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1:06Hello and welcome to the Game Football Podcast from the Times and Sunday Times. This is our EFL Extra Show every fortnight with me, Tom Clark, and a former Football League defender, Gregor Robertson, discussing the best and worst of the Championship League One and League Two. Gregor, there's loads to discuss. We're recording this show on Monday early evening. Still a little bit of time left in that transfer window. And there's four big midweek games on Tuesday night. So even by our usual standards, I reckon we might say some things on today's show, which are completely out of date and overtaken by the time that listeners get to this podcast.

1:41But hey, we'll do our best. And there's still plenty of news and action from the past couple of weeks to get stuck into. So let's start, as ever, in the championship and the thrilling title race that is now underway. Mind the gap. There is no gap at the top of the table. Coventry, a second defeat in two weeks for them, losing to QPR following that defeat against Norwich means that Middlesbrough, who've won five games on the spin, are now joint top with 58 points. Coventry still in that top spot on goal difference. Gregor, we said it a couple of times over this New Year festive period, Coventry got two wins, two defeats now.

2:20We've got a title race on our hands. We definitely do, Tom, yeah. I mean, this is too long a run to call a blip or a wobble, I think. now it's 15 points from the last 12 games 8 winless games away from home in a row, like this is a major stumble now and all of a sudden you've got Frank Lampard trying to sort of exude positivity and talk about you know, confidence and you know, remembering all the things that put them in this position in the first place and we should remember what that position was, there were 10 points clear in November first team in the half a century to score 50 goals after 18 games it was just you know it was 7-1 against QPR in August like they were absolutely flying and really since really since December they've been much you know far less convincing and as I say Lampard now the tone has really shifted he's trying to trying desperately to kind of to remind his players what got them in this position in the first place he's saying that that run was never sustainable I think at the weekend he said if we'd continued like that we would have ended up with 112 points which clearly he said that wasn't a reality he's right but when you're stuck in a rut like this or you fall away so dramatically it's very very hard to get out of so it's going to be fascinating to see if they can and how they can A couple of January signings in also reports, as I say, when we record this show of a couple of other moves, see if they can get them over the line.

4:04Meddlesbrough, as I say, behind them, they did beat Norwich this weekend with a goal from Hayden Hackney. These also have been linked with a move away on this deadline day. They'll be desperate to keep hold of him and it seems like they will do. Greg, I wanted to talk about the team in third. Hull have been on an unbelievably good run. They had a defeat in there as well, but they won five of the last six. They're up into third ahead of Ipswich, who've lost and drawn in the past two games. This is an unbelievable performance. We did mention Hull on the last show, but I just wanted to give them another shout out here because, I mean, when you look at this playoff category as well, you've got Hull, Millwall and now Wrexham in there.

4:39Phil Parkinson proving me wrong with an excellent middle chunk of the season. Derby as well, who you correctly pointed out a few weeks or months ago that you thought they might have a chance with John Eustace at the helm. these are not teams that we expected to be in the playoff contention. Ipswich are obviously in fourth. They were everyone's favourites for the title but the rest of the teams around them are not who we would have expected to be in this promotion and playoff contention, are they? Well, no, definitely not with Hull. I mean, when you consider the fact that they're operating under a transfer restriction, transfer embargo.

5:13I'd say Millwall probably were like a team that people would pick and say would be pushing for the playoffs. but they've been entrenched in the playoffs for most of the season so even that's an over performance and absolutely with Derby yeah I mean considering what John used to inherit last season big turnover of players and wow I mean I watched the game against Bristol City on Friday night they thrashed Bristol City 5-0 and it was a brilliant performance I don't think Bristol City had a sorry they had one shot on target and like Derby were ahead in the 13th minute I think so you know there was no when you go two or three goals up as well normally you sit back our team sits back and the other team offers something but it was just it was absolutely dominant performance it was the biggest away league win since 1959 I think so they really they've got the best record in the league on the road I think tied with Hull so like Hull yeah Hull brilliant I mean four wins in a row eight from the last ten games Lewis Kumas who they signed on loan came on and made an immediate impact scored the winner in this game and I like him as a signer he's on loan from Liverpool he was spent time on loan at Stoke last season and in flashes and patches you saw a real player there his movement his athleticism the way he carries the ball I think he's a really good player he's just keeping that consistency for him in the championship was tough and he was on loan in Birmingham the first half of the season.

