RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 Ep 2: "Trauma & Moby" with Trixie and Katya

5:49Katya Zamolodchikova:And no tea. Michelle looked a mess in that episode. She really did. That outfit. I, you know, her breasts looked incredible. Yeah. But she was just wearing so much shit and bad beige.

6:01Trixie Mattel:Well, I texted her. I said, oh, this is when you were still wearing big hair. Like big, big hair. And she said, I still do. I said, yeah, but I'm thinking to myself, this is you in like drag queen Halfwig Falls. Yeah.

6:10Katya Zamolodchikova:This is like, this is the tail end of tacky and going into refined.

6:14Trixie Mattel:Because now she does something much more. Elegant. Mainstream.

6:18Katya Zamolodchikova:And elegant. Yes. She looks very polished. This is more drag, more tacky. More draggy. Yeah. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it. And then I hated the nails in that episode. But that's just me.

6:27Trixie Mattel:The first episode. It's where we get Michelle going. No. Yeah. Yeah. The square, like pink tip one. Yes. So Pearl says that Sasha is got. Pearl says. Okay. There's that fight between Sasha and Pearl because Sasha's like, well, if you don't want to be here, whatever. And Pearl says, I'm not going to be talked down to by John Goodman in a wig, which is very fierce. It's very fierce. And then it cuts to Sasha Bell with, you know, the drag queens who are all the little ponytails to secure their wig. So she's like John Goodman in a wig. And it's Sasha Bell with like tiny little ponytails sticking up all over her head, which is very John Goodman.

7:06Trixie Mattel:To have a bunch of little ponies. It's actually rugrats. and then we get I love the drag race I haven't really watched it except pit stop in a so long yeah this is my first time recreationally watching drag race in a very long time but it's still for work but I forgot about the cliffhangers of like so and so better watch her back she'll get the chop and then RuPaul's drag race the winner of RuPaul's drag race wins a lifetime supply of Raven Simonier

7:38Trixie Mattel:raven simonier shout out to lee dawson she was really eating up the girls with the edits at this

7:44Katya Zamolodchikova:time no i i all i always think of her and i think of like there's a couple more there's a couple more i mean they're not i just i don't know i think of rupaul in the red dress running through the field in slow motion that's a more current one but very much so yeah okay we get a mini challenge. This is actually kind of stupid and kind of great. I love it. Yeah, it's great. Also, Miss Fame really, surprisingly, made herself look fucking

8:10Trixie Mattel:hideous. Insane. She looked like Christopher Lloyd in Dennis the Menace. She looked like the Crypt Keeper. She was like really ugly. It was amazing. Really bad. So it's a, we have goggles on and we get in quick drag because we are going to be blown by a leaf blower. A leaf blower in the face.

8:28Katya Zamolodchikova:And it was very powerful. And the surprise celebrity guest is Moby. I think honestly, I think he was on the soundstage doing something and he's friends with Rue and they were like, oh yeah, come on. It was because it was very random. Yes. Very random. But he was kind of interesting.

8:41Trixie Mattel:I've seen Moby DJ a few times. When I first moved to LA, I went to a party and there was a bald guy DJ and I was like, that looks like Moby. And somebody next was like, that is Moby. I was like, oh, it's Moby. He's very, very quiet, shy, nice guy.

8:53Katya Zamolodchikova:Very small. Very small man.

8:56Trixie Mattel:And I guess, listen, I don't want to give too much credit but anytime like straight men are willing to come fuck around with the drag queens love that yeah of course okay mini challenge fun i have tricksy i liked your old teeth well there you go i guess do you want me to take these suckers out or what give me the pliers put

9:12Katya Zamolodchikova:them in the jar put them in a glass of alga seltzer and i also just wrote down max accent

9:16Trixie Mattel:every time i hear it i know what wisconsin sounds like yeah i'm always like wow yeah so this is like

9:22Katya Zamolodchikova:something that i accent out of drag is something we've never seen before we haven't and and this is something that I've experienced with other drag queens who do a character. I don't like it. So like personally, when we're off stage, when we're backstage, when we're like off the clock, so to speak, or like we're like hanging out, wigs off, panties like out. I don't want to hear your character voice. That's just me. Like that's that's my preference.

9:46Trixie Mattel:And I went to college with Max. We did musicals together. We went to ballet together. We were in school together and he didn't talk like that. So I didn't know that to be honest, it's almost a little Lana Del Rey to make your real life also kind of a persona.

9:59Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, you know what? I actually had, I had, I had, um, thought about this. I considered very, um, seriously pretending to be Russian. Right. For like as long as I could. Right. Cause nobody knew who I was and I could have done it. Nobody spoke Russian. You know what I mean? So I would have that. And then I say like episode four, I would have just give it up.

10:20Trixie Mattel:So I was watching it with someone who'd never seen Drag Race and they turned to me and they go, out of drag, he kind of talks like Judy Garland. And I said, I guess that's part of what the character is. It's that MGM Studios kind of thing.

10:33Katya Zamolodchikova:It's an affectation.

10:35Trixie Mattel:I guess at the time, I didn't really understand it. And now as a viewer, Tammy Brown. Yes. Now as a viewer, I guess I'm, I'm a little more like, well, that's how they're talking in the interview. doesn't bother me as much when I first saw it

10:49Katya Zamolodchikova:like 10 years ago I remember being like oh well it's like your friend your friend that you used to like shit kick with like kick the can and eat worms and then they go to Europe and they come back like all sophisticated that's what it kind of gives it's like mama I know you're a piece of shit what's up with that but Madonna does it right Mary I spent 48 hours in Memphis and came back with a southern accent I'm not kidding it's like things happen so then we have

11:15Trixie Mattel:bomb. I guess I'm the winner of the mini challenge. Yeah. And so is Ginger.

11:18Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Makes no sense. My ultimate shame, part of my ultimate shame is just a real disappointment because this is one of the few group challenges that is truly awesome. Glamazonian Airways is great. It's so good and it's shockingly good. It's awesome. Because there are so many bad group numbers. I mean and really bad in Drag Race.

11:43Trixie Mattel:But you know what's good about it? It harkens to lip synch. It's the spoken, the record scratch in and out moment. It's drag. It's really drag.

11:52Katya Zamolodchikova:It's not trying to be singers. It's not trying to be fucking fly girls. It's like, yes there is choreo, lots of it, but it's a true drag ensemble number. It's a great, great number.

12:04Trixie Mattel:And all of us having matching outfits is cool. Yep. The opening ding, Glamazonian Airways, all of it being a plane, the music is great. Glamazonian

12:15Katya Zamolodchikova:quiz of the sky

12:19Trixie Mattel:it's hard to in one day memorize all these songs and spoken word parts

12:24Katya Zamolodchikova:I don't have to tell you that who are you telling and a lip sync song that I had never heard before one time in my life

12:33Trixie Mattel:yeah yeah it's tough time so I'm watching the episode and honestly does that look crazy whatever so we get out there Jamal Sims Jamal Sims is the choreographer. Yep. It was, I mean. I didn't think this was hard dancing. I thought this was pretty doable. No, it was just getting the steps right. Which was, it was a hard challenge. And fame, I remember fame and Pearl not doing well with the dancing.

