RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 Ep 1: "Origins" with Trixie and Katya

9:41Katya Zamolodchikova:No. Where were you when you got the call? The first call for the psych evaluation.

9:46Trixie Mattel:Okay, so when you audition for Drag Race, I don't know what your process was, but mine was to before my number, peek out the curtain, hand someone my Sony Handycam and someone who seemed less drunk and saying, can you just film this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's already recording. So all my clips for Drag Race were like some drunk person I don't know, like swaying. Blurry out of focus. Obviously looking incredible in this bar footage from 2013. So I auditioned because I had got fired from the Mac counter and had all this free time. and I got the call when I was in beauty school. I got a call from my LA number because you get the email first.

10:20Katya Zamolodchikova:Yes.

10:21Trixie Mattel:And the call, whatever. I got the email and was like, oh, the call. And I was like, hello. And they were like, it's casting for RuPaul's Drag Race. And they basically say, you're moving ahead, but we need more information. And then I think I did a psychological evaluation.

10:34Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Mine was a little bit different. Maybe I remember it wrong. No, I know. But I also remember you sharing years ago that you got carjacked, but that's another story for another day. The week before. Yeah. fucking crazy. I, um, so I had, how many times had you auditioned was the first time? Um, I did an audition the two years prior, but I mean, this was the first year I really read the thing,

10:59Trixie Mattel:did everything they asked for, put a lot of time into it. Yeah. Okay. Effort. I auditioned once in college. Okay.

11:04Katya Zamolodchikova:I did. I think I'm pretty sure this was my fifth time or fourth time at least four and my audition for season six was very very good i wish i had it i don't know if i have it but it was i thought it was great and i thought at the time i was like if they don't want me they don't want me because this is the as good as it's gonna get right um which isn't great at the time no it was not great at the time but for me it was good right um and my oh god do

11:31Trixie Mattel:you finish that tape and you were like salt bae you were like i was like no i should have been like snooki like this is so bad girl but for real we didn't have iphones to film audits larry

11:43Katya Zamolodchikova:it was i had the previous year before my good audition i filmed one upon rewatch i was like are you on heroin it was so low energy because it was just me you have to have somebody do it like i had my friend avi filmed the the other one because it's like hey like hey wake up you got to be like Like, like pick up the pace or whatever. You have to be directed. So I got a call from them. They were like, hey, are you going to audition this year? What? Yeah. And I was like, I was like, oh, I mean, what? What? Like, do you?

12:20Trixie Mattel:You're like, so you guys want me?

12:22Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. No, honestly, I tried. I said that in the most like actually humble way. I was like, what are you trying to say? She was so good.

12:28Trixie Mattel:She was so good.

12:29Katya Zamolodchikova:Are you going to audition for what? She was like.

12:31Trixie Mattel:Also, can't you just rewatch the tape from last year? No. You know what the T is. No. That was so annoying.

12:36Katya Zamolodchikova:Because it's so hard making that video. You guys, if you - I'm screaming.

12:40Trixie Mattel:If you Google, I'm sure you can find an audition process. I think it's worse now. Before it was like 15 runway looks, two characters, two footage of you lip syncing. And then the song, her song, and it's RuPaul's song.

12:56Katya Zamolodchikova:And you had to answer all these questions about your personal life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. and then halfway through the process of as they're whittling it down mary i live in boston i don't have a car i don't even know if i had a license yeah i did have a license but fena had to drive me to connecticut to go to the psychiatrist's office to fill out a 500 question mbti and the mass whatever inventory personality inventory that determines whether or not you're a psychopath it was the fact that you passed it i knew mom i knew how to work this system it was like it was the questions were multiple choice and they were like, okay, do you love apples?

13:32Katya Zamolodchikova:Love to set people on fire.

13:33Trixie Mattel:That's okay. You and I remember this a little differently because I found that test very tricky because the questions would be like, the questions would be like, I believe in myself and you'd have to do strongly agree to strongly disagree. And like, it'd be like, I believe in myself. You know, I believe that everyone generally looks out for each other. Sometimes at night, my soul leaves my body.

13:55Katya Zamolodchikova:If you didn't pay attention, they put these crazy ones. I know.

13:58Trixie Mattel:And then it'd be like, I love lemons. God is out to punish me. Like they sneak them in there. Lemons are Nazis. Yeah.

14:05Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean, it's like, it's really crazy.

14:07Trixie Mattel:It's crazy. That's how some. 500 questions. Yes. And I don't want to talk about it, but if you Google why networks do that, there was certain instances with television programs with people coming home and harming themselves and others. Oh, wow. So that's what it's about. It's about protecting the cast.

14:21Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean I'm not sure how they I'm not sure what that does that an ironclad NDA and waiver can't do but whatever

14:29Trixie Mattel:Mary the craziest person I can think of is the president

14:31Katya Zamolodchikova:thank you so anything is if you're crazy

14:34Trixie Mattel:you guys out there who's absolutely crazy anything is possible it's all open for you girl you can either be on Drag Race or the president of the United States but apparently not be on Drag Race and by the way you can't be on reality TV but you can be on the president girl and in a room with people like in a room with the people on season seven who's the sane one nobody this cast is jayden girl jayden the emotional rock of the group wiping the tears through the glasses girl so okay i i remember i auditioned where were you okay i was at beauty school and i remember i was at beauty school and i got the real call and then when i finally had a facetime i don't know if they happened to you but they they facetimed me and recorded it to tell me i made it yeah if you look up the footage i'm in my garden level basement apartment in a blue sweater and they say well we just wanted to talk to you because you're gonna be on season seven of rupaul's drag race and i started crying oh my gosh because i care too much and i'm you know i'm like yeah yeah yeah and i remember this is so corny i ran screamed down the hallway to my roommate reed i did it i did it and we hugged and jumped up and down and then i ran out the front door of my apartment and ran down the street smiling like a movie.

15:44Trixie Mattel:I was so happy. Like La La Land. Yes, I was so happy. And I called my mom and my mom cried. I was so happy. And then about 15 minutes went by and the gravity of what is happening.

15:58Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah.

15:58Trixie Mattel:Because. Mama, that list. The packing. Two weeks before I was supposed to be on Drag Race, maybe three weeks. Oh, the next day I went to beauty school, clean up my locker and left.

16:07Katya Zamolodchikova:Gag.

16:08Trixie Mattel:Because I was like, I got to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I kept serving tables at rock bottom. so I don't know why well that's smart though I kept my job serving till halfway through the season I think

16:16Katya Zamolodchikova:smart smart smart

16:18Trixie Mattel:I would be working at the salon working front desk and people would be like are you on Drag Race I'd be like yeah hold on a second hello Scott Free Salon yeah cut in color of course yeah

16:27Katya Zamolodchikova:Judith can see you on a Sunday yes I mean I when she gave me that that phone call I was like oh I think this is a good this is good something something about that so I rushed and did a video It's not as good as last year, but I was like, I think it's just a formality at this point. It was. And that was the assumption. And it was. And it was like, because I think they said, she said, we loved your video last time. Right. But you just didn't fit in. Which is true. And I did not. I mean, I would have been chopped third on season six.

17:00Trixie Mattel:What I can appreciate now and watching it is they, obviously it's about talent and all that, but they have to cast people also based on who's already been cast. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It has to be diverse. It has to be different personalities. It has to be.

