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23:45Yeah, probably. Patience, I should say. Excuse me. That's sad. What if you guys could have made really good friends and now you can't? We wouldn't have. Right. Well, what if he was just like, I'll come to this hot sauce event if you take this passy and you suck on it like a widow, widow, widow wine. Yeah, if he said it like that, then I'd probably just fire him. But yeah, that's not how it would go. I mean, you don't think that this is just, like, contributing to, like, the negative view that people have of millennials being unable to deal with just, like, the smallest of stressors in the world?

24:15I think that every generation is going to look down on the next one no matter what. Yeah, but that happens because it's like, our music was better. This is when you could go out and you could buy a burger and Coke for$3. Not because you're fucking sitting in the club and you're sucking on a passy. No one's saying suck the pass in the club. Why not? If you're giving them free reign to suck away, they'll suck about. Maybe. Don't people suck them at raves? The pacifiers? I heard that. That's like a weird... I think they're sucking a couple things at raves, if we're being honest. I think I heard that, like, it's like when you trip, it's like a feeling of like, oh, fuck.

24:56He, like, calms you down. Centers you. Have you ever... No, wait, hold on. Yeah, wait a sec. Wait, what are you doing? You seem like you might know something about this. No, it was inquisitive. I remember when we were... Have you ever done ecstasy? No, I want to. You want to, dude? You're fucking almost 30. And that seems like a pretty easy thing to do if you really wanted to. I wanted to. Oh, okay. Well, there it is. I'll change it. I heard that, like... Do you remember when we were young? It was like the generation... I think it was our sister generation. Some people had pacifiers as accessories back then.

25:33No. I do remember our generation having a Ew dude why are we talking like this I do remember You remember the The child's backpack phase On the front Or that too yeah Yes that I remember Everyone had like a child's backpack at one point I was like what the fuck is this And it was like when footy pajamas came back in too That was a little after that but like I don't really hate it that much I don't hate the footy pajamas but like there's a thing with like And you know me I love maintaining a connection between my childhood and my adulthood. Yeah. I think the whole like, like pacifiers are meant for babies.

26:15They're not meant. But what are they meant for? Like let's, let's, let's, let's. Soothing a toddler or an infant. Okay. Don't you think though that because that is a universal way to soothe a child, that there is something in the human DNA that is soothed by the sucking of a past. Sure. I don't think that at the adult age, however you choose to define that, you should revert to that to cope with whatever stressors you have in your life. How should you do it? I mean, there's a plethora of ways from therapy to whatever. I don't... it just goes there yeah alcohol sure well i would say that i don't know

27:08you got me you got me i don't know if the response is pacifier sucking on a pacifier well and also you're supposed to stop doing it because it could fuck up your teeth well i think that you're i think once you're the point of what yeah once you're like a fully Reformed mouth. Yeah. It's not going to do anything. Right. You know, when do you stop pacifier? This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen. Snacks. A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account, and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security, and pass keys, you're protected at every step.

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28:00Who are you asking? Frankie? For children. Oh, okay. They say by like... I know like Ruby was really difficult to get rid of hers. And we did all the tricks. We cut it. We tried to plant it. All that stuff. I've told that story. Oh, yeah. Planting it. Yeah, I've told that story. I was a fucking mess. Yeah, I can't imagine. But... I think they say around like two, two and a half. three you know i think my brother had it till he was like nine that's old yeah what that's old does your brother just have a vertical mouth he's all right that's old no yeah we all knew it was a little old not nine nine nine's exaggerating i'm letting you know now if i'm a nine year old and i know my buddy has a pacifier yeah bring back bullying yeah i think he brought it to school once and we were like you know we kind of have to excuse me like in his backpack we didn't Is this the brother I met?

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35:40Wait, but when he said that, what would you think he means? I meant keep five dollars, give him two back. I know that's what he meant. But I could see what people are confusing that for. No, no, no. This happened to the guy. Yeah, it's not what he meant. He was expecting five back because he said keep five. He got back two, so he was like, what the fuck? Oh, then he's an idiot. Yeah, that's the wrong language. That's wrong verbiage. You literally gave him the keys to the kingdom and he decided to go and stay a night. No one tells you if something costs$3 and you go keep five, no one is expecting you to be like, keep whatever I'm about to say is the tip.