12:57Katya Zamolodchikova:Mama, I think this is when Jamal Sims says, oh yeah, hold on. Jamal says, her execution is so bad. Damn, Jamal. He's like, she just cannot move at all like a lady. Damn, Jamal. Her hips don't move at all. Bam, Jamal. He read her. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

13:19Trixie Mattel:Oh, my God. He read her. It's pretty bad. I have memories of us standing up there. I also remember I'm in a theater character shoe with a T-strap. Love that for me.

13:27Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, I said during rehearsals, our team looks unbelievably bad.

13:31Trixie Mattel:But we all look bad. Everybody is, not me. Everybody is so thin. Yeah. Who is? Yeah, everybody's tiny. Pearl is so petite. Small skeleton. She is petite. Small height. Small body mass. I'm also quite slight.

13:49Katya Zamolodchikova:I have hardly any muscle toes. She's tall, but she's very - So small.

13:54Trixie Mattel:And Fame is also kind of frail, too. She's very bony. I'm 170 pounds, and I'm the fattest person on the team. Thin, white, slim, up-and-down pole bodies. Awful. Awful. And honestly, we didn't get to watch the other ones rehearse. No. So watching it and being like, oh, watching them rehearse, who's struggling, who's whatever.

14:14Katya Zamolodchikova:They are good. They're so much better than us. And they're so much better. I think that their part was maybe like a little bit better, but still both parts were good. Their part was, if you want to stay safe, it was do, do, do, do. It was like kind of. And they had the whole tray thing, I think. Yeah. It was cunty. Yes. And also for having ready-made outfits, they still looked fierce. Yeah.

14:38Trixie Mattel:Right? Oh, the blouses with the skirts? Yeah. Those were great. They look great. I wish I still had mine. I know.

14:43Katya Zamolodchikova:I kept it for a while. I don't know what I did with mine. Thank God I wore that black wig.

14:48Trixie Mattel:The black finger waves.

14:51Katya Zamolodchikova:Second time. No, not second time. That was the first time.

14:54Trixie Mattel:It will come back.

14:55Katya Zamolodchikova:That black finger wave will come back.

14:57Trixie Mattel:Now, had you ever worn black finger waves?

15:00Katya Zamolodchikova:No.

15:01Trixie Mattel:And what made you kind of dip into your kind of, you know, your kind of...

15:06Katya Zamolodchikova:I think it was a dissociative identity disorder. I don't know. Because I think it was the only like ready-made coif that was short. That would look like a stewardess to me. Otherwise, I don't know how to style a wig at all. To this day. Seriously. Seriously. I don't. I could not do anything. I've never even seen you brush a wig. I'm not kidding. I don't do it. I don't do my own hair at all. I don't do. I could put a wig on. I can glue it down. And that's about it. I can do a scrunchie.

15:37Katya Zamolodchikova:When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy. I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to sleeping bear dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial.

16:19Katya Zamolodchikova:Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks. All with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives, and if I'm traveling with friends, even better.

16:53Katya Zamolodchikova:We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb. When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy.

17:39Katya Zamolodchikova:I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial. Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks, all with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in.

18:15Katya Zamolodchikova:That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives. And if I'm traveling with friends, even better. We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb.

18:52Katya Zamolodchikova:When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy. I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial.

19:35Katya Zamolodchikova:Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks. All with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives. And if I'm traveling with friends, even better.

20:09Katya Zamolodchikova:We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb.

20:30Trixie Mattel:I need to speak about generational trauma. What are you talking about? Are we talking about your lip sync? Yeah. Okay. Before we get into that, we... Wait, is it... You divvy up the parts. Is it performance first? What do you mean?

20:44Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, we do runway later. And it's an abbreviated runway.

20:50Trixie Mattel:Yes. We don't

20:51Katya Zamolodchikova:We do runway walks. Okay. It's just coming out. It's an abbreviated runway, which is rare. There was two of these in the whole season. Episode five, the Despies. That was an abbreviated runway. We never walked. We just came out. And then this was the same thing because we were pressed for time. Sure. Yeah. And the Despies, thank God, because as you will see, half of my dress was ripped off. That's right. Anyways. So yeah, we never walked the runway. Do you have any idea? Like, I'm not joking. I wanted to do suicide not that's not like I'm not yesterday during the in the hotel in the hotel I'm not being hyperbolic after or before before the night before I slept not one minute and I was trying to learn this monologue I was writing it out I've I do I found out very quickly that I can do monologues really well it just takes time sure it takes time I'm not a cram I can't cram it in.

21:48Trixie Mattel:You know, and this is not an old joke. It's easy to memorize those things when you're 21. In drag, when I was 21, I could learn a song in a couple days. Now? No, I never could. If I'm doing a new number, you better believe it's going to be car wash. I will survive. Like, I can't learn new numbers anymore.

22:03Katya Zamolodchikova:I need about three weeks. Three weeks. I'm usually, I'm doing, I'm memorizing songs in another language. And like, this is, I... Can I play a part of it?

22:12Trixie Mattel:Yeah. Not to re-traumatize you.

22:19Trixie Mattel:Great song.

22:22Katya Zamolodchikova:Hi, everybody. It's during this evening. Hello. Welcome aboard. Welcome aboard. I'm Miss Valerie Valentine. I'm your economist slash coach student. How have you gotten worse?

22:30Trixie Mattel:How have you gotten worse at this?

22:31Katya Zamolodchikova:I still, I haven't. I was like, I was, I totally planned on listening. I didn't listen to it once since I talked to you the other day. It's also not a straight monologue. No. And also, it's AAVE. The problem is not with it being inappropriate, which unfortunately nowadays it is. Oh, you are white in a black finger wave wig doing it. Doing Laquisha. Because it's Laquisha. I'm sorry. It is Laquisha. We will never survive this recap. No, no, no, no, no, no. We can say this. This is not. This is true. It's not. It's not. Because this would not happen today. It's 10 years ago.

23:05Trixie Mattel:And you would have never made that choice.

23:07Katya Zamolodchikova:No. And also, I. Right. I wouldn't. I chose.

23:11Trixie Mattel:It would have been weird to be like, only the black girl can do this number. I don't know.

23:16Katya Zamolodchikova:Right. So we're a whole group of white girls. And I chose this number because if I had hit it, I would have won.

