wrong documentary i know that you do that there's the gossipy stylist how weird is that That's very...

34:25Sam definitely told me it was on Netflix. Well, my husband's stupid. Because he said, you know, I just thought she was so amazing. Oh, love is universal. Universal.

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36:29Look how beautiful! Yeah, with your heart on it. Oh! You're good, you. Have you ever seen this TV show called Come Dying With Me? Oh, shut up, Jessie. You always spoil everything. It's a little come time with me, but we love her. Oh, piss off. I love you. It's fantastic. You're so envious, darling. I am slightly envious. I didn't get to flex my skills. Right, so what's in here? Have you got a spoon? Would you like some water? There's water there, darling. Fizzy or still? Do you know that when I pack and I'm by myself... I'll have still, please. When I pack and I'm by myself, I do it. The woman inside of me has an English accent.

37:09Why? I have no idea. I don't know why. Do you think English women are more like organized? No, I just am English when I'm packing. I don't know why. I don't know where I'm from. Are you a good packer? I'm a great packer. Are you? I'm a Virgo. I'm a pro packer. Do you use cubes? She's Virgo, darling. Do you use cubes? All my best friends are. Cubes get in the way. Cubes? Shut up, what? And actually take out more room than they're worth. Hang on. No, I disagree. Okay, how do you do it then? Hang everything? No. What do you do then? You roll your shirts so they don't get wrinkly. Okay. And then you place them like so.

37:45Yes. And then your pants, cuff here, cuff here, cuff here, cuff here, cuff here. Everything up top, socks, underwears, bras. Oh, I am a pro packer. How many bags? I'm English. Or I might be Cockney Australian. I'm not totally sure. Is this because you have an affinity with us Brits and Australia? Yeah, I think so. Can you taste champagne? Why is pink slightly more watery than ours? It's not watery. It's delicious. How dare you? This is delicious. You pick on your mom like I pick on my mom. Well, she's a gay icon now, so I just need to take her down a peg or two. Do you know what I mean? This is very delicious.

38:30I don't even know what that is, and it's amazing. It's raspberries. It's a raspberry. And cream. Thank you. I do appreciate it. Champagne. Thank you. So you just need to put the order in when you're back When are you? Carrie walks in my room and I'm like I can't fit it I tell you what It's not annoying that Americans do that shit Are you a high part? I will send chicken soup with matzobos for you Chicken soup with what? Matzobos I thought you said matzobos I was like no thank you I love you but no thank you You'll be getting some Lenny's chicken soup and matzobos when we went on tour together which was more rock and roll than my tours because mum's like in the park everybody people could go on stage and win a bowl of mum's chicken soup because we talk about it so much I want to be like you when I'm a little older you do I want to be just like you well I think Jessie's very tolerant because I don't I'm not a difficult person but um are you needy what's happening she's um difficult you're not needy you're assertive you and I like what I like and I can't be bothered with things I don't like anymore but go on but you like things yeah I like so my mum says I like what I like but I don't know what that is because she doesn't like anything oh no we find it so you won't be doing a podcast anytime soon nope not with her oh no have you thought about doing one with how do you say his name?

40:08Kerry. Kerry. Kerry. Kerry. It's Kerry. Kerry. Kerry. Kerry. Where did you meet him? I met him at the X Games in Philadelphia. Yes. At a contest. That's quite sexy. And you proposed to him. I did propose. When he was on the track. I did ruin his race. But were you a pop singer by then? Yeah. So it was a pretty big trophy for him to have. I had a pink afro at the time. I was killing the game in my head. Killing the game. What colour was his hair? Just normal. Just normal. And is he super gorgeous? He's very gorgeous. He's very pretty. He's got us in the documentary. Which I've not seen. I've seen one that no one else has.

40:54He reminds me of Sam, my husband, in this kind of... He seems... Or you edited him this way. Quite gentle. Calm. He's quite quiet. He is calm. horizontal um he he's he's got a kind of gentleness and calmness yes where and we're like the fire maybe yeah and we the driving force maybe and they are some is a burger he gets on well with perry is a cancer and he's i the way i describe it is he's the rock and i'm the murky water around the rock so when you want to swim in the deep come in here and swim with me but if you need just that stable rock that doesn't move. And that's what we need. That's exactly how your relationship is, really.

41:39Have we finished your meal? I don't know whether we even... I don't think we got to the main. We got the cheese. Oh, I think we did coconut curry, right? Coconut curry. A dessert. A weird meal. A lime. Are we having the mite cheese in there? We're having mimolette cheese, for sure. Are we having a cheese board? Maybe string cheese and some triscuits. What are triscuits? Like a really salty, yummy cracker. Like a Ritz cracker. No. They're more like woven. Almost like a... What do you call those? Woven chairs? Are they wicker? Ratan. They look like that, but they don't taste like that. Biscuits.

42:14Are you going with a chutney on that? Just string cheese. They do chutney on that. String cheese are what your children eat. Yeah, that. Oh, I do like a string cheese. Can I put cottage cheese on the side? No. No. Sacrifice. So happy. How dare you? It's not rock and roll. It is. It's not the hell. With some salt and pepper. You know what? You should have it with Marmite. Do you like Marmite? Oh, it's going so bloody. Marmite and cottage cheese. That's because when I was always on a diet, when I was younger, and I'd go to the multi-pace, like, summer club, and I was always on a diet, so I had cottage cheese and Marmite sandwiches.

