RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 Eps 5, 6, & 7: "Wigs, Woe, & Redemption" with Trixie and Katya

5:30Trixie Mattel:It just said whore.

5:31Katya Zamolodchikova:Like Black Swan.

5:33Trixie Mattel:And do you remember you knew it was directed at you? And you came up and you said, did you suck his cock? And then you started wiping it off.

5:39Katya Zamolodchikova:And then I just cut myself.

5:41Trixie Mattel:How has no one just written whore like Black Swan on the mirror on Drag Race? Because nobody is good.

5:46Katya Zamolodchikova:Nobody's any good. I think I wrote like, love yourself, girl. Who fucking knows what I wrote? 1-900, go suck your mom's cock. That's what people should be writing. I know. It's crazy. It's crazy.

5:57Trixie Mattel:Next time I do Drag Race to get a limited, I'm going to say, is Pepsi okay? Full body chills. A single drop of blood. It will just be really deep cuts. You're terrible, Muriel. You know, it'll just be something out there that makes that leaves everyone concerned. Oh, my God. You know what people should do when they leave Drag Race? To the girl who knows what she did. Yours will be coming to you. Very, very. Your next bitch. Tokyo Tony. Tokyo Tony. Very Tokyo Tony. Tokyo Tony. Tokyo Tony. Tokyo Tony Awards. We should have them in Tokyo. With Tony. With Tokyo Tony. Have you ever seen that Tokyo Tony clip where she's like, it's a lot.

6:37Trixie Mattel:When it comes to the LGBT community, it's a lot of issues going on. And Michelle Obama, I wouldn't want to be. No, she says, Hillary Clinton, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes right now. That's like the whole TikTok.

6:49Katya Zamolodchikova:Have you seen the one where she's trying to rent out her front yard? Yes. Okay, enough of the hooky-o-tony. We got work to do. Okay, yeah, we got to get through it. So, fabulous, fun mini challenge, creating iconic red carpet dresses out of paper. Love this. So fun. How much time did you have? And you know what? This is a great, fun, relevant, good, entertaining mini challenge. Yes. Because it shows creativity. Everybody's dresses were incredible. They actually were pretty good. Pearl's share on Max, I believe, was stunning. Stunning. Stunning. And that's what Pearl is so good at. Me and Kasia make Bjork's swan dress.

7:28Katya Zamolodchikova:Super fun. Yes. And then Little Kim. I think Ginger's Little Kim. That's what I'm saying. So fun. I don't know how much time you guys have, but the fact that these were head to toe looks. We had about 30 minutes. I think maybe more, maybe, maybe a little more, maybe 45.

7:42Trixie Mattel:I mean, you guys are, you guys have jewelry. Yeah. Some of you have makeup.

7:46Katya Zamolodchikova:It was so fun. It was actually really, really fun. And that's like, I love when they set up the mini challenge to like, to really just have fun and to show creativity rather than, I mean, also stupid's great too, but like, and the time constraint means we're going to be set up for a little bit of flop, but in a fun way. But it's a fun way. And I don't, I don't like it when they just set you up to fail or it's boring. I don't know. Right. So that was fun. Me and Kasha win or whatever. And then we are given. Kasha gets to do her Joan Rivers. Oh, yeah. She does her Joan Rivers. Which isn't great.

8:15Katya Zamolodchikova:No, it's not. I watched it. I was like. It's not great. It's not funny. I was like, Kasha. It's not funny. Also, there were no jokes. There were no jokes. It was just her going like, I dress this paper. Yeah. Oh, my God. Okay. Wow.

8:29Trixie Mattel:Yeah. That was it. And Kasha. Love you. Love you. You know what? when I'm watching it, Kasha's one of those people, I think her, I don't want to like government name her, but. Ed Popple? Girl, I watch it and I go, come on, Ed Popple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You better work Ed Popple.

8:42Katya Zamolodchikova:You better work Ed.

8:44Trixie Mattel:By the way, Kasha Davis, sober now and married many, many years. To Mr. Davis. To Mr. Davis. Mr. Davis, yeah. Who was lovely. At the time, that made her seem so old to me that she was a missus and she was married. I was like, oh, there's a grown up here.

8:58Katya Zamolodchikova:Was she? None of us were married. Well, Faye was married again. So she was at, yeah, but she, at this point, since Tempest is gone, she is the elder statesman. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

9:08Trixie Mattel:You did a great job. And I guess technically the first time you did Bjork on Drag Race.

9:12Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I should have taken a page out of this and then done her for Snatch Game, but whatever. So we have to host the Despies. We come up with some banners. It's not great. I mean, it's not great. Oh, but Mary Dugan, my dress. No, no, no. before we get to the challenge.

9:31Trixie Mattel:Okay. What? Not to cut you off. Yeah. What? We get Pearl versus RuPaul.

9:36Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh my God.

9:37Trixie Mattel:I can't believe this. I can't believe this happened at this time. Can I say at the time, I thought this was so disrespectful and crazy. And I wasn't there. But as a viewer, I was like, this is crazy. But now knowing that she's 23 and she's on Drag Race and I know that RuPaul has never encountered a single drag queen willing to talk to her the way RuPaul talked to her. And RuPaul is staring at her at what, Afe Paul? Pearl's 90 pounds, seated. She's the size of a red M &M, just sitting there. And then she just goes, well, you kind of just told me I had no personality. Yeah.

10:11Katya Zamolodchikova:It's wild. I remember I was at the table. So they're at the, so going in the workroom there on the left, I was right there on the left table. I was like, So you could hear all of it.

10:23Trixie Mattel:It's, she's right there. And you're what? Pretending to sew? I was like, Girl, the machine's going and there's no fabric. you're sewing through the hand. I'm writing, I'm writing with no pencil. No, she was, um, the machine's not on and you're just feeding the fabric through it. I'm on the phone. I'm on the phone. You know what it gives? Remember in, um, remember in the first season of rehearsal, the woman eating the fake chicken. That's you. I'm having a fake conversation with Kasha. There's no one. You're talking to a mannequin. I'm fucking mannequin. Well, there's something about when something that awkward is going on that you're like, can I become the wallpaper real quick?

10:56Trixie Mattel:Oh,

10:56Katya Zamolodchikova:so it was, It was more tense and more awkward than it was on television. Because people don't know during the RuPaul walkthroughs, everyone is silent.

11:05Trixie Mattel:And they're long, mama. You're not allowed to speak. No. They're long. They're long. And RuPaul does one for everyone, but they don't show it.

11:13Katya Zamolodchikova:No. And I think fans have realized, especially at the top of the season, if you get a walkthrough, you're going home. Well, if it's because on camera.

11:23Trixie Mattel:But in real time, we all get a walkthrough.

11:25Katya Zamolodchikova:We all get a walkthrough. But there's a clue, of course, the people who get walkthroughs in the first couple of episodes are either in the top or the bottom. Yes. So, you know, because that's there. We got to see them. Yes. From a story perspective. So this was so fucking uncomfortable. It was so tense. It was insane. RuPaul was so angry.

11:45Trixie Mattel:Like it was like, it was like crazy. And I mean, I'm sure it was longer in person, but I guess the story to me is that I. I admire Pearl for this moment. Not because I think it's fun to mouth off to RuPaul, but... No. At 23, I wouldn't have been able to do that. I wouldn't have been able to do that to RuPaul now. No. No matter what RuPaul said to me. No.

12:06Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, the next episode, I literally told RuPaul... This wasn't included in the episode. I confessed to her that I'm absolutely terrified of her to her face. I've done that too. Yeah.

12:16Trixie Mattel:She refutes it. With me, she played with it. Oh, one time I told her she was so scary and she said, no, everybody says that. I said, well... everybody says that. And obviously admire someone so much and fear them as interconnected tissue. Sure, sure, sure. It's an admiration. Yeah, yeah.

12:35Katya Zamolodchikova:So Pearl just sits there as if something on my face.

12:38Trixie Mattel:And RuPaul stares at her.

12:40Katya Zamolodchikova:RuPaul's in. I don't remember any other words.

