Irene The Alien's Ephemeral Visit to the Terrestrial Realm with Katya

30 Sep 2025 · 1 h · 31 chapters

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In short

Irene the Alien (Nay Dubois) joins Katya on The Bald and the Beautiful to discuss Drag Race life and trauma: differences between regular season and All Stars, being eliminated first, emotional fallout, and what it’s like performing on the slippery Drag Race main stage. They also trade stories about hair, hard-water residue in LA, and drag talent-show strategy (including Irene’s anti-lip-sync concept).

Guest backgrounds

Irene the Alien, Nay Dubois, is a Drag Race alumna and a full-time drag performer from Seattle with an established career and boyfriend/friends outside the show.

Key claims

All Stars treats queens more “humanely” and as working professionals, while regular seasons can feel like “cattle.” Irene says elimination first can trigger major personal collapse (including relationship breakup and friend fallout). She describes the main stage as greased-up, slippery steel that makes her fear falling.

Notable examples

Irene’s elimination led to her boyfriend moving to Spain and breaking up; she later cried violently on shrooms at a beach. She recounts a talent show where she tried a subversive, non-lip-sync act but it failed due to limited time and audience expectations. She cites Utica’s runway confidence issues as a specific frustration.

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Chapters

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Trixie's Absence and Hair Talks

1:41 to 2:52

Discussion about Trixie's cosmetic procedures and hair routines.

“Welcome to another episode of The Bald and the Beautiful.”

Introducing Irene the Alien

2:52 to 3:30

Irene the Alien, a Drag Race alumna, joins the discussion.

“I can't run out of the house with wet hair.”

The Challenges of LA Water

3:30 to 4:34

Discussion about the differences in water quality between LA and Seattle.

“Okay, so let's talk about the water in LA.”

Cleansing and Personal Care

4:34 to 5:26

Irene shares her views on cleanliness and personal grooming.

“At this point, I'm like, I have painted myself into a corner.”

Fashion Choices and Outfit Stories

5:26 to 6:39

Discussion about fashion choices, outfits, and borrowing attire.

“This had the tag on it, so she was more than willing to let me wear it.”

Story of a Violet Chachki Dress

6:39 to 8:19

Irene details her experience with a famous drag queen's dress.

“But Bob sent her a picture of it and she said, how is whoever that is able to fit into that dress?”

Experiences on Drag Race

8:19 to 9:30

Irene discusses her experiences on Drag Race and the differences between seasons.

“Like what is the difference between regular season and All Stars in your experience?”

Emotional Impact of Elimination

9:30 to 13:18

Irene opens up about the emotional fallout from her elimination on Drag Race.

“They have a trailer park with like 15 trailers.”

Coping with Emotional Turmoil

13:18 to 14:01

Discussion about coping mechanisms and emotional releases after stress.

Emotional Release on the Beach

14:01 to 15:17

Explore a cathartic moment of emotional release experienced on the beach.

“I totally, I know that that's sick, that, that I know that very well.”
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Emotional Release on the Beach

16:41 to 17:07

Explore a cathartic moment of emotional release experienced on the beach.

Summer Adventures and Airbnb

17:07 to 19:55

Discussing summer adventures, travel, and the joys of booking through Airbnb.

“a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak.”

Drag Race and Reality TV Insights

19:56 to 21:44

A conversation about Drag Race, its seasons, and the behind-the-scenes experiences.

“What is the last season of Drag Race you watched?”

Talent Show Challenges on Drag Race

21:45 to 28:00

Exploring the challenges and expectations of performing in a talent show on Drag Race.

“yeah is my time not as valuable as yours?”

Talent Show Reflections

28:00 to 29:40

Discussion of past talent shows and performance styles with humor.

“San Fran, Brooklyn, Chicago, and London liked it.”

Flying Insects and Stage Setups

29:40 to 31:00

A humorous encounter with a fly while discussing elaborate stage setups.

“Have you seen Dita Vontisa's show in Vegas?”

Aging and Personal Reflections

31:00 to 33:10

Exploration of feelings about aging and health in a comedic context.

“When I wake up, I waddle and I like groan and I croak and I creak and it's fucking rotten.”

The Reality of Competition

34:59 to 42:00

Insightful discussion about the realities and challenges of performance on Drag Race.

“That wouldn't help when you have greased up steel with steel brackets between each steel square.”

Gossiping About Drag Race Contestants

42:00 to 43:01

The hosts discuss their opinions on Drag Race contestants, particularly Utica's runway presentations and challenges.

“Oh, God, she looks a fucking mess, dude.”

The Challenges of Performance and Confidence

43:01 to 44:13

A deep dive into the challenges performers face with confidence, especially regarding runway presentations.

“I mean, that first costume construction episode, best thing ever produced on Drag Race, period, point blank.”

Modeling and the Perception of Skill

44:13 to 45:48

Discussion on the difficulty of modeling and the misconception of its ease, featuring the hosts' personal experiences.

“Do you ever feel like some girls are like, I'm ready to go.”

Reflections on Drag Race Experience

45:48 to 47:25

The hosts reflect on their own experiences with being eliminated from Drag Race and how it impacts their artistry.

“I'm so used to it at this point that I don't.”

Favorite Movies and Their Impact

47:25 to 49:56

A light-hearted conversation about their favorite alien movies and the elements that make them noteworthy.

“I Love Rock and Roll was the number one song on the day I was born.”

Critiquing Tim Burton's Filmography

49:56 to 51:08

Discussion on Tim Burton’s films, with critiques on pacing and storytelling, particularly focusing on 'Beetlejuice' and 'Nightmare Before Christmas'.

“Yeah, the Alice in Wonderland's are garbagio.”

Exploring the World of Lana Del Rey

51:08 to 56:00

An exploration of Lana Del Rey's music, her albums, and the emotional resonance her songs have with their experiences.

“I recently watched Pee-wee's Big Adventure.”

Famous Relationships and Career Choices

56:00 to 57:24

The hosts discuss the dynamics of dating famous individuals and their own relationship preferences.

“I know she's listening to the seventies classic rock.”

Rapid Fire Questions with Irene

57:24 to 58:26

A series of rapid-fire questions exploring the character Irene and her hypothetical professions.

“You will be, you'll be wowed with her camisoles and slacks and jumpsuits.”

Drag and Performance Insights

58:26 to 59:14

Discussion about drag performance, the need for a reset, and the pressures of all-star competitions.

“We need a, we need, we do need a reset because this is like, it's too much.”

Personal Experiences and Cultural Commentary

59:14 to 1:02:08

A mix of personal anecdotes and observations about societal issues and cultural influences.

“I may touch you the five-point palm exploding heart technique.”

Final Thoughts and Farewell

1:02:08 to 1:04:01

Wrapping up the conversation with reflections on the episode and humorous banter.

“A twink with a fat ass Okay, another rapid fire Quick, quick, quick rapid fire What is What is the sound that you love?”

Final Thoughts and Farewell

1:04:06 to 1:05:04

Wrapping up the conversation with reflections on the episode and humorous banter.

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Transcript

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0:00Irene The Alien:Good energy in.

0:03Katya Zamolodchikova:Good energy out.

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1:11Katya Zamolodchikova:Hi Divas, Katja here. Since Trixie is off to Turkey getting those hair plugs because she desperately wants to look like me, I'll take the reins in letting you know that we're going to be doing our final live bald shows of the year. In October, we're in Canada, October 3rd in Calgary, and 4th in Winnipeg. and November 9th will be in Tucson, Arizona. That's right, we only go to the desert in the winter. And on November 13th, we'll be in Honolulu. Oh, baby. Get your tickets now at TrixieAndKatya.com.

1:41Katya Zamolodchikova:Welcome to another episode of The Bald and the Beautiful. There's no baldness today, but there's two times the beauty. Oh. Oh, yeah. While Trixie's in Turkey getting her hair plugs and her tummy tucked. Oh, just airing her out. Wow. Her tummy tucked? Yeah, she's getting the old-fashioned lipo, and it's all-inclusive. You go to, it's like$3 ,500. They fly you out, pick you up at the airport. $3 ,500 for lipo? And the plugs. And then you stay at like a three-star resort hotel for like two weeks. $3 ,500 for lipo. And, well, it's in Turkey. So the exchange rate is very favorable these days. It could be$4 ,000, I'm not sure.

