


25 Feb 2026 · 20m · 9 chapters

In this episode, Jake and Damian delve into the concept of "micro habits" by sharing insights from two standout athletes: Formula One driver Lando Norris and Olympic swimmer Adam Peaty. They explore how small, almost invisible behaviors can lead to significant transformations in performance and mindset.
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Learn how small, consistent behaviors lead to significant life changes.
“decisions that take less than five minutes but that when they compound over time completely transform what a person is capable of.”
Explore Lando Norris's early experiences and commitment to his work.
“When we sat down with Lando Norris, the lead driver for Formula One team McLaren, we thought we would want to talk about his recent success in the driver's seat that he's occupied since the age of 19.”
Delve into the three types of work orientations and their impacts.
“were, on some level, the same as the things that were motivating him today.”
Discover how reframing your job can create a sense of purpose.
“He was working because he had a deep, unwavering passion for what he was doing.”
Listen to Adam Peaty's challenges and the mindset shift he experienced.
“He once described himself as possessing a gladiator mindset.”
Discover Adam Peaty's reflections on his Olympic experiences and the lessons learned.
“in which he amassed an astonishing 23 Olympic gold medals, had a succinct response.”
Learn about the effectiveness of commitment contracts and their components.
“A lot of people do see, especially at Olympic Games, the 1 % of what it takes, or 0.1 % in the light.”
Understand the significance of micro habits in achieving long-term success.
“So there you go, two chapters from our audiobook Don't get a job, create a call then and the Odysseus contract.”
Explore important questions to ask yourself for personal and professional growth.
“It might be the business you're trying to build, the relationship you're looking to invest in or the version of yourself that you're trying to become.”

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0:02Jake Humphrey: Hey, it's Damian here. I want to bring you another little exclusive today. Over the last six years on this podcast, Jake and I have sat across from some of the most remarkable human beings on the planet. Olympic champions, elite coaches, successful business leaders and so many more. The question we always ask ourselves after we've done the interview is this, what is it that the very best actually do differently and consistently? the answer it turns out is much smaller than you might think it's not in the grand gestures it's not in five hour morning routines or in some magic formula that requires a complete reinvention of your life the answer more often than not comes down to tiny almost invisible behaviors those decisions that take less than five minutes but that when they compound over time completely transform what a person is capable of.
0:57Jake Humphrey: We've started calling them micro habits and today we're going to give you something a little bit different. Jake and I have spent the last year writing our new book micro habits. These are five minute changes that actually transform your life and it's out right now. In it we've distilled 48 of the most powerful lessons from this show into something that you can actually pick up and use immediately. Today, we want to let the book speak for itself. So what you're about to hear are two of our favourite chapters from the Micro Habits audiobook read by Jake and me that bring to life stories from two phenomenal guests who've been among the most memorable of all the people we've spoken to here on High Performance.
1:42Jake Humphrey: The first one is Lando Norris, the current Formula One world champion and someone with a relationship to his work that I think will genuinely reframe how you think about yours. The second one is Olympic champion Adam Peaty, a man who's faced the kind of darkness that most of us will hopefully never have to experience, but who found a way through it with the help of an ancient Greek myth and the honest advice of Michael Phelps. These chapters are all about motivation and commitment, about what it really takes to get yourself to show up day after day, especially when there's a part of you that's screaming that you don't really want to.
2:21So can I suggest that you find a quiet 15 minutes somewhere?
2:26Jake Humphrey: Press play and let's go.
2:30Adam Peaty: When we sat down with Lando Norris, the lead driver for Formula One team McLaren, we thought we would want to talk about his recent success in the driver's seat that he's occupied since the age of 19. He was on the cusp of helping McLaren win their first Constructors' Championship since 1998, whilst also finishing as a runner-up in the Drivers' Championship. But nothing seemed further from his mind. Instead, he embarked upon an intriguing series of reminiscences about his early days in the sport when he first joined the team. When he started out, he'd spent countless hours working in the garages, helping the team pack, prepare and assemble the caravan of materials needed to get the fastest possible car on the track.
3:10Adam Peaty: As he explained to us.
3:12Damian Hughes: Before I was the driver, race driver for McLaren, then I would stay with the mechanics. I would pack up the garage and take the car apart after the races and stuff.