12:43Trixie Mattel:And Max is sitting there. Yeah, he's like, Max is sitting there giving Tim Burton gray, silver, and white. I don't know what's taking place here. They cut to Max and she's like, you know, she's got a British flag. She's got a ginger spice. Yes. And then she, Max goes, I'm very uncomfortable right now. Yeah. It was wild. With the accent. It was, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no accent. It was no accent. She put on her Mrs. Doubtfire wig and just left. You've a, you've a doubtful idea. Like, I can't believe. Shout out to Pearl. I would have never had the balls for that.

13:19Katya Zamolodchikova:It was huge. Her balls were, but her balls took up half the room. it was like the Macy's Day parade with just balls it was crazy and yeah it was and then she leaves how long did she leave for? it was a while it was enough to be concerning it was like enough to be dramatic it was weird yeah it was strange do you think she was gonna quit? I don't know I don't know I think she was really pissed off because people were dogpiling on her like you have no imagine being told you have no personality right but she does have a personality she does she's just not like hey mom I'm fierce Fierce. She's not annoying.

13:54Trixie Mattel:By the way, for everyone like us in the world who's obnoxious and up there, there needs

13:58Katya Zamolodchikova:to be Pearls. No, no, no. We're not obnoxious. We're obnoxious in a different way. But drag queen obnoxious is a very, very specific kind of frequency. Right. Pearl is nowhere near that frequency. In fact, she's an antidote to that frequency, which is often grating.

14:12Trixie Mattel:Yeah. So she is fierce because she's chill. You and I are one brain cell and we're sitting there going like, exactly. like you know we're not we're not even thinking about other people in that way no but a lot of the drag queens in the room were operating at a frequency that you and I were not on no and Pearl certainly was not on no and it was

14:32Katya Zamolodchikova:I thought it was like I didn't it's refreshing but at the time it was fascinating because nobody had ever been like that nobody had been like that I mean Max was a little like that Max kept to himself aloof though aloof is different than chill Yes. Because Max was not chill. No. But she was very aloof. And to herself. And elusive and introverted. But Pearl was like literally James Dean chill cool.

14:58Trixie Mattel:And to say that that person has no personality. It's just not true. Pearl, if you sit and talk to Pearl, Pearl's as funny as anybody. As much personality as anybody. She's just not cheating out and screaming. Yeah. And she's actually quite interesting. And gifted. Whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever. I just couldn't believe this. It was so crazy to watch.

15:17Katya Zamolodchikova:But it was such an easy storyline for the producer, I think, to latch on to. And of course, the caterpillar and the butterfly. You know, you get the whole story arc of coming out of your shell and blooming and blossoming and all that stuff.

15:31Trixie Mattel:But I think that the golden rule of reality TV, and I have produced several reality TV shows now, is nothing's more interesting than what's really happening. Yeah. So the truth is, she has this face off with RuPaul. Yeah. But she does good in the challenge. Yeah. So the story is there's this friction and then she figures it out. Yeah. It could have easily been friction and then she has weird vibes and it tanks her in the gym. Yeah. Yeah. And then she's out. I don't think that's fabricated. No. But the truth is this difficult conversation happened and then she did well.

16:00Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah.

16:01Trixie Mattel:What is the connective tissue there? It's about balls. Yeah.

16:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And later we would learn from RuPaul's What's the Tea podcast that at the time she went and sent her motherfucking ass home. That's right. Right there. I couldn't believe that. She was, I can't believe she included that. That was a rare moment of honesty from, or like behind the scenes honesty from me. She's like, I want to send that fucking bitch home. But I knew because she's hot or whatever. I was like, damn, Rue. You know, interesting. Yeah.

16:26Trixie Mattel:Which is confusing because I was also really hot. I know. So if we're keeping hot people, why did I go? Did you see my little corn teeth? Did you see my receding hairlines? And also the audience has a right to know. Your corn cob smile? Why is my skin so light? and my nipples dark brown. What about that? America has a right to know.

16:47Katya Zamolodchikova:The viewers need to see that. The viewers need to know.

16:55Katya Zamolodchikova:When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy. I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial.

17:38Katya Zamolodchikova:Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks. All with a home base that feels like summer you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives. And if I'm traveling with friends, even better.

18:12Katya Zamolodchikova:We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, It just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb. When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy.

18:57Katya Zamolodchikova:I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak. After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial. Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks.

19:30Katya Zamolodchikova:All with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives, and if I'm traveling with friends, even better. We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, or a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse.

20:06Katya Zamolodchikova:However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb. When July arrives, we as humans can finally live up to our full potential as sun-dazed creatures who say things like, let's go kayak on the open ocean, or I can absolutely pull off a straw hat and a floral shirt. This summer, I'm dreaming about a getaway to Traverse City, Michigan, where I found a beautiful home in Lake Michigan that I booked with Airbnb, the perfect headquarters for peak lake-based summer whimsy. I want to wake up slowly, make coffee in a real kitchen, then head out for cherry pastries, pumpkin pancakes, and a heroic afternoon of pretending I actually know how to kayak.

20:45Katya Zamolodchikova:After that, maybe we can drive out to Sleeping Bear Dunes, climb an enormous sandy hill, and then stare out at Lake Michigan like we're in a fancy shampoo commercial. Then, in honor of the season, we reward ourselves with ice cream. That is what the height of summer does to me. It makes every trip feel less like a vacation and more like a golden little movie where everyone is slightly sunburned and deeply committed to snacks. all with a home base that feels like somewhere you can actually settle in. That is why I love booking stays on Airbnb. I want a living room where everyone can collapse after a day in the water, a kitchen for late night sandwiches and lazy breakfasts, and enough space to feel like we are living our best summer lives.

21:24Katya Zamolodchikova:And if I'm traveling with friends, even better. We can stay together, eat dinner together, and play card games badly. And maybe that one great trip becomes three great trips. Maybe it's Traverse City now, the Outer Banks next, We're a long weekend in Bar Harbor after that, eating lobster rolls and becoming emotionally attached to a lighthouse. However summer unfolds, it just feels more personal when you book through Airbnb.

21:48Trixie Mattel:Do you remember preparing with Kasha? Did you know it was going to be weird?

21:52Katya Zamolodchikova:I wasn't, I don't think I was super, super just, I mean, I'm not super just doing anything on Drag Race. Like, I mean, to be quite honest, I don't like working with people. I don't like working with people. I don't either. I'm like, girl, you do your thing. I'll do my thing. Let's meet, whatever. And also, this is really a moment for me to – where I get to really flex my styling muscles because I reach deep into that rucksack and pull out the most fetching, incredibly tantalizing, non -lined sequin t-shirt dress. Okay. I like this dress. Okay. So get this though. So where I wear these – underneath the dress, I'm wearing glitter bordellos.

22:31Katya Zamolodchikova:I did see that. With the chunky glitter. I did see that. So guess what happens when you have no slit in the dress and you're in chunky glitter heels underneath the dress and no lining? The sequins all rub off from the friction of you walking. Now I'm at a pacer. So I'm practicing while pacing, pacing, pacing. So what happens is that there is about two feet of sequins completely sloughed off of the back of the dress. And I lucked out because we did not walk the runway. I didn't clock it at all. Exactly. Because we never rocked. We never did a runway. I would have been cooked alive. Well, I was cooked alive because they never saw the back of the dress, but they saw the flat hair.

23:11Trixie Mattel:Well, the front was nothing to celebrate either, girl. Let's be honest. No, but I mean, the back was -

23:15Katya Zamolodchikova:I like the color.

23:15Trixie Mattel:It's a beautiful cranberry, beautiful pink. No, no. I love the pink dress. It's fuchsia. Okay. That shows my brain. I'm just like, love that.

23:22Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, it's fuchsia. The issue is the hair. Yeah. I don't know how to do hair.

23:26Trixie Mattel:No, no, no. You also don't know how to shop for hair. No, yeah. This came from CVS during Halloween.

23:31Katya Zamolodchikova:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was a$35 wig from Dorothy's. Her name was Jordan. Her name was Jordan. She was a hard front and there was nothing soft about her. And also it had that plastic sheen that right out the back. It had that really plastic sheen. She needed to be tied to the tailpipe and driven around the block. Do you know what she needed?

23:55Trixie Mattel:Well, a lot of things. I think drag queens call it like dirtying up the wig. It needed to be sprayed with hairspray, combed out. Spray with hairspray, combed out like five times. But guess what?

