Ten Queens, Five Suitcases, No Dignity: All Stars Season 2 with Trixie and Katya

9:23Trixie Mattel:which is what I'm at passions right now. Yeah. I have a phone app. I have a phone app called Notes. Yeah. And I have, I'll type a movie and I will recast it myself for my own enjoyment. Love that. Right now I've been working on The Hunger Games. Okay. recasting the hunger games cat piss ever stream most people right now are lesbians i'm trying to

9:43Katya Zamolodchikova:switch it up though yeah the sapphic switch yeah yeah okay fierce and then we're doing recap we're doing movie reviews we're doing recaps of rupal's drag race i'm excited for the drag race one because

9:53Trixie Mattel:i had a really good time doing seven last year yeah and all stars two is so good it's great it's really it's really action-packed and i'm not in it it's all joy for me there's no and also can i I just want to say, this is the cast. You guys are all so good. I know. For how old the season is 10 years ago.

10:11Katya Zamolodchikova:It's amazing. Yeah. Well, you know, we'll get into it. I'll save my thoughts for the camera. But like, yeah, no, it's great. It's really good. And whether or not you're going to watch it again, I think it's a lovely season to talk about.

10:21Trixie Mattel:And then we have a third tier for the top tier Pussy Premium Divas. Yeah. And that's all this extra content. Like, we're talking Flying Pete to Canada to film out of the country.

10:30Katya Zamolodchikova:This is like Emmy award winning featurettes. And we haven't won anything yet. But we will or we should. And we're not doing payola. That's where you come in. You give us money, then we'll buy the Emmy. Right. But it's, no, I mean, I think they're great. I don't, I don't want to, I am old and I don't want to spend one minute of my life watching something I don't want to watch. That is the tea. And I gobbled up every single minute of these featurettes and they're so fabulous. They're so fabulous.

10:54Trixie Mattel:I'm also excited because honestly, we have a PhD in free content on the internet. We have put out thousands of hours of shit together. Yeah. And I'm excited to put out something that is like the direct to consumer farmer's market experience. Homegrown. Come into my garage. Yes.

11:12Katya Zamolodchikova:I'll sell you a watch. It's very that. This is me coming up to the street. It's Movado Watch. Movado Watch. Yes. And the watch works.

11:18Trixie Mattel:These are my Dooney handbags. Come get one. Cocaine. But anyway. But if you just want to stay with us on the pod, you can just keep doing that. Things are going to change. No one's going to hurt you. You don't have to choose who to live with.

11:31Katya Zamolodchikova:It's like, oh, I want to live with YouTube. I want to live with Patreon. No, you don't have to make that decision right now. We're not going to drag you into court. No. You're going to rip you away from your mommy or daddy.

11:37Trixie Mattel:And if you listen to the normal pod, like you're in the car right now, you will just continue to get the normal pod in your own life. Yeah.

11:43Katya Zamolodchikova:And then instead, but the good news is I'm breaking this now is that instead of ads, we're going to do

11:49Trixie Mattel:Kumbaya, my lord, Kumbaya.

11:53Katya Zamolodchikova:Instead of ads. There's a feature that it's a hidden button, but you can press it. But we're so excited about this Patreon. It's going to be really something special. And that's why we've waited so long. We didn't just jump on the Patreon bandwagon, bloodthirsty monsters, creatures trying to scrounge. They cornered us. They cornered us. They cornered us.

12:10Trixie Mattel:In the Jewish faith, you have to request to convert three times. They did it like seven times. No, the rabbi says to say no three times. Did you know this? That's kind of us with Patreon. I'll pay. It was like, no, then come back later. No, come back later. It was very that. I'm listening. Yes. You know what else happens? We had to wait for us to get a little more dire financially. things had to get a little darker they had to wait for the chapter 11 ink to dry absolutely so i'm excited but now can we stop blurbing because i want to talk about drag race oh yeah i've been waiting to talk about this shit girl well i'm a very special surprise some of this from this season is shit that i put on when i'm drunk just to watch it okay like wait what read you wrote you oh yeah yeah the red calls read you wrote you i'll be putting this shit on just

12:53Katya Zamolodchikova:to watch it yeah you know it's so yeah i met i met this guy and then he said something fun let's move on yeah i uh it was it's great it's really great what do you have to surprise us with well i don't know if i should drop it now we'll get into the episode and then i have a special surprise from one of the contestants oh one of the contestants i don't know if i should drop it

13:10Trixie Mattel:now you stand up and the turd falls out of the bottom of your leg shake it out on your white yes um so i gotta think you and i were just maybe starting uh or had just started or hadn't started

13:21Katya Zamolodchikova:i now i was i remember very vividly i got the well i started calling designers and by designers i mean designer because i only knew one right and i called jane doe from nina kate from jane toe latex when i got the list of stuff i was in england and this was very soon after season seven if you remember it was very soon aired yeah and then there was season eight and then all stars too it was like months later it was it was in the summer right it was in this yeah i i think it was like maybe eight months after the season it was not a i could be wrong about that but i i don't think so because it was like 2015 2016 no it wasn't a full year because i only think there was one because you and ginger had just done they filmed a season then they filmed our season and i don't even think at the time of filming right eight had aired yet you guys filmed right after

14:11Trixie Mattel:season eight i think the workroom was still set up and everything mary this was logo tv baby he

14:15Katya Zamolodchikova:It was there. This was Logo TV, honey. Oh, Logo Golf Channel. I mean, like, where is it? Can't find it. It doesn't exist anymore. It's on the fourth Golf Channel. It's on ESPN 8.

14:26Trixie Mattel:It's on G4. ESPN ESP. I just, I remember we had just done Besties for Cash or like whatever. Or we had just done that fashion photo review. Around the time you got that. And then maybe we started, because I feel like I remember you coming to do in All Stars drag outfits.

14:44Katya Zamolodchikova:the last episode oh yeah because i right i think i can i can badmouth the person now

14:49Trixie Mattel:who can i badmouth somebody are you kidding i live for this do you ever watched an 11 part series on tiktok about someone's divorce do you know how in i am with this is what i had to do

14:59Katya Zamolodchikova:there was a magazine called queen magazine he's the horny little bastard and i wanna i wanna i wanna i wanna I was...

15:18Katya Zamolodchikova:Not on the Patreon. Not on the Patreon. Yeah, if you want to pay,

15:25Trixie Mattel:you can pay$20 to hear this sickening hot tea. I can't believe you just said it because I was... Okay, one of the original business starters of Queen Magazine was in Drag Race, and I just saw him in the episode, and I went, oh my God, I forgot about that. I forgot all about this.

15:41Katya Zamolodchikova:I didn't I don't I don't I don't have the brain I don't have the brain with to hold on to grudges because I don't have a lot of real estate up there that's still working but I had I petitioned it's a studio apartment like if you want to take something home you gotta get rid of something it's like it's like a shared bathroom down the hall FEMA trailer I'm in there with my with my marathon shivering shitting myself like Uta Pippig run the Boston Marathon I I had to petition. Now, I had to stuff an extra outfit into my all-stars, very limited all-stars to five suitcase allotment, or I had to select some.

16:24Katya Zamolodchikova:Anyway, I had to petition them to let me stay an extra day at the hotel after filming was done because I was asked to do a photo shoot in what I thought was a very prestigious opportunity. for queen magazine uh-huh so cream magazine was a it was brand new brand new and a big glossy nasty

16:46Trixie Mattel:that you know what before i'm not here to critique people's business successes god knows i've closed businesses it sucks but the quality of that magazine was beautiful i'm telling you it was

16:55Katya Zamolodchikova:like the man it was like beautiful it was like one of those old school art um magazine um that you that is just like you know with 30 dollars and you get it gorgeous you get on that franklin the corner of Franklin on Franklin Village you know those like art magazines you know what I'm talking about

17:10Trixie Mattel:it's Franklin Mint Franklin is really what it is it's a Prince Bernet it's a Prince Bernet's yeah

17:16Katya Zamolodchikova:so it was gorgeous I was very I was gonna be their cover girl I think for their first issue wasn't it Alaska it was and it was Alaska a change at the last minute because they had rolled their dice and thought I was gonna win All Stars 2 before the season was even videotaped or filmed. They were like, we got to get her. And then when the season was done, the photo shoot was completed. And I don't know who, I think that they probably learned because this guy whose name rhymes with Giles Javis Judy. The country did this to me. The dick's responsible. Miles Davis Moody, a former pit crew member who is a big flop.

