Suki Waterhouse

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0:38Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessi Wirt and we're recording this on the hottest day of the year. It's a scorcher. Scorchio. So you may hear or see a fan rotating and lifting Lenny's hair up every so often. Forgive us. Alice, producer Alice will do her best to get it out there. But listen, we've got to have some help in here. My kids are off school by one o 'clock. Quite right. Speaking of kids, have I talked about the fact that my daughter's enrolled me into the school concert where parents have to get involved? She's put me down for cello. You can't play the cello, darling. I played the cello when I was 11.

1:19I know, darling, and you didn't get a scholarship on the basis of your cello playing. No, I bloody didn't because I'm not very good. but the teacher thought that it would be very special because she's on strings. I said, can't I be in the choir? She said, Emily's mum sings. I'm a singer, babe. And she went, Emily's mum sings. Who said that? The teacher? No, my daughter. Oh. Well, can't you get in the choir? No, I'm on cello. I'm going to have to cut these falsies off. Yeah. And open your legs. Yep. That went really south. Yeah. Also, I just tried to make cold brew at my house. What's cold brew?

1:53Cold Brew's like, what I now understand, intense coffee. So I was like, God, this is delicious. It's like a, you know, an iced latte. I think I've actually ingested about the equivalent of 10 espressos. I think I can feel that, the energy in this room. I'm freaking out, Len. You're talking a lot, darling. I'm gurning. I'm freaking out. I've got heart palpitations. And I've taken it. I'm worried about this guest coming on. Who have we got? Oh, we've got someone really fabulous. Yeah. She is absolutely gorgeous. Yeah. She's modelled, she's acted and she sings. This is her third album, I think. It's called Love Land.

2:32It's a wonderful album. She's very sexy. Very sexy. She's got a great voice. And she's got a song called Tiny Raisin that I need to understand why it's called Tiny Raisin. Because I think it's about Robert Patterson. Oh, wow. We knew this was going to be a scorcher. So, Lenny, what have you made today? I've made a chicken and mango and soba noodle salad. Whose recipe? It's a New York Times recipe. Who's the chef? I don't know. Should I have a look? Should I have a look? Should I have a check them? Should I have a check them? I think it's someone called Susan. Susan. But it might not be. Hold on, I'll check.

3:08How do you stop, like, a coffee hitting so hard? Susan Spungen. Okay. And it's chicken and mango soba salad with peanut dressing. Have you made your soba noodles already? Everything's done. Okay. It's all in the fridge. Okay, yo sham. It's all in the fridge cold. Yeah. And I'll put it together at the last minute. Do we want bread rolls? Because I can put them in the air fryer. Do you think anyone will need a bread roll? I may need one to soak up this caffeine. And I'm just putting a little green salad on the side in case anyone needs it. and then I've made a gooseberry tart. There's goose gogs.

3:46Do you call them goose gogs? Sorry, what? Goose gogs. That's what everyone always used to call them. That sounds like a posh person. Goose gogs are... Has anyone heard that gooseberries are called goose gogs? Yeah. Oh, David. Everyone called them goose gogs. Hang on. Where have you heard that? Your grandma? Everyone called them goose gogs. Was your grandmother posh? No. Oh, okay, fine. They were goose gogs. Sounds like... Anyway, gooseberries are... He's sinned. Okay, I'm sorry. I got that completely wrong. Well, I've made a gooseberry tart. Yeah. Because gooseberries aren't around very long. And they're in season.

4:18Thank God, those hairy, furry things. I'm not fat. I'm furry mine. Oh, well, do you not want my tart? No, I'm sure the goods got good toast. I'm going to serve it with fresh cream or creme fraiche. Yum. Yeah. She's here. So keep water house coming up on Table Manners.

4:41Sookie waterhats. Hello. Looking glowy, gorgeous. Quite cool. So do you, actually. We all look glowy because... Yeah, I mean, it's maybe sweat. I feel overglowed. Because we're on the hottest day so far of the year, I think. A bit of the century. I think it's going to be the hottest day in June ever. Brits really like a stat in the summer, don't they? I'm obsessed. Since I've been back in England the last few months, I'm obsessed with the weather app. I'm watching BBC News. Last night I was watching the roundup of the weather. I get obsessed about it when I come back here. But is it because you kind of are consumed by stressing out about it?

5:15Or is it just kind of the intrigue of like, what strappy dress am I going to wear today? It's the intrigue. I really love talking about the weather. Do you? That's because you're British. But do you think, because are you based in New York or LA? I'm sort of like, I'm sort of floating around. We're a bit floaty. We're depending on filming schedules and tour and all that kind of stuff. But now I'm back here for quite a long time and going on tour. But we're sort of based here for the end of the year. When do you go on tour? Next week. Oh my God. On Saturday. You go on tour ahead of the album being out?

5:50No. So I'm actually, well, I'm going out there, starting rehearsals, doing a bit of promo. Got it. And then July 27th, I'll be on tour. So it's funny this time with the album, I've made the album and I'm kind of immediately going on tour like two weeks after doing the record. Do you do that? I'm going on tour in October. So no, I haven't done it so close. No. I mean, this is your third album. Congratulations, love man. Thank you. It's very sexy. It's cheeky. It's just like you. It's just like you. Can I remind you the first time we met? I don't know if you remember. Remind me. We were at the Ephra Pub in Brixton.