36:19You know what I mean? Yes. If you only want them to charge a certain amount, you say, just give me back X amount. Give me five. I've said that before. If something is five bucks and I hand them a 10, I'll be like, just give me back two or something. You know what I mean? Yeah. Or just keep the change. like if you're saying keep you're being very specific with your verbiage let me ask you a question because this happened to me a ton when i was working uh like delivering pizzas let's say a pizza is 17 dollars okay i deliver a pizza to you you obviously have a 20 bill yeah what are you tipping me i mean i that's a hard question to answer how is this a hard question i guess i would just say keep the change wow that was so hard to come but like if i had more cash on me i would say like oh here's an extra couple bucks so you're you're the the reason why it's difficult for you is not because you're deciding between one and three dollars tip you're deciding between three or more yes what would you do if i only had the 20th yeah keep the change yeah okay i don't want a dollar which dollar amount which are you not saying keep the change what if it was 16 dollars i think i i think i think if it's 15 i'm fine with them taking it 14 that's it's it's a but I also don't want to have a dollar back.

37:54Exactly. Yeah, this is why I'm asking. That's what's tough. When I would deliver pizzas, I would deliver and someone would give me a 20 and they'd say, just give me a dollar back. And I'm like, dude, give me the dollar. Like, I wouldn't say that obviously, but I'd be like, okay, and I'd give them the dollar back. But I'd be like, bro, it's a dollar. That's back when a dollar went a lot farther than it does today, Joey. I mean. And that's as a result of inflation. And we tricked you guys. We had an episode about being finance gross. It's back. Now we're talking the value of the dollar. All right.

38:24I'm Frank Alvarez. No. I, yeah. I mean, I think so many people were like, give me the dollar back. And I'm like, what the fuck? You know, because clearly I'm delivering pizzas here, bro. Like I'm not like fucking making billions of dollars or anything. I will say this. And I am in full support. Like I consider myself and always have been a pretty generous tipper because like I see that these people are working. This is their fucking livelihood. good but like i lost my train of thought good i and i can say i can i have always been a good tipper because i've worked in an industry that where my my paycheck would be like 65 literally and then i would have to make money off of tips and you it just like depends on some people like are very generous like there was one guy a pizza i remember was like 15.20 he would give us like 23 bucks so we're all fighting to go there because he's going like what you said like you're giving a little extra on top of like what the change is but there were some people that were just like where it's it's 15 20 and then it's like oh keep three bucks give me like a dollar back and it's like all right here fuck here's the thing that i was going to try to say before because i forgot we grew up in a time where tipping a delivery person was like max five dollars like i remember i remember delivery people and it would just be like oh keep you know here's three bucks you know like like that three to five was like the normal that's what i remember now i'm in full support of people earning their livelihood i am absolutely i mean it's also a weird statement saying they need to earn a livelihood but you know what i mean this like these like food delivery apps that'll be like oh 10 15 of your order is the tip like yo don't make me have to be the bad guy here now you're making me have to be an asshole and take money out of these people's pockets i do it because I don't want to be that guy.

40:13I'm going to pay it forward when I have the opportunity. But since when has delivering a pizza gone from being max$5 tip to$15 now? I mean, yeah, I don't know. I had the opposite. You guys said when I was delivering pizzas, there was one guy who no matter what the order was would only give a dollar. So we were all fighting to not take his order. But like even at that time, that was normal. Like I'm not saying it was kind, but like I feel like that's what I remember people would tip a delivery person between$1 and$5. When I was younger and like my parents would give me money and we would order pizza, I would always like three was like the max.

40:56Because I didn't even know that it was like a percentage based thing, which maybe it wasn't back then. I don't think it was. It was just kind of like$3 is like a standard delivery. Yeah, maybe it wasn't. That's what you should expect. It was also like$15 for a large pie of pizza, where now it's like$30. Yeah, if you're getting like a specialty pie, it's fucking bananas. There was this one woman that like, at this pizzeria, you can't order slices. You can only order pies. But there was this one old woman that they would let her order slices. So I delivered two slices to her one time. I forget how much it was.

41:28But I gave her the pizza, and then she gave me the money. and she was like it was like this whole thing like i think it was like six seven dollars or something but she gave me a ten dollar bill so she's like oh just pay me like exact change and i was like okay cool so i gave her three dollars like let's say it was seven she gave me ten so i gave her the three dollars back and then she she goes in her pocket and she takes out a quarter and puts it in my hand i was the cutest thing in the world yeah i left there too and i was like but it was it was super cute to be like this fucking old woman is like yeah i remember my grandmother when we would order food like she would open a coin like bag and she like the one that had like the clasp that like it's like the two balls that like sit like this you know what i love those things i go like this i know i just do it like that the whole time but like she would literally open it and she would pick quarters out and she'd be like give this to them for a tip i just i don't that guy is an idiot because that guy clearly like he fumbled and he's probably pissed about it because he's like how dare they wanted to you know fuck you give the person they probably need it a lot I hate I hate that but I also hate the idea of just like I'm ordering sushi takeout and it's 80 bucks and I'm tipping 20 bucks yeah am I like am I am I am I wrong for that I do it because I mean like paying it forward I don't like I don't know I honestly don't know like that's just never been my experience because like like I said when I was delivering I would the most i was ever paid for a delivery was like 25 bucks and that was because i had to go into their house and i had these catering dishes and i had to set those up and light this thing on fire blah blah and she gave me 25 bucks which i was hype about um because you never get 25 when you're driving around the neighborhood delivering shit it's usually like you know three bucks here five bucks here three bucks here like but to get 25 is like wow but then if you're if someone's spending $80, which is a lot.