42:51I didn't make that for you. You did, Mum, because I was always on a diet. But that wasn't because I wanted you to be. Why were you always on a diet? Because I was a fatty bin bat. She was a big girl. I love my family. You were gorgeous. I was fun, and I liked my food, and it's all worked out. That's what I say. It's all worked out. Somebody came to me in the grocery store recently, and they were like, how's Blake? And I was like, who's Blake? And they were like, you know, Blake. I was like, oh, you think I'm Gwen Stefani. Oh, you're joking. I was like, that's the biggest compliment anyone has ever given me.

43:23You think I'm tall, beautiful. Did you go along with it? And thin. you are I was like Blake's great thank you so much for asking sir and you sing country and western with her yeah I was like wow you think I'm fashionable that was a great compliment that's hysterical well at least you get I was in a London I was in a London club somewhere and somebody grabbed my arm and a vice grip in the bathroom and she goes tell me who you are people are saying that you're somebody and I was like we're all somebody and I was like can you please take your fingers off my arm. I'm going to have like a mark. Oh my God.

44:03But not letting you go until you tell me who you are. Would you ever grow your hair? I've tried. And? Did you ever see the movie Gremlins? Stop. Do you know the scene where it pops up from behind the movie theater seat with the blonde wig? That's what I look like. But your hair is so gorgeous. Thank you. Will you ever grow pink again? Yeah, I do all the time. So you just like put a wash in. So you're silvery. I like the silver purple. I love it. It's nice. I did a calm story called The Silver Fairy, and so I'm kind of obsessed with silver hair. You did a what story? A calm story? Oh, calm. Isn't Harry Styles on that?

44:36Puts everyone to sleep. Yep. So you did a calm story. I put people to sleep. This voice puts people to sleep. I can imagine that. Yeah, I can too. Okay. What's the song that your kids would request you sing to them? Willow just told me the other day that Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken is her favourite song. which is so awesome because it's such a feminist anthem but will you then be like okay let's fucking go and you'll sing it she won't ask me to sing for her oh right but when we were on tour in Australia Jameson got hand foot and mouth disease that's a fun one and his fingernails and toenails were falling off and he was covered all over his body and sore so I get off stage and I'm just hanging over the pack and play I've got my arm on his back I haven't been able to feel my arm in hours and I'm singing and I think he's finally asleep and I take my hand off and he looks up and he goes, walk me home.

45:31And it's 4 a.m. at this point. I go, oh, we're taking requests? Okay. Walk me home in the dead of night. It's on my mind. I want to meet James. He is. He is. Yeah. Hilarious. So you're here for like, you're here for four days. Do you have any plans, apart from promoting whilst you're here, have you got any destinations that you must go to when you're in London? Apart from having maybe an Indian? Do you like an Indian? Are you putting on? You putting on bread? I've been cooking nothing but Indian food for a month. My kids are so sick of it. But their favourite is the green coconut curry. Okay. Indian food is my favourite.

46:17My best friend who's here just got back from India. Very jealous. Can you get all the spices in? No. You should bring some back. I should. That's a good idea. Actually, I've got some spices here that came with that book you can have. I love your mom. I'm glad we're best friends. When do I meet the kids? They're very sweet. She does this to me. She palms me off with all her shit. That's what she's doing, Alicia. Chai masala? No, these are great. Chai masala. I have that, but I don't know if one's any good. Do you want the chai masala? It's sweet, isn't it? That's fine. And actually, these were given by a lovely guy.

46:52A really nice cookbook. Do you want the cookbook? Yes, I do. Yes, please. He'll be so lucky. You should remember his name. Thank you, person. Tangy chili and mango sprinkles? That could be good. Yeah, you'll make use of these. My God, I gotta put my glasses on because I'm 43. He sent all the spices. Mother tongue. Gertie Bloil. has now has now blessed me with the beautiful it is a beautiful book I feel like Gerdie won't mind that you've literally just given Pink but it's science yes he came to our I know he's lovely he came to an event but won't he be happy that I've given it he'll be so thrilled that it's gone cross Atlantic it's a beautiful book god it's gorgeous but shouldn't I just go get one no we'll get another one Gerdie will give us another one Gerdie will be really thrilled and it's a very nice cookbook.

47:50And it's all his... I'm into these glasses with the pearls. Yeah, Jessie, you need that. Crispy okra and honey masala corn belpourri. Okay, thank you. Tika tempura scampi. Oh no, I'm about to get fat again. No. What's left to do for you? I mean, you tour. Honestly, when I got COVID and my son got sick and the world, the, the rug was pulled out from underneath all of us. And then my father passed away. I distilled life down very, very quickly into what actually matters to me. What do I actually need? Who am I? Who do I want to be? How do I get there? All these real serious life questions. And I realized that actually the only thing that I want is to see my kids grow up and be okay.

