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1:55Good morning, everyone. Morning, guys. Morning. How are you feeling, Tim? Good, mate. Good. What have you been up to? All right, actually, yeah. I was at... I went to Crawley last night. Crawley, Brentford, under-21s. Oh, they won 2-0, weren't they? 1-2-1. They scored like... Yeah. Good for Sam Saunders to qualify. So, Bo was on the bench, you see. But, er, it was good. I love going to games like that. Yeah. How is he, Sam Saunders? Yeah, he's great. He's done a good job. Great boy, isn't he? Yeah, he's top. Played a bit of golf with him. Really good coach. You know what he is? he gets players running.

2:24I like that about him. Yeah. You know, everyone, like, even yesterday, they had, like, quite a young squad out and still managed to get a result. You can hear him. You know, he listened to coaches and messaging and how they talk to people is big for me. You know what I mean? It's be hard for him, though. Even at a club like Brentford, you'd think, well, they're going to throw him in the first team. Yeah. Left right and centre, but it's difficult because they're going to buy the ready-made thing, don't they? Yeah, yeah. It's difficult for all kids now at every academy, but. Yeah, no, he's good.

2:48He's good. And he gives him, like, he talks, he's very modern thinking, but he still talks to him in, like, an old-fashioned way. Like, if you ain't running, he tells you. Like, he brought in a centre forward, he wasn't running as much, so I could hear him shouting at him. And I'm like, all right as well. Yeah. I mean, it's the real world. Yeah, that's it. That's what we've got to do. Someone else sent me a picture earlier on the week. He was at Tottenham Training Ground. Yeah, oh, yeah. A little picture of you. Really? Go on. Yeah, with my pal, Avery Kane. What, you think I'm trying to weasel my way in there?

3:14I know you're like his best mate. There was no Ballon d 'Or there. There was a cake. A caterpillar cake. It was a word. Listen, I know obviously we've got Huel and we've got Arne. We've got lots of different sponsorships. But there are other sponsors out there. Mark Suspenses, Tim. I'm a Mark Suspenses man. I'm calling a caterpillar. I wanted to send Harry Kane a cake door. Have you got that photo then? Harry sent me it. I don't know why he wanted it. It tasted good. Tasted good. Yeah, mate, it's Colin the Caterpillar. Best cakes in the world. But no, he was in good form. I was with... So, yeah, so what happened...

3:51Did you see any of them? Yeah, yeah, all of them. They have a media day, so everyone goes to different sections, like Nike are there, EE sponsor. I tell you who I had a lovely chat with, and I was so impressed. I've met Jude before a couple of times, and obviously, Job getting into the squad. What a fine young man. Yeah? Honestly, so impressed. 21 years of age What did you have a football chat with him? Yeah he's a football nut you know he's a real student of the game and we were chatting I've met him a couple of times I remember watching him when he played against Chelsea for Birmingham must have been like 13, 14 very slight and I stood next to him the other day and went what a specimen he's about 6 '3 like wide just like his brother another obviously good move it's a shame really when players have to go abroad to get games that's common now mate that's what they're all going to have to do but I think what you have to do though Tim is you have to credit the family what a job they've done they've brought up two incredible young men one's at Real Madrid one's at Dortmund that could now obviously lots of different options but interesting because he's a midfielder like us as well where does he see himself what is he a 6 an 8 well we were talking about I think he should be like Jude no well do you know he said that because he I think because he probably didn't want to be say necessarily like Jude and he wants to cut his own cloth and he wants to do things his way like he hasn't got like Bellingham on the back, Job on the back of his shirt.

5:14I think he thought, I'm going to be a six and maybe just to be different. But I think the manager he was saying to him has seen, because he's got great running power like his brother. When I've seen some of the games at Dortmund, he runs without the ball in tight areas. He's really good. He can go past people. It was like, it feels to me now, the manager, and he sort of said to him, get forward, run without the ball. And I think that's a gift. and use your athleticism and your skill and your goal scoring. Because what I thought to him, and you know, you're a big guy, you're 6 '2", 6 '3", but I said to him, if I'm a six and I'm marking you and you're arriving late in the box with your size and power, I'm like, this is the last thing I want.

5:57So even coming over the back of people, heading the ball, scoring goals, I think he's got a capability. And I think he can play six when he gets older because he can do that role. He's comfortable. He said, I enjoy that. He said, I'm loving getting forward. So I think he gives us another 8-10 or a 6. If you've got that attribute, why not use it? Of course. Like, Rodri can't use it. No, exactly. He's absolutely fantastic at what he does and controls the game. Exactly, but he has that flexism. No, of course not. No, you wouldn't say to him, like, go running behind, like, into that space. No. But I think nowadays with field players, Tim, do you think sometimes they pigeonhole themselves too early?

6:30Absolutely. I think the best players are the ones who can play 6, 8, 10. They can do all of it, but they're just asked to be restricted in a position by certain managers. But they can do everything. They understand it as well, which is really key. Because then that six can whip that ball into the eight, and he runs forward with it, bursts lines with movement as well. Because he can dribble, Jude, can't he? Yeah. And Jope. They can both dribble with a ball. They're powerful. I wouldn't want to chase them. It ain't only about passing lines and breaking lines with passes. Also, with their movement, I couldn't dribble.

6:59I could dribble, but I wouldn't fancy myself to get away from anyone. but them two look like they're capable of doing it. And you know what else Tim really struck me? Not just top players, but top lads. Really good, very bright. They've been brought up incredibly well. So yeah, fair play, quite a job. Calvin Klein, isn't he? Yeah, looks good, doesn't he? You've never been asked to do that one? No, I didn't quite have the downstairs bit to do that to him. The equipment?

7:27Is that part of the job? Yeah, I think so.

7:33Hello again with another Overlap Daily brought to you by SkyVegas, keeping the entertainment going even when the action on the pitch stops. Coming up on today's show, we'll be joined by Peter Smeichel, where we'll be talking about Manchester United, Michael Carrick, Mauricio Pochettino, England and much, much more.

8:06So we're joined by Peter Smychel, the great name Peter. Good to see you, mate. So there's a meeting today in Monaco, as you know, between the Manchester United hierarchy that's taken place about Michael Carrick's future. We don't know too much as yet, but it's expected that he won't be in the dugout for the trip to Liverpool. As I say, this is all speculation, but it feels the fact they're going over there. What's your first thoughts and how do you feel? Do you feel sympathy for Michael Carrick? How do you think this is going to play out? Yeah, I do absolutely do feel sympathy for him. I think the way this is playing out is very disrespectful to him.

8:45If I'm honest, I don't think he's doing anything wrong. I know the team that he's in charge of is where they are in the table, but I don't put all of that on him. There are so many things that have been going on at Manchester United. literally since Alex and David Gill left the club and it's never been corrected. It's been not the correct people, not the right people in charge and slowly, slowly, it's just gone worse and worse and worse. And if you think about this transfer window now, it's abundantly clear to everyone, everyone who knows just a little bit about football, that Manchester United needed defenders.