24:05Katya Zamolodchikova:Ask me how to do open heart surgery. You think I'm going to know how to do it? Yeah. No. No. So that's hairstyling with me. I don't know how to do it. Not interested in learning how to do it. I'm never going to know how to do it. I don't care about hair. I want it to look good from somebody else. I mean, everything else I'd love to learn how to do. I'd love to learn how to DJ. You know what I mean? It's also okay to not do every part of drag. Yes. but it's also not okay to not bring something for every occasion or to wear something that is flagrantly unsatisfactory.

24:33Trixie Mattel:Just knowing what I know now at your hosting look, that dress with an updo with some cool earrings, it could have easily been a hosting dress.

24:43Katya Zamolodchikova:Serviceable.

24:44Trixie Mattel:Yeah.

24:44Katya Zamolodchikova:Serviceable. Your body looks great. Yeah, serviceable. Your face looks good. My face looks good. I mean, I definitely am like with glaucoma passing, you know, and nothing crazy bad about the makeup. um thank so i was going home you what until i had the award because my we sucked we just we are not that funny and we didn't suck but we were not that funny and you guys didn't seem like you had a good um rapport rhythm no we didn't have a good rhythm and because she has her stick i have mine and i was going to do it in a russian accent but that just did not make any sense with her and like And I was just like, we never really got gelled so much.

25:29Katya Zamolodchikova:And it's hard to do that. It's hard to come up with chemistry with another person because we were kind of going on Tina and Amy. Why didn't you want to do a character? I just thought it was going to be corny.

25:41Trixie Mattel:I thought it was going to be corny. We will get there, but I skipped ahead a couple episodes. There's a part where RuPaul says, why don't you do the Russian character? And then your talking head is, I'm afraid to do it because it's the thing I do the best. And if I'm not good at that, then what am I good at?

25:57Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Well, if I feel at the thing that I feel like I'm the most gifted at, then you're a failure. That made so much sense. Well, yeah. Because also there was never an opportunity. I never felt that I'm good at reading the temperature of the room. Like, I feel like I have that ability. And it just never was the vibe. No, it was like, it was because I, it was that character. That sort of is already doing an accent. That's what I'm saying. There's already one in the room. That's what I'm saying. Like, realness was the vibe. Realness was the vibe. And I've never been myself in drag. Up until this point, I'm either an imposter on the weekends with Bachelorette or a Russian accent crazy person on Monday.

26:35Katya Zamolodchikova:I've never been myself in drag, and I was very feeling that. Like, my personality, but with drag on. Right. In drag race. Because I knew that when I left the show, God willing, I succeeded. I'm not traveling around doing the Russian accent. Because I don't do that. I didn't want to be like a weird Russian person fake Russian person so I had to like negotiate that and so we did our thing it was like forgettable I thought Pearl was really good with Max

27:05Trixie Mattel:when Pearl does the gender impression come on down to Gatorland girl love that shit I love Pearl's outfit Max looks great too Violet's dress

27:18Katya Zamolodchikova:so in person so it looked it was all stones so it was so heavy it was so it was a mesh dress deep V deep neckline solid stones and the most beautiful ombre effect so heavy it was like 50 pounds or something and it was dragging along it looked gorgeous in the person it still looked nice on TV but it was the stones didn't quite read stones don't read

27:46Trixie Mattel:fame's dress was amazing yeah the cap sleeve with the long glove oh I loved it

27:50Katya Zamolodchikova:I love, it was one of my favorite outfits she's ever worn.

27:53Trixie Mattel:And then instead of crying, she makes a joke about like, I was going to cry, but Dan Botox will get you every time.

27:59Katya Zamolodchikova:Actually funny. She was good. Yeah. And a man upstairs. Thanks for the light. You know, thanks for the light. I look gorgeous.

28:04Trixie Mattel:Yeah. Fame did a great job.

28:05Katya Zamolodchikova:She did a good job. She did a good job. And I, this was the only point in the show where I was actually able to tell Rue, like, this is the kind of funny I am. Right. And she was the only one that laughed. And I was like, oh, that's all you need. That's, that was like the most special moment up at that point because, and I didn't, I had no idea what I was going to say. So when I got up there, I was like freaking out. And I was like, and I just said that it was like, I had no idea. It wasn't planned or anything. And, and I was like, cause that's how I do it at the show in Boston and like just improv.

28:38Katya Zamolodchikova:And I just, that came out of my mouth and she laughed very, like she laughed a lot. And I was like, Oh, thank God I'm not going home. no you did great yeah it was just i really landed it landed and it was like bob ross was so random and she was the only one that got it she was the only one who knew that was right and um and it was like it was like oh that's great and isaac mizrahi got it because he's like he said i have a core of irony i have a core of irony i was like that's what you need to recognize in a drag queen do you know what i mean a core of irony like you operate from a perspective of irony sure like you know what like kandy ho is not ironic neither is neither is um i mean ironic irreverent like we're not i don't think jayden operates from a port of irony she's a fierce showgirl i think operating from a place of like you know it's all a joke but what's funny

29:32Trixie Mattel:is that you act like it's not yeah that is what makes it funny yeah that's why the joke of drag Queen saying I'm just a young woman, whatever.

29:38Katya Zamolodchikova:The apparent truth is different from the obvious truth. Yes.

29:42Trixie Mattel:I wasn't there, but as a viewer, I also thought that Kennedy and Jaden did okay.

29:46Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. I mean, Kennedy's great.

29:48Trixie Mattel:I love when Kennedy said, we look like a number 10.

29:51Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. And she said something in a wall clock.

29:54Trixie Mattel:And then she said, stand over there, go like this. She goes, my point.

29:57Katya Zamolodchikova:Very funny. And I said, from the star of Tyler Perry's roots, Kennedy Davenport. You said this? Yes. Completely improv. I had no idea. it just came out of my mouth came out of my mouth and she said straight from Kunta Kinte's hut it's so funny she's so good she's so good

30:14Trixie Mattel:Kennedy is great she's great everybody Ginger's good in it yep Ginger performs with Candy right I think they kind of do this yeah and Ginger yeah and she just steamrolls Candy it's so hard it's hard to perform with Ginger because she's so good

30:28Katya Zamolodchikova:yeah yeah yeah yeah Candy didn't stand a chance yeah but Ginger could have done her a favor

30:33Trixie Mattel:but that's not her responsibility it's not her responsibility but I mean you and I go through this when we work together I usually I think end up setting up the joke and then you usually have the punchline when we do our stage show uh huh but if you both do a good job it's everyone's life yes it doesn't have to be the straight man never does well right because setting up the joke can also be very fucking funny

30:55Katya Zamolodchikova:well it's you don't have a joke without a setup

30:58Trixie Mattel:right you know what I mean so it's yeah it's a lot of responsibility and you it's so one on one but you if you make it about liking each other look good you both look good.

31:08Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah.

31:08Trixie Mattel:Like when I do pit stop, it's actually more about setting the other guest up for their,

31:12Katya Zamolodchikova:for their moment. I'm really about you. Yeah. That's a really good point. Yeah. It's a fun challenge. I liked it. I, and I'm shocked that they haven't done, well, they probably have, but I think they should have done another desk piece. I love the fact that you guys really voted for each other. Yes. And you won media's talk with my two inch weenie. Two inches hard.

31:35Trixie Mattel:congratulations on the media stuff did that kind of come up when you were touring and hooking up where guys like well I heard no no no I was because in Tucked I had my whole cock out the whole cock well you had the cage people saw the cage and it was the size of a bingo cage one of those like turning balls it was the lottery cage yeah it was one of those bingo cages oh 27 cock and you just spin it and it just hit the clip

32:01Katya Zamolodchikova:no I don't know I don't know what that was on there's no runway. Okay, so there's no... But they do talk about your looks. Jesus H. Christ shone down on me on this day because I truly, I was... Now, you have to understand, because the sequins really do make an impact, when I was looking in the mirror at my dress, it was fucking dazzling. To me. Are you talking about the... My pink t-shirt. Right. When the stage lights hit, or the workroom lights hit my dress, in the mirror, it looked beautiful because sequins look beautiful. right but so i didn't even see the hair you have to understand mama i'm no hair person mama i'm like brooke hogan like i don't do hair pearl introduces that great joke the brooke hogan of

32:45Trixie Mattel:drag hysterical hysterical and then you tell mich i think you tell michelle this hair's from the

32:49Katya Zamolodchikova:brooke hogan collection yeah yeah yeah love yeah she was she's like your hair's too flat whatever and then um but that was really the only criticism i got it was basic dress and also i was like not that great in the gel so i think i was in the bottom but um no i was safe safe i was safe Yeah. It was safe. But Kasha didn't deserve to be in the bottom, I don't think. Well, our bottom ends up being Kasha and Candy Ho. Yeah. And it's a bummer because Kasha flubbed one word and they repeated that three times. Three times. Yeah. And it's like - She said welcome wrong. She just flubbed over welcome. She stuttered.

