Daniel Dubois: My Gladiator Lifestyle, Beating Anthony Joshua and Embracing Fear (E326)

0:00Watch it early on the High Performance App. Available now, Roman Kemp The broadcaster opens up A powerful conversation On success and mental health That fight for me was A learning process for me Mistakes I made maybe That was in the past, now I'm a man of the future Pain's not forever It's just a moment, isn't it? Tough people last, they go through their pain I'm stronger fighting I want to be in the biggest fights In the world and make the right moves, win all my next couple of fights and be at the top and hold on to it for as long as possible. That's world heavyweight champion boxer Daniel Dubois who joins us today.

0:42Look, Damien, as a man whose dad was a revered boxing coach, I think you rather enjoyed this interview. It was amazing, Jake. I mean, elite sports people just don't talk like this. There's no filter at all for Daniel's answers. I mean, listen out for how he told us he would deal with a rematch against his rival, Alexander Yusik, or what happened when his phone rang and we had to stop the interview. Because this gave us a unique insight into a guy at the top of his profession and how he's going about preparing for this next fight. Look, I think everyone has an opinion about Daniel. Sometimes it's negative as well, but you don't know him until you've heard this conversation.

1:17You know, how his dad built him as a kid, the sacrifices he made, what he was doing at home in the build-up to the Joshua fight. That story, by the way, is incredible, isn't it? and also what happened behind closed doors after he became the heavyweight world champion. Oh, by the way, how's the stomach? Well, the team suggested it would be a good idea if Daniel showed me how he knocked out Anthony Joshua. So he hit me with about 10 % of his power and it hurt. And it still hurts. I hope you enjoy this. We spoke to Daniel whilst he was in camp for his upcoming fight with Joseph Parker on the 22nd of February as part of the Riyadh season.

1:52But do not make your mind up about this guy until you hear this interview. You've heard nothing like it as we welcome heavyweight champion of the world, Daniel Dubois, to High Performance.

2:07Daniel, welcome to High Performance. Yeah. Muhammad Ali famously said champions are made far away from the spotlight of the ring. What's the one thing that has made you the fighter that you are today? Probably discipline and my upbringing and yeah, the way my dad's raised us really. So I'd say discipline, upbringing and yeah, focus. So you mentioned your dad there. He's obviously a seminal figure in your life. Tell us what was it he did in raising you that was so significant? I think from a young age, he had a vision and a path that he wanted us to go in and follow in sport. It was sport and boxing especially.

2:50He was a big boxing fan and he put me into boxing and it just kept me focused and gave me a drive and a passion and goals. And yeah, I definitely think that sport and discipline and old school way of him being an old school guy definitely shaped and moulded me. Go on, explain in more detail, what does being an old school guy that moulded you actually involve? I think an old school is like a single father, so you know, he's telling it as it is. you know, they'll take no shit from nobody. And, you know, you can see people a mile off when they're coming with whatever, you know. And for kids in raising us especially, he was good, you know.

3:33I'd say he was very consistent, so we just passed that on and the drive and the ambition to be champions. Is there a specific incident you think of when you think back to your childhood though where you can recognise how important your dad was for you? So many, really. I think in sport, just generally sport, getting in, because we did a lot of things. We did swimming, gymnastics I did, I did athletics, we did a lot of that. So, and we used to train at Crystal Palace. So getting involved in sport and what my dad did, he was a creative person, you know, he used to sell artwork and I used to do a lot of drawing and that from a young age.

4:17So So, yeah, just expressing yourself as a human being and all of that is perfect. What was the importance of the artwork? I love drawing. And my dad used to sell artwork, African art, all kind of art, you know, Hollywood even, all those types of stuff. And I used to draw a lot of it down when I was young and I was surrounded by it. So, you know, that just, yeah, I love seeing, you know, good artwork and sport and all of that just meshed together well. See, a lot of people wouldn't draw a parallel between art and boxing. Yeah. Why is there a parallel between those two things? I'd say boxing is artwork.

4:57Being a boxer, you have a canvas. The ring is the canvas and you can be the artist in there. It's not just all brutality. It's a lot of art, a lot of skill, like chess. You can figure, make plans and tactics and whatever. And yeah, for me, it's art. So boxing's often described, isn't it, as chess with gloves on. Yeah. What do you think is the key skill then that you were learning as a kid that enables you now to be the heavyweight champion of the world? The main thing was consistency and working towards a goal and overcoming your challenges, overcoming obstacles, whatever it is, you know, and believing that you're the best, you're the strongest out there and just carrying that belief and growing with that belief.