18:04Katya Zamolodchikova:He is, I mean, I don't know him well enough to, to, I don't know. In this very, in this instance, I don't think anybody's, this person's not evil, of course, but this was a very, I, this was a big flop. And so they, I shot with Magnus Hastings, who I love. Love. And we did a fun, really great, nasty little photo shoot at his place while at the, right after I finished filming the season.

18:28Trixie Mattel:Was it the one at the picture of the snorkel?

18:29Katya Zamolodchikova:No, no, no, no, no, no. This is much later. I don't think this, I don't know if these pictures ever saw the light of day. What? I was in a red leather, like red leather leotard thing with some crazy hair in front of a cool Mylar backdrop. It was a very cool photo. I could probably find it somewhere. I'm not sure. But they just booted me off the cover. And I don't know. Sorry, ugly. Say bad jobless. Sorry. Sorry, sweetie. We're going to go with someone pretty. Yeah. We're going to go with someone who won. Right. And so that was never, it was never like the, hey, we're so excited that you're about to win all stars.

19:03Katya Zamolodchikova:there was not that discussion was all behind the scenes and so when when i think when alaska was it was clear that she was going to win or i don't know what the internal but that i was booted off the magazine so yeah it was interesting well yeah it was a beautiful magazine yeah i wish it was

19:18Trixie Mattel:still going i think they owe people thousands of dollars yes at the time though i don't think there had been anything that was showing drag queens as so the the focus of an art book like i wish it had been successful because i think it's i think it's nice yeah well you go bankrupt I'm not my Nikki fan. They go bankrupt, not me. But I'm saying, you know, I like the effort. I wish that it would have worked for everyone because I like the heart, I think, is in the right place.

19:42Katya Zamolodchikova:Usually when you start a business, I guess these days, although if you're a venture capitalist and then somebody invests in you and you flop, they lose the money. I think that's what happened. But the customers, I think, preordered a bunch of stuff. Oh, really? I don't know anything about that. Yeah, it was a big flop. And I think people lost a lot of money. People who, customers who paid for subscriptions or whatever. but we can because when you show up at the Trixie Motel it's just an empty lot

20:02Trixie Mattel:but there is a flyer there's a flyer hey that's something yeah yeah

20:06Katya Zamolodchikova:and if you really want the experience you should go on Instagram

20:08Trixie Mattel:oh my god what do you think is going to happen at the drag sale this weekend selling a lot of stuff can I tell you what I think is going to happen what unmanageable flash mob Ariana Grande at the mall level

20:20Katya Zamolodchikova:honey this ain't my first rodeo don't underestimate my power to control people because I will whip them into a frenzy metaphorically speaking. Not very big. Because I feel like people are going to buy one button and sit for a while. Listen to me. Listen to me right now. I worked at Dorothy's Boutique for seven years. We had no space in there. Right. So our capacity was probably comfortably at a hundred customers. We had a thousand outside. I was working the door, taking bribes, doing crowd control, yelling at people, stopping people with a stick. You worked the door? Yeah. Like at the club? I made five to$600 in bribes every shift.

20:56Katya Zamolodchikova:I said if you're really serious about getting this sexy gas station attendant thing for your girlfriend and getting home before 8 o 'clock put your hand on the money grip take that money, roll it up shove it up my pussy I was like listen baby this is America you want to get to the front of the line show me some Benjamin Jefferson show me the Benjamin Jefferson

21:15Trixie Mattel:give it to me now show me that paper with Michelle Obama on it right now the Benjamin Jefferson it's the Benjamin Jefferson honey who is Benjamin Jefferson Girl, I'm telling you that we're - Thomas Jefferson, who's on a nickel? This is how you find out they were giving you fake money. They gave me those Benjamin Jeffersons.

21:31Katya Zamolodchikova:They gave me the Florence Joyner curse. They gave me those Abigail Adams coins. So I remember - No, so I can control. So the sale this weekend, this will have gone up already, but the sale will have been a success and everybody will be pleased. And some people will be heartbroken only because the stock went out early. I'm selling stuff too.

21:50Trixie Mattel:And I deceptively had a lot. Yeah, no shit. A lot.

21:55Katya Zamolodchikova:Well, we're selling everything that ain't nailed to the floor.

21:58Trixie Mattel:But I was like, we don't have much. I went through the closets and re-econored it where I went another pass.

22:03Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. You gotta do three.

22:04Trixie Mattel:You gotta do multiple passes.

22:06Katya Zamolodchikova:My rationale is nothing is priced ever because that's the fun of it. Yeah. I don't price. No, no, no, no. Nothing's set in stone. Everything is negotiable. It's a very bizarre situation.

22:16Trixie Mattel:I think Brandon and his mother are selling my drag. Oh, incredible. Love it.

22:19Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. It's Hagalina. It's Hagalina. It's Hagalina And you gotta come in And you have to have You know You gotta have your Venmo code out You gotta have the cash flow Flowing And then Let's talk It's really a social It's fun But people gotta wait And they're Listen There's the squirrel downstairs That's a restaurant There's the The convenience store Across the street That sells one paper towel And then they got a Mexican place too You can get something to eat It's a lovely little area Yeah Yeah I hope it goes well Of course it will I think it's gonna be An unimaginable flash mob I do Well there's a parking lot They can do the flash mob if they want.

22:52Katya Zamolodchikova:But these are all people, listen, if we know anything about a lot of our fans, they're not exactly violent people. Okay, they skew extremely respectful. They lack the confidence to take a swing at anyone. Thank you. They're very, they actually, they skew shy.

23:06Trixie Mattel:You could slap them. What do you think I just did?

23:08Katya Zamolodchikova:Crowd control. Right. Yeah.

23:17So,

23:18Trixie Mattel:I remember, God, 10 years ago, in 2016, we had just started You and Ginger, I remember, got the call. And this was the second All-Star. So I have so many questions because this season sets the rules for so many All-Star seasons. I know. And I'm watching it going, okay, you guys, we can talk about it in order, but I'm like, you guys, your only point of reference was All-Stars 1.

23:39Katya Zamolodchikova:Which we was so long ago in such a flop. I liked that All-Stars, but I don't think people loved the team. Nobody did. Not even the girls on the show who were incredible, by the way. It was an amazing cast too. And they did a lot with not very much. They did a lot with not very much. And you know, it was just a big, I think it was a big flop from the producers point of view because nobody wanted teams. Drag queen, drag is not a team sport. But you know what I bet it was?

24:06Trixie Mattel:And nobody, I have no idea. I bet they only had enough money to a finite amount of episodes. And so if you're in teams, you eliminate two at a time, don't you? Oh, I think that's a -

24:16Katya Zamolodchikova:So you could have a bigger cast with less episodes. That may be true, but I feel like that displays a massive lack of imagination because it's like, well, then why don't we just eliminate two girls? Or eliminate the bottom two. Or if like, if you win, you get a gun and you get to shoot whoever you want. They can't come back.

24:32Trixie Mattel:They can't come back. They're dead. We were shocked because I walked in thinking. Because we had no way of knowing that you guys were, that Earl Starge was happening. It wasn't like an annual thing or anything. No.

24:43Katya Zamolodchikova:And I think one of the producers had very, very obtusely, very vaguely planted a seed in my head about, hey, just so you know, I mean, she didn't even say it was so crazy. It was like, I heard, did somebody say something about an all-star season? It was very that. It was like, did somebody say something about all-star season? But also it's like the last thing you're worried about in that scenario. Well, I'm worried about how to get my luggage from Darlington to fucking, to Chatham or whatever the fuck. I was in England. Right. And your acne. Because that was - My adult, at the time, the acne was really - I'm on Accutane.

25:14Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm worried about my unborn baby. Right. I'm gonna have great skin, but my baby, one R and just -

25:21Trixie Mattel:A lot of night games.

25:22Katya Zamolodchikova:What tore down hit baby? Walking into All Stars - She was chapped, but she could burn an outfit. She was chapped, but she could breastfeed all night long.

25:31Trixie Mattel:She was clapped, but she could burn an outfit. So none of us had any idea that All Stars was a thing. None of us were like, see on All Stars, it wasn't a thing. It wasn't a thing.

