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3:34Might as well just have my breakfast while I'm waiting on it. What do you reckon? What flavor have we got? Strawberry. Strawberry and banana tonight. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. I'm going to get out of the way now.

3:54It's actually good, that one. I think you've been round all of them now, haven't you? Have you got any more left to try? I prefer blueberry, I think. Oh, this one? You should have had this one. No, this one's good as well. OK. Come on, then. Right, let's go. How was your week? I feel like you are starting to develop, like, chronicles of Stevie's travels in your Champions League. Yeah, more issues, should we say. Yeah, what happened this time? So I was meant to get to the Liverpool game, to do the co-coms for Liverpool-Fenerbahce and got stuck Barcelona Airport for eight hours. Kept saying the flight's going to go, you know, be patient, it's going to go, going to go.

4:36Asked for my bag back, they refused. Well, we asked for our bags back because we needed to get to... Were you going to make a different plan? We were going to make a different plan B, but then we were running out of time. so I ended up having to do another night in Barcelona because my car was in Manchester Airport so yeah, more problems with travel but... So you ended up having to have like a night in Barcelona with no work. Sounds terrible. Yeah, well I still had to work didn't I because I still had to watch the game. What with a beer? I don't know what you're going to ask me do I so... What do you mean?

5:11I don't know what questions are going to come so it was important to watch the game. Oh, okay. I had some food and watched the game and then travelled home the next day. Very good. A little walk around Barcelona. Nice. It's a good city. Yeah, it's a good city. But we have to talk about what happened the night before when you were in Barcelona on Tuesday night. For the game? Yeah. The game or pre-game? Yeah, I knew that was coming, the game or pre-game, like you don't know what I'm talking about. No-one's mentioned the game to me. Well, probably because pre-game was more La Menha Mal. Well, I actually know Anthony Gordon quite well, so he's often around my area in Formby and obviously followed his career.

5:48Used to play against my under-18s team and he was a tough player to control even back when he was 16, 17. It was him and Curtis Jones going, they were the two best players on the pitch. So he got a nice little hug off Anthony and then you mail your mouth, come and checked in, which was a nice little touch. You're so playing it down, I could tell you were just like... a little bit. Give me a bit of kudos when I got home, actually, with Leo. I was going to say, did he give you aura points? He was like, did you get a hug off your mum? I was like, yeah. What? He was like, does he even know you? I was like, a little bit, a little bit.

6:25But no, it was a nice little touch before the game. It was, it was nice. In actual fact, he'd walked past you. Like, and then he must have realised, oh, Anthony Gordon's hugging you. Yeah. They did have me back to them, didn't they? So, I think once he's seen the side profile, Well, certainly, Emilio, I'll come back and... He knows bald as Lavinia. It's a nice hug, actually. It's a nice hug. Serious aura points, kudos, you'll take it. And you turned back around that I was watching the telly and I could tell that you were trying just to be, like, playing it cool, but I knew you were gassed about it.

7:01Oh, it's an age thing, innit? Yeah. But I was happy about it. Good player, isn't he? Yeah, 100%. Was it the first time you watched him live? Loved watching him live. Loved watching him live. I mean, just his movement and the way he drags people in and the speed of how he does his 1v1s and his combination play. As soon as that ball dropped to him in the box, normally 18, 19-year-olds wouldn't have that level of composure in such a big game, but you just knew the outcome as soon as it landed at his feet. I think we're looking at someone who is potentially going to get to the two that I competed against Ronaldo and Messi.

7:42He's the one, I would say, that I've seen live who potentially has got that level. If he continues, obviously, to evolve and develop and has that hunger like them to add, he's probably, you would say, Mbappe and Haaland around there in terms of being in the prime years. But if you're looking at a youngster, we have a lot of superstars around the world, but I just think he seems to be the one that's a little bit above that level, which is unique. So I'm really looking forward to seeing how his career develops. I saw on social media the other day when people say how old players will be at certain World Cups, which is like a social thing that somebody had done, and he was only 22 at the World Cup in 2030.

8:26You forget how young he is. Yeah, you do forget that. I think the biggest challenge for him and the people around him and his coaches and the people that look after him in Barcelona is how did he keep them hungry? how did he keep him wanting to keep achieving things with his team and also individual awards because in terms of the talent and the potential it's scary it's scary he's doing things on a football pitch that I've never seen a 19 year old do I think he's more advanced than Ronaldo at 19 he's more probably advanced I played against Messi as a youngster, I played against Ronaldo as youngsters, he played a lot wider where he plays I think he's more advanced than them at that age can he go on produce their numbers and the consistency.

9:09We'll have to see, you know, is he going to become a nine further on in his career to get the volume of goals like Messi and Ronaldo have become. We'll have to wait and see, but in terms of the three of them at 19, I think he's more advanced than them. I know it's impossible to say because he is so young. I wonder if he'll remain at Barcelona always or if he'll come to the Premier League. I think if Barcelona stay in a good financial position, I mean, why would you have to move? Because you're going to be competing for Champions League and leagues every single season. You're going to be playing in front of over 100 ,000 once that stadium's done.

9:45That's going to allow you to stay around the national team if you keep performing. I just don't see why he would want to change anything. I don't see it. He's in a good spot. Spectacular to watch. Unbelievable. But I would love to see him in the Premier League, but that's just selfish. The exciting thing is we've got probably 12, 15 years of watching, which is unbelievable. Boom. Well, there we go. He knows who you are. Yeah. There we go. Smile on your face, you can't help but absolutely love that.

10:19You're watching Overlap Daily, brought to you by Skybet and Skyvegas. From the biggest talking points to the debates dividing football fans, we're here to bring you all the stories worth talking about with Skybet and Skyvegas. On today's show, Stevie and I discuss all the weekend's Premier League action and we're joined by Mark Goldbridge for his take on Manchester United. Make sure you're part of the conversation by liking, subscribing and following wherever you're watching or listening. Right, with that, let's get started.

11:04All right, well, straight away, we are joined by a very special guest this morning. Good morning to you, Mark Goldbridge, the host of the United Stand, who is here to discuss this simply insane game yesterday. Eight goals, Mark. Eight. What on earth happened? Yeah, I mean, look, I'm going to be honest from the start. I feel very fatigued and I wouldn't say I massively enjoyed it. I actually have sympathy with Villa. I think it was a foul on the equaliser. And I didn't massively celebrate it for probably the first time in my life. I think the CEO, who's not even a United fan, celebrated it more than me.

