Professor Green on Childhood Struggles, ADHD & Finding Community at Youth Zones (E421)

0:00Before we get into today's episode, a massive thank you to Apple Podcasts for including High Performance in their 2026 Creators We Love campaign. If you've just found the show, welcome, nice to have you with us. Head to Apple Podcasts to see mine and Damien's favourite episodes from the last six years of High Performance. I was shocked to just see the facilities here, they're incredible. Especially at a time when, forgive me if this is the wrong number, but you know, there's been, I think it's a 70 % closure of youth clubs. That was where I found kind of my home and my belonging. I guess it was the same for a lot of us.

0:34We didn't really fit in elsewhere. I couldn't get to school. I just couldn't, you know, rage. There was no language which could help that process and it would be traumatic all the way up until I got to school and then I struggled a lot. What were you looking for, do you think? Probably community, a space of belonging. I never really felt like I fitted in very well anywhere else. Thank you for asking me something I've never been asked. that is the voice of steven manderson or as you might know him professor green so steve grew up in hackney and what he just described that absence that feeling of nowhere to go and nobody quite seeing you well that is the reality for hundreds of thousands of young people in this country right now and today i'm really proud to say that we're bringing you this episode in partnership with the players of the postcode lottery because we went to visit a place called future the onside youth Zone in Barking and Dagenham, one of 19 youth zones across the UK, supporting 60 ,000 young people built specifically for the places that need it most.

1:33And we went to future to find out what these places actually do, but also why they matter more than ever. I want you to hear Steve's story because once you know where he came from, the conversation that follows with Jamie, the man who runs the youth zone with some incredible teenagers, Olivia and Lily. And can I just say, I've thought about those two a lot since we recorded. this episode. You're going to hear from them and they live this reality every single day. So why is this episode important to you? It's important to you because this might not be something that you require in your life, but it's absolutely something that so many young people across the UK need.

2:09They need to be seen, they need to be heard, they need to matter. And thanks to the players of the postcode lottery, there are places that make them feel exactly like that. So to start with, let's go meet Stephen.

2:25Stephen. Hello mate, what's happening? You alright? Nice to see you man. You good? Yeah. So, look at this place. I mean, when someone said we're coming to speak to each other at a youth club, I didn't have this in mind. I mean, this is insane. No, the youth club that I grew up spending most of my time in was nothing like this facility. When you first were using a youth club as a kid, what was it? What can you remember of that building? It was right next to the swing park in my estate it was plastic chairs um there were games to play at a point i think we even had a computer in there no way the first playstation or something climbing wall there was no climbing wall but you know we used to do activities we'd play football there'd be trips sometimes to roller city um which was a skating rink yeah in edmonton but yeah nothing nothing like this i was shocked to just see the facilities here.

3:17They're incredible. Especially at a time when, forgive me if this is the wrong number, but, you know, there's been, I think it's a 70 % closure of youth clubs. Of all youth clubs have disappeared, as have the staff. And then the remaining staff, how the kids access them if there are no youth centres where they're familiar with them working. And so it's incredible to see something like this one, which undoubtedly is going to literally change the outcomes of kids. And it's encouraging physical activity. All of the conversation around how poor kids mental health is these days people obviously suffered when we were kids but not in the way that kids are today not not to the extent that kids do today and i think a lot of that comes down to the lack of physical activity you know you move you feel better i know you know it's hard for me to say there's been times when i've said i'm depressed but i'm not doing the things which make me feel good so i think unless you're moving well eating well and sleeping well you it's wrong to say you're necessarily depressed you know what i mean and this offers a lot of opportunity for kids to come and move.