9:27They've gone through a whole transfer window without signing a single defender. There was a little bit of talk about Lewis Hall joining the club or going for Lewis Hall. That didn't happen. And so they brought three midfield players. And we know, because we've been in the game for so many years, we know that you can't. I mean, you can't win a game. If you can see 30 goals in 10 games, then there is a problem. And that was not addressed. Now, was Michael Carrick in on those decisions? well it took them forever for absolutely forever to give him the job so i don't think i suspect he wasn't in any of those discussions about who to sign uh up until the point he got uh named as manager so yes i do feel a lot of sympathy for michael i think it's i actually think what is happening is wrong i i think we should stick with michael i think we should you know just just try mind-steady the ship a little bit and then get into January and then sign the players that he feels that he needs to bring the team forward and then be realistic about what this season is all about.

10:37Obviously, it's about climbing as high as Manchester United can in the table. So you wouldn't change anybody, Peter? You'd stay with Michael Carrick till January? Pochettino has obviously been mentioned. You would rather stick with Michael Carrick right now? But I don't see the point. I don't see the point of doing it. Really don't, because we've tried it before. We've been there. We've done that. We've had managers. Then we've gone for one big name to the next big name. And then we tried somebody from the club. Then we tried the sort of middle of the road success for the one club, nothing else in other clubs.

11:17Then we tried the bright new talent in coaching. and then we went back to a club person again. It's not worked. I mean, for me it's clear. It's not about the coach, head coach or the manager. It's not about that. It's about people, the people who decide how the money is being spent. And what we know now from 13 years of not having Fergie in the club, not having David Gill in the club, is that the money that we have spent has not been spent very well. So since Ten Hag, that's just an example, since Ten Hag in 2023, we spent£770 million. No, I mean, come on. Yeah, and a champion defence. So they've spent the money.

12:06They're not shy of spending the money. Well, I would agree with you. Keep hold of Michael Carrick. If you can't find a replacement who's going to be the driver of the club, whoever goes in now is going to have to have all the power. A little bit similar to De Zerbi at Tottenham. Completely a mind shift of how they do their business. Now they've gone in there, they've given him the keys, they let him crack on with running the football club. He's making all the footballing decisions. I think there possibly should be a change if they can find that man. If Pochettino is that man and he's used to working with, should I say difficult, Jay, or whatever you want to call Daniel Levy, it was within a structure and he made it a success relatively.

12:45I know he's not winning stuff like Man United expect, but from where you are now, Pete, in a relegation battle, I think he's a big improvement, and I think he can move and steady the ship, but he has to be the driver. He has to be the one taking control. I firmly believe they won't make another mistake, Pete. The next man who comes in there will be running the whole shebang. It has to be the case. Yeah, I find that very hard to believe that that's going to be the scenario. And that's going to be the picture. I find that very, very hard to think that the people in charge now with all the power is going to lend that power to somebody else.

13:27I just can't see that happening. Just can't. They won't be there. For me, they will not be there, Pete. So you don't think... I think Michael Carrick, if Michael Carrick leaves, he goes with Barada, he goes with Wilcox, he goes with Vivelle, the head of recruitment. I think all of them have to go. Ratcliffe is not stupid. He's a very astute businessman. Now, he's made some poor decisions. He can't let the people in charge keep making the poor decisions. In the end, he's going to have to make a change. He's a good businessman. It doesn't make him a good football man. None of his teams do well, Tim.

14:02But he's put their people in, in their place. And trust in them. He wants their trust. He wants their expertise. Because they're from the footballing background. So you think that they should go? Well, they've got it wrong too many times now. What's their fourth manager? If they employ... They won't let him... Why should you let them employ a new manager? Give it to someone else to be able to do that. Whoever that man is going to be, I don't know. And I don't... When's he actually going to get sacked? Surely Ratcliffe has to come to the building and look the man in the eye and sack him. You know, this meeting, I think, I believe, has been planned for a long time now.

14:38It's not just, oh, we're going to have to have a... It's not an emergency meeting. So it looks like Michael's already been sacked. He's been tried publicly. You know, everyone's looking, the fact that he's not going to be there anymore. You've had that situation, Tim, at Tottenham. How difficult is that for Michael? Because you're playing everything out. Everyone on social media, he's probably looking at his phone. He's gone into the training ground this morning. You had that at Tottenham, and then Pochettino came in after you. Did you know that was going to happen, or was that always the plan?

15:05It was always the plan. I signed a contract for 18 months. I ended up being there until the end of the season did okay the club wanted me to stay go back to my old position of developing the players but I was I did alright so it was an opportunity for me to go somewhere else it turned out to be a great decision for the club you know not you know they looked at Pochettino or what he was doing at Southampton and thought he's a better fit than the man who's gone in there me and did okay so I had no problem with that but you just what you do Jay you just get on with it I don't feel sorry for Michael Carrick.

15:40He knows the job. I think it's important we establish it. Like, Michael, I'm not sure, and I had a conversation with Michael, and I've not wanted to say it, because obviously it looks like the speculation is going to be losing his job. I remember seeing him in Ireland, he'd be over there with his son at the milk cup, and he said, hey, enjoying your manager. I don't really know if I want to get back into management. Next thing is the Man United manager. So he's there, but also from his point of view, like he's not going to come out empty. How does it work? But when you're relinquished of your duties, you get paid up.

16:10You obviously got paid up at Tottenham when you left. When you leave, you get paid up. Yeah, when you get paid up. Unless it's a mutual agreement or you resign. How much did I give you when you left? Too much. Too much. I wish. Tim, can I just say one thing about you? You said you don't feel sorry for Michael. I understand what you're saying. Because that is the nature of the job these days. you know you the lifespan of a manager or head coach is 14 months so you go into that line of business you expect that this is going to happen you are going to get sacked and then you move on to the next one yeah my point here is i think it's disrespectful to michael the way they're doing it so if they if they're looking for somebody else then relieve the man of his duties don't let him come into training yesterday he took training yesterday how how disrespectful is that but someone's got how do you think this fella i mean he's a human being he's a very very good human being by the way yeah he's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet in your lab and obviously you two know him well so so treat the guy with respect tell him sorry mate yeah we don't think that you are the future here yeah here you here's a check move on yeah but they're not doing that They're jockeying it out.

17:24Do you think he should get treated differently because he's a legend of the club? Do you think, because he's a legend of the club and we know what he did as a player, he should get treated differently to Ten Hag, to Ruben Amarin? Because they were all in the same boat, mate. He didn't just go in one day and then all of a sudden they said, you're sacked. They read about it for months. It was the same scenario. It's the same for any manager. Man United is bigger than anyone. But, because we read about it and everyone wants to hear about it. But it's the same every club you go to. You read, you're going to get sacked.