6:25And you joined my friend. The Ephra. And you ordered a Bailey's. Oh, I do remember that. And I was so... Because it was probably the only time I had a bunch of penis. Because I was like, who's this cute girl that's ordering a Bailey's at the pub? And I remember it so well because I thought it was actually quite genius. Yeah, I don't. I haven't drunk a Bailey's since actually. I must have been trying. Oh, no, wait. I was in a Bailey's phase. I love Bailey's. I still love it. I love Bailey's so much. Me too. I don't think it was even in wintertime. So that's why I found it. Because, you know, we all have a Bailey's at Christmas.

6:58Well, you have Bailey's. You were having one in like the summer. Who is this girl? See, we have Baileys with ice. Don't you remember when we go to Alkistis? Often we have Baileys with ice in the evening. I think that's when I was underage, Mum. Okay, sorry. And it was like you allowing me to have a drink whilst we watched Mamma Mia and then out for cinema. It's like a little cappuccino. It's like a milky, delicious. Do you guys like pina coladas? I do. I haven't had one this year. That's so good, though. Is that your favourite? Pina colada is pretty delicious. I see mine is Cosmo. Cosmo is great.

7:26My very best. What's the one with egg? I went through a bit of it. Pisco sour? Almeretto sour? Oh, and the rich was sour. Does that have egg in it? Apparently, yeah. That's useful. I used to just get so pissed on that. Me too. I used to because they were really sugary. That was my drink of like going out. Do you like Necronis? Yes. I'm really into Aperol Spritz at the moment. Do you? Why? I had a couple last night. Why do you like them? Just refreshing. I don't feel that hot over today. No, not at all. And they go down really quickly. They go down really quickly. I watched, that's what I was drinking, watching football last night.

7:59When you have the Aperol spritz, do you put Prosecco in as well as soda water? Yes, Prosecco. Okay. That's the only thing that puts me off it because I don't like Prosecco. I can't taste it. But that's the thing. I don't ever want to taste drinks. I really like a whiskey and Coke, but that's... You sing about that. That's a lyric in the album. Which song is that one? Jukebox. Jukebox, yeah. Whiskey and Coke. So what whiskey are you going for? Anything? Anything, to be honest. I'm not very good at making drinks. This is just stuff that I will order. But I just don't really want to taste the alcohol ever.

8:32Can we talk about Tiny Raisin? Because I don't... I love that song. She wants to know who it's about. I think I know who it's about, but I need to know, is that your nickname or is it the... No, no. Are you talking about the title? Yes. I don't know about you. Because you don't mention Tiny Raisin in it. I do. Do you? Yes. It's in the second line. But I got myself into it. I don't know if you ever get yourself into a massive pickle about not only choosing the songs, but also what to name them. Yes. And so that song really should be called That's My Man because that's really the chorus. But I have this other song called Any Man.

9:06And then, you know, I'm naming everything, trying to decide what's going on the album. And I just get in a huge pickle. I'm like, I'm not having That's My Man and Any Man. That's too many things about men. That's too similar. Babe, I'm with you. And then I start getting myself a tiny raisin. So the lyric at the beginning is, I've been lying in the bathtub till I'm a tiny raisin. oh it's not about someone's tiny raisin no it's actually a very generous song it's a beautiful line about watching my kid in your arms you sound like someone very close to me who said that's what it sounds like so I should have just called it that's my man then I called it tiny raisin then it sounds like I'm talking about someone's tiny it's just an absolute nightmare it's a generous song can we just say it's a generous song It's also a love song.

9:55It's like a chaotic love song. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's not, you know, it's, yeah. So then it sounds like it's, you know, some kind of toxic and like some kind of stat. No, oh no. But yeah, so that got me into a right old pickle. But basically I thought Tiny Reason would be a good title because it's sort of, it's what happens to you when you're in the bar for too long. And you're kind of, you know, you've been there for, I guess my reasoning behind it, I've been there for hours. I'm like, where's my dinner reservation? Where's the champagne? Where's the flowers? You know, where's my loving? Yeah, yeah.

10:29It's a great song. But everyone's completely confused by it. And I've, yeah. But it's a talking point. There you go. There we go. And it is a great song. So I'm getting into this thing with people. It's like some people are like, oh, I hate raisins by themselves. Or they have to be chocolate covered. Do you guys like raisins? Oh my God, now your promo is going to be raisins. Me too. I love chocolate colored. Your promo is going to be raisins. The ones in M &S, chocolate covered raisins. Imagine having a chocolate cup of raisin today, though. It's going to be like everywhere. I think I started talking about it because I was talking to a friend about Alpin.