3:20Adam Peaty: At first, we were slightly taken aback. Why did a man who was at the top of Formula One want to spend all this time dwelling on his past? But eventually we came to understand. He was showing us that the things that motivated him when he started out were, on some level, the same as the things that were motivating him today. As he explained further,
3:41Damian Hughes: there's no downside from doing it there's no negative like what else you're gonna do you're gonna go home and play on the xbox in the hotel for a bit or just go and grab dinner a couple hours earlier like it doesn't for me that's not like there's no gain for me in doing that why
3:55Adam Peaty: because he truly genuinely enjoyed his work in the garages it transcended just being a job to
4:01Damian Hughes: become something dramatically more important there was enjoyment in it and um uh there's the bonus of working with the team more you know and our relationships improving and so on and knowing that I'm I didn't know at the time but I guess more likely to be in the racing seat a couple years later it's only going to be a good thing for me that we have that relationship and bond together.
4:22Adam Peaty: Many of the high performers we've spoken to exhibit this kind of monomaniacal commitment to their job their thinking can be understood when we view it through the lens of research led by Dr Amy Reznewski a professor at Yale School of Management who spent much of her career researching how individuals think about their work and how this affects performance. She's found that people tend to have one of three work orientations or ways in which they think about their work. She summarises it as either a job, a career or a calling. A job provides you with pay, benefits and perhaps a few social perks, but it's essentially about the monthly pay packet that lands in your bank account.
5:00Adam Peaty: People in this category tend to value their lives outside of the office more than their lives inside. Work is how they pay for the things they actually love, be it their friendships, hobbies or family life. People who view their job as a career work not only out of necessity, but also to advance and succeed. They tend to be more driven to seek out opportunities, strive for the next promotion, embrace training and development. People with a career orientation tend to prioritise their long-term professional future, using goals and healthy competition at work to get ahead. Finally, those who experience their work as a calling tend to view work as an end in itself.
5:38Adam Peaty: They feel a deep emotional connection to their work, believing it contributes to the greater good, allows them to use their strengths and gives a sense of purpose to their lives. Unsurprisingly, people with a calling orientation not only find work more rewarding, but they tend to work harder and longer because of their commitment to it, and in turn, get better results.
5:59Jake Humphrey: Lando Norris, it seemed to us, exhibited all the hallmarks of the third approach. He wasn't just working for the sake of working. He was working because he had a deep, unwavering passion for what he was doing. Now you might be thinking, oh, good for Lando. But not everyone can have that kind of relationship with their work. If your job is cleaning toilets, then you might struggle to find a deep, unwavering passion. But what if, in fact, you can? Reznewski's findings suggest that it doesn't really matter what job you have because a calling orientation is as much to do with your mindset as the actual work you do The trick lies in what organisational psychologists call job crafting which essentially requires you to adjust the way you think about work and reframing what you were doing so it aligns more closely with the sense of what matters to you In her most famous example, Reznewski describes a cleaner at a hospital who defined her role not as cleaning up other people's mess or scrubbing floors, but as being a healer, who maintained the standards in the hospital and so, in turn, contributed to the recovery of everyone inside.
7:12Jake Humphrey: Defining her role as a healer meant she paid additional attention to the tasks that might help people recover and leave the hospital more quickly, Revzneski wrote. She also formed relationships with patients and their families, getting to know them as people, not just temporary patients. By reframing what her work actually was, the cleaner was able to find dramatically more value in doing it. This is quite similar to the way Lando Norris described his gruelling work in the garage. He was not just fixing the odd bit of metal, he told us. Instead, he got to know the values of people and how much of a difference that can make.
7:51Jake Humphrey: Even the tasks that felt most menial were making a difference to making the car go faster. Lando's experience shows the value that job crafting can have for any of us. Think about the tasks you have to do and consider how you could rewrite them in a way that would appeal to someone who is applying for the job. What additional meaning could you find in the tasks before you, if you framed them in the right terms? And what could it teach you about motivating yourself? The overall lesson? Don't get a job Create a calling
8:25Adam Peaty: The first time we met Adam Peaty He had his bags packed and his ticket ready To head to the Tokyo Olympic Games And he confidently described to us How he planned to dominate his rivals And bring gold medals back to his Derbyshire home Weeks later That's exactly what he did This series of events was entirely consistent With his whole career Indeed everything about Peaty's record seemed perfect With a knack for hoovering up swimming world records and gold medals with metronomic efficiency. He once described himself as possessing a gladiator mindset. And yet, just a year after our conversation, everything had changed.
9:01Lando Norris: It was 14 months from that interview that I had a breakdown, basically. Here's what he told us in his second appearance on High Performance. You know, this sport of swimming, any sport, is incredibly hard. Life's incredibly hard, right?
