RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 Ep 4: "A Soufflé of Judgement & Humiliation" with Trixie and Katya

7:28Katya Zamolodchikova:so Jasmine went home that sucks

7:32Trixie Mattel:damn I didn't take any notes for this episode perfect

7:35Katya Zamolodchikova:I went from 3 to 5 trauma blocked it out this one not my favorite episode although it is the hardest probably one of the hardest days you know we go in I believe

7:47Trixie Mattel:is there a mini challenge?

7:48Katya Zamolodchikova:I wanna suck your cock is there a mini challenge? no I don't think there is no because we have so much to do We have so much to do. No mini challenge means it's going to be a full fucking day, ho.

8:01Trixie Mattel:Yeah. We break into groups. I don't remember even how we got what groups.

8:06Katya Zamolodchikova:It's whoever you were next to, I believe. Oh, I think, yeah. It seemed rando. I think they lined us. Maybe I'm wrong. God, if I'm wrong, that's really. We did. Okay, we picked our. Oh, no, we picked our own groups. We did. Because you picked me. Did I pick you?

8:20Trixie Mattel:Yeah, third. How did I get to pick something? Because Jaden, Max, and Zyra are left alone because they were kind of like, Again, the storyline of no one wanting to pick Violet. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

8:32Katya Zamolodchikova:What? No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Are you sure there wasn't a mini challenge?

8:38Trixie Mattel:Reading.

8:39Katya Zamolodchikova:No, wait a minute.

8:40Trixie Mattel:It's not reading yet. Okay, we don't know. I did watch it. I did watch it too. And I lived it. I still don't fucking know.

8:47Katya Zamolodchikova:By the way, shout out - Shout out to a series that you did. Oh, yeah. Rugrats.

8:53Trixie Mattel:No, it was Rugrats.

8:55Katya Zamolodchikova:Rugrats.

8:56Trixie Mattel:Rugrats. and you did it all from memory before the season came out which is very crazy not nda compliant

9:03Katya Zamolodchikova:and also like i think it's fine it is fine i i think i asked one of the producers where i didn't but i asked for forgiveness rather than permission um i didn't but of course my memory is all stuff that i did and that of course didn't air because i think i'm the center of the universe and then i watch the show and I'm in it maybe 10%, you know?

9:23Trixie Mattel:Yeah. So it is illuminating to watch it. And we remember it from our perspective and you watch it and you and I are so other than our interviews, you and I are so mid.

9:33Katya Zamolodchikova:We're so mid and guess what? That's the kiss of death. Baby, that's the kiss of death on reality. If you're mid, you're gone. We're mid. They want low and high. They want

9:41Trixie Mattel:nothing in the middle. Friendly and moderately good at drag. Okay. Okay. Nice. Middle number.

9:48Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, yeah. Very middle number. Four to six. We're giving three. Sometimes we're giving two, you know, three to six. I mean, six is a little high for me, but yeah. So it's a little humiliating to be in the middle because you get thrown out. It's on the cutting room floor.

10:02Trixie Mattel:Yeah. So RuPaul says that we are going to be spoofing the greatest artist of all time. Herself. And then she goes, me, which I do love. Yeah, that's great. I love. Yeah. Raymond is also exploring these. Raymond? I've been calling her Raymond. She's also been exploring these. I love her outfits this season. Oh, yeah. We're color blocked, polka dot, pop fantasy, bright color. Yeah. This is like RuPaul kind of. Before she was like all the awards RuPaul, RuPaul's kind of dressing funky and gay. Not that she's not funky and gay now, but now she looks so rich.

10:34Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

10:34Trixie Mattel:RuPaul this time did seem like she's got funky fucking clothes.

10:37Katya Zamolodchikova:She wears some big ass shoes as a man. Yeah. I don't know how she squeezes them tootsies into those ladies shoes. Open toe. Cuts them off.

10:45Trixie Mattel:So we get into groups. I think it's me, you, Fame, and Pearl. Yep. Very puzzling. Puzzling crew. No, didn't they just do it? No. I don't know. Because why do we have four?

11:01Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, maybe we just grabbed each other. Oh, that's what we did. We just grabbed each other. Go get into a group quick. That's what we did. Which, by the way, as if there's time to strategize.

11:10Trixie Mattel:No, no, no.

11:11Katya Zamolodchikova:It was just, by the way, I had full body chills. I hate that I hate that I hate that because I don't want to get left alone or with somebody bad

11:23Trixie Mattel:but I also don't want to get grabbed by someone that I don't want to be with like get out of here you bum yeah yeah oh hey yeah yeah yeah I don't know

11:31Katya Zamolodchikova:no because we were next to each other we were next to each other we were close to each other or not proximity I think yeah and also I just liked her I think I liked him you know well I know you weren't a fucking asshole or dingbat or like I thought you were funny yeah

11:44Trixie Mattel:but we had not I mean, viewers, no. We have not established a friendship really whatsoever.

11:50Katya Zamolodchikova:But it's clear that you're a personable young man. Yes, and I guess parody. Okay, I had just watched you do – I knew you could do dumb shit.

12:01Trixie Mattel:So I'm sure that was part of it. It was like, okay, Pearl was my friend. And honestly, watching this show, I know that fame comes off very – I wrote this down too. Fame comes off very crazy. fame has a very grounding presence though she's a very nice person i think you liked fame i actually

12:19Katya Zamolodchikova:no i know no no i think you looked up to fame and i liked her i did not she was 10 years older than

12:27Trixie Mattel:me yeah okay that's two yeah i think i'm i was 24 at the time she was 30 she was 29 she was oh sorry she was three years younger than me um no also she was sober and so beautiful i kind of thought, okay, we have a good vibe and since I'm so mid, let me stand next to this person who's slightly less mid at drag.

12:49Katya Zamolodchikova:Let me stand next to the most breathtaking creature in this competition.

12:53Trixie Mattel:That's what I mean.

12:53Katya Zamolodchikova:Let me experience

12:55Trixie Mattel:the spillover of some of that beauty.

12:57Katya Zamolodchikova:Let me get some of her golden shadow. Which, by the way, when you look like me,

13:01Trixie Mattel:the strategy is not, I should stand as close as I can to fame. Who's the biggest booger?

13:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Who's the biggest booger I can pick to you? I say get over here. So we have, she says something so chilling in this episode, like suck your cock. Oh yes. Oh my God. It makes me want to gouge out everybody's eyes in this one.

13:26Katya Zamolodchikova:When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy. I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial.

14:09Katya Zamolodchikova:Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks. All with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives. And if I'm traveling with friends, even better.

14:42Katya Zamolodchikova:We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb. When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy.

15:28Katya Zamolodchikova:I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial. Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks.

16:01Katya Zamolodchikova:All with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives. And if I'm traveling with friends, even better. We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse.

16:37Katya Zamolodchikova:However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb. When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy. I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak.

17:15Katya Zamolodchikova:After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial. Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks, all with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives.

17:55Katya Zamolodchikova:And if I'm traveling with friends, even better. We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb.

18:19Trixie Mattel:And this is the beginning of something I really hate, which is I hate jokes in Drag Race that are just about Drag Race. Yeah. And so it starts to cannibalize itself after season six. And so the other two groups doing entire parodies about Drag Race to me was like, no. Okay, so. But obviously I made the wrong decision there.

18:48Katya Zamolodchikova:So. But we have, our number is silly. It's dumb. But it is, I think it's the best. I do too. Because the others are so best. I don't know what to say. I like I watch the girls and I was like, I was fully preparing for Ginger, Kennedy, Candy and Kasha to be like slaying it. I hated their song.

19:09Trixie Mattel:I hated it. I mean, Ginger kind of can do. Should we just go through the groups? Yeah. This challenge does go basic. Well, before we do it, do you remember Fame and Pearl fighting? Because I do. Yes, I do. Yeah. Fame and Pearl day to day. Because I was like, do you hate each other? Like they were fighting all the time.

19:27Katya Zamolodchikova:But it's also, it was a very tense situation because we had to come up with choreo by ourselves. I hate that.

19:34Trixie Mattel:Yeah.

19:35Katya Zamolodchikova:I hate that.

19:36Trixie Mattel:And by the way, the person leading the choreo is Fame. Yeah. Explain that.

19:40Katya Zamolodchikova:Crazy. We needed a Laganja, someone who was like, all right, you fucking potatoes. Right. This is what we're doing. Yes. Do it again. Point the toe. Do it again. Do it again. Do it again. Do it again. Bam, bam, bam. But we were just so indecisive and Fame is such a scatterbrained person.

19:52Trixie Mattel:And I'm not a leader in that way. No. So it's like you and I on the sides watching fame and Pearl argue and tell us what to do. You and I look like children of abuse because they're fighting in the middle. And you know, I on the sides like. Yeah. And it's yeah. We're just like a silent witness, silently witnessing it and like watching it unravel already. Yeah. So but can I be honest? I it's been 10 years and obviously I haven't thought about it a long time or really. But I watch it. I thought, well, this is going to be the moment where I realize how bad we were now that I, you know. Yeah. It's not bad.

20:24Trixie Mattel:It's not good, but it's not the worst. No, no, no. I'm not the best, but I'm not the worst. It's really not the worst. No. I don't like the get ready to clock. I didn't respond to that.

20:34Katya Zamolodchikova:I hated that. And I didn't respond to that at all. No, because it's a terrible concept. And also, like, for example, so shady. It was just like, Courtney doesn't have a big personality. It's like, that's not the right verbiage, Michelle. But like, no one should try to be Courtney. Because you can't. I could. Nobody could be Courtney. Courtney is Courtney. And she's good. And I will. And I'll do it again. You could be, um, Porkney.

21:03Katya Zamolodchikova:Porkney. Porkney ass. Porkney ass. No. Um, and also like being Bianca is not, to me is not funny.

21:11Trixie Mattel:I actually think Jaden did the best.

21:13Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. She was the best. She was the best. And then who is the, um, a door.

21:17Trixie Mattel:Violet was a door. It was just,

21:19Katya Zamolodchikova:you know, but not great. And also it was just, I just get cringed out by something that is overly referencing the room and then later seasons and I felt some type of way about how they ridiculed Laganja on her season and then literally adopted her whole lexicon and then used it to create challenges in subsequent seasons I thought that was so crazy they made her sound like a fucking idiot They like literally humiliated her. I know I've said this before. It's beating a dead horse.

21:55Trixie Mattel:But sometimes things you say in drag when you have a platform, I hear people say things that you and I say on this pod as inside jokes. I hear people say, pull the pad. And they don't know that it came from us. Oh, wow. I don't even think it came from us. But like jerking it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like horny. That's very horny. Yeah, yeah. I've been hearing people say that and I don't even think they hear it from us. Interesting. So sometimes I think Drag Race accidentally, like when the, no, I mean when the show comes out and the whole world is saying Laganja phrases, then Drag Race is like, oh, maybe that did eat.

22:29Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Let me. But that's like shitty. It's like, you should like, don't, it's not even that simple because they like continued. I don't know. I don't know. It's just weird to me. I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. But I also think that there, it's like, don't do that. Yeah. You know? Anyway, so we have to do, we have to do tan. I love my look. I had fun. Oh, you look amazing. I had fun. Pearl looks great. Fame looks great.

22:55Trixie Mattel:Fame looked wonderful. I look okay for this time in my career. Fame really worked that sunburn out. She looked great. She looked fabulous. I actually think her on her knees sucking the dick was maybe one of the only parts I really liked. I loved it when we turned. I like the turning. I don't know where I got this idea. I think it's because we had no time and this entire cohesive look could be done with makeup. We just need to look burned. So easy peasy. And I, I don't remember this moment at all of choosing this idea. I don't remember if we had other ideas. Do you? There was another idea and I don't remember what it was.

23:30Trixie Mattel:I had no idea.

23:31Katya Zamolodchikova:Like all I can remember is picking this.

23:34Trixie Mattel:Cause we had to record in like an hour.