4:13Stephen I want to go back to the the day that you would have walked into those youth clubs as a kid what were you looking for do you think? Unknowingly probably community a space of belonging um I never really felt like I fitted in very well anywhere else it's kind of weird thinking back you know like even to just some of the trips that we went on I mentioned when we spoke downstairs about going to Roller City but like skating was a subculture that I you know I found my way to that was where I found kind of my home and my belonging which was for I guess I guess it was the same for a lot of us we didn't really fit in elsewhere but the youth club was was also home for that and it was a place where areas weren't as segregated as they can be now and I think the great thing about youth clubs is if you especially and team sports if you forge relationships between people that live on this estate and that state irrespective of them being from either side of the lines those relationships are more likely to continue yeah and they remove those lines as opposed to kids you know staying there and staying there neither crossing over um and not forging those relationships i think there's so much positive and good that comes from from these spaces and what was going on outside of that space in your home life that that was challenging for at that time um a lot life was quite challenging for me anyway because there was undiagnosed and therefore unmanaged uh autism and adhd and how was that showing itself every day um i couldn't get to school i just couldn't you know rage when you know told to or asked to or encouraged to there was no language which could could help that process and it would be traumatic all the way up until I got to school and then I struggled a lot I just couldn't get my uniform on there was there was a lot that was really really difficult and then my dad was in and out of my life which was hard my mum was there more consistently but I wasn't raised by either I was raised by my great-grandmother pretty much until I was 13 and my nan and my uncle mark that undiagnosed ADHD and autism that you spoke about um that must have been really I just think really lonely because you probably didn't even know what was going on you couldn't even explain why you were unable to go to school or no put a uniform on no and because i had an operation when i was six weeks old on my digestive tract when i say i've got this you know tummy ache or bellyache it was okay well off to the doctors which wasn't great because i think that fed later on into i was diagnosed with everything apart from what was actually at the crux of it a generalized anxiety disorder OCD, depression when I was, you know, in my 20s.

6:56But as a young kid, OCD and anxiety, I had a psychiatrist that I saw. No one suggested or even looked at these other things, which are probably at the crux of it all. Look, from what I've seen of you and a couple of times that we've met, you're obviously kind, intelligent, smart, empathetic, understanding a lot of that comes through in your music as well. So I wonder, aside from those moments that were traumatic, How, like, were you aware of the kind of the challenges you were creating for other people and how that made you feel and whether that then impacted how you behaved because you kind of felt bad for what you'd unknowingly and unwittingly done?

7:34Thank you for asking me something I've never been asked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was. there was a guilt that came with a lot of the behavior and especially with the sense of relief that come after my nan would have had to have left for work and therefore I wouldn't be going to school there would be a sense of relief but then there would be a feeling of guilt because I haven't got the tummy ache that I told my nan I had but that was the anxiety dissipating because the stress was then removed because I didn't have to worry about putting my uniform on to go to school or you know all my ideas of what it would be like when I got there and so yeah because that would make room for the anxiety would make way for guilt but then there was so much that was good yeah i have to say that it's so important because there was so much fun there was so much love and care and and nourishment in my house my great-grandmother lived through two world wars and i never got to ask her the questions that i wish i could have around them but i remember like some of the earliest memories i have of walks with her before she became housebound when you know she would tell me where you know there's an estate there because it was bombed you know and just that she was just this wealth of information that i never quite ever got to because she passed away when i was 13.

8:48but to have you know it's like right parents who become grandparents are generally softer with their grandkids than they were with their kids so you can imagine my great grandmother i had the softest most loving and protective person that if i didn't have i i hate to think about what life would have been like. And I think one of the big mistakes that people make when they look from the outside at the life you lived or the life of young people who come to this youth club, you know, we're here in Dagenham, right? And there will be huge deprivation all around this place. People forget that just because there's deprivation it doesn't mean there's no love.

9:22In fact, often, that's the only thing people can offer their kids. Because they can't offer them beautiful holidays or delicious meals or restaurants or new shoes. They can just offer them comfort. you know what since having a kid i realized how insignificant all of that stuff is as far as creating core memories for my son because he cares about whether or not i have the time to stop and look at the spider that he's seen as we walk by like we did last night on our way home from a walk we went on and it's the simple things it's it's it's really easy to especially in today's day and age and i can only imagine because i'm not a kid i know what it was like to be young but i I never had access to all the things that other people have.

10:03So I can only imagine what it's like for kids nowadays to feel like they're without, because I think disparity is so visible. Yeah. But it's the simple things that really enrich life. And it was, I couldn't tell you about any of the toys I had as a kid, but I can tell you about my nan's blue blanket. And that's really hard to explain to a kid who hasn't lived through enough life to understand that and be on the other side of it and look back. but I do wonder how much damage is done by way of parents being distracted now. Huge amounts, I'm sure. You know, as we know there's a mental health crisis among young people in this country and there'll be a number of reasons for that and I guess one of them will be the fact that there's, it's not easy being a parent either in this day and age.

10:46There's a lot of distractions for parents that there weren't 30, 40 years ago. I can't imagine what it would have been like to have gone and run into my great nan and her just looked at her phone. I think one thing that is interesting when you talk about things that you had or didn't have, you come to an incredible youth centre like this, and there's skate ramps, and there's a five-side football pitch, and a climbing wall, and a sports hall, and we're in here talking in a music room. I mean, we have to give props to the gym in this building, by the way. Absolutely. That's one of the best gyms I've ever been in.