5:40And, you know, my dad trained us really hard, you know, really well from a young age. you know when I was a young kid I used to do like three hours push-ups non-stop and you know I was I was doing a lot of um sorry extreme stuff three hours push-ups non-stop yeah honestly yeah at what age about I'd say about from from maybe 10 12 you know yeah okay we're gonna do a bit of role play then I'm gonna be Daniel you're gonna be Daniel's dad dad I don't want to do push-ups since the reaction? Nah. What's the reaction? It was never really like that for me. I loved it. Honestly? To me, yeah. It was like, you know, I saw myself as the strongest kid in the world at that age.

6:22And then, you know, every time I was in the gym chasing the kids around the ring and they're wondering, why is this kid punching so hard? Yeah, it's the backstory behind it, but it's worked. And having that militant mindset is, yeah, So, you know, keep focused, don't get distracted, really. So did you ever say, like, Dad, I don't want to do this? Nah, nah, nah. For me, it was never, never, this is what I was going to do. This is from a young age, I was homeschooled, so this is what I was going to do. This is my whole focus in life, you know, to become a world champion and make it. And, yeah, I worked.

7:03Yeah, we followed that path, and my dad's belief and faith in God, and everything just led us in that direction. Let me ask you this then, how much of the fact you've made it is down to the work that you did with your dad and how much actually is down to your faith, whether that's the faith in God, faith in your dad, faith in yourself, what's the balance? All of it combined together, not one more than the other, this combined amount of work and knowing yourself and just to combine, you know, it's just an unstoppable force really. Is that what you feel like? Yeah. Honestly? Yeah. What do you think could stop you?

7:39Nothing. Nothing right now. Just need, you know, without Sarah Narragant or nothing, it's just I believe that. You know, I know who I am, where we're coming from, so, you know, I'm not going to let nothing stop me. I'm going to keep going and getting stronger and stronger.

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9:39There's a great quote I often think about with boxers from Customato, Mike Tyson's trainer, that said that fear is a friend of exceptional people. Yeah. And what you do, I get the hard work stuff and how faith can be significant for you. but how did you learn to overcome the fear of first going into a boxing ring because that can be quite an intimidating place for a young man Very, the fear, I think my dad helped me through that bit a lot How? It's just throwing you in the deep end, you've got to learn to swim haven't you? Tell us about that I think from going to the amateur clubs and sparring and getting disheartened from a bad session but then coming back the next day and doing a little bit better and a bit better until you're the number one and you're dominating the sparring.

10:27And just little battles like that, the small things, you don't have to worry about the big things. The little bits of improvement every day make a big difference. Your dad's obviously a big character here, right? But none of this happens without you. So I'm interested in those bad sessions or those bad fights or those difficult early days. You go home, your dad's not in the room, you lay your head on the pillow back in your house. It's been hard. What are you saying to yourself? Self-doubt or none of that was never a problem for me. Just improving, getting better. Because I come from kind of a big family as well, so I was competitive at home as well.

11:05So, you know, you're never down and you stay down. You just get right back up, get right back in the race. And, you know, my brother, my sister, they all boxed. So, you know, it's a fight in the family in a way. so what advice can you offer our audience about overcoming fears though go and look at um any of the the great fighters like mike tyson and what custom art used to say you know and um you know fear is your friend sometimes and you know um she's you know you it starts with a spark and then you feed the spark and it becomes and all of that stuff and that's that's really powerful when you're when you're when you're just taking that in and listening to the words properly you know that's really powerful and there's many great um examples of you know how you can use fear and how you can overcome any obstacle so let's go to the the moments before your most famous fight yet against aj yeah was fear present in that moment no no no how can it not be you're about to fight in front of 80 000 people against a celebrated heavyweight champion yeah well um It just wasn't in the equation.

12:18My dad set the scene from back home. He was just playing. He had a little gathering at our house from where we were. And we built up a little energy and we took that to the fight. And we was playing the right music. And that really inspired me and lifted me up. And you can watch the ring walk. And I was on point. It was where I needed to be mentally. So, yeah, I'd say just set the scene and you just took the spirit with us. So, talk to us a bit more about that. So, your dad got a load of people at your house before this fight? Yeah, had a little party before the fight. A party before the fight?

