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2:35Right. So, yeah, I quite enjoy it. Could you believe I have never, never... I can, especially doing this sort of thing. The amount of people who've never seen Star Wars, never seen Harry Potter. It's terrible. It's some people's childhoods. Are you just not into movies? I don't... they've never been a major feature on my razor, no, I have to say. I've never been a massive cinema goer. TV series? Yeah, I'm more like binge-watch Netflix and series at home. But, no, just movies. I've never... I loved, like, the Hunger Games series. Oh, yeah, yeah. Things like that. But, no, the big franchises that everybody loves.

3:17I don't know what's wrong with me. I don't do Marvel, though. I mean, I think this is what I mean I can understand it because like Marvel everyone's like what, you've never seen it I'm like, no where do we even start? Like the chronology it doesn't make any sense but I also think society's changed, hasn't it? Because when we went on holiday in this summer I took a book there was plenty of time to read the book I used to read a book didn't read the book I find it really hard to read books now and I really want to get back into it because I used to really enjoy doing it Here he is So is it just us when's Alex on coming on?

3:44Is he on from the start? No, he's coming on for like a bit of tactics Yeah, he'll do it in a bit later. Good, all good. All good, how are you? Yeah, very good, yeah. Good, good week? Yeah, done something to me knee yesterday, so I'm in tracksuits or T-shirts or cash. Oh, cos you... I'd normally be a bit smart, hadn't I? Hang on, I'm confused. How does your knee affect putting a smart T-shirt on? Cos tracksuits, I've got a bandage on my knee, so to put trackies, bottoms on, so T-shirts... It was one of those, though, you could have done the two-tone, like trackies on the bottom and smart on the top cos no-one would see your legs.

4:16Oh, no, no, no. No, no. Like the newsreader who just wears shorts. Yes. That was Boris Johnson. I'm convinced Boris Johnson used to just be in his boxes. Or worse. Yeah. Oh, there's a... There's your cliff. That's your cliff. Yeah. Right, should we just get cracking with this this morning? It's been a good week for an international... Well, it's not been a good week for Carrick, but it's been a good week for an international break. It's always good if this... You know, City last one, wasn't it? Get something to talk about when... because that England well we're talking about England won't we but let's start I thought they might put the City stuff out this week or you know the the punishment or something like that because it was on the last one wasn't it it was really quiet it made it it's all gone quiet on that front at the minute yeah you know why and it's probably a good thing because you know everybody is more into or wants to watch football and be involved in football and so on the City don't they it'll come won't it it'll you know the punishment or whatever it'll happen but it helps that they've lost some games though doesn't it because like at the start now they've lost it's sort of like but what was the time frame the appeal was 12 weeks but then we weren't sure when announcements or sanctions were they within those 12 weeks I think it's January I think it's meant to be January that's what maybe Christmas but that's when the appeal will all be over but I just didn't know if the Premier League were allowed to sort of sanction them yes that's what I meant I didn't know within that appeal they could sanction them beforehand.

5:46I don't know, it's all just sort of... We should not really, shouldn't we? Since we're on here, the big podcast, you want to talk about something? We should really make a phone call and ask about that.

5:58This is Overlap Daily, brought to you by Skybet. All the latest football stories, the debates getting fans talking and the opinions you won't want to miss. We're bringing you another packed show with Skybet. Today, Becky, Jamie and I discuss Carrick, Kane and we take an in-depth look at Poch and his possible United tactics. Right, let's get straight into it.

6:36Michael Carrick has gone. It is the first time that United have ever sacked two managers in the same calendar year. where were you when this dropped Mark like where did you hear the news it sort of dropped on Monday didn't it it dropped on Monday night I think it was David Ornstein but was it like a notification on your phone did you get a phone call one of the lads on the group chat just dropped it into the WhatsApp group and then obviously it's been a horrible week for Carrick in relation to how long it's taken but I've got to say I was happy I know that's not a nice thing to say but I was happy because I just think I think we spoke a couple of weeks ago when Man United are in the relegation zone.

7:13I don't think that's acceptable. I don't care whether you're an ex-player or not. So I didn't see anything in the last two games beyond players reacting to the crowd. He looked lost since Bournemouth. So I think it's the right thing to do. It's never nice, but other managers get sacked all the time, don't they? So I was happy about it. I know that will annoy some United fans, but I think it was the right thing to do. And, you know, United now, we'll see what happens next. Did you share that sentiment? That it had to happen. Well, he sort of says, I'm happy about it. Well, he's happy because he's United.

7:49I'm not happy, I'm not bothered, really. But it was the right decision. Listen, when it's your club, you're happy because you're thinking a new guy will come in and make it better and you'll start getting his role. So I can totally understand that from a United point of view. But no, you wouldn't say happy. You know, a lad of no, not that well. But obviously, you know, really good lad. every time I bumped into him playing with him in England when you'd see him at different things great player for United as well so it is sad in some ways because you'd always want this sort of ex-player for it to go well and almost not ruin what he's done as a player but I don't think it will he's been there less than a year you see the send-off he got in his last couple of home games and that was nice for him actually and I think I was doing the game on the Champions League and of course I never want Man United to win but there was part of me in the Roma game I think because I think everyone knew he was going to lose his job in the international break I don't think it's a shock to him either but it was just nice to finish on that game and in some ways the Villa game even though it was a bit mad it was nice the way it finished in terms of it was my it wasn't it two late goals energy in the crowd the crowd are up at the end so I was sort of pleased for him on a personal level that he got those sort of last two results at Old Trafford and that's what Old Trafford's about isn't it late goals drama, energy in the stadium.

9:10So almost a nice way for him to go out. And I think he wouldn't say publicly, but I think he'd be pleased now. It's just, it's done. Move on and let someone else have a go because it wasn't working out. Do you think he was treated disrespectfully? Because we're hearing there was meetings in Monaco and he was still at Carrington taking training. I think it's interesting what Jamie says about, because you said it on the last show, that you thought he was going to go in the international break. I genuinely... Another overlap show. Yeah, I genuinely don't think it was. I just don't. I think it was logical that he was going to go in the international break, but I think that that ownership is just so bad that, well, you saw Omar Barada when he celebrated the equaliser.

