Discovering Your Ikigai: Finding Purpose, Passion, and Fulfilment in Life with Hector Garcia

0:00Hi there, I'm Jake Humphrey and you're listening to High Performance. this is an exclusive episode with a man who wrote a book called Ikigai his name is Hector Garcia and Ikigai is a game-changing mindset and approach to life that I've employed Damien Hughes talks about it on stage regularly everyone that we speak to about Ikigai walks away educated inspired and empowered so what's it all about how does it work how can you incorporate Ikigai into your own life I think this is going to be a really valuable, vital conversation for so many people that have got so many great things going on, but they're not really sure why they don't feel that sense of purpose, that sense of calm, that sense of doing something really worthwhile.

0:47Well, Ikigai may well just be the thing that gets you closer to this. And what I would say, please don't just listen to this episode and think that was interesting and then move on with your lives. Take on board the things that we talk about with Hector. Sit down after the episode, Draw four circles on a piece of paper and create your own ikigai. And that will all become clear when you listen. Right now, please allow myself and Professor Damien Hughes to speak to the ikigai expert, Hector Garcia, so that he can be your teacher. Enjoy this very special episode of High Performance.

1:30well hector first of all welcome to the high performance podcast with the mindset that you've developed through your study of ikigai what do you consider to be a high performance life high performance life for me let me give you my definition of performance it's where you are living with purpose most of the time as much as possible that would be performance for me and from there all the other things good things about life will spin out like you will have more energy you will be more happy and everything but I believe the base is having some sense of purpose. So what is your advice to people? And I'm sure they ask you this often.

2:17They say, look, Hector, I've got two kids. I've got a job I love. I've got a stable roof over my head. I've got family. I go on holiday a couple of times a year, but I feel I don't have purpose in my life. How do we go about defining and finding and then living with purpose that's very personal and i think the case is different for everyone so one case is the story that you just explained like i have all these things everything you said are is like material things that kind of society tells us to do and life happens for some reason right and when you enter the situation you're saying it usually happens between your 30s and your 40s and first thing is you don't have to blame yourself and I would try to find the moment usually you've had some times in your life that you have felt more purpose and I would tell you to try to remember how was your life in those times when you had you felt happy and you felt purpose and you felt like being like wow I'm having a high performance life and see what's different from now and also try to find like how it was the transition between when you felt really good and you're not feeling so good usually I think what happens is that you have to move on maybe you're in your 40s but you're still trying to live like in your 20s but the whole situation has changed many people ask does your ikigai change over life most for most of the people the answer is yes by the way ikigai is the japanese word that means your reason for being and usually what happens with when you are like in a situation like you said is that you are still living an old Ikigai and you have to connect with your current self and let go of all things.

4:34That's one way to see it. And then there is some lucky, lucky people. Like I think it's like one, two percent of people that they kind of know their Ikigai from when they are five years old. They play the piano and they play piano until they are 90 years old. They become like Olympic sports people they become amazing doctors we need those types of people but 99 of us we are not like that like we we are transitioning over life so hector i love the idea of going and constantly refreshing your ikigai and trying to make sure that it's adapted to the situation that your life is in at the moment the million dollar question is what are the kind of questions and reflections that our listeners could be engaged in to be able to achieve that?

5:28First, see if you really need it. Maybe you don't. But one test that is like, do you wake up in the morning looking forward to your day? You jump from bed and it's like, wow, today I'm going to be, this is an amazing day, I'm looking forward to it. And we all have bad days. It's okay if you have one, two of these days. bad days in a month that you wake up and say like, oh no, I don't want to do anything. But if that's happening every day to you, that's the wake up call. And one way is to look back and see what happened. Another way is to look at now. We have the tool that we call it the four circles of Ikigai.

6:15It's an exercise that if you do it, there's one of the things everyone says about the self-help books is that if you actually do something that is in the book it can slightly change your life for better. If you actually do this exercise it's like the four circles is what you love doing. So you write in a paper what you love doing. Then you write in a paper what you're good at. Then you write in a paper what you can make money off that that's very obvious if you have a job you can put your job but also i want you to put things that you have a sense that you might be able to make money with or you did in the past or you want to and you can make up like a wish list i can make money i don't know baking good bread because i have don't put limits into what you write in these circles and the last one is what the world needs it sounds very like wow i have to help the world but it means also like you can start small how can i help the people around me how can i help my husband or my wife or my kids or this person in my family who might need my kind words how can i help them you write down all this, and you don't need to come up with a solution at the moment, but it will stay in your subconscious.