23:37Katya Zamolodchikova:All right. Listen up, listen up fucking listeners. You and your car on the 405. Let me tell you what we had to do. We had to go in our clothes, get to the studio, wait around for a fucking hour. And then RuPaul comes out, explains the challenge. We have to team up, alone, come up with a concept for a parody. That alone could take a couple of hours, maybe even a day, like to come up with a good one. Then we had to write lyrics for it. It would take Sherry Vine six years. Six years. There's rah, rah, ooh, la, la. I just shit my pants. Yeah. Okay. So nevermind. I'll find someone like poo. Yeah. Yeah.

24:17Katya Zamolodchikova:You know. Oh, I had some black beans, a greasy souffle. Oh, wow. Things are not going my way. I have to go. Shit me with your best shot. Okay. So we had to do that. And then we had to. I turned it through the grapevine.

24:31Trixie Mattel:It's always kind of a fecal material.

24:34Katya Zamolodchikova:Fecal matter. So we had to take a whole – one of RuPaul's songs, which are pretty – whatever. And we had to do a whole parody. That's tough. Then we have to come up with a concept for a music video. That in itself is tough. Then we had to create out of thin air choreography for this music video. Then we had to go get into drag for this music video. Then we had to record music. We had to record our voices.

25:00Trixie Mattel:We had to record the voices. And then maybe an hour later, we received them in a headphone. Wait, they didn't show this. Do you remember Fame being like, Fame? This was literally Fame. I remember this like it was yesterday. And it just came back to me. This is Fame putting in her headphones and hearing her own singing for the first time. So she was like.

25:32Trixie Mattel:like she was like, she was Christina Aguilera. She was like, I sound so good. And she kind of does. Like she does turn it out. You know, they give us the real quick auto tune pass for sure.

25:44Katya Zamolodchikova:I forgot. We had to go in the recording studio, do that. Then we had to go.

25:48Trixie Mattel:Pearl sunglasses with her drawn on nostrils. Triangles with the big sunglasses. I look like a sunburned Muppet. You look amazing. I look like Magda.

25:59Katya Zamolodchikova:You look like Magda from something about Mary. I love her. Tanning mom. Tanning mom. Love that outfit. And you're doing like this. Yeah. Really getting into it. You were great. And you even peeled skin off of that. Yeah. Peeled skin off. I had a blast that day. Because that's my real, that's my wheelhouse. That's my forte. Ugliest, like ugliest dress. Mama, I was born for that moment. Born in the game. Like born for that moment.

26:20Trixie Mattel:So we did that. Can I explain what I saw on the screen? So I've never been in a music video. I've never been on a green screen. I don't know how music videos work. Me neither. And I guess I thought when you are done singing your line, leave because somebody else is going. I thought it was like, we're going to roll it. And then when you're done singing, move and somebody else. So I kept walking off. It's a group number. I know. So I kept walking off. And then Michelle would be like, why are you over there? I'd be like, well, I did it. I'm done. And she'd be like, no, no, no, you go back. I said, okay.

26:55Trixie Mattel:So I went back in there and sang it again and then walked back to the side. I was like, I don't know.

26:59Katya Zamolodchikova:But I didn't know, you guys, I had no idea how editing worked.

27:04Trixie Mattel:I only used iMovie once to make my drag race audition. I had no idea. I didn't even do that. I didn't understand that you all do a pass the song and then later they punch it and make something from it. It's fierce. And I'm watching it and I'm going like, this is just an example of the extreme ignorance of like, I have no idea what I'm doing. Well, we're fish out of water.

27:27Katya Zamolodchikova:I have no idea what I'm doing. Also, we don't know how to be efficient. We don't know like, oh, let's get this shot. We don't know how to direct ourselves. We have to direct ourselves.

27:35Trixie Mattel:We have to direct ourselves.

27:36Katya Zamolodchikova:That's another crazy thing. It's like, okay. And also with Pearl and Fame not getting along and us being kind of like - Passive. Passive. We're very passive. Like we're being, mommy, daddy, what do you want? Yeah. It was not easy. That was a lot to do in one day. and the only thing I knew

27:58Trixie Mattel:remembered honestly I I didn't think we did great but I left having really no no idea that we did bad yeah no I didn't think we did bad but I didn't think we were like I know the judges weren't rolling but I also was like okay it was serviceable it was serviceable and they can do it yes I we and we didn't get to watch the other groups no we did not so we're going off of just vibes yeah but I honestly thought dressing like season six queens was dumb and i thought a number about rupaul was dumb also wait the the the i think this is so funny

28:31Katya Zamolodchikova:her apparent like uh being offended about drag you like they played it three times three times she was like no rupaul the best part is she goes a stop stop stop what was that about drag you and

28:44Trixie Mattel:she's sort of like it's not like lapis it's cerulean yeah just like getting ready to read

28:48Katya Zamolodchikova:well you know it was my my favorite project and it was a helped a lot of people she goes

28:52Trixie Mattel:it changed a lot of lives.

28:53Katya Zamolodchikova:I was like, yeah. Well, I was, I was flummoxed by that because I'm like, but also that's the exact

29:00Trixie Mattel:type of joke that I think Rue would love. Of course.

29:03Katya Zamolodchikova:So, she's not offended. You know, I think maybe because it just wasn't funny.

29:07Trixie Mattel:Well, Mary, you got 40 Emmys for Drag Race and zero for Drag U.

29:10Katya Zamolodchikova:Like, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, if she's really, if she was really actually offended by that, I would, I am so shocked. I would be too. I would be shocked. Like,

29:17Trixie Mattel:and so they always come back to her like that person on ruse tiktok right now doesn't make me think that person is offended by that she just shoved a nuke up her pussy i know i know can i help you can i help you have a question my favorite is the mustaches too do you see the one about god and she's a little girl and she's like yeah i guess i will ask so funny rupaul anyone girl anyone barefoot in a

29:42Katya Zamolodchikova:parking lot goes on for 25 minutes it's too much so crazy she's too good

29:50Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay, so I have a So in retrospect So because if we consider how the How the challenges shake down in future episodes I should have won this challenge Only because Wait a minute I should have won this challenge Who did win? Kennedy Kennedy She was great Not better than me though She wasn't better than me She wasn't She did like a ghetto character which Rue goes nuts for. And she was very funny, but she wasn't all that funnier than me. You were, you two were the best for sure. We were both funny. But so considering the amount of wins and challenge wins that Ginger and Kennedy would receive, this would have been more, this would have made more sense for me to get this one than the Merle one.