9:51Was it against Roma or was it against Villa? And he's up there like a fan. That's somebody who's genuinely thinking that Carrick's staying and he's going to keep his job. And I think somebody stepped in on Monday and went, Pochettino's available. What do you think he's staying? Yeah, I think Wilcox and Berrada were pushing for him to stay and I think somebody higher, whether it's Jim Radcliffe or the Glazers, have gone, no, no, no, this is enough. Is that information you've got or is that just a feeling? It's just a feeling because I think on Monday the feeling was that the draw was enough and it would roll on to Liverpool.

10:22Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you ask any United fan on Sunday night, it felt like that point and definitely the way the crowd reacted and definitely the way Berrada reacted, it was almost like, I don't know, You've been in football. A CEO standing up to a late equaliser and going, yeah, come on like that. It doesn't seem like it. I think if you're going to sack someone, probably you sit there and go, because you're still in the relegation zone, aren't you? But I think somebody stepped in and did the right thing. And I think Pochettino probably became available and maybe wasn't available a couple of weeks ago.

10:56So then has the board been undermined here? I hope so. And it's interesting that you said, was he treated badly? well remember Ten Hag won the FA Cup and they interviewed a load of people for two weeks so as much as Michael Carrick is somebody everybody likes and he has been treated badly and it's ridiculous to take training Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday it's Man United is a I hate to say it, Man United is a horrible football club like since Ineos have come in with the Glazers they're a horrible football club they've sacked half the staff they've increased ticket prices they're going to knock Old Trafford down it's horrible and I think a lot of United fans would admit that We love the name and we love what it's meant to be, but it's a horrible football club, so I'm not surprised that Michael Carrick's got treated like that.

11:38But I said it a few weeks ago, I think Carrick should have been a little bit more forceful in interviews because I think he probably towed the party line because he felt loyal to the people who'd given him the job. But United fans said they will chew you up and spit you out and maybe he should have been a little bit more forceful. But maybe he's not that person. But look, as Jamie says, I think he's in the right place now. and he shouldn't take too much. I think some managers get sacked and, you know, reputation's damaged. The way that the United fans sang for him and stuff like that, it's not going to have any impact on his status and hopefully he'll probably just go, I don't fancy management anymore.

12:13Yeah, he might be sacked with you in a couple of years doing this sort of work because it's a lot easier, isn't it? Absolutely. But look, Potch, it's been linked with United, I think it's like the fifth time. Is that correct, Fiss? Ten years, isn't it? Yeah, it's been a long time. Why is now then the right time? because he's available and it's easy to get him I think the other times you're talking about they've obviously gone for someone else so maybe he's in a contract or maybe he couldn't get out of a contract at Spurs with Daniel Levy I think it's really interesting I think when you can look at this succession of Manchester United managers and they've tried everything so what that makes you then think is or it's the people above it's not so much the manager because how can so many managers get it wrong or these type of successful managers who've come in.

13:01But a lot of those managers haven't performed as well as was expected or they should have done, really. And also, when I think of a couple of examples in terms of Van Gaal and Mourinho, you'd always feel like their best days had gone as a manager, I think, before they come to United. And that is definitely a question right now with Pochettino. You know, we keep thinking about the guy at Tottenham. I was funny watching Sky the last few days, Sky Sports News, and I kept interviewing Tottenham people and a couple of the players and fans. And that's if you're a Man United fan, you want the Poch at Tottenham.

13:39But we had him back in the Premier League about three years ago. It was OK. It wasn't amazing at Chelsea. And again, people will point to Chelsea, the hierarchy there. So I think there's a bit for Pochettino to prove as well right now, because I think, and I'm a huge fan of him as a manager and what he did at Tottenham I was starting at Sky then it was brilliant to watch and it was almost him and Jürgen Klopp at the time that style of football both very similar and I think Pochettino was let down a little bit by Daniel Levy at Tottenham because Tottenham and Liverpool at that stage were very similar and then Liverpool went and got Van Dijk and the goalkeeper and just went to a completely different level and Tottenham couldn't do that but that's ten years ago that now and I think Poch has got a reputation that he's up there with the big managers in European and world football, but he hasn't got the big trophies.

14:30So this is what I was actually going to bring up and say, is Poch an elite manager that hasn't won enough or is he a good manager that's not made the final step? Listen, I think you can look at what you've just said there. You can make an argument for both cases, really. My thing is that, not that he didn't win the league at Tottenham. we don't know when City and expects Tottenham to win the league and I have this problem and maybe it's a little bit of a problem going back to my Liverpool days in that there's teams that get spoken about Potts is Tottenham Keegan's Newcastle David O 'Leary's Leeds and at the time these young energetic teams everyone loved the football they never won one trophy and maybe sometimes when people look back not so much all the Liverpool teams I played in we won everything except the league but people say you didn't win the league and I'm thinking, these teams get talked about, left, right and centre, didn't win one trophy, the Carabao Cup, the FA Cup, the Europa League, didn't win anything, they never got over the line in big games and I still hear these teams 20 years later get spoken about, great teams, and they couldn't get over the line in a big game and we did that numerous times as a team, Gerard, Julio and Benitez and we lacked something to go that one step further to win the league but we could get over the line in big games, big semi-finals, big cup finals, beating big teams these teams could never do it now is that because obviously they're not Liverpool but you know sometimes I think a big club going into a big game it's the sense of history and tradition and you know United have that in cup finals sometimes when you think they're underdogs and they get across the line but I do look at those teams I mentioned but also Pochettino and think that team at Tottenham that he created was fantastic but still never won something you couldn't get across the line in a big game semi-final or final and I think that's definitely something he won't be that will not be allowed at United you can say okay it was Spurs but that won't be accepted at Man United I think it's also really interesting as well because I've never known a United fan base react to a manager so passively as they are with Pochettino it's not that they're against him but it's not that they're for him either there's this like apathy really I think that's because there is this belief that something else needs to happen beyond the manager and that may be removing Jason Wilcox or Omar Barada but it's also this fatigue I think of you know 10 years in the making of Pochettino but I remember when he went head to head with Ten Hag and I think it was I definitely think Gary was saying he wanted Parch and most of the fan base wanted Ten Hag and I don't think that necessarily was the wrong thing because Ten Hag well you just said that I mean won two trophies that's not easy to do but where United are now, it's definitely the worst situation we've been in from any manager since Sir Alex.