10:59And someone was saying, you know, Alpin the cereal. I love Alpin. I love Alpin so much. And someone was saying, oh, in our family, everyone used to eat the raisins and take, you know, take their raisins out if you didn't like them. Or, you know, it would be like some people love them, some people didn't. We would always fight about the raisins. Everyone wanted the raisins. And then I would pick all of them out. and that would be a, everyone would get an argument about that in our family. I, for Alpen, it's the creaminess that comes out of it. It's like you've got formula milk in it. You know why?

11:27There's dried milk in it. Yeah, it's like formula. It's so delicious. Can you get it in Los Angeles? I haven't tried actually. It's been such an English thing. I'm not sure you can get it in the States. Yeah, maybe not actually. That would be something that I might need to buy. Well, everything's gluten-free and milk-free and everything free, I think. Or it's like really just bad. Yeah, it's either really bad or madly good. So you grew up in West London? I did. I was born in the Queen Charlotte's Hospital, which is the same one that you were born in. Oh my God, have you wicked? I was wickeding you on the way over.

12:00That's so funny that they put that as your thing. Actually, I weren't born in Queen Charlotte. I was born in West London Hospital, which is now... Why have they put me down then? Because it was on the edge of near Hammersmith Roundabout. it was a little place where they did modified Le Boyer birth. What does that mean? It meant that you didn't have any pain relief. You had music in the background. But you had all the pain relief. I had everything. I'd say, give me the lot. So that was a pointless place. Yeah, it was a pointless place. No, I'm sure it was brilliant for many birthing people. Yeah, it was pointless for me because I didn't have a modified Le Boyer birth.

12:36Le Boyer? I've never heard of Le Boyer. Le Boyer was a Frenchman and he wanted dark lights and you have music in the background. He sounds charming. This is funny that you took the chronic piss out of me for wanting quite natural, going for quite a natural, holistic approach to birthing. You were like, oh, for God. You did exactly the same. But darling, I wasn't a trooper like you. Listen, nobody gets an award for having a lot. And I didn't have someone doing chakras over me like you did. Anyway, you sound exactly like my mum about everything. and you also assume I was looking at your wikipedia and you also kind of you're quite similar to my mum you've done quite similar things yeah your mum social work and psychotherapy and doing court cases where was she a social worker uh she did she was working at place to be a charity oh I think it's a wonderful charity yeah it's a great place and then fantastic yeah doing stuff in the courts and representing yeah place to be is such a great charity so so can you set the scene of who was around the dinner table and what were you eating in your childhood a lot?

13:48Okay, so I'm one of four, I'm the oldest of four. I've met your two sisters. Who are heaven. Heaven, you're so lovely to each other. They're the great, I love my sisters so much and I also have a brother so the younger ones are twins Okay. They're 27 Maddie and Charlie Charlie's a social worker too actually. Is that a girl or a boy? A boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where's his social work? He works in Feltnham for the council, which is really, really tough. Oh, it must be tough. Yeah. Feltnham's a really tough area. Really, really tough. Yeah. So my brother's amazing and he's been doing that, yeah, sort of since he was a teenager.

14:25And then my sister, yeah, sister Maddie. So there's four of us, dad and mum. So quite a big family. How many? Three of you? Three of us, yeah. So what were you eating? We were eating cauliflower and cheese with baked beans a lot. Sounds delicious. It's amazing. That was like one of the big... Would you have that not just on a roast day? No. I think my mum would just cauliflower and cheese in the oven. We were having lots of stews. My mum's really big on stews. Chicken broth. Yeah, things that she could do for a long, you know, put on... Was she working always? Yeah, she was. My mum was a cancer nurse.

15:06And then she stopped doing that when she had twins. And then she stopped for quite a few years. And then she went back to doing psych therapy. Is that how your parents met? Because your dad's a doctor? Yeah, they met in a hospital. And it's a funny story. My mom's version of it is that they met over this man who had a decaying buttock. And my dad's version of the story is he kind of saw her on this ward. And she was walking down the ward. And he said he was dating every nurse. A decaying buttock. But my mum's like, no, we met. Because your dad's a plastic surgeon, so I guess he was sorting out the bum.

15:42Well, no, no, because before you become a plastic surgeon, you have to do all these kinds of different, you have to be a surgeon. I think you have to do like heart surgery and you have to do a lot. I don't think you can just like go into, and it's craniofacial surgery. And he has, yeah, he's done all, he sort of does a lot of things on, he was doing a lot of work on kids and facial deformities. He had a charity called Facing the World that he started like 25 years ago, which was they would fly over kids from all around the world. And some of them would stay with us for like nine months and they would do like, you know, 10 surgeries.

16:16He's amazing. So he does he does all the, you know, all the plastic surgery, boobs, bums and face. But he does. He's always done like all this other stuff. So for some reason, there was a decaying buttock. And that's where my mom thinks I don't know where I'm going with the story. but regardless they've been together for a long time and they're doing great I um that's I mean did you never fancy going into uh I don't think it was ever an option really no and I think yeah they were okay with that but it was never um no nothing about my grades I guess was ever screaming she's gonna be a doctor so I think yeah they yeah they didn't have that they didn't kind of My parents had to be relaxed.