23:23Trixie Mattel:That's the thing. I see what you're saying because if it's a competition and you have the first thing that's a comedy monologue. Also, if you kill it, you get it out of the way in the beginning of the performance. Yes. And then you can just enjoy it.

23:35Katya Zamolodchikova:Enjoy it. And then really kind of just like, I did that. And then look at everybody else. And then you had like, how could expect anyone to breathe?

23:43Trixie Mattel:You had like two other lines. You would have been done.

23:45Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. I mean, I, and that was my strategy. I was like, cause I was like, okay, I really need to win a challenge. Cause I like was so, I was like safe. Okay. I don't know where I was in the pecking order. I was like, I'm in the middle. I really need to kind of whatever. And it, when I realized at like 11 PM that night that I couldn't remember the first line. It was like, I was like, what is going on? with my brain. It was so horrible. And I wanted to commit suicide.

24:14Trixie Mattel:But you know what's crazy? The next day, we go in super early. We're probably, you guys have to imagine, in Drag Race time, we're probably doing Glamazon and Airways at 10 in the morning. Yeah. Stone Cold Sober at 10 in the morning. Yeah, yeah. Twice. Twice. So, you're performing, I can remember it like yesterday. Nobody can see. You're in the front. Yeah. The rest of us are behind you doing this. Yeah. So, you're bombing the monologue, and we actually have no idea. That's why we're all like, and you're just flopping literally water well

24:41Katya Zamolodchikova:and water man I knew um but I'm not that's the only thing I hit like so does it but I'm not that was like I hit like one percussive T that's it it was a full shit your diaper and then throw the diaper in the crowd yeah it was a poopy pants total failure twice you failed both times do you realize it's like dying It's like that guy, when we watched that Anna Kendrick thing, choking out, dying, and then being revived and then choked out again. At the moment of the hour. Yeah, it was truly, I mean, I'm not joking and I'm not being like. What did you feel watching it after 10 years? It was so painful.

25:27Katya Zamolodchikova:No, no, no, no, no. I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. Are you fucking kidding me? I can't watch it. You didn't watch it? Nope. I passed forward. I can't watch it. It's like, I don't know what, if my mother got raped. Can I be honest? I watched. It's literally, and I'm not joking. Maybe it makes me a whimper loser, but it's really dramatic.

25:45Trixie Mattel:I watched episode four and watching dreaming, watching that lip sync, watching me lose was surprisingly, I was like, Oh, I don't like this. I didn't like it.

25:57Katya Zamolodchikova:No, I didn't. I knew it was coming. I was like, I don't have the emotional bandwidth. And I'm in a very good, I was in a very good, I'm in a very good headspace yesterday, today. I feel, I love my life. I love you. I love everybody.

26:07Trixie Mattel:I watched it with somebody who knows you and when you started bombing, he was like Yeah, and people need to realize

26:13Katya Zamolodchikova:I forgot how bad it was People need to realize it's like, imagine the worst thing and double it

26:19Trixie Mattel:And in front of RuPaul Double it With all the cameras Like, and they're expecting it And by the way, in Real Drag World if you miss a few lyrics people are so drunk, it's dark No one cares

26:29Katya Zamolodchikova:Nobody cares if you turn around This is well lit

26:30Trixie Mattel:There's nine cameras

26:32Katya Zamolodchikova:Nine cameras It's being recorded from every angle There's nowhere to hide. I could have turned around and they could have caught me. You know what I mean?

26:41Trixie Mattel:But can I play devil's advocate?

26:42Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah.

26:43Trixie Mattel:You had one day. You'd never heard the piece in your life. And you had to spend half the day learning choreography.

26:48Katya Zamolodchikova:And also, I really, really tried. Like, I mean, I really, really tried. I had a notebook like this and I was like, what are all the different ways you could learn? You could memorize something. Write it down. I wrote it down in cursive. I wrote it down in all caps. Like, I really, really tried. And then I, at like 11, 30 or 12, when I was like, I don't think this is going to stick. Then I had to start learning the lip sync song. So I did it. Wait a minute. I had never heard it before.

27:12Trixie Mattel:So you started learning Twist of Fate at like midnight the night before. Yes.

27:16Katya Zamolodchikova:And I learned, I was up until 3 a.m. I was trying to learn both in bed. And I'm not, I'm on the second floor. I can't jump. I thought about, I was like, if I was on the 13th floor. You were my neighbor. I swear to God. Do you remember this? If I was on the 16th floor, I would have killed myself. I'm not joking. I swear. And that's sad.

27:34Trixie Mattel:Do you remember you were my neighbor?

27:35Katya Zamolodchikova:No.

27:35Trixie Mattel:We had a joining balcony. Oh, really? We'd go out there and secret talk. Oh, my God. Don't you remember you would finger me? Don't you remember you would finger me? But I wanted to talk. And you didn't want me to clean out? Do you remember you wanted it kind of rough and wild? You wanted a shitty kitty? Do you remember that girl? Girl. Gross. I know. You are disgusting. I was probably, by day three, I was probably that horny, though.

27:58Katya Zamolodchikova:You're talking about shit. I'm talking about suicide. Right. Let's get it. No, but I'm going to say it again. I'm going to reiterate. I would have killed myself Right If I was on the 20th floor of that building But you didn't Because you know what It gets better It gets better It gets better But I

28:16Trixie Mattel:Oh God The relief I tell you as a viewer It's not You doing poorly at lip syncing A song you learned yesterday Is not The damnation to hell That in the moment You probably thought it was Girl

28:29Katya Zamolodchikova:It was the worst Going Going up for the second pass of it I was like I was like I've never felt this before I've never felt this penetrating all encompassing like full body shame and like failure I was like I've never and I've failed a lot in my life but I've never felt like this is I was like this is the worst feeling I've ever felt 32 years old and it had been to that point and I was pretty bad yeah and I was like a fucking gutter bucket tweaker a lot of shitty fucking things but this was so oh it was so humiliating. But

29:07Trixie Mattel:I did great. I knew my lip syncs. I liked my little glasses. Honestly, looking back, me in a red wig with freckles, I was like, sure, why not? With your blue contacts, like fucking freak. Like, I look crazy, but I liked our outfits. I love the song. Whoever produced the track, Glamazon Airways.

29:24Katya Zamolodchikova:Lovely. Funny.

29:25Trixie Mattel:It's great. It's funny.

29:27Katya Zamolodchikova:Maybe not.

29:28Trixie Mattel:The other group,

29:29Katya Zamolodchikova:they were great.

29:31Trixie Mattel:Jasmine is so funny. Anita Nap, There's a part where Kennedy introduces Kasha Davis. Kasha has a sketch. And Kennedy walks out and says, ladies and gentlemen, Anita Napkin is her name. And Kennedy mouths it like, she's like making faces. Kennedy is so fucking funny.

29:49Katya Zamolodchikova:She's so funny.