17:22And I think people are just looking at it and going, you might even drop Luis Enrique in there and he'd struggle. So Pochettino, with everything you've just said there, with a board like that and an ownership like that and a squad like that, and you sort of look at it and people are saying November 27th, he's getting sacked. So in a year's time. And you could almost see him coming in and doing a good job. And then next season, you start badly after a rubbish summer transfer window. and here we are in a year's time reacting to him going. Who else could you have got? I think it's a great appointment in terms of where you are now, who could you have got?

17:54You had to have somebody with Premier League experience just because of where you are in the table. The only real two options, and I didn't think Poch would be an option, is that he'd signed a contract with the US. I thought it was always going to be Eddie Howe because of the Premier League experience. When you've got Poch at Tino... I wouldn't have added that. I wouldn't have liked that. But what I'm saying is who would you have liked? so it sounds like no matter who you say you can say I don't like it because when you're saying the fan base and you know it a lot better than me are not overjoyed right now with Potch the reason being is because they know him when you say a Tenard comes in or an Amaran there's always a mystique about it you don't know really he's won this he's done this you don't watch them every week you don't know the ups and downs they've had in their career but because Potch has been in the Premier League we can talk about him not getting over the line with Spurs or Chelsea not going as well as he would have wanted but if you bring someone in from abroad, there's more of this feeling that you don't really know what's going to happen.

18:49I'll tell you what I do like about Poch, and obviously you've had him on the show, and the media seem to like him, the journalists seem to like him, he's well-respected in the Premier League, he is Premier League experience, so I think he's a huge upgrade on Michael Carrick. If anybody said we'd be better off with Carrick, look at the league table, look at what's going on, so Pochettino's a big improvement, But I absolutely do think that Jason Wilcox needs to be sacked because, and again, we're sacking people, but it just helps Pochettino to not go into that environment. I think that there is this apathy because people are going, seriously, is Michael Carrick taking the full responsibility for this?

19:29Just the same as Amarim did, just the same as Ten Hag did. And I think there's this appetite to go, if you're going to bring Pochettino in and you want a fan base to get behind somebody again, you've got to do more than just blame Carrick and bring Poch in. Do you assume then that Poch has gone in there and been given more assurances? Well, apparently he's quite desperate to take the job. I would hope so. I don't know. You might know more than me in relation to what he's like in his individual, as a personality, because admittedly he is Premier League proven, but I wouldn't say I've analysed what he's like in press conferences and what he's like as a man-manager.

20:02But Michael Carrick came across as being quite under the thumb of that board. And understandably so, because he's sacked by Middlesbrough, comes in as an interim, do you want to be in a Man United job? It's like winning the lottery, isn't it? Romano and people are saying, you know, Pochettino's desperate for this job. But you look at Deserby at Spurs, they begged him. And because of that, he gets a massive budget. He probably gets a lot of control. That's what United need. If he's coming in as a head coach under Wilcox and Barada, and that's a very difficult job. I don't know, what do you think in your experience?

20:32Yeah, listen, he's never going to be more powerful than he is now. Yeah, he will be desperate for the job, I'm sure he would, one of the biggest clubs in the world, but they'll be desperate for him as well and I think he'll know that. And yeah, the squad needs fixing. Like I said in the summer, Man Utd will always spend money, but the situation they're in right now, they can't fix every problem because there's a lot of problems, but they can't fix them all. Because financially, you're in the Champions League this year, but will you be in it next year? You're not a Champions League club. A lot of money's been wasted.

21:01You still owe an awful lot of money out to other clubs now for players you've bought in the last year or two. If you're continually failing with the players that you buy, eventually the tap has to stop for a little bit. I think probably this was one of the summers where it wasn't spending 200, 250 million quid. I'm sure it might take another 12 months for that. You'll have to do it, won't you? You'll have to get it somehow. You'll have to use the youth as well. There are one or two players. If you look at Lacey, maybe there's a couple of others coming through. And I think that's something that he's always had with Southampton and Spurs.

21:32Good at developing. But you know what? The biggest thing is going to be time. And Amorim had just over 12 months. Carrick had six months. It's almost acceptable now, and I was saying this last night, it's almost acceptable now that if he loses to Liverpool and then draws the next game, he will start to hear poch out. And that sounds incredible. No, you won't. I'm around that fan base. Maybe me. They will because it's just, it's becoming acceptable now to make it less and less and there has to be, you're not a need to find somebody and just go this, let's fasten in for two years. And Liverpool get, sorry, go on, Jeremy.

22:12I just think that when you think of Potts as Tottenham and you look up Man United right now, Man United don't look physically ready to play Premier League football and Champions League football week in, week out and that's a big strength of, so that's his way it's just how you can do that in the middle of the season Can you do that? Because you've been in that situation Wednesday, Saturday I remember Klopp well if you're playing so many games you can't train that's the whole point when you hear managers talk a lot and sometimes supporters don't like this sometimes you hear a big manager if they go out to the FA Cup or the Carabao Cup a manager will say it gives us an opportunity to train and fans think what?

22:48You just think we're playing but what they're talking is actually putting running into the players because they know they've got a free week and they can build up to that game of the weekend. When you've got games in between, you can't train. You just can't because everything's a down day. You're recovering the next day and you're building up to the next day. So that's what he'll find really difficult. And I know all of this season, Pochettino will be talking about next pre-season. It's the biggest cliche in football, isn't it? Every new manager goes into a club and says, I can't believe the fitness level of this club because it's the biggest get-out as a manager in the first few weeks.

23:18I think he will probably be well within his right if he says that. I think we could probably all understand that. We've been so unfit, yeah. As we sit here today, he's not currently the job. He's still with the US national team, and they're playing Haiti in this international break. Imagine they get beefed. That's what I mean. Eddie Howe, Eddie Howe. Yeah, it just all feels a little bit disjointed, but coming in as well, so late in the international break, and you've got Liverpool at first, which, I mean, let's face it, that's not the one that you want to be playing as your first game. I mean, I think at some point you've got to bite the bullet.