2:23Irene The Alien:Do you want to know what I paid for lipo?

2:26Katya Zamolodchikova:No. Okay. No, no, no, no. You let me talk. Sorry. My God. This is my podcast now. I've been trying to introduce you. While Trixie's away getting her jaw rewired, we have a special guest, a Drag Race alumna who you know and love. It's Irene the Alien, Nay Dubois. Welcome to the pod. Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure to be here. You look fantastic. And I just want to say that I'm very sorry that I was 35 minutes late.

2:52Irene The Alien:Hey, you know what? Honestly, I was expecting longer. so this is a pleasant surprise. I do have an excuse though. I now have, I've got to do my hair.

2:59Katya Zamolodchikova:I can't run out of the house with wet hair. The style looked like it took forever. I mean, it's not, it's just the drying. I don't know how to use the hair dryer. You don't have the diffuser yet? I don't even know what that is. It's a whole new world. I'm so new. What is a diffuser?

3:13Irene The Alien:It's like an attachment for your hair dryer and it makes the hair dryer, it's softer air so that you can like get the scrunched little TikTok hairstyle.

3:20Katya Zamolodchikova:Soft hair.

3:21Irene The Alien:Soft hair air. Soft air. Yeah. Like hard water, soft air. Exactly. God, the water in LA. Is hard as nails. I do not envy you. I feel slimy.

3:30Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay, so let's talk about the water in LA. Super relatable subject to everybody listening. Now, how does that manifest?

3:37Irene The Alien:You said in sliminess? Yeah, so when I shower in Seattle, after my shower, I feel clean. But when I'm in LA, which happens way too fucking often, I still feel like I have residue on my body.

3:49Katya Zamolodchikova:You've got scum on you, really? now and so is that the reason that i'm having such a hard time squeegeeing my my black uh tile

3:56Irene The Alien:in the shower 110 i actually i wouldn't know i i've never cleaned a shower in my life but

4:01Katya Zamolodchikova:okay well like so say spots yeah mold not mold grime we don't talk about mold here um like uh so like like a residue yeah that is that from hard water that could be hard water okay yeah You've never squeegeed. You've never done anything like that in your life before.

4:23Irene The Alien:I am a very resourceful person, but one thing I cannot do very well is clean, so I outsource that.

4:29Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay. Well, you're an alien, so I would imagine. I don't understand earth chemicals.

4:34Irene The Alien:God, honestly, the brand is so strong. Do you tire of it? At this point, I'm like, I have painted myself into a corner. Because I go to the gig and I'm like, I'm doing my Liza Minnelli number tonight. They're all dressed up like E.T. Yes. No, they show up with space buns.

4:47Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm like, sorry, kids, I'm not doing that shit anymore. You got cone heads in the audience. I love that. I relate a little bit because I kind of like for a good long time just like gave up on the Russian thing totally. And I was like, people just show up with a hammer stick. I'm like, good for you. I'm doing Kesha. I'm not a communist. I'm so sorry to tell you. Totally. So let's talk about you. Let's do it. I love my favorite.

5:14Irene The Alien:This is an outfit that I did not bring today. I borrowed this from the neighboring studio where Bob the Drag Queen. Get out of here. Oh, beautiful studio, by the way. Beautiful studio. Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous studio. Very enviable, that studio. This had the tag on it, so she was more than willing to let me wear it. That was from a store? This is a$50 dress from a store.

5:32Katya Zamolodchikova:Get out of here.

5:33Irene The Alien:And I did have this wig. The wig is mine. But yeah, it's lined.

5:37Katya Zamolodchikova:Lined. Gagatron dress. Champagne sequin, I would call that. Champagne.

5:42Irene The Alien:Yeah, totally. And I have a silver shoe, which is close enough. We're mixing metallics in 2025. Yeah, but I did change my gold earrings to a silver earring. That, I think, was the right choice because the accessories got to match. 100%. But I had this outfit that I was cinched for. And as I was waiting for you to arrive, the cinch became more and more difficult to deal with. And I was, well, so I had to be cinched because the dress that I was going to wear is actually one of Violet Chachki's old dresses.

6:09Katya Zamolodchikova:Why would you ever?

6:11Irene The Alien:Well I bought it off a girl who bought it off a girl Who bought it off a violet And by the time it made it to me it was only$200 So I was more than happy What did it look like? It's painted on my body bitch

6:21Katya Zamolodchikova:That doesn't say anything

6:23Irene The Alien:It's like pink and gold and black And it's like a little cut here And then cut right above the puss And then I have big shoulders like violet So I had to hide it with a jacket

6:35Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm a huge like violet

6:36Irene The Alien:I'm a big old man just like violet

6:38Katya Zamolodchikova:She has broad shoulders

6:39Irene The Alien:She's not petite. Get you a man who can do both. You know what I mean? But Bob sent her a picture of it and she said, how is whoever that is able to fit into that dress?

6:52Katya Zamolodchikova:You know, this is a sit and gig. And that's what I realized.

6:56Irene The Alien:I was sitting and I was waiting for you and I was like, I'm going to be mad if I have to wear this anymore.

7:00Katya Zamolodchikova:We're not showing off our waist on this show. Plus, people are in the car.

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7:03Irene The Alien:Right. No, no one's watching this anyway. So if I look like, what's her name from Dynasty? Crystal Connors No, no, no Joan Collins? Joan Collins If I look like Joan Collins on the Bald and the Beautiful podcast Is it Joan Collins or Joan? It's Joan Collins

7:18Katya Zamolodchikova:and her sister's Jackie Collins Jackie Collins That's right, that's right I was gonna I love Oh, I wish You know, you could I could do a fabulous Crystal No, no, no Linda Evans Yeah, yeah, yeah With the hair Honestly, I'm shocked you haven't I know Well, you know what? It's not easy finding that hair There are people who make hair I know, but it's got to be, that is a very particular bob. Yeah. It is a very blown out shoulder. It's a big fat page boy. With the goofiest bang, the Sabrina Carpenter bang. Huge goofy bang, big. I mean, it is a very voluminous and it's that ash blonde that's almost gray that you can't ever find.

7:56Katya Zamolodchikova:This one needs a little bit of a ton. Well, this is 613. Yeah. And I have purple shampooed it. Have you? I did. I purple shampooed it because it was a little bit more yellow. It's giving Twink and Crisis brassy. oh you think it's that brassy really

8:07Irene The Alien:you look like your boyfriend broke up with you and you're like I know it'll show him this is the 40 year old I'm gonna dye my hair blonde gay moment sure I'm still with it

8:16Katya Zamolodchikova:I can hang I have a friend it is funny I have a good friend of mine just dyed his hair blonde from jet black and he's 41 and I'm wondering what's going on with his life nothing good so I was asking you earlier before we were rolling, if they still said hard ice on Drag Race and you said no, they don't on the All Stars without giving too much like how the sausage is made away. Like what is the difference between regular season and All Stars in your experience?

8:46Irene The Alien:I just think that they are a little bit more aware of the fact that we are working professional drag queens on All Stars.

8:52Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay.

8:52Irene The Alien:And so we're treated as girls. I mean, obviously my experience of being on a regular season of Drag Race was very, very short because I went home first. But we were treated sort of like cattle on regular Drag Race. and on All Stars, they were sort of more like, thank you for being here. Yeah, a little more humanized. But they've changed the way that they store us, you know. Have you heard this? Our cryogenic freezers are different now. They store us. Yeah. You're on racks of refrigerated... No, our matrix tubes that we're kept in when we're not on camera. When they're feeding the tube down our throats.

9:24Irene The Alien:Yeah. Well, they have to shut us down so the story doesn't develop. Wait, wait, how did they store you? There's a trailer park. They have a trailer park with like 15 trailers. And there's a common area where we can all hang out when we're like chilling.

9:38Katya Zamolodchikova:You can hang out on camera?

9:39Irene The Alien:We can hang out off camera.

9:41Katya Zamolodchikova:Interesting. And there's a trailer park where?

9:44Irene The Alien:Across the street from the studio.