29:49Trixie Mattel:She's so funny. When you're not, I don't know. I was young and so obsessed with probably myself trying to, but now watching at this age and really just honestly wanting me to get the fuck out of the way. Because I like other people so much more. every time Kennedy

30:02Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm like Kennedy is so good hysterical even yeah that I've like oh I've seen me I'm like

30:09Trixie Mattel:I hate watching me in this I got up to episode five and now that I'm gone I like love watching it I'm like yeah Despy's I'm like oh yes it's like so fun because I love all of you and I'm sick of seeing me yeah same same

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31:34Trixie Mattel:And you're also out of focus because you're leaned in. You're not even in the light. You're leaned in and you're like, they told me they,

31:41Katya Zamolodchikova:because every note you get in the interview room and oh, and we have to answer some questions from Twitter. Okay. Every note, you get is okay great say it with a little more energy for sure that's every note you get is like okay now say that again just with a little more energy so i'd be like it's gonna be a fucking disaster like that was me the whole time the whole season in that art teacher jacket i know

32:05Trixie Mattel:it's so crazy i it's also worse it's also worth saying that in the interview room we had the same

32:11Katya Zamolodchikova:story producer yeah and that was really lovely and i'm gonna say that interview room especially in that episode, we had one of our producers, whose name is Mish, and then we had one of our camera guys, whose name is Sarge. They were literally like my parents. They were like my support system. You know, a lot of reality TV can be very manipulative. Same in Drag Race too, but they were like, and it sounds so corny, but they were so like, it was like a cocoon of warmth, and it was

32:43Trixie Mattel:very, very sanctuary-like. I remember when I cried in that room, hearing them both cry. Like when I did bad, we all did bad. They were so, they were really there for you. You're away from your family, your boyfriend. You have no cell phone.

32:58Katya Zamolodchikova:No call. You can't call. I can't call my mom and be like, hey, I'm about to, I want to kill myself. Right. And that's why you finger me, you know, to anchor you.

33:08Trixie Mattel:I got to dig out this drag queen across. The grip. I could dangle you off the balcony with this grip. Imagine the grip.

33:14Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm digging out some 24-year-old bucktooth drag queen. My teeth were not bucktooth. They were small. Not bucktooth. No, they were great, actually. They were small. I loved your teeth. I loved your teeth.

33:23Trixie Mattel:Oh, fuck my teeth. You get the new teeth and everyone tells you how great your old teeth were. I know.

33:27Katya Zamolodchikova:That's so nerve. I know, I know. So let's get to the runways. Sorry. I'm sorry, but I look amazing. You do. And I made that outfit head to toe. Not head to toe. Neck to toe. You look amazing. The hair is amazing. The hair is perfect. The face is kind. The outfit is so fucking cute. My body's right. But me and you are the only ones who thought to dress as the help.

33:50Trixie Mattel:Can I tell you, that actually is very insightful. Because can I say, I'm going to be vulnerable. It's crazy that you and I, in no way, we're not the best drag queens there. But look at us now. Yeah. Right? Good for us. But also, you and I are the only people who dress like we worked there. Everyone else dressed like they were rich, famous people flying. and you and I looked like we were serving Diet Cokes in the sky.

34:13Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, Mary, if they said Jets to Eleganza, I'm like, I'm going to be the shortest. Obviously, I've never flown first class. I don't know what dress to go on an airplane like. No way. This trip to California was the first one I've had in like seven years or something. Coach. Absolutely.

34:27Trixie Mattel:Virgin Atlantic. Economy. And I was giving first time flyer. I had no headphones, no book, just raw dog. Just sit and think.

34:35Katya Zamolodchikova:You know? That was like, I didn't think twice about it. Because I was like, oh, I have this cute little retro store to look. It'll be amazing. And then everybody's supposed to just look like they're rich. It's a lame category.

34:47Trixie Mattel:Yeah. I mean, I haven't been watching Untucked, but I remember getting in a fight with people about my outfit in this Untucked because people said that I didn't look like I belonged in a plane. But then also there's that meme of all of us going, oh, yes.

35:03Katya Zamolodchikova:What is that in reference to? I forget.

35:04Trixie Mattel:Well, this is when Jasmine and I got in a fight. remember she said well I look like I'm going to first class she said you look like you're going to a kid's birthday and I go I went to your mom's birthday party like on television so what also that's not a dig you could have also you could have brought her a lovely gift too I mean it just goes to show it's competitive and you just met three days ago we're not friends we don't really know each other and she goes well I look like I belong in you look like you're going to a kid's birthday party and there's a clip of me going and I'm chewing my nail and I go, I went to your mom's birthday party.

35:38Trixie Mattel:Like, what a cunt. And it was so fun. What a cunt. As if I looked so good.

35:44Katya Zamolodchikova:You had a spaceship on your head. On my head.

35:49Trixie Mattel:What the fuck was I wearing?

35:51Katya Zamolodchikova:To be fair, you didn't look like a stewardess. You looked like a Judy Jetson.

35:55Trixie Mattel:I was trying to do future stewardess. Yeah, yeah, okay. I think in my talking head I say, in the future you'll be able to go on a family vacation to the moon. Yeah.

36:02Katya Zamolodchikova:Or something. Whatever.

36:03Trixie Mattel:Your outfit was amazing. I remember there being little stones all over it that don't show up on screen.

36:08Katya Zamolodchikova:No, they were huge. They were SS40, whatever the biggest actual Swarovski, AB. You get nothing. Okay, so I - Because they all came off on the untucked bench. They literally all came off on the untucked couch. Love. Yeah. They were like$10 each. The stones? Yes.

36:28Trixie Mattel:They were like quarter-sized Swarovskis. So I'm safe. Yeah. I think that you're either the tops or the bottoms and you were the bottom. I was in Untucked. So do you remember anything about that judging?

36:41Katya Zamolodchikova:Yes, I remember. So it was Jordan Sparks. Oh, right. Jordan Sparks and Kat Dennings. Olivia Newton-John, obviously, because I did her fucking song right in front of her. So Olivia Newton-John was like this. She's like, this is her. I thought Jordan was great, but this was what I wanted to say. I think that you know what I was really good.

37:04Trixie Mattel:everybody came back and i remember you guys came back to untucked and told us that you couldn't hear talking it was whisper it was a whisper of a whisper i was like thank you

37:12Katya Zamolodchikova:um i i got there it was like they got they said you look so cute but you were horrible pretty much and i was like i i wouldn't you felt you know what i said they said you were perfect have a great day but you know what they didn't include which i remember i apologized as if i I had gunned down every one of the judges' immediate family and graped all of their cousins in front of them. I apologized so profusely. It was kind of pathetic because I thought I had done something so unspeakably horrible on television that has never been filmed before. So they didn't include that.

37:51Trixie Mattel:That's what I, when I, in All Stars, when I bomb Snatch Game, I felt that bad.