7:48And days later, I'm telling you, like, everyone, your subconscious will, maybe you take a shower or you're walking, and you will say, okay, I had this idea. Maybe I should start doing more of this and start eliminating this from my life, because it's not really, I didn't even write it in my circles why I'm doing this. So this is a tool that will help you like a wake up call. So let me ask you then if you could just articulate the benefits of doing this because Jake and I have a saying that many self-help books are actually shelf help books. They only ever stay on the bookshelf. So how do we translate this from a concept to action?

8:29Will you explain some of the benefits i like that a lot shelf books that's that's my main worry but at least my books are going to the shelf as long as you get something that it becomes a tool for your whole life from from each book i think that's good enough and from from ikigai the lesson i want people to take it's even just to keep the word ikigai in your heart the japanese word to keep it with you and it will become like a tool and you can use it all not only for you if you have a friend who is going through a hard time or you have your kids and they are thinking oh what do i want to be in the future like thinking about your profession instead of asking do you want to be a firefighter or do you want to be a soccer player you can ask your kids like what's your ikigai then that changes the whole what's the purpose of your whole life and you can make the question very short just having the word ikigai as a tool for your life i think that that's good enough for me now about the four circles how do you actually implement them if we write everything something will come up and if it doesn't then go back to the what you wrote and try to find the common thing it will give you insight also about who you are like maybe you like working with people or you dislike working with people.

10:07You are more like, it's not like you don't like people, but you are more like an artist. It's a self-discovery tool for yourself. And for that, I have another, it's not in the Ikigai book. We have another book called The Ikigai Journey, which is more really a self-help book. So we give you actionable items because our first book, I don't think it's a self-help book. It gives you inspiration from Japan about the purpose of life and the elders of Japan. Our second book, we give you tools. And one of the tools that I like a lot is like write down three things that you loved about your day and three things that you hated about your day.

10:53And also do this for 15 days. And it's amazing that you will find a pattern. especially about the three things that you hate about your day. Probably you'll have a person that you hate that you are having meetings with, or a company or a client. And then after 15 days, just go and find the three things that are repeating the most that you hate and eliminate them from your life. Just by eliminating what you dislike, you will start connecting and spending more time with what you like. that's one of the tools that i personally use when i feel overwhelmed or stressed in my life i go back to that thing more than the circle the circles i usually do them like once every one to two years and it changes slightly from the old circles but i always end up with the same answer because like my ikigai is writing books hector in a moment i want to play you some clips from guests who've joined us on High Performance and see how their thinking fits into your your ikigai thinking of your reason for being.

12:04Before we go there though there's just a couple of things I want to pick up from what you've said for people who'll be listening to this I think they'll be thinking hold on what if I can only find three things that fit in the circle what if I can find something that the world needs and I love it and I'm good at it but I don't think I can make money from it or what if there's something I love I know the world needs it I know I can money from it, but unfortunately I'm not very good at it. Or even when we talk about, look at your life, write down the, you know, three things that you don't want in your life.

12:35You know, sometimes that is my partner or my family or my, or my job or my house. And these are really hard things for people to correct. So for people that are listening to this and then maybe feeling a bit hopeless thinking, well, that all sounds amazing, but I can see the, the trip wires in front of me. what would you say to them start small that's what i would say if you're feeling overwhelmed i would say always start small don't try to change everything in one magic there is no magic button there is no self-help book that will fix your life and there is no person there is also a tendency like there is a guru or someone that will come and will fix your life or there is no magic pill that you will drink and your life will be good.

13:24It's only in the movies. So yes, start small. This also feels like cliche, but don't give up. Almost always you will find a way. And sometimes it doesn't come from the most obvious place. It usually takes many years to become an expert. I think you have experience with podcasts. It's also an art it's very difficult to find a successful podcast that it has been only six months going on most of successful podcasts is like after many many years and usually podcasts i'm not an expert but usually you will not make money from the podcast itself you will make money or things from whatever business you build around your podcast but those ideas will not come to you until you do the first thing that's how i would approach it start small don't give up and many ideas and things will start opening once you become an expert in your field and hector can you tell us a little bit around the importance of ikigai in relation to health and well-being so for example we came across the dan bootler work about the blue zones where this sense of ikigai was involved in areas where people's life expectancy was longer than the average and i'm interested in you sharing some of that knowledge for our listeners when i came to japan the first thing that one of the things that surprised me is that there were many elder people they kept working the concept of retiring and doing nothing nothing is a little bit abstract there is no words that is equivalent to our retirement more the meaning is of transition from being a salary like person who gets a salary to being a person that is a Japanese word that is like your next life.