17:55This man's going to come in. You're reading about it along the line. It's not just, don't just walk in and it happens. Michael has to keep on and do his job what he's paid for. And that is why he's at Carrington this morning and yesterday. No, I understand that. But this has been going on for weeks and weeks and weeks. Now, you come up to this point now, international break. If they're sure they're going to make a change, make the bloody change. you know what's the point of dragging him through that and and and on the point of he's a club legend do you think these people know do you think they care these people are not man united people you know they don't understand what it's like to be one of man united people they don't know that this is you know obviously part of the broader issue here part of the the reason the club is where they are now.

18:46But I'm not saying I feel sorry for Michael, but I'm a little bit angry at how this great football club is treating one of its greatest players. Simple as that. I want to ask you a question, because obviously Tim's mentioned it there. He thinks if Michael goes, they also think Omar Barada will go and Jason Wilcox. I think you've been quite vocal on this. Would that be something that you'd be happy with? Because you feel he's not just a manager, because with directors of football, they bring in the players and obviously a lot of them haven't been good enough. So do you think that that should be the case as well for those two to go?

19:22Who would you like if they did? There needs to be big changes at Manchester United. And what has happened is that Jim and Dave Brailsford, actually, when they first came in, they came in with a decent plan. And the idea was to involve certain people in the development of Manchester United. And their plan was quite, as I say, quite good. Then they employed, Jim employed Omar Baredi as a CEO. He then went off with his plan and he's employed six other people in very important positions, all recruited from Manchester City. Now, we are not Manchester City. They've done really well with how they've developed their football club.

20:06We're not Manchester City. We are a special club. We do things in key with our traditions, our culture, our history means a lot. The people inside of the club are people who, they know how special it is, so they help, just like as an example, they will help new players coming in, understanding what the club is. It's not a company where you can just chop and change. means Manchester United is all about people and all about the fans and and I think that's been kind of overlooked and probably in an attempt to make it a better business and I to to my in my opinion it hasn't worked and therefore I'm with Tim I think there needs to be changes but I don't think the changes will come because i don't what's jim going to do then you know he's going to sack his manager he's going to sack you know his whole staff and then what you know where's the club then pochettino comes in if it's pochettino i'll come on to ask you pete if you think pochettino is a good fit for for the club pete but do you think pochettino will come in alone i think pochettino comes in with men he's worked with previously.

21:31Paul Mitchell is one, what comes to mind to me. Worked with him at Southampton, worked with him at Tottenham, brought some very good players. They had success together. He could come in with a sporting director. And I think he's available at the moment. He just left Monaco. So that could be the answer if they come in with someone. Like we say, Pochettino is going to have to be the one who takes control. He's not going to go to that club. There's no way he will go to that club if he hasn't got full control. Why would he? Then they might as well just go and get someone else or leave Michael in place.

22:05If you're going to get a top manager, do you think Pochettino's a top manager for that job? So far... That's no. Well, it's an unknown because we've tried the same level as Pochettino. Now, when we went for Van Gaal, Mourinho, even Ten Hag even Ruben Amarine they came in as winning managers they have taken teams to win their leagues, they've taken teams to win trophies and I think Pochettino for as much as I like him he lacks in that department so I mean if it goes wrong early on, I mean I can just foresee that this club is going to get even worse because the pressure from the fans, we've seen that in the last couple of home games, the pressure now on the owners, on Jason Wilcox and Uma Baredi as well.

23:05We've seen how much pressure there are on them now. If it goes wrong early on, I mean, if you're not used to that, if you can't, I don't know. I don't know Pochettino well enough. My point is completely different. I don't think now is the moment to change the manager. For me, now is the moment to steady the ship. Steady the ship by bringing people in who understand the club. I'm more with you there, Tim, on changing up the chain of command and then just supporting Michael and then see what he can bring it to. I don't think we'll get into a validation scrap. I don't think that at all. We score enough goals.

23:47We make some good defensive signings in January and we'll cut down on conceding goals. And then we will get enough points to at least be mid-table. And I think we should be realistic about that. I don't think we have the team, I don't think we have the personnel to finish top four again and then qualify for the Champions League next season. You said something there about you need people to understand the club. I genuinely, I was at Liverpool, we had a very similar problem, where there was so much success, it took 30 years for Liverpool to win a Premier League title again. And one of the mistakes I think that Liverpool made, and I think Man Utd are making the same ones, is it's stuck in the past.

24:31I think everything now, we talk about Ferguson, you talk about they have to understand the club. When Jurgen Klopp went to Liverpool, he didn't understand the club, he just understood football, he understood people. He brought in Michael Edwards from Bournemouth, who'd worked at Tottenham as well, who's very good at recruitment. That's the level you have to go to. Manchester United have to try, easier said than done, but find their Jurgen Klopp. The fact that it's got to be in Manchester United DNA or they've got to be someone that's worked at the club. They just have to buy better players and have to get the best in class and whoever the best manager is.

25:00And right now, whether they've worked at Man City or Blackburn, it's irrelevant. It doesn't really matter. They've just got to be great and they've got to find that person. Otherwise, this is going to be the cycle you're in for the next 10, 15 years, and you'll just keep sacking managers, sacking sporting directors, and it will end up an absolute vicious mess. But by giving Pochettino the reins, I think, and letting him have an opportunity to do it his way, it's almost irrelevant. Man Utd, like, Ferguson is gone. He was amazing. The time that Manchester United had was absolutely fantastic, but it's a different era now.

25:35You know, and managers have to be backed and they have to be given the opportunity a little bit like Unai Emery to Aston Villa. Otherwise, it's just going to end up in another mess. Unai and Unai. It makes a lot of sense when you're saying it like that, but I still disagree a little bit because I think it is important. It's important to have an identity. It's important to understand who you are. And when you look at our history, Manchester United's history, we've had two periods of incredible success. And both periods have been built on a foundation of producing from within. And I think that's been catastrophically neglected at Manchester United.

26:12We're not bringing players through. Why are we not bringing players through when that's been part of our DNA? Every club's like that, mate. Yeah, I know. But when you say every club... And I know Man United is special. No, no. But, Tim, when you say every club, yeah, of course it's every club. But what is wrong with producing your own players? Why are you, as Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal, all of these clubs, why are you relying on other clubs to produce those players? Why do you not produce them yourself? I don't understand that. I don't understand when you have capable people who can produce football players.

26:50You have an area in the Northwest that traditionally produces a lot of talent. Why not spend some energy on doing that? Instead of the quick fix, for me, it's again, it is an attempt to fix something very, very quickly. I'm of the opinion now that you need to take a step back and not look at Manchester United as someone who's supposed to win the Premier League. Our first job should be to get ourselves organized correctly and understand who we are and what it is that we're supposed to do. And then you form a plan and you stick to that plan. And in that plan, I think we should be producing players.