11:40So, yeah, I just... To be honest, I don't think that goal did us any favours. I think if we'd lost the game, we'd be talking about Carrick being sacked and now they're probably going to keep him. So, I mean, we're in the relegation zone, Becky. I just don't get it. I don't get the singing for Carrick. I don't get the applauding the players off the pitch. I've seen nothing all season that makes me think they deserve to be applauded and I actually think if it was Ruben Amman or Eric Ten Hag they'd be a bigger pile-on than there is I just sort of look at it now and I think take away that he used to play for the club and he's got an English passport and Michael Carrick wouldn't even be the manager I just it's ridiculous as a one-off I think it was a great game but as a season I've just yeah I'm at the point where I'm just almost checking out now it's just it's a joke it's a joke do you think Mark Mark do you think if he would have lost the game do you think he would have been gone by now i mean logically yes but then the people running the club i wasn't surprised if they gave him a new contract if we'd lost yesterday i just i just don't i saw the ceo jumping in the air celebrating he's not even a united fan and i'm like you're in the relegation zone as a ceo i'm not jumping in the air celebrating i'm thinking i've got a big decision to do tomorrow i need to keep a poker face here and i'm like if you're celebrating a point against Villa to keep you in the bottom three, it's very obvious to me the direction of the football club.

13:02And I have to accept we're in a relegation fight because even the players were talking about it after the game yesterday. Man United, who nobody predicted would be in a relegation fight, by the way, are in a relegation fight and it's OK. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe this morning. I just can't believe it. I have to keep going on Wikipedia and looking at the titles that we've won because I feel like we're pressed in North End, not Man United. It's mad. If they're staying with Michael in the next couple of days, it probably says they're going to stay with him until Christmas maybe and to the window.

13:34What do you think this Manchester United team needs? Because they're obviously scoring goals going forward and there's a lot of good attack and play at times. But they're so open and so vulnerable and so fragile from a defensive point of view. Yeah, well, there's a couple of things I wanted to ask you, Stevie, anyway. but in relation to that I think this is a lot of people blame the players I think that yesterday epitomised to me what one of the biggest problems is you start the game having been trained all week and Carrick says every week they've trained really well you go 2-0 down deservedly the fans react like they did against Roma the players react 2-2 you go in at half time you have another 15 minutes with Carrick you come back out and you're 2-0 down again and then the fans react and the players react so the players can clearly do it but I think Roy Keane made a good point it's like they're playing amongst themselves it's like whatever they're being told to do isn't working and then it hits a point where the players just go right let's just do what we want and then it becomes a bit chaotic but that defence got him third place last year we've not bought anyone and we've not sold anyone it's the same Masraoui in heaven got a clean sheet at Stamford Bridge in April so these players But for United to have conceded 30 goals.

14:52Yeah, United to concede 30 goals. And I think the alarming thing is when the manager and the coaches are speaking and then to concede two so early in the first half and then for that to repeat the opening stages of the second half is a huge concern. And it just looked like every time Villa went forward, they could have scored against United. I mean... Yeah, I wanted to ask you, Stevie. I mean, obviously, you love Liverpool. what do you look at it from the outside in as a Liverpool fan if you had an ex-teammate who was manager and they're in the third from bottom after 10 games obviously I suspect that I've spoken to Wayne obviously gets on with Carrick and you can tell that he wants him to do well but it's not acceptable for Manchester United or Liverpool to be in the bottom three after 10 games like there surely has to come a point where you go yeah Michael Carrick was a great player as a player but as a manager that's not acceptable what do you think is going on at United?

15:51I've been in that situation at Aston Villa at this stage maybe a bit earlier the last window where Villa had dropped down to a couple of places above the relegation and I lost my job I had to accept that and take it on the chin and I took full responsibility for that I think if it was to happen I don't think anyone would be surprised because of the position and the points that they've put on the board in the league and to concede 30 points. My point last week when I sort of tried to give Michael a bit of support, and it wasn't because I played with him, I don't know Michael that well outside of being a footballer on a pitch with him.

16:29He's a decent guy, of course he is, but it was more my opinion from the outside of the Liverpool fan is, does that fix all United's problems by sacking just one guy and the manager? Because the maddest thing during the game yesterday, the 4-4, wasn't just the goals United conceded, it was to see someone celebrating a draw who's representing Man United. I've never seen that in 30 years since I've known what Manchester United are about. I've never seen anyone connected to United celebrate a draw. Or was that him celebrating that he maybe doesn't have to make the decision on Michael Carrick tomorrow morning?

17:04Yeah, 100%. It was weird. He's not a Man United fan. He is not. He's come in from Man City. Ten years ago, he was tweeting about Man United taking the piss out of us. He's now celebrating that. and I saw it as that, absolutely. It was almost like he's celebrating not having to sack Carrick, not having any pressure on him for two weeks. But our next game's Anfield. I mean, we've got eight points from 30 and we've got to go to Anfield. I mean, it's all right. Oh, he survives the international break. Why is no one looking long-term and going, we've got Anfield, St James' Park and the Emirates before Christmas?

17:36Yeah. Do you think United are struggling when expectation is on them? so what I mean by that is when they've played teams and they've gone down to 10 men they're expected to kick on and they struggle and almost when the shackles are off they do better yeah I think it's a good point but then I would say we've lost to crap as well like you know I've just called Hull crap I've just realised sorry but like you'd expect to beat Hull we lost to them you'd expect to beat Fulham and Everton we didn't beat them Leeds we didn't beat them but I do get your point I think that when there's nothing to lose, we do tend to react quite well to it.

18:20But that's not unusual. I think Liverpool are the same. I mean, look at 99. We weren't very good in that final against Bayern Munich. It's the last couple of minutes. There's nothing to lose. You've got four forwards on the pitch. Solskjaer wins it. Scheringham obviously equalises it. So I think that's probably something that's ingrained in certain football clubs, that when there's nothing to lose, they have a great history of doing something about it. The trouble I would have with that, and I'd be interested to know what Stevie says, is I don't think it's sustainable. Like what you did in 05, you wouldn't be able to do that over 38 games.

18:55It probably takes a lot out of players to play like that every week anyway, where you just go, we're losing this game, we may as well just go for it. What do you think the players want, Mark? From what you see here, you probably watch every interview, you're probably looking for every word that's getting said around that team and that club. I think normally, from the outside, you can sort of get a feeling or what you see on the pitch in terms of what the players... What do you think they want? Do you think they would want a fresh start and a reset now and someone who's going to take the blame away from them?

19:29Yeah, I think so, because I think we've got into this weird situation and I was just talking about it on the United stand this morning where there is this section of the media, ex-player community and United fans that just seem to absolve Carrick of all responsibility. Like, it's not his fault, it's the player's fault, it's the board's fault, which is, in my opinion, total nonsense. And I think as a player, I'd probably be at a point, especially this morning, where I'd go, well, look, we were 2-0 down to Roma, we won 3-2. We're 2-0 twice to Villa and we get it back. We can't be accused of not trying, because we could easily have just let that Roma game go, let the Villa game go, and Carrick's out of a job anyway.

20:06So I think there is a better team there. I think I don't agree that a better manager can't do a better job. And I think as a player, looking at your own career, you don't want to be in a relegation fight. You want to be playing in Europe. So I'd be looking at it and going, if this manager's not up to it, I want a better manager, definitely. International break coming now for United. Why do you think that sort of leaves them, the players, everybody? Maybe the break could be good. Well, we can't lose any games.