25:41Katya Zamolodchikova:And this was eight seasons, six seasons. And, you know, way back in season seven, I remember thinking that the shark had jumped, whatever the fuck, the show jumped the shark at season six. Season six was kind of a creative or quality apex. And then it was like either you could argue that it was. I mean, it really was. But I wouldn't say I don't think it's fair to say that it was a downhill thing. I don't think it's linear, but it was a reorganization, a refresh, a redevelopment of the whole show in general, you know, because season seven was not a step down. It was a different staircase. right do you know i mean a different stage different whole different dynamic of people

26:17Trixie Mattel:yeah and we did as you guys don't know we did talk about all of season seven last year yeah so if you could you could go watch that before you do this but yeah but this chronologically season seven airs we filmed the finale several months later you're doing this yeah i think like six

26:30Katya Zamolodchikova:months later maybe or eight months later yeah they called and then they sent they called and they sent um again not a lot not enough time to come up with the outfits especially being on tour I only had three bots. No, I was on, I was doing my solo thing. I was like doing club gigs. You know what I mean? I was just like going around doing club gigs. And in England, I know I was talking to Nina on the phone in England and designing, like trying to help. Nina West, your designer. Nina West. All my Disney outfits. Because there was Ariel. There was Moana. There was Belle. And then there was the teacup.

27:05Katya Zamolodchikova:And then we couldn't figure out the teacups. We did the beast. No, but I, you know, we got the list. But then I remember I was at Jacques. I remember very, oh, I remember exactly where I was, where I had the conversation about the talent show. And we've got a special guest who was talking about her talent show.

27:20Trixie Mattel:Okay, great. Because I also wanted to say, so let's get into it. Cause I want to talk about, this is also the invention of the talent show.

27:27Katya Zamolodchikova:Yes.

27:28Trixie Mattel:The Drag Race talent show is invented.

27:30Katya Zamolodchikova:So many firsts here. Terrifying first. Terrifying. So we, can we just start, we go chronologically. Can we start with the episode, the top of the episode? I walk in first. You walk in first. First, first. And I butcher and mangle my catchphrase. It is absolutely not even remotely. They needed to get Connor's story down here to coach you. Not even remotely grammatically even have anything to do with the Russian language. What did you say? I said, so if you're saying happy something like happy Mother's Day, it's a very idiomatic grammatical construction. It's like, it literally means with the day of Mother's.

28:05Katya Zamolodchikova:It's not happy. It just doesn't work. It's a very, it's an idiomatic, non-translatable.

28:10Trixie Mattel:If a Russian person saw it, would they be like, what was that?

28:12Katya Zamolodchikova:Absolutely. Absolutely. They would have not one clue about what I was saying. But don't you think they're flattered that you tried? Maybe. Because I did, I did say like, I'm the first one, which I think I said correctly. And then I said like, which is girls, whatever. So I got, had a very, but so I'm wearing this wig, very Peggy Bundy with a very strange. Yeah, let's talk about the wig. Because I, let's take a break.

28:34Trixie Mattel:I, I, I. I know you hate the wig.

28:37Katya Zamolodchikova:I do it.

28:39Trixie Mattel:What? I don't hate the color. I hate the bangs. Oh, the bangs are. It looks like someone threw it on with one hand from behind you. And it stuck. And it just stuck. It stuck. Yeah. It's not even like framing your.

28:53Katya Zamolodchikova:It's just kind of like curtains. It's curtains. And it's so low. It's dead by here. Yeah. It's so low. You're going to have an eye patch on underneath it. Underneath the bang. And they couldn't because I was wearing a latex outfit that was custom made by Jim Doe again. It was cool. um it was off the rack it was but it was customized sure customized and um then uh which would we later turned out to be a a tough point for tatiana who had the same outfit not customized in black yeah so i come in they had to wire that they had to wire me in my hair because latex does not

29:26Trixie Mattel:microphone and because you do broadway because so they had it right in here for it right i just We'll talk about it on All Stars 3, but I had that latex thing. Yeah. They put it in the wig. In the hair. Yeah.

29:38Katya Zamolodchikova:In the hair. So that's why it was all messed up. Because they had to take it off and then throw it on me. Did they then fuck the wig? Did somebody put their huge cock in the wig? Yeah. It was actually filled with cum. So I come in. I'm like, you know what? I'm like, I'm coming in off of this is my mindset. I'm very aware of my popularity. And I'm aware of the fan favorite status. Yes. And I'm aware of the discrepancy between what I am capable of and what people want me to do, or, and also the perception, the misperception of my ability through the lens of I like you.

30:14Trixie Mattel:100%.

30:14Katya Zamolodchikova:So you're dealing with, all right.

30:17Trixie Mattel:I'm very popular because of my personality, not because I'm a good drag queen. And now you have to live up to, if you're people's horse in the race, you have to run.

30:26Katya Zamolodchikova:Yes. Which I have to run. Yeah, yeah. I have to run. But also I am aware. So I'm aware of being overrated. I'm aware of being overscored. I literally thought you were going to say overweight. Oh my God. Oh my God.

30:39Trixie Mattel:I'm aware of being overweight. No, shut that up. I literally thought you were about to say that. I'm aware I'm overweight.

30:45Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, I know I'm biggest house. I'm going into this. I know I'm fat. And I'm comfortable. I'm not only comfortable, I'm happy. Right. Yeah, no.

30:52Trixie Mattel:So you're aware that you're rated. You're disgust. You're excited. I'm happy she's here. which is why they put you first. Exactly.

30:59Katya Zamolodchikova:Because people are going to know you're going to be there. And coming off of season seven, which was literally two weeks ago. Yeah. I, you know, I was, I was a very, towards the end of the season, people wanted me to win. I, you know, we've talked about this, but I never thought I was going to win and I didn't really want to. But the, so I'm aware of being a fan favorite, right? So the fan favorites is a big expectation. I also objectively know that I'm overrated at this point and that's fine. That's not my fault. That's not my fault. You're just living. I'm living. I'm living, making mistakes and just being myself.

31:27Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm actually getting overrated. I think people are excited about you. No, no, no, that's two different things. People can be excited and that's just excited. They're just emotional. We're like, love her, she sucks, but love her. Tea though.

31:39Trixie Mattel:Tea though. I mean, I love - That was me during this talent show when we get there because some of these I was like, I know this sucks, but I'd watch it again right now. Coco's, are you kidding me? I'm excited.

31:50Katya Zamolodchikova:Excited. I mean, it's so horny. When it hits that crunch. When she hits that crunch. Girl. I mean, I think of the Vernonator immediately. I think of Wendy Williams, like Brittany walking with the jewelry clanking. It's so awesome. It's incredible. It's so dystopian, post-apocalyptic. It's so postmodern. It's so outrageous. It's like AI. It is, but no, but it's still very human.

32:15Trixie Mattel:Like you went on like Gemini and you're like, show me a video of Coco Montrese in a narrowland. A silent movie. Yeah. A silent movie. Well, sure.

32:23Katya Zamolodchikova:All that's missing are the title cards. like and then I grabbed the hat or and then I my husband wasn't there dot dot dot like all those silent movie title cards are missing because if you put it in black and white and you frame it as a silent movie a silent scene a scene in a silent movie it's actually like very on point but as a talent show it's like I have a question before we get to talent show now did you know now I did not know anybody coming in now I'll run let me run down you didn't know who was gonna come no and you as you know you were first on your season right yeah yeah you're in there for so long they give you too long they give you way too long just chewing up the scenery after two seconds of me rollerblading around

33:02Trixie Mattel:I'm like four scores and seven years ago like I don't know what to do

33:06Katya Zamolodchikova:how long is it between the next person that comes in at least ten minutes I think ten minutes is probably a little long I mean I would say it's at least five five is a long time to just riff by yourself who's from out of town yeah it's like where are my dykes at do your brunch jokes Yeah, it's like you're looking in the mirror. It takes a lot of money to look this cheap, gal. And it's like, you know, and also when you're talking, we're not talking to anybody. You're not, I'm not the type of person. I'm not the type of person that's going to do like my little scene from Night Mother or like, or whatever.

33:35Katya Zamolodchikova:They should have sent Alyssa in first. She would have been like, thank God I can just. That is a very great suggestion. She would have just mugged. I should have been right before Alaska. Or not invited. Not included at all. I would be, you see me from behind one of the cameras,

33:51Trixie Mattel:like you're behind the mirror. Yeah. the light splash on it it goes off again someone's like what was that

33:55Katya Zamolodchikova:and then the next one is my butt by the mirror when I have like in like Kung Fu Hustle when the little boy's butt is always showing and I'm like

34:08Katya Zamolodchikova:so Detox comes in looks amazing yeah 10 out of 10 oh I love this outfit 10 out of 10 she looks great the neon the earrings she looks so fabulous and it's just a perfect it's a perfect casual theatrical casual like I mean it's a great It's a great detox look. It's a great quintessential detox look. And I love her. Oh, she looks awesome. I love her. And I'm like, oh, that's great. I'm just happy to be with her. I'm happy to really get to know her. Then we got Alyssa. Mama, this outfit. Melissa comes in. Melissa Edwards with this outfit that is just psychotic. It's so bipolar. Very her though. It's everything in the kitchen is bipolar.