27:35I think we should produce players that come through our academy, that are educated in Manchester United 2026 going forward, not necessarily 1991 or 1986, not stuck in the past in modern-day football. I'm not saying that we should do traditionally what we did back in the 60s or in the 90s, but there are certain elements of our success, how it was built, that we can still use and where we can still be different to any other club. And it takes a lot of patience. And I don't think that managers these days, I mean, Pochettino comes in, what's what's to say that he breaks the pattern of 14 months what what i mean he he's not in charge of that you might give him the keys you might give him control over everything but at the end of the day the guy that sits above him determines how long he's going to stay so if he's unhappy with what he's doing even though that in the long run what he starts what he started will have a positive effect then he goes so in so in my book we need to keep we need to look up the chain of command and we need to get the right people in who understands everything about manchester united and and we can argue from now on until the the cows come in manchester united is a special club for everything that goes on right now and it's been going on for a long time is reported everywhere in the world on a daily basis it doesn't happen to many clubs maybe Liverpool maybe Real Madrid maybe Barcelona Bayern Munich but not many other clubs apart from that and that is why we need to look at ourselves we need to we need to understand who we are and why we are doing what we're doing and I don't think that that's happening at the moment and that's why I don't believe that it you know it's just being fixed with with Potichino or someone else just coming in and getting the keys and can let let this person do whatever he feels like because we tried it unfortunately we have tried it and it's not worked peter thank you for joining us as always mate pleasure mate thank you look forward to seeing you soon this episode is sponsored by huel official nutrition partner of overlap daily tim it's that time again in partnership with huel you and i are going to discuss one less thing in football i'll read some of the comments like some people were not really having the getting the fans going last week they didn't like it they said yeah they said it's a good thing why is it a good thing yeah I don't know I mean it's a good thing if you're 2-0 up or something like that it ain't a good thing if you're like getting beat 3-0 and then you'll tell the fans to come and support you I just felt maybe when you said it should be a straight red it was maybe a little bit maybe it should be a yellow yellow a bit yellow yeah yellow possibly how did you feel when you watched that Liverpool game with the feigning injury and you saw the McAllister well a grown man and throwing yourself on the floor.

30:36Yeah. Just, Medweke. Yeah. Disgraceful. What McAllister was? Disgraceful. Right. You thought that strongly about it? Unless you start booking the players who are diving like that. Retrospectively, you've got to go to them, Jay. They're going to continue doing it. Unfortunately, that's what's going to happen. But what I don't like, what is Medweke doing? Well, that's what I was going to say, Tim. I actually think, I was listening to everyone on Sunday after the game and everyone's going, what's he doing, McAllister, having a game? He should be, that should be yeah I get all of that but if I'm Mikel Arteta I am fuming with Maduweki you're 1-0 up at Anfield he speaks about it being like you're getting put in a tumble dryer he decides to put his head to McAllister whether he touched him a little bit or not enough that's not the point you're risking you saw it with Yarmuluk you saw it with Benton Court absolutely brainless from Maduweki he could have cost his team there's still a load of time for Liverpool to win that game and you know what it's like at Anfield once it switches you've got 10 men you're hanging on.

31:35I couldn't believe that no one really mentioned Maduweki. Absolutely ridiculous for him to get involved in that situation because that's the rule. Because Luke Shaw is not really going to hurt him. And even the Yarmuluk situation, that wasn't a big enough one. But Maduweki for me, like McAllister, ridiculous. We've got to stamp it out of the game. But what is Maduweki doing? I agree with you. I agree with you. And I'm sure Mikel has seen it. And he would speak to him. You know, you put yourself on offer. I mean, I remember the one which was great. when Gabriel with big man Erlen Haaland, remember that?

32:09Yeah, of course. That could have ended Arsenal's hopes there. But Haaland stayed on his feet. Yeah. And he took a big bang to the nose there. But it ain't going to knock him over. But he just reacted. He didn't want to go down. He didn't want to throw himself down. He just stood up to it and looked straight in the eye. And he was like, was that it? I love that. I love that. But it's probably not winning the game. You know, if he gets Gabriel sent off there, they probably win the game. I think that was, for me that was a pivotal moment in the deciding of the title. Yeah. But this one we're going head to head because I've never really, when have you ever seen a proper fight break out in football?

32:46Hard ever. And everyone goes like that, you know what I mean? It's like handbags. You go way back, aren't you? Well you saw one with Batty. Batty and Lesseau, yeah. That was a good one. Champions League, Moscow. Did you, was it difficult to not, how hard was that not to laugh? It was, it weren't funny at the time. I really felt for Ray Hartford who took over from Kennedy. Where were you, Russia or somewhere? It felt freezing cold. Yeah, it was like freezing and minus 10 or whatever. And we weren't even in the game, you know. We were just getting it popped around us. And then it just flared up out of nowhere.

33:14You know, I think it was a throw on. They both went for the ball and then Batty threw the ball back at him. And the next thing I turned around, just swinging punches, throwing punches at each other. They're getting in between them to stop it. You know, but never carried on. Half time, went in there, it was over. It was done. I think David broke his hand. Did he? Yeah. What, he tried to hit him? Yeah, I think he's caught him and he's broke a bone in his hand, you know, because it was so cold. I mean, it was freezing. But yeah, it was a little bit, you know, he didn't laugh. To be honest, it's funny when you look back at it now.

33:43But you're talking about two very, very good players there. Yeah. And whenever anyone sees them, they always mention that to them. If they're of an age, they'll say, what about when you had a fight in Moscow? I know. They had careers. They had careers. They had great careers. Both top players. So that's one less thing we would like to have in football, and that is feigning injury. Feigning injury. Yeah, done. Is it a straight red? Yeah, that one, the nut on the head with no force going down. I think, retrospectively even, they should get back. Oh, it is one for you then. What about if they had sent off McAllister and Madweke?

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36:40Welcome to Primetime Play, brought to you by Sky Vegas. Now, Tim, I don't know, but, yeah, you've got four girls. You strike me as a Kardashian fan. Is that fair enough? I'm not sure I'm a fan. I know quite a bit about them. Reason being, there's a lot of discussion around Kim Kardashian's new legal drama series, All's Fair. Many are saying, this is nice, many are saying it's the worst TV series ever. But they've dropped a second series because they reckon they can make it even worse this time. I ain't seen it, I have to be honest. I ain't missing nothing by the sounds of it. Really? But what about sequels?

37:11Is there some shows that have done sequels that should never have done sequels? and she left at one. Have you got anything at mind, Tim? Anything jumps out of you? Yeah. Go on. Home Alone. Wow. And he gets a Christmas period. I think they ended up doing five or something stupid like that. Yeah, because he can't keep leaving him at home, can you? No, but they changed him. I know. They have a geezer. Macaulay Colton, whatever his name is. Yeah, Macaulay, yeah. I mean, first him in the first two and then they stopped using him. Yeah, that's a bit hard. They changed the rest of the... I mean, mate, It was just dragging the life out of it, wasn't it?