20:39that's a fair point well made I think that I think Liverpool's a terrible game to have to come back and play we did win there last year and it wouldn't surprise me the way United are that we wouldn't go and get maybe a point there but it's very unlikely it's going to be relentless from when we come back to Christmas and beyond and I think after 10 games as much as I don't want to say it. I think we probably are in a relegation battle. I mean, this is not a blip anymore. It's a reality. You are where you deserve to be. And I think the three teams in the bottom three are the three worst teams in the league by quite a way at the moment.

21:17Shock of the week. The award goes to Mark Goldbridge. You absolutely nailed this. Just done it again with United at Anfield saying they're going to get a point. Yeah, yeah. You better be worried now. I did say Villa and Man Utd would be a draw as well. I think I had Liverpool to win at Palace I didn't do Forest City that annoyed me but no I think Sunderland, Chelsea Chelsea haven't got a striker some shocking VAR decisions but yeah Chelsea I fancied Sunderland there so yeah my shock is not going to be Man United to get a result at Anfield I don't want to jinx that but yeah I was glad we kept that in the edit on Friday because the producer was saying let's move on and I said no I want to do my shock of the week so there we go fair play mate top shots I'll give you that fair play have a great show enjoy the bit love it have a good one thanks Mark cheers bye bye bye this episode is sponsored by Huel official nutrition partner of Overlap Daily Tim it's that time again in partnership with Huel you and I are going to discuss one less thing in football I'll read some of the comments like some people not really having the getting the fans going last week they didn't like it they said yeah they said it's a good thing why is it a good thing yeah I don't know I mean it's a good thing if you're 2-0 up or something like that it ain't a good thing if you're like getting beat 3-0 and then you're telling the fans to come and support you I just felt maybe when you said it should be a straight red it should be a yellow yellow a bit yellow yeah yellow how did you feel when you watched that Liverpool game with the feigning injury and you saw the McAllister a grown man throwing himself on the floor yeah just Medweke yeah disgraceful what McAllister was disgraceful right you thought that strongly about it unless you start booking the players who are diving like that.

23:03Retrospectively, you've got to go to them, Jay. They're going to continue doing it. Unfortunately, that's what's going to happen. But what I don't like, what is Madweki doing? That's what I was going to say, Tim. I actually think, I was listening to everyone on Sunday after the game and everyone's going, what's he doing, McAllister having a game? He should be, that should be. Yeah, I get all of that. But if I'm Mikel Arteta, I am fuming with Madweki. You're 1-0 up at Anfield. he speaks about it being like you're getting put in a tumble dryer. He decides to put his head to McAllister. Whether he touched him a little bit or not enough, that's not the point.

23:37You're risking, you saw it with Yarmoula, you saw it with Bentancourt, absolutely brainless from Maduweki. He could have cost his team. There's still a load of time for Liverpool to win that game. And you know what it's like at Anfield. You've played enough. Once it switches, you've got 10 men you're hanging on. I couldn't believe that no one really mentioned Maduweki. Absolutely ridiculous for him to get involved in that situation because that's the rule. Because Luke Shaw is not really going to hurt him. And even the Yarmuluk situation, that wasn't a big enough one. But Maduweki for me, like McAllister, ridiculous.

24:08We've got to stamp it out the game. But what is Maduweki doing? I agree with you. I agree with you. And I'm sure Mikel has seen it. And he would speak to him. You know, you put yourself on offer. I mean, I remember the one which was great. I mean, it was when Gabriel with big man Erlen Haaland. Remember that? Yeah, of course. That could have ended Arsenal's hopes there. Harlan stayed on his feet. Yeah. And he took a big bang to the nose there. But it ain't going to knock him over. But he just reacted. He didn't want to go down. Didn't want to throw himself down. He just stood up to it and looked straight in the eye.

24:41And he was like, was that it? I loved that. I loved that. But it's probably not winning the game. If he gets Gabriel sent off there, they probably win the game. I think that was the... For me, that was a pivotal moment in the deciding of the title. Yeah, but this one was going head-to-head, because I've never really... When have you ever seen a proper fight break out in football? Hard ever. And everyone goes like that, you know what I mean? You go way back, aren't you? Well, you saw one with Batty. Batty and Lesseau, yeah. That was a good one. The Champions League, Moscow. Was it difficult to not...

25:13How hard was that not to laugh? It was... It wasn't funny at the time. I really felt for Ray Hartford, who took over from Kennedy. Where were you, in Russia or somewhere? Russia, Moscow, yeah. It was like freezing, minus 10 or whatever. and we weren't even in the game, you know, we were just getting it popped around us and then it just flared up out of nowhere, you know. I think it was a throw on, they both went for the ball and then Batty threw the ball back at him and the next thing I turned around, just swinging punches, throwing punches at each other, getting in between them to stop it, you know.

25:39But it never carried on, half time, went in there, it was over, it was done. I think David broke his hand. Did he? Yeah. What, he tried to hit him? Yeah, I think he's caught him and he's broke a bone in his hand, you know, because it was so cold, I mean, it's freezing. reason but yeah it was a it was a little bit you know we didn't laugh to be honest it's funny when you look it back at it now but they were you're talking about two very very good players there yeah and whenever anyone sees them they always mention that to them if they're of an age they will say what about when you had a fight in moscow i mean i know they had a career you remember it great career both top players so that's one less thing we would like to have in football and that is feigning injury feigning injury yep is it a straight red um yeah that that one the nut on the on the head with no force going down.

26:24I think, retrospectively even, they should get back. What about if they'd have sent off McAllister and Madueke? Because you're both idiots. Get off. Get in. Yeah, a bit harsh on Madueke, that one. But on McAllister for that dive, we can't have grown men throwing themselves to the floor. No. It's disgusting. We want that out of the game. The verdict's in, we're getting rid of anyone that throws himself to the floor in football. And with Huell, we've got one less thing to think about when it comes to our nutrition. Huel is a complete meal in a bottle, high in protein, high in fiber, with all essential vitamins and minerals.

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29:45Mark did well there with that prediction. Did you see it coming? Do I have to praise him? No, unbelievable shout. I didn't see it coming. I'm not a better man, but if I was a better man, I'd have definitely gone for Chelsea, especially on the back of their performance against United. Really loved them going forward. Players in good form. I didn't see an upset there. having said that I think we've seen enough of Sunderland over the last 12 months to know that they have got that result in the locker I don't think they've had the best of seasons so far but

30:24big big result for Sunderland and hopefully they can kick off from that now I think having Broby fit and available I think he caused Chelsea's two centre backs a lot of problems with his physicality and his hold of play if they can keep him in the team, keep him fit I can see Sunderland building on this performance and this result. I feel like, as you said, they needed that. Brian Brobby's just signed a new contract for Sunderland. I feel the fans needed that, that someone like him is invested in that team and that squad. Well, he's the talisman now, isn't he? And he's someone who you can build a team around.