6:50The same was true, probably. But at Hull, where there is so much reliance on McBurnie, on Gilhart, on players who are arguably overperforming and scoring all of their goals, adding someone else in that attacking area of the pitches I think could be really important. Also signed Tom Collier on loan from Manchester United, midfielder, former Man United defender and Middlesbrough defender, Paddy McNair, I think they all look like decent pick-ups so yeah like Hull are a bit like, you could probably draw a parallel with Aston Villa in the Premier League it's like all the data suggests that this is not sustainable they're scoring at a ridiculous rate in relation to the number of chances they're actually creating or the number of shots they're having I'm like can they keep it up can they keep it up but they play a really effective kind of form of football they don't dominate the ball they are quite direct and they're really gutsy and gritty and they've got some experienced players in there too like John Egan you know Lundstrom I think they've got a good blend so it's going to be really exciting to see how they go between now and then this season too It will be remarkable if they can keep it up but absolutely fantastic performance from Hull City so far speaking of transfers as well Barry Bannon And we mentioned it on the last show about him potentially leaving Sheffield Wednesday.

8:16He did complete his move to Millwall. That'll be a big signing for them for the rest of the season. Wrexham spending some money again, bringing players in on this deadline day. Zach Viner coming in from Bristol City and they've been heavily linked with Bailey Kadamatri, a young striker from Sheffield Wednesday. He was actually on loan at Lincoln, a talented lad. Got a good pace about him. Potentially a good finisher for them signing another striker. Wrexham just keep signing strikers. They cannot stop. We'll see how the rest of the window pans out and how it makes a difference towards the end of the season and that promotion race.

8:46Let's talk about Watford. Watford, God love him, Gregor, in 10th, another managerial departure. Honestly, how many shows can we get through without Watford changing manager? Xavi Gracia resigning after a 2-0 defeat against Swansea just three months after he returned to the club for the second time in charge. I really, really loved Watford's bitchy statement when he left the club. You've got to say, we retain the belief that Javi was the right man to lead the club towards its push for promotion. But Javi felt he no longer had the motivation and was not the right man to continue coaching this exciting group of young players.

9:21That is really brilliantly salty. And I've got a lot of time for it, as much as they have made a lot of bonkers decisions themselves in the past. Swansea, by the way, very quickly, just up to 15th in consistent form for climbing the table under Vita Matos, who we mentioned late last year. but Greg at Watford what else is there to say about Watford and managerial situations the first thing you say is this is a a rarity in one regard and it was a manager who resigned rather than being sacked so you know that in itself is a little bit new they're keeping us on our toes is what you're saying yeah I mean Watford must be kind of really no wonder it was salty like what you're saying bye to us so yeah we do the breaking up around here we do the breaking up it's not you so like look Watford Wilford laid out this exciting group of young players.

10:07And in one respect, that is true. But Javi Gracia has made it very clear since the beginning of January that he wants some experienced players to go along with some of the really talented young players. And he's waited all month and it's not happened. And they've gone four, I think, five games in all competitions without a win. And obviously he's really upset about it. You give an example, this is not an experienced player, Max Alain who we spoke about a few weeks back centre half 20 year olds from Manchester City he was recalled after we said he had been playing really well in the first half of the season playing a lot of games recalled by Manchester City to play and obviously he wants a replacement wants an experienced replacement someone perhaps who's not 20 instead of saying 17 year old centre back Stephen Mifune from Manchester City as well so you can see his point and like some people might say you know you knew what you were getting yourself into you've already been at Watford like you know you know what Watford are all about but I think probably the model has become slightly more extreme since in recent transfer windows in terms of leaning in towards youth and you know the club are in a different position to when he was there led them to 11th in the Premier League obviously got to the FA Cup final in 2019 so you know, I think it also says a lot that both the manager and the captain Musa Sissoko have departed within 24 hours, so he's gone to Panathinaikos so like, he was one of the experienced players too, so I think probably a bit of unrest about the direction of travel behind the scenes at Watford there.