34:46Katya Zamolodchikova:It's like a skirt, a corset, a cape of like, and then the bow bow and shoes that don't match at all it's great it's so i need to get in this

34:56Trixie Mattel:gig it's so crazy it's exciting though she really is so dazzling it's just she's she's the best she's the 11 herbs and spices yeah any drag race she's the missus dash bam missus dash

35:07Katya Zamolodchikova:you don't need salt and pepper it's all the rest of you could go home and she just yeah it's incredible i loved every minute i gotta say it was every minute filming with her was fantastic because she showed up always on and she was never like she whatever we'll get to it but she was just fabulous and then we got ginger no sorry yes no i think it's fifi it's hold on i have a list

35:29Trixie Mattel:riddle me this riddle me that girl i'm a dog and i'm a cat i don't know what it's like it was that

35:34Katya Zamolodchikova:it was it was that was the vibe because it was it didn't you know what it didn't run can i hate i

35:40Trixie Mattel:I hate mother goose. I hate, I know. Crunch the crunch and munch the lunch. I'm gonna go to brunch. Like I can't.

35:47Katya Zamolodchikova:Also if you're gonna do it, if you're gonna do like a limerick or something or like that. Do Robert Frost. You know? Two forks in the road, ho. Diverging in a covered wood. The path less traveled. And has made all the difference. Yeah. We're gonna do, where's the Emily Dickinson? We're gonna do the Virginia Woolf. We're gonna do, Oh, flops. Bring a little doll. Old Hollywood. Something. Yeah. It was, it's so boo boo. and it was the number I mean the outfit was like okay it's uh I do like the outfit I don't know if it's well executed I suppose yeah I don't like purple and orange or purple and orange I also never turn up green and orange it was green because it's the Riddler green and purple

36:26Trixie Mattel:I mean I love DC I love Batman it's Mardi Gras I'm not really ever a fan of like golden cosplay

36:33Katya Zamolodchikova:on Drag Race no I mean it's kind of inappropriate it's just not the right venue for it she's but I cosplay in general but i just never like turn up fordome drag race yeah i don't either i don't think it makes your face looks good also the riddler is like what did we joke what are we what what do we got questions about what do we got questions about what's confusing what's the riddle riddle me this he's a super villain he terrorizes batman with riddles i bet you can see katya from your backyard well that gets really awesome that's the riddler she's the riddler she's see the riddler wouldn't the riddler she's ridley scott what do we know about the riddler he would never come out and say, by the way, I'm the Riddler.

37:09Katya Zamolodchikova:Right. He would put a Riddler cosplayer in the mix and then he would come up with his hat. Yes, of course. Alyssa, my dear, it is so horrible when you're near. Great. Mother goose. Mother fucking goose girl. So we got, okay. So I put it all down. Limericks, nursery rhymes, and internal. Yeah. My hair, weird microphone in. Alyssa looking crazy. Detox amazing. Ginger, hate the coat. Love the bathing suit.

37:31Trixie Mattel:Oh my God. I forgot that I also took notes.

37:32Katya Zamolodchikova:Hate the coat. Love the bathing suit. oh her body looks great the body is fabulous it was one of those um i feel like it's a it's a semi-rare moment when she made a really great all the proportions are fabulous yeah in in the the detail on the side with the lace and the giant bow is like really chic yeah and i think that you

37:51Trixie Mattel:know she's got a all the proportions are really like slamming the body is just ginger's body is maybe the best ginger body shot we've seen on dry rip to this point the coat hate it but ginger it's great to have ginger back um yeah wait what were your thoughts on having your season seven sister there my best friend when you well i was just relieved at this point to have my best friend

38:12Katya Zamolodchikova:just kidding that is your smoking buddy though yeah you think you've got your smoking buddy at this point oh yeah i'm smoking i'm smoking i am i'm sorry but i'm smoking and yeah no but see here's the fun part is that roxy and detox become my smoking buddies of course so that's where i really like i know i got to know roxy on this scene sorry x program but i i get to know roxy and detox where this because when you as you know to your to your aggravation when you have a horrible life crippling addiction like smoking that makes no sense you're allowed all this extra time in professional environments to just go to just smoke and so we we would go out and smoke as a group and you know when ginger got chopped in episode three the three of us became the smoking crew and we were we get to know each other and there's no cameras out there because they don't the logo didn't do smoking on camera and no untucked do they do hard ice out there yeah smokers you know what we get they try to get people to smoke and smokers get rewarded at every turn so that's this is the this is the double-edged sword of the smoking is that yes you trade your life in for a wonderful social activity sure so you would you make friends you make lifelong friends and then you die of course

39:19Trixie Mattel:but it's it's lifelong friends that life is six months yeah lifelong at the ripe old age of 48 they died of emphysema not to mention drag queens from florida smoking i'm assuming is on a different level i'm assuming those bitches can put them away mama i can put them away too right it's a race

39:32Katya Zamolodchikova:thank you that's the real drag race yeah but it was honestly if it was like nowadays i'm thinking you know because smoking is back horribly but it was it was uh that's where the real that's where the real the realness happens you know because we're not being yeah you're on and untucked nothing's real and untucked but like yeah you're not when the camera's on you you're not real you You can be as real as you try to be. And if you're, if you can, you can actually try not to perform and you can not be performing, but you're still on camera. Right. You know? And so, you know, and so, yeah, I just, I loved getting to know them because we're so different, but I, but you know, they're great.

40:08Katya Zamolodchikova:Especially Roxy. So, but this, this is like, we can still hear her voice. This is where Roxy and Phoebe, especially in ginger, they, they walk in doing something that I think is so gauche, which is to say, I'm here to prove a point.

40:25Trixie Mattel:Can I tell you, I took a note that this is really the redemption season. This is the season of everybody has a personal, everybody saw themselves on their season of television and wants to use this opportunity to pivot public perception, which I don't think is bad. It made for interesting viewing for me because it makes me get invested. I'm like, is Fifi nice now? Yeah. is roxy different like you're like katya it's like is she gonna get over her anxiety yeah ginger she almost won is she gonna win yeah yeah and i don't mind that i'm invested i don't mind it

40:58Katya Zamolodchikova:either but i what i do from a psychological point of view and just as a social from a social point of view it's more of a show not tell thing with sincerity like you know you can say all you one on reality TV, but we're going to look at what you do. Right. You know, because we're going to if you come out swinging with the words that immediately sets you up for a comparison of like, OK, is she full of shit? Is she walking the walk after having talked a big talk? Like whenever somebody comes out, I'm going to win this challenge. It's like, girl, they're going home.

41:32Trixie Mattel:And you also have to be careful about, OK, I learned this from I don't even want to say who, but I learned this from somebody in reality TV and it's cunty. If you think someone's jealous of you, you don't sit in an interview chair and say she's jealous of me you sit in the chair and go i don't know why she acted like that bam you let the audience at home thank you decide they're jealous like so you look crazy if you say she's jealous

41:51Katya Zamolodchikova:and also you say you're like okay well this person now is um so it's like i'm not gonna kill you why would you say that now all i can think about is you killing me right but you might not be a

42:03Trixie Mattel:murderer but now i'm all thinking about you being a murderer there was this woman she pulled up in a car out front of my house and Brandon saw her out there in her car and she said to Brandon don't worry I'm not going to whip out my dick or anything now Ollie what are you thinking about but Brandon was like I didn't walk out here thinking you were going to do that yeah but now that I noticed that you're saying don't worry I'm not going to show my dick or anything yeah would you got bigger when I was like yeah kind of suspicious yeah it is yeah a person who

42:31Katya Zamolodchikova:wasn't going to show their dick might not have said that at all yeah so and I you know this is all now again nobody forces you to say anything you are definitely encouraged to say things and and if you want to i mean the more that you talk the the happier the producers will be because the and the more you talk about that the even ecstatic the producers will be because they got more to to build a story and of course they're looking for story beats and they're it is all edited after the fact the story is created after but they have they have got an agenda for sure they don't have a rigid one where i i always think that like you can even the production company way too much credit you think they got winners planned they have it out for you like anybody got no no no no no no because you don't want the most watchable people they want the most volatile people they want the most because the only thing that's it is the kiss of death in reality is boring yeah mid boring and mid is the kiss of death they want spectacular they want devastating they want a fail or they want a success nothing in the middle right we're

43:32Trixie Mattel:We're 40 minutes in and we're just at the entrance look, so let's keep it rolling. Okay. Damn. So we get the reading.