30:55He sort of gives you that focal point and he sort of gives you that main part of your identity at Sunderland, which is to, you know, for him to cause as much damage and as much chaos to defences and defenders as he possibly can. And he'd done that to Chelsea. I'm a big fan of Colwell. I went for Farners fit and he's consistently playing. He's a good defender as well, but he caused them endless problems. It was a mismatch at times, a real bullying job. And I think that helped him. It was a colossal performance from Sunderland. Have they just been waiting to unlock that? Because you don't become a poor team.

31:37They've had some injuries. They've had players missing. I think it was the first time at the weekend they sort of had everyone available, or the majority, fit and available. It was a tough game. Chelsea come in form. But to win and get a clean sheet and move a bit in the table will be big for them, especially with it being the last game before the international break. If Chelsea were to go there and win, More pressure, more questions. Second season syndrome, they can't play after Europe. All them questions and the negativity just stays for another two weeks. But I think they've lifted a lot of gloom.

32:13Fans are delighted. Wynn, clean sheet. Robbie's back. I think there's a lot for them to go and build on them. In regards to Chelsea, it feels... Does it feel like, I should ask you, I shouldn't say it's a statement, does it feel like it's two steps forward, one step back? Yes, very much so. it's the inconsistency, isn't it? I think for Chelsea to move forward, they have to put more runs of games together, more wins on the bounce. It does seem like they're winning a couple and everyone's singing the praises and then they have a result that's a bit shocking, like the Tottenham won at home and now Sunderland away.

32:50But what I liked about Alonso's interview after the game is he's not pointing to the referee and going, oh, maybe it shouldn't have been a penalty or he's not looking for excuses. he's looking in the mirror first and he's saying he's responsible for how the team plays and how it looked and he wasn't happy with any part of the Chelsea performance I really like that from him where he's taking the ownership and he's not looking to not answer questions or give us a load of fluff if you like he's saying no we have put some really good performances in the season but we're also not happy with these that are popping up every now and again and it does seem like two steps forward, one back at the moment.

33:32In terms of recruitment and where he wants to go, do you think defensively is where he needs to start? 100%. Chelsea have good defenders. I really like Rhys James when he's fit and available and he plays right back. I think he's the best right back in the country. Obviously, he's got his injury problems, which have been well documented. Really like Colwell because he gives them nice balance and the left foot. they've got a fantastic goalkeeper now who I've worked with and I look at the midfield and the front line and think that can compete but with all due respect I think for Chelsea to compete with your Arsenal, City, Liverpool and the top end of the Champions League I think they need to find world class centre backs and a world class left back that would be my opinion Can I just relate that to when I played Ashley Cole, John Terry, Cavalio Ivanovic now that's a back four that can compete and prove that it can compete at the top end of the Premier League and the top end of the Champions League if I look at Chelsea's back five now I go Martinez and Petr Cech okay not much in it, you know Martinez has proved he can win a World Cup and really perform in that high level, I think the Chelsea defenders have still got to prove themselves that they can go and compete at the top end of the Premier League and also the top end of the Champions League.

34:57Because that back four that we played with Chelsea with Macaulay in front or Essien in front, that was some base to a spine. They were top world-class players. I think for Chelsea to go to the next level, they need to recruit that. Does that leave a bitter taste as well, going into an international break off a result like that? Bitter, maybe not, but frustration, yeah. On the back of the Manchester United performance where they were dominant, scored great goals. even though Manchester United were good in the first half I think Chelsea come out a different team and you'll see that team in the second half that didn't turn up at Sunderland so that's frustrating I'm sure it is for the Chelsea fans and for Giabbi Alonso it was nowhere near the level of the Man United game in the second half Well Sunderland needed that result just to give them something another team down the bottom that did incredibly well this week Yeah it releases a lot of pressure on Sunderland getting that win on the clean sheet Forrest, I mean what a performance put the TV on 10 minutes before kick-off and you can see the city grounds all misty, you can tell it's cold but the camera's panning around the fans and the fans are right up for it they're right up for it and you're thinking I think we might see a different Forrest performance here and we certainly did, it was more aggressive they were winning duels all over the pitch, they were organised and the Forrest performance took me back to when I watched Forrest at Anfield earlier in the season and they played that 5-4-1 out of possession, that becomes a bit of a boxing possession.

36:29But it was aggressive, it was up for it, everyone was all in, early tackles in the game. They sort of put the stamp on the game really early and I thought, I think we're going to see a better Forrest performance here. So then is this a product of seeing a post-match interview given by Glasnow who had choice words to say the week before, having a positive effect? on this side? Yeah, I think so. I think the Forest players have realised themselves that they need to start rewarding performances because the performances have been there but it's lacked a bit of quality and a little bit of goals. Being clinical in the final third, that's what's been missing.

37:11But to score three goals against the City side, I mean, all the goals are fantastic. Two from De Laat, one from Cunha. And they sort of forced the goals City, you know, like pressing high and pressing aggressive and stealing the ball I mean, Guardiola got bullied for the first goal Kuna steps in and just obviously slotter home, he had options to go left or right but backed himself, lovely finish to go 1-0 up and De Lapp was a different animal in terms of the endeavour work rate desire, I think he's a really honest player, you know, he battles, he competes but if you had one criticism prior to this game, you would say that he maybe hasn't scored enough goals since he's come in the door.

37:52But he certainly put that right at the weekend and you're hoping that he can maybe go and build on that now and use that confidence and belief. If you can do that against City, you should be able to produce against most teams in the league. What I loved about that game as well was Oliver Glastner. Did you see him run down the touchline? I love Ola. Me too. I mean, to do that in the Bootsy head on as well, did you see the Bootsy head on? He was like a hiking, which you can understand cold night, November. But he hit some speed there. But I love Ola. I love Ola. and when you're there and you get a goal and you're that emotion, I can totally understand it.

38:24The City ground was just absolutely bouncing. And the great fans there, it's a tough place to go when the fans are in that mood, but it's down to the players to get the fans there, and they certainly did from the off. So the flip side to that, though, is Manchester City's third Premier League defeat in a row. Are they heading for a crisis here, or is that too strong of a word? Yeah, I think it's probably a little bit too early for that, but I think there's definitely concerns there. watched City a lot at the back end of last season and praised them defensively as well as attacking in terms of sort of Mark Gay's performance I was raving about him at the back end of the season he got took off again at half time I think that's the second time I felt like he could have done more for the second goal I felt he could have done a last ditch tackle and tried to affect he could have given a foul away but I think he'd either bust the gut and really push himself and done the last bit I think he could have stop the second goal.

39:20Same for Guardiola, he gets robbed for the first goal. So this is out of character for these type of players. Because he was so reliable. And so was Guardiola. Both of them have made big errors in that game. I've been critical of the goalkeeper in recent weeks. Probably my choice of words, actually. I was going to say, are we going to go back? I owe my apology because the choice of words from me were disappointing. I'm disappointed in myself for these words saying that. That's all right. We live and learn. We do live and learn and I'll own it. But what I want to double down on is I think he's out of form.