33:22Trixie Mattel:And anybody who knows Kasha knows that that whore is fine in a microphone. Yes. She's not a flopper.

33:27Katya Zamolodchikova:She's not a flopper. She would have done a great job on her own. Yeah. And I think I would have done much better on my own as well. And unfortunately for Kasha, lip syncing is Candice. Yeah, she's a Terminator. Candy Catterberries. She's a Terminator. Yeah. Also, it was to Ariana Grande.

33:45Trixie Mattel:I know.

33:46Katya Zamolodchikova:No, no, what was it? That was Death Becomes Her. It was Lover Girl, Tina Marie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Great song. Great song. Pussy. Actually, a little birdie told me that you didn't save me. That wasn't in anybody's like, that was fair for both of them, I feel. Well, because Kasha probably knew it. Yeah. And also like when, when was it when Max had to do. Oh, do do do do do.

34:11Trixie Mattel:What was it? Do do do. No more lies. Yeah.

34:14Katya Zamolodchikova:I was like, good luck, whitey. It's really, it's really rough. You know what I mean? Let's move on. Shout out to Kasha. So Kasha, love, love, love you.

34:23Trixie Mattel:Oh, do we have a note from Kasha? Let's see. Shout out to Kasha. It's a listen. I never got to do. Go ahead. Snatch Game. I kind of had this intuition that it would head that way. And so when we got to do the little fashion runway Bjork, I was like, okay, great. I can create this stuff out of paper and have this fabulous and the teamwork with Katya was terrific. And so I threw in Joan Rivers because I was like, you better throw something in to show people. And I thought that that was kind of headed in the right direction and then Elimination Station happened. And honestly, when I was lip syncing, I thought, oh, I won this.

35:01Katya Zamolodchikova:Damn. Not so much. Coming back. Okay, yeah, yeah. So we'll get back to that in a minute. Shout out to Kasha. Love Kasha. She has been so great to keep in touch with over the years. And she's so fabulous. And she's just great.

35:17Trixie Mattel:Her sobriety is she's very inspiring with that. Yeah. There's always time for a meeting. She does activism with like drag queens. We need children. She does this series where she reads dad jokes in drag in succession. So she has a bunch of slips of paper and they're all like Laffy Taffy jokes. And she sits and reads like 10 of them at once. Love that shit. Fierce. Oh yeah, I saw her lip syncing in a senior center.

35:38Katya Zamolodchikova:Palliative princess, Mrs. Kasia Davis.

35:41Trixie Mattel:Maybe they're doing some kind of enrollment special and she gets a deal. Yeah.

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38:09Katya Zamolodchikova:Okay, so the next episode is... This is whatever happened to baby Merle Ginsburg. This is Rue Hollywood stories, whatever happened to Merle Ginsburg. This is by far the worst challenge of the entire season. It's not good. No, and I'm going to fly by this because it doesn't deserve a lot of airtime. It really doesn't. So there's three tones and three points of view to these scripts. Merle Ginsburg, who was a judge on seasons one and two, was replaced by Michelle Visage on season three, I believe. And so they do this whole, they bring her back and they create this storyline of what happened to her from the perspective of Rue, the perspective of Merle, the perspective of Michelle.

38:49Katya Zamolodchikova:And we have three groups doing that. It sucks. But what's interesting is that there's, Merle's tone is straightforward. Michelle's the villain. Michelle's story is pretty straightforward Merle's the villain Rue's story is absurd Yes

39:09Trixie Mattel:So it's absurd in theater of the absurd To be honest The flashback elements Are the only really funny parts of this Yes Where the girls are doing voiceover Yes And then they're doing crazy shit

39:22Katya Zamolodchikova:The security camera footage I was like a human poker table Yeah That was fucking funny How did you do that? But then Fame copied me She did? Yeah, she did a back bend too. What? I think maybe she didn't copy me, but she did it too, but wasn't as funny as well. You're like, oh no, I copied her. Sorry. I think it actually could have been the case. No, it was - Or maybe it was written in. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. This was very, very, very bad. And you know, because it had to be saved by Jella Wrestling. By boobs coming out in Jella Wrestling was the only way to save this turkey.

39:53Trixie Mattel:And I have a vivid memory of Pearl telling me that, you know, the air that's frozen in there. Yeah. And you're covered in jelly. Pearl said her teeth were chattering.

40:02Katya Zamolodchikova:Like you're cold. It was not good. It was, I was so forgettably bad. And no, no, no, not bad. I was like serviceable, but completely forgettable. Ginger was so funny. So funny. She was even funnier. They cut out some stuff and Kennedy was fine. She wasn't that great. But we had a great time doing it. We knew we were not going home. All of our runways were terrible.

40:26Trixie Mattel:By far. Is this Britney at 45? Is this Britney at 45?

40:28Katya Zamolodchikova:We had the toy section and then she, and then, um, yeah. No, no, no. That was a snatch game. Okay. This was death becomes her.

40:36Trixie Mattel:How did you die again?

40:38Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, God. Shark on the foot. It was so, so, so bad.

40:42Trixie Mattel:The vampire, Candy, love Candy. Okay. That vampire was bad.

40:45Katya Zamolodchikova:We're going to go down on the list, but first let me say this about the Rue Hollywood stories. Nobody understood that it was theater of the absurd from Rue's point of view because they were non sequiturs. They were absurd non sequitur lines. Right. Like, here's a muffin from Mars. I love a strong female. Like, it didn't make any sense on purpose. Right. But so they never got that. And it didn't. They didn't get that. They didn't get that. And even if they did, it wouldn't have worked. Again, like Shakespeare, terrible fucking writing.

41:18Trixie Mattel:Just, I would say anybody competing, act really big. Huge. And let them tell you what to pull back. Let them tell you to turn it down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Make strong choices. Huge, big. Because they'll tell you what doesn't work.

41:30Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. So Max was terrible. Max was terrible. Max was terrible. That whole group sucked. Fame was terrible. Fame was awful. And because Fame got saddled. She's the worst person to get saddled with. It's theater of the absurd.

41:41Trixie Mattel:I kind of liked Ginger as like. No, Ginger was amazing. She should have won. But what she did with Michelle. Tony Soprano. Was not even Michelle. No. She made a strong choice. Yes. That totally was great. She made her an ultra villain from Sopranos. Yeah. I think I liked Kennedy. was Kennedy RuPaul. She was fine. She was fine. Yeah. Um, I liked Pearl as, I mean, I, I like all these Michelle Visage costumes and they're all doing like 2012 Michelle.

42:08Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, we were given the costume.

42:09Trixie Mattel:Yeah.

42:10Katya Zamolodchikova:Violet was not great.

42:11Trixie Mattel:Um, what did you think of your little Merle Ginsburg? How'd you feel in that pussy little wig?

42:15Katya Zamolodchikova:I felt like, um, uh, old maiden type of shit bag. I felt so with like a scarf, my brown Bob, my thin Brown Bob. And also you look like you were in the library. Not even. Like, I'm like, it's... It looks like you used the computers at the library. Yeah. It was bad. It looks like I'm, like, voting against gay rights. For sure. You know what I mean? She... Which is what Merle does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was... And also, no offense to Merle, but she was a very fucking milquetoast, lukewarm guest judge anyway.

42:44Trixie Mattel:To be honest, I think the way you played it was the only way to play it, which is to make her very Sally simple. Just like... A goody-goody. I was like... Because Michelle is written as, like, this whore who's stealing her job.