9:45Katya Zamolodchikova:Where's the studio? I'm not going to say it on camera. So they store you in a much more humane is the word you're about to say. Humane, hospitable situation. So going home first, tell me. Nasty. Wouldn't recommend it. right of course not but like I want to tell me what exactly like give me the whole full

10:05Irene The Alien:psychological profile of you of that experience it's sort of like everything positive you think about yourself just gets flushed down the toilet yeah and it was crazy in the moment I wasn't really super broken up about it because I was like I have like a full I've been a full-time drag queen in Seattle for a really long time I've got a great career to go back to I have a lovely boyfriend who, you know, everything is going super well with that. I have like amazing friends. And then I got home, got eliminated first. My boyfriend moved to Spain and broke up with me. And all my friends turned on me because I was so unhappy with, it was crazy.

10:40Irene The Alien:So I was like, oh, everything's going wrong. So my life kind of fell apart. And, you know, I was weird.

10:48Katya Zamolodchikova:Because Trixie and I have been rewatching season seven. I've been watching. It's, it's, I, in my experience, there's really no way to on the first season like you're saying you get the experience is more humanized and you're familiar with it on the all-star season but in the first season I felt that it was very do or die it was very serious like very very deadly serious and I mean even at even at the point of like the second say the end of the first episode when you're dancing at the end of the lip sync you've been there for a little bit like you've been there for several days

11:22Irene The Alien:the first episode took a week to film

11:24Katya Zamolodchikova:there you go So like, that's insane. So even a week on drag race with no phone, no contact in a barn or in a cryo chamber or whatever, you feel like it's your eye or I felt like it was like the most important thing in the world. And it was very, very like I because I thought that like and I think that going home second is harder than first. That's just my opinion. Yeah.

11:49Irene The Alien:A lot of people share that opinion.

11:50Katya Zamolodchikova:Because I think because of the, just because of the memorability factor, like at least it's like, well, I was shot for, like, so you have that impression. Like you make us, you make an impression.

12:00Irene The Alien:There's a word for it, right? It's pork chop. There's not a word for second hour.

12:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And also it's like, it can be a fluke because there are many girls. As I have proven. There you go. No, seriously. Like, because there's, there are some, it's kind of bad luck. Like you could be, you could have a huge skill set, have a huge personality and then you just fuck up or you just like, you know, you're driving down the street and you hit a, you get a flat tire and it's, and it's not your fault and it's a bummer and it's, it doesn't necessarily like, I mean, I don't think getting eliminated from drag race is, is, you know, it's not like a, doesn't mean anything about you, but like it can certainly like you can feel wounded as a drag queen, but yeah, I think it's, it's, it can be like a fluke and then you could be an incredible, Queen it's just a bummer that people didn't get to know you

12:50Irene The Alien:yeah I mean I think for sure when I was there and I was getting eliminated I also was on the first season in years where the person eliminated first was actually eliminated first so as it was happening what does that mean? Season 12, season 13, season 14 they would eliminate someone and then bring them right back it was like a fake out or they would just like go through several episodes before eliminating someone right so they eliminated me and I was like oh okay you're sure I'm going home and then they're like well I walked off the main stage so your flight's on Wednesday and we need you to not pack right now and do Untucked right now and I was like wait this is really happening and for the next like 24 hours I was still there because I had to film confessionals and shit and I kept waiting for someone to come in and be like you're back and it never fucking happened off camera did you cry are you a crier I didn't cry until October I was on the beach with some friends we were on vacation at a cabin and we all took shrooms and everybody else went inside and I stayed on the beach and okay it might have been in November because this was after my boyfriend had broken up with me and on shrooms the weight of everything that had happened hit me all at once and I cried so violently and viscerally that I got nauseous and I was like dry heaving on the beach and I had to call my mom and be like I just need you to sort of trips it for me over the phone while I like expel every emotion I've ever had.

14:17Irene The Alien:It was crazy. I know. I totally, I know that that's sick, that, that I know that very well. It's the only time it's ever happened to me. I'm not a crier. I'm not an emotional person like that. It's,

14:30Katya Zamolodchikova:oh gosh. Yeah. My friend said it was like, he just mentioned that it was, you can think about it like, if you think about it, like you're actually like expelling like crap from your body, then it can be helpful. But it's not, It's certainly not pleasant in the moment. No, but there was a cathartic element to it.

14:47Irene The Alien:I was kind of happy to have accessed it because I had been holding on to it for so long that I was like, oh, afterwards. I was like, oh, my God, it's out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like being constipated after being, you know, after surgery when you're taking Oxy or whatever.

15:00Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, and they get to digitally extract the feces from your butthole.

15:02Irene The Alien:You know those videos where they're cleaning out a drainpipe and at first it's slow. And then shablam. And then shablam. Yeah. That was damn.

15:17Katya Zamolodchikova:This episode is sponsored by Wonderful Pistachios. Hey Katya, I have an important question for you. Do you know what I love about summer? You know what, Trixie? I don't. Well, good, because I'm about to tell you. Everything feels just a little more fun. Longer days, warmer nights, and snacks that feel like a treat. I could not agree more. And that is why this episode is sponsored by Wonderful Pistachios. Right now, I am deeply, emotionally, and spiritually into wonderful pistachios, chocolate sea salt, and chocolate toffee flavors. OMG, same. The delicious roasted pistachios are thinly dipped in dark chocolate antioxidant goodness, so you get that sweet, indulgent flavor.

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17:07Katya Zamolodchikova:a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to sleeping bear dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial. Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks. All with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in.

17:41Katya Zamolodchikova:That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late-night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives. And if I'm traveling with friends, even better. We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb.

18:18Katya Zamolodchikova:When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat, and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy. I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial.

19:01Katya Zamolodchikova:Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks. All with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives. And if I'm traveling with friends, even better.

19:34Katya Zamolodchikova:We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb. Did you watch the season? It was bad without me. Thank you. Thank you. It was a bad season. I didn't watch it because of that. They needed... Girl, you... What is the last season of Drag Race you watched? No! Stop it, everyone.

20:10Katya Zamolodchikova:What are you talking about? You're like, thank God that my podcast is not a Drag Race recap. There are too many of them. There are too many. We don't need to add to that. No, I've watched... I've watched a bunch. Sure, why not? Every one of them. Uh-huh. You, when you're on the pit stop. All right, listen. You have to watch the, I get accused of that all the time. They sit there and make you. She didn't watch the episode. What do you think I was doing? They literally, like, glue your eyeballs to the screen. No, it's full clock recording. You watch it seconds before you're on camera. Yeah. Because it's like, what?

20:39Katya Zamolodchikova:They're not going to trust you to do homework at home. No. Anyways, obviously, it's not even out yet. You don't have access to it. Yes. You're the only ones that do. Right. Have you seen my episode that I got eliminated on?

20:48Irene The Alien:That's probably for the best. Your opinion of me will be much higher because of it.

20:52Katya Zamolodchikova:Listen, I'm a person who is, I'm a flake. I'm lazy about work, not about other things. Only the things that are making you money. Well, yeah. If I have to do something, then I immediately don't want to do it. Do you know why I got eliminated? Because you were from a different planet and you didn't qualify? Or were you Dubois then? I was Dubois then. Okay. When did you take that? When did you sort of

21:18Irene The Alien:Right after. Blast off. I was like, I need them to not When they Google Irene DuBois, it's going to come up You burned your passport. So I was like, we're changing

21:26Katya Zamolodchikova:witness protection. No, I didn't. Why were you eliminated? And listeners, please don't, don't be You know what? Keep your You just keep your mouth shut, okay? No, it's kind of, it's fun to like talk to somebody who doesn't know. I don't want to be mad at me that I didn't do my homework. No, I don't fucking give a shit, dude. And I don't want it to reflect on you because I think you're a lovely person. thank you and I can't wait to get to know you this 10 minutes we've spent together you're already in love well I mean you're always so gracious that I was 35 minutes late so that's a great start

21:52Irene The Alien:could you imagine if I went on the most successful drag podcast ever and was a diva about you being late

21:57Katya Zamolodchikova:I would yes I think that would be incredible should I have been? yeah is my time not as valuable as yours? put me in my place

22:03Irene The Alien:like make my face go red

22:04Katya Zamolodchikova:that would be amazing

22:05Irene The Alien:I'll just dom you yeah yeah yeah I um we had a talent show okay so this stresses me out

22:11Katya Zamolodchikova:it's the worst challenge it's it's Bat and Snatch Game Mary, we started the talent. Yeah, we started the talent. All Stars 2. And I'm not to cut you off, but I will just say briefly, we got a call from the producers before, you know, because they gave us, what, three weeks? And about two weeks, they're like, hey, what do you think about a talent show? What do you think about? Yeah. Like your input mattered? No, yeah. No, seriously. Because they're like, we're thinking about like a talent show. What would you do for a talent show? And they really wanted to, it was a logistical thing. like they said like you can't lip sync to jenna jackson because we can't get the rights to that song they told coco she could do it though no oh oh gosh my gosh but see that's like so that was that was a that was unfair to her i believe because coco montries is an extremely talented drag queen she's not a carpenter she's not like don't judge a fish by how it climbs a tree exactly

23:08Irene The Alien:put that on a fucking bumper sticker, you bitch. It's my new merch. You can get it on mybestjudy.com.