12:57Yeah, yeah. You know, you go into war sometimes. You can't just be, you know, all scared and like you've got to go to the gallows. You've got to lift your spirit up and I think that's what we did. So, who was there and what were you doing? Oh, loads of people were there, you know, loads of people, loads of my dad's old friends and guys my dad knows. So, yeah. What was going on? Just music, you know, war chants on the way to the ring and on the way to the fight. It was good. That's so interesting because I think most people in this situation go, right, now everyone leaves me. Now I have a silent moment.

13:35Now I don't want distractions. I want to just get my gloves taped up and I want to get into my own. Do you not have that moment? Before you're going out and you're actually getting your stuff wrapped up, you don't want to overthink things sometimes. Sometimes you're thinking too much, you're too slow, you're too late. So you don't want to overthink it. But take us inside your mind. What kind of messages were you saying to yourself? There's that old saying that a fight can never be won on the warts of the ring, but it can be lost. So what were you saying to yourself on in those quiet moments. I'm not even overthinking it like that.

14:10It's not even like that for me. It's like, I've been doing this my whole life, so I'm not going to get too overworked up about it. It's just, it's like walking in a park or, you know, just don't, just don't overthink it. It's, you know, like what your guys do, your jobs, you don't overthink it, you just do it. You know, as long as you believe in yourself and you've got good support behind you, then it shouldn't be too much of an ask. We don't overthink it, right? But we have a plan. Yeah. Right? In the same way we've got questions written down here and you will have a plan. Yeah, we throw the plan out the window.

14:46You get rid of the rule book, man. Well, you're not walking to the ring going, right, they've told me to do this and if this happens, do this. Nah. Nah. There's no like round one plan? I don't think like that. I think, yeah, it's a round one plan but I just get it in my head and it stays in my head. It's not even, it's just a muscle memory after a while, isn't it? You just do it. You don't even, it's just muscle memory. And as long as you've practiced it and you've put your heart and soul into it, your body will deliver. And yeah. Can you talk to us about doing it? What does the perfect punch look like or feel like from your perspective?

15:19Anyone that lands, really.

15:23Yeah, anyone that lands. And you've got a good rhythm, I guess. Things can happen. For those that don't know much about boxing, you can demonstrate if you want, but how much of what goes on is more than just your arm and your fist, if that makes sense? How much is this your whole body? You only have to look at fighters. For a proper fighter, you practice day in, day out. So it becomes muscle memory after a while. It becomes like you definitely don't think too hard about it. It's just when you practice, you do it. but you earlier used that description of boxing being like chess with gloves on yeah so you have to strategize you have to change plan if something's not working you need to find an alternative so how do you go about doing that when you're in the midst of the maelstrom of a fight I guess don't lose your composure first one don't lose your composure and yeah stay switched on at all times and yeah she's got my skin in my dad's voice shouting at you then you won't lose your composure and keep your eyes on him at all times.

16:30Could you hear him shouting at you during the AJ fight? A little bit, a little bit. When I'm back in the corner, I hear that. What was he saying? And it just livens you up. Just normal stuff like just what I needed to hear. Which was what? I can't tell you. Because? This is personal. Is that right? Yeah. Was there a moment in the AJ fight where you either landed and punched and thought that hurt him or even that you knew you'd won? When you're in a fight, I don't even... You just fight until the fight's done. So I believe I was going to win. I believe, you know, I just believe the gods were on my side that night and that was a punch from the gods.

17:12So, you know, I delivered that and they were just on my side and that was my night. You land that punch. What are you thinking? What are you feeling? Take us into that moment. Job done. Job done. job done he's in it's over now and everything my dad said we were gonna do we've done it so yeah thought about your dad yeah straight away of course wow mate your dad is such a presence for you isn't he of course you know if you know if you know the things he's done and the way he's lived his life and and then what he's done for me and my brothers and sisters it's amazing you know It's amazing. How much has he sacrificed?

17:56Probably everything for us growing up and, you know, raising us and training us and everything, yeah. So how do you make that distinction then between him being your dad and being your coach? I have a coach. You know, he's not my coach like that. When he was younger, he used to train me a lot. But, you know, now I always listen because, you know, you need someone outside of the action that can sit back and observe it properly and see what's going on. So how does your dad manage that distinction between sort of the personal, being your dad, and the professional of being in your corner or being by your side in the fight game?