42:55Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I get a note to like, Ross is like, really, really go, go there. And so I, this is my opinion. Because Ginger's won so many challenges and they want to throw me a bone. Right. They throw me a bone. I did not deserve to win that challenge. And it's just an unobjective fact. Yeah. Ginger should have won. Ginger should have won. I mean, I think maybe because her runway was so, it wasn't bad, but it was. Yes, it was. It was really bad. Yeah. It was so bad. And mine was so stupid. It was real stupid. Yeah. Like it was just dumb. Oh, so Kennedy. So here's what I think they decided to do.

43:36Katya Zamolodchikova:They gave it to me because they couldn't. They had to dismiss Kennedy. It was crazy. They had to get rid of her. There was no way she could. There was no justification for that outfit. I even how that outfit was broken. I sewed a new zipper onto it because the zipper was broken. And while I'm doing that, this is before the run, I was like, girl, what is this? Like, what is this outfit?

44:01Trixie Mattel:This is the thing, too. It's so iconic. Obviously, she didn't have it made for Drag Race. No, no. But the question is, then what was it for? It's so iconic. It's giving Thanksgiving. It's giving chicken drumstick. It's giving hand turkey.

44:14Katya Zamolodchikova:It's so wild.

44:16Trixie Mattel:The blood coming out of the boob.

44:18Katya Zamolodchikova:Stones. All over the face. All over the face. And also the bizarrely horrendous, like abusive storyline. Well, I was out there hooking and a trick had gutted me and then threw me in a dumpster. But I didn't die. I survived. And I was crystallized. Yeah, crystallized. Very strange. I love the mythology of it, though. The three of us then are dismissed. Everybody else is on the chopping block. And we had such a great time in Untucked. It was so, so, so fun. It was the first time actually we got to let our hair down. And the three of us had the fucking Kiki of all Kiki. It was so fun and untucked.

44:57Katya Zamolodchikova:But I didn't deserve to win that challenge at all. Ginger should have won it. But I just, like, again, I think they just, they needed to just. At least your outfit showed that you died. Yeah. Like Kennedy's was not a death. No, it was not. And Ginger's was so bad. Terrible. So then let's go down the list. Fame, stunning. if she was just model enough with the mugging and the hands and stuff. If she had just pussy walked like Karen Mulder down the runway. Yeah.

45:24Trixie Mattel:That makeup. I wish I would have got to do this runway. This is one of the only ones I think it would have been 10 years later. What did you do? It was that little dress that looked like a haircut.

45:33Katya Zamolodchikova:You were electrocuted.

45:34Trixie Mattel:Yes. And I had a hairdryer that shot smoke. And then one side of my wig was completely black and blown this way. And it wasn't that great, but it was certainly better than some of the other garbage I had. Yeah. Candy hoe, unforgivable.

45:46Katya Zamolodchikova:You're a vampire. Yeah. I mean, like, and then I hated pearls. I'm sorry.

45:53Trixie Mattel:Plastic surgery. I liked it.

45:55Katya Zamolodchikova:What about that said death? She died on the table.

45:57Trixie Mattel:On the table? Plastic surgery death. Died on the table with bandages? I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. Oh, yeah. I guess it doesn't. But I love the makeup. She died of sepsis two weeks later? I like the look. I like the makeup. I like the hair slick back. I don't like it. I like the bandage around the middle. I like it.

46:12Katya Zamolodchikova:I thought she was so, I just thought she was capable and I know she was capable of something so much cooler.

46:18Trixie Mattel:Max's was cool.

46:20Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, and people didn't ever get that the first time she walked, it bled.

46:24Trixie Mattel:It bled in real time.

46:25Katya Zamolodchikova:It bled in real time but I can't believe they didn't use that clip.

46:28Trixie Mattel:Yeah, she walked and the first time she walks it bleeds down the dress. It was very cunty. It was very, very cunty. And she looks amazing. Max will probably never watch Drag Race again. She looks so fucking good on scene 7 of Drag Race. It's crazy. All of us look, Max looks like timeless porcelain beautiful cunty um and then uh violets of course so

46:52Katya Zamolodchikova:what did she die of oh um asphyxiation asphyxiation from court from too much corsetry which she did have to which she did have a moment actually i don't know if people know that that between runway walks she started to get like and had to like take a moment it was 18 inches wasn't it It was really intense and she was very in pain. It looks great. It looks cool. Yeah, it looks cool. Oh, she just like painted herself kind of bluish.

47:17Trixie Mattel:Yeah. I don't know if today you could use an oxygen tank on Drag Race. Is it ableist? I don't know.

47:22Katya Zamolodchikova:But she also had the thingy. It's like, well, it didn't make any sense. It's like, why don't you loosen the corset? Yeah. Like you're going to carry an oxygen tank when you could just do your corset. You know what I mean? Yeah. I thought it was cool, but it literally made no sense. It did make sense. I did like it though. No, no. I mean, it was legendary, but again, it just didn't make any sense. It's really cool. Jaden is no. Jaden's so bad.

47:46Trixie Mattel:Ariana Grande is the guest judge.

47:48Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Which is very cool. And she was, it was a big hubbub. Like it was a big hubbub. Like it was a big deal. Yeah. She was a huge star. And I think she had a huge entourage.

48:01Trixie Mattel:But she fell off now. Yeah. She's a nobody. She's a nobody.

48:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Who cares? It's all about Frankie. Of course.

48:06Trixie Mattel:Who else?

48:07Katya Zamolodchikova:And it was Break Free is the Lip Sync. Great song. Yeah, which I was hoping to lip sync to because then I could wrestle with the shark.

48:13Trixie Mattel:Oh. Right. You were hoping to be in the bottom just to wrestle with the shark. I knew I had a point of view

48:19Katya Zamolodchikova:during the lip sync. This is when I famously said it was a long battle with leukemia, but at least I was surrounded by friends and family. Explain that. It was a non sequitur about my death. Who did you say this to? RuPaul. So what did RuPaul ask you that you said that? Do you have anything to say? And you said? It was a long battle with leukemia, but at least I was surrounded by friends and family.

48:43Trixie Mattel:And did anyone laugh? Not one.

48:46Katya Zamolodchikova:And not even a chuckle, not even a snicker. It was... RuPaul just said, thank you. She said, thank you, Katya. It was unbelievable. I thought it was hysterical. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. I mean, I obviously died of a shark attack. Right. But it's so funny to me. That's so funny.

49:06Trixie Mattel:I guess it just do you know what that reminds me of have you ever seen Not Another Teen Movie no there's this part where this girl Janie is painting and she's like it's my mom and they cut to the painting and it's a stick figure yeah and then the guy goes she goes oh my mom died she was driving fast the roads were wet and he goes oh my god Janie a car accident she goes no cancer

49:24Katya Zamolodchikova:yeah it's great it's great it's not that

49:27Trixie Mattel:cancer's funny it's that misdirecting

49:29Katya Zamolodchikova:a death is funny it's like it's Cole looking at a picture of George Washington saying mother I love that I wish they would have aired it I know. It was so bizarre, though.

49:40Trixie Mattel:Very normcore gay people would have been in a gay bar. I'm like, yes, yes. And then you would have said that. They would have been like. They would have been like, yeah.

49:47Katya Zamolodchikova:Is she okay? I know three people who I admired that would have laughed at it. That's why I told her. I would have laughed at it. Okay. So then that's it. And then Candy and Jade. Shout out to Candy. Great lip syncer. Fabulous. Assassin. Assassin. Assassin.

50:01Trixie Mattel:Let's hear from Candy. Let's hear from Candy. Candy Marie Ho.

50:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. time at that time when i had to lip sync for the third time i was like literally over it i was i was done i was so exhausted mentally like at the at that time i didn't know what was going wrong

50:23Trixie Mattel:like why was i doing so bad but um and that really drained me that really drained me and just having to be with all these amazing drag queens with these big personalities. And I'm over here just being this showgirl and entertainer and performer. But I didn't know I was missing so many other important things that make a drag queen. So, yeah, by that time when I had to do Break Free, I was like, I was ready. I was like, okay. I can imagine. Great song to go out on. Oh, yeah. Fabulous. Because this song was everything. It was a fierce song. When they told us Ariana Grande was going to be there, that was even more of a like, okay, I got to slay this song.