37:56Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah.

37:56Trixie Mattel:I felt so embarrassed. I felt like I had pissed on something good. I reflected bad on the show

38:02Katya Zamolodchikova:well also I felt like I ruined a fucking perfect challenge you didn't ruin it I mean it would have been so great like it would have been amazing

38:11Trixie Mattel:I forget who was the bottom three who was almost in the bottom

38:14Katya Zamolodchikova:fame was it fame I think it's fame

38:18Trixie Mattel:I think fame was almost in the bottom

38:22Katya Zamolodchikova:yeah and then Sasha obviously

38:25Trixie Mattel:Sasha Bell it's crazy to watch her her runway is awful. Her hair is awful. Her dress is awful. She looks nothing like that now in drag. She is a totally different thing. She really looks bad.

38:38Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, it's just bad.

38:39Trixie Mattel:And it's you and her on the bottom. And Twisted Fate is a great song, but I also had never heard it. I had never heard it.

38:46Katya Zamolodchikova:Luckily, it is a good song. And it is well written. And it's just something about it can stick. Yes. I mean, I really, really learned it, tried to learn it. and I just had to pull out every fucking thing I had. And I was the first one ever to do a slow split on Drag Race, I believe. Okay, can I play part of the song quick? I think no one had ever done a slow split because the splits are tired, but I don't think ever anybody did a slow split.

39:22Katya Zamolodchikova:It's really Slay. It's a great song. And it's a good performing song. Yes. It's a good momentum. Yes. It has build. It has release. It's a very good, and it has a great little like bridge. It's cunty.

39:36Trixie Mattel:So that starts. I remember standing and watching you do the back thing when the slow slits started. I mean, the thing is you have to remember we don't know anything about each other. We've never, none of us have ever seen each other lip sync. So when someone lip syncs for the first time, it's very, because you get to assess their skill level.

39:54Katya Zamolodchikova:and I so up into that point when the music started I was like I'm gonna kill her you did yeah you knew you were gonna win I said I'm gonna kill this girl like you're like in my mind and not not lip sync in real life and not content no I was like I was at that moment I knew I'm gonna beat this bitch up I just thought I was like I was like I felt so desperate and I felt so like helpless. I was like, I'm going to destroy this young girl. Right. Like, and not like, I like, I'm going to win. I don't know. It was just like, I have to stay. Like, I have to stay. I can't go home. It's like not an option.

40:31Katya Zamolodchikova:Right. So you really slayed. Yeah. I think it was a good thing because then I got to show that I was good at something. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, cause otherwise I kind of don't really have a lot of displayable talent the whole season. Same.

40:44Trixie Mattel:Not really. No. Can I say, what I'm reminded of watching. We're not very good. No, I know. What I'm reminded of watching this is that you and I are not very good. Mid. Very mid. Very mid. Very mid. We're fun and we say funny things and maybe people like to be around us. We're not superior drag queens. No.

41:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Like even the challenges I won. So I should have won maybe 10 with you and not the Merle Ginsberg. I am so bad at Merle Ginsberg.

41:14Trixie Mattel:I don't know why.

41:14Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there, but I know why I won because they couldn't give Ginger 17 wins. I know. That's why. But if they knew how it was going to shake down, they would have made me win tan with you.

41:26Trixie Mattel:Also, shout out to Kennedy Davenport's runway with the one spit curl. She's also stewardess.

41:32Katya Zamolodchikova:Yes, she was and she wouldn't admit it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. I don't think she said she was stewardess. I think that -

41:38Trixie Mattel:She was like Jetsons too. She looked like a stewardess, but I don't think she owned up to it. Well, I remember Jasmine was like, what are you dressed as? I'm like,

41:46Katya Zamolodchikova:a stewardess.

41:47Trixie Mattel:You are a self-proclaimed super fan of Kennedy Davenport who is dressed as a stewardess sitting next to you.

41:51Katya Zamolodchikova:I know. We could work for,

41:53Trixie Mattel:me and Kennedy go to work for competing airlines at the same time. You know? Can I say, Jasmine's runway was one of my favorites. The giant platter earrings. Somebody as small as Jasmine in a huge wig, it's Trolls 2. Oh, yeah. It's so awesome. She's got that little suit, that dynasty suit. She looks so great. Yeah. She's honestly my, her, she's like my favorite part of watching Drag Race so far. Oh, God.

42:13Katya Zamolodchikova:It's just such a bummer that she got Trolls 2. I know. It is such a, cause, and also like, she is probably one of the, I would say that one of the number one reasons, like I didn't go totally insane. Cause she really was a hoot off camera.

42:25Trixie Mattel:And she did not carry the burden of, I have to do well.

42:29Katya Zamolodchikova:No, she was just there to do drag. And she was there to, she was literally herself fucking hysterical. Everything that came out of her mouth was just so fucking funny. And so nice. So nice.

42:40Trixie Mattel:I tried to bother her for a voice note for this episode and she'll, sometimes I won't we text a lot and I won't hear from her and then I'll get a bunch of texts from her so I think she's a person who puts their phone down for hours at a time which is probably good

42:54Katya Zamolodchikova:she's living her life and she's bisexual she is? hell yeah oh right

42:57Trixie Mattel:Guadalupe McGillicuddy

42:59Katya Zamolodchikova:Guadalupe McGillicuddy and almost married that bitch

43:01Trixie Mattel:she got that good I mean I'm sorry

43:04Katya Zamolodchikova:like this is not Drag Race related but that monologue now I if I had to lip sync that fellas do you like good juicy pussy find yourself a big girl let me tell you I mean that is entirely. That is better than Hamlet, better than Macbeth, better than the Declaration of Independence. That thing should be in the fucking Library of Congress. As a matter of fact, Guadalupe, McGillicuddy, if you're out there, go contact because you had some good old juicy yank yank. I am Jasmine Masters, and I have something to say. Do you like your asshole busted wide open? Do you like your asshole just sprawled and spread the wide?

43:43Katya Zamolodchikova:If so, let me tell you how to make that happen. Find you one of them thick boys because them thick boys have these big cucumber dicks. I have seen so many big dicks on thick chubby boys than the lol out. And I know a lot of y 'all like getting your asses busted the wide open to where you can't shit proper the next day. You got to have a damn maxi pad in the back because you're bleeding. If you like all that, please go find you one of the big boys. I'm telling I'm telling you, 40 % of these big boys got the andacondas, these cucumber dicks. I had to tell one baby, I'm not that gay. I can't take all that dick.

44:21Katya Zamolodchikova:That's a lot of dick. You ain't going to try it. I ain't going to try it. Thank you for showing me. But I'm going to find you somebody who can take all that dick. That's too much dick. I'm not that gay. But if you like a lot of big dick, go find you one of them big boys. They got some big old dicks.