17:14Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. It's a puzzle. Then they have to try to put the pieces together. And sometimes those, it doesn't work. Sometimes it does. I think on season six, it worked tremendously. But like, and then, yeah, the same thing. I was seated at my desktop computer when the Skype thing happened. And I was like, it was so glitchy and like laggy. And then I was like, using your neighbor's internet. Stealing. I slip in gases. Girl. I slip in gas too.

17:40Trixie Mattel:and what you didn't even have a computer it was a spiral notebook opened and you were just talking

17:44Katya Zamolodchikova:to yourself next to an antenna i was like grabbing the antenna and with a paper um with a tinfoil wrapped around it connected to the head and i was like i was like are you serious i was like oh um i ran down the street too but it was just go get cigarettes

18:01Trixie Mattel:and i i actually told everybody i knew i did something unprecedented which is not tell everyone

18:05Katya Zamolodchikova:I told every single person. They said, don't you dare tell anyone. I told 16 people right away.

18:11Trixie Mattel:They told me we've pulled people from the show because they've told too many people before they get here.

18:14Katya Zamolodchikova:So I believe that. Yeah. No, I'm joking. I didn't tell. I didn't tell. I only told maybe three. I told my parents right away. And then I had to tell the show director because I was like, you know, and I had to tell my boss. Yeah. But a lot of people didn't know. And a lot of people didn't even know about me in Boston. I was not anybody. Can I tell you?

18:34Trixie Mattel:I believe that. However, I had Saphir on the YouTube channel. Look out for it. Or it already aired. I don't know. And I said, what was it like to work with Kati in Boston? And she said, well, she had a very strong local following, which is what I had. I wasn't booked in boots. But when I had something, a small cult showed up.

18:52Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like that. But over the course of seven years. Right. It took that long. And it was a once a month show that I recall so fondly. Saphir said that was the show where you got your rent paid. Mama, it was country. She said that. And also, that was a show where you got your confidence back. Because after it gets chipped away on the weekends, every weekend a little bit of degradation, humiliation on the Bachelorettes. Yeah. Every first Monday, it's renewed. Right. And you're like, oh, I want to do drag because this is fierce. Right. But yeah, without that Monday show, Mama, I would have tried to do like law school or something.

19:24Katya Zamolodchikova:Pet detective. I don't know. Anything. Pet detective. Like anything other than drag.

19:32Trixie Mattel:I believe you could be someone's pet. Yeah.

19:40Katya Zamolodchikova:When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy. I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial.

20:22Katya Zamolodchikova:Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks. All with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives, and if I'm traveling with friends, even better.

20:56Katya Zamolodchikova:We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb. When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy.

21:41Katya Zamolodchikova:I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to sleeping bear dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial. Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks.

22:15Katya Zamolodchikova:All with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives, and if I'm traveling with friends, even better. We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse.

22:51Katya Zamolodchikova:However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb. When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy. I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak.

23:29Katya Zamolodchikova:After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial. Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks. All with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives.

24:09Katya Zamolodchikova:And if I'm traveling with friends, even better. We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb.

24:33Trixie Mattel:Mama the packing. Okay, so the packing for Drag Race was, can I tell you, I'm just going to tell you guys, I spent under$500 on my Drag Race package and that was the most money I could get. I was borrowing money. I was asking gays who are older than me, like I need a gown for something. it's like my bearded runway is a$120 gown from Amazon like I didn't even know people with nice drag so imagine my surprise when we get there and Miss Fame exists Violet exists and I was like oh Jasmine Masters jewelry exists I'm like oh you guys actually have shoes and have jewelry remember Jasmine had shoes and jewelry for days Everything.

25:21Trixie Mattel:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember Ginger had dinner plate rings, rings bigger than her hand?

25:24Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Fame had micro-sealed, vacuum-packed, hair-netted, shrink-wrapped. Custom hairline wigs. Swiss lace, like brand new. In packaged in a way that was, I guess I could consider surgical. Surgical, like a Pope's organ transplant.

25:43Trixie Mattel:Like that's the level of care. A hundred percent. And we'll get to it, but I actually think I probably had less drag and less money than most people there. I mean, I had nothing.

25:55Katya Zamolodchikova:I could probably go toe-to-toe with you on that because I had to borrow stuff. I had to – the Shakespeare – it's not horrible, but that Shakespeare dress, I had to borrow from Ryan Landry's husband, Scott, just flat out. I was like, can I just please? I just need something. Please, please, please. I had nothing Victorian or Elizabethan or anything like that. I had to carry on my Abraham Lincoln top hat on the plane, which was so humiliating because the woman next to me said, are you a magician? It was so humiliating. You said, honey, I'm about to pull a rabbit out of a hat, honey. I just shoved a nuke up my pussy.

26:33Katya Zamolodchikova:So it was. And then I did all the wrong things. I did all the wrong things. Tell me. Tell me why. Tell me why I spent hours and hours. Sorry. hours stoning nails in stoning shitty cat suits no one's gonna see stones nobody sees stones on television

26:50Trixie Mattel:unless they're big unless they're really big plastic stones even then so I would like to get into the so that's us auditioning five suitcases at the time you got five suitcases

27:02Katya Zamolodchikova:50 pounds each and they reimbursed you when you got there but it was fierce Virgin, Virgin, Flew Virgin, $150 for those five suitcases. Mama. On the way back, while my checking account is overdrawn. Because we've all left our jobs. We've been gone for a month and a half. Nothing. I had to beg them mid-season to let, to like do a transfer at the bank because I was going in the red, overdrawn every day. $535 for luggage on Delta. I couldn't pay it. I could not pay it. I had to borrow cash.

27:40Trixie Mattel:I don't know how we did it. My friend gave me cash in an envelope to pay for the bags to get there. I mean, I did not have, I had less than a hundred dollars in my bank account when I went to Drag Race. Nothing. Zero. Yeah.

27:50Katya Zamolodchikova:I cleaned myself out and also stole a lot from my store.

27:53Trixie Mattel:And I have to also give a shout out to my friends in Milwaukee. My friend Dan at the time. My friend Raymond. My friend Reed. Yeah. My apartment moved while I was at Drag Race. Oh, wow. And my friends all got together. And even though I didn't talk about it, everyone knew where I was. they all got together and moved me. So when I got back, I was already moved.

28:10Katya Zamolodchikova:That's the cuntiest thing ever.

28:12Trixie Mattel:Like shout out to Reed, Reed LePage, into organizing that.

28:15Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean, that is so wild.

28:16Trixie Mattel:Princess behavior. But that's how gay people in your early 20s, if you all share one drag queen friend, she is baby. A little bit. She's baby. It's like, oh, mama's at drag. Like we all, let's have a moving party on behalf of our friend who's so, you know, transsexual that they can't even bother to move their own shit. You know what I mean? like transexuality. So we get, mind you, never been to Los Angeles, never left Wisconsin, really. Never been to California. Fly. We get there. I got a special voice message from a certain person from Drag Race to open the season as a surprise for you. Can we play it?

28:55Trixie Mattel:No way. I worked my connections. Is it RuPaul? I would die.

28:58Katya Zamolodchikova:It's not RuPaul. Trixie and Cati, it's your mother, Michelle. season seven was amazing i don't give a poop what the haters gonna say because the haters gonna hate season seven was iconic obviously violet hated me that was iconic she loves me now i'm pretty sure um you had miss fame you had max and max's gorgeous silver hair which i get a lot of flack for for pushing her out of her comfort zone and making her try something else just for once and what happened and then of course the shakes queer challenge and um then there was ginger minge and eggs then there was the tan mom tan mom i have a lot of great memories about season seven and i loved it and i love you and i'm so proud of everything that you kids have accomplished the reign of terror that you've just deployed out into the world the kids love you and rightfully so but not as much as i do oh that was audra mcdonald that's sweet i'm just kidding

30:11Trixie Mattel:that was so great i got close to michelle during queen of the universe you know because judging with her is obviously a completely different experience than being judged by her yeah yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she told me when I did that because I never, you know, when we get to Drag Race, I don't really understand. It's weird because so many of us audition, but then when we get there and receive critique, we kind of don't expect it. We're flummoxed. It's like, girl, you sign up to be critiqued. Right.