51:16Trixie Mattel:I remember like they gave us that song maybe like two days before the lip sync to learn. Damn. We really didn't. We hadn't heard the song because it was new. and I remember just being in my hotel room, just listening to the song over and over and over and over and dancing in my hotel room. I was like, ah, I got to slay. I got to do this. But I don't know. For some weird reason, I always felt like, okay, I'm on the bottom, but this is my moment. I was always feeling myself so much when I was about to be eliminated. But for me, it was a great moment that I was showing my talent.

51:56Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean, like, especially because her, she got to show her, her forte three times. That's the thing.

52:03Trixie Mattel:When you're a good fucking lip syncer, it's a huge gift to be able to lip sync. Because club owners are going to hire you to do just that. They're watching. And because sometimes, you know, they're not hiring fame to do that. Yeah.

52:14Katya Zamolodchikova:You know, they're hiring her to do something else.

52:16Trixie Mattel:But sometimes they did.

52:17Katya Zamolodchikova:No, sometimes they did, but they're hiring her to do something else. Right. You know, so that, so great, blah, blah, moving on. Snatch Game. This was a really hard episode for me to watch because it's so not cringy. It's just like, oh, God, like, oh, being like vulnerable. But this is when I told Rue. This is the addicted to anxiety conversation. And also this is when I said, I have to confess something to you. I'm terrified of you. And this is what we had that moment that didn't make the cut. But that's what that's what kickstarted the anxiety thing. And then we got into a big, long conversation.

52:53Katya Zamolodchikova:because at this time I was like, I really need to go to a meeting because I hadn't, I hadn't, I had been going to meetings five days a week for about two years.

53:03Trixie Mattel:Well, I watched this episode. I did some Googling about meetings and the internet says that if it's you and one other addict, it counts as a meeting. Do you feel that way?

53:13Katya Zamolodchikova:No, not when there's cameras. Right, right. It was, it was a tough thing for me to do because I was like, okay, I know this is fake, but I know I need this. so is it even possible to be authentic and it actually kind of was Mary you're sobbing no I know but I mean like it's still not real

53:29Trixie Mattel:I've never seen you cry like that in my life to this day

53:32Katya Zamolodchikova:it's but it's I don't know

53:34Trixie Mattel:I don't know why you won't cry like that in front of me because when you pork me it feels so good do I have to wear the fake eyebrows like fame to get you to open up a little bit

53:42Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean I was like because it's staged you know they say like why don't you go talk to I mean I wanted to and we did I got over the inauthentic part of it pretty quickly because I actually felt that way. But it's just a weird thing. I'm not really comfortable with that on reality TV.

53:59Trixie Mattel:That's not my gig. I get it. I get it because there's a discussion coming up, I think, in this season about my boyfriend's family not liking drag. And that I feel like there's some things looking back where you're like, I didn't have to say all that.

54:14Katya Zamolodchikova:I wish this conversation never happened. Although I know for a fact, because I have all the fucking messages that people say, even now, they say like, you're a conversation with Miss Fame. You know, so it was very impactful for a lot of people. I do not in any way, shape or form. I've never wanted. I don't want and I will never want to be a spokesperson for sobriety, obviously. But like it did help people.

54:41Trixie Mattel:Right, because you're also almost, I don't know, I would perceive that you are taking something that's a personal journey that we all know has ups and downs. And you're inviting the world to be critical of upholding you to that.

54:54Katya Zamolodchikova:You're inviting the world to microscopically. To participate in your sobriety in a way. To monitor it. Right. Evaluate it, whatever. And so, like, me and Kasia, very, very different experiences of this. her going public about it has been very helpful for her. Sure. And I think that provides a layer of accountability. Me, not at all. In fact, it actually makes me, I don't think it makes it worse,

55:25Trixie Mattel:but it makes me lie more. To be honest, I've seen people know that you're an addict and then come up to you and ask if you want drugs. Girl, I was in Texas.

55:33Katya Zamolodchikova:I was in Texas. I was offered cocaine three times by the same person.

55:37Trixie Mattel:Love it. And I was like, cocaine people, they don't remember what they're saying and they talk a lot. So fucking crazy.

55:41Katya Zamolodchikova:So, but then we do. I, somebody say something about some cocaine, no champagne, no cocaine. Um, so let's like zip through snatch game.

55:49Trixie Mattel:Cause, um, well, there's some highs and some lows. Yeah. Um, everybody is garbage except Kennedy.

55:55Katya Zamolodchikova:Yep. No, no Pearl. Oh, Pearl. So here's my, here's my, this is my, this is my top bottom safe. Okay. Ready? Uh, top Pearl Kennedy for sure. Okay. Pearl Kennedy, top. For sure. Safe. Ginger. Ginger. You. Ginger, me. Violet. Love it. Okay, bottom. Jaden. Max. Max. Fame.

56:18Trixie Mattel:Yeah.

56:19Katya Zamolodchikova:Story closed.

56:20Trixie Mattel:Case closed. That's the truth. Agreed. Pearl was fucking amazing. She was so - She pulled that out of nowhere.

56:27Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm very excited. A medical mystery. Everything was great. The makeup. She looks like a different person. She looked nuts. exactly what you want in Snatch Game.

56:36Trixie Mattel:And she,

56:37Katya Zamolodchikova:the makeup, I'm very excited.

56:39Trixie Mattel:The makeup dialed it up to like, Madam. Also, she was like doing that level.

56:44Katya Zamolodchikova:she literally came out of her shell.

56:45Trixie Mattel:She was amazing.

56:46Katya Zamolodchikova:Like she, that was so fucking funny. It was hard to believe that was Pearl doing that. As you realize how many times I do this in my head since for the last 10 years, I'm very excited. And the little dog. It was so cunty. I've never even seen that show. Me neither. And I was like, didn't matter. That's the whole success. You know that the success of your character depends on having no knowledge of that character. Is it funny? Yeah. She was hysterical. I didn't think Adele was that funny. No shade to Ginger. It was just fat jokes. Adele was fine. We're not doing fat jokes. We're not doing fat jokes.

57:15Trixie Mattel:It's fine.

57:15Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, it's fine.

57:17Trixie Mattel:Kennedy. Kennedy. The way she took him, first of all, did a man. Huge risk. And I watched the Little Richard documentary a couple months ago. Little Richard did drag. Little Richard performed with drag queens. Little Richard wore makeup and wigs. It was like Liberace. Yes. And so at the time it was like, wow, you're doing a man.

57:35Katya Zamolodchikova:But now I'm like, not really. No, no, no. It's like doing boy George. It's like doing, um, uh, you know, whatever, David Bowie, like a kiss. You know what I mean? That kind of thing. It'd be like doing Timothee Chalamet. Yeah. It'd be doing like, um, Josh Brolin. Rosie. Rosie. But she was so, I mean, if she was funnier, like, so.

57:56Trixie Mattel:Kennedy was unbelievable.

57:57Katya Zamolodchikova:And she was so, she was, she was much wittier than she had previously been. We knew she was funny, but she was quick and witty and fabulous.

58:06Trixie Mattel:There's a part where I wrote, one of my notes is Pearl's transcendent. Shut up. Pearl's transcendent. Yeah. I don't like when people do other drag queens in general.

58:13Katya Zamolodchikova:No, but it was.

58:15Trixie Mattel:Don't do RuPaul. Don't do drag queens.

58:17Katya Zamolodchikova:Don't do Laganja. Don't, but she, it would have been better than Donatella. Thank God we didn't have dueling boring Donatellas.

58:25Trixie Mattel:Well, I wrote that Donatella's hard. I wrote that Susie is serviceable. Donatella is hard, but I love. Donatella, tell me that was your best Snatch Game impersonation.

58:35Katya Zamolodchikova:Donatella, tell me that was your best celebrity impersonation. I howled. It ate. I howled. It's amazing. I howled on the main stage. That was so funny. So there was some weird production stuff going on. I was not funny. I really did not kill. And Tamar did not think I was hilarical. So there was some weird things going on there. Right.

58:57Trixie Mattel:Tamar the girl every time she throws her head back and laughs her nose looks like a fucking light switch

59:02Katya Zamolodchikova:also like she no shade to her she is on another planet I don't know what she's on or not drugs but like she's just not on the same wavelength it was very weird she's one of us though

59:12Trixie Mattel:for sure is she? I think she's one of us what? Dragoon

59:15Katya Zamolodchikova:oh yeah she's a Dragoon

59:16Trixie Mattel:she's Dragoon yeah I guess so she's Dragoon I wrote down this I wrote Kennedy's Life Changing there's a part where RuPaul asked her a question and she says well Ru it was a bathhouse with a dark room and glory holes.