23:52I suppose the international break gives you a long period of time to do what they've done. And United are very, very slow. If you keep Carrick, you're probably losing that game anyway. If you use Darren Fletcher, you're probably losing that game anyway. If you use Pochettino, I think there is an acceptance. You're probably losing that game. So is it a bad game, really, if they go in and show something? Because he's going to be able to say afterwards, I've only had 24 hours or two training sessions. So, yeah, I think Liverpool's a bit of a free hit. We won there last year. some people think Liverpool are a little bit in transition themselves but I think I was going to ask you about that I think there will be a massive improvement in United I think players will want to come out and sort of like not disrespect Carrick but we've seen it before where they're sort of like I don't want to be blamed for it so almost their levels will go up a little bit and maybe with a little bit of tactical coaching let's just approach the game in this way I don't know Yeah I'm not expecting a big improvement from United United really in that game.

24:54The manager won't have had too much time at all. The players will come back late. Listen, Liverpool aren't amazing at the moment. Last time at home, they played really well against Arsenal, to be fair, but still don't have a shot on target. But in terms of the general game, I think if they play the way they did and have a pace and an energy at Anfield, they'll probably win the game, really. But no, I'm not expecting this big upturn in Manchester United. You don't think they've got it? I mean, this is one of the big concerns we have. There's a lot of players there now. who have been there a long time with different managers.

25:25There's no way Pochettino can do any too much, really, in a day. So he can play a different formation, or he can put players in different positions, if you like. But there's not a lot I think he can do. Maybe the fact there's a new manager there, a new voice there that's trying to impress. But listen, Man United have got a decent record at Anfield, haven't they, in the last few years? They've lost, haven't they? Really. And I think a lot of the times, and I worry about that, as a Liverpool supporter you go into the game and it's not just beat Man United we love the fact that we've had a 7-0 a 5-0 a 4-0 and I said we want to do that again that's what worries me first five minutes 2-0 down but I come away and I get frustrated and I'm a bit like just win the game and we end up losing the game or drawing the game forget all this they're one-offs aren't they you look back in 20 30 years beat Man United 7-0 it's not the norm just win the game that's all I'm interested in rather than giving Man United another good kicking.

26:21Yeah, you never know. You never know. But I think it is a bit of a free hit but the interesting games will be Sporting away after that. Brentford at home, Newcastle away. I think Liverpool, obviously, biggest rival, you don't want to lose it but there will be that accepted. What's all going to fix this day then? So it's Liverpool away. Sporting away. Who's the home game the following week? Brentford. And then in the midweek, is there a midweek Newcastle, Newcastle, and then I think, yeah. Is that away? Yeah. That's what I mean. It just doesn't I mean, Brentford at home's not a giveaway. No. And that's when the problems come, I think.

26:56If you lose to Liverpool, maybe draw to Brentford, lose to Newcastle. I think it shows the strength of the Premier League, really. Because people keep talking about the quality of the Premier League. And I understand that when you look at the top teams, they're not all flying United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, but the bulk of the teams in the Premier League are very, very good. So when Man United are playing Brentford at home, if you win that game 2-1, 2-0 people think Man United should be Brentford but if you're in the game you know that is a great result the way United are right now and how good Brentford are if United beat Brentford I'd be thinking that's a really good result that they won't get credit for because the Man United play in Brentford but that's a really good result because the strength of the Premier League near the bottom is so strong I saw Fulham who I think have been one of the weakest teams in the Premier League go to Villa Champions League team and should have won I seen Forrest play Man City the other day Forrest were in the bottom three that's not a team that should be in the bottom three Sunderland beat Chelsea it's like it's not easy to beat these teams at the bottom than you're expected to It's like when Chelsea got beat by Leeds you've got Chelsea fans going mad online and you're like hold on a minute very disrespectful to Leeds who are having a very good season and it's at Ellen Road Was it Spurs who got beat by Chelsea?

28:12Chelsea Leeds beat Spurs Spurs Spurs Spurs Spurs Sorry it's the same weekend I'm looking up here That's the same weekend, yeah. But you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Spurs fans are going, oh, we thought we'd turn the corner. You're like, hold on a minute, you are Spurs and that's Leeds. Away. Top 15 to play, yeah. I have to say, I admire Crystal Palace's strategic timing because Carrick wasn't the only manager. They obviously anticipated what was coming and just thought, well, we'll try and bury our news in and amongst the United because it dropped, what, a couple of hours after Michael Carrick.

28:39But Pierre Sarge has gone from Palace. I don't think particularly this was his fault necessarily at Palace, but results clearly weren't happening. Yeah, and you know what? One of the best performances was probably the last game against Liverpool. So I watched that game and Liverpool were probably lucky to win the game. They hit the bar at 0-0, didn't they? Hit the bar. At 1-0, there was just too much going on for my liking watching as a Liverpool fan. And now whether that was them playing well or Liverpool not at the races defensively, I don't know. But I just don't think Crystal Palace could take the risk, especially with the new manager, but not.

29:12and you couldn't almost look back at a body of work in the Premier League and go, you know what, he'll be fine, it's just a bad start. It was too much of a risk when you think of the money involved and I think they've been in the Premier League now, I think 14 seasons. Palace are not, they haven't just come up for two or three seasons, they're an established Premier League club, so there's no way Steve Parrish was going to allow that to carry on. They're a bit of a club like that anyway, aren't they? Was it De Boer they had a few years ago where he lost them? Yeah, yeah. I predicted they would go down Palace at the start of the season and I think it reminds me a lot of Wolves where they buy crap and they sell good.

29:46So how many good players have they gone? They've not really replaced them and I think it's a very, very difficult job for somebody who's not been in it. But, I mean, who would they bring in? They'll probably try and bring somebody in who's a scrap. Well, I think Thomas Frank is the lead candidate. Yeah, and that makes sense. Premier League experience. I still think it's, as Jamie was saying, it's a very competitive Premier League and, you know, not surprised he's been sacked but I don't see them climbing out of that very quickly. Is that a good job for Thomas Frank to take off the back of Spurs?

30:14Yeah, I think this is a Premier League job. You know, you forget that... You think of Crystal Palace, he's had Spurs, one of the big clubs in the country. Palace aren't that. But you think of what they've done in the last few years, and I think any Premier League job now is coveted around the world. You know, the 20 jobs in that league, I think you can get top managers. I do, and that's why it's difficult for managers, because, as I said, everybody around the world wants to manage in the Premier League for the wages, the infrastructure, the training grounds are fantastic even at that level so no I think it's a really good job but I think it'll be interesting how he does because I think there is a theme around certain managers who manage Brentford or Brighton and they do fantastic and they go somewhere else and it's not quite the same because clubs just not run the way they are or have the scouting systems they do so I think there's probably a feeling in the game that if you've got a Brentford or a Brighton you've got a good chance of doing well.