30:36Katya Zamolodchikova:I was completely forgettable in the Merle challenge.

30:39Trixie Mattel:Yeah. Can I say, honestly, you were the by far the best part of our group and so for that reason too we me we all did just

30:48Katya Zamolodchikova:okay but you were actually good so she picked for the top she picked one from each group oh she did we would we did not have there was not a group who won oh that's right so that was a switch that was a little change that was a little switch up i didn't expect so it was um it was jayden

31:03Trixie Mattel:kennedy and me i remember rupaul going tonight you're going to be judges individuals yeah which

31:09Katya Zamolodchikova:Which was such a curveball, such a curveball, because I thought we were safe.

31:13Trixie Mattel:I thought as a group I was going to be in a safe group. You know me. My goal on Drag Race is to coast in the middle and never be noticed, apparently, because that's how you win. Yeah, and then you just –

31:21Katya Zamolodchikova:Big finish. Big finish.

31:22Trixie Mattel:Big finish. I was saving my cunty, sickening gowns for the end. So this is kind of such a – Did you have any favorites? I thought, obviously, Ginger always delivers. She did a good job.

31:32Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, she did a great job, but I really did not like the song. I think it went on way too long, and it wasn't funny.

31:38Trixie Mattel:And Jaden was the best in that group, I felt.

31:40Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, she was just hamming it up. Oh, let's listen from, we got a voice note from Jaden. Well, thank God. Cue it up. It's just porn. She gets so stressed out. She called me being like, what should I talk about?

31:52Trixie Mattel:I said, girl, just anything.

31:54Katya Zamolodchikova:Greatest accomplishment. It was when me, Max, and Violet did Get Ready to Clock. We did, I played Bianca Del Rio. I think Max was Courtney Act. Violet was somebody. I forgot, honey. My brain cells. I told you. She doesn't remember it was the top three. Girl, I forgot. Season six. But yes, that was my greatest accomplishment, at least in my head. I did not win that challenge, but according to the fan base, they said I won that challenge. um but uh it was definitely a really big accomplishment for me because um i feel like that was my moment where i was like the most proud of myself do your dogs barking yeah jayden's

32:51Trixie Mattel:she's 100 she's um carola de vil she's surrounded by dalmatians she's in the kennel yeah um she was great i mean jayden can i say watching this season for how old this is jayden is she's got the face card oh yeah it's fucking gorgeous great dancer the green runway this runway they cut to her with this green glitter no wait wait it's in the future it's when she's so de tempest she has that green glitter lip and i'm like is jayden kind of one of the faces of the season kind of beautiful absolutely beautiful um yeah so then we get honestly this whole day i just remember

33:24Katya Zamolodchikova:that and then elimination this runway i'm sorry we had some highs and some lows i it really was a hit and miss. I think it was mostly misses. I'll go down the list because I remember I really took notes on this. Can I say my fave? Yes. Whose? Violet. No shit. That little Vegas look

33:44Trixie Mattel:was so cool.

33:46Katya Zamolodchikova:No shit.

33:47Trixie Mattel:She's naked wearing feathers.

33:48Katya Zamolodchikova:No shit. And I love that. Oh, this was Jessica Alba. This was Jessica Alba and her shameless plug for her shitty products. I'm sorry. I remember Kennedy. She was so a non-entity. Kennedy wins the challenge

34:02Trixie Mattel:and we're like, you want baby wipes, girl.

34:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Girl, and Jessica Alba, God love her. She's one of the most beautiful women in the world. Shows up in the shittiest outfit. Sorry, I know this is so shady. No, she also says like,

34:13Trixie Mattel:I don't know what I've got myself into or something.

34:16Katya Zamolodchikova:I don't know what she says. It's so boring. It's just like B-O-R-I-N-G, mama. But you're gorgeous. The Honest Company. I've never tried their products.

34:22Trixie Mattel:Me neither. And I think they're clean ingredients. I think it's like, you know. They're made in the Sudan. No, I think some families don't want to use chemicals for like cleaning shit. Yeah, no parabens, blah, blah, blah. Good for her. Those were amazing. Max is great. Max is low-key. I loved it.

34:43Trixie Mattel:Hated it. Oh, I loved it.

34:45Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay. There was no green. Oh, yeah. Just green nipples. Green nipples and like a vaguely sage pannier or whatever you call it.

34:53Trixie Mattel:Yeah. Hated it. That's true. Hated it. I mean, the face card is always fun. I hated Kennedy's and she wins the challenge. Girl, hers was so ugly. Chicken feathers.

35:00Katya Zamolodchikova:So let's go ugly, ugly. Ginger? Horrible. Awful. Awful. Awful. Is it the satin? Yes. She looks like a fucking leprechaun. This should have been her ugliest dress. This should have been her ugliest dress.

35:13Trixie Mattel:The ugliest dress one is also green.

35:14Katya Zamolodchikova:I know, but that was better than this one. This one was pretty bad. Mine was so basic, so basic. And I have the worst Outfitters wig hairline. It's a helmet. It's a helmet. It's a dark helmet from Spaceballs.

35:28Trixie Mattel:It is truly the beginning of a dress. It's like if you sewed the dress and then you're going to do shit to it.

35:34Katya Zamolodchikova:Mary, it was a t-shirt long dress with a slit. With a slit. I had it. Listen, I was broke. I was poor. I had no time. I had a green dress. There was a green runway. I said, that's it. Right. That's what they're getting. I gave a little leg. That's it.

35:48Trixie Mattel:It wasn't bad. It was not a winning look. It's completely forgettable.

35:51Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah.

