A Manager Can Fix a Club, Carra & Goldbridge are Friends & Liverpool for Title? | Overlap Daily

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2:04Don't bully me. Is this going out now or this bit? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're in record now. Honestly. It's all right. Yeah. You? We doing all right? You've been bullying professional footballers for like 10 years. You should be in the middle of it so if he starts bullying me again. Honestly. I feel like, I don't know. I just want to say I didn't feel bullied. Okay. How did you feel? To be honest, I just, you know, this is what it is. Is it different when you're doing, I know we asked you before, do you feel like sort of different if you're with people rather than doing it on your own? Yeah, I enjoy it, yeah.

2:37I think, I mean, I love the live chat and I love the freedom of, you know, the madness you get in there, but, I mean, I was with Joe Art last week week, you know, Rooney, Redknapp, really good footballers, and now I'm here with you. It's that bullion? It's the high, I wasn't sure if I needed like a helmet or popcorn today, I wasn't sure what we were walking into. People don't realise there's a lot of chat going on before we come on, but let's not support the illusion. I live on these though. Excuse me, thank you. Do you? Yeah, because as you're driving, like, you know if you like a bag of crisps and that it goes all down in your trousers.

3:11they get a nice flavour what's your fave what's this vanilla the chocolate one or the vanilla one is nice as well so what are we talking about today what are we doing we'll talk about Liverpool we'll talk about Arsenal we'll talk about Manchester United I feel like I'll tell you what we need to do for the red cartel we'll get Everton in there for you don't worry flip a coin because I feel like we need to do this fairly because I don't know who we talk about first, Man United or Liverpool. So if we flip a coin... I might be talking about Liverpool. Really? Yeah. I don't ruin my game. Go on then, flick it.

3:48Just go along with it, go along with it. Go on then. So, who wants... I go heads. You'll go heads, you'll go tails, ready? Oh. Tails. Tails, tails. So Man United to come up first. Well, I haven't spoke about it much this week, so it'll be all right. I know you definitely haven't, but it's Halloween this weekend. Anyone doing anything? Do you get involved? Do you normally get dressed up? Well, you know me, I like getting abused, so I live in Solihull there's loads of Villa fans so I'm going to go dressed up as Jamie go trick or treating you haven't given this week haven't you honestly yeah unbelievable I saw Gabby Agbom Lahore was going for you on social that's bad when you've got that I know you're not allowed to give an opinion though I just think Unai Emery is the best manager in the league and if you're Man United if you're thinking about getting a new manager you're probably going to go what's the best we can get now I'm not saying he'll go I'm just saying if it was me I would ask the question but I am intrigued by Unai Emery in that when you've got somebody so good as him as a manager now whatever you say you can't and it's not just Villa there's lots of other teams but there are teams who are like the absolute elite say like Real Madrid Bayern Munich Man United those type of teams I just think I'm just interested to know would Unai Emery ever want to manage at that level again?

5:11Or is he just thinking, I just run the show, I have Villa, I can do what I want? And certain managers are good at a certain, not a certain level or certain clubs, and that's Unai Emery. Reminds me a bit of Rafa, really, Rafa Benitez. So he's had us go to the PSG and Arsenal, it doesn't quite work, but Seville, you know, Villarreal, Aston Villa, Valencia, done really well. But I still don't think the ego of anybody, whether you're a manager or a player, and someone said, no, you're just that level, you know, as in like brilliant manager, but that's, I think your own ego would go like, no, I'm not, I can, you know what I mean?

5:50That was just my point and it's just that, it's grew arms and legs. And then it ends up telling them to F off, which maybe I should have, probably not do, but it was all in jest because they've been all over my social timeline. So when I was saying F off, I meant F off off my socials, you know what I mean? If you want to give me a stick in the pub with Mr. Gordridge, that's absolutely fine, but just stay off my soul's chills. I do understand their point. We'll all make it all up because I'm a big fan of Villa. I understand the Villa fans' point, though, because I think that probably like United fans, I look at it and go, Villa's a better run club with a better team, he's got control, and Man United is massive.

6:26And you're right, Emery might go, I want Man United, but he'd be an idiot to take it because Man United's just the name at the moment. Behind it, it's an absolute shit show.

6:39Welcome to the Overlap Daily, brought to you by Skybet. Another show, another set of football talking points to get stuck into. From the biggest stories to the debates dividing opinion, we've got you covered with Skybet. On today's show, we've got Jamie Carragher and Mark Goldbridge. We're going to be chatting all things Manchester United and Liverpool.

7:13I think a manager can change a lot at a football club. I think people would have been looking at Liverpool before Klopp come in going, oh, what a mess this is. You know what I mean? I think they'd have been looking at Villa before the United Emery come in going, oh, what's going on here? A great manager can change a lot. We look at, say, oh, this club is really well run. But haven't United had great managers that couldn't change it? They haven't done well enough. Yes, the CV says they're great managers. You think, well, how can it not work? But there are things you can look at and go, they should have done better than that.

7:45Even when Jose came in, we all know Jose's a great manager, but was he almost past his best when he came to United? So I think under Jose, I think United finish, people say, oh, he finished second. But in his first full season, he finished fifth. Won the Europa League. But what I'm saying is he finished fifth, and then he finished second, and then the year after, when he goes I think the 6th or 7th in the league maybe a lot around about that so it's not about I'm speaking you're a Man United fan but it's not about saying Man United have to win the league every year it's about Man United should be challenging for the league every year they should be in the knockout rounds of the Champions League every year so no matter I say no matter what's going on behind them but the managers get given enough I would say transfer funds to make that a real opportunity and possibility I would feel What do you think?

8:35No, I think you're right. And I think also one of the big things that's annoyed me this week is the whole, no manager can fix this. Roy said it on Sticks Football, didn't he? So what are we saying? No one can do better than Carrick? Well, come on. They can. They can do. And if you bring Emery in or Conte in, the thing is, how high can United go with this regime? You're not going to win the league. You're not going to win the league with the Glazers or any of us, I don't think, because you need the sporting director. you need the structure's not right just for a manager to go in but I still I say what I say at the start of the season I still put Man United in third at the start of the season I was like obviously we're not Arsenal Man City yet anyway but I'd still put United in the top four where they are at the moment that's for me on Carrick that's not good enough That's what I'm saying so Michael Carrick's not coming under pressure because Man United are on top of the league he's coming under pressure because of where they are in the league Man United most people expect United to be Champions League positions I'd probably add them fourth or fifth, I think, probably this season.