43:40Katya Zamolodchikova:You know what? What? No, go. We get the reading challenge. Yeah. Did you know who was gonna be there? Did you know what you were gonna talk about? Yeah, we got a whole list of, we got a list of like 35 people. It was crazy long. What? I think you were on it. In fact, I know you were on it.

43:54Trixie Mattel:Why are they being so secretive the day before?

43:56Katya Zamolodchikova:I don't know.

43:57Trixie Mattel:Because they don't want you to know who's gonna be there.

43:58Katya Zamolodchikova:You were on it. I think Robbie Turner was on it. There was a whole bunch of people. so many people Venus Delight everybody was on it everybody was on it you're outplayed at night with your scroll writing reads

44:06Trixie Mattel:for every person who ever lived

44:08Katya Zamolodchikova:yeah and the reads were so bad I disagree

44:13Trixie Mattel:really I mean the bus stop one was pretty devastating

44:16Katya Zamolodchikova:but it's not really a read it's more of like a roast kind of comment like I'm just gonna bring up your trauma

44:21Trixie Mattel:with no punchline what I did like about it was that you said it delivered it like you were actively sorry for saying it which made me laugh I was I was I know I was it was like at the bus stop. It was like you knew in the moment that you were like,

44:35Katya Zamolodchikova:hey, how y 'all doing?

44:37Trixie Mattel:It was like apologetic.

44:39Katya Zamolodchikova:I mean, I just met her. So it was like, oh no, that's true. Yeah, I just met her. She's fine. I thought it was way too far. So I did apologize later. I love when someone calls detoxinitas delight. The mother goose really is. I mean, she went down the line too. I don't even remember. I don't even think they showed one clip of me being read. They didn't. They didn't. I never got read in the episode.

45:00Trixie Mattel:What did she say? Alaska. Alaska.

45:04Katya Zamolodchikova:You can see Katya? I bet you can see Katya from your backyard. What? Get her some smelling salts and call 911. Because Sarah Palin was on the news cycle talking about how, remember Tina Fey was like, and I can see Russia from my house. I do know the reference. Okay, but still, that makes no sense. It makes no sense. There's no Sarah Palin. Is Alaska Sarah Palin? Are you Russia? Right. It's so crazy. Yeah, it's so crazy. Also, it's like, but she's anyways. One fish, two fish. Red fish, blue fish. It's like very Dr. Seuss. But no rhythm or it's not even funny. It's so crazy. Also, Alaska's intro took five long minutes.

45:45Katya Zamolodchikova:Five long interminable minutes. What do you mean? Her umbrella at the entrance. Oh. Five long. She was doing Moby Dick. I did like the plastic bag look. Oh, no. Her makeup is amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

45:57Trixie Mattel:She just looks really beautiful. She looked great. I like your out of drag look.

46:02Katya Zamolodchikova:You have so much hair. I know. I wrote, I wrote, we were given a long list. My darling dear, I can't stand it when you're near. Yeah. Alaska, I'm sure Katya can see you from her backyard. Like what? What is that? It's Cunty. It's Cunty. Coco, Coco, Team Coco. Loved Alyssa's reads. Oh, I thought she had the best reads. Beast. She was like, Monsters Inc. Got it. Ron. Ron. Heal a monster. Beast. Perfect. Freak. Just go boo boo boo boo boo. She's a fucking freak. She knows how to be an entertainer within the time constraints. She knows how to keep it snappy, keep it moving. And she gives us beast, which is amazing.

46:42Katya Zamolodchikova:It's so great. So, so good. De-dragging, I have hair. Thin villainous lips. Gorgeous blonde hair. Thin villainous lips. No. Oh, you just don't have lips. Where's my camera? Cardell.

46:54Trixie Mattel:Cardell. It's very dark. No, that was, I mean, that's your lips. That's your face. That's your face. You know what I love? This happens, I think, in the next episode. But they go, all right, give us a top of the day soundbite. And you're like, I hate this top of the day soundbite. It's so bad. I'm feeling sexy. I'm feeling grateful.

47:13Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm going to take the crown. And then they all walk in. Remember this day, big energy, big energy.

47:17Trixie Mattel:You're like, fuck off. But I also hate that. I hate when the girls walk in holding hands and someone hits a pose and says like, new day, let's get fierce. Do you know that if I was in there? I hate it. Katniss Everdeen, I would be taking these people out. Sir, camera one would be like, I would have one of those headphones on, I would say, what did she say? Yeah, I don't like that. Out. Face full of acid. You're done, you're done. You're done, you pissed me off.

47:43Katya Zamolodchikova:I would be like, energy, face full of acid. Face full of acid. So, okay, Rue looks stunning. I love these red blondes and mixed blondes. I thought are in the running. Perfect shape, perfect volume, perfect hair. Okay, I also have to say,

47:55Trixie Mattel:I know we're running a little over, but I also have to say this is the introduction of these all-star rules at all. So RuPaul, it's a two bait and switch. RuPaul first says to you guys, there's no eliminations. There's no eliminations. And I'm assuming that means you guys think that no one's going home.

48:09Katya Zamolodchikova:I thought it meant we're going to get points. And I was like, thank God, we're just going to get points and then Alaska will probably get the most points and she'll win and then we'll all go home and we'll have our dignity.

48:18Trixie Mattel:What was your thoughts also on getting$10 ,000 if you win the lip sync? That never happened either.

48:23Katya Zamolodchikova:I didn't care. I didn't care about the money because I was making money. Do you know what I mean? I was like, yeah, that's great. But money there doesn't even make sense. It doesn't feel real. It doesn't feel real. And it's not real. And plus, I had just been traveling. And yeah, at that point, I'm not making that much money. But I probably have$15 ,000 in cash in my bag.

48:43Trixie Mattel:Something you have to remember, too, is none of us are ever there for the prize money. No. This is not a cash grab. I'm not saying we don't want to make money after. None of us are there. Our priority is not$100 ,000.

48:55Katya Zamolodchikova:No, it's just not. It's not. The money is also, it's so piddly, like not to be gauche, but at this point, if you're going, if you're a very, if you're a successful drag queen from Drag Race and you're going back to all stars after several years after a season and you've been working and building a career, you're losing money by being there. If you make it a long time sometimes because you're not making a hundred thousand dollars, which after taxes is only like 50 and then you're forfeiting it. You could be forfeiting$50 ,000.

49:23Trixie Mattel:You could be losing months of gigs.

49:24Katya Zamolodchikova:months of gigs and then also although spending a hundred thousand dollars on costumes which you didn't I did and that's clear and that's clear I did not I did not now let's talk about my eye-popping

49:36Trixie Mattel:talent show number look okay I just okay I'm not even joking because I sorry

49:42Katya Zamolodchikova:we can go down the talent show real quick and easy okay dirty RuPaul's astounding to look at love her this is love it astounding jewelry hair gown beautiful beautiful beautiful no notes Raven Simonier guest judge the look is not the tea

49:56Trixie Mattel:I like it you like that blue lipstick I'm glad she's swinging for the fences she swung it's and she gets some barbed wire over the fence yeah I like the hair with all the jewelry in it I hate the whole look

50:08Katya Zamolodchikova:yeah but good for her swinging big so let's go down the line okay Adores first yes rough rough to start at the time I remember thinking I was like I thought she sounded great I thought she looked great she is a great singer yeah but starting with that ballad that has not one ounce of humor not one else it's like it's nobody knows it nobody's heard it before it's a ballad it just made no sense at the top of the show yeah so i understand their critiques i do think they were so mean to her and they were even more mean without unedited version they were and let's be honest that whore can sing she can sing she sings very very well but mary that the critique was rough because we were all watching we didn't go to untucked right we're all in the back no first of all so then she told before the talent she tells us that we're going to be sending each other home that's right she's is it before or after it's it's before fierce and then elissa

50:57Trixie Mattel:gives us that look straight to camera which i love yeah she's um setting each other home and it had never been done at least when i did all stars i had prior conception of that yeah

51:06Katya Zamolodchikova:what a crazy thing to be surprised with yeah like it was it was a on you know how sometimes at this point in the show when they they drop a bomb you're like oh god this was a genuine actual like

51:18Trixie Mattel:your system hasn't even thought about that as a what if genuine shock yeah because i'm watching it being like you guys have no idea you're in real time finding out the rules that basically become the all-stars rules and it was crazy brilliant kudos to the fucking production team

51:31Katya Zamolodchikova:because they really i think consistently almost every episode maybe every episode yanked it off yeah yanked it off the eliminations are shocking every time this season every single time and everybody's got a point of view everybody has a backstory that's not forced really even if with a preexisting relationships.