18:36Because he's always been there, I think, so it's just natural. It's not, it's natural. He's always been there. He's always been behind the scenes. And he doesn't push himself up front, so he lets me get on with it, you know, doing these interviews and everything and all of that stuff. And he was a single parent? Yeah. What was the situation with your mum? I'm not sure, you know. I saw my mum, you know, as well, but my dad was the main influence in my life. And can you share with us just one piece of advice or a bit of wisdom your dad has given you that you feel has been incredibly helpful for you?

19:14Don't wait. Don't wait. In fights, yeah, don't wait. Don't wait. We'll get straight in there. Yeah, that's it. How impatient are you for more? Never impatient, but I'd want more. I definitely want more for myself and want to maximise it because boxing's not forever. It's a short sort of career. You reach a high and you've got to make the most of it. So, you know, I'm ready to go in 100 % and go hard. I suppose the interesting question then is, this is the first time that you're really sitting here as a celebrated champion, as someone who other people are now chasing. So how has your mindset changed?

19:55And how do you stay hungry? It hasn't really changed much. You know, I don't feel like I've taken my eye off the ball or now I'm a champion and I'm somebody else. I'm still the same guy. If anything, it's made me more hungry, more determined to hold on to the belt. And how have you done that? Because one of your predecessors, the famous Joe Louis, had that quote that he said, it's hard to get up and run when you're wearing silk pajamas. Yeah. So how do you stay hungry? When you're living a gladiator's life, you know, you're in the gym and, you know, I'm in a circle of people. I don't, outside of that circle, I don't really bother with too much.

20:35So when you're in that circle and you know what your job is and you know what you've got to do, you know, I want to be in the biggest fights in the world and, you know, make the right moves, win all my next couple of fights and be at the top and hold on to it for as long as possible. I love this idea of a gladiator lifestyle. Yeah. So you're currently in camp. Take us into your camp. What does a day look like for you? What is a gladiator lifestyle this far out from a fight? It's pretty much training for most of the day. So what time are you up? I'm up, say, about eight, eight o 'clock, get ready.

21:15sometimes you go to the gym sometimes you just do stretching in the morning yeah it's pretty full on stretching and when you go to the gym you might do some sparring, bag work, pads yeah for how many hours? could be like two hour, three hour sessions twice a day yeah and nutrition, talk us through what breakfast, lunch and dinner looks like all your protein I won't tell you it's going too much but we like these Yeah, the good stuff. These are good for people. What does a breakfast look like, for example? Breakfast. Sometimes just eggs. Sometimes used to be a chicken a day. Yeah. Why is it no longer a chicken a day?

21:54I've grown now, so I don't need that. You need two chickens a day. I don't need that no more, luckily. So that was to grow to the size you needed to be. Yeah. How many eggs would you do at breakfast? As many as there were, really. I'd sometimes eat the whole pack. I love that. What about the mental training? How much time do you spend doing that? I think about the fight a bit. I think, like I say, I don't overthink it, but I definitely, I do picture out of how I want the fight to go. You know, I see, you know, many different scenarios. I might be in many different situations. When it gets rough or when it gets tough, you know, you know, when you have to dig deep in a fight, you know, you go through all of that.

22:36And the best way is to be inspiring as well. That helps a lot. Can you talk to us about dealing with pain? Because I think a lot of people will never get to where you are because they can't take the pain. They can't pay the price. What does the price look like? What does the pain feel like? And how do you go through it? How do you get through it? You know, pain is not forever. It's just a moment, isn't it? It's just that tough people last, they go through their pain. It just makes you stronger, you know? What don't kill make you stronger and that's what I believe that's happened to me when you go through the pain barrier and the things you don't want to do but you still do it anyway that will make you a tougher gladiator make you like iron, make you strong I'm always interested in when you talk about pain what's the one thing that you hate doing but you just have to do it maybe sometimes when you have to get up and train early or if something unexpected might happen you know they call you to the gym and you're not even you didn't expect to go but you still go you know for me it's not a question of whether I'll do it it's just you know tell me what time and I'll be there so how many times do you miss a training session or how many training sessions none none when I'm in a fight none when I'm in a fight no can I ask you a difficult question about pain though and ask you about the fight with Joe Joyce yeah because it ended up with you taking a knee due to an eye injury in Frampton for example It was commentators who suggested that you quit, that the pain got too intense for you.