37:46Yeah. Do you know what? I've got one for you. Breaking Bad. Oh, really? It was one of the best TV shows I've ever seen. And then they did Better Call Saul. You know, he was the lawyer guy, wasn't he, that tried to get him out, looked after him. I started watching it, but there's so many of them, Josh. I'll give it a go. I can't watch it. Go back into it. Too many. No, I know, but Breaking Bad. I won't be here by the end of it. But no, Breaking Bad, you've got to watch... You've got to watch at least six episodes. Once you get into that, it's one of the best TV shows ever. It's like Sopranos. You watch Sopranos?

38:15Yeah, I've seen that, yeah. Do you like it? Yeah. See, Sopranos is number one for me, and Breaking Bad is probably close second. Yeah. Really good. Landman. Love Landman. Yeah. Billy Bob Thornton, how good is he in that? Amazing. I want a second series, but I'm a little bit worried because the first series was so good that the second series doesn't live up to the hype. Yeah. Just bends, isn't it? So Breaking... So you didn't like... What was it? You didn't like Home Alone? Home Alone, no. No. Because I've got to be honest, When you think about it... Home Alone 1, yeah, cool. Everyone loved that.

38:46But if it comes second... If you get Home Alone 2, then you've got to start calling social security, if that happens again, that's bad parenting. Yeah, but Home Alone 5, he was like 24. I know. You know what I mean? What's the point of leaving him in the doors 24? Strolling around New York. Yeah, exactly. All right, so that's a fair one. Can you guess which top movies on IMDb have received the worst follow-up scores on their sequels? Are they old films? Yeah, you'll get one. I'll give you a little clue. Jaws. Jaws. 100%. Yeah, terrible. 100%. What about Jaws 3, when they had it and it was in the glass?

39:25Remember that one? Was it Jaws 3? That one was it. Jaws 2, I can't remember. Oh, it comes through. Even now when I watch Jaws, it's scary though, isn't it? One? Yeah, terrible. But how bad, how rubber is that? Next time you go in the sea, right, go in a little bit deeper. I don't like going too deep. And then just play the Jaws music in your head. and then try not to get scared. It's not easy. What, in Bournemouth? At Bournemouth Beach, mate. A few sharks down there. A few sharks down there. And Speed. Speed was the other one. Oh, was it? Yeah, Speed with Keanu Reeves. You've not seen Speed 1?

39:56Nah. Well, 1 was on the bus. Is that right when he was on the bus? And it couldn't slow down because it had a bomb on it, so he had to keep going 70 miles an hour. Oh, my God. That being said, Tim, is there a guilty pleasure that you'd defend? It's like the Kardashians, for instance. Is that something that you've ever watched? I have watched it. I have watched it and I think it warrants it to keep going back to it you know because they do change life's quite hectic aren't they yeah you know so there's always something to look at um uh guilty pleasure league of their own maybe some of those mugs on there keep taking the characters which is fucking hell how the fuck have I not ever been on that I know because no one knows me no So you'd have been good on that.

40:43You'd have got us all cancelled, Darby. Honestly, we've done more not to get cancelled on this so far, haven't we? How many have you done? What, League of the Road? We did 20 series. You still did it? Is it done now? No, we're not doing it anymore. Okay, well. Yeah. It's good, though. One of the best things I've ever done. I bet. Yeah, I'd have a laugh. Great characters on that. So that would be like Guilty Pleasure. I think someone should bring it back. You know who should bring it back? Gary Neville. There's only one man for that job. Gary Neville. Bring it back. Thank you, Sky Vegas. We'll catch up next week with another Primetime Play.

41:19It was great talking to Pete, and you could see, I don't know, a sense of frustration, anger, disappointment, sadness almost, because he doesn't want to see, obviously, Michael Carrick get sacked. But the one thing that obviously makes a lot of sense, because he loves that club, but the only thing I find a little bit difficult to understand is he's got to have that Man United DNA. But they've tried that to him. Well, that's why Michael's there as a manager, isn't it? Face it. He's there because he's been there as a legend, as a player. You know, right at Millersboro, but it doesn't qualify you to go and be the manager of Manchester United.

41:55They've tried Solskjaer. They've tried Carrick. They've tried Ryan Giggs. Van Nistelrooy. They've been there. They've done that. And they've had people in the background. You know, with Fletcher. And they've had Johnny Evans there in the background as well. I mean, some of these guys are not qualified to be sporting directors. I go back to it, Jay. I don't think this is necessary to have a sporting director. I think you need a head of recruitment. I mean, Christopher Vivel, his name is, he gets let off the hook. No one even mentions his name. We're always mentioning Jason. I don't even know what he looks like.

42:25He's a German guy. He's been around. He's been at a few clubs. He's head of recruitment. He had a playing career which spanned about 80 games for a League 5 team. Can I throw one player at you? and this is no disrespect to the boy because he's not a bad player but whoever bought in Andre Santos that for me is a sackable offence. He is not a Man United player. He's a decent player. He's okay. But you've got, they bought Tielemans just after it. What makes them think, okay, I'm going to get two midfield players. When I've got Maynou there, three very similar players that haven't got any athleticism to get round the pitch.

43:01No, I'm with you, mate. 100%. Ville was at Chelsea though so he might have known him from that deal and then taken him. But even worse then, because I'd let him off the hook if he didn't know him. Of course. But you knew him. Of course. It's not necessary. It weren't their priority. Their priority surely had to be the defender. I watched their game at the weekend. You said they had a championship. A championship. Is that a relegation? Is he going into a relegation fight if Pochettino gets it? Dallo, Maguire, Heaven. Oh, Dallo's even worse playing left back. Yeah. Yoro. Yoro. Whatever you do. What's wrong with De Ligt?

43:31He's been fit now for about two months. Well, I'm not sure. He's an international footballer. Why are they not putting him in? What's that? No one's even asked him this question. I mean, Dillip must surely be knocking on the door saying, how can I not play in this team? Come on. You know, to Michael. Surely. I mean, these boys playing in front of him. I don't care how old they are. I think they're terrified. I really don't care. I don't even think they've got the character. A lot of the players there I think are terrified to actually go and play. They're making the goalkeeper terrible now. I mean, last year he came in, he was absolutely fantastic.

44:01You know why he was good? He was kicking the ball forward, right? He was getting it out of his feet and he was kicking it off his left foot, off his right foot. All right, they might have had Sesco up there. You ain't got to win the first one. I know they ain't got Sesco, they've got Umbermo up there, but win the second one. Be in a position too. They had to all drop him back, their build up is so slow. They can't play, they don't want to play, like you said, character-wise. They've got the balls to go and get the ball in difficult areas. They ain't got the ability to do that, first and foremost, but if you ain't got the character to do it, even worse.