51:48Trixie Mattel:Hello.

51:49Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. Like access to grind, points to prove, reputations to rehabilitate, and also just talent to show.

51:56Trixie Mattel:And also knowledge of like, after this, when I see that person out in the world again, how does this affect that real life relationship? And it really does. And it really does.

52:05Katya Zamolodchikova:This was a big, everybody came out of this season a different person. Yeah. Everybody. Well, everybody got a lot of plastic surgery. RuPaul makes everyone get pissed. Yeah. So, Alyssa eats Okay, talent show. Adore. Alyssa. Conti. Eats. Hate the outfit. Hate the outfit. Hate the outfit. Also, love the puppet. Love the puppet. Love the dancing. Love the whole thing. But Mary, why not just a whole leotard with the things dangling? Yeah. It needs to be the black panty with the visible stomach. It was just not the best outfit. It could have been these days. She would have came out there with a more complete, unassailable dance costume that would be so kind.

52:47Katya Zamolodchikova:She killed it.

52:47Trixie Mattel:Love the puppet. Alyssa starting talking to a puppet of RuPaul in front of RuPaul like work. Work. And all lip synced. Also recording. It introduces you to the audience. Yeah. It was just I thought it was amazing. She's great. Coco. Jesus Christ. It was. Can we see icons?

53:05Katya Zamolodchikova:Because I want to say what was it really like in the room? So we're on the side there as now everybody does in the talent show. They're the peanut gallery, right? And we're watching and I'm like so I was like in my mind so as a competitor when you see somebody when you get to watch the other challenges sometimes you don't get to do that when you do get to see people flop you don't want them to flop but you do want them to flop because their flop is your success right it's a ladder it's an organization of I got two competing storylines in my head I'm like what is what in the David Lynch is happening right now what in the Barton Fink fucking Coen Brothers bizarre post like modern what is happening like what is actually happening because all i know about coco montrees is that she's an incredible lip singer electrifying entertainer extremely tiny i don't know if people

53:53Trixie Mattel:know coco montrees is very tiny 80 pounds five two tiny like she's tiny yeah she's tiny and i'm like what and she's an incredible i'm not going home she's an incredible face tuner right like i'm not joking no no i look i think digital artist is what you mean her and sammy landry from from from Canada's Drag Race. Those are my retouchers. That's who I want doing my photos. Body. Sammy does the body. Coco does the face. It's incredible. Coco, she snatches in her waist by way of stretching her hand. Work. It's interesting because the archway

54:25Katya Zamolodchikova:behind her is now dipped. Girl, it's incredible. Yeah. I love it. Detox. She only did it once. So we ran through all we ran through all these. So baby, why have one? We can have two twice the price. Coco did it twice. You have to realize that as if we go back to glamazonian airways i didn't flop once i flopped twice she flops twice and the second time is almost more surreal because you're like you're like you're like because it's like what did i just see deja vu what i just see is like did i just see that i'm actually not even sure oh i did

54:56Trixie Mattel:it can i tell you but i'm watching i watched this episode with mr wonderful and by the way somebody told me to not call him blanket because it's re-traumatizing blanket jackson that's t so now it's Mr. Wonderful. But Mr. Wonderful said it's the only one I would watch again. Immediately rewind it and watch again. Coco? Yes. Because it's like you are like what? What? Hold on a second. Hold on. Wait what? And so good and bad is one thing. Rewatchability. Iconography. There's other levels that have nothing to do with good.

55:29Katya Zamolodchikova:No no no no. Memorability. I'm Roxy Andrews and I'm here to make it clear. I know you love me baby. That's why you brought me here. do what like there's some things are who cares if it's good and it's like it's like in this the cardinal sin in the snatch game is trying to is sacrificing um memorability for accuracy right like you don't care we don't care do you laugh is it funny is it memorable right we don't care about accurate who cares about accurate anyways well shakari wilson would never say that you know

55:53Trixie Mattel:what i mean like yeah no bitch exactly that's a good drag that's a good snatch game shakari wilson with the nails on the wig yeah just take off running yeah parking lot and didn't she get in trouble for marijuana? Love. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got ginger. Oh, wait, no, we got a batch of detox. I love detox as talent. I love detox as talent. It's just funny that they say detox, talent, singing. And they cut to her fingering herself to paint. Like, by the way, it is singing, but it's just funny that it's mostly like stripping and like sexy moves. They could have said detox, talent, sex. And I would have been like, sure.

56:29Trixie Mattel:It's just funny that it's singing and she's like...

56:32Katya Zamolodchikova:He's paintings with his hard dick. Right. It's very that. It's yarn out of the pussy, like knitting. It's performance art. It's Carolee Schneem and Interior Scroll. But I love that they called singing because it is, but it's fucking funny.

56:42Trixie Mattel:Yeah. And then we got Ginger. Bad song, bad outfit. Ginger is a great singer. The song is so whatever. It's so forgettable.

56:50Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. It's so forgettable. You don't want it. It's so, it's corny. I hate the outfit. I hate the wig. I hate the makeup. It's a big flop. I am so excited to not be on up for elimination or on the main stage because there are a couple of indefensible parts features of my outfit. What are you talking about? I'm just talking about the flood water. Oh, the length. The length of the catsuit in the ballet flats. The no nails. The no nails is crazy. The no nails is crazy.

57:16Trixie Mattel:Like not even a short active oval. Nothing. Because I'm not doing anything that is. Mr. Wonderful goes, wear her nails. Thank you. She's doing a handstand. Love the hair. Love this crunchy. I love the scrunchie. I love the jacket take off. Yeah. Also, my main note is, can you do any of this still? No.

57:34Katya Zamolodchikova:Because it was amazing. I was thinking, I mean, it's very level one gymnastics. The press, no, the press is very impressive. So one thing they didn't, I tried to do a different version of the press and I couldn't get up.

57:45Trixie Mattel:I was astounded with the back bend and the walk. Yeah. I was in pretty good shape at this point. The handstand with the legs like this around, like.

57:54Katya Zamolodchikova:it's also nobody else can do it no that's very yeah i was like okay so my talent is basically one move i'm to be honest like everybody calissa can do a split somebody else could probably do a backband nobody can do a press handstand so i thought it was a press handstand so a press is when you when i go when i lift when i float into a handstand and hold it that's a press right yeah that is very very very difficult not you have to be so strong to be i remember when you could do

58:20Trixie Mattel:all this so i was watching it going i wonder if she can do any of this girl i did a handstand

58:24Katya Zamolodchikova:against the wall i was i almost fell down work fears legs broken yeah um fifi oh no rough oh no oh no this is really rough and now i remember it not being so rough in the room but why was we watching it i was like oh white hard work wig oh it was just in the makeup is horrible and the skater dress oh it was such a mess and the tights don't match her body it was such a mist it was such a big, big flop. And listen, I have flopped many times on camera. Big time. I flop hard. It's also like a boogie-woogie number. I don't like that. It's like, let's pick up the pace. Where's the music?

59:00Trixie Mattel:It's like Mambo No. 5 playing. It's really weird.

59:01Katya Zamolodchikova:It's like a little bit of Monica in my life. A little bit of Sandra in the sun. Where's the beat?

59:08Trixie Mattel:Yeah, sorry. Yeah, it's hard. And you know what Ginger makes me? Give me a beat! Ginger makes a good point. Like, even for great singers, you don't sing acapella. Acapella's hard. Acapella, you know what acapella is? Because you got somebody doing du-a - Do a... Yes, of course. Wait, I have a quick question.

59:24Katya Zamolodchikova:Did you have any alternates for your talent show? Like if you could do gymnastics? Oh. So they did reach out to us before we did because they were floating. They were workshopping the talent show idea. Interesting. And then we have a voice note from one of the contestants about her talent show that talks about this very aspect. So I want to play that part. Let's hear it. I'm excited. It's very long.

59:45Trixie Mattel:Hey guys, it's Tatiana. Long time listener, first time caller. So you guys wanted to hear about the same parts from the first episode of All Stars 2. I'll start by saying that I wrote the same parts when I was, I think, 16 or 17.

1:00:04Katya Zamolodchikova:It was not called the same parts. It was called something else that I cannot say on here.