23:13Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, yeah. And so exactly. However, like, you know, it is a strange thing to do what she did. I think it was performance art. I would have given her the top prize. But yeah, that is a tough... To me, I get, oh, I get like, I get full body chills. You get the willies? Yeah, I get full body chills. Full body chills. What did you do and what happened?

23:34Irene The Alien:Okay, so at the time that I got to do a talent show. You know, we're many seasons into the talent shows and it's become very clear that what people are starting to do is lip sync to an original track. Talk about it. They love it. You know who loves it even more?

23:51Katya Zamolodchikova:RuPaul. RuPaul loves it. The only thing she loves more than a black cent or someone losing a ton of weight is if someone loses a ton of weight. She just loves when that fatty slings down, she gets hard. boned up she is bricked for that former fatty there's a season from the first episode where she goes well you look great tempest so you lost 6 ,000 pounds that's incredible thank god you did you nasty former fat fuck you know it's just crazy no comment no no no I know we're exaggerating of course I'm still trying to get invited back we're in love with everything she does so but yeah so go ahead

24:34Irene The Alien:So my idea was I'll really gag them and do something super subversive and the complete opposite of a lip sync. Wait, I think I saw this. The glass of water. I love that. It is your type of thing. I love that shit. It's your type of thing. I love that shit. Have you ever seen Pickle Surprise? Of course. It's a surprise. I thought that the woman who was a part of Pickle Surprise. See, that's not that woman. Have you seen her TikToks lately? Oh, but see.

25:01Katya Zamolodchikova:She wants to be an alternative queen again so bad. Which one of you bitches is my mother? Where's that shirt today? I have that. I know. The one we're talking about RuPaul's Instagram. And if you take a look at her Instagram or maybe her TikTok too. Her TikTok, yeah. I look at her Instagram. Her Instagram is filled with silly, silly, silly videos. My favorite is when she opens the door and then she's there with her purse on her head to the side. And she's like, can I help you? Do you have a question? And then just, it's just, have you seen her pulling out the LaRouRou? I have. I don't, I don't love that because I cannot stand, I don't even want to say the word.

25:42Katya Zamolodchikova:Say it. LaBouBou. Yeah, fucking, I think it's another sign. Another sign, just one of many signs of the end times that are already upon us. Fucking LaBouBou. Did you feel that way? If you have a LaBouBou,

25:53Irene The Alien:I'm going to kill you. Did you feel that way?

25:54Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm going to run you over with my car.

25:55Irene The Alien:I got tipped a LaBouBou and I gave it away. Thank God. To a friend. You don't touch that shit. you just kick it. Did you not like a Beanie Baby?

26:02Katya Zamolodchikova:No. What? What the fuck do you think I was doing when I was 13? I was drinking blood in the dark. Right. So true. Beanie Baby blood.

26:11Irene The Alien:Beanie Baby. What do you do? Cut a hole and then fuck it.

26:15Katya Zamolodchikova:It's not. It's filled with like

26:17Irene The Alien:jelly beads.

26:18Katya Zamolodchikova:No, it's filled with like I thought it was filled with like sand or something. No, no. Beanie Babies? Yeah, they're not getting in that hole. Okay, okay. Anyways, so enough with the fucking toys. RuPaul's Instagram oh yeah RuPaul is on the main stage there's many versions of RuPaul sure but she wants

26:35Irene The Alien:to be a freak again she's sick of this no but she is a freak but she can't be right she doesn't want to wear the corsets and the gowns no she wants to be Pickle Surprise Rue yeah and so I thought that I was appealing to her better half but she yeah it just didn't it didn't it was my fault it was a big swing it didn't work and it didn't work because it was a shortened version of an act that I have done successfully but the shortened version was not successful. Well, see, that's the other thing

26:59Katya Zamolodchikova:is that you've got 60 seconds or 90 seconds. 60. I mean, the girls who, you know, I've, have there, has there been a girl who's gone out there and done like a tight one? You can't. That's not a thing.

27:12Irene The Alien:You can't. It's not a thing. For a reason. If I had been smarter, I would have realized that any attempt at comedy is just going to be unsuccessful unless it's in musical form. This fucking fly.

27:22Katya Zamolodchikova:Now, my, my, my talent would be like grabbing the fly and eating it. I tried earlier. Did you see me try to grab it karate kid style? A little lizard. I wish, like, you know what mine would be? I would try to, I would have to, I would try to snatch my own eye out and eat it. It would have to be obviously. But like magic trick. Yes. That's fun. Like, like. No one's done magic. Or like step on it with the toes.

27:48Irene The Alien:I'm at the point now where I think I have. Because, you know, once you reach a certain level of success in drag, you've like proven yourself. you have a lot more fun you can have more fun and there's more room to play so I my most recent talent show I took it seriously if I ever went back and had to do another talent show I would take the piss again

28:06Katya Zamolodchikova:yeah

28:06Irene The Alien:because I think part of the problem was that they weren't familiar enough with me to understand that like I'm taking the piss fully what did they think you were doing just fucking dicking around up there they thought I was trying to make them belly laugh but I was more trying to be like anti-humor they got it but they didn't like it

28:22Katya Zamolodchikova:also I don't think Beth from Iowa would be like, what's that?

28:27Irene The Alien:Different cities liked it. So there are cities that liked it. San Fran, Brooklyn, Chicago, and London liked it. Yeah, because they're all familiar with conceptual performance art.

28:36Katya Zamolodchikova:Don't mind this.

28:36Irene The Alien:Shouldn't have done conceptual performance art on Drag Race.

28:40Katya Zamolodchikova:Unless you're Jimbo. Jimbo, or who's the girl that gave her, who jumped in the toaster bath?

28:44Irene The Alien:Willow Pill. Which a lot of people thought that I was trying to piggyback off of her. How? Water? Just different. Just being different. you know when there's so many girls who are doing the same thing just not doing that puts you in a category question though where the fuck did they get all these props from I know they didn't bring it from home they give you a$500 budget of stuff that you can order for the show I mean our All Stars talent show they're building set pieces and equipment look at look at Faramund she had a whole Crystal Connors goddess set up I think she paid for that okay did you see the talent show with Bosco on my season of All Stars did I she has it touched me

29:25Katya Zamolodchikova:yeah this fly is coming to get us people on the 405 that want to know what we're talking about we got a fly in the studio and it's just really terrorizing us it's really it's really kind of throwing a wrench in the chemistry if you notice we're a little bit awkward here

29:36Irene The Alien:I'm having a really hard time with this actually it's really going downhill they built her a full platform that spins so that she could get on a chair get into the splits on the chair and be spinning around yeah I don't think that's fair what's what she asked for okay well I could have asked for a spinning platform

29:50Katya Zamolodchikova:what if I asked for a pink Corvette that shoots me into the moon.

29:52Irene The Alien:Maybe they would have built you.

29:53Katya Zamolodchikova:You know what I mean? I don't know. Have you seen Dita Vontisa's show in Vegas? I have seen, I've not in Vegas, but I've seen it here in LA.

29:59Irene The Alien:When she drives the car onto the stage and the car is rhinestone. I have seen that. She is, she is truly spectacular.

30:05Katya Zamolodchikova:What do you think about her?

30:06Irene The Alien:Uh, wish I could be her.