48:43That's it. That's all I want. Everything else is gravy. And what do I still have left to do? I love touring. I love it. I enjoy it. We have a great time. I have authentic experiences with people in the audience. We cry together. We let go together. We exercise our demons together. It's freaking magic. I'm lucky to do it. And that's it. That's what I got. I got a really good music family and I got a really good family at home you're satisfied I'm never I mean I mean yeah I guess in a lot of ways yes do you ever sing karaoke yes I do I'm so annoying no one wants to sing karaoke with me why because you're too good because I like to sing ballads oh my god don't stop believing my daughter's like oh god you're so annoying so it's don't Stop believing.

49:39Don't stop believing. Journey. Or Nothing Compares to You or Greatest Love of All, Whitney Houston. I'm like a total dork. But if I want to be fun and not clear the room, then I'll do like... If you want it, you got it. Just Bust a Move by Young MC, I think it is. Do you know that song? I know it. Just Bust a Move. If you want... No, no, no. I know it, but I don't... I like that you're willing to go there with me. I don't know anything else apart from the chorus. Yeah, it's good. I think it's good. You must have had, okay, you must have, you've been doing music for what, 23 years? Yes. You were there in the golden time of fucking, you know.

50:22Pop music? Pop music. You know, you must have had the most ridiculous dinners out. Is there any memorable meal that you've had where you've been put in a situation where you're like, hang on, why am I at dinner with this person? I had a weird run-in with Chamiroquai. Ooh. Who I love. Yeah. Me too. I love the music. But he sat in the corner and stared at me all night. And then when I started talking to my manager for the 85th time, he flipped a table and left. No, stop. But there were no words exchanged. And I didn't, wasn't, I'm still not sure what I did. I also had a person come up to me in a bar, sitting across from my husband and go, who do you think he's having sex with besides yourself oh why are people so strange what i was like um no himself i don't know i was like are you being cheated on is this something you talk about are you okay oh god i go and then by no accident he didn't know what that person was saying to me but he saw my face was weird and he he goes hey i go hey he goes you're so fucking hot and I go oh she just said you're not no her husband my Carrie said that your husband Carrie said at that exact moment no it was a woman that said that to me I was like why would you do that to another woman I have no idea jealousy but I get in weird people yeah people are weird I love it I love weird do you I just think it's I mean yeah it's kind of messed up have you performed at Las Vegas yes Yes.

52:04A residency? No. Do you think you'd ever do that? I would. It'd be quite convenient. I would be the best Cirque show that Las Vegas ever saw. You bloody would. Yeah, you do like the whole thing. Challenge, yeah. So hang on. Okay, this is something that the itch must be scrapped. Las Vegas would be fun because I have to do things that can travel. But when you don't have to travel, that opens up such a box of fun. Because you can have water. you can have all these things that you can't have when you travel and it's just there and it's like oh so do you still do trapeze oh yeah yep are you scared no yes mom you've got it you've got to watch the doc not the one that i want you're gonna come to the show in the summer yeah and you're gonna like your mind is gonna be blown you'll bring the matzo ball soup i will see me fly around.

52:58Please bring your kids because then my kids will have somebody to play with. Honestly, we can show your kids a good time. I love how instant kids become friends. Literally like... I know. And then they just both go that way. I know. She might be friends with Jameson rather than... No, my daughter will only want to speak to Willow. Should we like that? And Jameson will... Well, maybe James and Will. I don't know. It's Willow's ears pierced. Yes. How old was she? She was probably seven or eight. Willow wants double, triple. Yeah, we can wait on that. Eventually, yeah. I'd rather take her to get it done the right way because I pierced my own self.

53:44All of these are pierced? I pierced my own nose with a thumbtack. Oh, my God. I know. Your poor mother. Yeah, I'll go with that. Pink, Alicia. it's been an absolute thank you so much for feeding me I love your relationship and it gives me hope oh you hope about what? just the future with my babies you are the parent that I aspire to be you're amazing sorry you are the parent thank you for feeding me and best of luck with Trustful and can't wait to see you live and we've got a tea towel for you oh that's all oh i love it table manners and i came in here and just cursed up a storm no and talked about people they're going for quite i still if you ever hear from jamiroquai will you please let me know what was the table i'm gonna find that out for you babe don't worry we're gonna actually you fold like a dream you fold like a dream darling that's why she packs so well Look at you, fitting it into the luggage tonight.

55:08How fab was Pink? I loved her. I loved hearing about how she packs. I loved hearing about the psychic. I loved hearing about the chicken and matzo balls. Her quiff. I feel like I could pray in the Church of Pink. Yeah. Synagogue of Pink. She's so warm. She hugged me lots. Loved her. Yeah. I felt appreciated. I would like to see her again. Me too. Pink, thank you so much for coming on. You're just wonderful. And that's the end of Second Helpings this season. But we'll be back very soon for season 18 of Table Manners. Am I that old? My God, we should have an 18th birthday party. Yeah. Thank you to everyone for coming on our podcast so that we can even do a second helpings.

55:49And just what an amazing bunch of guests. And we have plenty more where that came from for season 18 of Table Mothers. We'll see you then.

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