16:58Which thing did you go to? I went to Ibstock. Oh, you went to Ibstock place. Yeah, yeah. That must have been fun. Yeah. It was fun. So cauliflower cheese and baked beans, because I guess your parents were working and they were, it sounds a bit like my mum. She'd always have something in the pressure cooker and there'd always be something. But like, would you say your mum's a good cook? Your dad's a good cook. She's, my dad, yeah, my mum is a great cook. I think she, yeah, she was, she's fantastic. and she definitely she's look I don't think it's something she did she enjoy doing that every single night oh my god I can't even imagine it because when I think of having four kids and a husband coming home from work and that expectation to have dinner on the table every night while there's kids going on homework going on I mean she just used to sometimes we always laugh about but she would just sometimes just lose it and go and sit in the car and we'd be like waving at her through the window but our house was quite chaotic really I think all families are right it was it was chaotic um especially in those years where they when they the twins were younger and it went from two of us to four of us but yeah so she I don't think it was always like pleasurable to be cooking all the time for us and now she really my dad loves it and my dad's the kind of guy that's like oh my god this look at that taste this tomato it's just exquisite and And he sort of has taken over now.

18:21Oh, has he retired? No, he hasn't. Still works. Yeah, he'll still work, but he still works. But now they have a place in the countryside and we all go down there. And the kitchen's like really his place now. Are you a good cook? No. Just don't fancy it? I do. I do fancy it. But? And I'm going to at some point. And there have been times, like there have been times I got a country house two years ago for a couple of weeks. I really got into it. Did you feel like you were like playing, cosplaying trad wife? Yeah, and I just loved it. I really fell in love with it. And you had the whole day to get into it.

18:57And I got into recipes. So I can. I think I can. But I think that for some reason that space and that time and thinking about it isn't in my world right now. The thing is you've got to be, I think to, I mean, this podcast, we're preoccupied with food. We talk about recipes. We live and breathe food all the time. It takes over your life. And thank God, you don't even have a cardo in the States if you're there. Oh, but you've got lots of other things. Have you? Oh, yeah. Do they deliver? Oh, within an hour. Like your groceries. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. You've got Instacart, which is great. Oh, have you?

19:37And then you've got something called Postmates, which is sort of like... And I know about Postmates. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Postmates is great. And then you've got Uber Eats, but Instacart's quite incredible. You can even go to all different shops and then say, bring this all to me in an hour. Yeah. I mean, America's got good surface. So if we were coming around to yours. Yes. She's not going to talk. Would you be cooking? She's ordering in. Would you order in? And if so, where are you ordering in from? I'd order in or where would we order in from if we're in London? I'm just thinking of what I did the other day.

20:13I got this really nice porridge music. I'm thinking for breakfast. Okay. Are you ordering for breakfast as well? No, I know. This is awful, isn't it? Christ. You want us in and out, Sookie? Maybe this is what I did the other day. But you'll open a milk, Sookie. I could open a milk. Okay, fine. Well, if I'm doing breakfast at home. Okay, fine. Yeah, if I'm doing breakfast at home, maybe I'll do some toast with banana and avocado because I can kind of feed myself. I think baby's liking that. I'm enjoying that too. Banana and avocado. Yeah. Mixed together. So you're giving us weaning food. Is that weaning?

20:51That is. We are. She's enjoying that on toast. Banana and avocado together. It's quite nice though. Yeah. Maybe some honey. Thank you. I'm trying. Banana, avocado. It's really nice. Banana, avocado and honey. Well, no, maybe. And banana. Yeah, banana. The honey separate. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I'm big into honey. if I'm probably going to spoil you I really like I really like a jacket potato I love a jacket potato too I'm obsessed with jacket potato I love tuna, sweet corn, mayonnaise baked beans cold or hot? hot do you put cheese on your baked beans? yeah, you've got to put the cheese on underneath and to be honest a sour cream and caviar at a restaurant on a jacket potato I think is so gorgeous don't they serve it like that?

21:37the tiny little potatoes with caviar and sardines. I love that. Chips, they do it now too. Is everyone hungry? Yes, I'm hungry. I'll just start to cook. I forgot that we're going to get food. Oh, yeah, babes. Oh, you love the treat. Yes, cheers eating. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, I forgot that that actually happened. I actually was, I was kind of was thinking like, maybe they don't do that anymore. Oh my God, no. Oh God, whilst your stomach rumbled. I'm like, I haven't, I haven't, I didn't eat my breakfast. Oh, babe. No, well, I'll let mum explain what we're having. But whilst mum gets the lunch ready, we could start on your last supper.

22:14On my last supper? Yeah, starter, main, pud, drink of choice. Drink of choice. I'm probably going to have a Coca-Cola, honestly. A Coca-Cola? Yeah. Mexican Coca-Cola. Love a Coca-Cola. What are you having? Glass bottle Coca-Cola. Are you having a glass of wine or something? Oh, I'm having like many different things. Different drinks, yeah. Yeah. Like, you can do whatever you like. I do feel like Coca-Cola just makes me feel at peace. Do you like the Mexican Cola? No, I like the Mexican Cola. I really like the full fat Coca-Cola. Full fat. Yeah. I don't like Diet Coke. I do think that Coke Zero did pretty well to try and replicate it.