15:21In Europe, we have the, you retire and then you do nothing. And what happens is that when you do nothing, you start your sense of purpose. If you've been working for 20, 30 years with the same people, it's like a part of you has been removed. And the research is that the probability of you dying between the next two, three years after you retire, if you don't have a hobby or a passion or you are not very involved in your family, it sky's rocket. Wow, that's powerful. Thank you. Right, Hector, let's share with you some of the guests who've joined us previously on the podcast and get your thoughts on what they had to say.

16:06First of all, this is two guys who make up a music group called chase and status talking to us about money have a have a listen to this if you go into this game into this world that you love so much just desperate and grateful to be given the opportunity that like they're so high and mighty and your music is just thank you so much for having it it's the wrong attitude to have you need to know your worth and like very difficult straight away just be like well this is maybe not maybe not the remuneration of it just like this is worth something more than that and you're not having it until we get what we want and if you want it you can have it if you don't it's all good and with that people will be like fair enough let's talk rather than like oh yeah i gave so and so the song for free because i'm so pleased to be on x and y i'm like great you'll never get paid ever yeah you know you got to start what you mean to go on basically and that was important for us it's an interesting one isn't it hector knowing your own worth because i think sometimes you can find things through the process of vicar guy that you love so much that sometimes you don't do yourself justice because you're just so happy to be doing it yes that's that's the best way to to find to find your ikigai or to create i like the word more like to create your ikigai when you do it with so much passion and energy that you don't realize that is happening i feel hector that i've found my own ikigai in the last three years hosting this podcast i think sometimes we feel we have to join all the dots in advance so you have to know it's your vicar guy you have to fill in all four circles you have you have to totally see the path to enlightenment and joy and happiness and i actually think that when i started this podcast a i didn't know about the concept of vicar guy but also the only thought process i had was i really want to have these conversations so i didn't actually know if i'd be very good at it some people might still say that i'm i'm not very good at it i didn't know whether it would pay any money i didn't know whether the world would need it but i did know that it made me happy and so i i do i do think that i want people to hear that sometimes it's all about taking the action without having to have all the answers in front of us at that time that's the ultimate advice i tell my my friends when they start asking should i do this should i do that just do it here's the nike just do it just just do it sadly someone's already taken that strap nothing yeah there are there are many many books so it's like but it's the one i use like would just do it and nothing bad i don't know nothing bad happened to you doing a podcast you had this sense inside you that you wanted to do like okay i'm going to do a podcast and then that that that That's a feeling and that maybe the listeners are telling us, like, how do I know if that sense is the right one or not?

19:08So I'm asking you now, how did you know that sense it was powerful enough? Because it didn't go away. So I was born in a small village in the rural East Anglian countryside here in the UK and always thought that there was high achieving, successful people. then there's normal people like me and then I ended up Hector as a TV presenter I worked in Formula One I now work in football and from spending time with all of these high achieving people I realized that there is no difference between them and everybody else and we've all done the same thing which is deal with setbacks work hard be committed accept failure find the thing that makes you happy chase it down you know all in unconditionally so I wanted to then have these conversations but it always felt like the wrong time so for 20 years I wanted people to hear this but also the medium of podcasts wasn't around 20 years ago so it was kind of podcasts appeared I finally had the opportunity to do it and I thought if something's been in your head for 20 years eventually you need to listen to it that's also powerful if something's just staying in your head for many many years just just do it there is a saying in Japan that is like if you fall seven times you have to stand up eight times that you just like said about setbacks and everything don't give up and if you fall down just stand up again and if you fall down stand up again until you make it

20:47so hector can i introduce you to one of our other guests um and an author called roxy nefusi now Rux is an expert on the concepts of manifestation the idea of being able to visualize your future that you want so there's some parallels here with some of the Ikigai concepts can we play this clip here where she's talking around the role of money I'll be interested in your reaction to this let's say that um you want to earn let's say a certain amount of money next year. Okay. And you really need to then ask yourself, have you got this figure in your mind and you're like, I want to earn this job, which gives me X amount of money.