31:10So I think some of those managers leave those jobs. And Thomas Frank being one at Tottenham has almost got to prove it's not just about the structure around them or the football club. You can manage elsewhere as well. United currently in the relegation zone. Yeah. But do you worry for United and Palace? I don't worry about United now. I must admit under Carrick I didn't think we'd get relegated but it was starting to get a bit worrying, especially when Villa are doing that at home. Palace, I still think, will go down, yeah. Yeah. Listen, we make these predictions. We don't know what they're going to do in January.

31:48So we say the start of the season, you say Palace, but now they're going to have Thomas Frank as manager. So we always get pulled up on these predictions. I know people click on them and then they'll be back too late. Yeah, but it's like so much changes. I predicted City were going to win the league. That's not going to happen, is it? Well, shouldn't be. I think when you look at the teams down there now, Now, Sunderland obviously got the good result, but I felt Sunderland could be in trouble this year with the European football, just that. Well, Palace have got that as well. The promoted teams have done a lot better than what we thought, haven't they as well?

32:16So that's put a spanner in the works for other teams. And I think that makes, when you talk about Crystal Palace, if you had a season where the promoted teams have probably got three or four points, that maybe keeps Sarge in a job, maybe for an extra sort of six to eight weeks. But it's that fear of going down and the fact that they've all started well. It's probably only two going down as well. yeah oh yeah imagine Man City save Man United that would be alright now can you imagine that Potts is going to do it Potts is going to you know Man City go down and that keeps using the Premier League I still look at it and think can United get into the top five Arsenal Liverpool Brighton so you're not putting City in there yeah and five will probably do it won't it we're top of the coefficient even now already so if Potts it's difficult and he would I thought I was still Liverpool.

33:04Brighton are a good team. I think Brighton will do it. Chelsea will probably sneak in because they've got no other games. And then you're looking at Spurs, Villa. Villa. Villa would always get there, don't I? Yeah, yeah. Always, under Emirates. And I'm definitely putting Villa in there. Your favourite team. This episode is sponsored by Arm Clothing. Here on the Overlap Daily, we like quality. And that's why you'll often see me, Gary, Jamie Redknapp and Mark Goldbridge all in Arne clothing. Arne's range is timeless, offers great value and you can wear it throughout the day to any occasion. Why not check it out in one of Arne's amazing stores?

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34:22I wouldn't miss it. I wouldn't miss it. but I think less I'm someone who goes to games of football and I'm not just talking from a Liverpool or England perspective here I'm talking about any game of football I watch I love referees that let games flow and they're fast and they're intense and you see less of the referees I just think now with VAR it's become more about the referees there's more delays there's more stoppages more frustration the crowd it's just I'm all for Va help in the game but let's just see less of it Does it feel like every time someone goes into a tackle now Va Va Va everyone's just like oh Va is he going to go to the scheme and it's just it's dominating the game at the moment and it's a lot of stoppages we're now playing like 90 plus 8 90 plus 9 minutes and it's like just can we just have it for the main things and can it be quick and can it be swift and get it get it done and let these games flow it's a more enjoyable product when the game flows and then the referee's relying on Va not to make a decision.

35:24The referee is referee the game. It's the same for everyone, just less VAR, less stoppages, less interruptions, let's watch football, let's get the ball in play and get the ball on the pitch. How would you have coped as a player now? Well, the biggest buzz in football, Becky, is outside of winning or winning a trophy, scoring a goal. And I just think now, when I watch my goals or I see them or they come into my life again, and I just look at my emotion and my expression and how I behaved. I'm not sure I could have showed that passion and emotion and that feeling, thinking, is this going to be allowed every time you score?

36:02Is this going to go to the screen? It must take a little bit away from that. And the best thing on a football pitch, the best buzz in a four-year is scoring a goal. I just, I'm glad I played when I played. Do you think now in training as well, well, you're a manager now, well, have been, Do you train a player differently now because of the technology? I don't think you train it different, but you have to make all your individual and the team aware that certain referees and the trends in the game, what's getting given. You have a referee meeting before the start of the season. They come in and say, look, we're going to be stamping down a little bit more on shirt pulling or lunging in at your store, whatever.

36:46They sort of set the scene of what they're looking for. so you have to obviously mention it especially if you have some of the players that have played for me like Alfredo Morelos I was going to say we know Alfredo there's 50 cameras in the ground and they're looking out for you and VAR I know boss next minute Aberdeen red card but what I mean is let's get the ball in play more the ball's already off the pitch for 30-40 % of the time and then you think about the stoppages for VAR and games are going to 99, 100 minutes, it's like less VAR, more football for me. Well, the verdict's in. Stevie would like to get rid of VAR.

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39:05We're delighted to welcome into the studio, presenter and analyst of the overlap breakdown, and Harrison with his very impressive tactics board. How are you? Yeah, I'm all right. It's a pleasure to be here, obviously. Well, thank you. Do you carry this around with you? Yeah, yeah, honestly, I do. I've got one at home as well. I take it across the world, yeah, break down on tour and all that. Brilliant. No, pleasure to be here. Nice one. Well, we love that you're here because you're going to talk to us about Poch. And I think let's start because it's quite interesting. He has played quite a few formations in his time with the United players that he has.

39:38What do you anticipate might happen? To be honest, I've been thinking about it for a while. Obviously, we've done a piece over on our channel as well. But he has mixed around a little bit. There's been a bit at the World Cup where he played a player called Serginio Odesta at right wing, who's naturally a right back. And then he's also been playing around with the idea, obviously, of putting centre-halves at full-back, which seems to be the thing that everyone's doing now. If I anticipate what he's going to do at Manchester United, it's similar to what he's obviously done at USA and at Chelsea.