30:08Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. And you know, she is human and it's not Cirque du Soleil, but like, it's, it's kind of, it's perfect. It's perfect. It's the best show I've ever seen. Right? I mean, it's, it's sensational. like when oh my god people on the 101 we gotta fly we gotta fly in the studio all these local LA references I feel like a local we can't we can't neglect to keep in mind that people are not always watching listeners I look amazing I'm sorry that you can't see me yeah she looks incredible she's doing mixed metallics she's doing stone fishnets I have nails on she's got nails on she doesn't even need body makeup because her skin is so perfect oh my god and um guess how old I am 38 28 21 22 how old are you really I'm 32 32 you like being 32 how do you feel what age do you feel I feel 25 25 how old do you feel body wise very much older than I actually am and like emotionally way younger than I should feel I know why that is you know what I mean like I feel I don't even get into it sounds so so gross.

31:19Katya Zamolodchikova:When I wake up, I waddle and I like groan and I croak and I creak and it's fucking rotten. Is your asshole still in? My asshole is, I have the asshole of a third grader mama. Perfect. Okay. She's like. That's the thing. That's the one thing about aging that I'm scared of. What? Getting your fucking blown out cow pussy dragging on the floor like with diapers on?

31:38Irene The Alien:Having a tail that looks like the alien's inner mouth?

31:41Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, I have a lovely little suggestion for you. Don't get fucking double fisted at Folsom every other fucking day.

31:47Irene The Alien:I haven't bottomed in years. Then why do you feel like your pussy's going to fall out?

31:51Katya Zamolodchikova:It just happens, doesn't it? No, wait, doesn't it just happen?

31:53Irene The Alien:Old people's assholes just fall out. You got to screw it back in.

31:58Katya Zamolodchikova:If you're not getting the ottoman from fucking CB2 shoved up there, you don't have to worry about it. Well, I actually have some questions for you. Hold on. These drapes go with this program. No, that I, listen, I got friends who are anal explorers of the most Olympic... Spelunkers. Spelunkers. I mean, they wrote the book on it and they got to worry about diapers before they turn 50. But that's another story for another time. I'm happy that you're... I don't get it. I don't bottom, really. It's gross. Get out of there. It's not gross.

32:28Irene The Alien:I mean, it can be very gross. It's like you poop out of there, mama. That's not what makes it gross. Oh. It's you're inside me. I don't want you in there.

32:34Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, wow. That's my private business. That sounds like... That sounds like a barrier to intimacy that's emotional. Probably.

32:41Irene The Alien:No.

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34:59Irene The Alien:y 'all were riding tricycles compared to what is required now

35:03Katya Zamolodchikova:no mama there were no tricycles it was crazy y 'all were like we did not have any props y 'all were waka waka there were no props there was a microphone if you wanted it yeah um and that was it there was nothing else there was just that rudimentary just that fucking greased up steel stage hot do you do you would you would you sorry sorry would you would you agree with me when I say that that main stage is greased up solid steel slippery

35:31Irene The Alien:I think everyone who saw the finale of my All Stars season will know that I definitely feel like it is greased the fuck up.

35:36Katya Zamolodchikova:Can we get a Marley floor? Can we get a... Where's Miss Marley? Can they sweep it in between episodes? That wouldn't help when you have greased up steel with steel brackets between each steel square.

35:49Irene The Alien:I did a lip sync on episode two and glass bugle beads got everywhere and got shattered and Bosco was bleeding profusely because she got naked. And when we came to rehearse the next day for the next episode, the glass bugle beads were still everywhere. Love it.

36:01Katya Zamolodchikova:I was like, oh, that's the attention to detail that you really count on for World of Wonder. Oh, yeah. I the way that I hate that fucking main stage is you cannot. It's beautiful. I guess.

36:13Irene The Alien:Especially the new one with the video projection screens.

36:15Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, that's not on the that's not on the floor. No, but who's looking at the floor? Everybody. Because they're looking at your feet while you're walking. Sniffing your toes, girl. Like they're looking at they're looking at you and the way that you are the way that you're walking is directly informed by the the the service of the floor that you are walking. It's a slippery floor.

36:32Irene The Alien:And let me tell you one thing about me, Katya. I'm gonna fall. I'm a falling bitch. And so I struggle every single time. Every time I step out on that stage, I almost fall. It's crazy.

36:44Katya Zamolodchikova:What was the first pass of the first time you ever walked the main stage? What was it like? Do you remember it? Hideous. What did you remember thinking? Why didn't I get to rehearse this? Thank you. People are on the 110 right now. We're both thinking the same thing. Why didn't I get to rehearse this? Why don't they give us, in my head I was like, so I know that they're trying to like, I know that all of this withholding of information is of a purpose. It's the game. Right. The shock, the awe, the nerves, it's all trying to be manufactured, ratcheted up for the greatest degree of entertainment possible.

37:21Katya Zamolodchikova:However, it feels a little cruel. I still think it's cruel. I also think it kind of doesn't make that much sense. I get it in the sense of. Do you want everybody to slip?

37:30Irene The Alien:Well, that's it.

37:31Katya Zamolodchikova:What the fuck is wrong with you?

37:32Irene The Alien:I get it in the sense of we're making a TV show and we don't have time for anything but what needs to be on camera. Oh, give me a fucking break.

37:36Katya Zamolodchikova:They got plenty of time.

37:38Irene The Alien:But I also would have loved to have even seen it before stepping out in my very first runway look in eight inch platform heels.

37:47Katya Zamolodchikova:Especially when it's like, because having seen the show does nothing to prepare you for what the reality of the show actually is. Of course. Let me tell you that. Because that stage, I can't stress this enough. I'm like, it's basically the water country over there. It's made out of banana peels. It's made out of banana peels. It is, they grease it down with like hair, with that olive oil hairspray every, like between each contestant.

38:11Irene The Alien:Do you think it's like part of, it's like a American Ninja Warrior where they're like,

38:14Katya Zamolodchikova:no, you have to survive this test. That would be interesting. And I would be on board for that because then you're like ready. You know what I mean? You're like, you're, you're like thighs are gripped and you're like, you're like, but instead you like, you try to be pussy and you're like, it's impossible. And then you're like, oh my God. And then you start panicking halfway down. and they're so close to you, the judges. Oh, you feel that way? Oh my God. I felt like they were up my ass. I was like, where are they? Oh, I felt like they were, I felt as soon as it got on, maybe with COVID they changed it.

38:39Katya Zamolodchikova:They might have. They might have been closer back in the day. I know the set on, the set on the UK version was a little bit different. Were you on UK? I was there for a day doing something and I just got to peek at it and it was like a little bit different. But the one way back when, I thought it was tiny compared to what I imagined.

38:58Irene The Alien:Well, when I watch the old seasons and I look at the judges panel, they are this close to each other on that panel. Now they're all stretched apart. You know what I mean? They're seated far. And there's only four of them. They used to be like closer than we are now.

39:08Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, when I was. Yeah. I mean, I would. They were like this, this, this, this is up in each other's pussies. Yeah. Because they could do this.

39:15Irene The Alien:They would just do. Yeah. Like that. Or they hold the fan in front of the face. Yes. Oh, I forgot about that one. Yeah.

39:20Katya Zamolodchikova:But anyways, we were right there. And then I have Tracy reminded me that you do two passes. Not always.

39:26Irene The Alien:Really?

39:27Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, yeah. On All Stars we mostly did one. Really? And it would be without music. So most of our runways were without music. Okay, I'm not sure if you did this and I'm sorry if you did but I would like to suggest all contestants in the future just walk the runway. Just walk it. Instead of skipping? Let's not do Charlie Chaplin.

39:53Irene The Alien:No Waka Waka on the runway?

39:54Katya Zamolodchikova:Let's not do like arm animals or let's not do like did you do that? Were you like a

40:04Irene The Alien:Was that you? I came out in an outfit dressed as an angel. Okay. Did you do this? Well, my real arms were in the wings. Okay. And I had fake arms. So I was in fact flapping my wings. That's a little bit different. Is it? Okay.