39:59The goalkeeper's out of form. I don't think he could have done much with the goals at the weekend. Maybe one that delapsed first one. Maybe. But the worry for City is defensively. They're open this season. They're giving big chances up. There's a lot of space behind them and then when you add individual errors in there as well I think Marescu will be really concerned about his team defensively. Do you think that Enzo Fernandes transfer, that move has worked? I think he's a really good player. You would have to say no at the moment. I think there's a lot of questions getting asked, you know, is it working in there with Anderson?

40:41Should Boadi be playing? I don't think they've found the right balance in the middle of midfield at the moment. And then when you add Cherky into that, I think Cherky's suited for certain games. I mean, he scored a hell of a goal at left foot volley to get them back in after half-time. And I really like him. He's very inventive and creative but you're going away to Forrest and you know this Forrest team are really aggressive and they're going to come for you. You know, is Mareskin having to pick maybe a stronger midfield in terms of a bit more bite and a bit more aggression in there because they got dominated and they didn't win many duels.

41:17They were second best in there.

41:21And two, if not three, the goals come from them not competing well enough, in my opinion. Has Mareska got enough credit in the bank at this moment in time? I would say yes. I think he'll be given a fair chance and a fair crack at it. But you know and I know in this league, things can turn and change very quickly due to results. and it's not like City to lose three on the spin. So I think the next game is really important, but he's got that couple-of-week window. A lot of his players will be gone, but he's got time to breathe and reset, but I'm sure in the next couple of weeks he's going to be looking at his team from a defensive point of view and an organisation point of view, because City will always create and score.

42:03They had some big chances in this game. Haaland rounds the keeper, Haaland has the curler. So they're creating and they're having enough attacks. Cherkies goals, world-class, left-foot volley into the roof of the net, right in the top corner, top, top goal. So the flair and the creativity is still there, but going that way, they look very vulnerable. They look very open to me. So it's crazy that we're going to talk about Bryson in the way that at one point we would talk about Man City. But Bryson, I'm sold. I'm absolutely sold on Bryson. They're absolutely flying. Is this actually potentially a horrible time for an international break to come for them?

42:40Yeah, the break for Brighton's come at a bad time because you want that consistency and that continuity. Whatever. Help me out. I was going to say engage the brain there. The what? Sorry? Continuity. Yeah, there you go. I'll believe it at Christmas. That's what I'm going to say. I love Brighton. Well, I was going to say, at what point are we going to say seriously they could contend? if we're still seeing them around the top two and three at Christmas I believe they'll be in a title race but at the moment I still believe through my own experience that they will have some tough moments or tough parts of the season having said that the evidence suggests that I'm going to be proven wrong at the moment I believe it at Christmas Becky if they're still flying at Christmas I'll believe it they've scored more goals than anyone else only Arsenal have conceded less they're up to second in the table and yet no one really is talking about them.

43:34Well, they should be and we have been. We've been really giving them a lot of praise and they deserve that. I mean, again, the first goal, left foot strike from the edge of the box. Wow. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Penalty struck right in the top. Players are playing with confidence and no fear and they believe, they're playing like they believe that they're going to be there come the end of the season.

44:02but from experience to get too carried away with a team in November is very early, in my opinion. If they're still around it at Christmas or they can get through the Christmas period at congestive fixtures that we all know and come out into the new year in the same place, I'll believe it. Alright, I'm going to pull this, I'm going to mark this and come back to it at Christmas and see where we're at there. There was a red card in that game though, which obviously, Thiago... Yeah, I think it is a red card. it's a stupid red card from a Brentford perspective Thiago he sort of goes up with the arm I think sometimes you can get away with an arm if it's sort of part of play but when you start going up and the contact and it was a little bit of a fast sharp one you give the referee a decision to make and I think with VAR now referees are going to give you the red for that yeah

44:57Palace, Liverpool Palace, we'll come on to Liverpool but Crystal Palace PSR's in a lot of trouble here I think so yeah I was asked a question over the weekend who I would say is under the most heat and pressure and who I think will probably lose the job first and I hate saying that because I've been in that position it's never nice on anyone it wouldn't surprise me in the next 24 hours if Crystal Palace either name a new manager or say that they're looking for him it just hasn't the fans you feel like still want it to work for him but because it's not all his own fault they haven't replaced the defenders that they sold no they haven't and they miss Mateta at the weekend so why would it be different when someone else comes in because the team's still the same yeah I know but if results are not changing this is normally the time of year when ownerships and chairmen sort of use this to say, well, we've got two weeks now to introduce a new manager, to give the new manager the best chance to try and galvanise and lift and reset and go again with the current group of players you've got.

46:01If it doesn't work from now till Christmas, you've still got that window, whereas if you wait till the window, it could be too late. Thomas Frank seems to be the name that's leading the line for this, or being linked to it. Yeah, I think someone like Eddie Howe, for example, with all due respect would be out of Palace's reach because obviously he's available as well with Premier League experience so I can understand the Thomas Frank one Steve Cooper's another one who seems to be around the media and looking for another possibility to get back into the Premier League Rafa Benitez has been sort of making noises as well who I know extremely well but it wouldn't surprise me if it was Thomas Frank and it wouldn't surprise me if that happens in the coming days what I would say is Palace weren't poor yesterday.

46:46So this is what I was also going to come on to, because I was saying in the actual context of the game, the result has consequences, but the context of the game, Palace weren't bad. Well, listen, I think the penalty at the end gave the scoreline a little bit of respect, and I felt like they deserved a goal over the performance. I wasn't happy with the penalty incident, although I understand it, and it is a bit late. You don't really want to see penalties given when two people are really going for a head like that. it just didn't sit right with me. Having said that, I thought Palace performance was pretty good.

47:20They caused Liverpool a lot of problems and Liverpool needed a man of the match performance from Alisson and strong defending from all the defenders at times to keep Palace from scoring because they looked dangerous at times. Warton played some lovely passes over the back. Pino was lively. They were causing Liverpool a lot of problems down the left putting some crosses in, Stran Larsen scores. It was disallowed. So, 3-0 would have flattered Liverpool, I would have said. But, from a Liverpool perspective it's a top result. It's a strong away performance. I think that's four on the spin now. And I think Liverpool needed that win because I think there would have been a lot of questions if he didn't get that win going into the international break.

48:03Alexis McAllister, is he playing for this new contract? Yeah, I think Alisson stops him from getting man of the match. I think from an outfield perspective, again, it was a consistent performance. I've loved him this season. I think last year, like a lot of the Argentinian players, I think the focus or they've got a bit of a distraction with the World Cup coming in, it's the way they are. It's like the World Cup takes over everything in their lives. I sort of lived that with Martinez when I was at Villa. In what way? I just think it becomes a priority. I think it becomes a bit of a distraction.