11:53Whoever comes in next definitely has to work with those young players you mentioned there. Looking further down the table, there's some big teams still in that mid-table area. Birmingham City, Southampton in 13th and 14th. Sheffield United in 17th. Swansea, who I've mentioned already. Leicester in 16th. They sacked Marti Fusifuentes about a week ago now. We've also got Blackburn in 22nd. They finished just outside the playoffs last season, but it's been a really bad season for Valerian Ismail. And just before we started recording this show, he paid the price losing his job as well. We've also got West Brom just above them, Gregor, in 21st place, just outside the relegation places.

12:32Eric Ramsey, of course, in charge there. He's not been there very long. Replaced Ryan Mason. Three league defeats against Middlesbrough Norwich and this weekend against Portsmouth after a one-all draw with Derby. Ismail, on the other hand, as I say, they've managed to seven wins in the league all season. Won just once in the past 15 games. I mean, I'm mentioning a lot of teams there, but we're at this stage now, aren't we, where we just got into February. there's a lot of big decisions to be made there's a lot of games still to play and owners and chairmen out there are deciding to make big decisions and changing managers Indeed, yeah, you could throw in Leicester and Martí Sifuentes as well who's paid the price for their awful form but Blackburn, yeah, I mean Ishmael's been in the job for 12 months replaced Eustace of course and they were going well kind of fell off initially and then had a little rally towards the end of the season and narrowly missed out on their playoffs missed it by two points I think but I was shocked to learn he actually won only 11 of his 43 games so winless in eight games there's three points from safety now it's like Blackburn have been in League 1 I think they only spent a year there when Tony Mowbray was in charge and I think it was 2018 they were promoted back to the Championship, they do not want to have that again, there's always been a sense in that time that they kind of managed to settle a bit under the Venkis and there was a bit of calm, a bit of equilibrium almost but that's kind of been thrown up in the air recently the finances Venkis have been in financial trouble back in India and there's been some, since Eustace left and before actually there's been some sort of shaky decisions behind the scenes in terms of recruitment and investment basically so yeah difficult and worrying times for Blackburn and yeah West Brom that's been it's not been the start that Ramsey would like as you say one point and 12 goals conceded in four games his first four games I remember watching his I think it was his first game against Middlesbrough and they played they actually played alright and you know they lost the game late on I think it was Burgsorg scored a late winner and he felt they were a bit unlucky in that game and there was possibly something to hold on to but it's just gone from bad to worse since then and they're only heading one way and that is towards the relegation so the only the question is who can rally can Blackburn get a new manager bounce Oxford have already turned to Matt Bloomfield sort of steadied the ship a little bit got two clean sheets in his first couple of games then a win against Leicester they lost against Birmingham at the weekend but they seem to have you know had a bit of an uptick it's going to be really interesting there's definitely you know obviously you've got Sheffield Wednesday cut loose at the bottom but we've got a relegation battle and we've got a battle for the top two and we've got a great battle for the playoffs so there's no there's no done deals yet in the championship All still to play for as you say just very quickly finishing with that relegation scrap you mentioned earlier in the season how worried you were about Norwich they're not pulled clear by any means they're still only four points ahead of Blackburn.