40:17Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm talking like a person who's like dressed as like a fierce woman. Right. And they were just like doing bits up there. You don't like a bit? I hate them. I hate the bits I'm very traditional What do we have in common? Nothing You're an old school queen Yeah

40:31Irene The Alien:If you're not wearing nails You're not in uniform

40:33Katya Zamolodchikova:No I don't give a shit about nails I just give a shit about What you're doing with the hands That nail's supposed to be on You don't like this? You don't like a little whack? I mean I can't get I just You know what I would be? I would be the guest judge with a Glock And if they pointed to where they were in a Glock I'm shooting that finger off Period Slay Point again Yeah

40:51Irene The Alien:I would have a BB gun I call my boyfriend BB gun Kelly Because Buzz. He's short and covered in tattoos. It's like a small machine gun Kelly. He's BB gun Kelly. That's funny.

41:03Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh my God. So yeah. So you're like a, you're a mugger. You're like a bit doer. You're like a, you're like a

41:09Irene The Alien:No, I'm a big uncomfortable man.

41:11Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay. You don't ever watch. I just miss the days of just being Miss Pussy. When they were in mall clothes? Not necessarily. I mean, I'm thinking about like my name and me Smalls. Sure. I'm thinking about

41:21Irene The Alien:Violet. So give me an example of someone you hate. Say their name.

41:24Katya Zamolodchikova:It's It's like, oh gosh, it's like every season. It's like, I feel like it's like maybe,

41:36Katya Zamolodchikova:that's just more that hokey pageant thing. I'm like Chanel, that's like a hokey pageant thing that's way before Drag Race. That's the whole like - That's modeling your gown. Yes, exactly. That's like evening gown competition. Exactly. Like you're doing this, you're doing that. I'm thinking who does it it's like maybe Thorgy not really Thorgy but like fuck I wish I had a good example I'm sorry I don't it's fine I just wanted you to talk shit about someone on the pod I know I'm trying to think Tina Burner maybe not Tina Burner who the fuck does it do you not know what I'm talking about

42:10Irene The Alien:no one in this room but me watches the show

42:12Katya Zamolodchikova:it's like I think like you don't know what I'm talking about I'm talking about this yes I'm talking about yeah demonstrate

42:20Irene The Alien:it. Yeah, she's... Oh, God, she looks a fucking mess, dude. Oh, you're talking about Utica.

42:28Katya Zamolodchikova:Yes! Yes! Yes! Thank you, God! All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Thank you, God. Now, let me be very clear. Weird, weird. I am weird. Boop, boop, boop. I get it. It's like the OG TikTok dance. Shut it the fuck down. Like, TikTok just started and they're doing all those, like, the couples are doing it in the mirror. They're doing their boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. I'm a savage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, that being said, what particular, what irked me so much about Utica was that she would be wearing the most incredible things.

43:00Irene The Alien:She lost out on challenge wins because of her runway presentation. Oh, my God.

43:05Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean, that first costume construction episode, best thing ever produced on Drag Race, period, point blank. Well, now she's on Project Runway. I know. And as well, she should be. That level, I was like, damn. Right. That was such a disproportionate... I don't know.

43:20Irene The Alien:I think, you know, there's been looks. Like, there's this one, like, jumpsuit with, like, the 60s I think it's like a Hello Kitty jumpsuit with, like, a 60s blonde Oh my god, the one, and then with the

43:32Katya Zamolodchikova:pearls? I completely forgot. Oh, another sleeping bag look. Well, no, the second, I mean, besides that one, which obviously is the best one, I can't believe I forgot about that. I'm just so humble. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Not only was I like mugging and doing bits, I had completely lost my mind. Obviously. Lost. Like gone. Yeah, it was. Crazy. The implication you had is. Like, what is she computing? Like, she's like, is she from the future or the past? She's computing like the luggage, how much the luggage is going to cost on the way home because she's going right to the airport. She's putting in the GPS to LAX.

44:12Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah.

44:13Irene The Alien:Oh my God. Do you ever feel like some girls are like, I'm ready to go. I'm going to bomb this because I'm done.

44:18Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. That was a hundred percent me. I wanted, I needed to go home. Yeah. It was over. And I was, I'm not saying that to like, as a, like I, like as an excuse or what do you call that? Like when you really tried, but you want to pretend like you didn't cause you lost. Sure. Like I knew I was saving face. Exactly. There was no face to be saved. I was like, get me the fuck out of here. Cause I was actually like very, very unwell. Um, so the, anyways, so Utica, like that, I hated that so much because God, it's just like, let the outfit, let the outfit speak because it's like we just want to hear her talk you shut the fuck up well because I think

44:51Irene The Alien:the thing that you're picking up on is the fact that they don't have the confidence to let the outfit speak and watching someone be not confident is uncomfortable

45:00Katya Zamolodchikova:bam 100 % and also it's like there's the further there's the dissonance because it's like well why the lack of confidence because the talent is so clearly there it's like which means that you're an insecure person

45:09Irene The Alien:and insecure people make me uncomfortable

45:10Katya Zamolodchikova:there you go and also but here another thing that is probably not very well considered is that modeling is not easy. It's way harder. It looks easy. When you walk, you're on your fucking,

45:23Irene The Alien:like when I'm doing it, I'm like, this is so like, it doesn't take any work. Like I'm so good at this. And then I watch someone else do it. I'm like, Oh, it really is a skill that I have.

45:32Katya Zamolodchikova:That I was born with. And then that I'm like, I just,

45:35Irene The Alien:yeah, it's like an innate thing that I'm just born to do. And other people aren't like, it's just, they don't have it in the way that I have it.

45:40Katya Zamolodchikova:And you, I mean, and you're so humble. You always forget that when you walk in a room, everybody just quits. Right. You know, because you're like, well, why is everybody leaving? Because I walked in the room and I don't have a chance.

45:50Irene The Alien:I'm so used to it at this point that I don't. It doesn't even register to me as something that's happening anymore.

45:53Katya Zamolodchikova:No, it's just because I'm so good.

45:54Irene The Alien:Right. Yeah.

45:55Katya Zamolodchikova:No, but you know, you're on your fucking, your fat ass is on the phone watching Naomi Campbell on Instagram. And you're like, how hard could that be? Oh, walking? Very difficult. Mary, every time me and fucking Trixie do a fucking photo shoot, I swear to God, it's the first time I've ever been in front of a camera. Right. You forgot what your body does. Bam, bam, bam.

46:12Irene The Alien:And I'm like. have you seen the model the Chinese model who does a new pose every second yeah that's me at a photo shoot bitch I'm like let's get me out of this outfit

46:22Katya Zamolodchikova:now I don't know how to do because I have that kind of face where it's like 35 degrees to the left it's beautiful 37 degrees to the left it's disgusting interesting it's hard it's like she's got a mask on right she's got a mask on all she has to do is make sure her eyes are open which is difficult with a lash that size do you know what I mean though like like She's just, there's no expression. She's got a kabuki mask on. I have like a, you know, something else. So, okay. So eliminated first, ultimate humiliation, almost killed yourself.

46:54Irene The Alien:Then I will say I never considered a Sue of Sides. Unaliving yourself.

47:02Katya Zamolodchikova:Do you know, I'm not talking, I'm not exaggerating. I did.

47:06Irene The Alien:I watched the pod about episode two, which is crazy to already be on the ledge on episode two.

47:12Katya Zamolodchikova:the ledge was only four feet four floors

47:14Irene The Alien:they saw the psyche vowel and said second floor

47:17Katya Zamolodchikova:fourth I was on floor four I wouldn't even have broken an ankle yeah no I don't I would not even have broken an ankle

47:23Irene The Alien:sometimes doing bad on Drag Race is a blessing because you get to show what you are good at which is for you lip syncing to an Olivia Newton-John song

47:30Katya Zamolodchikova:well you know what's funny is that I just recently found out she had during the year that I was born physical was number one

47:37Irene The Alien:that is crazy

47:38Katya Zamolodchikova:what year is that? 1982 in May um And then, what else? I Love Rock and Roll was the number one song on the day I was born. Huh. Yeah, Joan Jett. I don't even know what mine was.

47:50Irene The Alien:Control group? Tell your date of birth. 93, July, 93. July what? 6th.

47:56Katya Zamolodchikova:7, 6, 93. It's Every Breath You Take by The Prince. Oh! The stalker song. Yeah.

48:03Irene The Alien:Every shit you take, every orgasm you fake, I'll be watching you.