44:36Trixie Mattel:She's in a dressing room saying this. And in the background, there's just some drag queen with no wig on putting lipstick on.

44:41Katya Zamolodchikova:She's either in her car, filmed at a very unflattering angle. She's like, she is so. I also love the meme of her. Oh, it's so fucking funny.

44:50Trixie Mattel:Like, this is before Jasmine. Sprawled. I had like really hit. Sprawled. Do you remember the clip of her talking and there's gunshots out the window and she ducks? Yes. And she goes, oh, not my name. We go to work. That bitch is so funny. Also, Taco Bell. Yes, I would like to come down and fill in an application. Thank you so much. So effortless. And I oop. And I oop. Made it to the Kardashians. And also, do you not taste that breath? That shit in your mouth?

45:16Katya Zamolodchikova:That fucker is so funny. Effortlessly iconic. In a world where so many people are trying to get a catchphrase in the books, she's just flinging them out. She can't help. She can't help. She can't help. It's so natural.

45:30Trixie Mattel:You can't even train somebody to have what she has, which is like real charisma.

45:35Katya Zamolodchikova:It's like Tiffany Pollard. You know what I mean? It's like she's got something that she's born with It's not learned. It's just natural. It's innate and it's dazzling. She's like star power.

45:45Trixie Mattel:She's awesome. Yeah.

45:46Katya Zamolodchikova:But a terrible actor.

45:47Trixie Mattel:And she can eat anything. Oh my God. And have an eight pack.

45:50Katya Zamolodchikova:Shout out to Jasmine's body.

45:52Trixie Mattel:Jasmine fucking master. She's got it.

45:54Katya Zamolodchikova:She's got it. It's so wild. Hasn't exercised a day in her fucking life.

45:59Trixie Mattel:And I remember she used to tell me, girl, when I have the brunch gigs, I just put on the door of the Explorer. She would call that little Bob the door of the Explorer. And she said, I just put on lip gloss. No, eyeshadow or nothing. I said, you better work, bitch. Damn. And if you've never seen her do Patty, she kicks both shoes off and rolls around on the ground.

46:14Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, we were on tour together and she, there was a - She rolled on the stairs. Yeah, the staircase. The staircase.

46:19Trixie Mattel:She rolled on a staircase with no shoes on.

46:21Katya Zamolodchikova:It was really something. And she goes buck wild.

46:24Trixie Mattel:She's amazing.

46:25Katya Zamolodchikova:Anyway, you're safe. Congratulations. Yes, I feel very good. Were you surprised? No. You knew you ate her up. I knew I was going to win. Okay. Yeah, I just, I had an, I'm not, no offense to Sasha, but like I had an inkling, like I was like, I felt like I looked so good too I don't know I didn't feel cocky You want me to respond to that? Okay, I also thought you looked good I feel like I'm sounding cocky I did not feel cocky I didn't really feel confident I felt like Imperative You were great

46:53Trixie Mattel:And you looked incredible This is one of my favorite looks of yours from the whole season

46:57Katya Zamolodchikova:It was my favorite look Do you still have it?

47:00Trixie Mattel:No Why did I get rid of all my shitty season 7 drive? Now I wish I had it I sold everything Me too To fans

47:06Katya Zamolodchikova:I sold it to fans Well, you know what the funny thing is? I sold it to some people. They have it archived. I could just buy it back. They're taking better care of it than I would have.

47:15Trixie Mattel:All my All-Stars costumes I sold at a rummage sale in LA. Yeah.

47:18Katya Zamolodchikova:It's whatever. I don't like Horton shit. Well, that's the episode. Before we go, can we talk a little bit about the promo shoot for season seven? Okay. Yes. Because this was a turning point for me. It was absolutely the most fun I've had the whole season. I had a blast.

47:34Trixie Mattel:We didn't really go together. No, so the cast was 14 drag queens. Seven of us shot in the morning and seven of us shot in the afternoon. Girl. I was in the evening. Mama. Me and Pearl. Pearl. Pearlina.

47:45Katya Zamolodchikova:Pearlita. Little Miss Pearlina did not shave her face that morning. This was so incredible to me because my opinion of her changed so dramatically. I was like, this girl is so hot. She's so cool. This is very strange. I'm kind of intimidated by her. She showed up looking like whodunit and ran that morning. I was like, oh, she is weird. And she didn't give a fuck. Like she ain't going to win for sure.

48:10Trixie Mattel:I remember her meet the Queens, like her being like, she looked horrible. And by the way, I worked with Pearl before Drag Race. Pearl always looked good. Yeah. So for promo, it was like, oh, what are you?

48:21Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. It's like, what's the deal? It was very puzzling, but I had a blast because that is where I shine that format where it's not competition. If it's just like talking head with prompts, but honestly, girl, the direction was great. Nada. I don't want to be a hater.

48:36Trixie Mattel:I'll be the hater. But I just want to talk about Madeline Ashton. Like, the fact that in season six, there's a glitter cannon, there's RuPaul turns into a panther, giant teacup.

48:49Katya Zamolodchikova:Disney sets, like, jackhammers. They made Kelly Mantle look glam. Okay? How did they do it? They had that lighting on

48:58Trixie Mattel:a laganja with the... It was like... And then slow motion Darien Lake titties bouncing, jackhammering, and then we get there. You better get out the white wall. And they said, we're giving very Terry Richardson. I said, what? You're giving very Grapist? But also, Terry Richardson, as if I knew what that was.

49:17Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, yeah. Terry Richardson is who she. You know what it is? It gives that grad student trying to get their way backstage to the gig saying, I really want to capture the texture of you out of drag. Like, you know what I mean? That kind of like raw and real.

49:29Trixie Mattel:The direction was walk to this point on the white wall and turn and pose. and it was just white walls. It was blue banisters. It was, it was white linens. It was, it wasn't even the men in music business. Well, they told me we want very front flash, candid American apparel was a reference. Yeah. Yeah.

49:46Katya Zamolodchikova:So, so then, but we did not choose our own outfits. Okay. So I brought one and they said, no. Okay. They said it's ugly. Yeah. They, we, they consulted with us prior to arrival and I just didn't have anything or I guess. So I showed up In the styling The The styling table And all of the options Were so fucking Not me I hated your outfit I hated it too And it wasn't me A jean jacket With a white beaded swimsuit A white beaded swimsuit Busted jewelry And the hair was a fucking mess What is that hair? It was a mess It was a shit It was like Two-sealed fucked hair Like slut Was that intentional?

50:26Trixie Mattel:I don't know

50:27Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean The result was What was Decoy the product at that moment? Not present. They had hair on staff. The girl taking a nap under the table. So I, you know, the Meet the Queen or the promo, I'm a Willem impersonator. That was it. I was like, that is a Willem impersonator. That was the shit that I got. But then when the Meet the Queens came out, there was a different story.