35:52Trixie Mattel:It was green. I liked it better than Kennedy's, but it honestly is just more forgettable. Kennedy's is bad. Kennedy's was so over designed. Kennedy, you know it's bad. I don't know

36:02Katya Zamolodchikova:I don't know She knows it's bad That Those shitty chicken feather Chicken feather Sash That bulk across the middle Oh my god It was so The over design Was so nasty Who else Fame Sensational Not her best But lovely

36:18Trixie Mattel:I love this fame one It's like a purple green

36:20Katya Zamolodchikova:And it's iridescent green It's like It's beautiful It's cool

36:24Trixie Mattel:Her mug Yeah Oh god

36:26Katya Zamolodchikova:And she's got the black hair on I think this is the first time

36:28Trixie Mattel:We see fame in black hair Yeah I can't wait Wait till we get there to death becomes her

36:31Katya Zamolodchikova:because her makeup in that is -

36:33Trixie Mattel:The makeup is for real. Fucking legendary.

36:37Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay. Then who is that? Pearl hated it. Hated it. Pearl, I hated it too. It was crafts. It was a sixth grade Halloween craft store. She is so tiny in this. Yeah. She looks crazy. She looks like she's giving Anna - I liked the makeup. Yeah. I loved the little, you know, the fishnet shading thing for the scales. Hated this outfit with a passion. Yeah. hated it so much. Just because she's so good. Jaden's, I didn't like it.

37:06Trixie Mattel:You know, I talked to Jaden today on the phone and she said, girl. It was a dance costume. She said, honestly, when I got on Drag Race, she said, I called the call center I worked at. I told him I needed to go on a leave. And she said, I went home and she said, casting told me to just start looking through my closet. And she said, I realized all my outfits were for dancing and making money. Dude, I understand that.

37:25Katya Zamolodchikova:That was like, I had mostly catsuits to perform in. Yeah. Like, I just didn't have anything. And that's what's hard on Drag Race.

37:31Trixie Mattel:And they're like, it's too many body suits. I'm like, you know what we do for work, right?

37:34Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. You know I perform for about two rounds, right? Yeah, it was crazy. Mine forget about who – Because gowns are so limiting.

37:41Trixie Mattel:And as a working drag queen, you have your gown for your ballad or whatever.

37:44Katya Zamolodchikova:You do gowns for the second number on a Wednesday night with nobody there. Right. You know? Violet's was just – and so creative. Yeah. Like, such a great, unusual choice. Violet's face. It's like, Violet's in a, famous,

37:59Trixie Mattel:or Candy's in a green dress with a green wig. Oh.

38:03Katya Zamolodchikova:It's like a Beyonce ombre, but it's green. It was a, it was a mother of the bride beaded thing with some green, green, it's like a Beyonce hair with green tips.

38:11Trixie Mattel:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:12Katya Zamolodchikova:Too forgettable.

38:13Trixie Mattel:Yeah, I, I really hated that outfit of hers. I don't know. She looked very pretty, but it was just. I didn't respond to pearls at all. Mm-mm. Um, honestly, I don't know if mine was a losing look at the time, but I don't love it.

38:26Katya Zamolodchikova:No, Oh, I really. And it's also Cake is very Anything Goes, Temple of Doom, Ching Chong.

38:35Trixie Mattel:Yeah. Honestly, it's through my eyes of 2025, I can understand that the 23-year-old or whatever who put that look together who didn't know what Bryant Park was. My only references of fashion at all were from costume stores and cartoons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So almost everything is like an occupation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like when you're that early in drag. It's a bit. Everything's a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

39:02Katya Zamolodchikova:So you're doing your like oriental thing.

39:04Trixie Mattel:The fact that I'm like a white girl wearing like a Chinese look.

39:08Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, mama, you have to consider this. This is back when Gwen Stefani had Harajuku girls as accessories. Do you know what I mean? Like this is a different time. Ten years ago, it sounds like not a lot of time, but it actually was in terms of this kind of thing. Yeah, when I think about it. It's come a long way.

39:23Trixie Mattel:What's crazy to think back is it never crossed my mind that that was odd.

39:27Katya Zamolodchikova:And nobody said anything. And nobody said anything. They said Shanghai.

39:31Trixie Mattel:Also, it was a look that launched people on the internet being mad that I was eliminated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody had took any umbrage with it. But now watching it, I'm like, that's a bizarre thing for you, girl from Wisconsin. What's weird about it at the time too was people knew I was close with Kim Chi and people were like, did you borrow that from Kim? I said, Kim's Korean. Bam. There you go. Even to this day, Kim and I would call laughing because Kim was like, why does everyone think that I borrowed you this dress? I said, I don't know. Girl, Kim texted me the funniest fucking thing the other day.

40:01Trixie Mattel:She was at Pride and someone said, I love you. You're like a drag queen with an AAPI twist. Kim said, what's the twist? What's the twist? What does that mean? It's Mandarin Oriental twist. What is that with a twist? Shout out to the POC queens because I'm sure they get weird fucking shit like that. Are the Asian queens?

40:21Katya Zamolodchikova:Are you kidding me? what about joel kim booster and bow and yang being the same person to who everybody it's so crazy it's so crazy not to me no not to me either like but it's just so wild what kind what kind of

40:35Trixie Mattel:chinese are you yeah you know it's i guess i like can i say one thing i liked about the look i guess i liked the fabric the mint yeah mint julep yeah i guess i like the color but i don't know why i picked that i'd never worn it before it was made for drag race it was made for drag race i didn't own one thing green oh my gosh i didn't have anything green i didn't have one thing green yeah i should have done anything i could have just had a sequin green gown but honestly i end up

41:02Katya Zamolodchikova:being limited anyway so it doesn't we should have we should have talked about what we would wear now

41:07Trixie Mattel:instead oh that's a great that's a great yeah that's a good idea i would have done instead something like violet like a showgirl but with a headpiece and i can juggle and i would have done something with juggling i think you maybe want to be a little more covered up

41:25Trixie Mattel:girl you know what last time i wore that outfit was do you remember like last pride i did that lip sync gig at for netflix is a joke i feel like an outdoor gig and all the comments were like there was video of me lip syncing you know i don't look oh then they were like all the comments were like guess the rent was due i'm like how come i'm like she's really slumming it she has fallen oh how the mighty have fallen and also you know netflix i was not slumming it like yeah hello it was paid well as was fena fena was booked there like it was just so crazy whenever people catch me lip-syncing now they're like damn we're in collections i'm like uncle sam's got you up by the pliers yeah so i I remember it's time for critiques.