22:51No? Okay, fair enough. I just don't feel it. Delicious. Really? Yeah, no. Coke Zero. No, I love Coke Full. I actually really like Diet Coke, too. Okay, okay. I like the morning tea. I wish I could because it's a crazy sugar addiction to have. Do you have one a week? It depends. I think on tour it really kicks up. Oh, it's on your rider? Yeah, it really kicks up on tour. It's just something to bring me to life. What else do you have on your rider? I probably have pita bread, like very simple foods. I'm not trying to do anything that makes me feel dodgy before going on stage. Or like belchy. Yeah, no belchy.

23:30in fact that's always a mistake it's sometimes you go out for a drink or people are in town and maybe you'll be able to go out for a little drink before and then you're just burping the whole time shocker so you've got to keep really you've got to keep everything really clean I think before we go back to last supper where are you starting your tour in the states yeah because you're quite massive in I mean your your streaming numbers are insane oh that's but like you had this big viral moment with which was so strange good looking yeah because that song How did that happen? It was the weirdest story because that song I put out like nine years ago, completely independently.

24:06I whacked it up on DistroKid. I'd made it with my friends Nat and Jules, who were the first people that I really started making music with. So I would put like one song out a year. And then like nine years later, it's all like strange. It's very like synchronicity sort of moment because I'd got my record together during the pandemic. Kind of like funded it myself. Yeah. Found Sub Pop, the label that I put it out with. So that record was just sort of, it wasn't out yet, but it was kind of just about to go out. And then suddenly the song, the label had actually asked me to take down. They'd asked me to take down all the old stuff because they wanted a fresh slate and no one really like cared for that song, to be honest, or any of that stuff.

24:56And then as that record was coming out, the song suddenly... On TikTok? On TikTok. It's so mad. With no, you know, it was like, it couldn't have been less of an interest for the people on that side of the business. And what was the kind of viral, was there a dance with it? Was there something that everyone had to do? Or did it just get kind of passed around as a soundtrack to people doing stuff? It was... Was there a theme? The theme was sort of quite a lot of trauma, I think. No, but it can also, it's also kind of euphoric at the same time. But I saw it, yeah, I don't think there was a dance.

25:38Okay. It was sort of people, then it kind of re-emerged recently and it was people showing off their hair. Okay. But it's more just like screaming from the rooftops, like about that love of your life. Do you do TikTok? I do. Do you like it? Well, once I... Are you in bed with it? Well, once my song started blowing up, I was like, let's get... You were like, hey, I can get on to this. I didn't know how it worked or anything. Then I was kind of like, okay, let's start doing TikTok. So I am, yeah, I am on TikTok. It's, you know, it's not something that comes... like it's sort of something that i've like learned and i i really look it's fun when it's fun yeah right yeah when you're like trying to figure out when it's like the labels like oh you need to make and you're like in your house with like no hair and makeup in your sweats trying to put your kid to bed and you've got a billion things to do you're like it's not happening it's not my priority right now yeah content in there it's it's hard i find that sometimes i'm like yeah you know sometimes you're like oh i need something interesting to be going on and a lot of the time when i'm not working it's like it's not really happening yeah yeah and i and you're not out doing something and actually just kind of parenting can it's like yeah it's a distraction this other thing when actually you've got real life happening here like yeah i do know it's difficult sometimes totally yeah how are you feeling about the album i'm feeling good i'm i I feel like there's a sense of, yeah, the fact that it's coming out, I feel this relief, actually, for when it bit.

27:19I'm really excited for people. I'm excited for people to hear the whole thing. Because choosing singles is difficult. I know. Isn't it? Yeah, I know. And you're just like, well, you know, deciding which ones are going to be first and what gives you a sense of the whole album and how do people lead into it. I find all of that, like I, you know, that's why I end up calling things Tiny Raisin and stuff. I feel like I find all of that quite difficult. Why did you call it Loveland? Because that comes quite low down on the order of the songs. On the order of songs. And there's a, is there a line about Santa Fe in there?

27:51Yeah. Yeah, what happened in Santa Fe? So that actually, that title came from this article that I read about Cormac McCarthy's kind of muse. and she had like finally spoken out and she'd never really, she'd never really kind of like written anything or spoken about their relationship before. Her name's Augusta Britt. And you know when you're just like completely taken by something that you read and there was a line. Oh, it looks gorgeous, Mum. Wow. Oh, I can smell, oh, it's like gorge, Mum. Perfect. I'm just looking at home cooked food. Amazing. Thank you, Mum. Thank you. That's so American to have like bread rolls on the side.

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29:23Mom, this looks delicious. What is it? I hope so. It's a chicken mango salad with soba noodles and a peanut dressing. delicious hope it works absolutely heaven just try so much pleasure look at these lovely shredded peas oh yeah oh yeah that's what they said that is delicious um so tell us more about this article that you read and you hadn't heard about augusta augusta brit so yeah that was where the title came from and so the the title in a funny way yeah it was i sort of was really just taken by this woman who'd like inspired so many films and so many books and was kind of like shrouded from the public and I was really touched by it so I sort of wrote this song for her and from her perspective and it was all based in Santa Fe which is strange because yeah but there was something I don't know I don't know if you ever have it it's like it's not my story but there was something in it that I very much deeply connected to and there was things from my past that I felt like connected to into sort of this like obsessive relationship that had like spanned like a long time.