9:34I thought they'd be in a fight to get Champions League and that's where they should be. I thought I won the toss, didn't I? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I won the toss. It was United. It was United. I was going to say, so should we actually start and have a chat about Man United in depth? Oh, go on. Yeah. Well, for me, it's all about this Chelsea-United game. Halloween shocker. Alonso madly. I was driving up today and playing this clip about Alonso's got to go this, that and the other and I think he's been massively misquoted on this when they lost the penalty shootout he actually did say I'm disappointed about it but it's not our priority and everyone's completely took it wrong that his priority is to win the league it's not win the league it's what you just said there it's to finish 5th or 4th it's to get in the Champions League and people might not like it but that's the modern game now Carabao Cup or 4th place in the Champions League I'm sorry that will be his if they finish 7th and he wins the Carabao Cup his bosses aren't going to be as happy as if he finishes fourth and they win nothing.

10:32Well, this has been going on a while. Winning domestic cup competitions is not going to keep you in a job. Getting Champions League football is going to keep you in a job. Exactly. And it goes back to, I think even under Kenny Daglish, how long ago was that now? Probably when I was playing, when was that? 15 years ago or something. Kenny got to the Carabao, got to the FA Cup final, but we finished seventh in the league and got Champions League football. and was gone. So it's... Yeah, but Chelsea's a funny club with managers and I hope it goes well for him because he's a friend. But... Do you think it will?

11:09Oh, I think he's... Listen, what he's done so far as a manager is really good. But Chelsea as a football club and the way they sort of treat their managers and talking about the supporters, I think at Liverpool, you sort of fall in love with the manager. I think at Chelsea it's just a bit different they're so used to just going we'll get ready we'll get the next one get ready we'll get the next so it doesn't feel that big a thing when they change a manager so I hope that obviously doesn't affect him well it's mad to me I actually enjoyed the game the penalty shootout I know there was a bit of change but it was a good game and then someone's got to lose it Liverpool nearly lost it and then Fofana steps up and misses it and then you log on the next day and there's all these Chelsea fans going mad about the players, about the manager, and I'm like, it's a penalty bloody shootout.

11:59I think it's on the back of the Tottenham game. That was bad. That was bad. In your own backyard. Yeah, it wasn't just that they lost. It was probably the way they lost. And I think it's more about, I think for the first time, they're questioning the tactics or the personnel he's selecting during a game. Yeah. No, it was. I think a lot of it revolved. I spoke to him before the Tottenham game. Did a big interview for Sky. Really good. So we're starting to do this series of manager interviews. so we've done it in Raiola done Alonso so something every you know four to six weeks you know a big one sit down 45 minutes an hour so it was really good I thought oh this will go down really well everyone was loving it before the game and then as soon as the game happened dropped yeah wow we're not watching that he's with his mate Carragher at Liverpool all that stuff come out but no I got looked after it was really good having a look around Chelsea speaking to a few different people speaking to Xabi as well he was really excited about a lot of the young players they've got coming through there he said the lad who was at Wigan Ben Watson I think his son's there he said he's really good looks really good but no so kill the interview basically and on the back of that the Tottenham game didn't go particularly well so it feels like it's a big game for Carrick obviously but I think it's a big game for Xabi as well in terms of the support he needs to get a victory go on no go on no I was just going to say I mean going into it we're absolutely dreadful but I think it's a weakness of Chelsea that I'm sort of looking at it and without Jao Pedro their defence looks a bit weak you saw what Spurs did last week I think if United were the team of last season and we did win their 1-0 last season I'd quite fancy it which says that that's a big job for Xabi Alonso I mean he probably needs a few more players because Jao Pedro out Welbeck I think it's a project at Chelsea I mean I don't normally project about other clubs but I look at Chelsea I think they've got the right guy I liked what he did at Leverkusen and Chelsea fans do who need to be a bit bloody patient, like Jamie says.

13:55They're constantly sacking the managers, jumping on them. And it's quite a young team. And there's a lot that's gone wrong in the last three years with these silly contracts. I think he's got to be giving time, but I think there'll be his tomorrow. I do. Well, in terms of United, Bruno's back in the fold. They've had clear-the-air talks, him and Michael Carrick. What's the next? I feel like it's a saga at the minute, the next episode in the saga that is. Well, throw to the player. The way I look at it with Bruno is, like, Of course you're going to sit in a room. You're not going to sit on your backside till the summer.

14:25He wants to play football, doesn't he? I feel like for Bruno Fernandes, has this not been almost the perfect week in the sense that you get punished, you sit on the bench, you don't get used for a minute, you watch your team play worse without you. And then there's the middle of the week, we've had the clear air, the clear the air talks, and then Carrick's confirmed him as captain. So, I mean, he's still got to turn up tomorrow, but it's not been a bad week for Bruno in the sense that he called the manager out, he called the club out and here we go who do you think went to who first did Bruno knock on Carrick or did Carrick come to Bruno er I don't know we'll have to wait for the documentary it won't be in it won't be in you know I'd have got creative control I mean this Amazon documentary is going to be amazing isn't it it's going to be fascinating yeah it is it's going to be good do you think they'll have editorial control like you two do here in the public yeah I will have you know what I always remember documentary the best the two greatest sports sports documentaries, Do I Not Like That?

15:25Who's that? Oh, Taylor, Graham Taylor. Yes. It's a long time ago. I literally, I couldn't understand what you said there. I had any subtitles with you. Early 90s, wasn't it? If you've got nothing on this afternoon, sit down and go on YouTube and watch Do I Not Like That? Greatest football documentary of all time, Graham Taylor, following England's team, amazing. And the other one, the great sports documentary was Living With The Lions and these had none of, what do you call, editorial control and I just hope Manchester United allow a little bit they'll have to though you can't get creative on this first two months you can't pretend we beat Hull exactly but it'll be it should be essential viewing but I just I feel a bit sorry for Michael Carrick as in it must be really difficult now on that training pitch pity's not a good thing is it as Roy Keane said it's what?

16:15pity's not a good place to be oh god no matter how bad things are you don't want to get pity but unfortunately that's where we are and I just think Manchester United's hierarchy are just buying a little bit of time to the international break listen get a couple of wins who knows could change but I think it'd be really difficult you know the games you're coming up against Chelsea were notoriously not easy for United Aston Villa my mate Aston Villa you and I Emery all the Villa fans Mike Keegan was in here and he said that there was a meeting between Radcliffe Joel and Avram I'm going to write it down because I wrote exactly who was on it.