21:35Why? Like, what is the reason for the money? And be clear on that, the emotional pull on that. Is it because you want to be able to take your family on holidays without the kind of financial stress? Is it because you want to be able to pay your mortgage or you want a bigger house or you want a garden or you know the emotional pull on the kind of let's say the financial um goal is key in driving you through those challenges because if you when you face a challenge if you're able to you know maybe just seeing a number you start to think look we've all had those times where you're like what's it all for what you know you're feeling more you know you've achieved something or you're working towards something and you're like oh and you're having a bad day and you ask you're like what's it all for and you really need an emotional reason why something that that's going to make you feel satisfied and fulfilled because we also all know that things like financial gain success none of it means anything if we don't have um you know meaningful things in our lives to support that so i mean roxy speaks there around that concept that you said about asking the why, the emotional reason.

22:49But I'd be interested in you just expanding on that, please, Hector. I totally agree. But she brings the why, but also she brings the emotion. And I think that comes, I see that you are all experts in self-help. That all comes from the master Tony Robbins in the US. He's saying that since the 70s. everything that you do. Even if we try to rationalize everything, like Jake was saying before, I make a master plan to make my ikigai and to do all everything and my life is going to be perfect. At the end of the day, it's all about your emotions. If your emotions are out of whack, if you are totally stressed, if you're just going to make money but you're not going to make money for anything, you're just going to put it in your bank account account then you have zero emotion attached to that but if you want to make that money to give the best education to your children because you want them to be very happy and fulfilling their lives then maybe that will drive you emotionally to do like much better i'd like to now uh share a clip with you from a rugby player who joined us on high performance called danny cipriani it was a really, really fascinating conversation.

24:11And he talked to us about performance. Have a listen to this clip, see what you think. Coming from that environment or, and having lots of talent and, you know, the performance never wavered. It was always my off field stuff that happened. I understand how, you know, when I'm training in a, in Manchester and there's paparazzi coming because there's a new story coming out and I don't know what it is, but it's paparazzi on the side of the field taking shots on a Thursday. and I got to perform on Saturday, I'll get it done. That was never the issue. It was how I was feeling internally. So Danny had a challenging rugby career where he was one of the most talented young players that the game has ever seen.

24:51But he made some poor decisions as a young player. He feels now on reflection, Hector, like he didn't have the guidance he needed to make the right decisions. And as soon as he made the wrong decisions, it was pounced upon. The fact that it was pounced upon by the media and by the game of rugby, um put so much pressure on him he then made more poor decisions and he feels like it was a he was um almost like a victim of not having the right guidance and i suppose the interesting conversation here about ikigai is you can have all of the ability um but if it doesn't if there's an issue where you're either not fulfilled or some of your decision making allows things to go awry, then it can derail everything, can't it?

25:35Yes, I would bring here the importance of two things. Like one would be the role of having a mentor. The other one is you are the average of the five people that you hang out the most. So be very careful of who you are with. If you are around high-performance people, it will be very difficult that you are not a high-performance person. So be careful who you are with. And I don't know, in this case, when you become famous very young in your life, I think it's very, very difficult to handle it. Probably he's reflecting that he didn't have the right guidance. Bringing back the mentor. one of the things that has changed my life the most in my life was when i started having like a mentor in my life that it came in fact it came with ikigai the the origin story of i i used to write books before my first book was uh it's still it's still selling very well it's called A Geek in Japan.

26:51It was published when I was 26 years old. It's still one of the top-selling books in the Japanese culture section. And I was writing books about Japan, but I didn't make like a best-seller, you can say it, until I met with his, his name is Frances Miralles. he's uh i didn't know at the time he came to japan and he contacted me and he said let's have a dinner and we became friends and i didn't know that he was he was a very very famous novelist in spain he has published like more than 100 books it was like when i was talking with him wow this guy this is crazy he's like the spanish haruki murakami and we started walking in a very beautiful japanese garden and i was feeling very we started with this podcast talking about i in that time in my life i was in a very very rough place i was it was probably the worst time in my life i was dealing with a very i could with an illness in my intestine i was in a very rough place and francis i was talking to him about that in that japanese garden i explained to him the word ikigai and he said to me we have to write a book together because writing the book will be a therapy for yourself.