1:00:10Trixie Mattel:But I actually, for my talent show, I had something completely different planned, but it already had that like copyright free music for the background. And literally the night before we did the talent show, I was like, I don't think what I have planned is going to work. So in the hotel room, I was like, if I take this music and I take this ridiculous poem or rap that I wrote 10 years prior, if I slow it down, maybe I can do something with that. So that's what I ended up doing. um and i remember on the day of i only rehearsed it in the hotel and in the shower that morning when we did a like staging like blocking run through before we actually filmed um they like mic'd me up and all i did was block myself i didn't actually say anything into the microphone

1:01:04Katya Zamolodchikova:which made the producers like nervous annoyed they're like are you gonna say anything i'm like

1:01:08Trixie Mattel:don't say it when i do it because i'm someone who it's i'd rather just do what i know i'm going to do rather than rehearse in front of people so when i do that same part's performance it's the first time that i actually did it in front of anybody so that was interesting but it went very well and um i will say i was surprised that i was like i thought it was going to get me safe I did not think I was going to be like one of the top two. So that was super cool. But yeah, that's the story of the same parts. And then we obviously filmed that wrapped. I ended up working with Michelle prior to All Stars airing at all.

1:01:52Trixie Mattel:She was working in D.C. at the club that I was working at the time. Town.

1:01:56Katya Zamolodchikova:Town.

1:01:56Trixie Mattel:And she was like, I hope that you plan on releasing that as a song. And I was like, I didn't really think about that. And she's like, you'd be an idiot if you don't do that. So go do that. And I was like, okay. So it was Michelle's idea. Or she put the idea in my head. I would have died. I would be poor. Dead. Dead. Dead. So I got with two amazing producers, Mark Berry and DJ Mad Science. And they produced the same parts, the dance track. So good.

1:02:25Katya Zamolodchikova:And the rest is history.

1:02:26Trixie Mattel:That's all the info I have on the same parts. But love you guys. Talk to you later. Bye.

1:02:30Katya Zamolodchikova:Thanks, Tatiana. That was, and the rest is history. And I certainly made my mortgage payment. We're in around town doing that song.

1:02:37Trixie Mattel:I called her this morning. We were talking about something else work related and something about same parts. And she said, well, you know, I owe you guys. She said, because without Katia, I don't know if the song had ever done so well. I said, yeah, isn't she kind of like your music publicist? She said, basically. But I'm sorry.

1:02:50Katya Zamolodchikova:I'm sorry. Like, so a sitting, I, so I had asked her what she planned on doing. And, you know, I would talk to Alaska briefly in the workroom who I kind of found irritating because she was always doing a shtick. But Tatiana was really excited to get to know because she's very real. She's very chill. And she reminds you of me. Yes. Very youthful. Very pretty. Yeah, so got beautiful teeth. And she was like talking about this thing. She's like, I think I'm gonna do a spoken word thing. I was like, girl. It's like, good luck. I thought she's like, she's insane. She's literally insane. She's gonna go, she's getting chopped right off the bat.

1:03:23Katya Zamolodchikova:And then she did that. I was like, it was by far my favorite number. Oh, we've been watching it. By far. She also performs it with so much conviction.

1:03:32Trixie Mattel:She committed to the bit. And the fact that that was her first time, that's the first time she's done it, actually is like mind-blowing.

1:03:39Katya Zamolodchikova:Also, she won with me. I mean, fresh out of art school, kind of. I was like, not fresh, 10 years. The music cracked me up. Well, this piece is called, this piece. That's when she won for me. This piece was immediately, when the bowl cut. This piece. Oh.

1:03:54Trixie Mattel:Yeah, yeah, no. Oh, is this yours? Oh my God. It's on print. Am I being bugged? I was like, what the fuck? What? That scared me. Lights come action. I was like, what? Well, can I say, we also skipped over a couple. We did skip over, I mean, she's by far the best. It's one of the best drag numbers I've ever seen on Drag Race. We have Roxy. I, only re-watching this did I realize the wig reveal is a callback to her own wig reveal.

1:04:19Katya Zamolodchikova:And she, the only thing I didn't love, love, love, love, which I thought this number was spectacular. Awesome. Spectacular. She looks so pretty. It's just that weird horizontal line of right on her panties. That's the only, I mean, the tiniest little quibble I have, this outfit, which is perfect. And she looks so incredible. Once the fans come out, I go, you better work, you fucking whore. And she's just so, I mean, she is such a fabulous entertainer. She really isn't. She just looks great. I love Roxy. I really love Roxy. Alaska, great. Love the wig. Yeah, great. Love the whole number. Yeah, the number's great.

1:04:52Katya Zamolodchikova:This is a great Alaska number, too. Yeah, it's perfect. And then Tandiano with the ninth inning shocker. Incredible. To go last and come out in the bowl cut and serve all you bitches. Yeah. Incredible. And then also them having them just, they're perfectly suited, perfectly yin-yang coordinated for a lip sync. Yeah. Cunty. Yeah. This is where Adore gets thrown against the wall by Simonier and Visage. Oh my gosh. Really aggressive.

1:05:22Trixie Mattel:Really.

1:05:22Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah, I think at this point, it's a whole, again, it's like we're very, like, Rue the whole season was like, you guys are the best. I wanted you all here. We really felt honored and we felt very flattered. Yeah. We really felt flattered. Like, we're like, oh, yeah, we really felt like somebody. And she was always having a blast the whole season. And we felt like, oh, my God, like, yeah, no, we kind of are great. and then so i think they were they were kind of looking for where's the bar for the critiques and they just went too much on the first episode they just went too much well they went too far can i split the difference which is now that i've been a judge i do feel like what are you what are

1:06:05Trixie Mattel:you doing if you're not critiquing your job is to help people by critiquing you don't need to be mean though yes yeah so i understand i also understand you sign up to be critiqued yep yeah And also, was it Adora's best look ever? No. No.

1:06:19Katya Zamolodchikova:Was it Adora's best performance? No.

1:06:21Trixie Mattel:No. No. And so the bar is only high because you also all are so good.

1:06:26Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. And you're really, and then people, you're performing not for strangers. So they're evaluating you against you.

1:06:34Trixie Mattel:Yeah. And Adora's headspace too. Like I know Adora a little. This is a different headspace than I think Adora is in now. Adora seemed in this, we're going to get in the next episode, but Adore seemed a little raw for this all to be happening. Yeah. And she critiques hit her really hard. Yeah. And I know she's not one of the girls in a way. Like she's not,

1:06:53Katya Zamolodchikova:she's a, she's a pop star.

1:06:55Trixie Mattel:Yeah. Like at this time, I don't think kids today know like Adore was a crossover pop,

1:06:59Katya Zamolodchikova:like pop star. Yeah. She's a singer. She's a girl. She's like, she just, I never thought of her as anything other than a singer and a girl. Yeah. Before she transitioned too, right? Yeah. Yeah. She was like, she plays by the rules. She's not, she's, she takes, She lives in this fashion world of like a female singer to me. Do you know what I mean? A grunge singer. I'm not happy she's in the bottom,

1:07:20Trixie Mattel:but I'm happy we get, I don't belong here. Yeah. It's so awesome. Yeah. It's like, I know it's horrible to watch someone go through something and like love it. But as a viewer, I'm watching it being like - Again, shocking. I will be putting that on Twitter. Shocking. Do you know how many times in my life I've gone, I don't belong here. Like at the doctor's office.

1:07:37Katya Zamolodchikova:Girl. At the preschool, picking up my son.

1:07:40Trixie Mattel:I'm an Adore fan. And it's just, it's hard to watch somebody really cry. This is, spoiler alert, this is the crying season. Yeah, a lot of crying. We get crying every episode from multiple people. Guess you didn't cry the whole time. That's not true.

1:07:50Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, I did. That's true.

1:07:52Trixie Mattel:Next episode.

1:07:53Katya Zamolodchikova:I didn't cry in episode two. Did you think Adora's drag was controversial? That's what they kept saying, a controversial drag.

1:08:00Trixie Mattel:Because it was like lower maintenance, I guess.

1:08:03Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, listen. This is for all the bricks and all the girls who are not doing the most in drag. I see you and I love you.

1:08:11Trixie Mattel:No, adore, like maybe I'm whatever. Adore, honestly, I think ushers in what comes next in drag, which is this super, polish is not the focus of drag. In the queens that come after us.

1:08:25Katya Zamolodchikova:Personality over polish. Drag changes in a big way because of adore. Personality over polish, which I would, when I went on the road for a couple years after All-Stars doing personality over polish, Mary, I wore out this cheerleader outfit that someone gifted me. Mary. as my main performance costume because I was very clear that people were not coming to see my step down number.

1:08:46Trixie Mattel:The sequined t-shirt dress that says bonjour.