59:27Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Ooh, shut up. Like this first shut up was so funny. Like it was so fucking funny. How did she think of that? And how was she so sure it was going to be so good? I don't think she was. I mean, I think she, she, I think she was legitimately, she was incredible. She was, and she really, really, really, it was just like, everyone needs a tight screw. Shut up. It's amazing. It was the perfect, like she, it was, she unintentionally followed the formula. Catchphrase. Zippy. Like have a repeat one thing three times.

1:00:02Trixie Mattel:You know what I mean? Like it was the shut up. Perfect. And she was doing a very, even more heightened version of it, which is the key. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not all that. I hate when the Queens are like, I'm going to do the most unclockable illusion. It's not that at all. I know. And obviously I'm a master of snatch game. So you can ask me anytime.

1:00:21Katya Zamolodchikova:You got to do something. If the person has a personality that's a 7 out of 10, you get to go 14. Right. Right, right, right. So leather and lace runway. This is, to me, one of the very weakest runways out of all the girls. Oh, I've had one option, really.

1:00:41Trixie Mattel:I was going to do Lana Del Rey. I would have tanked. I was really into that album, Born to Die. Yeah. I did that for my audition.

1:00:50Katya Zamolodchikova:Audition.

1:00:50Trixie Mattel:Okay, yeah. I had a white button-up shirt, a brown wig with flowers in the hair. Oof, baby. That would have been. It would have been awful. That would have been horrible. I have never been able to do an impersonation of anyone. No. I don't have any good impersonations.

1:01:02Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean, I was going to do Svetlana Horkina, but that just doesn't. I don't. I don't. I just don't think Russian accents are funny.

1:01:11Trixie Mattel:I disagree.

1:01:12Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean, they are. But like, you have to. Like, from my point of view, I'm like, I don't know. I just. It's low energy. like it's like you know Russian people talk like this it's really low energy I don't know but fame did it

1:01:26Trixie Mattel:or no fame plane did it

1:01:27Katya Zamolodchikova:I don't think that was funny

1:01:29Trixie Mattel:oh isn't that artist Ukrainian as well Serbian but it was Slavic it was Slavic I thought that worked I don't know I was gonna do that I'm sure it also would've been bad I'm not I don't have an impersonation

1:01:41Katya Zamolodchikova:mama we gotta talk about Max's Sharon

1:01:43Trixie Mattel:oh no

1:01:44Katya Zamolodchikova:when did the hurt begin oh it was bought in house and you know what in the horrible thing and people gotta realize that position, the worst. Did it. You know that. Did it dress as Raymond. You're the first one. Did it dress as Raymond. You're the first one. You have, the girl, Ginger, had about four hours to come up with her. And by the time, if you're last, you can just make jokes about other people's answers. Hello. And then you, and you quickly realize you don't even have to answer the question.

1:02:09Trixie Mattel:You don't.

1:02:10Katya Zamolodchikova:You just have to make her laugh. Doesn't matter. You don't have to follow any rules. Just be funny.

1:02:15Trixie Mattel:Yeah.

1:02:15Katya Zamolodchikova:You don't have to look like the person. You don't have to sound like them. You just have to be a fucking idiot. I mean look at Bob doing Carol Channing

1:02:21Trixie Mattel:yeah she doesn't look like Carol Channing no or whatever

1:02:24Katya Zamolodchikova:yeah it doesn't matter it's just amazing so oh god Max was so tough and I think I was looked like Sharon the see that's what happens with people they get caught up in the look yeah they look she looked exactly like her she kind of sounded like her but there was none of the Elvira punny funniness yeah because I mean Drag Race Sharon is very witty you know what I mean Like she said what she would have answered to those questions. And it's not that funny.

1:02:51Trixie Mattel:Max sent us a voice note and she does touch on Snatch Game. So let's skip around a little bit. Okay. I'm pretty sure I just like blacked out through the whole thing. And I was up in that very first corner where I had absolutely no time to.

1:03:04Katya Zamolodchikova:Terrifying. To think or change my little, my little quips and my improvisations. So that was definitely a hard, hard, hard thing in the whole freaking episode where I got eliminated and had to sit down on stage because I couldn't breathe and all of

1:03:28Trixie Mattel:that. Not a fun time. I was mostly just thinking, oh, God. I have a lot of questions about that. I'm going to disappoint people at home. I'm going to get broken up with. It was a lot. Oh, my God. Okay. Jesus Christ. Can we just do a little bit of a... The thing is, you and I are here watching season seven. Honestly, I'm going to tell you something. I spend very little time thinking about how good you and I are. I spend a lot of time thinking about how good all these other people are. People like Max should not have anything to be ashamed of about what they did on Drag Race. I'm invisible on this season.

1:03:59Katya Zamolodchikova:It's what I did after the show. I worked in catering. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this was like, I was telling people, you want to go 10-1? Girl. Yes. There's just so much to be proud of. She's still one of the most, still unique.

1:04:13Trixie Mattel:Girl, go watch like a YouTube Max runway compilation.

1:04:18Katya Zamolodchikova:Show me another drag queen who gives the same essence. There still hasn't been one. So that is such a feat to be proud of.

1:04:27Trixie Mattel:She did good in Glamis on Airways. Everything she made was cool. Fabulous in Shakespeare. Shakespeare, she was one of the only good parts of it. Max, you were great. Her entrance look was incredible. Max is from Wisconsin. I'm from Wisconsin. Max and I went to college together and it's never addressed on the show. Max and I went to musical. You both went to Oxford? Beauty school. We both went to Paul Mitchell off the freeway. We went to school together. We did two musicals together. We went to ballet together and we both did drag but never really around each other. He was under 21. Oh my God. I was 21 working in clubs.

1:05:04Trixie Mattel:So when I showed up on Drag Race and he was there, it was so freaky. I couldn't believe it. And also he's talking in weird. That was the other thing too. Yeah. My accident from Wisconsin is a little different than his. Different areas. Fragrance and bagel. I do a drink. Yeah. But Max, you are absolutely incredible. It's crazy. One of a kind. One of a kind. Well, can we skip ahead? I mean, we do have a bunch of critiques, including before Max's corset comes off. Tamar says that you look like Britney at 45. Love that. Which honestly, now that we're seeing Britney at 45, I'll take it. Yeah. I mean.

1:05:36Trixie Mattel:And by the way, the Britney people would be like at 85. 105. Still eats, you know, Britney fans? DeLulu. Take it. DeLulu Lemon. I also just had some quick critiques.

1:05:50Trixie Mattel:Your runway look. I don't want to talk about it.

1:05:52Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean, there's nothing to talk about it. It sucks. I mean, and it's okay. A bolt of fabric? Shut up. It sucks. And it's okay. I made it. It sucks. Let's move on. Okay. I made it. It sucks. Let's move on. But I did make it.

1:06:06Trixie Mattel:My main takeaway of this is. That I have no taste. No, no, no. my main takeaway of this is that if it was a double win, it should have been Pearl and Kennedy. Sorry, Ginger love Ginger. She did great.

1:06:17Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, a hundred percent. It was, it was baffling. I mean, it was not, not baffling. That's, that's no offense. Ginger was ginger. She was great.

1:06:25Trixie Mattel:Pearl was really great.

1:06:27Katya Zamolodchikova:Pearl was overlooked. And I think that they sent Pearl. I don't know what the rationale is. I don't know what there is because it would have been a great moment to have her come out of her shell then.

1:06:36Trixie Mattel:Yeah. You know, I loved her runway. It's a pink leather lace with the waves in the hair. This is my pearl. It's pink.

1:06:43Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:06:44Trixie Mattel:This is my favorite ginger runway, the white leather. She looked fabulous.

1:06:48Katya Zamolodchikova:I think maybe that has something to do with it. It was her best look. She looked really good. She looked great. White lace is cool and different than everyone else is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was a nice, cool, like, Christian rocker shit kind of thing. Yeah. I didn't like Fame's look. I didn't either. The corset over a dress thing. Bring a book. It wasn't good. Who else?