16:51He said yesterday on the Daily that Berardo, Wilcox, Radcliffe, Joel and Avram Glazer were all on a Zoom call together this week. Or a call, whether it's Zoom or not. Do you think the self-awareness is there for them? No. As I said, Manchester United, to me, doesn't exist at the moment because the only thing that exists is the name. It's lost bigger things like hiking ticket prices, knocking down Old Trafford, sacking half the workforce. I don't think we're a very nice club. I think as a fan, whether you're a Liverpool fan or an Arsenal fan, you want to be proud of your club. There's not a lot to be proud of the club apart from the fans.

17:32But how you can have a manager walking around, and he wasn't being cheered because the fans want him. He was being cheered because he's a legend of the club, and it was a farewell thing. And that's why they booed the players straight after, because they were staying and they need to wise up. To sit in a meeting on a Monday, not sack him, and then come out of a meeting going, well, we can't find anything better, let's stick him. I mean, I think it's degrading to Michael Carrick. And there's three managers. There's Eddie Howe, there's Conte and there's Nagelsmann. And there's also, you know, there is a thing about you can go and get a manager out of a job as well.

18:05And to sit on your arse for a whole week and send Carrick out again. Who would you have got? I do like Nagelsmann. I like that sort of, it reminds me a little bit of what Liverpool did with Klopp, it's longer term. But I don't see the problem, you know, like Gary keeps saying, don't go for Conte. I'm like, he'll get them fit, he's disciplined. And if he goes in a year or two, so what? I mean, Carrick's lasted less than a year. Amrum's lasted. What's the obsession with the long term? We need to be in the top four, like Alonso wants to be, like Liverpool want to be. So I'd give Conte a go. But the sad thing is, we won't give Conte the job because Wilcox is scared of him.

18:41He doesn't want somebody in there that's going to sit in a press conference and go, this is not good enough, this is not good enough. He wants Michael Carrick to sit there and go, Michael, what did you think about the summer transfer window? You were left a bit short. Well, we tried our best. You know, they want a puppet to protect themselves. Jamie, you said on Sticks Football as well, the players know that Michael Carrick is not going to be there in two or three weeks. He knows it. They know it. Everybody knows it. It's just a bizarre situation. As a player in that situation, when you know that, mentally, what does that do?

19:10what do you think they are doing in that dressing room at the minute? What are their private conversations? They know they're going to be there longer than the manager. That's just not healthy. The manager suppose we have that authority, isn't he? Now, I've said for a while, and it was taken as a criticism of Michael Carragher, it wasn't meant to be. Because I've been very proud, did a brilliant job, should have been given this time. Some people say he shouldn't, I think he should have done. I don't know what else Manchester United could have done at that moment. You couldn't get rid of a manager, who in the second half of the season was not just showing Champions League form, it was title winning form.

19:43Now that was never going to continue, we all know that. But the drop-off you couldn't see coming. And I thought the job of Michael Carrick was to get Manchester United in the Champions League again this season. So again, if Manchester United were fourth or fifth right now, no one would be complaining. But I don't think he was ever seen, certainly in my eyes, as the Man United manager to get Man United back to win in titles in European Cups. that was not his role, his role was to come in and help the club what he did last season and do the same again and for me was to then pass on the baton in the summer with Manchester United probably finishing fourth or fifth where they expect him to finish so I'd never seen him as this manager who was going up against the other managers in the league because he wasn't at that level because he'd got the job because he was an ex-player and he'd helped them brilliantly, the club but the situation where they find themselves now and X, Y and Z getting mentioned on a daily basis his players are on the phones, aren't they?

20:35Liking tweets, Bruno Fernandes, or Instagram posts. They're seeing the papers and the talk of his job. It just diminishes that authority that a manager is supposed to have. That's when I'm saying I feel a little bit sorry for him. It must be really awkward going in, speaking to the players every morning, setting the session up, team meeting before Chelsea, going through the team, trying to lift the players, just come on, we're Man United. This is our aim this season. He knows he's probably hanging to his job by a thread. Can I just ask you, Jamie, because we had it last season with Salah when he came out after Leeds.

21:07It's happening more and more. We've seen it with Bruno Fernandes. Having been in top dressing rooms and the message from the club is to the fans, we're going to give Carrick more time and the media are like, Carrick's going to get more time. From a fan point of view, what's it like in the dressing room for those players? Are they aware of what fans are thinking and what we're saying about Carrick? Or are they like, oh yeah, let's all get together, lads. Let's get behind this manager and give him another chance. or will they be going, the coaching's not good enough, the fitness isn't good enough, we're not good enough, we need him out?

21:37How does it work? There's this thing about downing tools, but is it downing tools or is it just not being quite 100 %? I played at a football club where the manager was the god in the eyes of everybody at the club in terms of the supporters, whether that goes back to Bill Shankly's time. For Liverpool supporters, it's Bill Shankly. That was why Liverpool won in that day and age. Then it was Bob Paisley. then it was Kenny Taufey and Kenny Daglish when we won the in Istanbul, Rafa so there was never what I would call player power at Liverpool because the manager was so powerful at Liverpool because the fans oversaw the manager as the man so every manager, even if he wasn't that successful at Liverpool they had four or five years Roy Evans was in the job for I think four years, four or five years won Taufey, Gerard Hulia was there six years, a bit more successful but didn't win the league.

22:29Rafa was there six seasons. So you're talking, and we're not winning trophies every season. Don't get me wrong, we're doing well, they're good managers. And the first time I saw her at Liverpool was when Roy Hodgson come in. Now I'd never played for a manager as such because I just played for Liverpool. I just played for myself in Liverpool. No manager bought me, so I played for the club. But the first time I ever felt it was when Roy Hodgson come in and the fans weren't really having it, the appointment, and I could see things in training and I thought, oh, this is what it is. where people not fully giving it because they know even if we get beat the manager's going to get the blame and we'd never had that at Liverpool before it would always be if the team weren't playing particularly well yes the manager gets questioned but the thing would be pointed at the players as well and that was the first time I noticed it and I was trying to rail against it and trying to get people going and I couldn't do it I couldn't win the fight with the other players as if he's not good enough for Liverpool and then big name players and I didn't like it but once it started it was difficult to stop and the only natural thing that had to happen was Roy Hodgson to go but when you're talking about Carrick staying the reason clubs don't want to bow to the demands of players is because you just ruin the authority of the manager so Liverpool with the Salah stuff so Liverpool fans think I can't stand Salah I love Salah I can't stand people coming out publicly criticising their own club so if you go back to anybody who's ever done I've been critical of them so Martinez Fernandes this last week A year ago, Ruben Ambran come out against Leeds, didn't he?