1:08:47Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. I was not going on the road to do my step down number from Miss Continental with my Coco Vega$75 ,000 gown. Do you know what I mean? You were. And I was. You were. And that was never me and I never felt insecure about it. People probably thought I should but it was very, Adore kind of paved that road for me. People talk about us now like that.

1:09:06Trixie Mattel:Like nothing's changed. Excuse me. You and Katya, you just do your thing And people just love it My favorite is when people say you guys could just shit on camera And the girls would eat it up Chomp chomp I also wrote, I love that RuPaul specifies RuPaul says you win $10 ,000 cash She says it like she's going to come out there with a tray And count it out like a bank This is where she debuts dollars Yeah,$10 ,000 cash Like she's going to come out there in front of you Like a notary public at the bank and like give you 20, 40, 60. Like with the balls.

1:09:40Katya Zamolodchikova:And then she's gonna, oh, oh, oh.

1:09:41Trixie Mattel:And this is also where they introduced the running gag of judges being bored during deliberation.

1:09:46Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, I loved it. You know, I would, I, I, what I think that that missed opportunity was watching is like, you know how they do the cash machines that count it? I think they should have had a cash machine that flung it at you in real time. Oh yeah. That would have been really great. Rather than come from the ceiling or come, they should have just put it in the, like a dollar bills in the cash machine that just flew right at you.

1:10:08Trixie Mattel:Oh, you know what I wish they were doing, Drag Race? Do you think they've ever done the phone booth with the wind, grabbing the money? No, that would be great. In drag?

1:10:16Katya Zamolodchikova:Yeah. With makeup.

1:10:18Trixie Mattel:Can I do your makeup with the powder and everything? Absolutely. You know what? I would come ready. Fly paper on the hands. Scotch tape all over your face. Oh, can I say, Katya, oh, so you just found out this day, this is how they're doing eliminations. Yeah. For you, when you're four hours of processing this, what is your point of view personally on how elimination should be done? Because everybody has a different idea. I want to know what you thought.

1:10:44Katya Zamolodchikova:We came up with a consensus. I remember there was a not a very rigid, but there was a penciled in group consensus that we were just going to go with the judge's critique. but also like what are we all having i think it was with our opinions and the opinions of the judges all the information available with our own observation who do we think is should go home like it was a more objective observable criteria with that challenge now it gets a little funky in the in the in the because it wasn't cumulative because i'm just wondering because us on season

1:11:20Trixie Mattel:three and beyond we also can decide how we want to judge oh yeah based on how we've seen all-stars to go exactly like you guys have no prior knowledge yeah of like fan backlash for eliminating someone like you have no yeah well we're not nobody's stupid in that in that area and i think that in

1:11:37Katya Zamolodchikova:the future episode in a future episode very soon alissa will make a decision that's based based more about what the fans will think of her than what is objectively who is objectively the least strong in the in the in the challenge are you yeah yeah and i'm like great but guess what that's also an asset but i also think i'm like i yeah i think if you win the challenge you should be able

1:11:58Trixie Mattel:to eliminate anyone based on i just don't like you bitch do whatever you want you want the challenge you won the challenge you're too cheerful in the morning i don't fuck with you and i have no issue with i'm eliminating you because you're the best and i want to win i have no issue with that i love that actually remember when naomi did it life's not fair i love it's the best tv and it's

1:12:15Katya Zamolodchikova:also really helpful for you tea it's like yeah i don't want to have to be like i just get rid of I want to make fabulous TV and also want to make it easier for myself to win.

1:12:25Trixie Mattel:Because something they don't really talk about is, I mean, we'll get there, but something they don't really talk about is sending someone home and ruining your career by pissing off fans that way. That's something they don't ever really talk about until later seasons. But that is something that you guys probably like.

1:12:40Katya Zamolodchikova:And it's a nebulous thing because it's also, again, this is show not tell. It's show not tell. You don't, these are things you don't say like, I'm a really great person. No, I'll believe it when I see it. Yeah. You know, like, and it's, you got to make up some, you got to, you got to spin a yarn or whatever, but you're like, how do you, how do you convince somebody you're a good person by doing good things? Right.

1:12:58Trixie Mattel:And cause you whip, you kind of want to show people your girth. And your cock. Your huge cock. You want to show people the girth of your cock. Okay. I have a voice note from, um, wait, wait, wait. Nevermind. It's for another runway. I got a voice note from Fifi.

1:13:10Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh, fierce. Well, I think, and then who goes home? Oh, so. Wait, does anybody go home? The lip sync is. Coco. Take it off.

1:13:17Trixie Mattel:Oh yeah. The lip sync is take it off. Taylor Swift.

1:13:19Katya Zamolodchikova:Shake it off.

1:13:20Trixie Mattel:Shake it off.

1:13:20Katya Zamolodchikova:Take it off. Shake it. Take what off? Take it away by Christina Millian. It's Bake It Off.

1:13:26Trixie Mattel:Bake It Off. It's a great lip sync. Sure. It's a great lip sync song. Yeah. It's great. It's upbeat. It's great. It's got a crescendo, whatever. I love this. And Roxy wins. Yeah. Coco goes home. Shout out to Coco.

1:13:38Katya Zamolodchikova:Shout out to the art.

1:13:40Trixie Mattel:Shout out to this. And it's fierce. I can't wait to see what happens. I know. And stay tuned. Cause it's really going down next episode. Well, if you're staying here on the pod with us next week, we're going to go back to current events, you know, the four or five. But if you're following us over to the to the piece, then we're going to be continuing with episode two, three, four, five and beyond. And I'm really excited because I just love this season. You guys. And this is a note to any of the girls out there who might be listening. This is the best season of Drag Race. The cast is horny. Yeah.

1:14:11Trixie Mattel:And even us critiquing it, making fun of it. We're talking about the best fucking season.

1:14:14Katya Zamolodchikova:Let me very quickly wrap a final thought. You know why I think it's the best season of Drag Race? Because this cast has not grown up watching Drag Race. Oh! But it's true, though. I mean, I'm one of the, Tatiana's by far the youngest. And then it goes up to Alaska, who's maybe 30. And I'm 32 or 33. I think I'm 34 here. And I'm not, like, I'm maybe the, I think Coco's, like, in her 40s. Like, this is a very, not a young crowd. This is not a young crowd. detox is in her 30s i think we're all i think the age range skews like 30-ish that's a great age for drag race right and also it means at this time means we're not cannibalizing drag lingo we're not only right we're not yes god i mean that is only starting to happen right alaska's parroting a laganja but that's still very fresh at this point that's which is going let's get all started it was actually hysterical because it wasn't so played out yet and so many things that become

1:15:14Trixie Mattel:Drag Race Cannon happen, Rigger Morris. Rigger Morris. So many things get invented. Stunning, all that stuff. The talent show. This style of elimination, like this, I remember watching this on TV and being like, this is the best.

1:15:24Katya Zamolodchikova:And then the crystallizing of the drag lingo hadn't really been set in stone yet. And it hadn't been overplayed or played out. Right.

1:15:31Trixie Mattel:Yeah. I'm excited to watch the whole season.

1:15:33Katya Zamolodchikova:Stay tuned. Stay tuned.

1:15:35Trixie Mattel:Right before we wrap, we have a surprise from you.

1:15:38Katya Zamolodchikova:Oh my God, we got a surprise? It's from your friends at Outshine Pop Shuffles. Oh, get out of here. Shut the fuck up. Shout out to V &A for giving us these. Yeah, there's actually a box. Oh, wow. In the freezer, there's multiple boxes. Oh, my soup. Can I trade you a strawberry? There's multiple flavors in the freezer if you want. Yeah, yeah. I got you. Immediately ungrateful. Yep, immediately. Thank you, Outshine. That's Outshine. O-U-T-S-H-I-N-E. Manufacturer's coupons. You can stack them with the store circulars. Oh, the circulars! Oh,

1:16:13Trixie Mattel:this is fierce girl. Things outshine. Let's turn it out to V &A. It's hard to outshine. This kind of gift.

1:16:17Katya Zamolodchikova:I put my car on Coinga Pass trying to open a popsicle while I'm driving. I put it in my, I hold it between my legs and forget about it. Oh, tangerine is my favorite. You know what, outshine?

1:16:30Trixie Mattel:Pride month, you really slipped in here, huh? Yeah, you really slipped in with no condom. Right before July 1st, they showed up with this. Yeah. Smart move. Smart move. These are fierce. Can we refrigerate them though so we can eat them? Yeah, please. All right. Cunty. That's fierce, girl. Very cunty.

1:16:44Katya Zamolodchikova:Thank you, Outshine. There you go.

1:17:14Thank you.