24:11Tell us about that. Yeah, boxing's full of opinions. So that was never going to get to me. I believe that that fight for me was a learning process for me. And, yeah, you know, mistakes I made maybe before that. Like what? I don't know. I feel like, you know, that was in the past. Now I'm a man of the future, so, you know, I'm a different guy. If you're still overpaying for wireless, it's time to say yes to saying no. At Mint Mobile, their favourite word is no. No contracts, no monthly bills, no overages, no hidden fees, no BS. I made the switch because I was tired of those ridiculous bills and sneaky charges from my old provider.

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26:44i remember once being having the good fortune to meet angelo dundee who spoke about that the moment after a fight is actually really imposing after a loss yeah in the dressing room is really important for a fighter of course because you won you find out dressing room's empty and yeah exactly so tell us about that experience because you run an upward curve and then you suffer a loss like that you get criticism of people saying you've quit i'm interested in how you have rebounded from it just um knowing reality i guess and um you know some people are just there for a ride you don't and you know obviously that's how boxing is that's the sport is, the opinions, people are going to say whatever they want, but as long as you can prove yourself and prove, you know, not just to people, but prove to yourself that you're better than that, you're not a quitter, and you know, you fight to the end.

27:39That's the mindset I've been, you know, carrying from those days anyway. But tell us, so how did you go about those reflections? Because it must have been painful to reflect on a loss like that. I'm interested on how did you go about the process of learning from it? I guess it was just rebuilding I think because I changed my team after that so that was good that was a fresh start you know we changed the team change old training team train change some of the things I was doing in training and yeah I feel like yeah that was just a part of building myself as a character as a fighter and going through that loss and when you suffer your first loss and not knowing you know you feel like everything's oh it's over now but it isn't you know you still got more to give and I was only 22 at the time so you know they may have put me in a bit too early I might have not been ready for that but you know I'm stronger fighting now.

28:38Are you glad it happened? Not glad I would have loved to win but um it's it's just one of the things that in in this sport in this world you you got to go for it. and I do want to just ask you about the moment that you had to make the decision to take the knee because I sit in now listen to you talk and it's like obviously you're physically like you're a boxer but mentally you're probably one of the most bulletproof people we've ever had opposite us right it's like it's not about overthinking it's about just delivering yeah so how hard was it to make that decision to go down on one knee I don't even think like how what was that that moment i guess i was in in a lot of pain you know getting your eye you know fractured and everything you know you know if you if you had ever been in that situation then you might i could you that'll explain it a lot better for you how long had you boxed with that pain yeah a few rounds before that i think a few rounds and you know i was yeah a few rounds i think i was up on the school cards as well.

29:43So, you know, just one of them things, you know, just one of them things. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. That's right. But you said that you changed your team after that. So what are the requirements it takes to be a member of Team Dubois now? What are the qualities that you look for? Let me take this call. Yeah,

30:05I'm just in it now. All right. it's an old school phone that's an old school phone why do you have an old school phone because just cut out the bullshit is that right cut out all the bullshit cut out all the bullshit so no x no instagram nah nah nah no facebook no need for that it's all distractions and is that your phone in camp or is that your phone all the time that's a camp phone is that right I love that so go on go back to the the question of what was it so you change your team after that after that fight and I'm interested in what are the qualities that you look for to allow somebody to be a member of Team Dubois?

30:44An old mobile phone? Probably. An old school kind of person as well. Someone that you can talk to and that can take information on board. Like, you know, what you want to do in camp and what you want to work on. Because I feel like a lot of coaches out there have a mindset where they're always right. But, you know, you need to be flexible in the boxings. You know, anything could change, you know. So, yeah, anything, you know, a person that's old school, disciplinarian, but also able to talk to and, you know, take your opinion on board. We're about to do our quickfire questions. Before we do that, how far can you go?

31:25I'm at the top right now, so I think the next step would be thinking undisputed, I guess. Do you tell yourself you want to be the greatest? I want to win all my fights yeah I want to be the greatest I want to go down as a legend and you know be written down in history books forever you know I've already think with the AJ fight that was historic so yeah just go even further and you believe you can do it? 100 % any doubt at all? none not 1 % of doubt? so you've fought Yusik before he is at the moment regarded the goal as a goal what would you do different next time? I don't know I'd get all my corner my corner in the ring and we all jump him I think that would work

32:18Good luck in that fight

32:23Right we've got some quick fire questions Yeah

32:29What are the three most important behaviours that you think are valuable for high performance? ready to make sacrifices, ready to just train and just put your blinders on, as they say, and just train and, you know, just stay focused, train and eat and sleep properly. Eat and breathe the sport that you do or whatever you do. Lovely. So Daniel, we've got a feature on the High Performance app called Habit Reminders, where our listeners can take the habits of our high performers they've heard and incorporate them into their own lives. What's the one habit that you do that makes such a difference to you?