43:29And then you have to tip, you know, 20 % on top of that. It's a lot. It gets up there, dude. I'm more impressed at the fact that you delivered pizza prior to, like, online GPS, like GPS on your phone. Did I ever tell you about my first day when I worked there? By the way, RIP. RIP. No. Yeah. No! They're done. Oh, that's fucking heartbreaking. Oh, I didn't tell you that. The pizzeria that I worked at is there they were like a staple in the neighborhood and they're shutting down why my sister i don't know my sister just went with her kids as like a last like for being there oh when are they shutting down i think they may be like this week i think crazy right fucking breaks my heart yeah that is so sad yeah it's fucked up but my first day of work at this place it was a friday night and i I have my dad's giant red van and I went to go pull into a parking space.

44:24And mind you, I had been driving for like less than a year. I pull into a parking space. I hit the car next to me and the woman's in the car. So she gets out of the car and she's freaking out. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. This is my first day of work. And she looks at the car. There's nothing wrong with either of our cars. So she's just kind of like, whatever, like you're fine. Like just back up so I could get out. I was like, oh, thank God. I get into work. This has never happened my entire time working there. I get in there the guy goes you have eight orders and I'm like what so I called my dad and I was like I need you to drive so I was in the back of his van my dad and my dad's driving I'm fucking slamming against the wall yeah yeah yeah and I'm yelling out addresses and I'm like where's this 23rd terrace the fuck is that and I'm like organizing them and then I'm running them out and blah blah blah like halfway through the shift though he like left and I was able to figure it out but I had no GPS you just had to know yeah to read I mean we also grew up in a pretty like easy to understand neighborhood in terms of just like all right it's it's a 40th and 20th Avenue you know like okay you could fit that that's that's a that's one block you can kind of piece it together from there you can read addresses right yeah for the most part I mean like now growing like not growing up but like living in like a more like yeah that's outside of the city area where it'll just be like you know one two eight six uh maple drive maple drive and i'm just like come on what the fuck are we doing they're like oh it's right off of fucking main street which is next to and i'm like give me give me the grid i'm good with the grid in new know 22 is the avenue and it's the 46th house not the 46th house but like the house that says 46 on on that street or avenue yeah and most of the houses went by twos so it would be like it was like odds on one side evens on yes yes yes and then also if it was on the avenue it would be like it would be the avenue instead of the street yeah it would so it would say like 4204 you know because then you're like, oh, okay, it's moving toward 43rd.

46:33Yeah. Way fucking easier. I will say we have avenues and streets, and that first batch, the first one I looked at said 23rd Terrace, and I was like, I don't know where that is. Yeah, I've never heard of 23rd Terrace. It's by Astoria Park. It's like one of those, like, sides. Yo, that whole area is such a fucking clusterfuck. Yeah. There's, like, half streets. I remember when I used to drive to you when you lived in Long Island City. It was just like, I'm driving down 21st Street, and it's, like, 23rd Avenue. 23rd Road. Yeah. 23rd Drive. 23rd Terrace. 23rd Circle. And I'm like, what the fuck is this?

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49:42It's probably a problem, honestly. Like too much. I would say like the baseline is too much. I thought you were going to give a number and you said too much. I feel like this is an unfair question for me. It's like it's the job and I run a lot of social media accounts. That's true. Yeah. It's a lot. But like, okay, so what amount are you just like? Leisure. Yeah. And I guess leisure is also like when you have to post stuff, that's not a lot of time that you have to spend. You're right. Like you're spending time on it. You're right. But then once you get on there and you already post, it's like, well, I'm already on here.