30:32I was really taken by it. So that's where Loveland came from. I love that. Yeah. This is so tasty, mum. Do you like it? I absolutely love it. Was it easy? This is like perfect peanut sauce as well. I roasted the chicken last night. Could I have a bread bowl, darling? Oh, you roast a whole chicken. Okay, lovely. I thought it was easier. So, okay, let's go back to the Last Supper. So we've got a Coke, a Coca-Cola full fat. Oh. And we're back to the Last Supper. Where else, what else are we doing? What are we going to do? The Last Supper. Starter. Starter, maybe we would do, I like things with radishes.

31:18Okay. What, like a little like crudité? Yeah, nice little crudité. Like a kind of green goddess dressing. I think I would go back to things from my childhood. Maybe I really like hummus and taramasalata. Taramasalata. No one has it anymore, though. They do. Do they? They call it cods roe now. So you don't ever get it being called taramasalata. Oh, okay. Don't you feel like it's always whipped cods roe. Sorry, Mum. Thank you. Love tarama. I just haven't heard taramasalata in ages. And I used to eat that all the time. Have you tried your daughter on it? Not yet. Maybe a bit of pizza and taramon.

31:54Yeah, no, she'd love that. Coolness. Definitely into that. Better. Is she not fussy at eating yet? No, she's quite good. I'm quite happy about that. I enjoy that moment. Yeah. So annoying. Because you don't know when it's going to change. That's what my best, someone told me in this piece of parenting, and oh no, they said something at the beginning, they were just like, nothing's a straight line. And I'm like, that's kind of like the best piece of advice I've got. It's just, you never know what's going to happen. Yeah, I think that phases come and go. Totally, totally. um so okay so we're going tarama we're going dicks a few radishes maybe a bit of pita in there fine hummus yeah i'd love like a fish taco i think oh okay well is that from being in la so much have you had great fish tacos there or mexico uh yeah i love yeah that they do do great ones in la they do good ones in notting hill actually that i was really into i really yeah Yeah.

32:46It's Taqueria. Which has now been changed. Taqueria is really good, has it? To Tack. Oh. And Jackson Box has gone in on it. Oh, okay. Mm-hmm. They're great tapas before. So we've got the starter. We've got the drink. Are we going to have an alcoholic beverage or are we going to just stick to Coca-Cola? I think we could have a nice, like a Sancerre or something. Yeah. Lovely. A glass of wine. With what? Are we on lunch now? We're on mains. I think we might just have a massive bowl of, if it's the last meal, should we just do a spaghetti bolognese? Oh, lovely. Love shit. Should we do, yeah, carbonara?

33:24We could go really cheesy. So Italian is your go-to? Yeah. Oh, no, you've had a new dinner taco. Was that like a pre-meat tacos? We're just going mad. Yeah, let's just go mad. Let's go mad. Yeah, we could go. I feel like the dip was like a pre-starter. I sound like I don't eat any kind of like special good food, but I really, I'll sort of eat anything. I'm massively appreciative of just, yeah, I'll sort of do all of it. I might throw some sushi in there as well if we're just going to go. Some black cod. Yeah. Black cod. Delicious. So I feel like maybe you've got a sweet tooth. Yeah. Okay, so where's, is pudding, what are we doing with pudding?

34:08So maybe an apple pie would be great. Sticky toffee pudding. obsessed with that, like a good custard situation. What did I have? I had a homemade blueberry pie. Can't I custard powder in LA? Really? No. If you need to have custard. So what does everyone do with custard? Maybe make it from scratch. You can't get custard powder. Just take it with you if you need it for your trifle. At the moment you're taking your Alpen and your birds. I've got my suitcase. Full of custard powder and Alpen, yeah. Where will you go on holiday? Will you have a summer holiday? or you're too busy? So I had, I just did the countryside for, I've sort of been doing, this sort of holiday in July has been going to mum and dad's house in Hampshire, which really, I mean, the weather right now is, you know, and I just.

34:59Have they got a pool? They do. Oh, that's great. Yeah. I've been there the whole time. She'll be there this week, basically. And then I just went to a friend's, another friend's house in Hampshire last weekend and they had a pond, like a sort of pond with fresh water in it. Which was gorgeous. They were Icelandic, so they're all about being in the pond. I absolutely love that. So, yeah, it's more just been countryside weekend sort of stuff. And then, yeah, and then I guess the rest of the summer will be coming back to London. I'm doing like a break between, I've got two stints of tour and then I kind of come back for a month in the middle of it.