48:43It becomes the most important thing in their lives, is to be ready and not injured and make sure that the national team is priority. So I think a lot of the Argentina players, I'm sure a lot of managers, if they watch this, will say, yeah, I've experienced that. But in terms of what I've seen this season, I think Alexis McAllister deserves a new deal and I want Liverpool to keep him because he's a really clever footballer. He's a competitor, he's aggressive, he knows the game's understanding of the game's top. He's fantastic in the air. He's fantastic in the air for a little fella. I think there's only really Michael Owen I've seen who's a similar size, who's probably better than him in the air, but he's a threat at set pieces.

49:28He's helpful defending set pieces and he's brave and he just knows the game. He's got a real good understanding. He's an experienced player. I wouldn't want Liverpool to lose him now. I think he's been really key to the midfield set. I felt like Liverpool as a team were a little bit soft in the opening games of the season. I see a bit more fight now and a bit more spirit and a bit more competitive side to this Liverpool team. I think we can get better. I'm really happy with McAllister and his form at the moment. So the next two games for Liverpool, United, at home, Everton away. Well the interesting thing on Liverpool v United is it's going to be under Michael Carrick, time will tell.

50:12But you'd have to fancy Liverpool on current form, I think that goes without saying. At the moment when I watch Manchester United I don't fancy them against anyone because they're so open defensively they look all over the place

50:32The big thing is are Liverpool going to face a United team with a different manager or is it going to be Michael Kylkes United because I'm not sure Michael and Steve Holland are getting the reaction that they would want out of this team certainly from a defensive point of view I should just clarify the next two games in the league someone will come at me and be like they've got someone else in the middle of that I know, talking about the Premier League they've got who? I'm being told it is Bruges, there we go Florian Verts, goal and assist for him are we seeing the attacking qualities? I think he's playing with more confidence and more belief he's certainly contributing a bit more in terms of assists and his contribution in the final third he seems to be playing with a little bit more freedom them.

51:15But it was the Liverpool's front line that won them the game in terms of the goals that they scored and produced but without the goalkeeper I think they could have had a lot more problems. Yesterday Alisson was tremendous, back to his best but yeah all the forward players and you've got to praise them and give them credit because if Liverpool don't win that game, everyone looks to the front line. Barcola's not doing it, Werthes not doing it, Isak hasn't turned up and you hear a lot of criticism and people jump on it really quick because of these price tags that they're carrying. But they delivered.

51:49They delivered yesterday. Barcola gets a nice assist for Wirtz. Isak gets his goal again and it was lovely to see Wirtz get his first goal of the season. We need more now. We need more. Go away with Germany. Hopefully he can stay healthy and come back with more confidence and more belief and keep doing it. Keep getting your numbers. So Serge United and then Everton. Right, bite down on the gum shield. Everton needs some pros. they do David Moyes deserves a lot of praise he probably can't say this but I don't think he got enough backing in the summer in terms of numbers in his squad obviously he lost in Jai which was a big loss, he was arguably their best player last year but to have Everton I think they jumped to fourth on Friday night after the win I think Liverpool have gone back above them because Liverpool beat Palace.

52:45But to have Everton where they are now, they're in the quarterfinal of the League Cup. I've got Everton friends who really love the team and they all follow Everton. They're saying to me, we'd love a top-eight finish, but we've got to go and win the League Cup. They want to go and win a trophy. It reminds me a little bit where Newcastle were, pre-League Cup when they beat Liverpool. They've got Fleetwood in the last eight. With all due respect, if Everton turn up, they should be in the semifinal of the League Cup. So if you're David Moyes, if he can go and win the League Cup and have Everton in and around our top eight, pound for pound, that's probably arguably going to be the best job of the season, in my opinion.

53:21We're a small squad, that's probably short. So I've done where they are so far this season. David Moyes and this Everton team deserve a lot of credit. A lot of credit. Tiano Barry, not only is he the best dancer in the Premier League by the looks of it, but is he finally becoming the goal scorer that Everton needed? He's on fire at the moment. he's still a little bit raw in terms of his all-round play but in terms of the work and the job he does for the team out of possession and he's delivering goals he deserves all the credit that is out there I'm not sure on his dancing line that needs a bit of work I like it, a bit of personality I also think Keenan Jewsby Hall deserve to be in the England squad We're going to come on to that about the England squad but yes, Keenan Jewsby Hall, I know you're a big fan you tried to sign him, didn't you?

54:08I did try and sign him on loan, I must say. He was a youngster at Leicester. We played Leicester's under-23s in an international break, the Rangers team, because we wanted to give minutes to the lads that were staying behind. So we played Leicester's under-23s. They come up, we played them at Ibrox. And I'm watching the game and I'm thinking to myself, who's he and who's he? So, go to the team sheet, Harvey Barnes and Dewsbury Hall. As soon as the game finished, I'm saying to Mark Allen, who was the sporting director at the time, can you get me them two on loan? Do whatever we need to do to get them on loan.

54:42But unfortunately, Brendan Rodgers is the manager. That was probably... That was the reason. Yeah, probably the reason, yeah. But I would have took both of them on loan in a flash. Because he's so integral to the Everton midfield now. He is. And I think this is the key as to why he's probably just missed out because we tried to sign and we wanted them to be a run and eight. we played with two eights that liked to get into the box and we've seen him as that left side one or maybe sometimes on the right getting the ball back and putting half space crosses in so we've seen a few different roles that we wanted him in our team for but I think David Moyes has sort of given him a little bit more freedom and a little bit more licence to run and make sure that Barry's not isolated up there on his own he's a powerful runner he's someone who does his job really good for the team out of possession so he's physical, he's aggressive, he works hard him and Garner are the the old dogs are walking Barry Orne and John Ebrel and co but they've got Everton playing really aggressive Harrison Armstrong's in there as well so they've got a real nice blend in that midfield but usually Hall's the one who's got a little bit of magic about him he's got a wand of a left foot, his goal was amazing I think Frank will be disappointed with his goalkeeper but he deserved that goal, he's in top form and I was a little bit disappointed from that he just missed out but I think he misses out because he's more of a run and ten for Everton and then you look at Morgan Rodgers Jude Bellingham Cole Palmer doesn't get in the squad so he's in a real tough pool of players to move and dislodge because they're all in good form for England so you can understand the selection but for him I would have liked to have seen him be in it because he's been fantastic I liked his honesty as well he said in his post-match interview yeah I was disappointed I was sad, it was a sad morning and I thought good for you for actually saying that but then coming out and responding in the way that he did getting the goal it's just brilliant with a great mentality and they're the plays you want in your dressing room top signing for Everton and yeah I can see him going on and getting more goals this season it's a great role for him in the Moyes team to have that licence to go and join and get around but he causes a lot of chaos and he does a lot of unselfish running so they're a good little good little purring was that difficult for you?