11:14But I still don't think that this building is about those things. I think this building is about the people who are in it, not the things that are in it. No, absolutely. but it's the opportunity for the people who frequent it, right? Like who come here. There's so much more opportunity given that they have these things here and they're accessible. I look at it and just think how much better would it be if schools looked more like this versus lines of chairs? And to some people they're like, oh, they're so bought into the archetypal idea of what education must be that that sounds like chaos. How would it work?

11:49I guarantee you they get more work done out of kids. I think there's probably diagnosis where it needn't even be made if we could only improve things like schools. Because you look at kids growing up in working class environments, they are the most dysregulating environments. There's stress, financial stress, every kind of stress, which immediately is dysregulating. You know, a lot of people present as ADHD for reasons that are, you know, poor diets, too much screen time, stress in the household. and I think it's sad that we're not doing more as a country to more that's speculative I just can't fathom it right even from an entirely selfish point of view if you want to afford more people to the labor force then you've got to improve outcomes so why wouldn't you be more speculative and take a punt on the things that won't make immediate change but over time will make really substantial difference I do think it's harder than ever to say how you genuinely feel or to have a strong opinion about things because of the modern world where offense is taken or it causes big problems.

12:55I had a chat with someone the other day and they said something really interesting to me. They said, your problem is you don't actually talk to people. All you do is exchange information with people. I had never really thought about it. I said, what do you mean? He said, well, look at your sort of core friendship groups. They're always around your work or around your business or around the things that you're doing. You're just sharing information with people. you're not actually sharing feelings and things. And I wonder whether we're moving into this era with young people where it's going to be harder than ever to actually talk, to actually converse, to share our feelings.

13:27Which is weird when everyone's got a place to say everything and everyone presumes an opinion is valid, or even that an opinion is an opinion and not just an idea because it's never challenged. I've got this theory that an opinion isn't an opinion until it's challenged, it's just an idea. It's really dangerous that people just walk around thinking that what they say is true. you know one of the most mind-blowing moments for me in therapy was just and it was really early on it's like therapy 101 not everything you think is true what oh so that voice in my head everything that i've bought into and lived out a million times over because of negative cyclical and intrusive thought i didn't need to you know i mean but then people think that something someone else thinks that has been handed to them either on the front page of a paper or a piece of content that they've taken as, you know, true.

14:16That's now their truth or opinion. They've just taken that on and they shout it and they won't accept challenge because that makes them feel uncomfortable, their feelings. That discomfort is in them. And there's just no, it's like where is the constructive conversation apart from here? I don't think there's anything wrong with exchanging information, but I think if you want people to discuss how they feel, then you've got to teach them how to name what they feel, how to exist, how to sit with their feelings without acting them out. I spent 40 years walking around acting out everything that I felt.

14:46I said when I got to the end of making the program about, I was looking at why my dad might have taken his own life, suiciding me. I said the difference between a man that will and won't take their own life is the ability to tolerate how they feel at any given time. And then I left it. It was cerebral. I could say it. I thought it. But it wasn't integrated. I then continued to act out everything that I felt, give or take. Being reactive. And then I had a kid. and he was having what most people would call a tantrum, ultimately a hard time. If I am triggered or if I react in a way that shows him that I can't tolerate what he feels, then I'm modeling the worst of behavior because what I'm teaching him in that moment is that what he feels isn't tolerable, not even to an adult.

15:31So when he gets older, he shouldn't expect to be able to tolerate feelings either. That thing I said 13, 14 years ago in that documentary, I've not done, I've not put into practice. I need to expedite this. I need to be able to sit with how I feel in order to reflect and respond versus react. And it was, you know, and there's still times I will react now, but I'm a lot better at it. And it's becoming subconscious. I don't have to, it has to be this conscious effort first, right? But I'm learning to not, you know, my natural response to things is not to react. It's to sit and go, okay, I don't like that feeling.

16:03What do I like about it? Where does it come from? What is it? You know, what's it owing to? And it's been the most incredible life lesson ever. and I hope it's incredible beyond just my own selfish improvements and that it aids his development and that it aids the relationships that I have and other people that either hear me talk about it or experience me differently because I'm not reactive. I just think you're really brave because I think that one of the biggest forms of bravery is allowing yourself to go to the places that you've gone, to sit with these thoughts, to question yourself, to challenge yourself.