35:38But the annoying thing is, yeah, Rob's working because he's shooting Batman. So he's in like every day. Of course he's the Batman. They're filming it here. Oh, yeah. Does he have to speak to you like this when he's in character? He doesn't to me. No, I think he's a very good Batman. I have to say, I think he's a top Batman. He's amazing. But yeah, he's doing that. I'd ask him to bring the costume home. I wouldn't get him to wear the holiday plans. Yeah, that's so inconvenient, Batman. In this heat. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's a really heavy costume. It's a big... It's pretty like... And he's just rode across the world in the Odyssey.

36:18Yes, he's rode across the world. Oh, my God. Or round the world. Around the world. They did. They did that in so many different countries, that movie. So will... Oh, God. Will you take your daughter on tour with you? We're leaving on tour, baby. Has she been on tour bus yet, then? Two tours. two tours yeah she went rock and roll child yeah six six months old she went and then um yeah and then yeah she did and then she went on the one that i supported uh levy last year what is she like she's fab she's so amazing yeah she's i learned so much from her really yeah she's cultivated she's she's yeah she really she's just like really understood how to cultivate everything to her niche and grow this huge audience.

37:05She's insanely talented. I was amazing. It was really fun. I really like opening for people sometimes, actually. Going and completely being in their world. Watching their, you know, watching how they do things and it not all being on you. I really liked it. What did you learn from Taylor Swift? What did I learn from Taylor? I mean, I feel like you learn things from her all the time. Right. Do you know what the best, this is one thing I just always, I mean, I've been friends with her for a long time, so, but she's so, I'm talking of table manners and manners, but she's so, she makes people feel so special.

37:42When she, she just always goes above. Oh, she's one of those people you feel you're the most important person in the world. She really does. And she, well, she, I remember, one thing I remember about that opening for her was getting in and having this, this note written to me that was really sweet and heartfelt. And yeah, you know, you get like flowers and a note and you just get these little things that, you know, you get to take home and remember that. And she just is really, I've always noticed that about her. She like really takes the time to thank people and she really notices everyone around her and gives them their flowers, which I think is probably, you know, so much of what we do is about, not just us, but our team, right?

38:26Oh my, totally. It's such a group effort. I think that's one of the things that I've learned about her. It's just like how much grace. I think, you know, I went to the Harry Styles show on Friday and his team and him. And it comes from the top. It does. Yeah. They are so incredible and it makes such a difference. There's no ego. There's generosity. There's like consideration. And I can so imagine that Taylor does that so brilliantly. Yeah. Ready for dessert. Yes. What have we got? A gooseberry tart I can't believe how lucky I feel You're so sweet I cannot wait Let's hope it works A homemade gooseberry tart It's ridiculous Did you make your own pastry?

39:15The pastry has elderflower in So how long does that take you to make? This is all a bit messy actually Oh god It will taste delicious It will taste like custard Suki loves custard. It is a custard. Hold on. I'm doing it from the wrong side. Oh, no! Hang on. A bit of a hand. Sorry. Okay, sorry. Sorry. So it's a gooseberry and custard tart. Absolutely brilliant. This is oozy but deep. Extra creme fraiche or cream. I feel like it's creamy enough, Mum. This is really... Is it nice? It's slightly underdone, but it's kind of delicious. It's absolutely delicious. It's supposed to be like this. Oh, really?

39:55Wow. Okay, well, it's yummy. It's yummy. It's great. The gooseberries are so delicious. Maybe I do like gooseberries. I feel like I haven't... I can't think of the last time I even would have come and buy a gooseberry. Gooseberry full? I don't think so. They said to cool it completely, but I would have put this in the fridge to set a bit. Oh, yeah, maybe. Maybe it's just too hot today, and so it needed to set in the fridge. Oh, the pastry's so good as well. The pastry's great, yeah. Wow. I remember this one time. It is delicious. A year or two ago, me and Rob tried to make lunch for his sister, who was coming round, and it's sort of this famous story.

40:43Do you ever – I looked up this recipe about – it was like a salad with baked strawberries. No. Do you guys ever bake strawberries? No. No. No. Like a roasted strawberry. Yeah, because some people do it with balsamic or something. Strawberries in the oven. It looks delicious. But yeah, it's kind of gone down as this quite infamous story about us. What's the point in the kitchen just carrying out these sort of like oozing baked strawberries? Do you want some more? Yeah, honestly, I would have more. Yeah, do it. Did it taste good? I thought so. actually. So why is it an was it a Bridget Jones moment?

41:26It was a bit of a Bridget Jones moment. I think they were just confused but I'm just asking you guys, that's not something that you... Have we ever had a... We've had disasters, yeah. We've had disasters. Not with strawberries. No, I mean with strawberries. Do you never bake a strawberry? I've never baked strawberries. Okay, fine. But you've had disasters on the show? Yeah. Yeah. Had to order them. Sookie, where do you buy most of your clothes? in London are you vintage I really love at the moment um Lovers Lane on Portobello I'm going there a lot that's a vintage oh you like vintage got your microphone covered in gooseberry yeah I do like my vintage yeah I mean at the moment I've been getting quite that's not vintage uh this is like charity kind of charity shops oh my god yeah I've been I've been getting quite good at going around and then there's um this website called Vinted oh I love Vinted I mean I love Vinted.