50:15and start scrolling. Probably a few hours, for sure. Yeah, but that's so vague. I feel like... Three to four, because at night, I'm scrolling. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, in the morning... So in the morning, when I wake up, I'll like... When I wake up, I put on my makeup. Oh, I didn't know that's where you were going there. I'm sorry. I'm still there for you. I want to look up my screen time. Go ahead. In the morning, when I when I rise um what is that Jesus what are you saying uh I sit there and like I'll have like my morning like you know kind of like drink routine or whatever and I'll sit there and I'll scroll for a little bit and then I'll you know get some stuff done TikTok a little bit of this a little bit of that mostly TikTok I would say honestly okay um but I also sit there and I'm like what what can I post you know what I mean because I try to get like ideas to post myself and then uh and then at night you're just there well like at night so like when it's when all the kids are asleep I put my phone down and I just like I hang with Becca and we'll watch something but like when the kids are awake and they're just like leisurely watching something before bed I'm fucking going on that thing but yeah I would say whatever the answer is I don't like it because I I feel like it that's just one of those things where like I feel like if you were to ask the most people they would say that they spend too much time on social media oh yeah what about you um wait do you have your screen time yeah it's a lot on tick on tick tock i was right it's like three hours three hours a day okay my total screen time daily average is nine hours that's a lot but i do like in the shower i'm youtubing and i'm watching videos all the time you're in the shower yeah like i like i like listening to videos i used to do that but i've stopped and I haven't done it in three years alright it's not meth I mean I made it oh fuck you both I made it I made it like a resolution something I wanted to do and I stuck with it to stop watching to YouTube just to like stop using my phone in places I didn't need to like you know like I would throw a video on and I'd get in the shower and you'd watch it while you're showering no I wouldn't watch it I would just listen interesting like in the car on long drives I don't listen to music I'll put on like an informational podcast or something yeah yeah yeah yeah I'll listen to like my like movie talk stuff i have such like the misophonia thing is so real like dude after doing that opl episode and listening to what misophonia is i was like oh my god i fucking have that like can you explain it one more time it's you're i mean i don't know exactly like you know whatever but you're very sensitive to like sounds so like i can't do two things at once if i can barely like if i'm driving and the radio's on and someone's trying to talk to me i can't do that like that's too many things at once and i can't like i can't read unless it's absolutely silent and like if i'm watching tv and someone's playing something on their phone that's like making noise i can't i like it literally gives me like a visceral reaction i'm like turn your fucking phone on interesting it's just i guess i do that i guess i have that for like reading for like the three times a year i read but like if someone's like if like i'm watching a show and back to scrolling on her phone that doesn't that means when you can hear it yeah no i can't i can't that means nothing i would be like do you mind like lowering that like to basically and also in return i don't like even doing that because if i if i'm on my phone and i'm watching stuff but the tv's on i'll lower the fuck out of mine because like i don't even want to mix them so it's like that do you do the thing where you lower the music to park like that kind of thing absolutely yeah i do i do that if i'm like coming up on a place i've never been before i lower it I don't know why don't ask me it doesn't make sense just like focus maybe yeah it's just like a comfort thing possibly yeah I don't know um but I can't like I wouldn't be able to like shower and there's like a video I'd be like I'm clearly not watching that like my screen time is also fucked too because like on the days that I come in I just to get an idea of like what time I'm going to be here and how like what is the best route to take home because there's several routes and if you take the wrong one on the way out of New York you could be fucking finger blasted by donkey sauce traffic not very gangster yeah but most of my screen time during the week is like on the days i come in it's heavy because it's basically four four and a half hours of google maps the whole time yeah you know so but yeah i i think i i saw something recently that the like average screen time for people now is like doubled than it was like 10 years ago or something like that i mean that makes sense we had almost all the same apps if and the only thing that would be different is instead of tiktok it was vine my daily average I guess we're going to look this up.

55:19Yeah, my daily average is five hours, ten minutes. My most used is TikTok. That makes sense. And then my next most used, these two by a large margin, are TikTok and my text messages. That's me as well. I got TikTok, text messages, and then Instagram by a mile. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All three of those by a mile. I'm trying to find screen time. I have a lot of Apple TV. That's fucking surprising. If you go to settings, it's right there. Google.com. I'm literally looking at settings. I wonder what everyone's, like anyone who's watching this, I wonder what your screen time is. You can write in the comments.

55:59My daily average is six hours, 49 minutes. But again, if you look, you'll see the days that I'm in the car are significantly higher. And my most, yeah, my most by a while is TikTok. Oh, and then YouTube. Because I'll throw on like... Bro, YouTube have 46 minutes. A day? I guess I'm never on YouTube. I have like an hour a day. But again, that's because on my days in, I'll throw something on and listen to it. Yeah. You know? Did you ever do a phone detox? What's that? Yeah, Mad Times. You just seemed like someone who would do it. Do you want to hear how bad it was for me? I'll explain. Don't worry.

56:38I still got it. It seems like something I would do, right? Absolutely. Oh, yes. You don't even know the fucking half of it, eh? Yeah, he was so pumped. So here's what I did years ago. I bought a flip phone. I bought a flip phone and I got a new, it was$12 a month, a new plan, like a new phone number. By the way, this lasted one month or two months maybe. Is the number still in use? No. Oh, I still have it. But I bought that because I was, this was also, I'm not going to give the whole backstory of why this was happening during that time. but like whatever. I, I was mentally in a weird place with my job and whatever.