16:37it's so much easier just to say i'll go to the pub with my mates have a few beers and just crack on at work tomorrow yeah and that's probably what 90 of people are doing yeah with all the work that you've done the therapy you've had the conversations you've had with yourself with other people what are the ghosts of that young kid that walked into that youth club that still rattle around in your adult body i realized this recently one of the only like real attachments that i have to that kid is that not in my stomach that I'm not that afraid of now because it doesn't need to have negative impact it's just it's just a feeling like all others and it is uncomfortable and but it you know I'm much better at going hello to it what does that do for you it just now I'm like oh hello what are you trying to tell me you know what's the kid in me worried about and that feels like a direct attachment to that little boy who very much needed someone like me in his life and then i look at my boy now there's a lot of mending going on and it's that's not the purpose of me having had a kid it's just a byproduct of it but there's a lot of mending going on because there's inevitable repair right because i'm parenting him in a way that i was never parented and i never can be bar what i can now do for myself and so there is still something selfish even in the act of me parenting him in the best way I can, which is still going to be full of mistakes.

18:05But I'm able to parent myself a little bit and be a bit kinder to myself. And when I get those knots in my stomach now, those pranks of anxiety, I wouldn't say I'm grateful for them, but there is something strangely like, I don't know, there's something weirdly, like I say, it connects. It's the only thing, the only feeling really that connects me to that kid that I was. And to be able to respond to it so differently now, it's an achievement Well look it's so nice to sit here at a youth centre at a place that was really helpful and instrumental in your life when you were a kid it helped you to see the world differently and I think all of us are very grateful there is a man like you that's been through the things that you've been through that can talk and share them in the way that you can Thank you Thanks Stephen Thank you Well after that powerful emotional conversation with Stephen and I hope you enjoyed that and got a lot from it I really wanted to understand what it actually takes to build and grow something like the Onside Youth Zones.

19:02So I sat down for a quick chat with the man running the whole operation, Onside's CEO, Jamie Massroff. Well, Jamie, you are the boss of this place and many other like it. That must be the privilege of a lifetime. Oh, it's absolutely amazing. I pinch myself when I come into any of our youth zones because you come in, it's just, you know, so positive. And in a world where I think we do so little for young people, to be in a space that's just purely focused on them and what they need. Yeah, it's amazing. So how many youth zones are there and how many young people in a year would pass through them?

19:35So we now have 19 open youth zones across the country and another four that are opening up in the next few years. So we reach 60 ,000 young people a year now. That's only going to rise as we grow. Now, your gym is amazing. You've got that lovely boxing ring in there. you've got the sports hall, the climbing wall, the kitchen, the pool tables. Let's just be really honest, this costs a lot of money, right? So how thankful are you to the players of the postcode lottery? So you're absolutely right. It does cost money. So you go in and you see that state-of-the-art gym, the climbing wall. We are investing in young people.

20:09Thanks to the postcode lottery players, what we're able to do is actually put money back into young people to give them this incredible range of activities that they can go and do. but also probably most importantly is that access to those trusted adult role models the youth workers who are there for young people week in week out. And you've got Lily and Olivia knocking around today I mean two lights in the room two incredibly energetic special young women and I know that these facilities are great but I also know the reason that their lives have been changed here is not because of the facilities.

20:41What is it that you think that you do for young people? So I think Onside has come across a really good model where there is an amazing facility. You know, it blows out of your mind anything you'd imagine a youth club to be. And that is really important because it gets young people to engage in real life. And we live in a world where, you know, we are just giving, instead of real life opportunities, mobile phones and saying, here's what your leisure time is now. So that physical space is vital to get young people out of their homes, out of their bedrooms, engaging in real life. But when they get here, so they can access over 20 activities a night, you know, ranging from recording their own music through to cooking their own meal, just a massive array of activities.

21:25And by having young people choosing to come somewhere, by having them doing something positive, that then creates that amazing environment for our youth workers then to speak to them, to develop a really strong, trusted relationship with them, to start to understand what's going on in a young person's life. you know many who are growing up in really challenging environments and that trust when you get that trust from a youth worker with a young person who probably feels no one else is there for them that's where the magic happens that's where with you know with olivia you know like the impact you can have on a young person when they trust and they're ready to engage and listen is profound and how many people did you say come through your centers every year 60 000 60 ,000 and growing.