30:39Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. But also, I think the big fish out of water, the shell shock, is that there's no media training. You get thrown into a fishbowl that you think is freshwater. It was actually saline with blood in it.

30:53Trixie Mattel:Do you remember who did our media training? No.

30:56Katya Zamolodchikova:Jacob Slane. Oh my God, you're right. Yes! What a primer. But like, but so when you get there, this is, so you arrive in LA, but we didn't go to the studio. No, no. We go to another studio, fresh off the plane. Oh wait, this wasn't even aired. And you walk into a room and who walks in with a 10 gallon hat? Raymond. Raymond walks in.

31:25Trixie Mattel:RuPaul walks in and you're like, oh. So they, yeah, but we got off the plane. They take you to the studio and go, you're going to walk in. There's going to be someone in there. And you go, okay, great. You walk in and it's RuPaul. RuPaul.

31:35Katya Zamolodchikova:And a giant cowboy sits right next to you.

31:37Trixie Mattel:Sits right next to you and asks you questions about your life. But can I be honest? I was impressed by how much she knew. She knew specific details from my audition video. Yeah, me too. She knew where I was from. Yeah.

31:48Katya Zamolodchikova:And I felt, even though I was terrified, it actually made me feel very seen. Oh, my God. But we had, so then we had to sing a fucking song in a recording studio. I've never been in a recording studio. I've never sung in my life. Right. And at one point, she's like, come on, white boy, find the rhythm. And I'm doing the theme to drag you. He said, this has nothing about me being white.

32:09Trixie Mattel:I'm dead.

32:16Trixie Mattel:you said wait wait wait maybe you still had your earplugs in from the plane

32:21Katya Zamolodchikova:you said what my ears haven't popped yet i can't do it girl oh my god but i drag you which i thought was a like an ominous portent of my like oh the canceled show you want me to do the canceled show okay fierce in a russian accent it was so stupid it was so weird and it was such a bizarre like introduction to that.

32:42Trixie Mattel:It's kind of like a, nobody ever saw this. My nightmare is that I would be high and something like that would happen to me. I would never recover. The only thing that got me through that was like Kegels and like thinking about something else. Like I bet RuPaul was talking to me and it was like, like I was just kind of like, I can remember her in the booth

32:59Katya Zamolodchikova:would be saying, it's a miracle. Like she was, actually her voice was incredible. And then it got hot in the studio and then I started sweating. It was just like, oh my, it was a nightmare.

33:09Trixie Mattel:Well, I got Geronimo. And I remember RuPaul was like, well, I know that you have Native American heritage. So we gave you Geronimo.

33:17Katya Zamolodchikova:With this feather headdress on.

33:19Trixie Mattel:Well, no, I said like, in my mind, I go, okay, Geronimo was a Native American war hero whose wife and children were slaughtered in front of him. Now make your booty down. It was like, I didn't know what to say. But I felt like, well, at least he knew that about me. So let's go for it. Oh, God. It was wild. We have to skip ahead to So then So entrances I'm watching this I haven't seen this in 10 years Before we get started Because I know we're already 30 minutes into this The way I watched this show I thought I'll just put it on one episode I haven't seen it so long The feeling I feel watching it I have both hands on the wall On the other end of the room with the TV I have my mouth snatched open My eyes are rolled back It's very Bird Box I'm like, I'm evil dead.

34:09Trixie Mattel:The girl coming out of the water. Something about watching this is so creepy. Full body chills. Honestly, it's so cringe. Full body chills. It's so weird. And there's nothing wrong with this season, but being in it ruins it. I'll watch season six or eight and have a great time. But watching us, I'm like, ooh.

34:27Katya Zamolodchikova:Or like a current season. I mean, when I watched Bosco's, well, not Bosco's Drag Race. When I watched Drag Race with Bosco on it, I'm like, fierce. Yeah, work, whatever. This is not that. But I think, you know what I think it is? And this is more of an overarching kind of analysis. I think this is the season of realness. And I think that you only succeeded in this season if you were real. It wasn't about characters. It wasn't about personas. It was about being real. It was the realness. Yes. And that was the promo. Yeah, that was kind of the promo. That was the setup. Because season six was very character driven and very artifice in persona.

35:04Katya Zamolodchikova:because those people were like polished and very had a point of view. Really good. Like Courtney and Bianca, fucking incredible. Yeah. Nobody like that here. Nobody like Bianca.

35:16Trixie Mattel:No, it was really weird. So I remember waking up at 530 in the morning to get in drag for this. First day of drag race, 5 a.m. maybe. 430.

35:25Katya Zamolodchikova:I remember shaving. I remember the feeling of it. Yes. I remember not having any drugs. I had no drugs.

35:31Trixie Mattel:I remember being in the hotel and thinking, not only do I have to be in drag, but they're going to bring all my suitcases to set with me.

35:37Katya Zamolodchikova:Wait, wait.

35:38Trixie Mattel:Also, do you remember when they, what do you call that? They metal detect us to make sure we have, we're staying at the Beverly Garland Hotel. Yeah. They take away your phone, everything that's electronic. It's very Amish coded. No computers, no Walkman. No Walkmans. What is this, 1972? Take away your record player. They took away your - My gramophone. Oh my God. They took away my Laserdisc player, everything. thing my hit clips my fat back tv so yeah and something you guys have to remember about drag race is unless you're on camera you spend all of your time in silence yes or locked in a hotel locked in a hotel room no phone no phone no computer and i'm not a tv person i'm really not

36:18Katya Zamolodchikova:especially at that point i'm like a movie watcher or like i don't i don't watch anything with commercials like and so i'm not the type of person who could just veg out in front of the tv set and like just zone out through a commercial. I had a very hard time. Yeah. Very hard time. Bored. I've never been bored in my life. Very boring. Very boring. But that was tough. Yeah. Yeah. And walking in, I had to hold forever. You probably had to hold longer than me before you walked out onto the entry.

36:48Trixie Mattel:Held it forever. I have such a distinct memory of standing and I'm not kidding. A$4 dress, a skirt over my shoulders as a cape. It's a white skirt from H &M. A camera I spray painted gold. That bang piece that isn't a bang. It's a Portuguese roll. A cheap sun hat and the only pair of shoes I own, which is a pair of white pumps. That would get considerable screen time over the course of the season. And I remember standing and they give you a full-length mirror. And I remember the PA being like, just have fun. You're going to be great. And I remember standing in my, your first time you're in a soundstage.

37:23Trixie Mattel:So it's all padded walls. And you see the fake walls. And I don't know if you're me. You realize it's not even a real room. That's how new to TV I was. I didn't even understand that there was a soundstage with a fake workroom in it. I didn't even understand that. No, me neither. So I hear everyone chattering. And my first thought is, I've only had this thought a few times. If I start running right now, can I get out of this somehow? My first thought was, I have lied to everyone here and they're going to find me out.