42:04Trixie Mattel:I just, I knew I was not going to win this challenge. I was really blindsided that I was in the bottom. I couldn't believe it. I thought it was going to be Candy and Pearl. Me too.

42:16Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Yeah. I thought, or, I mean, I don't know who. I thought Candy and, um. I just didn't expect it in the bottom. I remember really. Because Pearl at this point has still, has been getting critiques of like, girl. Yeah. You know? And it's getting to a boiling point.

42:33Trixie Mattel:So I was really, but I guess, you know, I want to say I was 24 and a huge dollop of delusion. I was probably just in shock that it was on bottom because I was like, but I'm. But I'm me. It's a, hello, Bella Higgins. My name. Yeah. So A was that, but B, I actually didn't think I did the best. And I didn't think I had the worst runway. So I was like, oh, shit, this is happening. And then I remember, I love Blondie. So I remember being like, thank God, this is a song that I've known. I know every word didn't even have to listen to it I know every word and you hope on Drag Race if you get a song you hope if you have to lip sync it's a song you really know I was like I know the drums to this song I know every part of this song so I was like I'm ready and then I know Pearl so I was like I was pretty sure I was going to bury her and then it just didn't occur

43:17Katya Zamolodchikova:you know and I I watched I know about lip syncing I know about drag performance at this point I've been doing drag for like I don't know six years seven years or something and I I've seen many drag performances and I did not see Pearls as something that was exceptional. In fact, I thought it was something that was pretty bad. And so when I'm looking at you, I mean, again, I don't think any performance on the main stage is great. Right, but I don't, you just can't do it because there's no walls, there's no support. There's no like, you're not in your outfit of choice. You're not in your, whatever.

43:51Katya Zamolodchikova:All these things stacked against you. You're in a bad mood. And your feet are like literally gout. You've got gout. You know what I mean? I mean, it's razor blades on the toes. I was like, there was no question in my mind because I was operating from this delusional point of like merit. So I was like, oh, it's a meritocracy. There's no product. It was like, oh, of course it's not.

44:12Trixie Mattel:And I still maybe didn't think I, can I say, I felt like I knew in my heart I was not going to win this competition, but I did not think I was going this early. So I was really grappling with that. The reality of that, I was like, what?

44:23Katya Zamolodchikova:Yes, I thought you and me were going to be about three quarters of the way to the end.

44:28Trixie Mattel:Me too. Yeah. I thought we'd have a lovely time with the free food. Yes. Yeah. And then go home and have memories and snapshots.

44:34Katya Zamolodchikova:And then wouldn't have to go through the horror of the voting and the waiting and the numbers and all that crap, which I'm so actually relieved.

44:41Trixie Mattel:Well, we did end up doing that later and it's a different experience to wait a whole year and not really know what's going to happen. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But I remember also, I remember they called Pearl's name and I thought it was a double stay. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. I know that's delusional, but I couldn't believe it.

44:55Katya Zamolodchikova:I was just as shocked. I couldn't believe it. And I didn't, like you said, we weren't really friends at this point. I was completely shocked. I felt so shocked and betrayed.

45:05Trixie Mattel:Full body chills. I had full body chills.

45:07Katya Zamolodchikova:I feel so shocked and betrayed right now. Anyway. It was crazy. In the moment, too. Because she was doing something like this. People in the car, just imagine.

45:16Trixie Mattel:Yeah, it was like a different style, for sure. Different style.

45:22Katya Zamolodchikova:Marianne Williamson. No. No, it was more in fabric. But it was like, it was whatever. Who fucking cares? It was so long ago.

45:34Trixie Mattel:And you know, what I learned from watching this, I haven't watched this episode in so long. In the moment, it feels like the end of the world. And if I could go, if I have advice to somebody who's on Drag Race now, if you lose a lip sync and go home, the way it is not a big deal. No. It is not a big deal.

45:50Katya Zamolodchikova:You got it. That's the advice I've given girls before too. like her say, do not go on the show unless you are 100 % comfortable with the fact of going home first. 100 %? Yes. Do not. Then you have no business being on that show. Like you, of course you need to want to win and you need to think you can win, but you have to like, not unlike me who thought I would kill myself. You know, like you can't do that. It's not, it's just a fucking show and you can also parlay it into a lot of shit.

46:18Trixie Mattel:And I'll tell you guys, if you don't know, when you get eliminated, I don't know if people know that this happens. So RuPaul comes out and fucks you. you leave they take you to a all the other drag queens wait behind the main stage in silence for what feels like an hour it feels like an hour so everyone who's safe I forgot about that one person has one one person has one home and the story producers stand there with cattle prods ready to be like cause they're like don't spill the tea without the cameras right which is by the way what I would do I would tell I would slap people and say don't fucking talk about that until we get the cameras on no shit we're making, don't you want people to know?

46:54Katya Zamolodchikova:We're making a television show. Yeah, yeah. And you're a terrible actor. You know what I mean?

46:58Trixie Mattel:So they make everyone wait and I remember I, they take you to a room, you're still in drag. I think they let you get on a makeup and then they sit you down, they go, you did a great job. And I remember they went four episodes, that's a month of television. You're gonna be on TV for four weeks, plus you get to come back for a reunion. And they were telling me very true stuff. That's really nice. They were like,

47:18Katya Zamolodchikova:that's really nice.

47:18Trixie Mattel:I remember Theron was like, you're forever a drag race girl and you can do anything with this and it's not a big deal. You know, he was like, somebody went home yesterday. Somebody goes home tomorrow. Like, it's okay. That's really helpful. That's really helpful. And it was very helpful. And I was just shocked. I was so shocked. And I remember going, I flew home for a week. Boop. Because I come back, spoiler alert. I flew home for a week. And when I left, I remember when I got eliminated, they said, you're coming back in a week. And I said, They told you that right away. Yes. Cunt. They said, you're coming back in a week.

47:47Trixie Mattel:And I said, for what? And they said, well, you will be making another appearance. so you can go home but don't unpack or anything. Cunt. They might have even let me leave my drag.

47:56Katya Zamolodchikova:That's fierce because those baggage fees, honey, they weren't paying them.

48:00Trixie Mattel:But you also, I think, could go home and get extra drag and come back. You know, you could cheat.

48:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Imagine if you just came home and like just came back like fucking... With pussy lips? Like Daphne Guinness. Oh, yeah. With breasts. Breasts. Bull. Bull breasts. Yeah, of course. Sorry, I'm walking weird. My cunt is healing.

48:14Trixie Mattel:No, I come back and I got my hairline done but just recently it's just scabs and I'm like... Scabs, blood, and then dilating. For sure. And so I went home and that's it. I fucked your boyfriend. That's it. I went home. What did you do when you went home? My beautiful boyfriend, Kyle, picked me up at the airport. I remember I arrived at the Milwaukee Terminal, Southwest, Rich. And I walked and my boyfriend saw me and I went like this and I cried and then he gave me a hug. And then we just like, I went out to eat and had sex. Not the same time, but like I had sex with my lovely boyfriend, Kyle, at the time.

48:46Trixie Mattel:And we just hung out. And then I went back. we will not get to it but I went back not really they didn't tell me it was going to be to compete they didn't tell me anything but it was really disappointing and when the show came out I was shocked at the outpouring of support when I was eliminated they don't tell you that it's almost like when you get eliminated from Drag Race it's that everybody loves you when you're not in the running people just focus on what they like

49:14Katya Zamolodchikova:you should have won you should have stayed you should have You went home too early.

49:18Trixie Mattel:I loved you.

49:18Katya Zamolodchikova:It was actually such a blessing.

49:20Trixie Mattel:Yeah.

49:21Katya Zamolodchikova:Weirdly. Of course, me, high drama in the confessionals. I am so shocked and betrayed. She should be here. This is a travesty. And I'm leaving. Yeah. That's the last straw. Did you have an exit line plan? Did you do it?

49:35Trixie Mattel:I did not have an exit line plan because I'm telling you, I did not think this was going to happen. And you know that's DeLulu. No, it's not. It's not DeLulu. But there's moments on like All Stars or whatever where I was like, Oh, I know I'm going to be in the bottom. Or I know I won. I really didn't. I didn't think I even made a strong enough impression to be in the bottom. It was like so mid. But honestly, that's kind of the worst thing you can do.

49:57Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, but this is also. So, okay. So for the people on Reddit and all this stuff and the sleuths and stuff, this is where I start to become, where Pollyanna starts to become aware of production. Right. Because this is obviously a rivalry. Or not a rivalry. This is a emotionally juiced moment. Yes, you and Pearl. Pearl and I were real friends.

50:16Trixie Mattel:Yeah, and she had, and she cried. We were, and I believed her. I still consider us real friends. I just texted her this week and, um. It was green. She blocked you. I watch, if you guys would like to support Pearl, her, she is still creating in like 300 different ways on the internet. She's so, I mean, it sounds so corny. She's not building RVs. She's so creative. She's sewing. She's doing makeup. She's doing crazy characters in the desert.

50:39Katya Zamolodchikova:I know.

50:40Trixie Mattel:In the woods doing drag. Yeah. It's fierce. in a lot of ways watching Pearl is really interesting because when I remove myself from our age and our friendship this is sort of a turning point as a viewer where Pearl cracks and kind of decides to care about Drag Race yeah she actually from here on out yeah goes harder yes at least from a viewer standpoint

51:03Katya Zamolodchikova:okay from a viewer standpoint from my standpoint I'm like well we'll get to it because yes a 180 degree personality change

51:12Trixie Mattel:is very common to happen over 24 hours. Yes, darling. Watching it honestly as a viewer, when I take myself out of it and obviously disappointment, I as a viewer do like Pearl on Drag Race. I like her talking heads. I like her drag. I like her too. And so I don't know if I was a viewer, I wouldn't like to see Pearl go either. So it's kind of a hard elimination. I really thought Candy loved it. I thought it was gonna be Candy.

51:34Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, it was tough because the two of you, so for me, the two of you are very unique characters thus far in Drag Race. You look like a boy. You look like a boy. In Dre? No, no. Like, you look like a boy. Yes. And like— Which is a real hard left for drag queens to have eyebrows. No, it is. You look like a male boy. Like an attractive young man. And then Pearl's a heartthrob. Really? I mean, I'm— Heartthrob. Very handsome. Teeny Bop magazine. She's from One Direction. Yeah. She's in BTS. She's New Kids on the Block. She's in NSYNC.

52:10Trixie Mattel:he has this like little square jaw with blue eyes that are kind of far set like james dean very

52:16Katya Zamolodchikova:handsome he's james dean yes and that's and it can't be overstated i mean it's looks count for

52:22Trixie Mattel:a lot on a tv tv show that's about looks i just mean as a as a fan of who is on the drag race i also would have been mad if i would have wanted to see more pearl too so i don't know yeah in the moment you feel poor me poor me but watching it i'm like girl it's another drag queen getting eliminated from drag race yeah but you have to understand this was also at a time where there wasn't eight franchises a year. Totally. It felt so serious. Yeah, yeah. And it was, Drag Race was once a year. That's true.

52:46Katya Zamolodchikova:In one franchise. Yeah. And all eyes were on you. All drag eyes were on the show.

52:51Trixie Mattel:Yeah. And this was when girls from the show really were stars for a year. And I don't mean that in a shitty way, but now you really need to make a splash to even get a few pride bookings, I think. Yeah.

53:02Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, now it's a different situation, but from season three to season, our season, because season six was huge. huge i mean uh bianca courtney adore megastars really launched that mega that season being so

53:16Trixie Mattel:good made it hard for people to like our season i think yeah but also really helped our bookability

53:20Katya Zamolodchikova:yes we we went many of us went on to to like incrementally make many many thousands of dollars at our bookings so like um not me millions

53:35Trixie Mattel:at each one. Ambergris Milwaukee instantly changed my salary. $12 million.

53:42Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay,

53:43Trixie Mattel:let's go ahead and wrap.

53:43Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay. So I feel so shocked and betrayed.

53:47Trixie Mattel:It was honestly,

53:48Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm watching the whole thing with someone who's never seen it, which is very illuminating. Yeah, I think I must have been starting to be your friend at this point because I really felt those things that I said in the confessional.