22:12Which is amazing. And I love the fact that it's growing because I think that's the most important part. There are 60 ,000 that come through. There are hundreds of thousands that don't. And there is a huge opportunity still. And if you can continue to get the investment, if you can continue to get the support from groups like Postcode Lottery, there's no one that you can't reach, I think. So you're right. We're very proud. We've been going less than 20 years. We now have close to 20 youth zones who reach over 60 ,000 young people. but so many young people like around the country do not have access to to a center like this or even a local youth club or a youth worker so we are not even close to being done in terms of what we need to do like we on side we believe that all young people deserve the opportunities to positive activities access trusted youth workers in life so we are determined to carry on developing new youth zones across the country.

23:09We are determined that every youth zone that we have is going to do more for young people. And we want to make sure that society as a whole has a much clearer understanding of why youth work and youth clubs are not a nice to have. They're absolutely essential. And that only comes through the support of partners. We need funders to come and get behind what we do. so the long-term support enabled by the postcode lottery players adds oil to our engine to allow us to do the work that we need to do. Amazing. Well done. Thank you. So Jamie talked there, didn't he, about the staff who build trust with these young people day in, day out.

23:49Well, I wanted to hear from the people who actually know the building best. Two young women who practically run the place from what I could work out. Please meet Olivia and Lily. Hello. Hello. Can I come in? You may. Of course you can. I'm Jake. Olivia. Olivia, nice to meet you. Lily. Hi, Lily. So I hear that you two run this place, is that? Correct. Yeah. Is it correct? Yeah. How did you first end up being here? So I was here from when it first opened. I was driving past on the bus and I saw pretty colours. So I just decided to come in. And ever since, I feel like this is like my second home.

24:28I literally love everyone inside. Oh, nice. Staff and kids. Beautiful. Lily? Oh, I came here for not the best reasons. Like, just a lot of... I came here to argue, basically. Like, two years ago, and then ever since then, I just kind of dropped all the beef, and I just love it. So what was going on in your life that you wanted to come here and have a row? Like, I had a very bad childhood with my siblings. Like, stuff happened to them, and I wasn't really there to defend her. So ever since then, I'm so protective of my sister. And so she would get in arguments here, and I'd just come here. Is that right?

25:00Just tobacco, yeah. So you came in as the protector? Pretty much. So if you arrived as a protector, how would you describe yourself today? What are you today? I'm the opposite. Are you? Yeah. So have you guys thought about what you want to be when you're older? So yeah, we both said that obviously this place has had a really big impact on us. So we do want to work here, if that would be possible, as an apprenticeship. I also want to be head of year at a secondary school, just to give kids the opportunity to have things that I didn't get to have. and also I like chasing people with radio. I think that's really thrilling and exciting.

25:35You know, I think it's interesting that you left school or were thrown out of school and now want to return as the head of year. Yeah. What would you want to do as head of year that wasn't done for you? To literally just hear kids out. I never got heard out until I come here. So I would go to school in the mornings and have a really bad day and then come here and I'd get listened to. and it was just like sort of like a sense of relief. What about you Lily? What do you want to do? I really want to be the head of youth work here because obviously I want this place to like still be running but also like our head of youth work here, he makes such a big impact because obviously things wouldn't happen without him here and I just want to be able to do that but not by being in the office.

26:16Like I want to be out on session like actually speaking to the kids and seeing what their thoughts and opinions are on this place and what we can do to like change it and make it better because I think there's so many good aspects about this place and the young people are heard out so much here, but it's like, it's the little things that you could do just to make it that one step better. Yeah. See, I love the fact that you even, you're just ambitious for this place. Like you see that everything can be, and I think that is a secret to living a successful life is just waking up every day and both you and the things around you being a little bit better than yesterday.

26:49Like you can't change the whole world overnight. Yeah. But little changes every single day, they accumulate like you wouldn't believe. What would you say this building means to you? This building for me is like a second home. I come here every single day, basically. Like, when I feel like when I'm at home and I can't speak to anyone or I feel a bit sad or I'm just feeling a bit alone, I can come here and, like, just interact with staff who are, like, my parents, my sisters. They're all, like... It's like one big family and it's just, like, really comforting to know that people actually care about you and obviously all the activities I never get bored I'm never bored I'm either singing dancing or making the tea and it's just brilliant I love it I think for me I grew up without a father so I've come here and it's sort of like yeah again like it's one massive family yeah like and I think the staff are all very very patient with me and Olivia because they'll like people will do things and they'll be like like don't do that but then people see me and Olivia and they're like it's not their intention to to do these things.