48:08Katya Zamolodchikova:Every ass you blow, that's where I will go. I'll be watching Always on My Mind Wow there's a theme There's a theme Freaky Is that Always on My Mind Oh that was in Practical Magic That's a creepy song What is your favorite movie? Alien What's your second favorite movie? Alien I was like I wanted to like I wanted to confide with you earlier But of course I was late That I wanted to have a questionnaire Where you just go down every single thing is the most obvious Alien movie. Alien Resurrection. It actually is Alien though. I love that movie. Independence Day. What is your favorite Alien movie? Let's go down.

48:53Katya Zamolodchikova:Alien. The first.

48:54Irene The Alien:The first. The first one is amazing. The second one is good. The rest up to Romulus. They're not trash. They're a hard watch sometimes though.

49:03Katya Zamolodchikova:Well I mean I don't want to tell you Miss Alien but like the cool thing is that in the first mind you don't really even see her until like 45 minutes into the film it's scary it's scary there's a lot of tension well it's a horror movie

49:16Irene The Alien:right yeah and it's body horror and there's sexual non-consent elements to it that are horrifying like you've been impregnated against your will and that is terrifying to me and then the second one is a little

49:32Katya Zamolodchikova:campier and then the third

49:35Irene The Alien:one is a fucking hot ass mess yeah and then the first one is kind of a masterpiece a masterpiece a masterpiece and it's like one of those things

49:43Katya Zamolodchikova:that's that less is more like don't show don't like draw it out but don't make it boring it's like because you really don't get a good payoff until like an hour in or something right and the

49:52Irene The Alien:tension keeps ratcheting up because people are disappearing yeah it's it's a it's a perfect movie it's great i also like 2001 a space odyssey okay that's now that is a slow burn for these

50:02Katya Zamolodchikova:tiktokers at home they're never gonna they wouldn't last a minute they could if they had

50:05Irene The Alien:subway surfer playing beneath it

50:07Katya Zamolodchikova:subway what subway surfer what is that

50:09Irene The Alien:it's like there's tiktoks where they show a clip but half of the screen is the clip and half of the screen is someone playing this game on an app so that there's something to watch when the clip gets slow

50:18Katya Zamolodchikova:that's like fucking twitch totally okay I'm gonna go down a list of movies to tell me if you like or not Mars Attacks it's a good movie it's fine it's fine it's fine in terms of Tim Burton's oeuvre what do you think his best movie is

50:32Irene The Alien:I really like his claymation movies shockingly was that Frank and Weenie? no might be no no that's not him but he did Corpse Bride and Nightmare Before Christmas oh those ones

50:42Katya Zamolodchikova:and honestly

50:43Irene The Alien:I watched Nightmare Before Christmas last year it's a bad movie

50:46Katya Zamolodchikova:oh bad bad movie talk about it beautiful visuals talk about it

50:50Irene The Alien:story so slow pacing abysmal

50:53Katya Zamolodchikova:really

50:54Irene The Alien:really

50:55Katya Zamolodchikova:okay I'm gonna go rewatch it you're gonna sit there and be like why is this a classic oh wow bad movie well he really he dropped off and flopped off hard. Yeah, the Alice in Wonderland's

51:06Irene The Alien:are garbagio.

51:08Katya Zamolodchikova:I recently watched Pee-wee's Big Adventure. Love. Sure. That's a great, great, great... And it's like, you know, it's like an Odyssey movie. My friend keeps trying to get me to watch his documentary. Pee-wee. Yeah, I watched that. Is it amazing? It's pretty good. I wouldn't say it's amazing, but it's pretty good. And the... But man, oh man, what really fucking biffed so hard. Oh, Beetlejuice 2. Oh, Beetlejuice 1 is bad. I'm going to fight you to the death of that Have you watched it recently? I have I'm going to fight you to the death of that Where is Beetlejuice? He takes forever to get there I think you got something wrong with your brain, Mary Yeah, I'm the one here who has something wrong Turn the wig around, Tina Actually, it kind of looks good about that

51:56Irene The Alien:It's very Brooklyn, very Bushwick

51:57Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, is it? I just need like three piercings in my stepson Latte fiercely. But like it takes me 15 minutes. Now it's Venice Beach. Yeah. Venice bitch.

52:06Irene The Alien:Venice bitch.

52:07Katya Zamolodchikova:What do you think about Lana Del Rey?

52:09Irene The Alien:Like her old stuff.

52:12Katya Zamolodchikova:We just high five everybody on the two. We're bros. Okay. Wait, hold on. Let me just. Her first two albums. Okay. Let's. All right. We're going to steer. Let's fuck Tim Burton. Let's talk about Lana. I like how sad she was. Well, wait, back to Tim Burton. Sorry. Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice really made me angry. Angry girl. angry because I the only the only like clever thing about it I thought was in was making Delia a performance artist I thought that that was very clever I haven't seen it so okay well it's girl if they did that that does seem so um Lana Lana we're almost out of time but we're gonna we're gonna go over because I was late um the Lana tell me favorite album when do you what is your appreciation of Lana when did it start has it waned what's it what's the timeline of your line up?

52:58Irene The Alien:Right after I started having sex, which was bottoming in college. Sad because it was always terrible. Singing about men who aren't respectful and have unrequited love. Born to Die.

53:09Katya Zamolodchikova:Born to Die. So first album.

53:11Irene The Alien:First album. When it came out, I was on Tumblr, so I was on the cutting edge.

53:15Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay.

53:16Irene The Alien:Literally. You chopping it up?

53:19Katya Zamolodchikova:Chopping it up! Oh my god. Remembering on the two we're talking about self-harm. Okay. the chop it you chop it up

53:29Irene The Alien:have you not seen that no I've seen it okay it's hysterical

53:32Katya Zamolodchikova:there's this famous clip of Lana greeting fans after a show and one girl clearly has self-harm scars on her on her arms

53:40Irene The Alien:and she's like what are you chopping it up and the fan goes no ma 'am

53:46Katya Zamolodchikova:which is funny my tattoos cover a ton of chopping marks oh how dark

53:50Irene The Alien:oh come on like I said 13 drinking blood my boyfriend has a couple and the first time I saw him, I went, will you stop for me?

53:59Katya Zamolodchikova:Wait, are they on the inner thigh? Oh, that is for me, this is like so, that to me is like a bridge too far.

54:07Irene The Alien:It's okay if you can see them. That's a cry for help. Ouchie. I think there's less sensation there. That is 100 % not true. No? Oh my God, are you kidding me?

54:16Katya Zamolodchikova:Your forearms, you could literally take it. I have tattoos on my forearms.

54:19Irene The Alien:This hurt like a bitch.

54:20Katya Zamolodchikova:No, no, no. I'm talking the top here. Oh, sure. You could hack off my forearm and I wouldn't feel anything. You want to take a little needle to my inner thigh? I'm going to slap you. It's like the top of the thigh. Most people I know do this because it's less visible. They're thinking ahead. I wasn't thinking ahead. I was just like, you were like, please, someone fucking put me in therapy. Okay, so when did it drop off for you with Lana?

54:44Irene The Alien:After Paradise, the next album that came out, I was like, whatever. Ultraviolence? Ultraviolence. I like songs on it. Okay.

54:51Katya Zamolodchikova:Especially West Coast. West Coast. Beautiful song. The way it changes. fabulous song yeah I think I think that I wish she still I don't think she would anymore but what a missed opportunity for her to do an album of covers oh my god oh god because her voice is so much doing time that Sublime cover I think is

55:10Irene The Alien:it is one of the best songs ever recorded she has such a deep voice that she could really do any of these like really like late 80s early 90s moaning guys

55:19Katya Zamolodchikova:or classic rock

55:20Irene The Alien:all classic rock covers what's the Morrissey band The Smiths The Smiths Tom Petty, Eric Clapton.

55:26Katya Zamolodchikova:Imagine if she did Tears in Heaven.

55:28Irene The Alien:What about a Led Zeppelin song?

55:29Katya Zamolodchikova:Absolutely. Or even fucking Leonard Skinner, That Smell. Can't you smell that smell? The smell of death surrounds you. You want to taste that? That shit in your mouth? No, but I'm totally serious. I'm dead serious. If she did The Doors, are you kidding me?

55:48Irene The Alien:Oh, and she already is Van Morrison in woman form. People are strange.