37:51Katya Zamolodchikova:I have full body chills. I literally, it's not quite the same, but it's almost exactly the same. and said, I made a huge mistake. I made a mistake and they're going to get me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, this is not where I'm supposed to be. I'm not going to succeed at this. I'm a liar. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm not this type of person. I'm not this, like I'm something else. This is not like, it was, and it wasn't imposter syndrome. It was just like, it was just fear. Fear.

38:13Trixie Mattel:It was pure fear. Heart racing. And then mind you, when you walk in the workroom, you've never seen it. And they say something abstract to you. Like there's two tables, walk up to the second table.

38:23Katya Zamolodchikova:And see 10 seconds.

38:24Trixie Mattel:And they said it's longer than you think. Yes. So say your line and then model or whatever for like a full 10 seconds.

38:31Katya Zamolodchikova:10 seconds is a really long time when you have a table full of whores to your left that you can't even fucking see yet.

38:37Trixie Mattel:Not to mention your idea is, okay, there's going to be mirrors. There's going to be other drag queens. There's going to be tables. You don't even think about cameramen. Nope. You walk in and there's, I'm not kidding. Five. Five, six giant cameras on giant tripods with people in all black like this. Yeah. And I walk in and all I can feel is the studio lights you never see and the cameras I've never seen. The whole workroom is like, who cares? All I can feel is the lights and the cameras. And I think I said, well, you came in before me, but I said, this isn't Maury Povich. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I thought somebody as white trash as me would probably only get on television through some kind of family trauma playing out in a talk show.

39:18Trixie Mattel:Hey, I'm Ike Barinholtz. On my new show, Funny You Ask, trivia starts the conversation. and then things immediately go off the rails. I ask a question. My guests think they know the answer. Sometimes they do. More often, they do not. And then the conversation takes a turn. One trivia question turns into stories about career highs, painful bombs, and behind-the-scenes moments that probably should have remained private. You'll hear confidence, misplaced confidence, bold guesses, wrong answers, quick laughs, and the slow realization that maybe this was a bad idea to say out loud. If you like smart comedy, sharp conversations, and trivia that exists purely to melt people's brains, this is Funny You Ask with me, Ike Barinholtz.

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41:10Trixie Mattel:Each week, we're breaking down celebrity drama, viral trends, and Hollywood's most talked about moments.

41:16Katya Zamolodchikova:Plus, in our Gossip on the Go segment, we will sit down with your favorite influencers and reality stars over their go-to meals. Because the best stories, they always come with extra sauce. We're bringing you the debates, the drama, and the nostalgia you really care about.

41:31Trixie Mattel:It's more than a podcast, it's a pop culture community. This is Poppity.

41:40Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, so I cringe when I hear my incorrect Russian line. Do you have a clip of it? It's horrible. What does it mean? That means let's go season seven or come on season seven. It's not correct. You could have been having a medical event. It just doesn't work. Anyways. The vice is on. Oh, this is so bad. It's so bad. Oh, I can't even listen. My name is Ekaterina Petrovna-Zamolchkova, but you can call me Katya. I'm on X-Dance. And I'm just your average run-of-the-mill Russian bisexual transvestite hooker. I actually think it's very charming. Is this the Shulin Barmitzva? It's fine. I have an opinion.

42:24Katya Zamolodchikova:Violet had the absolute hands-down worst entrance out of everybody in Drag Race history. And Ginger had the best one.

42:31Trixie Mattel:I re-watched Violet's like three times.

42:32Katya Zamolodchikova:It's so unsh... What is it? It's so wobbly, unsure of herself. And she's like, who is it? It's like she didn't know they were running audio. She goes like this. Who is it? Ooh, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. That literally is it. It was like, she's like, oh, who is it? Ooh, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. It's creeped out. It's creeped. It's creepy. And it was so bad. It was horrible. It was horrible.

42:57Trixie Mattel:Do you know what else I remember about this? Obviously, she looked pretty great. She looked okay. She was missing one violet contact. Oh, no way. So she had one brown eye. And I remember going, I can see your brown eye. Buy me dinner first. And she was like, I didn't care. I think, and I don't care making fun of Violet because she did send us this voice clip. Okay. I got Violet to send us a voice clip. You did not. Yes, I did. Oh my God. Violet responds to a certain amount of just reach out in person. I text her being like, can you send us a voice clip? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is Violet. I asked her to talk about season seven as a whole.

43:23Trixie Mattel:Obviously we all know she wins. Yes. And she deserves it. Sure.

43:27Katya Zamolodchikova:Let me tell you one thing about season seven. You two bitches did not stand a chance. The only ones that really stood a chance, in my opinion, was Miss Fame. When she walked in, we all gagged. And Max. Max was a front runner in the competition. People do not remember this. And it was a weird fucking season. And I wasn't supposed to win. But I did because it was undeniable And all you other bitches sucked And can kick rocks Put that on your little podcast

44:09Trixie Mattel:Put that on your little podcast she just said

44:11Katya Zamolodchikova:Well I mean the more things change The more things stay the same She's still a cunt

44:16Trixie Mattel:You know what though Violet shows kindness in very Unconventional ways The fact that she took time to send us a no I don't know if she would do that for a lot of people And Violet we do love you And watching it I texted her being like you are amazing. She did that. She did that, girl. She did all of that. We're going to get to her runway, but once she produced this episode, I'm like, you're the best thing here. Yeah.

44:38Katya Zamolodchikova:But Ginger's, it wasn't her entry line, but it was her opening soundbite, which I adore. Ginger, I'm an overweight, asthmatic, chain-smoking cross-dresser from Orlando, Florida. That is perfect. Which, by the way, doesn't narrow you down in Florida. That could be so many people. That is a person who knows herself. You know what I mean? She knows exactly who she is. It was very like it was the opposite of Violet in my opinion because she was very seasoned. She was like she's a workhorse. Can I say

45:06Trixie Mattel:I love that line. I look ugly and watching Ginger I thought this is 10 years old and her face looks great. She looks fucking pretty.

45:16Katya Zamolodchikova:She's got some she's got some because I mean it's no secret that the whole season I thought she was going to win. Ginger? Yeah. Yeah. Like 100%. It was not if I could bet my whole

45:24Trixie Mattel:whatever. I thought she was going to win too for most of it. And you know what? I remember calling, we'll get to it later. But I remember calling Violet during the Hello Kitty ball. I called it after I saw the episode. I said, you're going to win. That was amazing. Really? It was a complete turning point for me. I was like, she's going to win. That was great. I wrote down some notes when I watched it. Mind you, I watched it absurdly high. Miss Fame. Okay, let me tell you.

45:46Katya Zamolodchikova:Before we got on, there was one, I was on Reddit. And there was one queen I was terrified of getting on. I was like, please God, don't let Miss Fame get on. Please God, don't let Miss Fame get on. You were threatened by me. No, I wasn't. it was miss me but watching it back boo-boo girl she looks so boo-boo that tape that paint is not crafty it's giving tape on the face expert makeup artist and that face was not it in the walk that was like like greeting greetings

46:16Trixie Mattel:earth queens i come in peace it's like she it was so awkward she i i i watched up to seasons episode six already. Her character develops in a very endearing way, but I forgot that at the beginning of the season, she's the ice queen.

46:30Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, no, no, no. She's insufferable. You know, and honestly...