44:29You know where I feel sorry, and you've been a manager, I didn't fancy it. but when I look at say Lenny Yoro heading the ball against his own bar the other day or the keeper touch it like that is not Michael Carrick's fault I mean some of the players like the elementary mistakes they're making because they're not they can't all be that bad but every mistake you make can't be terminal and it is when you're having a bad time at Man United now especially when you're a midfield player if you give the ball away you think your defenders might get you out of trouble no you give the ball away in the midfield now at the Chelsea one You know, they give the ball away.

45:04Yeah, they run the length of the fish. They just run it straight into your goal. No one's getting you out of trouble because they're backing off. They're backing off. It's terrible. The whole structure is terrible. When Roy Keane, if he lost it in midfield, which is obviously not very often, or Paul Scholes, you never felt once for one second that ball would end up the back of the net because they'd have, like, Palace or Bruce or whoever was going to protect them and, like, defend for their life. Yeah, it's that. You know, that is the thing now. Look at that, you know, that back four. or say if we talk about those seven players that they have at his disposal, and this is only going to be the same for the new manager coming in, whether it's Pochettino or whoever it is, he somehow has to make a back four, back five, including the keeper, out of that team.

45:45Now, when he went to Tottenham, Pochettino, that was one of the best Tottenham sides we've all seen. He had Alderweireld, he had Vertonghen, Walker, Danny Rose. I mean, that's a back four. You've got a real... By the front of that, he had... Wanyama no Eric Dier and the two centre-halves used to split and Eric used to drop in so they were free they were free at the back in possession that is what you could do there at United but that needs work you need to be able to get the legs first and foremost he'll go in there and he'll say right double sessions that's what we're doing and it's all about the collective it's all about the team with Pochettino I worry for I don't worry for him because he would go on he's a brilliant player but I think in January if it was to be Pochettino, Bruno, we'd have to find a new home.

46:34There you go. He said, this ain't about you. It's about Man United. It has to be about Man United now. You know, Peter said it there. They labelled it. You know, he's not won anything. He's never won. Well, he won at PSG. He won at PSG. The argument was anyone wins at PSG, but that's not always the case. He was fantastic. He took it where they were, regular in the Champions League. Never with finances either. They didn't really pay, they didn't spend a lot of money. No, and there was one season, I think it was 2008. Didn't spend any money. No, in both windows. Never spent a penny. But he also looked over the fence of the academy.

47:09You know, like Peter's saying there, give them an opportunity. You know, there is a chance. There was a few players he put up. Ryan Mason, you know, was a fantastic player for him. And he continued with Harry Kane after he rehearsed. Do you think he'll look at, because right now, the one player, we don't know, sometimes a young player comes in, he was fantastic in the Champions League night And Lacey, when he came on the other day, he plays with no fear. He's got that sort of scouse confidence. I've played with lots of players like that from Liverpool area. They just get on the ball, want it. They take it in tight areas.

47:42Would you go now and say to... If you're Pochettino going in, would you go, I'll have him in my team? 100%. It's twofold. I think the boy deserves this opportunity. And also, it lifts the punters straight away. The fans are on the up. They're thinking he's one of our own onto that pitch. And he ain't going to let you down. He sees that pass. That pass he makes in the Champions League game. Oh, what a pass. It's a great pass. It's a couldn't. You know, he's an eye of a needle. He knows exactly the weight he needs to put on it. Yeah. Look, he's still got to develop. And I think with Pochettino, he'll make him develop.

48:10That individual development can't stop when you're in the first team. They have to continue working on their trade. And someone like Lacey can be a little bit predictable when he chops on his left foot, swinging in. But what's Diallo doing any different to him? So play him. Play him. It's different if you've got a superstar in his position who's keeping him out. And you can half understand it. the old hands up and say, I have to wait my turn. But Lacey must be looking at Diallo and think, why am I getting a chance? Yeah. You know, I've looked at, obviously we've followed this. It's been difficult for Michael Carrick, because for the last, you know, since we started the Overlap Daily, it's been like the Michael Carrick Daily.

48:42Like, is he going? When's he going? And now, the managers that were getting spoken about, we felt Emery would be the number one choice, and Eddie Howe. I think they were, I said a few weeks ago, I thought, is there two runners? But does it feel like Pochettino's just come out of the pack, and now... I think he's put his head... How can that be the case? You know, they say, oh, old Son, it's Pochettino there. Oh, and it's only seven million to get him out of his USA contract. Surely they would have planned it. Do you know how much they've spent on managers in the last... How long has it been? Since Ferguson.

49:16Since Ferguson. Luke said it over now. Now they've got over a hundred million pounds they've had to pay managers. It's an average player, isn't it, these days? Yeah, I guess so. but these aren't average managers, Tim. They're average managers and they've all failed. All failed. They've all gone there and failed because they're not in control. The next manager, 100%, Jay, has to have full control of the football operations. Has to. Can you build a club around Pochettino? He did it at Tottenham. Put it this way, we're talking about two managers. Unai Emery's not leaving, I believe, I said it weeks ago, he won't leave Villa where he's got the full control to go to Manchester United.

49:54He's in total control. He played it beautifully though, haven't he got a new contract coming? Yeah, perfect time. Hot, my team blinder. The old shaking hand. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love it. But I don't think he will. So there's two runners, isn't there? At the moment, we have to say it's Eddie Howell or it's Maurizio. There's just something about Maurizio which edges it for me. What is it? And it's charisma. He's got a bit of a swagger. It's probably the suit. And that shouldn't make a difference. But he's smart. He looks the part. He looks like he's a tough man. Eddie looks like he will cooperate.

50:26If he wants to become that manager at the Newcastle, it's a huge club, but you think the fact that he's a tracksuit manager has gone against him? Yeah. Really? And that should not be the case, and that sounds incredibly poor, but yeah, I genuinely believe that. I think he's feeling a bit, Eddie. I think he would fancy it. And he could do the job. I wouldn't fancy it. And he could do the job, but I think Eddie, perhaps to the Man United fans who are looking in at the situation now and they're waiting for their next man. I don't think... I think Eddie would go in and work with Wilcox and Barada.

51:02I think he would. Right. I don't think Pochettino would. I think Pochettino would go in there, a bit like the Zerbe at Tottenham, and say, I'm having full control here. Whatever you've done in the past, you need to rip up and start again because you need to give me nearly£400 million, like they've done at Tottenham, and let me sign who I want to sign. and whoever I don't want, you need to get rid of them as quickly as possible. That's exactly what Tottenham have done. It's chalk and cheese to the club I knew and that change has to be made now at Manchester United. 100%. Has to be the change. If they're going to change the manager, Michael Carrick, they've got to.