42:22What is your kind of for you page on Vinted? Like, what are you getting fed a lot of? I think, like, I'm trying to, I'm always trying to find, like, a sort of cool, comfortable, but interesting jacket. Okay. Like a sort of cropped jacket. You had a good cropped jacket on the Zimmerman performance, which, by the way, was really brilliant. Oh, thank you. That cropped jacket, that looked fab on you with the kind of gilet thing. Yeah, like, I'm not into a gilet at the moment. I just found a great gilet on Vinted. And it's sort of, yeah, like thin. And then it's got like a little bit of a fluffy. I love a little bit of a fluff.

42:54Do you barter? Not really. I'm a bit of like getting, getting, getting out. Yeah. And then there's a website called Grailed. I'm on that quite a lot. Grailed? Yeah. And then First Dibs sometimes for clothes. I thought First Dibs was for art. They have like some pieces sometimes that you can get. Or like jewellery and little like. Yeah, they do have things. but a lot of that I do go on Instagram a lot and find vintage sort of sellers and stuff that I quite like but yeah I can shop I can shop Do you think there'll be a sequel to Daisy Jones? No because it's a limited series I know It's such a shame Loved it I know we tried to go on Sam Claflin Sam Claflin I think he's gorgeous Yeah well I've worked on I actually worked with him the first movie I ever did was this film called Love Rosie and I was a model at the time and my agent said he was always trying to like find me something else other than modeling to do because he was like you're just not very good so he was like modeling yeah he was like you should be a stylist or he was sort of i think you're no but he was helpfully trying to like yeah i wasn't you know yes he was like you should expand so he and i was i always had quite a lot of energy and i hadn't acted before but he um he said why don't you go to this there's an audition they're trying to find because the girl in the movie plays sort of a model.

44:14So she, so I went to this audition and got the film called Love, Rosie with Sam Plaflin and Lily Collins which was such a crazy, like look, the movie's kind of great. It really stands the test of time. It's like quite a, like really heartwarming. It's called Love, Rosie. I must watch it. Yeah, you should watch it. Is it a rom-com? Yeah. I love a rom-com. You feel like you're right in the 2000s. Right. So that was, and I kind of play the, I'm like kind of like the villain in it. And it was great fun. So I hadn't seen Sam not that much since that movie. So I think it was like a decade after that we did Daisy Jones and the Six together.

44:51Before we let you go, it's been completely wonderful having you. Oh, thank you guys so much. A nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere. A nostalgic taste. Oh, golden syrup. Oh, wow. Do you remember having golden syrup a lot? I've got some in my house. And you have it on porridge. What did you have it on? Yeah, on porridge. Pancakes? Pancakes. I was just obsessed. It's so thick. I know, but as a kid, I was all about the gums, Sarah. You like sugar, sookie. I do, I do, yeah. Thank you so much. All right. Good luck. Thank you so much, guys. And also just good luck with tour and congratulations.

45:29Thank you. You're doing it all. This was so lovely. I feel such a pleasure. I'm so grateful to be able to come on this podcast and get this lovely lunch. Such a pleasure. You were a fabulous guest. Oh, thank you. I'm sorry it's a bit gooey. No. I mean, we managed to finish it, didn't we? The portion size did it perfect. Are you a Gizby fan now? I actually think I'm a Gizby fan. I was like, yeah, no, they're a bit furry. That was great. I'm a Gizby fan. Yeah.

46:06Mum, that was such a delicious lamb. I loved it so much. The chillies didn't make you feel too hot. No. They did me. Oh. Yeah. I had to pull them all out. Oh no. I really loved it. She left her chillies as well, I noticed. And I got the extra mild ones because they mention Fresno chillies. Never heard of a Fresno chilli. Why don't next time you just not do a recipe with chillies in? Because I thought everyone else seems to like chillies and sriracha. Sriracha's quite like hot. like yeah if you don't it's only half a teaspoon of sriracha okay mum we're fine that wasn't a lot it was so yum and the roast chicken was beautiful it's worth roasting the chicken rather than yeah a whole roast chicken i thoroughly enjoyed it all right so good and the scoops loves it the custard had not set but no it had set it was it was a gooseberry and custard tart It said, take out the oven and leave it at room temperature.

47:06Yeah, but I think maybe because it's hot. But I guess they realised it was 30 degrees. Exactly. But it was hotter than that. It should have gone in the... It doesn't matter. It was so good. Yeah. It really felt like we were in the quaint English countryside. My pastry, Paul Hollywood, was cooked. It was really good. Yeah. Not a soggy bot in sight. Not a decaying bot as a Zuki. That was a brilliant story. Thank you to Sookie Waterhouse for coming on the podcast and being such a fab guest. Sookie Waterhouse's album Loveland is really fab and you should go and have a listen. And I would just once in my life be able to wear a skirt like she was wearing.

47:48Oh, I know. I would only ask for one day. Give me an hour, God. I know. Of wearing a short skirt like that. I know. Yeah. So gorgeous. Just throw it together. Just throw it together. She's just got style running through her veins. Very stylish, yeah. we'll see you next week for more podcasts

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