46:34Trixie Mattel:Violet was the ice queen. She was the motormouth Maybel. If you ask me now about Miss Fame, I will tell you that she is extremely nice. Oh, my God. She's chatty and delusional, but she would give you the shirt off her back. She's a lovely... She's so fucking nice. She's an angel. She is. She is an angel. I wrote Violet's entrance line I just also wrote Max Max has not posted a picture in drag since 2018 I researched it Max looks amazing I think Max is ahead of her time I said Max gorgeous

47:10Katya Zamolodchikova:would have slayed season 10 on most flawless face on Drag Race Max looks perfect not a poor

47:18Trixie Mattel:I love the entrance with the paper Max is from Hudson, Wisconsin They don't talk like that there So I don't know about that She's from Kensington She's from rural Wisconsin

47:31Katya Zamolodchikova:Like me and I'm like hey Drake But see I think to my Like I think just for my Strength in my thesis is that she Because of the Realness factor she never gave realness Yeah she never gave realness but We don't want realness from Max Because she gives such good fantasy

47:49Trixie Mattel:She really doesn't. Because I'm a few episodes in now. I kept watching it thinking, is she just ahead of where drag? Like she's playing chess. She's a high concept. She could be on season 18 and we'd be like plenty.

48:03Katya Zamolodchikova:She's kind of like Tammy Brown plus Miss Fame or something. You know what I mean? She's a high concept character. It's super polished. She's a model.

48:11Trixie Mattel:Well, the same way I probably had more makeup on than anybody had on Drag Race at that point. She had like less. And always took forever. She, she, all my memories of her taking three hours to put makeup on. Mole. Mole. It was like a drone had to like geolocate it before it was like, it was took forever. And just like wrap up entrances too. I honestly, as a viewer, now that I'm watching it, it doesn't even seem like us. It doesn't seem like you and I in this show. No. Jazz and Masters is the best thing there.

48:39Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. And also to come in and be like, yay. Like, I thank God. Realness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was so real. The interviews are always hilarious. she was off camera she's a terrible actor so Jasmine is one of the worst actors known to man but also the most entertaining person known to man so off camera I don't think I ever was not laughing she's so fucking funny

49:04Trixie Mattel:she's kind of the star of it like personality wise every time she talks it's fucking funny

49:08Katya Zamolodchikova:in the van going to and from cracking up she was always just a delight to be near every single time no matter what So fucking funny. With her eight pack? Yeah. She's never exercised a day in her life. I was like, what do you do? She's like, I'd never exercise.

49:24Trixie Mattel:Love.

49:25Katya Zamolodchikova:40 years old. 37 or something like that.

49:28Trixie Mattel:One time I do this, I was in the club with her and she puts a napkin on top of her wine glass and stabs a straw through. She said, I don't want debris in here. Like people are going to walk by and put drywall on our drink or something. Like what? Saunders? For the lady? I always think of it. I thought just to wrap up the cast, because we haven't really introduced everybody.

49:45Katya Zamolodchikova:I thought Tempest's was fabulous.

49:48Trixie Mattel:Tempest has a nice strong entrance. Yeah. Pearl looks so cool to me. The black ear, the chin strap. She looked amazing. Sup? I thought it was so strong. Yeah, it was fun. Sasha Bell.

50:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, God.

50:05Trixie Mattel:It's hard for me to not think of her as my top daddy who fills me up with loads. Because that's how I think of her now.

50:11Katya Zamolodchikova:Mary, I have thrown coins into her OnlyFans bucket. I will just say that right now. I haven't yanked it to her big ass butt.

50:19Trixie Mattel:And it's not, obviously she's gone through some physical transformations, but as a person, I just feel like bone structure wise, male maturity, she got so fucking like thirst magnet hot just a couple years later. She's like thick daddy.

50:34Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:34Trixie Mattel:She's so hot. Yeah. And in this, her drag is also so, her drag now is so specific. Graphic makeup, rainbow. and in this she's really local girl. Crunchy. She's a local gal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Crunchy. And at this point, by the way, we are all local gals. Yes.

50:52Katya Zamolodchikova:Miss Fame was the only like nationally known one. I don't think Miss Fame had been in a gay nightclub. I don't think she was out. She was a YouTuber. That's it.

51:01Trixie Mattel:Yeah.

51:01Katya Zamolodchikova:Damn.

51:02Trixie Mattel:So Tempest is 57 now. So she was 47 at the time. At this point, Tempest was the oldest competitor.

51:07Katya Zamolodchikova:I think she was 46 at the time of filming, 47 at the time of airing.

51:10Trixie Mattel:Yes. And she had just got her legs sewn back on. Remember?

51:12Katya Zamolodchikova:she had gone oh yeah and she dropped about a 450 pounds yeah she had just had i almost called it a car wash crash she went through that car wash and lost her leg jimmy lube took the leg and i also

51:24Trixie Mattel:wrote this is like not ageism anyway rupaul is so young do you know what though she really is

51:31Katya Zamolodchikova:young looking she out of drag is to me does not looks a little something she's so thin she's thin Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we'll get to it every, in my notes on every episode. The drag is ridiculous. From the neck up at least. It was hit or miss with the gowns. Her fucking hair and makeup. The hair and makeup. Is perfection.

51:55Trixie Mattel:Girl, I was watching this.

51:56Katya Zamolodchikova:It's perfection.

51:57Trixie Mattel:Sometimes the TV is in my living room and I can sit outside on the porch and I can like do a joint and watch Drag Race. And I was sitting out there watching her on the TV and I was like.

52:10Trixie Mattel:She knows she looks good too. Girl. She fucking knows.

52:13Katya Zamolodchikova:I got like a 60 ,000 inch TV, which is a big old gooner. And I, I'm like, my nose is about eight and a half inches from the screen. And she looks and I'm like, cause it was Matthew. Yeah. It was Matthew. And shout out to the wonderful talents of Matthew Anderson. And it's like, I, I got to have a cigarette with him once after the show aired, but he, um, he never put her in those white loaves. I don't like the white hair. No, no. No, the white loaf that she's standing in front of. You know how it looks like that sometimes? Like she's standing in front of a white loaf. These days, anyways. But she was so, the makeup, every time.

52:52Katya Zamolodchikova:Some of the accessories, could have used bigger earrings, but it was like the hair and makeup was actually perfect. Actually perfect.

52:59Trixie Mattel:This is, I mean, the eyebrows, the way they sculpt RuPaul's eyes, this was like an era of RuPaul where you almost want to pause the TV and get close to it. It's just unbelievable.

53:08Katya Zamolodchikova:And this was the season where she stepped outside of her box, literally, like during our dance challenge, the first time she showed her legs in it forever. Yeah. I was shocked to see her legs. I was like, she's got legs.

53:19Trixie Mattel:You knew she had them. Yeah. Wait, so the mini challenge. Okay. So the mini challenge is... Blowing our wads. I couldn't believe... So most seasons you're like, all right, they're going to dump me in a tank. I'm going to ride a rodeo, whatever.

53:32Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah.

53:33Trixie Mattel:They make us do a spring and fall fashion runway presentation. By the way, me at 23 from Wisconsin Googling what is Bryant Park.

53:43Katya Zamolodchikova:I was like, me, when they said that, I was like, two of my fucking best. Well, one of my best looks. I'm going to blow in a mini challenge, you fucks.

53:51Trixie Mattel:I couldn't. I honestly was like, I didn't know what Bryant Park was. I didn't. I'd never seen. Yours were so bad.

53:57Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm sorry.

53:58Trixie Mattel:They were so bad. You want to talk about yours?

54:01Katya Zamolodchikova:No, no. My spring was bad. My fall was cunt. The fall was cool.

54:04Trixie Mattel:You don't like my sequin with the shoulders?

54:06Katya Zamolodchikova:I hated it. Oh, I like that dress. I stand by it.