56:57no because surprise Everton I mean I don't have to sit here I didn't talk about my rival. I think it's well-known, my rival, with Everton. But when Everton play well, I say Everton play well. Yeah. And if he deserves it. I love David Moyes. Yeah. I love David Moyes. When he went back, I said to me, one of my mates is a real strong Everton fan. I said, that's the best thing Everton have done in the last ten years is getting back. He's a top manager. He agrees. He has his teams organised, well-drilled. Everyone knows what they're doing. They're difficult to play against. They've got a nice physicality about them.

57:27But at the right times, they play some really nice stuff as well. And Everton did. they caused Covency lots of problems in the second half. Did Arsenal play some like stuff this weekend? 1-0 to the Arsenal. It feels like their superpower is becoming winning whilst not playing that exciting. Yeah, but that's not a bad superpower to have. When Liverpool won the league under Arnie Schlott, we all gave them a lot of criticism for being, Roy Keane's words, bad champions, because they never really turned up in the next season. And they sort of never had what Arsenal had, which is that real strength out of possession, difficult to play against, not many shots on your goal, churning out clean sheets and winning games in different ways.

58:10If the game's not set up for a lovely game of football and it's a difficult one, Arsenal find a way and they grind. They're like the Arsenal teams of generations ago where if the game needs to be won 1-0 with a scrappy goal, they'll do it and that's what they did to Hull. Of course there were some nice bits within the game. by the way he played really well all the guards obviously got lovely flair but it wasn't an Arsenal game where they go and blow Hull away and I think that's what everyone expects but it doesn't matter there's been a lot of fixtures in this block it's about getting wins and getting over the line and Arsenal are doing everything right at the moment There was a confusing moment in this game with a shirt pull and an offside how did you view it?

58:52Well the referee sort of brought the confusion because there was a 100 % shirt pull it was very similar to the Liverpool one the week before which I think the majority of people believe should have been a penalty and this one should have been a penalty as well probably had a little bit longer so the referee goes to the screen and he comes back and says the reason he's not given the penalty is because there's an offside and he's given the offside against Havertz but Havertz is not interfering with the play so he shouldn't have given the offside therefore he should have given the pen so we're talking about VAR again but the referee sort of didn't fill me with confidence in terms of explaining that it just brought confusion when I watched it back and yeah, Arsenal should have had a penalty like I believe Liverpool should have had the week before because the offside shouldn't have been given the referee gave it by going to the screen Yeah, it's a consistency thing again isn't it?

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1:01:48Right, this Saturday, I don't know if you've marked this or not, but back in 2012, this Saturday coming up, was your 100th England Cup. Was it really? It was. No, I haven't marked that. It was a long time ago. Do you remember it? I remember the game, yeah. Really proud moment for me and my family getting the 100 caps under Roy Hodgson. We lost the game 4-2. Well, Zlatan ruined the day, didn't he? He turned up and seen me getting a little bit of fuss before the game and he's probably just looking and thinking, I'm going to ruin his day, and he did. He scored four. One was an overhead kick, which is an absolute joke.

1:02:23Unbelievable goal. One of the best goals I've seen. Where were you on the pitch when that goal was scored? What was your view? Trying to get close to him. I was meant to stop that. No, but listen, he was unplayable on the day. When you're on a pitch next to Zlatan, he kits big. I mean, he's a big guy anyway, 6 '4", 6 '5", but when he gets the kit on, he just looks even more big and more strong and more powerful. And I bumped into him years after that in LA and I remember saying to him, yeah, thanks for ruining my 100 cap. Appreciate that. But yeah, 4-2, Sweden away. But great moment for me to get 100 caps and join a very small few players on that list was amazing because I never dreamed I'd play for England 100 times.

1:03:10Where do you keep all your caps, like your memorabilia and all that? All my England stuff stays in a bank. A bank? In a bank, yeah. In a vault, in a bank. And I've got access to it if I want to use it for anything. But I know my Liverpool stuff is kept at Anfield. Oh, nice. I think they use it as part of the Liverpool Museum. But it's so important and means so much to me that I'm so paranoid of losing it or something happens where it can't be replaced. so I think it's better to have that type of stuff where it can't be touched When was the last time you went to the vault to go and look at it? A while ago but I've been to get some match-worn shirts recently to give to people who have been good to me Very cool I don't believe I've got one yet but that's okay You haven't asked?

1:03:59I didn't know you had them in a bank You're not going to want to live with one are you being a Man U fan? Well I'll take an England one though Let's see how nice you are then OK, I'm on trial. I'm on probation for that shirt then, clearly. Feels a bit harsh saying from the old to the new, but that's what we're going to now with England teams and who gets elected these days. Josh King has got his first call at 19 years old. I hope he makes it. He went off injured at the weekend, but I think he'll be all right. Yeah, well, reports suggest he will be all right. I think he came off around the 72nd minute with a tight groin.

1:04:34Fingers crossed for him. big moments I'm sure he's delighted with the call up and he thoroughly deserves it I think he's been exciting he's been full of energy and the key thing for me is listening to what managers say you know on the back of him getting called up and Alvaro Abelola came out and said that he wants to learn he wants to grow he wants to continue to improve and that's music to my ears because I really watch I really enjoy watching him I get excited and when I'm about to watch him I think he's really creative, lovely energy, and I think he's going to be a top player. For him as well, when you go to England camp, how much of a step up, how much more experience do you gain from that?

1:05:16How different is it from your Premier League weekend? It'll be very different for him because there's not many Fulham players around. Now, I don't know whether he's got any other relationships with any other players from growing up or younger England teams, if you like, but it'll be a nerve-wracking experience for him. but I'm sure the senior players and the staff will make him feel welcome. Let's hope that the groin thing is just a niggle and it doesn't affect him because I'd love him to get his first cap and I think his Premier League performances for Fulham of late would deserve a first cap and I know that feeling.

1:05:48It's an unbelievable feeling when you get the opportunity. I went into a dressing room with Alan Shearer, Tony Adams, Teddy Schoeningham, Steve McManaman, Beckham, Scholes, Martin Keown, And all these players that I'd watched for so many years in the Premier League and then I'm sitting in Wembley's dressing room and it's just all shouting and screaming, getting ready to make my debut against Ukraine. And it was just an unbelievable feeling. I hope Josh King goes through the same feeling. Incredible. I'm sure he will. Gosh, just hearing you talk about things like that, you went on to do so much, but it all starts somewhere.

1:06:25Yeah, you never forget your first game. For Liverpool, I came on for two, three minutes against Blackburn in the Premier League. I think I had four touches. A couple of them weren't great touches, but I just remember the next day sitting there thinking, I've represented Liverpool. My dreams come true. And then it's the same feeling from an England perspective when you first get that first cap and you're walking out behind some of your heroes. Like, wow. Am I really here? It's a pinch me moment. Incredible. Trent is in the squad again. He hasn't had too many chances at Real Madrid. So he obviously did enough last time out with Thomas Tuchel to back him again.