27:54Because we don't intend to just run around crazy. We just, like, what else is there for us? We have to go in there and do things. Otherwise, because we need to be doing something because we're bored. So I think that's why this place is so great for us, because there's so many different things and different rooms to go in. And there's sort of always something for everyone. That's great. I think you two are great. I think you are the epitome of what happens when young people are misunderstood. or when people don't take the time to stop and actually ask a young person, what do you really feel? And then the young person gets frustrated and angry, so their behaviour changes, and then they get listened to less because their behaviour's changed, and the whole thing just snowballs in one direction.

28:35And then you need someone to stop and catch you, and that's exactly what this place has done. I was actually talking about this the other day with one of the staff. We really hate when young people are grouped in. So for Olivia, since she got kicked out of school, she's grouped in as naughty. As a naughty kid, I wear big lashes. But because I got kicked out of school, it's like I'm grouped in with naughty kids. And I'm not naughty. I'm just bored. And Lily, obviously, she removed herself from school, so she's looked at it as like, oh, you don't want to learn. And you don't want to do anything.

29:07It's not like that, because if you actually take the time to sit there and talk to someone, you could actually realise there's so much more than just, oh, you didn't want to do things. Yeah. I wanted to meet the person that has really helped these girls. Hi. Hi, I'm Jake. Nice to meet you, Stephanie. Nice to meet you, Stephanie. That's a lovely bit of artwork you've produced. Thank you. It wasn't me. I'm not going to take credit, but... I just wanted to very quickly talk to you about Lee and Olivia, who I just met upstairs. I mean, they're amazing. They are. What were they like when they first came?

29:41Characters. Yeah, okay. And they still are. When they first came, they were completely themselves. I think what stood out to me is how much they've grown over time. Naturally, in this borough, a lot of young people have a lot of things going on. So a lot of experiences, past and present. So I think with nurturing and guidance, they've really grown in confidence. Things they would have said no to before, they're, you know, taking the opportunities. And they've just grown. I'm like really, really, really proud of them. I think that you only spoke for a few minutes, but the big thing for me was just this sense of being not listened to and misunderstood.

30:13And I just wonder how many young people are actually slipping through the cracks in society at the moment, where if you don't conform to what we as adults decide conforming looks like, then you're going to be discarded. And I think we are losing the most talented, beautiful, fantastic young people because of that. Yeah, I completely agree. And I think that's one of the most important things for me when I joined this job, that I'm speaking their language and they have a safe space to actually express and feel heard. because I think, yeah, the generation now is completely different to when I was growing up.

30:46And we need to move with the times. We need to understand young people. So I think you're right. A lot of people can be discounted, counted out. Then they're going to seek guidance or just community from the wrong places. Correct, yeah. Yeah, so I think this space, having this is, yeah, it's a good thing for them. That's a really good point, actually. If they get discarded by places like this or schools, they go and find community in the one place they shouldn't be finding it they will yeah and then you're it's going downhill from there we've had many a case where because not all of them take to something like this you know some of them yeah we've had young people go we've had young people leave and come back um but yeah naturally you know when you are in the wrong kind of crowds and groups and you don't have that person saying you know what is going on how did it affect you how can it affect you yeah it can go downhill very very fast so okay well i'll let you get back to your pottery yeah thank you so much it's lovely to meet you lovely to meet you too well done for your hard work and that's it my time at future has come to an end all too quickly look to be honest the highlight for me was definitely sitting down talking to olivia and lily two remarkable young women who've found in that building what i think so many of us take for granted which is somewhere to belong we talk so often don't we on high performance about what allows people to find their own version of high performance the conditions that let them thrive And what I saw today is that so often it can start with something so simple, just a safe place and sometimes just one person who pays attention to you.

32:17And as we heard from Stephen, that can make a difference that you carry for the rest of your life. Support from Players of Postcode Lottery helps ensure places like Future exist. And without places like Future, we just don't find out how special young people like Olivia and Lily really are. So for every pound spent in this facility, £13 of social value is created in my book. We just need way more of these. Thank you so much to Stephen, to Jamie, to Stephanie, especially to Olivia and Lily for letting us into their world today. Thank you as well for listening to High Performance. Remain humble, curious and empathetic.

32:52And we'll see you next time.

33:02Thank you.