54:08Trixie Mattel:But it was so brunch. Brunch? Brunch. It was like brunch drag. I mean, I didn't even have the qualifications to get booked at a brunch. It wasn't even brunch drag. It was at home.

54:21Katya Zamolodchikova:And how dare you? That yellow catsuit, while not appropriate for any runway, was still a very fierce costume. You put on your piss yellow catsuit and your ethnic hair and the runway. The hair was very Moesha. I was like, who do I think? Like, am I doing a black sex? Can we?

54:38Trixie Mattel:I do think. Well, let's get into it because I had some general notes. Also, when I'm walking the runway, I go, my family is Native American. So we grew up poor. Those things don't have to be together. But I guess that's how it grew together. Pearl, bitch, I'm from New York. No, you're not. Well, she had just moved there. Then say that. Yeah.

54:59Katya Zamolodchikova:Bitch, I live in New York.

55:01Trixie Mattel:Well, I remember New Yorkers not liking that.

55:03Katya Zamolodchikova:well because you don't because you move there you're not born and bred you say i live in new

55:08Trixie Mattel:york but people tell me you're not a real angelino until you see someone shit in the street i'm like so what you live here one day baby so i went to san francisco one day that makes me a san franciscan i've seen three people three people shit in my mouth jasmine abs never exercised i wrote jasmine's look oh my god um and then uh oh fame fame's red outfit is cool but fame really looks male she looked male

55:32Katya Zamolodchikova:it was the strangest thing because I feel for me and maybe for you although your makeup was a little hard sometimes like for me especially for me those lights softened my features I looked better than I looked in reality for sure Fame was the opposite she looked better in reality than she did on the show just face wise do you know what I mean?

55:56Trixie Mattel:I agree in person I will say Fame's makeup was buttery soft.

56:01Katya Zamolodchikova:Sickening.

56:02Trixie Mattel:And the hair, it was almost like fame was on RuPaul's level hair-wise, honestly. Sometimes

56:07Katya Zamolodchikova:she surpassed Ru in terms of the quality of the coif.

56:11Trixie Mattel:And the quality of the lace. It looked like shit was growing. I'd never, I was Googling Bryant Park and I had never seen wigs like fame's in person. No, we had brown chicken screens. All the blonde wigs came with brown plastic chicken screens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also wrote Violet. Oh my god, wow. she's just so much better than all of us.

56:29Katya Zamolodchikova:So we shared the same table. It was me and her at one table getting dressed for the mini challenge. And when she pulled out her spring outfit, I was like, oh, oh, well, I'm not winning. Definitely not winning. This is a mini challenge. This is obviously not anywhere near her best drag. And this is miles away from my best drag.

56:50Trixie Mattel:Yes.

56:51Katya Zamolodchikova:I loved it so much. Yes. And she was such a rude cunt. And she didn't say a word to me, but it was, um, she looked incredible. She scared me then and scares me now. And also responsible for probably the most memeable, memorable moment in all of the season. Also, it's an actual reveal where you don't see it coming. Yes. It's not a popcorn. It's not Jiffy pop. You know what I mean?

57:13Trixie Mattel:You're not like a Jiffy pop, like, or trench coat. For the girls listening stuck in traffic, we're talking about when Violet had that red, like tartan raccoon wing. A flying squirrel. Yes. Flying squirrel.

57:24Katya Zamolodchikova:And it was a true, true gag in every fucking the 13 premiere parties we had to go to everybody went nuts every single

57:32Trixie Mattel:time yeah it was the biggest cheer i probably had of the whole season besides the winning yeah yeah um and then i have her fall looks i just wrote in all caps is max just ahead of her time on drag race yeah because i'm watching it through 2025 and being like this is amazing it's so clean it fits her perfect and she looks different than the rest of us yeah and she

57:54Katya Zamolodchikova:really was she had she was unique unique she was unique there's there we talk about wearing no makeup could any of us get away with that mama you know what though i rescind all that all my shit talk because she was and it makes sense now that she was always late because she's wearing tons of makeup that's why her fucking skin is perfect right you know what i mean i were walking so slowly oh my god walking so runway walk was like almost in slow motion it was like almost

58:21Trixie Mattel:like are you what are you doing is this a bit is this a bit it was we were gonna get to her runway but her reveal her naked runway it was like this

58:37Katya Zamolodchikova:yes it's yes it was like slow mo

58:42Trixie Mattel:yes judge judy crazy um well okay uh we have some challenge oh well before that we have our first reveals of each other out of drag. Oh, yeah. This is when we first see each other out of drag.

58:54Katya Zamolodchikova:You look like the only boy. I know. Also, I loved your teeth. I thought your teeth were... I didn't think there was anything weird about your teeth. I thought they were nice teeth like Patricia Arquette.

59:03Trixie Mattel:I didn't think I had weird teeth until I got the veneers. And then I was like, oh, wow. That's quite an improvement.

59:11Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. And I don't mean like, oh, I liked you when you were ugly. I don't mean like that kind of a compliment. I thought they were really... I don't... Yeah. I mean, people were fucking me. I thought that you're, I guess I misremembered.

59:22Trixie Mattel:I thought your teeth were jacked.

59:23Katya Zamolodchikova:They were not jacked.

59:24Trixie Mattel:No, they're just, that's a Wisconsin billboard dazzling.

59:30Katya Zamolodchikova:Wisconsin Hollywood.

59:31Trixie Mattel:Wisconsin elite. Yeah. And also, I wore, this is what the oldest shirt I own. This is from season seven of Drag Race. Damn. I was trying to find a head gun. It still fits. She had a big ass then. She's got a big ass now. It's a tank top that I've ripped holes in bigger and bigger as I've expanded.

59:46Katya Zamolodchikova:What about my non-wardrobe? Nowadays, these girls come with a whole boy story. Mary, I wore a -

59:53Trixie Mattel:A storyline that evolves.

59:54Katya Zamolodchikova:A golfer hat with a pug print t-shirt. Am I a child molester? What about your interview look? Am I an art teacher? Are you an art teacher?

1:00:05Trixie Mattel:Am I an art teacher at a Montessori school? Gay? I think I wore a red flannel in my interview. I don't know.

1:00:13Katya Zamolodchikova:Mary, I look at that and I'm like, I'm actually goth. like that is actually my tried and true identity. Why didn't you do that? Ask me. I don't know. There's so many unanswerable questions from that time period. Same. Like, I just don't know. Why did I wear a black wig five times? I don't know. Why didn't you do the rest? Yeah, it's a whole thing. We get a lot to get through here. Fuck, we haven't even got to the maxi challenge.

1:00:35Trixie Mattel:I know. Well, the maxi challenge goes quick. It's just sewing. So basically, RuPaul tells us that we have to do a naked and afraid runway. Terrified. And we have to produce a resort look again. Didn't know what that meant. No, I didn't either. But I didn't either to be fair. Also, you can't Google it. You couldn't Google it. You have no research. You can't go to the library. So then I'm thinking resort like my I'm white trash. Okay. My reference of resort is like staying at Disneyland with your family. But I don't know what resort means. But we should really I want to emphasize this because you can't Google anything.

1:01:10Katya Zamolodchikova:No, you only have your knowledge and perhaps the the specious knowledge of other people to pull from. There's no facts. You can't check anything. People like

1:01:21Trixie Mattel:Thame would know, oh, it's flowing fabrics. It's kind of in and out of the pool style clothing.

1:01:27Katya Zamolodchikova:It's like Paco Rabanne 1987 spring summer.