51:37And as much as he's my pal, you can't make decisions like they've been making. Wilcox has to go. Barada has to go. Vivelle, head of recruitment, has to go. Wilcox has to go. No, he would say it himself. Look, I know him well enough. He can do without this. He can do without this. I know. He can do without this. I look at him. It's the best job in the world if it goes right. Of course. It's the worst job in the world. I look at Omar Barada and Jason. They are almost, their jacket is so high. And every time something happens, it flashes to them. They're celebrating. It's like, I think probably if Jason Wilcox goes to Monaco and then Jim Ratcliffe says to him, look, Jason, thanks for everything.

52:19because when people say, oh, he's like, even Peter Smeichel said it, oh, he's been at Blackburn, he's at Man City, he's not Man... He will be devastated as it worked out. You don't go there and think, I'm Man City, I'm going to try and mess up Man City. Ridiculous. Whoever thinks that, it's ridiculous. He has gone in there hoping and thinking, I can turn this around. But it hasn't worked. And so, I think they'll be quite relieved. I know Barbarada's obviously had a lot on his plate as well with the Man City stuff. They'd probably be going okay. I think you're right. I think you're right. I think if he said, look, we've got to relieve you of your duties, we're going to obviously make a change with the manager as well, but who's going to then go back?

52:56I think it should be Ratcliffe. Ratcliffe can't do it on the phone. He has to then leave Monaco. He has to go back to Manchester. He has to sit in front of Michael Carrick and say, we're going to make a change. Or he says, we're not going to make a change. We're going to keep it to the end of the season. But if he keeps him, he keeps them too. If he doesn't keep him, then they have to change it. I think Pochettino's got an opportunity now to come in and maybe Paul Mitchell, who he's worked with before, who knows the job. You're very confident with Paul Mitchell's match. I am. I think he's available.

53:26Would that be your... You know, like we talk about, okay, what's in his entree? What do you think he's got to get? What he's got to do now? Would you go get Paul Mitchell in? That'd be your first one. Paul Mitchell, when he was at Southampton, made some great signings for him. And worked to bring the parameters. Wanyama would have been why he bought in from Southampton, didn't he? Yeah, but even better, when he went to Tottenham, what we recognise, Older-Vereld, one of the best signings I've ever made. Yongmin Son wow what a player he was and these are all Paul Mitchell's men Eric Dier you know these guys have come in and they've been wonderful signings Dele Alli you know they're all Paul Mitchell they're all Paul Mitchell and he worked hand in hand with Maurizio and he left Tottenham because they supposedly had a fallout with Daniel Levy in the end and that's where it fell down but I think he's available now he's been around he's been in Monaco as well maybe Monaco yeah yeah Yeah.

54:16Maybe he might. I'll tell you what's amazing, though. You know, we've not mentioned once. I had this discussion with Gary Neville years ago, and we had that, look at me when I'm talking to you one. Yeah. And he said about... You wouldn't say that again to him, would you? No, I'm a bit scared of Gary now. But, no, the thing that he said, and he's so right, and it's genius for what they've done. We've not even mentioned the Glazers. We're talking about Jim Ratcliffe. We're talking about... They have just gone, wallop. You have all of that hassle for whatever percentage of the club. they need like I just they're not going to do it because it's such a cash cow for them but it just feels like you know whether a consortium can come in or whether they can revisit the Qataris or whatever Jim Rockliffe must be thinking to himself do I need this asshole I know he's in one of the co where is he now 73 I mean he's a billionaire the guy like he's an unbelievable businessman but he's obviously not very good at doing the football side of it because if you look at the team one in Switzerland one in France they're not doing very well he's obviously doing I know have a break absolutely I agree but the glazes I mean how many green and yellow balloons are going to go onto that pitch.

55:16Don't care, do they? They don't care, they're not even watching it. They're not even watching it. Are they going to sell? Realistically, are they going to sell? Unless someone comes in there with a ridiculous offer and blows them all out of the water, which is possible because it's Manchester United, but it's not going to happen any time soon. So, they've got to steady the ship and I think he's a good choice to steady the ship to move him on. Yes, he hasn't won, but does it really matter at this stage at the moment? Can he win Manchester United in the future? He possibly can. One last question before we end on this.

55:42Is he in a relegation fight the new manager. I don't believe they'll get relegated, but he's certainly going into a relegation fight. But they won't get relegated because surely Man United and Man City can't go down. Oof. Hey, we're Nick and Jack, hosts of The Best One Yet. Behind every episode, there's research, email, spreadsheets, and our shared Google Doc, the headline hammer. With Google Workspace with Gemini, Google's AI is built right into the premium versions of tools we already use, like Gmail, Docs, and Sheets. No new tools or extra logins, Just personalized AI for the way we work. That means less time on the work around the work and more time finding the stories worth talking about.

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57:45England return to action, Tim. So we've got, obviously, international break going on. No, no, I don't. They're playing Croatia tomorrow night. Harry Kane. So he's about to break Peter Shilton's record. What an achievement. Amazing. Especially as a goalkeeper. I mean, goalkeeper Schiltz, I'm taking nothing away from him. Brilliant goalkeeper, great character. But when you're a goalie, you play every time. You know, Harry hasn't had that. He has now because he's got no one to challenge him for that position, I would suggest. But it's one, you know, to play 125 games for your country. England's best ever player?

58:17Best ever goalscorer. I think that's out there. Best ever player, difficult to say that. You know, I think you possibly have to be a World Cup winner to do that. Bobby Charlton for me. Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore. Yeah. But he's had an unbelievable career. Amazing, amazing. There was talk about they had a player meeting and they spoke about the World Cup in the last camp. If you looked at the last camp, fantastic against Croatia, obviously lost against Spain. And it's come out in the press that Bellingham, Jude Bellingham and Harry Kane spoke about their grievances about how in the Argentina game we didn't push on and go, yeah, we're a good side and show that authority and that confidence.

58:52And Tuka was brought in to do that. where do you think he where do you think he stands right now because obviously he's been given he's going to get the Euros unless something dramatically changes how do you feel what's his responsibility now and what's he got to do to make sure I think Thomas lost credibility from the fans certainly looking in because like you just said we got rid of Gareth Southgate because he wanted someone to push us onto the elite stage and win something Gareth took us to a final took us to a semi he's done the same Thomas and when we was ahead in the game we should have pushed on, reverted back to exactly what Gareth did.

59:28So he's failed in that regard. So, yes, he's lost to fans a little bit, probably a lot. But more importantly, has he lost to players? I think he has. Really, yeah? I think, well, he's got something to prove now, isn't he? Because if you read what Harry's saying and what Jude's saying, I wasn't happy the way we sat back. Why did we sit back? So he's got to answer that. but he looks to me, Thomas, like he's quite stubborn. Now I'm the manager. Why am I listening to you criticise me? I mean, I know it's things they do now but imagine in the past, you know, like to have a player meeting. Never would have happened, would it?