23:58And said, bravo, you know. I was like, you're lucky to be in a job, the results that you've got. You can't do that. Same with Salah and go back before that. But we never had that at Liverpool. Someone publicly coming out and criticising a manager. I don't think we... I think Mo Salah was probably... I can't even think when that has ever happened before, really. And that's why I was so critical of her. I just don't like her. To be honest, though, from the Martinez and Bruno stuff, I think as fans we love it because we can't stand the glazes. But I've got to be honest, whether it's yourself, Rooney, every ex-player pretty much over the last week has come out and said what Bruno's done and what Martinez has done well, which says a lot about those players, really.

24:37You know what it is, and I said this on another show, we're all lying in football. On podcasts now, you'll listen to a player and you'll say, he wasn't like that as a player. Oh, now we can't shut him up when he stopped playing. Because he's being truthful or he's saying what he really feels. and I do the same now on TV and sometimes you'll upset people but you wouldn't say when you were a player because a lot of the time you get asked a question by James you're telling a lie to protect people but the manager's also telling a lie for you when you've had a bad game and he's coming out and saying well no I think that it was a poor refereeing decision I thought it was that now we'll have a team meeting on a Monday and be like what were you doing there you should have done this you should have done this but you don't say it publicly so the reason Man United fans like it at the moment is because they're so angry and they're so emotional about who's picked the manager, the people above them.

25:24This is not right. We want the players to be on our side and saying what we're saying. Now, the players do think that. They just can't say it. But you can't have it both ways as a player because when Man United finished 15th, who was the man? Was it Amaran? Amaran was the man. Or imagine Ratcliffe had put a statement out at the end of the season going, this is not good enough. We're paying Bruno Fernandes 250 grand a week and you're finishing 15th. We're expecting you to do X, Y and Z. We'd all go, you can't say that. You know what I mean? so we're all protecting each other really so for the players to do it to the manager the manager doesn't do it to the player so you can't do it Who needs the result more?

26:02You're not well yeah I mean you're not needed don't they? I think Chelsea I think Alonso does as well yeah I think Chelsea not that I think if Chelsea don't get a result Xavi Alonso nothing like that but I just feel the swing of supporters on the back of the Spurs game obviously lost midweek but it was on penalties but I think if they lost again at the weekend that's, you know, I think it could sort of not turn against them but I'm only going off social media I'm going to stand for bridge. The reason I'm saying more for Xabi Alonso is because I think I'm almost resigned to the fact that Michael Carrick probably won't be there.

26:37There's a lot of United fans that want us to lose. I was going to say if he wins, does it? That sounds horrible but there's a lot of United fans who are getting to the point where they're like this needs to get worse. like it needs to and I can't do that you know I always want us to win but there's a lot of people that want us to lose and I think we will lose I think we will lose and I think but Chelsea can't afford to lose two games at home either Stamford Bridge Spurs I don't know where they are in the league but they're very score a lot they'll see a lot they're a bit like that Chelsea are aware they should be I think they're fourth or fifth maybe someone to give us that confirmation I think they're fifth they're fifth they're fifth or sixth sixth ahead of United fifth Six points ahead of United So we're having a really bad season So if they're three points Behind United tomorrow night Yeah You deserve a bit of pressure really But Yeah I mean I just don't understand With the Carrick thing Like if he wins one game Out of the next three He probably keeps his job I just hope They've gone He's almost become An interim again Whatever happens In Chelsea, Villa And Roma You're gone In the international break I think he's always That's my point I think he's always been I think he's always been Into them Yeah He's never progressed From being an interim Has he?

27:46This episode is sponsored by Huel Official nutrition partner of Overlap Daily Right Tim, that time again In partnership with Huel You and I are going to discuss one less thing in football Now we've had a few discussions, haven't we? Shim pads last week, wasn't it? Yeah, holes Holes in the socks What is the one thing you would like to see one less of in football? Well I need to This is what needs to come out of the game Players You've been thinking about this, haven't you? Yeah, I hate this I hate this And every time someone does it I just can't have it It just winds me up Go on players winding up the crowd like this.

28:19The team might be losing in the game. Cunha did it at Old Trafford. He went down the bottom corner, he's like this to the crowd. And then you put the camera pans to the crowd and all giving it, get on with your own job. Have you got liberty? Absolutely disgusting. I hate it. Straight red card. Anyone who does that, surely they've got to get booked. If they do it again, send them off. Odegaard does it a lot. There's ones who are serial performers of it. You're going to send someone off. for going to the crowd to get air. Nonsense. What are they doing? Go yellow. What are they doing? I was going to say, you know, like, standing ovations or celebrating tackles in the area, but this one winds me up more than anything.

28:59Yeah. It winds me up. Why? These people are paying their money. They're paying a lot of money to go and watch you. They're 2-0 down. Yeah, I know. You're meant to get stuck in, have a run around. Actually, you've turned me around now. I think you could be right. Straight red. One less thing in football. Telling your fans to get behind them. Waving your arms around. Instead of running more, tackling more, and trying a bit more. Yeah. Like, the manager should be standing, oh, Michael Carrick should be doing that to his players all day. Yeah. 95 minutes, he should be doing that. You know what I mean?

29:26If it makes a difference, you're livening yourself up. Don't worry about the fans. Yeah. All right. You having it? Yeah, I'm having it. Yeah, and I actually remember it. It was down in the left-hand side. Yeah, it was. Cunha goes out to the crowd. Yeah, it's a liberty. Yeah, I'd actually, if I paid big money to watch Absolute Dross, and the player does that to me, I'd be going, at some front. Yeah. Who are you kidding? Yeah. Yeah, all right. Straight red. Get them out. Get them out. OK. Do you think the Premier League will have that one? Yeah. Howard Webb will get on it. Howard Webb. All right, brilliant.

29:58One less thing of football. Players telling the fans to get going. Yeah? Get rid of it. Get out. That's nonsense. The verdict's in. Footballers who waved their arms to liven up the crowd is gone. Finished. Red card. Well, that's one less thing in football. And with Huel, we've got one less thing to think about when it comes to your nutrition. Huel is a complete meal in a bottle, high in protein, high in fiber, and with all essential vitamins and minerals. Save£10 on your first order with the code DAILY at checkout. Just go to Huel.com forward slash DAILY. What's one less thing you would like to see removed from football?

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32:05One big game coming up, another one. Liverpool Arsenal this weekend. Liverpool, Jamie, seems to be in a good spot. What, they've won all five since the City defeat? Are we seeing the Iriola effect happening? Stevie said he thought he could see it on Monday. Yeah, it's funny watching them because you don't see yet. I don't think there's probably been one performance this season where you go, everything sort of ticked every box there, where you look strong defensively, scored a few goals, played some good football. There's almost been a little bit of, when the defences look good, we haven't looked like we're creating enough chances, and then vice versa.