1:07:07Trixie Mattel:I wrote on that. You have a plastic wig on.

1:07:10Katya Zamolodchikova:I had... Mama, get into this. You're not going to believe all this. What is it? Remember that Despy wig? I stacked another one on top of it.

1:07:20Trixie Mattel:You said, oh, the girls aren't ready. Well, I have one. We're going to have two twice the price. Well, they did give you a critique that it was too flat.

1:07:26Katya Zamolodchikova:Yes. And you would put another one on top.

1:07:28Trixie Mattel:And literally, I... Two wrongs don't make a right. Mama, I safety pinned it. Didn't tease it. You said, I will not give you a C cup, but I will give you two A cups. what about that I wrote that Jaden Dior Fierce is so pretty yeah I wrote that Max's look is basic for Max yeah

1:07:44Katya Zamolodchikova:the spider look oh I hated it it just was basic for Max but I love the red contacts yeah and then

1:07:51Trixie Mattel:Ginger was great I couldn't believe Pearl didn't get the win with Kennedy or just Kennedy

1:07:55Katya Zamolodchikova:it should have been just Kennedy yeah

1:07:56Trixie Mattel:yeah it should have been

1:07:57Katya Zamolodchikova:just Kennedy

1:07:58Trixie Mattel:Pearl had a great runway and a great big and so I don't know who else

1:08:01Katya Zamolodchikova:oh Violet lovely that's an M

1:08:03Trixie Mattel:mama no leather no lace that was vinyl That was vinyl. It was vinyl. But I love the bondage. I love the...

1:08:10Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean, it was literally that John Willie pinup. Like, it was a picture-perfect reference. I mean, she really, for 21, had so many references. It's crazy. It's crazy. She looked fabulous.

1:08:20Trixie Mattel:Fabulous. Her competence with presentating on the runway was... Presentating. Higher than all of ours. Yeah, her comfortability with presentating.

1:08:29Katya Zamolodchikova:Presentating. She was be presentating. She was... It was... I mean, again, she's just like... Again, no Google. No nothing. She had these fully realized looks with clear points of view.

1:08:39Trixie Mattel:She was really special. And good presentation. It wasn't just a look. She had a good presentation. Now, I have to record scratch everything and ask you, because I was not there, what happened with Max on the runway? In your memory.

1:08:52Katya Zamolodchikova:In my memory, it was cringe. So, she said something was going on with her corset where she became uncomfortable. okay I maybe I'm going to try to not just make things it was not good for her it was not a good look for her she it was kind of like wasting time like she needed to take a break like okay that's fine I guess she was maybe feeling something really uncomfortable with her corset and I guess she took a little break she took a moment but then she started singing

1:09:28Trixie Mattel:and it was like she was taking off her corset all of a sudden you guys heard

1:09:31Katya Zamolodchikova:I always pop y 'all pussy like this yeah and I think Rue made a joke there was some kind of prompt about Judy

1:09:41Trixie Mattel:I don't know Max told me I think I remember Max saying that RuPaul said while you're down there why don't you sing a few bars

1:09:48Katya Zamolodchikova:as a joke

1:09:51Trixie Mattel:and then Max did I think as kind of a joke but that didn't play that way on TV

1:09:56Katya Zamolodchikova:no and also it was like it made her look unhinged I think that the subtext of that comment was, hey, take all the time you need down there. It's not like we're just filming something. That was the vibe. Because she was like, Mary, we're filming a show here.

1:10:13Trixie Mattel:Max said, don't make me sing. And they throw a cane and a top hat. It was like, yeah.

1:10:19Katya Zamolodchikova:Because we're standing in five-inch heels, uncomfortable, waiting. Critiques. Critiques, yeah. It was inconsiderate and it was a little self-indulgent, but I don't think that it was intentionally. No, no, of course not.

1:10:34Trixie Mattel:But, but it, it would just look nerve. Yes. It was nerve to be. And honestly, this is not any weird thing to any editor. That's a weird way to edit that. I know. It's a weird way to edit that. And you have to know that you're making someone look. To be honest. Cracked.

1:10:49Katya Zamolodchikova:I have had moments, not exactly like that, that have been completely edited out. Right. And we'll do again. Yeah. No, but I mean, I've had humiliating moments. I dropped the fan in Reggie Rochu. On the second take.

1:11:04Trixie Mattel:In All Stars. They could have included that and maybe put me in the bottom or whatever. In All Stars 3, I had to pie someone in the face and I, the first time I dropped it.

1:11:12Katya Zamolodchikova:There you go.

1:11:12Trixie Mattel:And I remember dropping it and thinking, I'm going to lose.

1:11:14Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, exactly. Like, I mean, I've said really bad, you know, whatever. Like, there's a lot of choices that the editors have to do and they make their choices and whatever. But it was not a good look for her, I think.

1:11:26Trixie Mattel:yeah that's the end of the but honestly as far as runway looks if this is your week one max really

1:11:32Katya Zamolodchikova:is gorgina and polished and but the point of view at that age is truly spectacular she was about violet's age like 22 21 i was 32 with that wig love it both no both wigs both of them there was

1:11:46Trixie Mattel:two yeah so the lip sync starts it's jayden d 'or fierce our sister who lands in the bottom against max this is jayden's third time lip syncing this is like uh no second time lip thinking?

1:11:57Katya Zamolodchikova:This is like, uh, why would I describe the imbalance of power here?

1:12:03Trixie Mattel:Jason Kelsey turning to Taylor and saying, go long. I don't understand any of that. Jason Kelsey? Oh, okay. So it's Travis Kelsey, the football player, turning to his girlfriend. Taylor Simpson saying, go long.

1:12:15Katya Zamolodchikova:Yes, yes, yes. And she's like, yeah.

1:12:17Trixie Mattel:And Taylor, you know, she has the guitar on, the sequins. She just, she jumps down in the stage. Right. She's like, I don't have time for this. I'm going to someone's house to surprise him with Christmas gifts. I'm re-recording my own music I can't do this right now you know yeah apples and oranges so it's just not the song for Max no and Jaden's a Jaden was a play Nashville girl yes they do what eight numbers a night five days a week mama

1:12:41Katya Zamolodchikova:sweetie baby darling

1:12:42Trixie Mattel:Jaden is a great lip syncer and that song you say I love me you love me but I want you to know it was a sister tune yes it was a sister tune I wouldn't pick it for Max in the clubs no not for that tall gangly white man. For Max, I would pick from The Shining. Midnight and the stars in you. You know, I wouldn't pick that. Or even, batter up. Hear that call. The time has come. Yeah, or like a Gaga ballad, or I don't know. Yeah. And Jaden, like. You'll be grand. You'll be great. Gonna have the whole world on a plate. Yeah, totally. Totally. We gotta go. We gotta go. Okay. But shout out to Max. Jaden lives another day.

1:13:26Trixie Mattel:Yes. And Max, honestly, for seven episodes. Yeah. Great run.

1:13:31Katya Zamolodchikova:This is her first time in the bomb.

1:13:32Trixie Mattel:You got nothing to be ashamed of, Boo.

1:13:33Katya Zamolodchikova:Of course, the episode ends with the bomb that Rue's bringing someone back. I'm like, motherfucker. I had no idea who it was going to be. All I know is that that means that it's going back in time.

1:13:46Trixie Mattel:You have to understand from a competitor point of view, you realize that you're now going to stay an extra day. Two steps forward, three steps back. because when Morgan came back on All Stars, I remember being on receiving end of that and being like, now we're staying another day.

1:13:58Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, no shit. And I was like, okay, so now I'm definitely number whatever. Now that could be, you know, I mean, you don't necessarily advance.

1:14:07Trixie Mattel:And you didn't know that I was behind that curtain holding in a big mess of diarrhea ready to squirt. And you didn't know that I was back there. They had me in one of those - Double fisting dirty diapers. Yeah, they had me in one of those beauty pageant isolation headphones because I couldn't hear you guys. But I had big potty and it was wet. And I was standing back there, clenched, just waiting to walk out on that runway and just flood the girls.

1:14:26Katya Zamolodchikova:You're coming through the curtain, butt first, butt first. Blowing. Just blowing.

1:14:32Trixie Mattel:Bye. Blowing. Bye. Bye.

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