40:04At Chelsea, he played Ben Chilwell at left wing. very similar to what he's doing or what has been done with Patrick Dogger at left wing maybe a left wing back profile but playing quite high and they played Levi Corwell at left back obviously not exactly the best profiles and looks a bit stodgy at times but it seems to be that this is what he's favouring to do and the reason why he's doing this is to get the more balanced 11 so the thing about Pochettino especially at Tottenham Hotspur and Chelsea and even at PSG he's excelled with using these wingers who aren't exactly pure wingers they're quite false wingers I call them wingfielders it's a stupid term but these are players who stand in here and Cole Palmer's best season under Pochettino was his best season that we know of Cole Palmer it was the season that everyone was talking about him being a generational superstar and he got the best out of him by using these flying fullbacks so we have Malo Gusto on the right hand side who was sort of overlapping on the side of Cole Palmer allowed him to come inside obviously get on that left foot inside the pitch similar sort of dynamic for me straight away when I think about it is what should be happening on Manchester United's left hand side as soon as Pochettino comes in we've got no true wide player on the left.

41:07I think everyone knows that. I think it's the one thing we've been screaming out for. I do think the full-back profiles are pretty mediocre, but what I would say is I think he will favour Patrick Doggo a lot more at left-back. I think he's that type of profile. I think he's energetic. I think he's powerful. And I think he'll provide more legs around and give Man Utd more natural width. And I think that comes obviously with Kunja coming inside. You can have Bruno as a split, and then you can have Ahmad or Mbumo. He might still start in Mbumo up front and obviously have Ahmad on the right-hand side to hold the team's width get a dog on the left hand side and then I think naturally because Man United are shipping so many goals Michael Carrick tried it towards the end I do think Dalloe as well is not someone who I don't think is excelling at United right now I think it's pretty public that everyone's sort of criticising him I think having Lenny Yoro as that right back and obviously Michael Carrick's played around with this idea gives Man United more height gives Man United more defenders and that is what I think Pochettino will end up using the problem is with this there's a lot at Chelsea I noticed there was a lot of distance issues I think he played Conor Gallagher Enzo Fernandes who were very number 10s if you like players who were going to get into the opposition's box and the midfield balance was all off so the distances sometimes can look massive I watched a game for Chelsea at Anfield where he played both Conor Gallagher and Enzo Fernandes and the distances between the deepest midfielder and the furthest forward midfielder was massive it was absolutely huge and I think that's something you see quite a lot I was just speaking to Jamie then I do think people need to just be a bit careful with the Pochettino that is now I think this is a different manager I think this is a manager who at Tottenham Hotspur I will say you come into a league that running and physical power and energy and stuff like that was not new necessarily but it was coming on the horizon Jürgen Kopp was going to come into the league, have a load of that people might say Pep's more positional but still has elements of running they're the best counter-pressing team over the last 10 years So this is a Pochettino that obviously made his stock coming into a league that didn't really know what that looked like.

43:06And I think he's further tried to adapt to what he's doing. I don't think his teams are so fixated on the Tottenham way of flying full-backs, wingers inside, midfielders hitting hard, big centre-ass. I don't think that's what Pochettino does anymore. If you go and watch his US team, if you go and watch his Chelsea team, his Chelsea team had so much of the ball. So much of the ball. They had 59 % average possession in the league, which would put you around about the top in this league. and to be honest it was a bit stagnant and I think that's because he's trying to adapt to this game now over the last, well since he's left the Premier League with Tottenham I think we've seen a game where it's a bit more controlled a little bit more structured, a little bit more powerful but more mid-block, more man-to-man, stuff like that so I think he's gone away and I think he's tried to do these ideas and that has made him into a different type of manager now he's not chaotic if you like we did a data set on the breakdown and all of his passing metrics for sort of the sequence length for how many passes they play per sequence is all far, far higher than when it was at Spurs.

44:03And his direct speed metres per second upfield is so much less now because he's trying to adapt to, I think, a more elite team, if you like, obviously at PSG as well. So I hope that gives a little, well, big enough discussion. Can I just ask, in relation to, you mentioned Dorgou there. Yeah. And Kunja took him in, which would be good. In relation to the centre-backs and the midfield, where do you think he's going to go centre-back-wise? because a lot of people are going to go Harry Maguire, but we were talking off air about Maguire's limitations when he's left on his own. You've got people like De Ligt, you've got people like Aiden Heaven, you've got people like Martinez, and then in midfield, you would assume Maynou, but he's got to put someone next to him.

44:43Yeah, I think, weirdly enough, I was speaking to Duncan Ferguson yesterday literally about this, and we were talking about adapting to profiles. I mean, we had Pochettino on stick to football, and he said that when he went to PSG, he was like, this was the first moment he really started to realise that the players completely dictate what you do. It was pretty abysmal at PSG, but I think for many reasons as well. If you go into a team and your unique selling point is pressing high, counter-pressing, and you go and get the big three up front and you can't do that, I think it's really hard, but I think that actually taught him or at least sort of bent his education in one direction rather than the other.

45:20So I think now you might actually see Man United sit in because as you're saying there, the centre-halves, the centre-room midfielders, I don't think they can go man-to-man all the time. I love Kobe Manu. I think Kobe Manu is incredible. But when the spaces are big, there are weaknesses. And we can't lie. And it's the same for Harry Maguire. It's the same for Lissandro Martinez. Even though Aiden Heaven and Lenny Oro are more mobile centre-halves, they still struggle in big spaces 1v1. It just means they might not get spun, but they'll get done 1v1 or hit it into space. And Lenny Oro has famously done that, falling over and stuff like that.

45:54So, yeah, I think I'd be really interested. I think he still needs to go with a big centre-half, whether or not it's De Ligt or Maguire, because as we're talking like this, if he is going to put Lenio at right back, I do think the right centre-half should still be, you know, someone who's going to get in the box, sort of, you know, bolster it out. And if you do platform it like this, I think you will see, naturally, a better team. I think he did this with De Sasse at Chelsea, very big centre-half, obviously, and he put him in the middle, obviously shuffled it along like this, and it looked a little bit more balanced.