32:39But you look at the Brighton game and go, OK, 2-0, played against a good team, won 2-0. But if you watch the game, you know, Brighton missed a great, virtually an open goal at 0-0, had some good chances, kept, I think, 60-70 % possession at Anfield. They're such a good team, Brighton. Exactly. But what I'm saying is, so there were still bits in that game where you go, OK, so that's why I think people aren't thinking they could win the league, if you like. But I'm looking at it now and thinking with the City situation, could Liverpool actually be the biggest challengers? and I didn't think Liverpool would be able to challenge for the title this season.

33:11I thought it was like, just make sure we get top four or top five. And I think we look like we're moving in the right direction. We're probably moving ahead of United, maybe Chelsea, Villa in terms of being Champions League teams and we could actually mount a challenge to the top two. But as I said, I don't see City being involved in the title for the reasons that we know. So if they could win on Sunday,

33:38I think they could be the one that Arsenal are looking over the shoulders at basically. I wanted to mention as well actually, I know we've just spoken about Chelsea but Xavi Alonso and Jordan Henderson returning it felt like they got a little bit different receptions midweek like going back to Anfield, Xavi seemed to get the love I don't know, did Jordan kind of like feel the limit of a Liverpool fan? No, I was watching the game on TV and then I was seeing obviously supporters online and some saying this is wrong, this shouldn't be happening. He got an unbelievable reception when he came back with Brentford, and rightly so.

34:10Liverpool legend, know Jordan really well, and I love him, what a career he's had. Even to be playing for Chelsea regularly now, what is he, 36 in midfield in the Premier League, that just shows the professional and how strong he is. But I only noticed it after Chelsea thought they should have got a penalty. so there was a situation in the game where before the penalty that Chelsea got and Jordan was really going mad at the referee, chasing him throwing his arms, I actually think it was that more than anything else that kicked her off now, it's one of them as a football support where it would be hypocritical where if he was Liverpool captain, we'd want him doing that trying to get us a penalty but not against us, you're supposed to be one of us and probably in the Liverpool supporters' eyes and maybe a little bit of mine as well.

35:01I was watching it going, all right, John, calm down. You know, he wasn't... I didn't know if he was almost doing it to almost show the Chelsea fans, I'm a Chelsea player now. I'm fighting for you. I'm feeling to try and get a penalty. The remonstrations went on a bit too long, I think, for people inside. But he picked up the ball to take it to the penalty spot and he was having a little look around. I think he was half enjoying it, half, you know, sort of playing up to a pantomime villain. he was very composed wasn't he but listen Liverpool supporters love Jordan he's a legend at the club I do think going to the game though I'm not going to the game but Arsenal I wouldn't be very popular Arsenal are definitively boring I think this season and I don't know whether that's because they've won the league but there's something about Arsenal that's just brilliantly mechanical they're just so resolute they've got that great defence and I think Liverpool have got a good chance of winning it and I think, but you've got to take Man City out of the equation, and Arsenal need to show some vulnerability, and that might happen on Sunday, but just bringing it back to United in a moment, I just want to give a little bit of a praise to Iriola, I really liked him at Bournemouth, and I remember saying, I'd much rather go Iriola over Carrick, and a lot of United fans went, no, he's not ready for that, and a lot of the journalists around United went, he's not ready for that, and look at Liverpool, they didn't need to remove slot, they didn't need to remove slot, and they took that risk on Iriola.

36:28And this is the thing that Liverpool are our biggest rivals, but I'm starting to become quite jealous of what Liverpool have done since Klopp came in because they've recruited well. They're not going to knock Anfield down. They listen to their fans, as Stevie was saying on Monday. But also they make decisions that are footballing decisions and football decisions are risk. And when you look at Iriola and what he did at Bournemouth, all right, he's going from Bournemouth to Liverpool. But there's a hell of a lot of, there's a catalogue of work behind there in developing players, the way he plays.

36:56And they did this with Klopp with that midfield. Remember that one? I've never seen it happen before. They rebuilt their midfield in one summer when they got Sir Bosley, Endo, Gravenberg and McAllister. And that's footballing decisions. You have to take risks. You have to go, right, we need to do this and we're going to do this. And the slot to Iriola thing, you can only praise that as a football fan. It was brave. It was the right thing to do. And it will work. It's just going to take a bit of time. I think it's going to take time. I thought it was brave. I was a little bit sceptical. When you're talking about Manchester United as well, they were looking at it, not sure.

37:30My thing was, you talk about the style of football, but my thing was, I just think if you're managing United or Liverpool or Arsenal or whoever, Chelsea, when you employ a manager, you're employing a manager to win trophies and play in Europe. So, you know, know how to manage a three-game week. over months. And that was my thing. Iroh has never done that. So that was my scepticism. You know, when you think about it, though, look at who you play in Arsenal. Arteta. Yeah, yeah. He had problems at the start. He didn't, you know, I know he's right and man a pet, but, you know, there's something, I just think, it's almost the Brighton effect and Bournemouth.

38:11It's like, these clubs are elite in relation to recruitment of players and managers. Brighton will already know who the next Herzler is and they've already had people like Deserby. Potter did very well there. Bournemouth have replaced Iriola with this new guy. I mean, it's not hard to come to Old Trafford and batter us, but they're still a good team. And I don't know, I think the way Liverpool are thinking, are they sort of the best club in the top four in relation to that Brighton-Brentford sort of model where you've got to be a little bit out of the box and then you reap the benefit? I mean, I know they spent a lot of money on Barcola and Wurz and maybe Wurz might not work out, but there's been a lot of good signings from Liverpool at that sort of 30 to 60 million tag.

38:50Well, I've been critical of the people who've left the club now in terms of the signings that we made on the back of winning the title with Arne Slott. And it goes back to what you said about Arsenal. He's calling the board and I understand where you're coming from. But I actually did a newspaper article last week saying if Arsenal changed their style, would that help or hinder them in terms of winning the title? So when you think of Liverpool, we won the title and under Arne Slott, he was a little bit like, I want to win it a different way. I want to be more expansive we want to be we want to score more goals and you brought these sort of four or five players and it completely sort of fell apart we know there was obviously issues off the pitch as well and obviously the situation with Diogo Jota but I actually think about Arsenal they're probably thinking we've never retained a title I don't think until you go back to the 1930s if we just do what we do we're going to win the league again especially with the Man City stuff now so that's that yeah I'm not criticising Arsenal other than I doubt massively like them but Man City are going to get pulled out.