53:58Trixie Mattel:Yeah, I was, I mean, I'm watching it with someone who's never seen it. and they were shocked. I was like, I guess I was shocked. It was weird. It was shocking. It was shocking television. It was betraying. Yeah. But like I said, it almost weirdly backfires on the person who stays because I remember people being weirdly anti-Pearl.

54:15Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, absolutely.

54:15Trixie Mattel:Which I thought was crazy.

54:16Katya Zamolodchikova:Like remember anti-Kennedy? Well. Coming up, that's another thing. We'll get to that later. But also, this is also goes to show because for the viewer, this is what? Four episodes? This is about - A week and a half. A week and a half. but in human time, this is four months. It's been eight years. It's been eight. No, because we have no social media. We have no other friends. We have no other social contact. We are completely.

54:40Trixie Mattel:And we're doing drag 12 hours a day.

54:41Katya Zamolodchikova:12 hours a day. And we are very, it's a Vietnam kind of situation. Vast friendships and bonds are forged instantly. Yeah. So that's kind of, a lot of the drama comes from that.

54:53Trixie Mattel:But, oh, Pearl said the voice note. Yes. All right, Pearl. Side note, I maybe delusionally think that I'm close friends with Pearl. So I call her or send her texts all the time. And she always responds, which at least means she's interested in correspondence. I think I've always believed that I'm close to her. And a lot of my friendships are completely one way and that's okay. Works for you. Works for me. The most memorable thing for me to come from our season would be when Trixie and I had to lip sync. People don't understand what it's like to have won that lip sync and then watch Trixie become the Trixie that we know and love today.

55:32Trixie Mattel:Yeah. For the last decade, I've been slowly publicly executed because of this moment. Truly. Somehow I'm 100 % at fault.

55:41Katya Zamolodchikova:And as much as I appreciate the death threats,

55:45Trixie Mattel:perhaps someone could have the wherewithal to blame the actual person who chose to send you home. Ginger won another lip sync against you, but nobody seems to recall. So I have to say the wrath feels personal.

56:00Katya Zamolodchikova:Anyway, I'm proud of you both. And I'm happy to be your season seven sister. Okay. And there's nothing you can do about it.

56:08Trixie Mattel:Keeping blonde, hot and horny.

56:11Katya Zamolodchikova:Smoochies. Okay.

56:14Trixie Mattel:That's very Pearl.

56:14Katya Zamolodchikova:I need to say a little few things because that is crazy.

56:20Trixie Mattel:No, can I say we just said, this voice note reminds me of what we just said, which is when someone you like on Drag Race goes home, it's not fair to turn to the other drag queen and say, fuck her. You didn't say, actually, I'm in charge.

56:34Katya Zamolodchikova:Chop. Pearl didn't send me home. It's RuPaul. It's RuPaul at RuPaul.com. You can email her. You can send letters to World of Wonder.

56:45Trixie Mattel:You can Google the address. And can I tell you something about Pearl? I've known Pearl for probably damn near 15 years. Pearl is not someone sitting home sending death threats to people. No. Pearl's not thinking about Drag Race.

56:56Katya Zamolodchikova:Pearl's not. Yeah. You think Kennedy was? Kennedy invited me to Thanksgiving. Girl. And I went there and it was like the time and her family was like, I'm part of the family. It was amazing. But that really bummed me out. That voice note bummed me out. That was really fucking sad and also a big eye opener. Well, shit. Well, anybody who's going to send death threats is not going to listen to us.

57:14Trixie Mattel:This is the thing that I would like to not speak out of turn, but I want to say that I know Pearl enough to know that she did not love every part of doing Drag Race. No. She did not love parts of being famous. And it makes me sad that her main memory from this is that she was just doing her job, which is to compete. They say, go lip sync. And she said, okay. And makes me sad. I know. Because she did a lot of great drag on drag race.

57:41Katya Zamolodchikova:And also, she had the most incredible, unprecedented, an unparalleled display of testicular hugeness when she stood up to RuPaul. That's a whole section of my notes because - Mary, I cannot wait to get to there. Girl, it's so clunky. I was 24 inches away and I remember it like it was yesterday.

58:06Trixie Mattel:Yeah, honestly - We'll see you next time. Can I have one thing? Yeah. I honestly would like to say, at the time, what I just said about don't hate the other person, I didn't really think that much about that at the time because I was just receiving all this that lip sync you were a martyr everybody was being so nice to me about it you were a martyr, yeah everybody was being nice to me because I lost right and I guess I didn't spend much time thinking about at the time how much that would feel for Pearl but over the years I've thought a lot about it yeah because I've never and it's shitty

58:39Katya Zamolodchikova:I've never received that Alaska has Kennedy has Alaska, Kennedy I mean Alaska and Kennedy have been have been spammed, death-threaded. Do you think Alaska, do you know how many times Alaska has had to listen in a meeting greet for her? Like, Katja should have won. No, she shouldn't have. Right. Like in knowing full well that like, no, she shouldn't have. That she won, like she killed it. I don't know, you know, whatever. Right. But like, that's so frustrating. Yeah. You get the repetition of it.

59:10Trixie Mattel:Honestly, I think my understanding of that probably came from All Stars. When I did well, it became about other people who should have done better. And it's not. But that's a flack of what Pearl got. Pearl got that for the rest of the season. Kennedy. Kennedy got fucking bombed. It was.

59:29Katya Zamolodchikova:Even though like, even though she's so clever. Whatever. We'll get to it.

59:32Trixie Mattel:I feel sad about that voice note. Pearl, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's really sad. I'm really sorry. I guess maybe at the time, if I had understood that, I would have been like, y 'all are being whack. Yeah.

59:40Katya Zamolodchikova:But you don't because you're in a whole different mindset. Well, spay and neuter your pets. I mean, the pearl effect that she even sent us a voice note. Thank you. Oh, and I have a lovely teeny little good note to end on. I went to a car wash for the first time and I drove over a giant cone and I had it stuck in my tire for the whole time until I got to the front of the car wash. And the girl's like, I was like, what? She's like. You said my car? Thanks. I was like, I got out of the car. mama this big this tall wedged in the the left front tire the whole time cunty see you later

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