57:21And I just felt like I was spending too much time on social media and I didn't like it. So I was like, I need to get rid of this. So I bought a flip phone so that anytime I was like leaving the house, I would just take that. So if I was like going out with friends or I go to dinner or whatever, I would just take the flip phone. Cause it's like, don't, I don't need to be texted right now just call me on this if it's an emergency that's the only reason why like that was the only reason why i was like convincing myself that i need my phone on me all the time was because what if there's an emergency it was like well i fixed that problem so i did that two months it was over it was it was interesting i think the the the attempt is admirable the intention was there but it was i don't think there's anything wrong with it i i really try like when i'm not working or when I'm not here I and like I'm with the kids or like we're having like family time or something I put my phone down in like the other room and I leave it there on loud because like same idea if someone needs to get in touch with me they'll call me I hate when people are just like texting and it's like it's urgent like you need me call me but I I think I probably need a phone detox because like I don't know I just feel like it's just like TikTok is just like it's just so easy it's just so easy and mindless and like it to a point where like i was having this conversation like conversation i was thinking to myself the other day like oh like if i feel stressed i open it and i scroll to not yeah feel stressed and that's not good you know what i mean like the the feeling stressed should be like all right figure it out deal with it not like let me just have this dopamine response to something and I'm not like sitting there like oh my god I love that it's literally just staring yeah and it's just so fucking mindless and I know I'm a child of this era and like I'm part of the problem but like there's little things I forgot who mentioned this but it stuck with me and I try like when I get into the modes where I'm very aware of like phone usage there are moments where i'm like okay this is where i'm going to earn some of my life back essentially like anytime you're standing in a line or if i'm waiting for the elevator or i get in the elevator uh in my building or you're at a red light or you're just waiting for something everyone just pulls out their phone like even if it's like you know this is gonna be 30 seconds people just pull out their phone yeah and like i've done that a billion times but when I'm aware of it I will just I'll have to be like don't do it like I'll have to actively not grab my phone because it's like muscle memory it is it is muscle memory and like like you won't even like there have been times where I've gone to do it and I'd be like what the fuck I have no reason to open these apps I'm not checking on something in specific you know in particular or anything like that I'm just doing it because my brain is telling me like you have a moment do it yeah yeah so like do something I yeah exactly so I have been in the same regard I have been like one of those people that's just like, I don't need this right now.

1:00:13Like, I know. And I know I sound like a fucking addict, but like we're all, we're all kind of addicted and like, we're going to have to figure out eventually how to break the cycle and fucking because it's, it's a lot. There's definitely bro. 30 years time when our kids are like in their thirties or forties or something, the like Like, amount of research and data that comes out about smartphone usage is going to fucking scare the shit out of us. Dude. Because these things are also 15 years old. Yeah. Well, yeah. I feel like I'm always on, like, my brain. So I like it just because I could, like, stop.

1:00:55Just scroll. But see. Like, I love it. I get the problem. Yeah, but that may be a byproduct of you just, like, being an addict. Maybe. Yeah. I'm scrolling. and this we might be getting too deep here so forgive me if we are but like another reason i hate it is because i have been like dealing with like the feelings and effects of like as our show is getting bigger more and more people recognize us and stuff like that and like it's getting more uncomfortable for me personally and i'm sharing this just to be completely transparent sometimes when i open my phone i feel like i need to be even though i'm not around anyone and I'm not doing anything, I need to be a character.

1:01:36It's so strange to think about because I've said to myself, that doesn't make sense, but it feels like I need to be on. I open it and I need to be in cameras are on mode. Even if I know that they're not, it's just a weird response my brain had and I know I need to put it down. I think that maybe with time, that will go away. Because I feel like there was a time for me like when I first started doing internet stuff right I felt similarly but then after a while you kind of get this like this attitude because that's very interesting to hear you say that honestly because now it's like I'm remembering a feeling like that a feeling like before it was my job it felt like I have to treat this like a job and I have to do something or and it's I'm not even doing anything like I'm just like I don't know it's like a a sin in like an energy thing sort of i'm not like like it's not like i'm scrolling my phone like like i'm doing something like that yeah yeah but it's this thing that you're like oh this there's a purpose to me scrolling right now or something like that after a while though you know through my little experiments of phones and you know being anti-social media forever um i feel like i've kind of gotten to a place now where i'm kind of like i don't give a shit like i just like can't you can't control any of that and it's all psychotic so i'm just like i think maintaining look it's the way of the world right now I think finding and maintaining a healthy balance is the best because like it's it's in my opinion sure it might be admirable if you can like completely remove yourself from social media and stuff but you're also missing out on a major component of modern society yeah which you know if you want to be one of those people go for it but like I don't think the answer is just like have nothing get off it get rid of smartphone go live in the Yeah, I don't think that does anything.