9:16Adam Peaty: His troubles began when he started recording strangely pedestrian times in training. Then, as he began his preparation to become the first person to win the men's 100-metre breaststroke title in three Olympic Games in a row during the summer of 2024, everything went off the rails.
9:34Lando Norris: You know, I got to a place after coming off a training camp for 10 weeks, missing my son, missing home, and I kept getting ill. So my body kept telling me, you know, you don't want to do this. You can't do this. And I went to Edinburgh to race and my times were about ridiculous, like ridiculously slow to what they normally would. And three days later after that, I was already contemplating, I don't want to do this anymore, but we got to keep going. I had that thought a lot of times. And I got back home three days later and I did 400 meters warm up, as I always do, 25 meters breaststroke. And I did the breaststroke and I just felt weak.
10:11Lando Norris: I just felt tired, I felt broken. And I finished, I touched the wall, and my goggles were filled with tears.
10:18Adam Peaty: Mel Marshall, his loyal coach and mentor, was waiting by the poolside, and she asked him if he was okay. This is how Adam replied. I was like, no. And that's the first time I've ever said no. Petey described the feelings of desolation
10:31Lando Norris: that threatened to engulf him as he stood in the shower. So I got into the shower, just crying, Mel was there, and I said to myself, I don't want to do this anymore.
10:40Adam Peaty: He agreed to step away from the relentless demands of swimming for a week, which was soon extended to a second week, then a third. During this period, he began to question if Paris was even on the agenda. The solution to Adam's problem came from an unlikely source.
10:56Jake Humphrey: Homer's Odyssey. In Homer's ancient story, the hero Odysseus encounters the sirens, mythical creatures with beautiful voices who lure sailors to their deaths by singing and chanting songs. To avoid this fate, Odysseus had his crew plug their ears with beeswax and tied himself to the ship's mast allowing him to hear the sirens sung while being prevented from steering towards them thus successfully passing the island and escaping their deadly charm An Odysseus contract fulfils a similar function It draws on this story's acknowledgement that we're all weak and human and often, when faced with temptation, likely to fall If we create a constraint, the equivalent of tying ourselves to the mast, and find a way to ensure it can't later be overruled, even if we're faced with temptation or are of unsound mind, it can help us achieve our objectives without the risk of distraction.
11:54Jake Humphrey: Mel Marshall suggested that Petey try this for himself. When he felt ready, Petey was invited to a meeting with the head coach of Aquatics GB, where this contract idea was presented to him in the form of three simple questions
12:10Lando Norris: What is the cost? And do you want to pay the cost? Do you want to pay the price?
12:16Jake Humphrey: Knowing the price was the important question
12:19Lando Norris: You will have a receipt. When you stand up at the Olympic Games, in lane 4 hopefully, you will have to show your receipt of hard work Because if you don't, that mindset will play tricks on you that you don't deserve to be there. You haven't done the work. Like the sirens calling Odysseus, Petey knew he had to prepare by answering the questions.
12:38Jake Humphrey: He said, it comes back to, do I want to do it and am I willing to pay the price? What, we wondered, was the cost.
12:47Lando Norris: Everyone throws around the word sacrifice. I don't believe it is a sacrifice because it's my choice to be there.
12:53Jake Humphrey: He then offered an itemised account of what the contract demanded from him Should he choose to accept the deal
12:59Lando Norris: So we're probably covering 10 ,000 to 12 ,000 metres Always about 10 ,000 to 12 ,000 metres a day Plus all the gym work But that doesn't bother me It's the time I lose doing that and the energy I lose Because you will be broken physically and mentally That you can't even operate, you can't even get up in the morning And get to work with a stable mind Because all these things are at play So you've got that on the table. You've got the time away from your family, time away from their son, that I see him grow without even being there, which I feel guilt. The constant effort of human excellence is a high price.
13:34Lando Norris: He summarised, To constantly find a pathway to human excellence, you know, is probably one of the hardest things ever to do.
13:42Jake Humphrey: Before he finally committed, he chose to call upon the counsel of one of the greatest swimmers of all time.
13:48Lando Norris: I spoke to Michael Phelps for about 20-30 minutes, I just saw him. And he goes, you've retired two times, and what did it take to bring you back?
13:58Jake Humphrey: Phelps, who had twice retired from the sport, in which he amassed an astonishing 23 Olympic gold medals, had a succinct response.
14:07Lando Norris: Basically, forget all the bullshit. What does your heart tell you?
14:11Jake Humphrey: Eventually, Petey was able to find his answer.