46:21I think Man Utd still need that profile. I don't think this is going to be a time where he can go Heaven, Euro, and we just go for it I think it's too flimsy And Pochettino knows what it is to coach a defence I think his team can see there are only 17 goals in the season Leicester won the Premier League So this is definitely a team, I think, that can defend There's not going to be massive changes No Even though, when you're a fan of a team and a manager comes in We always have to think of like He's going to see something in a player that we don't see I mean you've watched Manchester United probably more than him you know what I mean so when you're talking about which players are going to play with it's still be 99 % of the time it'll still be the same players it's just whether he can get more out of them so when you're talking about okay maybe Dogu comes in now he hasn't played much but you're talking about him maybe covering the whole left flank really as an attack so the guy who comes behind them a lot of the time is going to find himself at left back so it's going to have to be Martinez he's left footed and he's played left back so he's used to being in that position so again if you've got one flying full back and the other right back is going to be a centre-back.

47:22Iorio's been playing and he's a centre-back. So again, you're going to still have a lot of the same people in the same positions because, you know, you might say Pochettino's a better manager than Michael Carrick but management is not just about the team you pick. There's so much around it but Michael Carrick's not daft. He watches the players every day. You know the best players are for Man United. It's getting them into a team and a structure and you mentioned something about big spaces. That's the biggest problem for Man United right now. So that's an organisation without the ball and I think that's a problem for not I suppose every Man United manager if you don't have the players the pitch is so big it is massive and a smaller pitch is a leveler no matter what level of football that you play on if you're playing a team of better if the pitch is tight it means you can just you can get after people a little bit more and that's a problem with United when they play a team who are better than them it's very difficult to get the game as a leveler because there's so much space there and the lack of mobility so this idea that you want them to press high and be like Tottenham if he's there two or three seasons he gets his own players in yes but I don't think that's really an option to be able to do that constantly because you've got no pace at the back so your team the most important thing in football defence if your team's compact not whether you're deep not whether you're high not whether you're mid block it's that you're together as a team and you can't play through them you know so that's going to be the most important thing and that's the reason why it makes it difficult to press high and be like as Tottenham team straight away because you haven't got defenders who are comfortable on the half way yeah and our first game is obviously Anfield and Sporting as well so there's massive problems there I think one thing that I would say is a big positive about Pochettino especially on the ball of what I've seen of Chelsea and USA is they do move, like I've watched Man United so many times and the amount of not showing for the ball, just like a little bit of confidence a little bit, I'm going to go out there and get the ball I'm going to go and get it off the goalkeeper there doesn't seem to be any of that really Now, in the World Cup, they scored a lot of goals through these sort of counter movements, which is obviously like if the ball's coming over here, what they like to do is like to bounce it off and then come inside like that.

49:27And then there'll be someone off the ball somewhere making a counter movement, someone who goes against the grain. And even a double movement where one drops, one runs beyond. There is a lot of movement ahead of the ball for his teams in the past few years, I would say. And I think that's one thing that when I watched Michael Carrick, it feels very slow. It doesn't feel like anyone's active. and I mean, you know how long you're actually on the ball for in a game and I mean, you're a centre-half so you're on it more times than other players on a football pitch but as a footballer, the large parts of the game you play are off the ball and you need to be constantly roaming, looking for the ball and I think that's what Pochettino has always shown he can get players to offer the interesting thing is obviously he got hit with loads of stick at Chelsea because the players who were doing these movements were Ben Chilwell and Malagusto and even though they looked really awkward, maybe it did get the best out of Nicholas Jackson and Cole Palmer, and you've seen that.

50:21So who knows? Who knows? I think there's a lot of struggles. I think there's so many struggles, especially mid-season. I mean, you were talking before about how little amount of time you actually get, and sometimes I think Tanag even said that the games are his training sessions, you know, stuff like that, and that is what it's going to be. I do agree with Jamie. I don't think we'll see United gung-ho. I think it'll be two banks of four sitting, and it'll look very familiar to what Carrick did when he first came in. And then I think he gets to the pre-season, we might see something different. Harrison, you analyse the Premier League brilliantly in what you do.

50:56If Pochettino was sat in now, what do you think is the one big thing jumping out at a Manchester United manager, or you were looking at Carrick doing that, you think if you change that, that will make a big difference, whether it's personnel, set-up formation, what's the big thing that stands out to you that's really glaring from a Man United point of view. It's funny, but we were just saying we can't really do it. Man United have to press. Man United are a pressing club. I've been speaking about this for the last few weeks. Manchester United and Liverpool hate each other. They're the same. They are the same.

51:28On the pitch, the fans, everything. They both want the same things. Our best football, probably poster Alex Ferguson, was probably between Ole, Ten Hag, Mourinho. Ole and Ten Hag, statistically, pressed relentlessly. they were very very good maybe not against the big teams but at home you go after it and I think at Manchester United the reason why I think it got so stale under Michael Carrick was simply because we didn't run hard enough and you don't press at Manchester United team in my mind and we always talk about the DNA and I don't think it exists like I think it's a Fergie thing like you say I think Manchester United have to be a pressing team I think they always have to be a pressing team you look at the Premier League what it is now it doesn't have to be always high press man-to-man go for it in the opposition's box.

52:12We could probably play like Arsenal. You go to Anfield, you adapt a bit. But at home, Arsenal have turned to a team that absolutely suffocate you, with and without the ball. Manchester United have to be 20 yards further up the pitch for me. Always. When I watch them, I just think midfielders, attackers, defenders, just get higher up the pitch. I would rather see, and this is really naive, and I know it is, and this is the tension with modern football. I would rather see Man United team go for it and concede a couple. and look like they're trying to make a step in the right direction rather than sit in and probably still look like we're going to concede a few.

52:47So I'd rather play in the right way if that's even a thing. When you think of when, because we've linked Pochettino and Klopp together when they both come to the Premier League, and when you remember Klopp when he first came in, he obviously doesn't have Van Dijk at the back, doesn't have Matip, these type of players. Or did he have Matip? No, he didn't have Matip. But he had Lovren. But what you're talking about there is, he didn't sort of go away from his general idea it was almost a case of we might get caught out of the back at certain times and then eventually we'll get our Van Dijk in people who can cope with that so what you're sort of saying is rather than Potch think I'll get through a certain period of time with these players actually no this is my idea whether it's changed slightly from Tottenham but as I said this is what Manchester United have got to be yous have got to adapt and actually we will lose some games because we haven't got pace at the back and we've got to bring defenders in, basically.