1:07:01Yeah. Interesting because Rhys James is obviously injured as well. It'd be interesting if he was fit and available whether he would have got selected. But I think Trent getting an opportunity after the World Cup in that three-week window, he must have impressed. He must have trained well. He must have done enough when he got his opportunities in the game for Tuchel and Anthony Barry to sort of want him back. I think Trent's a great player. I think when you're picking a squad of 20-plus players, the tools that Trent's got in terms of opening a defence and his range of passing and his experience that he gained at Liverpool and now he's at Real Madrid I think he should be picked and selected but I think moving forward Trent's got to try and earn the right to get more minutes and more opportunities in the Real Madrid team to sort of affect being a starter for England moving forward in my opinion Whenever these teams are announced you always go through it and you're looking who's in who's out There is no Cole Palmer again.

1:07:59Kobe Maneu, but he's had some injuries. He's missed out. Phil Foden is not in there. Yeah, I can understand Foden and Maneu. Maneu's had an injury problem. He hasn't played many minutes since the last selection. Foden just seems to be a Manchester City sub at the moment. He's had a few starts when Mareska's tinkered with the squad. But if Manchester City picked their strongest XI, it doesn't seem like Foden's in that starting XI. and that's probably the reason why he's not affecting the England team or squad at the moment. There's probably other players that are playing more minutes. They're probably in a better physical condition, and they're producing the goods for their team.

1:08:37So it's understandable, the Foden one. I love Foden. I think if he's in top form, he plays for City and England. But it's certainly understandable from Thomas' selections that he's not near it. The Cole Palmer one confuses me. I understand both sides of this because he wasn't selected in the World Cup Thomas has every right to pick who he thinks is going to help him in the World Cup then he goes back to Cole after the World Cup I think a bit of ego's kicked in on Cole's side where he's gone I'm carrying a little bit of a niggle I never got picked for the World Cup I'm probably not going to play before Rodgers and Bellingham in these games I'm just going to rest it and it came out that he was managing his load and stuff, I don't think that was the right thing to do I think he should have joined up with England and really tried to give that a go, to prove the England staff wrong for not picking him in the World Cup so he doesn't go to that one in September, there's no international break in October, now we're in November he doesn't get selected again so I think Thomas has remembered him dropping out in September, so there's a bit of a there's a bit of an underlying issue here, I think.

1:09:50It's like a cat and mouse thing going on with those two. I think they need to communicate. I think they need to have a 1v1 and have a coffee or a bit of lunch and go, come on. Because I think they can both help each other. I think Cole Palmer should definitely be in the England squad and he should be pushing for minutes in the England team. That's what I see in terms of what a rating in a Chelsea shirt. But I can understand both sides of it. The manager thinks he should have put his body on the line a bit more for England in September. Cole's frustrated from the World Cup. I think this needs a bit of a communication between them both to try and solve this issue because Cole needs Thomas.

1:10:27Thomas needs Cole, in my opinion. In terms of how Thomas Tuchel is doing with the England squad, obviously third in the World Cup, but where would you like to see this progressing and going? Where do you think they're at? Where do you think he wants it to be at? I think he's got to get the team ready for the Euros now for the latter stages and go and try and win it. I think France and Spain are the two teams that I would say are in England's way so we need to get this team at that level I think this team were at that level in the semi-final when they went 1-0 up and for some reason we didn't go for it in an English way which is to roll your sleeves up and be bold and be brave and go for it and obviously I've had a lot of my criticisms and our team did because we didn't show enough from an England perspective and I think in that moment this England group never wasn't the manager's tactics wasn't being a bit guarded and protective to try and protect the 1-0 win I think we can get in the same position again I think we can get to a semi-final of the Euros I would like us to go for it and be bold because I think England's strength is attack attack on players attack on Flair Rodgers Bellingham Kane Palmer Foden all these players the strength of the England team and group is front end sometimes the best way to defend is to attack and I think we went the other way and we tried to put all our attack and flair on the edge of our box to protect in a block I don't think that was the right idea in my opinion I think everyone felt that when they were watching that game so this time when we get to a semi-final which we will because the players are good enough to get in that situation again I want this Thomas 2 team to go for it because I think a bold England can get to another final, and I think a bold England can get over the line.

1:12:20A Thomas 2 team? Is that what we're calling it? I seen it the other day, Tuchel 2.0. OK, there we go. So the whale cut was Thomas 1. Now we're talking that this new team is Thomas 2. Well, I'd like to see Thomas 2 when we get to the semi-final next time. It's to look at our squad and go, we are so good from an attacking point of view, what we've got on the pitch and what we've got on the squad. I don't think it makes sense to protect I'm going to get that on a t-shirt Thomas too Go for it Harry Kane Signs a new contract at Bayern Munich He has become the highest paid player in Europe And I'm going to applaud him for that Yeah, I'll applaud that Well done Harry What a couple of weeks it's been for him Yeah and he deserves it His consistency, his numbers The way he handles himself on and off the pitch He's an elite world class operator and he deserves to be the highest paid.

1:13:14It's the right decision for him to stay at Bayern. I know people were saying, come back and beat Shearer's record, which would be great because Alan Shearer's a phenomenal goal scorer as well. But why would you change when everything's just working so well for you? You're playing really well for Bayern, you're getting coached really well, you're playing in a fantastic team that is built around you.

1:13:34Just why change a winning formula? Why change? And hopefully we see the benefits of that in England's share for the next few years at least. It's England-Croatia. Again, it feels like deja vu. We seem to play Croatia more times than we used to play Chelsea in the Champions League. It's just England-Croatia all the time. 7-0 in the last game. I think it'll be really straightforward again. The game I'm looking forward to is England-Spain because I want to see is there any improvements from the World Cup going against someone you're going to be competing against in the next Euros and the next World Cup have we got enough to go and match them and go toe-to-toe with them.

1:14:15Wanted to touch though on Luka Modric, still playing at 41, the Croatian national size. One of the best players I've played against. One of the players I watched and thought, I would have loved to have played with you, really clever, get anywhere in the pitch, serial winner. I think a bit like Harry Kane where he'd done fantastic for Tottenham and I don't want to disrespect Tottenham because I've got a lot of respect for the club and the fans there. but I just think the move came at the right time to jump to one of them elite teams in the world he went to Madrid and he just went from strength to strength more consistent, playing with better players and he delivered from a Real Madrid perspective but to still be around the Croatian team is great and admirable but at the same time it tells me that the Croatia squad is in transition and they probably have to keep the old heads around because they're not producing the players like they used to in the other generation Still playing at 41.

1:15:09How old were you when you retired? 36. What, England or full-time? Full-time. England, 34. England, 34. But that was to try and prolong my club career, to try and have rest when the international breaks come. But I just don't think Croatia can afford to leave them out. They're still counting on them because I don't think they're producing the level of play they did in the previous generation. I agree. Right, and on that note, we look forward to watching hopefully England beat Croatia once again. Pressure's on though, isn't it? Isn't it? I think we'll be fine. Buy some scoreline. Thanks for today.

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