15:53Portsmouth's still in there. I want them to survive basically because they've only team not changed their manager about 10 times in the last 18 months. Charlton down there as well. Sheffield United haven't quite pulled away. Who are you looking at and being worried at? Because as you say, Sheffield Wednesday, unfortunately for them, they have got that bottom place almost certainly wrapped up. And then out of the rest of those teams to those final two places, who would you be looking at or worried by? It's a difficult one. I mean, Portsmouth have turned things around a bit and that win against West Brom was I think Moussinho admitted it was basically the best performance of the season so that's four games, two wins and two draws in the last four games I think Norwich have turned things around really well, I mean even in this game it was against Middlesbrough, he saw there's some great chances particularly towards the end I think Helberg said the last five minutes of this game were in some ways the ugliest thing I've seen on a football pitch and in some ways the most beautiful thing I think he was just basically summing up the fact that his team were throwing out the bodies on the line to protect the goal and Dale Fry made a great tackle to deny Makama he had another one where he tried to burst the net and it kind of flew over the bar so they could have taken something from this this game as well and as you say before that there'd been three wins in a row so I think Norwich will start to pull clear I'm still not entirely convinced about Charlton you know I interviewed Nathan Jones earlier this season and gave them the kiss of death and they've plummeted since.

17:25Win against Leicester at the weekend but I still, you know, they signed Lyndon Dykes up front. Still not really entirely convinced they're going to have enough goals so I think it'll be touch and go for them. It's very hard to call though, Tom. I think from Sheffield United up probably the teams are safe though. Yeah, really interesting as well. Should mention as well with West Brom, Andrew Nesta set to leave. His role as president and sporting director after a two-year spell suggests that all is not well behind the scenes. A club that really should want to be and hope to be much higher up. The championship table will keep track of the latest goings on with some really big clubs down the bottom of the championship.

18:02But let's look at League 1 and League 2 just after a quick break. We'll test Gregor Robertson's knowledge with maybe the easiest quiz question of the season so far. Which team have matched their longest unbeaten run of 14 matches in the Football League with a win in League 2 this weekend? Find out after this break.