50:54Trixie Mattel:To be honest, for how bad I looked at the time, I looked great in that promo. The numbers dress, the body's amazing. The hair on one side is good. My makeup looks so bad, but in this particular picture, I think I look pretty good for how old that photo is.

51:07Katya Zamolodchikova:The nerve. You know what? I felt very, I felt very like, mother, why did you do this to us? Because that whore came out looking the best she's ever looked. Raymond? Fucking like. Oh, yeah. Rue. Yeah. The side fucking pony. She looked so cunt. And she did not look like a drag queen. She looked like a cunty bitch. Do you know what I mean? She looked cool. I think she looked like a drag queen. You do? I thought she looked cool. Like, not like glam.

51:33Trixie Mattel:Well, she also had the rips with the boobs showing. It was like a, like slits.

51:36Katya Zamolodchikova:I thought she looked cool. I really, you didn't like it.

51:40Trixie Mattel:Um, it's not one of my favorite Drag Race promos at all. No, no, no, no. Including RuPaul.

51:44Katya Zamolodchikova:No, no, no. I hated the promo. I liked her in it though. Oh, sure. She even, the lighting was not doing her any favors. They didn't have the glimmer glass, but I just thought that whole look was so cool.

51:54Trixie Mattel:Do you remember how it opened? It's RuPaul. and she goes, I'm just a little girl. I'm just, what is it? I'm just a simple girl with a little reality show.

52:03Katya Zamolodchikova:Love that. Yeah. It had so much potential. It had so much, it wanted to be fierce. It wasn't.

52:08Trixie Mattel:White walls was the craziest thing.

52:10Katya Zamolodchikova:I get it though. Everybody looked bad. But because I understand like the... Me, I'm just a humble gal with a little reality show. And this season's queens are a pretty straightforward bunch. It sounds real. It sounds amazing. I'm getting full body chills. I'm not joking, though. But the visual element, when you watch it, you're like, ugh.

52:36Trixie Mattel:Also, they have us all, I would say compared to other seasons, they have us saying truly combative things. Yeah. It's like, I'm a real bitch. Because I'm better than you.

52:45Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm a real bitch. I will cut a bitch. I will shank a bitch. It's very combative. Bitch. Candy. My only weaknesses are you and a beauty. Love I'm intimidated by these girls Max I'm not Fame Horrible actor

53:03Trixie Mattel:These ladies have nothing to hide I want to win because I'm better than you I got some coins to win And a nice crown to be on top of my head

53:13Katya Zamolodchikova:Sweaty, they didn't mop her out I'll trip a bitch, I'll cut up the bitch, I'll poison a bitch We have not talked about J.D. B. or Pierce once

53:20Trixie Mattel:I'm not here to make strands

53:23Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm just here to like steal stuff And that's all there is to it.

53:30Trixie Mattel:I don't even think they show me in that promo.

53:33Katya Zamolodchikova:No, you do this. You go once. There's like four queens who have no lines and just do this.

53:39Trixie Mattel:I'm like someone's married and cousin that's like has to be in the family photo.

53:42Katya Zamolodchikova:It was such a bad promo because it was, well, first of all, the lack of like coverage.

53:48Trixie Mattel:Well, then you cut to like Nina West standing in front of a giant mascara while I'm being like,

53:51Katya Zamolodchikova:you ready for a shout? Like, where do we get that? Or like, you know, riding a disco ball through Times Square. Girl. It's like, where?

53:58Trixie Mattel:I go to Queen of the Universe, they put me at a giant disco ball. Yeah.

54:01Katya Zamolodchikova:It was so flagrantly like just a failure.

54:05Trixie Mattel:All Stars 3 was all gold.

54:06Katya Zamolodchikova:It was so opulent. Season 7 was so corny boots. I got you beat because both of my fucking promos were shitty. I got the worst two promos of the whole fucking franchise. All Stars 2 was a afterthought. It was nothing. No cohesion. No help. nothing. No, no promo. We didn't have a fucking promo. We did not have a promo.

54:30Trixie Mattel:No commercial. The Queens thing.

54:32Katya Zamolodchikova:No commercial. We didn't have one.

54:34Trixie Mattel:Love it. Cunty.

54:36Katya Zamolodchikova:The best season of all stars.

54:38Trixie Mattel:No promo. No cap. Um, I think that season seven promo was just, um, it was the first time Hollywood disappointed me. And it was the first time of many, but I remember being like, wow, Wow. Things sure look different around here because something we're not talking about, I know we're running out of time, is we also had the first non-untucked in an interior illusions lounge.

55:02Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, I know.

55:03Trixie Mattel:They were just like, here's your curtain. We felt like - Here's your five gallon bucket and your curtain. Here are the scraps from the upstairs that you can gnaw on. And here's your depressive 30 minute untucked that's YouTube only. Depression. Remember the untucked beginning? It was like the last moment. It was like the end of the peewee documentary. It was so morose. And also Kennedy falling asleep. Every day.

55:24Katya Zamolodchikova:Like. Snoring. And no direction. It was just like, we're going to film. And it was like, only like at the latter half, I feel like I started to go a little wild and have fun with it just because I was like, there's cameras on me. I should do something. But like, it was bad. Again, it was realness. It was awful. The whole thing was realness. They were going for a real behind, like real, not, you know, It's a flop. It's a flop.

55:52Trixie Mattel:And Untucked being on television and being 30 minutes and directly following Drag Race, people would watch both.

55:59Katya Zamolodchikova:And that's how you got to know the characters. Nobody was watching season seven Untucked. Nobody. And that's how you got to know the characters right away. And that's how you could help or hinder your image. You know what I mean? Like that's how your character was like, nobody got to know anybody. Also, sometimes Untucked is better than everybody. Yeah. Like the one with Laganja, I feel very attacked. Wait, was that Untucked?

56:20Trixie Mattel:Yes. Untucked. Bianca, what do you do well? Quickly. Yeah, it's iconic. That's where the good shit happens. Yeah. Teleporters to Mars. Like Fifi versus Willem, Untucked. It's just, it's gold. It's reality gold. Latrice in Untucked. Yeah, yeah. Like, I was so, between that and the promo, I was like, what, am I on Drag Race?

56:42Katya Zamolodchikova:Then why are you talking?

56:43Trixie Mattel:Tatiana, come on. It's like. Jujubee whipping the lash off and hitting the ground.

56:47Katya Zamolodchikova:It's so fierce. Drunk. People drunk.

56:51Trixie Mattel:Can I be honest? The one week drink every two days was one of...

56:56Katya Zamolodchikova:Why don't you just put a spike up my dick hole? Girl, let me boof it.

57:02Trixie Mattel:If I'm going to get one shot, let me put it up. No champagne, no cocaine. What kind of untucked is this? Anyway, well, congratulations. It's crazy. Can I say it's crazy to think you could have gone home second.