14:15Lando Norris: I knew that the pain of regret would be greater than the pain of loss So it was never about medals this time It was about the opportunity and not regretting the opportunity
14:23Jake Humphrey: The strategy worked On a balmy Parisian night An emotional peaty was denied his historic treble By the narrowest of margins Coming joint second to Italy's Niccolò Martinenghi By only 0.02 of a second Less time than the blink of an eye But he gave a tearful poolside interview Where he offered millions of television viewers A small glimpse into the torments He'd overcome to be there It's been a very long way back I gave my absolute all out there He said I executed it as well as I could It's not about the end goal It's about the process And it doesn't matter what the time says on the score Because in my heart I've already won I'm not crying because I've come second Petey said and crying because it took so much to get here.
15:14Jake Humphrey: When he looked back at this raw footage, he was unequivocal.
15:18Lando Norris: I gave my absolute best in that environment. Obviously some cards were dealt with me that, you know, I had COVID at the time when I was racing, my lungs literally couldn't work. And I touched the wall and I think it was my most favourite race because what it took to get to that moment. He smiled as he recalled. My son was in the crowd, my fiancé Holly and my mum and all the people I care about. It's just incredible that sport can give you so much in success, but also so many failures and so many moments of testing yourself. So yeah, Paris was a very good one in terms of what I expected out of myself.
15:54Jake Humphrey: And while we may not be planning to compete at an Olympic Games, the method of using a commitment contract is a powerful tool for anyone. It seems there are three component parts to designing your own. A clear goal, a referee to hold you to account and a suitable incentive as a reward In one analysis of over 125 ,000 commitment contracts It was found that those who wrote one but failed to appoint a referee That is, someone to hold them to account Or didn't set themselves a financial penalty Succeeded only 29 % of the time This rate sharply rose to 59 % when a referee was used and to 71.5 % when there was money at stake.
16:39Jake Humphrey: Best of all, when a commitment contract included both a referee and financial stakes, the success rate increased to nearly 80%. Petey would recognise the effectiveness of this approach and the ensuing positive results.
16:55Lando Norris: A lot of people do see, especially at Olympic Games, the 1 % of what it takes, or 0.1 % in the light. They don't see the 99.9 % in the dark. and those are the dark moments that are going to make or break you and I think everyone in life has those moments whether you're a seven year old kid wanting to go to the Olympics or a 40 year old picking up sport again or having troubles in their career you have to go through those moments to really define who you are what values are you setting yourself but also where do you want to be next week or where do you want to be in two years time
17:28Jake Humphrey: So there you go, two chapters from our audiobook Don't get a job, create a call then and the Odysseus contract. These are micro habits that I genuinely think about more than almost anything else we've covered on the show. Neither of those moments are dramatic. What they are is quiet, private and almost invisible. And yet they're the moments that made almost everything else possible. That's what micro habits is really about. It's not the headline grabbing moment, but the small deliberate choices that precede them. so here's a micro habit i'd like to leave you with from these two chapters once a week just once find some time to sit down and ask yourself the three questions that adam peaty's coach put to him what's the cost am i willing to pay it and if i don't what will i regret now you don't have to be chasing a sport on an olympic podium for those questions to matter but they work at every level.
18:27Jake Humphrey: It might be the business you're trying to build, the relationship you're looking to invest in or the version of yourself that you're trying to become. Now if these chapters that you've heard today resonated with you, I genuinely believe that the book will be one of the most useful things you can pick up this year. Jake and I have pulled everything we've learned from five years and 400 interviews into these 48 short chapters. each one is validated by science and designed to give you something that you can act on today as always i want to say thank you to you for being part of our high performance community it really does matter keep working on those habits the small ones because what we've discovered is that your dreams don't determine where you go your habits do i look forward to seeing you next week
19:20Thank you.
What does a Formula One World Champion packing up a garage have in common with an Olympic swimmer crying into his goggles at the end of a training session? More than you might think.
In this exclusive preview, Jake and Damian read two of their favourite chapters from the Micro Habits audiobook, distilling some of the most powerful lessons from six years and 400+ conversations with the world's highest performers.
First, Lando Norris reveals the mindset shift that separates people who merely have a job from those who have found a calling, and the surprisingly simple reframe that can unlock it for anyone, whatever they do for a living.
Then, Adam Peaty opens up about the breakdown that almost ended his Olympic dream, the ancient Greek myth that helped him find his way back, and the brutally honest advice Michael Phelps gave him in a 20-minute conversation that changed everything.
These aren't dramatic, headline-grabbing moments. They're quiet, private, and almost invisible — and they're exactly the kind of micro habits that make everything else possible.
Micro-Habits: Tiny Changes That Supercharge High Performance is available now.
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