33:10It's just my lifestyle, I think. Lifestyle. So when you're in it, you know, when you're eating, breathing, sleeping, the sport, boxing, that's what's kept us going. Who are the three greatest boxers of all time? The three greatest, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson. I can't even say all time, but Jack Johnson up there. Yeah Who's your boxing hero? Ali Mahmoud Ali I'd say So if you could build your ideal boxer yeah which one would you choose for power which one would you choose for speed and which one would you choose for Ringcraft and Naus Power I think Mike Tyson for power Speed Speed Mahmoud Ali And Ringcraft Maybe Sugar Ray Leonard Yeah What advice would you give to a young Daniel just starting out on this journey?

34:03What are you telling? Stay off the sweets. Yeah. Stay focused. Stay off the sweets. Yeah. Yeah, I think just to love it more and just keep going, you know, keep going. Stay more focused as well. And finally, Daniel, what's your one golden rule for living a high-performance life? Sacrifice, I think. Sacrifice. Yeah. what you're feeling and how your emotions don't come first what comes first is the sport and what you've got to do and what you've got to execute in the ring and in training camp and making sure you're 100 % mentally ready to do it

34:47Damien Jake in many ways that was a mindset far stronger and more powerful than I expected from Daniel Dubois and I know that sounds ridiculous when you know that he's, you know, a world heavyweight champion and then he's beaten Anthony Joshua and he's gone in the ring with some of the biggest names. But it's, you know, when I was saying, how much do you believe you're going to be the greatest? How much doubt do you have? How much fear do you have before a fight? And you know, when you know someone's giving you an answer, they think it's the right answer, but they don't believe it, right? I think he was giving us those answers and absolutely believes he will be.

35:19There is no room for self-doubt. There is, I don't think there is any fear. I mean, he said he walked into the ring to fight AJ like going for a walk in the park. I mean, how? It's incredible. Yeah, I think that quote that we spoke about from Custa Marto of fear is a friend of exceptional people. I think from being a young man, his father's obviously taught him about how do you harness that fear to be able to fire you up, to be able to go out there and perform rather than let it consume you and burn you down. And I think we're meeting a guy that spent the last 20 odd years of his life learning these lessons from a really young age, whether it's doing the 300 press-ups to toughen him up physically or whether it's about the reflections on a loss from when he first went in the gym and was struggling and having to go back the next day.

36:07It was about showing up rather than dominating. That was actually where the real value was. It was almost a bulletproof mindset, wasn't it? Yes. You know, there was one moment where you were talking to him about when he took the knee in an early defeat and he just looks at you and you're like, yeah. Then you go back to the quiet room. And that was the moment, just the only moment where I thought you've had some, you've had a moment there where you've sort of gone back to a silent room and had a bit of reflection. You need layers to be the best, to be the greatest. You can't just be bulletproof and walk through a storm all the time.

36:42You need those moments of reflection. I'm very excited to see what his future looks like. And I'm so glad that I've never heard him talk like that anywhere else, that he chose our show to come and reveal more of himself than I've ever seen. It's a real privilege to get up close and personal with guys like that that are at the apex of their career that they're trying to put out a certain perception because they know that other fighters are going to be watching them. But for them to come and speak so openly and honestly is a real privilege. I agree with that. Thanks, mate. And that's it for this week's episode of High Performance.

37:14Daniel, thank you so much. We wish you all the very best of luck in your next fight and for the rest of camp. And if you're listening to this thinking, man, I love these conversations with boxers. Well, we've got lots of people to catch up on. Yeah, we've got Tyson Fury, Kyle Frampton, Josh Warrington, Josh Taylor and Leila Ali. You can search for them all on the High Performance app. And if you prefer a promoter rather than a boxer, we've got Barry Hearn, we've got Eddie Hearn and Frank Warren. Oh, plenty. So if you're into your boxing, check them out right now. And we've also set up a broadcast channel on Instagram where we post a few behind-the-scenes photos.

37:49Damien dives on there sometimes, me as well. So if you want to join our broadcast channel, just log on to Instagram, follow us there. We would love to chat with you. See you soon for plenty more from High Performance.

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