1:00:06No, with the manager, to just tell the manager what he got wrong. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, the manager... Just play, just get on with it, yeah. But it was never a good idea to have your two best players, Jude Bell and Harry Kane, defending your own box for like 40 minutes or wherever it was. Not when they were as good as they were. I don't know why he thought that was a good idea, because the ball just kept coming back. Why he never addressed Lionel Messi? He was the only player on the pitch who could really hurt us in the tight area when we sat so deep. So, yeah, he got it totally wrong, didn't he?

1:00:32Leaving players on the edge of the box to have shots from distance. Yeah, no, I think you're right, Tim. I think you got it totally wrong. One question I want to ask you is, Harry Kane has obviously an elite career. Can't go on forever. The one question people will be talking about next, and I was thinking about it the last couple of days, who will be the next England captain for you? I think it's two people. I think it's either Declan Rice or Jude Berlin. Before the last World Cup, I always thought Jude was a little bit about Jude. He completely shifted my mindset watching him, you know, digging in for the team.

1:01:07Like we talked about, defending his box. Before I would have thought he would be saying to the manager, and quite rightly so, I need to be on that end of the field. I need to be affecting it there because that's when I can show my best stuff. And as a team man, he thought, no, if the manager wants us to do that, that's exactly what I'm going to do for the team. So he went up in my estimations hugely. I think Declan Rice is always going to be a team man. I think it's really important that the two players who I talked about, they're going to be probably first and second or third behind Harry Kane on the team sheet.

1:01:39If Harry's not there anymore, for me, it has to be one of them two. What about you? You haven't answered the question. I said one of them two. No, I don't want one. I want who? What are you going to say? I'm going to say possibly, you want me to say Declan, so you can say Jude. No, I want you to say what Tim Sherwood thinks. Because you're friends with the family now. Who? You're friends with the family. I don't like to talk about it. No, I'm not. Listen, I'm a member at the same gold club as Declan Rice, so I'm not going to stick up for whoever. Declan is a member of about five clubs, and so are you.

1:02:10Yeah, me too, actually, but I'm asking you a question. I'm going to go Declan Rice, because Declan Rice, for me, is an 8 out of 10, wherever he plays, whoever he plays for. A fan's favourite wherever he's been. And not that I've got anything against Jude, I just think he's the reliable man and I think he's got the character to give his teammates some bad news. And if he doesn't play well, I think he can help making others play well. And I'm not sure Jude has got that quality. He's got stardust, Jude. He can do stuff what Declan can't do. But I think he's far more flexible and versatile. So I'm going to say, Rice, is that what you wanted me to say?

1:02:55No, I just wanted you to say what. I just wanted to answer. What about you? Or Jude Bellingham. But you just said he's an 8 out of 10. Jude Bellingham's 9 out of 10 every game. Come on. But don't get me wrong, they're both incredible players. Declan will probably end up being the Arsenal captain. It's slightly different than Real Madrid. Val Verde is the captain because it's whoever's been at the club the longest in the first team so that's how they choose the captaincy there Do you think he'd be a Real Madrid captain? Well Vinnie Jr has been there a bit longer it depends how long he stays if he stays long enough he's the captain Does it matter Jay that you're captain of your club if you're captain of your country it doesn't does it?

1:03:28No I mean Harry Kane wasn't captain of Tottenham No Hugo Lloris was Well David Beckham wasn't captain of United but no I think that it's a hard question to answer and that's why I asked you but I think that Jude Bellingham is the best midfield player in the world, showed it in the World Cup, and he's only 23 years of age. What, now he's the best now? Yeah, I think so. I think all in all, if I was going to pick a team to go and win, who's the best player in the World Cup midfield? Well, you've got to look at some of the Spanish boys there. Well, Rodri was, you know, and Pedri was OK. But Jude, in that World Cup, with his goals and assists, I don't think there was anyone even close.

1:04:07We're talking about the World Cup now. Yeah. As a central midfield player, or was a 10-stroke 8. I thought he was out of this world. What he did in that Mexico game. I like to see him in this game away in Spain. I want to see that game. I'm not interested in what they do against Croatia because I know they're going to beat Croatia. But when teams of world rankings in and around them or better than them always come up short. That's why we don't win anything. That's the problem. But you play for Real Madrid, I think that's just... But again, I like Declan Rice as well. They're both amazing footballers and do you know what is the important would he can he right now would he get in their team yeah I think he'd get in their team obviously you know Truamani and Valverde will play right back or central midfield what's the other midfield player with the dreadlocks Camavinga Camavinga I like so they've got good players but Declan Rice would get in their team but he wouldn't get in ahead of Jude Bellingham if you were going like for like who are you going to pick and Jude would play for Arsenal wouldn't he yeah Jude would play for Arsenal Do you think we'll ever see Jude?

1:05:12No, I don't think we'll ever see him in the Premier League. It's a real shame. Yeah. Maybe. Jobe? Jobe, I think there's more chance of Jobe coming to the Premier League. I think he'll want to do things his own way as well. Like you can see, he's mentally strong. But, like you said earlier on, it's a shame that we're not going to see probably Jude in the Premier League. But who knows? Who knows? I'll tell you what we might see back in the Premier League. Go on. Harry Kane. Really? And I'll tell you where we might see him. Because you were his best mates. I'll tell you where we might see him. Go on.

1:05:39in a red shirt. If Pochettino goes to Manchester United, there's more chance of Harry Kane in two years' time going there. Oh, and your mate Alan Shearer won't be happy. When he signed that new deal the other day, it must have been one of the happiest days of Alan Shearer's life. Really, yeah. You know, he's thinking he's out of the way. I text him straight away. I said, mate, I said, Shearer's delighted with that. He said, still time. There's still time. Is that what he said to you? God, you love a Harry Kane scoop, don't you? Love it. Well done, Tim. Good to talk to you, mate. That's it. That's it.

1:06:10Brilliant. By Peter Smeichel. It was a good hour. Yeah. And by the time next week comes, it will be... We will know, won't we? We will know. Well, I hope so. I hope so. Poor old Michael. I mean, I ain't having that poor old Michael. Yeah, poor... I might be having poor old Michael. I could give you eight million reasons why you shouldn't feel sorry for him. Do you know why I'm saying it? Go on. I've been in that position. You don't just walk in and you get sacked. You know the job when you're going into it. and every week what goes by, he's still getting paid an enormous amount of money, which people don't even earn in a year, you know, for every week.

1:06:46That's the price on the gilet. If I'm going to go, exactly. If I'm going to go, I might as well go next month. Michael's thinking, don't rush it. By the way, listen, all the family going to get nice Christmas presents. Michael's going to be all right. And he's still coming out. One last question, because we should be going, because I've been told we've got to finish. Do you think Michael Carrick will ever manage again? No. This will be him. Done. What, go to the TV? Yeah. Do what he likes. What's his boy play? Exactly. His son's in the academy there. He took that job because it's Man United. Yeah.

1:07:17We know he didn't want to go back into management. He had enough of it. It's Man United, you can't turn it down. Shut up. No, you shut up. We're giving it all that. Well done, mate.

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