28:29And that's how we wrote the Ikigai together. It was me and Francesc. And after that, we have written many books together. And now we have a partnership. And he has taught me, last year, I published my first novel, my fiction. This is also my dream. This is my Ikigai that hasn't been realized yet. It's only in Spain. It's not selling so-so, but I'm very happy that it's there. Maybe one day I will write a novel that you'll be able to read in English. But Ikigai, the book, would not be in the world without me meeting with Francesc. So this chemistry for me is like a mentor. and that happened all in my 30s and now i'm in my 40s and in my 20s maybe i was also more egoistic like i was like following okay now i'm going to do this i was also before podcast i was i had a very popular blog in spain so i was like all by feelings and maybe making wrong decisions all the time and I didn't have I was not listening to anyone usually people are like how do I find a mentor and there is no perfect answer for this but usually when you start listening more to people around you and you start having an expertise in something a mentor will show up for you in your life and if you're in your 40s or 50s maybe you should think about giving giving back and becoming a mentor of someone else or like mentoring helping other people to to bloom that's great what i'd like to do hector is play you another clip from um one of our guests a lady called Professor Lucy Easthope.

30:35She's a disaster management expert. She often comes in after particular disasters to help people on the road to recovery. And she spoke to us very powerfully about what people need. And again, I think there's lots of parallels with your own writing and work here if you'd like to listen to it. If today there's an issue on the tube in London, it doesn't matter what causes it to me that will be for other people to worry about what I'm worried about is what do people need it could be an accident it could be a derailment it could be a terrorist attack my plan for the survivors and the bereaved and the deceased won't necessarily change it might have some specific aspects terrorism is policed very differently for example but what people need doesn't change so what Lucy was talking about in more detail in our interview Hector was around kindness people listening to them people showing that human empathy when you're a moment of crisis and I'm interested in again how this relates to your own teaching so I totally agree and I'm all for I'm all for like we like I said before I'm all for like a small things can change someone's day.

32:01Just saying thank you to someone or just say, okay, today I'm going to possibly spend a little bit of time with this person, more than usually. It can be a family member and someone start with small acts of kindness. I like the idea of having these small things that you're being kind to other people. I like thinking about the butterfly effect. Maybe you say something nice to someone. You can say, oh, I love. You would be surprised if you go to an art exposition and the artist is there. there's not many people who go to the artist and say I love this piece of art and say something specific maybe you can change that person's like how he or she will behave later maybe she or he was in a rough place deciding maybe I should quit and your kindness maybe shifts a little bit okay I'm going to do this or you tell a friend what that is feeling down, like you should continue with this because I think you are becoming better and better.

33:29And maybe your friend just needed to hear that. There is nothing complex. As the recording was saying, what people need sometimes is just something very simple. Kind words can help everyone. Hector, we've got one final clip for you. And this comes from an entrepreneur who joined us on the podcast called Susie Ma. And she talks about the concept of infinite purpose. Have a listen to this. We have something that I call an infinite purpose. And this is actually inspired by Simon Sinek. I had the pleasure of going on a challenge with him about four years back. And he spoke about having a purpose in life.

34:12And a purpose is very different to a passion because you can be passionate about so many things, but a purpose is what guides your passions and is what guides all the decisions that you make. And he spoke about an infinite one, which is something that isn't achievable because it carries on. And on the back of that conversation with Simon, I came back and I decided to create an infinite purpose for everything that I do in life. And that is to help create a healthier, greener, and more empowered world. and the healthier greener and more empowered means that it's infinite you know you can't there's always there's always more greener more healthier so there you go hector the power of not just finding your purpose but finding your infinite purpose and i think that is a it's a nice way to end this conversation because i think it leaves the concept ringing in the ears of our listeners that this isn't a short-term thing if you can find something that grows with you adapts with you, changes with you throughout life, then I think you found something that can be really special.

35:15Yes, you can visualize it also like a threat that is putting together all your life together. That's your kind of like your purpose that is connecting everything. You put the threats together once they have happened. And then you will say, oh, this happened and this and this, and that's why all these things came together and this happened. And for Steve Jobs, it was when he was talking about Apple and how all the elements in his life, if they would have been different, Apple would have never existed. And for you, probably, if you haven't had your career in TV and you haven't had this thought about interviewing people, maybe those elements were all necessary for us to be together today and talking you can also think about the future threats like your whole life is going to start from today now that you're listening this conversation is going to have threats to the future what i love about your mindset hector is that like you have a real trust that things are going to be okay it's almost like you're giving us a message that if you can think clearly about your ikigai, if you can work hard on the people who are around you, if you can list the things that drain your energy and move you to a negative place, then that's all you need to do.