1:03:20Like, I think the, unless it's like with certain instances with like other things, but I'm specifically talking about smartphones and technology use here. Like, I think that's where it's about finding a healthy balance, healthy usage. You know, like you're never going to hear someone say like, oh, you're an alcoholic. You should learn how to drink in moderation. Like, you should probably not drink at all. Yeah, yeah. I mean, also, one thing that really got me was like, think about why you're doing any of it. And like that to me is like the easiest way to find the balance is like think about why you're doing anything on social media.

1:03:56Like there was a time where I would go places and it's like I would post stories about where I was or I would try to make I would try to take like an artistic photo of this and like post that and whatever. But then like if you really sit with the idea of like why am I doing that? Like it's very cheap to be like I'm entertaining people and it's like bro you took a picture of a can. Like be real yourself. yeah like that's a lazy answer to be like oh that's why i'm doing it is because it's my job or whatever about like that's bullshit though like how many of your actions are you doing and then you're like eventually someone asks you that and then you go i don't know why like i don't know why i'm doing yeah like and there was so many instances where i felt like i don't even know why i'm doing that and then i was like i'm not doing any of that shit anymore like i don't i don't want to i like there being a very like separated thing i like doing this show especially because we get to just like talk and be ourselves and it's not like you know fucking you know we don't have to like put on some huge act or anything like that but i like their feeling like i have my real life and i have this thing and you know people enjoy this thing and i love that and it's my job and i love doing it but i like this too like i like that they're separate shit yeah we we occupy a weird space too because like we are also finding that like in today's society something can go mega viral and you could become very successful yeah seemingly overnight i mean look at fucking hayley welch you know like i don't know what welch hawk tour hawk tour got it mrs tour yeah like literally went from being you know working a spring factory spring factory job to the next day and for several weeks thereafter the biggest like star on the internet yeah you know so like the current mentality is just like oh i can use this leisurely and just like maybe you know just continue to work my regular job or i can do it with the intent of like maybe something will happen one day you know which is like such a strange space to occupy like no you've never heard of people in like previous generations like basically working a job and a half like and like one of them is like passive to like the hopes that it blows up yeah you know dude it's also like kind of freaky you're in it's so scary dude like you remember you know when like uh very famous people will have complaints and then people will be like well you signed up for it like blah blah blah it's like every time you post on social media now because of like how quickly people can go viral people can say that about you like anytime you post anything it's like well you signed up for it the second you posted that you're not like a celebrity who's been in a bunch of movies and now it's like i can't even leave my house without people complaining about or taking pictures of me or doing whatever the fuck blah blah it's like you could just post something and then the next day you're the biggest thing in the world and then everyone's gonna find a reason to hate you yeah because it's not such a fucking because it's not because because you did what those other people Like I said, like those other people hoped happened to them.

1:07:01So they fucking hate you for it because the way you went about it was stupid. I mean, like, it's crazy. Let's use fucking Mrs. Welch, not Mrs. Miss Welch as an example. Like I'm sure people hate her not because of anything other than the fact that she got famous for talking about. Well, originally the rug pull really did it. But yeah, I know. I think that's a better example because like she was a street interview on someone else's thing. Yeah. So like what happened to her is like, okay, I get like, yeah, she didn't really ask for that. But the people who post and then go mega viral and then complain, it's like, well, you did kind of sign up for that.

1:07:36See, I don't know if I necessarily agree with that because the intent is not always behind going viral. Also, she didn't post that herself. Well, that's what he said. I think that's a good example is her like in this whole thing because she didn't ask for that. And it happened to her. That's a good example. But people who do post, it's like, well, then why did you? I think that everyone should be under the assumption that if you're getting in front of any sort of camera, you are one second away from having to live with whatever you're saying on camera. But that's what I'm doing. But that wasn't the case forever.

1:08:08Like, even when I first started doing YouTube, no one, like, had one video and then you're somebody. Like, you had to have some sort of consistency and then you were, like, with groups of people and, you know, working with this person, that person, and you kind of established yourself. But now it's like, it doesn't even matter. Like, it goes like this. like one person go crazy viral the coolest thing in the world and then no one cares like a month later but for that one month everybody's looking at you and everyone's expecting like you to have opinion like an opinion on everything and also like it be correct and like they can judge you and say whatever like you have to be under the assumption that everything you say will be like like a cop held against yeah i mean but also like when you started doing it the only place that that stuff lived was basically just on youtube yeah now even instagram it wasn't that makes me feel so old yeah you are you are you are like it was before like so now if you post like this it's on youtube and then it's on tiktok some of it by by us like are doing but like you see that there are people that make their clips and like then it's everywhere and then people that like like it's just it spreads like wildfire and yes correct then everyone is just like well you put it out there you're inviting the criticism you're inviting you know it's it's it's strange so like it also starts to get dicey when like you use its benefits and then complain about its negativities as well like in the same like that's the only thing that i struggle with is because i i really used to have the mentality and we might have even like an earlier episode of this show that you and i did like talked about like well if you're famous and people come up to you you signed up for it but like I've kind of done a 180 on it because two things could be true at the same time.