55:53Katya Zamolodchikova:Like she would, she would just like bust open the door to a whole new appreciation.

55:58Irene The Alien:Hopefully she takes this.

55:59Katya Zamolodchikova:Of course she. Oh yeah. No, she's listening. I know she's listening to the seventies classic rock.

56:03Irene The Alien:Yeah.

56:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Down. She's got the alligator boyfriend or whatever.

56:06Irene The Alien:Oh my God. What a freakazoid. No, but I'm, she would. Oh my God. Would you ever marry a not famous person?

56:12Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean, it's the only kind of person I would ever marry. Oh, you'd never fuck a famous person?

56:16Irene The Alien:No, I would fuck a famous person, but I would never marry one. You don't be in a relationship with someone who understands what you're going through? No.

56:22Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh really? No. I would never marry an actor. You have to be the star. No, no, no. I have to be the one on camera. Yeah. You cannot have two people who are both in front of the camera.

56:32Irene The Alien:What are you talking about? That's like how most Hollywood relationships are.

56:35Katya Zamolodchikova:And that's how most Hollywood relationships. Sure. I would say like you can marry a grip, a producer, a... A best boy. Yeah. That turns into a best man. You know? It's the title of the person. No, but like, I mean, just think about it. like two stars. Powerhouse. No. Especially gay, two of the same gender. Fuck off. I mean,

57:00Irene The Alien:like Lydia and Corey Kane.

57:01Katya Zamolodchikova:Who the fuck is that? Are you, they're sister dicking?

57:07Irene The Alien:They're in a very public relationship and they vlog together in drag. See, there you go. TikTok, Clarice, TikTok. And they're, they're, they're greater than the sum of their parts. You know what I mean? Kind of like you and Trixie. Where it's like, I think I'm gonna throw up. You've created something that is greater than the sum of your parts. you know what that means let's get back to lana okay whatever i don't i came on this podcast to talk about me grab your cards about questions you know what let's do it we're gonna do a rapid fire

57:33Katya Zamolodchikova:we're gonna do rapid fire okay if not alien what profession would irene be the cashier the

57:38Irene The Alien:proctologist i was gonna say proctologist the proctologist that does not exist by the way i'd

57:42Katya Zamolodchikova:be digging up in your ass there's a fake profession really yes when have you or uh what's the ob-gyn that's a what's the OBGYN that's a gynecologist yeah gynecologist I'd be a gynecologist what's the OBGYN what were your initial thoughts of the tournament twist on All Stars

57:56Irene The Alien:loved it that means I didn't have to worry about getting eliminated and not being on episodes again because I already did that and I didn't need to do that again there you go

58:02Katya Zamolodchikova:do you think we should bring back mall drag like season 2 Jujubee drag

58:05Irene The Alien:yeah there's a drag queen who is bringing back mall drag and she has a show called mall drag and I want to shout her out her name is Miss Mamshi you would love her Miss Mamshi Miss Mamshi Miss Mamshi she's in Brooklyn, New York she has a show called mall drag that she tours with. So if it comes to your city, go see it.

58:19Katya Zamolodchikova:You will be, you'll be wowed with her camisoles and slacks and jumpsuits. Fabulous. little, like this hair. We need a, we need, we do need a reset because this is like, it's too much. I mean, I was, I was talking with somebody about going back on some kind of all-stars thing and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? I would get that list and I would just kill myself. I mean, I don't, well, no one's going to the Katya show to see what you wear. I mean, that's like, I know that's a joke, but it's also kind of like it's not a joke no I know but like you have to like sparkle Neely sparkle like you gotta make an effort because you have to like there's a big responsibility whether you like take yourself seriously or not if you're gonna go on the show you have to like bring it and I couldn't even I couldn't bring one thing do you know what I mean like I just you have nice drag no I don't but it's too it's I have one pair of nice shoes that took me three weeks to rhinestone that's all I have do you know what I mean like it's not it's not it's not the vibe what made you do the move from Texas to Seattle Texas sucks ass really yeah all cities what about Dallas it's the worst one oh no I went to college in Dallas Texas baby 213 I went to college in Dallas it's 214 214 oh you're right 214 witness homo verica badu alright when did you find out you could juggle and can you please do it now we don't have time how does it feel to be the first queen in drag race her street to quote Sun Tzu on the show did you quote the art of war on the show fierce

59:42Irene The Alien:yeah what did you say When your opponent is at their weakest, that's when you strike.

59:46Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh my God, it's so fierce. Yes. I may touch you the five-point palm exploding heart technique. Okay, Bosco tweeted that lip syncing to Pocketbook featuring Ludacris by Jennifer Hudson was a humiliation ritual. Does that also resonate with you?

1:00:03Irene The Alien:No, because I'm from Houston. Okay. Houston, I don't love her. No one loves her.

1:00:08Katya Zamolodchikova:She's too big. It's car dependent. It's just - Nothing like LA. okay that's fair I just clucked you fiercely sister that's fair that's fair everybody on the 402 we're fighting do you still put people's phones in your mouth when you perform I don't think I ever oh yeah no I do yeah like a how do you like are we talking Nokia like 2001 Nokias or like iPhones

1:00:30Irene The Alien:if someone's recording me

1:00:31Katya Zamolodchikova:and they're like iPhone Pro Max 16 I'm like Jesus Christ well you know who put fucking people's feet in her mouth Nina West yeah I didn't say it what's your Taco Bell order

1:00:43Irene The Alien:number seven quesadilla with a taco and a drink do you like cheese do I like cheese oh baby you better believe my shits are slow what

1:00:52Katya Zamolodchikova:what does that mean when you eat cheese it slows your shit okay that's why I blast okay gotta blast what gives you in this day and age in these troubling times what gives you full body chills full body chills

1:01:06Irene The Alien:seeing oh god I have a sincere answer is that okay no we'll move on

1:01:10Katya Zamolodchikova:What's something that makes you say, work it, Hunty, diva boots?

1:01:18Katya Zamolodchikova:Aja performing. Okay, okay, fierce. You lost lip syncs to trans women. What does it feel like to be the ultimate ally?

1:01:25Irene The Alien:It's my responsibility as a cisgendered, male-presenting, he-him-pronoun-having person in this day and age.

1:01:33Katya Zamolodchikova:As a shit-sucking, boot-licking, piece of trash motherfucker. A crossy. Yeah. yes okay that's it actually let's go I would like to hear your sincerance I think everybody else would what is something that gives you full body chills

1:01:44Irene The Alien:it's just seeing how this administration's policies are affecting the mental health of the trans people in my life for the better

1:01:53Katya Zamolodchikova:right how they're I mean their help it's when the government finally helps people it's really inspiring it's horrible so you're thinking chills like ooh that's horrible it's freaking me out I was thinking chills

1:02:07Irene The Alien:Oh good, what gives me good full body chills A twink with a fat ass

1:02:11Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay, another rapid fire Quick, quick, quick rapid fire What is What is the sound that you love? Ugh What is the sound that you hate? Styrofoam Ugh What is your favorite curse word? Cunt Cunt If heaven exists it doesn't no shut up if heaven exists when you die what would you like God to say to you as you arrive at the pearly gates you did your best okay all right Irene the motherfucking alien everybody give it up for Irene Ney Dubois the alien thank you for having me Katja this was such a fun time thanks for being here and once again I'm sorry that I'm late but you see how tan I am I couldn't help it

1:02:59Irene The Alien:it was worth it honestly thank you yeah we had to take the time to install the hair I mean that's your natural hair going out of your head

1:03:06Katya Zamolodchikova:it's somebody's natural hair

1:03:07Irene The Alien:should we finish the pod by scalping ourselves oh sure ready one two three thank you

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Irene The Alien travels across the cold infinities of space for a brief descent to converse with the singular earthling amongst earthlings: Katya. They discuss, with the tranquil gravity of deep space, the paradox of her early ejection from the Drag Race mothership, the chromatic splendor of dresses that gleam like auroras on a methane sea, and RuPaul’s rapt delight in immense mortal metamorphoses. Together they plot the firmament of cinema itself, ranking films as one might classify galaxies. Some are mere errant asteroids, whilst others are colossal nebulae of artistry. Enjoy this communiqué as a meditation on both glamour and exile, drifting endlessly through the black and star-strewn silence of space.

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