1:01:30Trixie Mattel:You're like, what is that? And she knows. I remember everybody sewing and I remember honestly thinking back, I'm like, this is the easiest sewing challenge to get through. It's a giant square fabric with a head hole with gemstones, hot glue, instead of even doing the hem. That's all there is to this. That's what, I guess the nude illusion is the hard part because some of them had those disgusting nude body suits.

1:01:53Katya Zamolodchikova:Mary, I did not know that those existed. And when I was trying to interpret and go through all the lists, which we didn't really talk about, but the list of items you had to bring, I thought you had to be naked. Well, the judges are,

1:02:07Trixie Mattel:they said you're going to blur out your bits. Was this the first season with Ross? yeah Santino had had exited so we have Ross and we have Kathy Griffin and you bend over and show

1:02:18Katya Zamolodchikova:your actual butthole to Kathy Griffin I do well so I had these I your actual butthole no it's not my actual butthole I was wearing a beige thong so I thought it was your real butthole no but I had this fucking disgusting Godiva synthetic wig on that went down to my knees and if you know anything about these wigs they tangle in about 13 seconds when you take them out but I had these cunty cunty boots that were like these red suede fringed platform boots. They were fabulous. And I looked fine. I was like a Russian hippie girl. It looked fine. My body was slim up and down pole body. Nothing to write home about.

1:02:51Katya Zamolodchikova:But it was safe. It was safe. I'm so happy to be safe by the way. Do you have any idea?

1:02:57Trixie Mattel:Nobody wants to be the first

1:02:58Katya Zamolodchikova:out.

1:02:59Trixie Mattel:Do you have any idea?

1:03:00Katya Zamolodchikova:Nobody wants to be the first out. It was the biggest bullet you dodge. You're like oh my god.

1:03:04Trixie Mattel:You thought you were going to be safe. No.

1:03:07Katya Zamolodchikova:I had no idea. no idea. I,

1:03:11Trixie Mattel:I, I don't maybe look around and think that your look was better than some of the other people's looks. Miss fame's pussy was out. Oh, maybe. Yeah. Or no, was it candy hose? What made a lovely shirt? Oh,

1:03:21Katya Zamolodchikova:and Tempest was horrible.

1:03:23Trixie Mattel:Poor Tempest. That was an awful look.

1:03:25Katya Zamolodchikova:But I just was like, I don't know. I was, I was worried. I don't know. Everybody had those body suits and I didn't have one. It was just me and Violet naked.

1:03:32Trixie Mattel:Yeah. Also the walkthrough. I, there was a clip. I watched it. RuPaul goes, you know, Tempest, when you auditioned a few years ago, you were very heavy love RuPaul just breaking that love hey former fatty I love that um I put RuPaul looks amazing Sasha's Sasha Sasha Bell's black bra was so puzzling oh that's right that's right yeah that was so yeah it's like girl what are you doing Pearl's runway walk was the k-hole

1:03:55Katya Zamolodchikova:just it's a k-hole so puzzling just like I'm at my own pace it's syrup it's pills it's like damn

1:04:05Trixie Mattel:Candy just made a shirt. Candy's whole pussy is out. Candy's was horrible. Yeah, and also she had a beard, which is tough. Max has crutches. Down at the resort on your crutches. What? From the Men in Music Business Conference.

1:04:16Katya Zamolodchikova:She was only 19. Girl, the Mariners apartment complex. I was in a white dress with my crutches. Why does she have crutches?

1:04:27Trixie Mattel:Why does she have crutches? Assisted mobility devices continue to make career splashes on drag race. and this was sort of an early like, wow, okay.

1:04:36Katya Zamolodchikova:Why? I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. She had a story that was not told and it does not age, did not age very well. I have runway. Rue's hair and makeup is flawless, but she needs bigger earrings. Oh, tell her. Bigger earrings. RuPaul, you're the most famous drag. You're the queen of drag. You can't wear Santee Alley buttons. You just can't. You're a fucking multi-fucking millionaire. Go to Tiffany's, you fucking gay, bald bitch. there you go

1:05:05Trixie Mattel:again I just wrote Swarovski Violet's is just better than us all the ruffling it's a coat with a hat

1:05:14Katya Zamolodchikova:she's the only one who constructed an actual garment I disagree

1:05:18Trixie Mattel:I made a tennis outfit oh that's true hers was the garment that you hang on a rack and put in a store but again lack of fashion knowledge resort to me meant playing tennis no that's fair

1:05:30Katya Zamolodchikova:that's totally fair

1:05:31Trixie Mattel:the fact that everyone was making swimsuit cover ups and I was over here spray painting a tennis racket being like, y 'all don't know about this shit. What the fuck was I doing? Y 'all gotta learn about these creases. Y 'all gotta learn about these doll creases. And a cape. I was very into capes at the time. I was like, I'm gonna make a cape. And then it was a double reveal. They're gonna be blown away. I have leg warmers on. What the fuck am I doing? My visor is foam core. Hey, listen.

1:05:53Katya Zamolodchikova:They're not feeling it. They're looking. But also, it is a huge shock that we get no run through. The runway is slippery. It's fucking freezing. and the judges are two inches from you.

1:06:03Trixie Mattel:We also learn on the first day, we learn in our first runway that there's a walk with music and a walk with no music. So when you hear the judges saying comments, it's because the second walk is silent. I totally forgot about that. So you're showing your teeth, your yellow teeth, and then you hear the judges go like, well, so-and-so's got the big knuckles or whatever.

1:06:28Katya Zamolodchikova:No, they had good puns. I'm watching up I'm caught up from season of episode one to five and the puns were for cunty they're really funny but oh my gosh yeah it's and also it's much smaller than you think than it appears on television much smaller much much smaller and I can't stress this enough that runway is greased steel

1:06:49Trixie Mattel:oh yes you and I are safe which makes sense we weren't bad but we weren't that good oh wait Miss Fame's outfit sucks it does but her nude cat suit is good it's amazing yeah it's good

1:06:59Katya Zamolodchikova:it's amazing Tempest outfit is awful. Pearl's truly sedated. Max, what the hell is going on here? Ross, we have a crack problem.

1:07:08Trixie Mattel:Oh, yes.

1:07:09Katya Zamolodchikova:We have a crack problem. Somebody's butt is out. He goes, we have a crack problem in here. We have a crack problem. Oh, Jasmine's cocoon. Hi, Art. This is ahead of its time. This is perform ahead of its time.

1:07:20Trixie Mattel:I texted Jasmine and I said, you know, can I talk about the cocoon? And she didn't respond.

1:07:25Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, but I forgot about this little chest. and I'm showing a little tissue, a little ass, a little cut cut.

1:07:32Trixie Mattel:Can I tell you, Jasmine explains the cocoon to RuPaul and the longer she explains it, the worse it gets. Like a cocoon, a little tissue, a little ass, a little cut cut. It's like a butterfly, a little bit of a cocoon because when a caterpillar turns into a butterfly, it's a cocoon.

1:07:48Katya Zamolodchikova:I remember that conversation and I was like, this woman is a fucking genius. RuPaul is just blinking. RuPaul knows, don't interrupt.

1:07:55Trixie Mattel:Let her keep it. Oh God. Let her keep explaining. She's so wild.

1:07:59Katya Zamolodchikova:And then she's not even naked.

1:08:00Trixie Mattel:Yeah. She's not even naked. I love her so much. Love her.

1:08:05Katya Zamolodchikova:It's so amazing.