1:09:48Like you can have fame and notoriety and an amount of celebrity, whether small or large, but like with that should come a reasonable expectation of privacy, you know, and respect just because you're a, you're a person on a thing or in a thing doesn't mean like, oh, then, then all fucking rights have gone for that person entirely. Bro, that happened to me. And I'm going to speak about this very candidly. I doubt this person is watching this, but like I went out with Becca and the kids maybe like two weeks ago and I was standing in line for something and a guy came up with his sister, partner, whatever.

1:10:29I don't know. He's like, listen, I'm a huge fan. I don't want to bother you. Came to your Radio City show last year. It was so much fun. Congrats on everything. Do you mind if we take a picture? Yes. Okay. Yeah, of course. No problem. Yeah. thank you so much. I appreciate it. We took a picture. There was a girl standing behind me and she goes, can I ask you a question? I go, yeah. She goes, does that make you uncomfortable? And I was like, sometimes, you know, sometimes when they're not being respectful or something. And she's like, yeah, I could see that, you know? And I was like, yeah, you know, it's just like, it could, it's a strange world to live in.

1:11:01Five minutes later, not even, she goes, can I take a picture with you like and I have no problem doing it because like she was kind and and I have you know like it's a moment like for this person okay but you asked and you got the information that was like oh so in your mind it's like you know this makes you know it's making me a little uncomfortable but like that that doesn't matter to you in that moment and it's just it's a it's a weird space to occupy and and I think that that you could make an argument and again like i said in 30 to 40 years when all these documentaries and long-term studies are coming out about the effects of social media that's when we're gonna be like holy shit this is crazy yeah what i'm curious what what what about like people recognizing you makes you uncomfortable it's not people recognizing me that makes me uncomfortable i consider myself very lucky i really do and i'm saying like specifically where you're like yeah sometimes it makes me uncomfortable well in that situation i was with becca and the kids yeah which that makes me a little uncomfortable because like I'm here with my family I'm chasing kids around like you see so like you're gonna ask me for a picture I have to keep my eyes on this child and I and I always ask anytime I've been with the kids and someone's asked for a picture I say as long as the kids are not in the picture you know because that's not them you know like I don't want them to be involved in that so like that and then sometimes too like and I'm sure you get this sometimes I just want to go and grab something and i'm not fucking taylor swift or some massive celebrity that it's like crazy but like i'm sometimes in the mood where i just don't want to be bothered i want to go and buy something at target and then just go home with complete anonymity yeah you know and that's changed completely transparent you know being completely transparent so like i i just think that like that moment in particular was like that person had information i gave them what they asked for I yeah it is yes it makes me a little uncomfortable okay didn't matter to them okay no I was at but like is the uncomfortableness that you're feeling like like what do you think is the root of that it's just like I don't want to interact with a stranger right now sometimes sometimes it's also like I think we are we're very transparent with who we are with the people that listen and i think that when they see me they like sometimes they want the frank in front of the camera you know or the joe in front of the camera so it'll be like yo douchebag what's up brother fucking hot dogs yeah and you know i play into it a little bit but like you're not always ready for that at least i'm not personally you know yeah i mean luckily i haven't really experienced that too often where people are kind of like whatever and like i don't mind seeing people in public.

1:13:48The only thing, I mean, it's uncomfortable because I just don't, I don't get it. Like, I just can't really understand. I don't, I don't view, like, my, my life doesn't feel that important. Like, I don't understand people having a reaction to seeing me to the point where they want to take a picture with me. I don't, I don't get that. Like, it does, because I don't feel like that. Like, I, and it's weird. Sometimes I see celebrities acting like celebrities And I'm like, are they like lying to themselves or are they just like living very differently than me? You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I feel like you have to cross this line eventually where you just submit of like, yes, it is me here.

1:14:30And like I'm going to wear a disguise because I'm so popular. And I I just can't get myself to that point because it's like I just don't get it. Like I don't get, in the case of me, like maybe for other people, it's like, like legendary people where it's like, you've been entertaining people for 50 years and, you know, people never see you. So like now it's like cool or whatever the fuck. But like, I don't know, for me, it's like, I don't, I just don't understand it. Like that's the only part that gets me uncomfortable. I'm not uncomfortable with people approaching me or, or like, you know, wanting to take pictures or anything.