57:12Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah.

57:14Trixie Mattel:And I wish you would have. And if it was up to me.

57:18Katya Zamolodchikova:Who was I talking to? Oh, Andrew. I was doing something for a gig that I have. I was like, do you realize I wouldn't be doing this right now? Because I wouldn't be this right now. I'd probably be either dead in a ditch. What is it? A pig dead under a mattress in a drug den. That's me. But shout out to Olivia Newton. We have a crack problem. We have a crack problem. We have a crack problem. She's trying to go. Shanghai! Shanghai! It's great.

57:47Trixie Mattel:Coming up. Coming up. We have to wrap here, but I'll tell you, watching Drag Race, season seven, it doesn't even feel like we're watching us. I feel like I'm watching other people.

57:57Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, you know what, though? I am continuously surprised because I don't have great skin. I never wore a stitch of makeup out of drag on this show. And that lighting really got a girl together. Yeah. Because that 32-year-old man has beautiful skin. Better than it actually was. You do look really young. I look young. And my lips weren't as thin and villainous as I recall. No, you had lips. But I certainly do do the same, like, just basic face the whole time. You look better now. Yeah.

58:23Trixie Mattel:But you don't look horrible.

58:25Katya Zamolodchikova:No, no, no, no, no. I know. But, like, the lighting is great on drags.

58:28Trixie Mattel:Yeah, it is.

58:29Katya Zamolodchikova:And also, I wanted to mention in the first one that my primary fear was lack of air conditioning. Because that was always my thing in drag. How I hated jocks was never air conditioning. So I thought my undoing on dragers was sure to be the lack of AC. It was 40 degrees. Yeah.

58:44Trixie Mattel:Cold.

58:46Katya Zamolodchikova:Freezing.

58:46Trixie Mattel:Freezing. Okay. Well, thank you. Oh, don't we have Twitter questions? I thought you said, yeah, there was one.

58:52Katya Zamolodchikova:Um, so, uh, Vlada wanted to know what is the process like, um, filming the confessionals? Do we do them every day? And do we do them? Like, when is the timing of that? And I can't believe that we do this. We get out of drag with Albaline and go right into the fucking room.

59:11Trixie Mattel:The first one ready goes right in.

59:13Katya Zamolodchikova:That is fucking crazy to me.

59:15Trixie Mattel:Yeah.

59:15Katya Zamolodchikova:Like, when I'm thinking about doing gigs now, I de-drag. I look like a goblin for 36 hours.

59:20Trixie Mattel:Oh, yeah.

59:21Katya Zamolodchikova:But we are freshly de-dragged, like almost in a hurry. Yeah. This is the first time I've ever used Albaline. Never used that before in my life. Or I used to use dish soap. Dawn dishwasher.

59:30Trixie Mattel:That's crazy.

59:31Katya Zamolodchikova:No, this is the first time I've ever de-dragged without a shower.

59:35Trixie Mattel:Right. That's gross, too. Ugh. Swamp ass. After you've been tucked for six, eight hours. 10 yeah

59:44Katya Zamolodchikova:and we did it right after so like you would you'd go do this fucking interminable challenge or runway and then you go right in for like an hour

59:51Trixie Mattel:what can I tell you in season 7 we did them at the end of the day in All Stars we did them before shooting I and guess who went first you the only person they knew would do it on time I would be in that interview chair at 7.30 in the morning 8 in the morning talking about things that happened yesterday baby on All Stars 2 we did them on the weekends

1:00:08Katya Zamolodchikova:once so I would have to go in for four hours and describe the whole week. This, I actually, while it was very difficult, this was much more natural. I prefer end of the day.

1:00:19Trixie Mattel:You have all, the emotions are all authentic. When somebody just went home and you get to immediately go talk about it, it's so exciting.

1:00:25Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Or when you just slip sink to that day. Or when you just slip sink to that day. Or something crazy happened or whatever. It's like you actually, because we're not acting. Yeah. It's reality. So like, if I have to reproduce an authentic emotion from Tuesday and it's Saturday afternoon, like what the fuck? Right. So, but yeah. It depends on the season.

1:00:43Trixie Mattel:I know we got to go. I really will say watching you lip sync. I haven't seen that lip sync in so long. You really are a beautiful woman, a good lip syncer.

1:00:51Katya Zamolodchikova:I used to be.

1:00:53Trixie Mattel:You are. You are spectacular in that lip sync.

1:00:55Katya Zamolodchikova:Thank you.

1:00:56Trixie Mattel:Like you, I really, you really forget Sasha's there. I mean, I hate to say it.

1:00:59Katya Zamolodchikova:I was for that minute they showed. Right. Because mama, let me tell you something that other three minutes.

1:01:06Trixie Mattel:Also, sometimes the songs have long intros and it starts and you just are like, yeah.

1:01:11Katya Zamolodchikova:For like a while. Yeah, for a girl. For a long time. It's like, oh, the bridge. I haven't even got the left. Another chorus?

1:01:17Trixie Mattel:These old disco songs with a musical interlude where you're just twirling.

1:01:20Katya Zamolodchikova:Some of these tracks are like four minutes.

1:01:23Trixie Mattel:Yeah.

1:01:23Katya Zamolodchikova:Which is the, you want two and a half minutes up there. None of them are two and a half minutes. They're all three plus. I wish they would cut like a shortcut of the song. I know.

1:01:33Trixie Mattel:But they need more. They need more. What about rap music? Girl, All Stars 3, First Lip Sync, Anaconda, Nicki Minaj.

1:01:40Katya Zamolodchikova:oh I hate that song

1:01:44Trixie Mattel:we're all trying to learn Nicki Minaj music hope you guys enjoy this we're doing this in a big batch and what if after the first episode people like hate hearing this shit shout out to the ran through dolls I want to dedicate this shirt to the ran through dolls

1:01:59Katya Zamolodchikova:I'd like to dedicate this shit to your mother wait

1:02:02Trixie Mattel:is this to RuPaul's TikTok oh my god that's actually so slay I wish she would sell that

1:02:10Katya Zamolodchikova:she can I'll have I'll have Michi send it to her also pouring out for Sasha Bell and pouring out for my dignity I wish

1:02:17Trixie Mattel:I didn't get a voice note from her but can I plug her incredible sex career I surely have yanked it and paid for it last time I seen him I was in town with him and in person I just was like he's so my god he's so handsome so handsome and so nice yeah and Sasha does go by Frisbee Jenkins now big fierce butt big fierce butt thick oh yeah thiccums yeah yeah um sasha goes by frisbee jenkins now and if you go to the instagram drag has significantly changed very different style i like a little like kiss makeup almost big drawn on shapes neon um very cool but go support the lovely frisbee jenkins iowa gal yeah i will bye