1:08:06Trixie Mattel:Jasmine is so awesome. She's, and then I'm. Yeah, Violet looks great naked. I'm sorry. She does. She looks amazing. She does. And you know, that's a very back then conversation to have about boy body and whatever, you know.

1:08:16Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, would never happen today. Also, she had curves. Fuck off. She did. I don't think she did. I had. No, no. She had a model's skinny, skinny body. She had a shape. She had a posture. I was up and down, no curves at all. And also, we see Violet's body a lot this season.

1:08:36Trixie Mattel:We see her naked body a lot. And it's episode four. If I had her body, I'd probably be naked all the time. Yeah. I have to say that in the bottom, we have Candy Ho and Tempest DuJour.

1:08:46Katya Zamolodchikova:But also, Ru asking the girls, which queen has made the least impression on you so far?

1:08:51Trixie Mattel:Oh, Kennedy saying me. Yeah.

1:08:54Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. People saying who I. Trixie and Ginger being picked off. Yeah. I have Trixie and Ginger being picked, but offstage. Love. Not even in the room. Not even in the room. Not even in the room. I thought that was a brutal question to ask on the first fucking day. Brutal. A hundred percent.

1:09:10Trixie Mattel:Because that was just to instigate drama. I'm not even there. I know. And then Kennedy and I go to be finalists in All Stars. So fucking crazy. That is so wild. I forgot she said me. I was at home watching it. hi and i go she says tricksy and i was like

1:09:29Trixie Mattel:i was watching with someone who never seen it and they looked over at me and they're like i was like i don't know yell at her from 10 years ago through the tv go ahead i don't know what to say and kennedy and i are i think very close now but we just had not really bonded in any way yeah You also not, it was oil and vinegar or oil and water.

1:09:50Katya Zamolodchikova:It's just not. It's yeah. Yeah. Different. Um, my, so final thoughts. Cause we're actually, I love how long we just went. I know the first one's a little long.

1:09:58Trixie Mattel:Cause we had to talk about casting and stuff. Why don't we talk about the promo shoot next episode?

1:10:01Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah.

1:10:01Trixie Mattel:Yeah. I have to.

1:10:02Katya Zamolodchikova:So I think my controversial take, and this is very controversial. It's my opinion only every lip sync on the main stage. It's boring. This is a bad lip sync. No walls stage too slippery. Can't choose an outfit or a song. No props. It's a setup for failure.

1:10:16Trixie Mattel:contrasted with lip sync battle and it is always a flop it's not a good lip sync i don't love the song no i don't love either of them the queens don't know it nobody knows really know it no day one for a song with so many lyrics is tough it's the end of your first day if a second day

1:10:34Katya Zamolodchikova:of full day of filming your feet hurt so bad yeah you've just been on the on the main stage probably standing in heels longer than you ever have in your life you've pissed yourself not joking no For real. Then you're supposed to turn it out to a song you don't even know, and there's no walls to support, and it's slippery. Go get the fuck out of here. Not to mention, I don't think Geronimo had come out yet. No. I don't know. It was very bad, and it was a tough, tough job for the girls.

1:10:59Trixie Mattel:Well, we do have a voice note from our first out, the lovely Tempest du jour, who I will say from a— No way.

1:11:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Who didn't work these voice notes out?

1:11:05Trixie Mattel:Well, I have to massage people. Okay. I will say for a first out, Tempest is extremely lovable. Yes. As a viewer watching it, I'm like, she's lovable. Drag Race really told her story and she leaves on a very positive note with a lot of dignity.

1:11:19Katya Zamolodchikova:And I think that's impressive. Yeah, I think the second and third outs are kind of the toughest. For sure. Yeah, first out at least you're like, bang. Well, hello Trixie and Katya. It's your great auntie Tempest du jour. And I'm just filled with memories of season seven that I'm going to share with you. I hope that's alright. My first impressions were interesting because I was the last one into the work room on our entrances. Oh, yeah. And everybody was sort of already milling around a little bit. But I remember Trixie, first of all, and thinking, girl, that's a whole lot of face. That's a lot.

1:11:57Katya Zamolodchikova:That's some daisies and a floppy hat and a lot of face. That's my major first impression. And then I saw Katya and I was like, OK, I wonder if this bitch is really Russian. I had previously, back in the 90s, I spent two summers in Russia. And I was familiar with the stereotype of the stone, cold, hard ass Russian bitch, which Katya does. Anyway, I'm glad that I got to know them a little bit more post that first impression because it turns out they're lovely gals. Even though Katya hasn't returned a phone message of mine or a text in 10 years, I still love you very, very deeply as an auntie would.

1:12:40Katya Zamolodchikova:okay so she's gonna run us through how which was going through her mind during uh prior to the lip sync because this is a tough song which by the way this is a hard song and candy ho can can lip sync candy ho is a is a dancer she's a she's a bucker she is a performer yeah and she's like you know not if you don't consider the beard she's gorgeous she did have a beard yes she did

1:13:04Trixie Mattel:it was crazy well i remember her explaining to me that in puerto rico it's very normal for the Puerto Rican drag queens to not do their own makeup. That's right.

1:13:12Katya Zamolodchikova:It's cultural. That's right. I remember being blown away by that.

1:13:15Trixie Mattel:Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is right. Strange.

1:13:17Katya Zamolodchikova:When we were prepping to go on stage for that, I knew as clear as a day that I was going home. I just, I just knew it. I had, I was 100 % sure I was going home no matter what I did. Two, by the way, the hardest fucking, it's a lot. It was the worst, the worst song. That's ever been on RuPaul's Drag Race. I'm going to, I'll stand by that. I want to see someone else do Geronimo. See how you do. I'm clearly always going to lose. I'm not a dancer. That's not what I do. That's what Candy does. And so she beat me fair and square. Now put a mic in my hand and let's see who wins. Okay. Okay.

1:13:53Trixie Mattel:She's going to beat Candy Ho with the microphone. She's like, smile too in her eye.

1:13:57Katya Zamolodchikova:I am very, very, very, very proud of Katya and Trixie at this point and their success. And I think it means a lot to a lot of people, especially young people.

1:14:07Trixie Mattel:Oh, we're going through a tunnel. Okay. Five girls.

1:14:10Katya Zamolodchikova:Sort of like the permission and the evidence that they can do and be whatever they want to do and be. And I think that's super, super important and super cool. Older people too. I hear older people talk about that a lot. Now I'm old. In public.

1:14:22Trixie Mattel:43. Clearly I have sort of a - Oh my God, you're almost her age. Three years younger. An older baby dealership because of my age. Too much. Yeah, three years younger. Tempest, thank you so much. Thank you so, so much for sending a voice note. Love her. Love, love pink. Love pink. I call her like once a year because, you know, she has all those exotic birds. We love to talk about birds. I love her.

1:14:40Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. And also she's got endangered wildlife that dies all the time.

1:14:44Trixie Mattel:So, well, she rescues. She rescues animals and she's, she's a goddess and a parent. She was one of the first people to talk about being a parent on Drag Race.

1:14:52Katya Zamolodchikova:And also foreshadowing the crab animals, you know, think about it.

1:14:57Trixie Mattel:Okay. So next week we are going to touch on the promo shoot in episode two.

1:15:01Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, promo shoot in episode two, which came in that order. Okay, bye. What is it?

1:15:05Trixie Mattel:Oh, it's Clemazonia Airways.

1:15:07Katya Zamolodchikova:You're lip syncing. See you next week. I might have a proxy. There might be someone in my place. Okay, bye.

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