39:53It's a big ask for Liverpool. I can't really see anybody else. Unless Chelsea do. So if Arsenal are, as I say, mechanical, they can probably win the league in fourth gear and maybe go for that. And they could maybe do that for two or three years as well. Although I do think if Liverpool carry on and maybe Chelsea and who else? I feel like there's someone else. Spurs? They're not bad. I would that's an outside chance for me Spurs I think they'll just rise and climb now you're talking for Champions League positions yeah I do I think if they can get that focal number 9 up front if they can get a striker I would put them in there what are you going for Liverpool Arsenal well Arsenal have got a bit of problems hang on before you do that because we've got a problem with Arsenal they haven't got any wingers yeah like again Saka's out so Saka's definitely out then you've got Solis who's out injured Max Dalman's red card holds, so he's out for three.

40:51Well, hang on a minute. You're suddenly going... I feel sorry for a minute. You know what? It annoyed me, that. A little bit. The red card he got. And then the appeal, then it got... Sends a bad message, I think. I just didn't... This means you can plaster someone, can't it? It was a terrible tackle. Terrible tackle, lad. That's one of them tackles that we would make 20 years ago. And it reminded me of something my U-team coach used to say to us, and he'd say before games, rattle his bones. What that meant was, not go over the ball, but if you've got a chance to win the ball, follow through and rattle his ball, shake him up.

41:23Like you did to Nanny? Yes, basically. That was break the ball. You made him cry. But my point being was, that was 20, 30 years ago. Them tackles, I'm rightly so, shouldn't be allowed now. So the players come across, and you've got to remember, is Max Diamond doesn't know he's there. Because Max Diamond's coming from a challenge here. He's turning here. And this flyer's coming, and it was like an old-fashioned tackle, where you think, I can win the ball, I can leave one on him and nothing's really going to happen. So his reaction, I think 99 % of any footballer would have reacted like he did. One because it was a bad tackle and one because he wasn't expecting it.

41:59So you just think, and then somewhere from nowhere comes flying in and you think you're going to go over it, like do your ankle ligaments. And all he's done is just that instant quick, and all he's done is put his knee into it. It was never a red card, never. I also think what you're doing is alright red cards happen I don't think there's any VAR but when it gets appealed to still have a three match ban for that which is significant but you're also sending a message of next time roll around on the floor yeah and if you're his manager you're probably saying next time use your anger on the floor roll around do a few you know like Bruno did on Foden yeah yeah go down and roll on the floor don't stand up and do anything because you might end up with a red so yeah so yeah Mikel's going to have to find a solution fingers crossed hopefully he doesn't I reckon a draw I'm going to go for a draw I think it'll be a score draw maybe 1-1-2 2-2 I don't think Arsenal will win it I think we saw the vulnerability against Brighton I think Arsenal can be got at and Liverpool got no real injury concerns I don't think I think they're quite I'm saying I said 2-1 on the I've been on the overlap all week this week when was it only stick to football but we don't stick to you know what I'd actually go 1-0 I'm not sure Liverpool could score 2 against that goal keeping them and defence and Arsenal probably if they have got those attacking players that might actually go even more defensive because they think we maybe will not be able to get a goal so we're going to try and keep our clean sheet so you know what I'm going to go for Liverpool 1-0 Coming off the back of a defeat to Fleetwood Town though in the Cup I mean Mikel called it a sad day I think after the game but bigger fish to fry.

43:40You know what, that's one of those games where you're angry, you're almost a little bit embarrassed, you know, the story for a few days, but when it calms down, and especially when he's looking at the Carabao Cup semi-finals in January, February, and they've got three weeks, and they'd be like, this almost puts one hand on the trophy, I think the Premier League trophy, they're going to go for the Champions League, they'll have three midweeks now, the final takes a league game away as well, for whoever gets there, And you want to get there, you want to win trophies at Gary. I mean, Arsenal's record in our competition is unbelievably bad.

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46:04Welcome to Six of the Best, brought to you by Super Six. This week, we are going to be discussing penalty howlers. We've got a list of ten. I want you to pick your best six for me. So, let's get into this. I feel bad if people appear on this list. This is not a list you want to be on, is it? But we're going to start with the great man himself, David Beckham. It was against Turkey, the Euro qualifier in 2004. Remember this one? Yeah. He's done it a couple of times, Bex, hasn't he? Where he lets everybody know that it was the Terps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has a good look behind him. So, yeah, I can remember that one.

46:42Yeah, well, I can remember most of them. Did you miss a penalty for England? Yes. Was it an important shootout? Yeah, it wasn't an important shootout. Who was it? Portugal. So I got Broughton to take a penalty. I mean, I was just on fire. You had one job. I'm not taking the piss I mean that's not I did because like T, in south get there's loads but that was the first time I touched the ball so when you think about it you know like just coming on to take one but I took it no I scored but I took it before so basically I took a couple for Liverpool and I'd always just done a long run up and as soon as I'd walked back I just turned and ran got a bit of pace up and put it in so I scored two for Liverpool two out of two I did the same with England scored and then a few minutes I hadn't blown my missile.

47:24You'd have to take it again. I remember that, yeah. I was like, oh, my God. And then my head was a bit, he knows that's where I was going to go. So I ended up going the other way. Oh, it was just a bit of a mess. Is that the worst nightmare when you have to retake a penalty? Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't have that much experience of taking penalties, to be honest, but it did definitely mess with my head, that one. OK, so David Beckham's number one. Number two, I feel like this whole game... I think that one's more iconic. Oh, not iconic, but I think this one has to be in the sixth, the second one because of...

47:53It was crap. But it was just, I mean, what is it, a 17-minute delay? Oh, so Morocco's Brahim Diaz against Senegal. Yes, so this was the AFCON final, wasn't it? And we had all that trouble. But he got accused of all sorts, didn't he? People were sort of saying, you know, he's done a deliberately. Oh, yeah. No, 17-minute delay. He then did a Penenka and was caught. Did he get subbed off straight? I'd have subbed him off if I was the manager. That Penenka, I mean, you've got... If you go for a Penenka, you have to nail it. Yeah, 100%. No, I think that's definitely in the six. In an AFCON final as well, yeah.

48:28Also, though, just for the goalkeeper, just to catch it. I know, just standing there waiting. OK, it's up there. Italy's Simone Zaza against Germany. He was, again, a bit like you, Jamie, but on specifically... Yeah, but also on the sake of penalty. Probably the first time he touched the ball. He did the old little Pogba step-up thing, didn't he? He was jogging on the spot for about five minutes. At least I hit the target. He goes over the bar. But it wasn't a penalty I could remember that well myself. So I don't think that should make the top six. I don't think it's something that... I remember this next one.