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20:17Welcome back to the Game Football Podcast from the Times and Sunday Times. This is our EFL Extra Show with me, Tom Clark, and the football league legend, Gregor Robertson. As I said, it was a nice, easy quiz question before the break and he duly got the answer, which was... Cambridge. Cambridge, that's absolutely right. 14 matches unbeaten. We're going to talk about League Two in a bit more detail in a second. we didn't really do much League 2 last time so we want to make sure we're keeping those League 2 fans happy but just before we get there a quick look at League 1 it's still very tight at the top of the table Cardiff leading the way in first place some team I've never heard of in second being chased down by Bolton Stockport, Huddersfield and Bradford one of them will catch them at some point Gregor I'm telling you I'm just getting laying the groundworks here see I've got a different take on this Tom you've got a six point gap between second and third and you've got a six point gap just for listeners who are maybe coming to this fresh we're talking about Lincoln City yeah of course yeah six point gap and then there's a six point gap between sixth and seventh so it's that's the thing it's being as you were in the top six now for you know a week or two and you know it's it's becoming harder and harder to see who like who's going to break into this top six I mean Luton have got Luton have got a chance Stevenage have had a bit of a wobble Wickham would have to have a hell of a run so you know I think you've got a chance Tom but see you no more There's a chance of top six definitely but that ends with playoff heartbreak that's how it always goes with Lincoln City if we don't get first or second then we're not going up that's all I'm saying so when you've got teams with spending a lot of money like Bolton, Stockport and Huddersfield Huddersfield made a good start under new manager Liam Manning let's not forget who you had Bristol City in the Championship playoffs last season all I'm saying it's a big ask it's a big ask for us to stay up there as good as the form has been Michael Scubala we love you see if you can keep it going I'm not fully convinced but then I am a big believer in the inverse jinx aren't I Gregor so maybe that's what this is really all about I just wanted to have a quick look at the bottom of League 1 we've talked so much about how tight it is at the top and speaking of playoff and promotions and you know charges towards the top section of the table last season was all about Leighton Orient an amazing season for them last season not just a cup run but a charge towards the playoffs and they made the final of course losing narrowly against Charlton who are now in the championship but this season has been a different story for the O's 18th at the moment and perhaps Gregor their season summed up in the most poetically tragic way possible I don't know whether you saw this at the weekend they signed Daniel Backman much needed signing in the goalkeeper position bit of experience signed on loan for Watford this is an Austrian international goalkeeper of course injured in the warm-up misses the game they lose 1-0 at home to bottom of the table Portvale and now there's some reports that as we record the show Backman might indeed be out for the season having never played a minute I think it's potentially a broken ankle like it's really unheard of kind of thing to happen in a warm up that is when you know the season is not going for you and you know we've got colleagues at the Times who are Leighton Orient fans as well some of them are starting to get a little twitchy about those four relegation places at the bottom of League 2 you've got Wigan down there, Rotherham, Burton as well who got a good draw against Cardiff at the weekend but still dropped into the bottom four yeah still dropped into the bottom four because of Rotherham I mean we spoke about Rotherham a couple weeks ago on an awful awful run and they've won their last two games they beat Northampton one of the teams below them and then they went to Exeter and smashed them 4-0 at the weekend and a big part of that has been because of goals of Harry Gray 17 year old Harry Gray younger brother of Archie Gray part of the the grey Leeds United dynasty the next the next part of that he's become Rotherham's youngest goal scorer in the club's history you know signing like that partly probably because of geography and like I guarantee that to the club that he's going to play and get experience could change everything so yeah that's that's been a big fillet for for Rotherham and on Orient like yeah it's been a bizarre season I mean they've still got Don Ballard who scored 15 goals this season 15 goals like you know brilliantly to replace the goals of last season's top goalscorer Charlie Kelman and they've scored 40 goals which is more than Bolton and Bradford but they've shipped 49 which is like by some distance to us in the league so you know Richie Wellens teams always we score goals but my goodness they are woeful at the back and I just saw Omar Beckles who's been like long term player, captain, PFA chairman he's just joined joined Gillingham so they've parted the company with him I think they're going to do their best to change as much as they can basically between now and the transfer window closing and there's even signs of life at Port Vale under Brady as well big win for them against Clayton Orient so yeah another exciting one another exciting battle at the bottom of League One yeah very tight at the top and at the bottom but as I mentioned let's give some attention to League Two we only gave them a very very quick mention last time mentioning Bromley's brilliance at the top of the table and Alison Rudd's interview with their striker Michael Cheek Bromley are still top there of the table their amazing form continues clear by six points but it's the team below them in second who we mentioned at the break they're Cambridge United 14 unbeaten Gregor six wins on the spin some of the best form in the Football League absolutely fantastic to see Yeah, that's their joint longest run in the football league history I think for about 60 years brilliant run, yeah I mean this is a kind of rise that's based on the opposite to Wayne Orient it's based on a really really solid defence conceded 22 goals 11 clean sheets both of which are the best in the league you know they've got some experience some real talent but experience as well James Brophy's a really good player at the level he's had a hand in 10 goals this season Ben Knight's quite an interesting story 23 year old forward who started his career at Manchester City last season he was playing for Real Murcia in the Spanish third tier picked him up on a three in the summer and he scored one of the goals at the weekend he's been in the goals of late scored against still them at the weekend yeah this has been a really really positive run for them and when we looked at the lead table even just a few weeks ago you had Walsall having a bit of a wobble but we're still managing to hold on to one of the automatic places same with Swindon no more we've got some gate crashers coming up and Salford actually you throw into that mix as well Notts County have won four in a row so yeah I didn't even go down as far as Grimsby who plummeted but I think they'd won six in a row before the weekend so you know a few teams have been on real purple patches recently and have really soared up the table Yeah brilliant form from Cambridge near the top of the table you mentioned that chasing pack there Gregor Swindon and Walsall who had been much nearer the top of the table dropping down into sixth and seventh is Swindon I wanted to talk about next and not necessarily because of performances on the pitch but Swindon Town manager Ian Holloway doing the business off the pitch again bringing great stories he's really is an absolute story generator he's criticized FA officials after captain Ollie Clark was suspended 24 hours before Saturday's League Two meeting with Barrow Swindon had been fined already a thousand pounds because they played Ollie Clark in an EFL trophy tie against Luton they thought then that a seven game ban that he was subject who at the time did not apply.