36:40Because once you've done that, allow your behaviors and allow your mindset to kind of just take you wherever it goes. And that's exactly, as you say, the reason why we're all sitting here today, you didn't plan to be sitting here five, six, seven years ago yet by making those what seem like small decisions now they move you into a completely different place in 5 10 15 20 years you next if you ever come to tokyo let me know let's have a tea together we can connect the threads that would be fantastic finally hector what's your one golden rule to for our listeners to live a high performance life maybe here I have to say create your ikigai or find your ikigai and if you don't know what your ikigai is then your ikigai should be to find your ikigai so that's so now everyone everyone who is listening has an ikigai suddenly no no one is left alone what a lovely way to finish um a really fantastic and brilliantly insightful conversation thank you so much for giving up your time to come and speak to us um and uh i hope that you know to steal that famous line again i hope people listening to this do just do it because you are you know the living embodiment of someone who can change their life by focusing on their record guy so thank you so much thank you

38:14Damien Jake I love his energy I love his philosophy I love his mindset but most of all I love how he's able to share the thoughts that I know so many people listening to the podcast will benefit from you know that felt to me like an episode with bags of takeaways for people to as long as they like like as long as they bother to do it you know what I mean like we can have this conversation he can share all of his thoughts but if you don't make the real action and I think he was quite keen to point that out as well if you don't take the genuine action to make something out of it then it will be worthless yeah I think what I was really looking forward to is that we've often spoke when it was Dr.

38:56Rangan that first introduced us to this idea of icky guy and we've heard it and we've referenced it ourselves lots of times but it that's all it is it's just an idea it's like having money in the bank unless you invest in it it doesn't do anything and I think you're absolutely right that those four questions are worth going back to time and time again you know and even like you came up with that brilliant distinction that I really love because the one question that sort of jars a bit is how do I make money out of it whereas when you say how do I generate money it's not a selfish task and I think just asking those questions starts to elicit it your kind of distinction that then allows us to start asking some big questions about what where we are what we're doing and how we're heading in the direction that makes us happy Damien I think you're totally right I think you're absolutely right I also like the fact that do you remember when he spoke about your old ikigai and like letting it go I think that's something I hadn't really considered is that at 21 you can go yep found my ikigai well it might be different at 41 it might even be different at 22 like you can't hold on to old ideas because things that thrilled you and fulfilled you 20 years ago just won't cut it anymore because if they do then you haven't grown and if you haven't grown then you haven't developed yeah it reminded me of i remember in an interview years ago with noel gallagher where they were asking him about have you changed and he went of course i've changed like i'm i'm not the same guy that grew up in burnage in manchester to the guy that I am now.

40:31Because that's a sign that I've lived life, but I've reflected and sort of tried to adapt along the way. And I think sometimes we can see people sort of trying to hold on to their youth or trying to pursue activities that maybe was great for the new 20s, but when you hit your 40s, it starts to look a little bit ridiculous. And I'd never considered that either until Hector shared with us the idea of, you know, this is an evolving process. there's only that one percent that know what they're going to do at the age of five and go and pursue it the rest of us are on a journey of discovery and that i think the four questions a really powerful way of being able to frame the journey that we're on you know what you you are right again as you as you tend to be i think that we need to reframe that thinking of you know when you go oh they've changed oh she's changed she has or he's he's not like he used to be yeah let's not disparage people and go oh you've changed let's be like oh my goodness amazing you've changed please tell me how please tell me where you've grown like this is a positive that we should be embracing when someone changes it's a good thing yeah definitely especially when they're when they're doing it by asking the bigger questions of life that you know and asking all the time that you know what do I love doing what brings me joy what am I good at so we're playing to our strengths and then what am I doing that makes a difference to the wider world whether that's our family or our community or the people around us answering those questions can never be a bad thing i loved it thanks so much mate thanks mate i really hope that you enjoyed that conversation with hector i think there is so much to take away from so quick get a piece of paper draw your four circles do it right now and just write down what are you good at what do you love what does the world need and what can you use to generate some income so you can put your time and your energy into those things that you love.

42:22I think it's really powerful. And by the way, remember what Hector said, your ikigai changes over time. So it's not just write it down once and leave it. I try once a month just to think like, what is my current ikigai? What is the thing I want to do? And it can be big, huge global things, or it could just be small stuff that you want to do that day or that week. But I really hope that you found value in that. And let me just repeat, please, if you can just share these episodes, if you think there's someone in your life that's just missing something, and this might help unlock it, Just ping them this episode of High Performance.

42:53It helps to grow us and it helps to spread the word. And if we get bigger, then we can invite the most incredible people on the planet to come and be your teachers. So thank you so much for listening. Remember, there is no secret. It is all there for you. Chase those world-class basics. Don't get high on your own supply. Remain humble, curious and empathetic. And we'll see you soon.

43:20Thank you.