1:15:02it just the part that makes me uncomfortable is when i that does happen and then other people around are looking like who the fuck is that and now people are just staring at you and i'm kind of like oh god like because people will make their judgments like who the fuck does that kid think he is and it's like oh i'm not even i don't even want to you know yeah do this because i feel like i don't want to explain myself because there's been times people like who are you and i'm like oh I don't even answer that I hate that question like that's that's an awkward one but I honestly in the last five years have not had anything that really stands out to me where I felt like this was a horrible interaction and I and I hated that and it made me extremely uncomfortable or whatever for the most part you know especially in New York if I go out people will recognize me but it's usually like very quick you know sometimes there's a picture sometimes there's not and it's super fine and everyone just keeps pushing.

1:15:59I'm not even saying that these interactions are negative. Like, 99 % of the people are kind and very, very, very, very sweet and, you know, are not being disrespectful at all. You know, and it's not like I am very appreciative of it because I am well aware that, like, it might not be like this forever. I'm very okay with that because, like, it's those people that are putting us in these positions that we could do this, that we could do fucking Madison Square Garden. But like there is a level to it that just is uncomfortable for me because it's like this this interaction is is it's in a bubble.

1:16:36It's not a real human interaction like it. And I just like you're saying, like, who am I supposed to be in this situation? Yeah. You know, like I feel like myself and to that person. It's just it's it's I'm still wading through trying to figure it out. Better way of sort of explaining it. It's like, I feel like me, but the person you feel like I am, I don't feel like that. So do I have to pretend to be like that? Yes. Yes. So sometimes I'm like, oh shit. And they're not doing anything like overtly most of the time to make me feel that way. But it's just like, they know me as this. So like, if they're seeing me and they see me as that, like, do I have to be that right now?

1:17:19Like you want to be, but also you kind of feel like bad because you're like, I don't know if I can do that. Yeah. And again, they're not doing anything. It's, it's me. It's really just me waiting through, it's waiting through trying to figure this all out and it's difficult. And if you're, if you're watching this and you're a little confused, like just imagine that like all of a sudden you would go out and people, you know, uh, are, are, are like, know you like strangers, like know your name. And then some people want to take pictures with you. And some people like reference things in your life that you didn't even know people knew.

1:17:50Like if that happened enough, like eventually you become a little desensitized to it, but if it happened enough, you'd be like, okay, this is sort of weird. It sort of changes how I behave a little bit. Cause like, even for me, if I go out somewhere and this has been happening to me for a while, flex, uh, but this has been happening to me for a while, but if I'm out at a place and I know that people have come up to me and even they're super nice and you know, whatever, I think some, like not now, but like for a period of time that would reflect in my behavior. Cause I would feel like, Oh, I don't feel like I can be totally myself now because someone's looking at me and and I don't even think they're doing this but I think me having being insecure of feeling like oh I have to like be somebody now because people here are expecting that's exactly what I just said yeah like it's like oh no now I have to like I don't know it's like a weird feeling no it's not real I'm doing it to myself yes and and that's exactly what I just said and 90 99 percent of the time all of the interactions have been kind and they've had such nice things to say about us and our show and and but it's just like it's just a weird thing and then like you said the people like that someone will come up and take a picture and then literally i had a guy at a pizzeria go who the fuck are you yeah what am i what am i supposed to say to that you know what i mean like and i know it's it's a new york new jersey thing where they're not impressed by anything you know what i mean it's like who the fuck are you i don't give a fuck you know you play for the Yankees.

1:19:17I only like that. Like it's, it's a very weird space to live in. And, uh, yeah, you don't play for the Yankees. We know that, right?

1:19:31Fucking crazy. Absolutely. Fucking crazy. We're talking, we're having a nice conversation and that's what you chime in with. He's like, yeah, but let's, let's just get this out of the way. You don't play this for the fuck. I have gotten, yo, I got to admit, I thought I was meeting the catcher for the Mets today I swear to god like his name is Francisco Alva yeah recently someone said to me like oh I I there was a small part of me I was excited I might have been going to the you know meet the catcher of the Mets that's so funny and I'm like nope you know no I know I am not the catcher for the Mets nope but uh that's all I got yeah well we didn't do fine at your at least i was a catcher never for the mets right you know but that was listen the finance bros conversation this i mean we waited till the end of the episode it wasn't the entire episode which was a couple minutes yeah it's totally fine and i'm gonna sweat my ass yeah it's hot hot hot hot but thank you guys you know what that's wrong yeah anyway uh thank you guys so much for making it through that conversation a little venting sesh a little therapy with me and frank no big deal Joe loves these episodes what?

1:20:44like where I like we have like deep conversations well I gotta trick you into therapy I know you're not going but you guys thank you so much for watching you know like Frank said earlier go to thebasemeyard.com get tickets to our shows that are coming up soon there's still some tickets left a couple of shows left and we are super excited thank you to everyone who joins the Patreon patreon.com slash thebasemeyard you can follow me at Joe Sanagato go follow the show at thebasemeyard on everything. Where can they find you? You can find me with a mouthful of tiramisu. And that is all. See you guys next time.

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