28:23But Holloway was absolutely raging to find out on Friday that his skipper had been missing for another one-game suspension and wouldn't play against Barrow. I'm not going to do the accent, listeners, but I will read out his quotes. He said, We'd had a terrible blow when I was told at five o 'clock that my captain couldn't play after we prepared with him in the team. I've rung the league manager's association to complain. I think it's unprofessional. They want to find me? Good. They want to ban me? Good. Do it. have a look at yourselves every single one of you it's absolutely disgusting disgusting disgusting absolutely brilliant stuff good there was some ferocity like it would just go up a notch wouldn't it it was like he's talking you know fairly in our way and then it's disgusting and like you know have a look at yourselves every one of you it's like my goodness yeah i mean uh like it's fairly it seemed like you know when you look at take all this performance stuff away it seems like they made a mistake that you can't really make and they've been punished for it ok the fact that it happened 24 hours a game 24 hours before a game was very unfortunate for them but my god I don't feel like the reaction really merited the kind of the offence or the punishment that they've been dealt out so I found it all very bizarre and he's you can say he's a content generator he's also a bit of a caricature of himself now I think at this point so you know his team had been, had lost three games in a row he said this is a siege mentality now I think that's what he's doing, he's trying to say it's them against the world Yeah and maybe feeling a little bit of that pressure as I say of falling down the table a little bit, he would have hoped to stay in those automatic promotion places at the top of the table in the playoffs now so maybe some of that pressure finally telling Let's finish with a look at the bottom of the table.

30:18Gregor, you get to say I told you so because Shrewsbury Town have sacked manager Michael Appleton in the last week. They've struggled all season, despite my outside tip for a run towards the playoffs. I still think Michael Appleton's a good coach. I'm just not sure this was the right team for him there. 22nd at the moment. Newport below them. Christian Fuchs still struggling to find consistency as manager there. And Harrogate Town, bottom of the Football League. 18 points. They've been on an absolutely dreadful run, haven't they Gregor it's looking worrying for them Yeah just quickly I'd say I've got to give a shout out to Bristol Rovers win over Newport obviously that was a that was a big defeat for Newport but big win for Bristol Rovers and Yusuf Akamrich wow I mean 20 year old on loan from Spurs his first goal was an absolute beauty and then a great touch before his second goal as well like he looks like he could be a signing that you know changes everything for them but yes I mean that was a big game Crawley against Harrogate was a big game Crawley obviously being plummeting as well but it was a big win for Crawley and Harrogate yeah my goodness they're on I think the next the one game short of 20 without a win and obviously they're a pretty unique club in that Simon Weaver is the longest serving manager in the country and his dad Irving Irving Weaver is the owner and chairman of the club it's been a long old association he hasn't been the owner and chairman for all that time but most of it he actually stepped in because Simon Weaver had taken the job and he was trying to start out in coaching and management and the club was looking like it was going to go under so he stepped in, he's a wealthy man home builder I think but now you know you're at a point in time where what manager survives 20 games without a win the answer the manager whose dad is the owner and chairman there's some nuance to this obviously the pair of them built the club as it stands and as it exists today they're an only club throughout their whole history promoted to the EFL for the first time and I've done well for a number of seasons but just in the last few seasons they've kind of started to fall away and I think the sort of financial realities have changed I think we've spoken about it in League 1 it's the same in League 2 the kind of upward drag of teams spending big money with huge resources makes it harder and harder for clubs of the size and Stature Harrogate to survive so it looks like this year that reality is going to come back to bite them but it'll be very interesting to see if Simon Weaver is still in charge at the helm if that's the case Yeah more than 16 years in charge of Harrogate Town for Simon Weaver I mean it would be nice wouldn't it if he could drag them out of the relegation places and keep that run going but we'll see what the future holds for Harrogate Town and some of those other teams at the bottom of the table maybe on the next time we record an EFL extra we'll leave it there for now Gregor Robertson thank you very much for joining me as always thank you too for listening if we've not mentioned your club or there's a player that you want to pick out and tell us to make sure we check out, do get in touch with me, tom.clark at thetimes.co.uk.

33:44We'll be back with an EFL show very soon, and we'll be back with the regular show on Thursday. We'll see you then.

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