49:00I loved Baggio in the 94 World Cup. And he sort of single-handedly got them there. You do all that work. And then he's the guy who missed it. And I just... I mean, I was younger then. But, like, you know, football was less and more. And, yeah, I just loved Baggio. And I think he was so good in that tournament. And it sort of gets forgotten because of Brazil winning it. and he missed that penalty and it was bad. I felt like he cleared the stadium. It was one of those ones. It was, yeah. Such a good technique player as well. Did he miss that penalty? De Brazio missed first and Badger was the last one and then it was done.

49:35Badger was, yeah. Yeah, Badger was the last one, yeah. So we're saying no to Zaza, but maybe. He's a maybe. We'll put a question mark by that. We'll come to that because next up in 2005, Arsenal's Perez slash Henri Yeah, so they were trying to recreate the Johan Cruyff's penalty where basically you just pass it, as long as you pass it forward you can get involved so typical Johan Cruyff ahead of the game unbelievable thing I think the greatest person in football history I think is Johan Cruyff in terms of as a player, a football brain a coach, what Barcelona is today for me, we talk about great players a great manager but in terms of a person in football I think Cruyff's number one for me and probably for reasons like this but then it was tried to be recreated and Thierry Henry and Perez always blame each other whenever you know what I'm sure it was Perez's birthday yesterday was it?

50:33the reason I say that because Thierry Henry put the picture on his Instagram of this of that moment was that his birthday wish? it must have been his birthday or maybe it was the anniversary of that. Might be that. So what were we saying? Question mark on that? Do you want to see what else is going to list? Yeah, not definitely in. So we've got Diaz in. We've got as bad you. Badger's like, yeah. This one made me cry. Chris Waddle. Chris Waddle, yeah. I was about 10. Pearce had already missed, obviously. So we needed Waddle to score. And that was sort of my first real massive loss in football. And I don't give a shit about England really anymore.

51:11But in those days it was different and I still think that ball's on the way to hitting a satellite somewhere because it just rocketed. It rocketed. It could do with it in mind. Yeah, I mean, that was a... I don't know. I don't know. It was just a horrible thing. But to be fair, Shilton, a bag of spuds was going to save a penalty more than him. So if he'd scored that, Germany would have scored the fifth anyway. He probably did Stuart Pearce a favour, didn't he? All right, I feel like that's in then for emotional turmoil. Let's put that one in there. Oh, this one. I enjoyed this one. Arsenal, Gabriel.

51:43I was behind the goal. We were doing it for CBS, and that's where we had our studio with... Who was there? Mick Jagger. Just casual. I'll just pick that name up for you. Yeah. No, with CBS, we get on the final, we bring celebrities into this other studio we have, and it was right behind the goal. Mick Jagger came in for a bit, but basically his seat was just there, so this was, like, open. David Beckham was with us. Yeah, so we're dropping all sorts of names here, yeah. I'm going to say, hang on a minute. Is Dagger an Arsenal fan? Yeah. So he was actually with us when Arsenal scored. So when the Arsenal goal went and he was jumping everywhere, I wasn't jumping everywhere.

52:23Listen, I wanted PSG to win. I did. So I was probably pleased when that went over the bar. Didn't you say on Monday at the Ballon d 'Or, they played it on the big screen? Yeah. And Gabby was there. Because what they were doing, they were showing PSG's team of the year and how they became team of the year. So they won it because he missed the penalty. I thought it was a bit, ooh, you know what you say? Yeah. Bit harsh, bit harsh. OK, question mark on that one or... I'll tell you what, let's come back to it. Well, this next one, you know, talk about Waddle making me cry. I love this one. John Terry.

52:55Because you know what? I just remember the commentary very vividly and they were loving it. And they literally said, here he is, Mr Chelsea, stepping up. Because they were building it up because he scores that and they've won it. And it's a weird situation to be in a Champions League final knowing that if that goes in, you've lost. So you naturally assume he's going to miss. So when he slips and it's the post, it's just pure elation. Look, I've met John Terry a couple of times and he's actually, you know, good conversation, but still, I loved it. It was brilliant. Massive moment for Man United.

53:27I was watching that at home. I wanted them to score. I was a bit gutted. You know what's funny about that? And obviously, because of Chelsea fans, even midweek chanting to Stevie that one doesn't get brought up nowhere near it's bigger in a way it's Champions League final there was still a lot to go for Stevie yeah exactly I don't know if that's something to do with in this country there's such an obsession with the league more than the Champions League and it's not the same in other countries we spoke about this on CBS in Spain it's all about the Champions League it's like, yeah, Barcelona or Real win the league but it's not like, oh, we won the league it's how you did in the Champions League and probably, I think we give our teams we don't put enough pressure on them to do better in the Champions League so if Arsenal go to the Champions League in the quarter-final and win the league no-one really cares, oh, you won the league but it's not the same in other countries there's a lot more pressure on them to do a lot better in the Champions League and maybe that's one of the reasons why that doesn't get brought up as much That'd be a good show, you could host it you could have John Terry there, Stephen Gerrard there, and talk about the misses.

54:40Yeah, slip off, yeah. A slip off, is that what we're calling it? You know, we should do like, you're right though, big round table. You know like in boxing when they do round tables and then they like smack talk each other before the fight? I feel like we should do a show like that. You there, you there, John Terry there, Stevie Jim there. I'll be like this in the middle. I find the Terry one harder because it's in the final. Yeah. Obviously it impacted Gerrard, but I'd still go, there's a lot of things that went on. That's what I think. But when people talk about things like that, Stevie's comes up, I would say, nine times out of ten.

55:13That'll probably come up once. But he still got to win it, didn't he? Even though he didn't play, put the full kit on. Don't say it. That's where it started, didn't it? Yep, Stam, Euro 2000 semi-final. I don't much remember this one. Yeah, I think he blasts it miles over the bar. I think it's a little bit like Waddles, to be honest, yeah. I wouldn't put that in because I think the next one has to go in. Yeah. This is iconic. You've only just seen it for the first time. It's already just become iconic on my first viewing of Diana Ross at the 94 World Cup opening ceremony. I can't believe this has passed me by.

55:48No, it's great. So what have you gone for then? So you can remember watching that, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. I love that World Cup, man. It's weird because England weren't in it, but it was funny kick-off times, Ireland. Yeah, it was good. I remember Hadji being unbelievable in that World Cup. Yeah, Baggio, Hadji. Stoichkov. Stoichkov, yeah. Yeah, it was good. So what have we gone for? So, at the minute, definitely, we've got David Beckham against Turkey. Oh, we've got Beckham in. Yeah, we put Beckham in. Oh, did we? With Brahim Diaz, Chris Waddle and Diana Ross, and then your options that we could add to that.

56:22We've got to get Terry in. John Terry's got to be Arsenal. You want John Terry in there? Okay, then you've got room for one more. Baggio. So it's either between Baggio or Arsenal's Henri Perez. I think Baggio. I think Baggio, yeah. Baggio? Yeah. We got it. All right. There we go. Six of the best. Super six. Super six of the best. Solid list. That was Super six. Six of the best. Don't forget to enter your Super six predictions on the app for a chance of winning£1 million. 18 plus, T's and C's apply.

56:57Well, Fleetwood's reward is a home tie against Everton. which good game for Everton last night I felt they needed that against Newcastle to be fair I felt both those clubs last night really could have done with the win it felt bigger than just a cup tie is that fair to say for both of them? I was watching it and it felt I felt it was more important for Everton the reason I say that is that I don't think Everton have got any worries about getting dragged into a relegation fight I think Newcastle will be one of those teams will be looking over the shoulder for a lot of the series I know where they are in the league right now I think they're about 8th or 9th but But I think they're going to be in the bottom half, Newcastle.

57:32They've got a lot of young players, a young manager, a lot of change, a lot of big players going. So I think actually the league game on Monday was more important for Newcastle, whereas I think these two games, I think the cup game is more important for Everton. And they were without Jack Grealish. We have to touch on it a little bit less now. We don't really know the specific reason why. David Moyes was very much like it's a club decision, so it was a breach of club disciplines. But David Moyes was like, if anybody wants to know more, ask the club, not me, sort of thing. We don't know the full details, but ultimately, didn't do them any harm last night, did it?

58:04He's a lovable rogue, is Jack, isn't he? Yeah, we all make mistakes. We do. Man City Brighton part two is coming up. Can't wait for this. I think Brighton, I watched it, I was sort of flicking between the two on Wednesday, and I couldn't believe how Brighton, they're very unlucky. They went to Anfield, played very, very well, lost the game. Not unlucky, but for a team of Brighton's level, they're going to Anfield, they're going to the Etihad, they've got to go to the Etihad again they'll probably end up with three losses this week but I guarantee they'll play really well tomorrow and I don't I was looking at something the other day because looking at United's running stats they're you know all this sort of stuff and it's like the amount of time the opposition has the ball and how quickly they get it back and the amount of actions they do per minute defensively they are like top of the league for it they've done a great job there I'm hoping that they can stay the race for the top five because I think they're such a good team and that gross I mean he's got to be player of the year brilliant we said that a few weeks ago on Monday Night football is probably up there at the minute player wise I hope they get it you always watch it everyone does no I'd love to see them get in it because I actually think Brighton haven't watched them forget their names Brighton if you watch them as a football team they should be disappointed if they don't get there if they don't get Champions League football this season I think I know it's early in the season but watching them play watching them play at Anfield, playing the Arsenal game, you know how many goals they've scored this season, the way they play.

59:32It reminds me of Jürgen Klopp football. I said on Monday Night Football, I think this is better football than De Zerbe when he was at Brighton. And he was loved, I think they finished sixth under him, and he was loved for the football. Me as a football fan, I'd rather watch Hurt's football that they're playing right now than a De Zerbe style. Both brilliant, you know, got great results for Brighton. But it's a bit more Jürgen Klopp-like, I would say, on the front foot more aggressive. And that's probably, I think, the football that most supporters in this country would like to see. So I'd love to see them get in the Champions League.

1:00:05Is it rough playing the same team in a week? Yeah, there is something strange about it. We once played Arsenal three times in six days. Oh, is that about the Champions League? So we played Wednesday night Champions League away. We then played them Saturday, 12.30 in the league. So we drew away at Arsenal Champions League 1-1. Drew in the league game 1-1 Half 12 And then played them Tuesday night At Anfield I think we won 4-2 on the night Remember Walcott scored That goal The dribble No He went on a big maze He won Walcott From the halfway line And I think that made it 2-2 So they would have gone Through and away goals And we just went Straight down the other end And scored Or got a penalty Stevie scored a penalty And then Ryan Babble Scored late on To make it 4-2 it's almost like a World Series isn't it like when you play that many games three games in a row and it must take its toll I think I was the only me and the goalie were the only for Liverpool who played it all the minutes of the three games there's a lot of changes in the midweek does it get harder with every game because you get to know the opposition better no it was it was it almost like the league game in the middle was almost like not real we weren't really good we were both in the top four already so it was almost a lot of changes getting ready for the Champions League but we beat them we had a decent record against English teams in Europe Chelsea Arsenal Man United when the ball was over the line was that one yeah goals goal yeah you won the Champions League didn't you as well once yeah switched that off I was enjoying it at half time was that the most terrible second half of your life when you look back on games there's been a few I'll probably save it for Gerrard but I was at a barbecue and there was a couple of Liverpool fans there and they were losing to West Ham and we'd already had a few and I was revelling in it and then he just whacked that in and I was just like fuck yeah but that one was horrific and it's probably the same for when we won it in 1999 it's like AC Milan are battering them it's absolutely brilliant and I know a Liverpool fan who switched it off and went out and then they came back and won it and I didn't watch the next because you lost to Milan the next time didn't you I wouldn't watch it because I actually thought you were going to win that I'm not watching that and it turned off.

1:02:24I watched United, I was in Las Vegas, yeah, with Don Matteo and my agent. Is this work or a night out? No, it was only the end of the season, so our season was done, wasn't it? They were still playing and I remember just watching it because obviously you just go through the night there, don't you? The casinos stay open, there's no clocks anywhere. You don't know what time of day it is in Vegas at all. I was devastated. Oh, God. That was a bad summer. I feel like you're thinking about it now and you're like I jumped up when they had he scored the free kick I couldn't believe it how do you want it the worst one for me is it will always be Aguero because it was on Sky Man United game had finished my mates were like put the game on QPR are doing really well I'm not watching it I'm not watching it and I turned it on on 89 minutes because they needed two I was like it's going to happen this is and then obviously Dzeko scored and I know those Palace those QPR players gave up you could see it and then the Aguero thing.

1:03:23But I don't feel as bad about it now because now I know they cheated. So now the Liverpool one's the worst one again now. And on that note, I think we'll leave it there for today. Are we done? Yeah, we're done. Yeah, okay. Love that. Thanks, boys. Thank you. It did. It went really quick today. We've almost like, what, an hour almost? Yeah, no bullying. Perfect. Cheers, mate. Thank you. Enjoyed that. I love that we leave all friends. All friends. All friends. Perfect. apart from Villa don't worry I'll sort them out Jamie it's my manor oh my god

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