53:39But this is still my idea. When you think of Klopp in that first game away at Spurs and Liverpool players are just running everywhere, Lallana comes off, falls into his hands. Is that what you're saying? You don't want to almost wait. You don't want Potts to wait to be himself. You want him to be himself now and then go, OK, at times you will lose games and you're waiting for the right players. I think in their own games as well. We've spoke about it so much. You think about Bournemouth, if you think about even Villa, there's this absolute misunderstanding. And we were talking about on Stick to United, like Wayne was like, the crowd can be up for it.

54:13And I'm like, well, the crowd's simmering at Anfield. It's simmering at Old Trafford. Then the whistle goes. And if the players in the first five minutes give it, they're boiling. But so many times at Old Trafford, they don't in the first five, 10 minutes. Now, obviously, Fergie days, the fullbacks bomb forward. People get in the box. You get a couple of corners. It gets the crowd up. They're so stale. Like you said, you can do it in stages poch can't he at home first 10 minutes let's get the crowd up you're going to get a better performance and away from home he's obviously not got a great record away from home anyway but you can be a little bit more counter-attacking yeah I just yeah honestly that's the one thing I'd say and I think the big thing about Manchester United is we've seen interim managers come in and sort of get Man Utd back in the Champions League and I think you earn your time as a manager but I don't think you have to do that in the board's view you have to do that with results obviously Manchester United we were speaking about before we don't know if they're going to get Champions League.

55:05That's a mile away from where we are right now, also in the Champions League, still in the FA Cup as well. So I think right now Manchester United have got to see something, that they go, right, if we get centre-half and a left-back, I can actually see us going, taking the next step. Show a vision. Yeah, just a bit of a vision, because I think under Carrick last season, you're talking about the games there. I remember playing Leeds at home and Brentford at home, under Carrick, in the interim spell. And I think we might have even beat Brentford or something, or drew to him, but we were battered, and they suffocated the life out of us for the entire game.

55:35It was just results last year. And it was just results. And then you get to the summer, and then he goes, right, I'm going to try and take the step forward now. And then he does that, but the players haven't got a clue. Like we were saying before, distances, timings, cues to jump out, they're all missing because you haven't worked on it. It's not in the rhythm yet. So I think, you know, I was doing research, and I think it was like Jack Cork was saying something along the lines of, you need two hearts to play for Maurizio Pochettino and stuff like that. I think at least if Pochettino doesn't succeed, and let's be honest, there's a high probability of a Manchester United manager not succeeding, at least just set a bar where the players are at a physical level where we can at least, if another manager comes in, still be able to press high, stand on the halfway line and defend, defend from the front and get after second balls and just do the basics of football.

56:24Because in the Premier League, the good teams, the decent teams, all excel at that. Leeds and Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, all of them. And when you're talking about those teams and we talk about centre-backs and I'm probably contradicting myself a little bit here with Manchester United because it won't be perfect if certain players are on the halfway line. But you can't tell me those teams who press high, who push up the pitch, all those centre-halves are Van Dijk or are Lightning Quick. They're not. Like at Brentford. Exactly. You had Tim Ream doing it in the World Cup. It's about that organisation and when you do it and Pochettino and all that better than it was.

56:57and I really honestly just before sorry Becker no go on finish it off round it up for us I really do like him like I know he's been to football before I really think he has a proper charisma to him I don't know where that is now in terms of his coaching career but I think you feel like you can handle Man United sometimes you look at certain managers and you think oh that feels a little bit too much for them or I always thought that was Ten Hag to be honest and I actually think Ten Hag in the grand scheme he's did alright got a couple of trophies I think finished third one season but he never looked comfortable in front of the camera.

57:29I think he'll always look comfortable only by the team. Well, Potch, I'm sure he will. Let's clip this and send it to Potch. It might help him give him some ideas. Thank you so much. Really appreciate that, mate. Well done. Thank you very much. Nice one, guys. Hey, we're Nick and Jack, hosts of The Best One Yet. Behind every episode, there's research, email, spreadsheets and our shared Google Doc, the Headline Hammer. With Google Workspace with Gemini, Google's AI is built right into the premium versions of tools we already use, like Gmail, Docs, and Sheets. No new tools or extra logins, just personalized AI for the way we work.

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59:49All right, welcome to Six of the Best, brought to you by Super Six. This week, we are going to be discussing the best British footballing exports. You've got your lists in front of you. You're scanning. Does anyone jump out for you? Are we going to go down the list? Yeah, let's go down. So first up, Ballon d 'Or winner, Harry Kane. Yeah, boring. He has to be up there. 100%, yeah. He is definitely a big tick there. Next up, we've spoken about some more resi today. Kevin Keegan. We'd have to be there, wouldn't we? He'd have to be a Ballon d 'Or winner. won the European Cup a little bit before my time didn't he?

1:00:24runner up they got beat by Nottingham Forest I'd know that if I was a Forest fan

1:00:32but yeah two Ballon d 'Or winner a little bit before my time and yours really but I suppose it's the legacy of growing up in the 80s you used to hear about it a lot and it's probably one of the best he's won the Bundesliga title hasn't he as well Ballon d 'Or winner he'd have to go with that Jude Jude? I think he'd have to go with Jude, to be honest. I think to go to Real Madrid and almost just own the place. He was there two minutes and he was banging in goals, arms out. He won the Champions League in his first season, didn't he? His confidence is just incredible to fill. I'm just a bit worried about we've gone three from three.

1:01:05I know. That's the only thing. And I'm looking down the list. Can we question Mark Bellingham? The problem is the people who put the list together. They put all the best ones in order. We haven't got it wrong. they should have but it's like when you all do a concert and there's songs you like and you don't like and then they do a load of songs that you don't like and you're like it's like you've got to keep putting the odd it's always Slade at the first then it's Wizard and then you get down to five or six and it's Cliff Richard alright well let's question mark that let's just go through and we can come back I just think the next five are all really good as well because somebody else that dominated Real Madrid was Gareth Bale Yeah, I mean, look at what he won.

1:01:48Five Champions Leagues. Didn't win a Ballon d 'Or. Why didn't he win a Ballon d 'Or? I suppose it's the whole Messi-Ronaldo era, wasn't it? I mean, I think it's difficult not to put Bale in. You look at what he's won, but it's also he had, I mean, that overhead kick against Liverpool. There's the goal he scores against Barcelona to win. So the actual trophies he's won, a lot of the time he was on first choice. Yeah. At Real Madrid, Bale. But I think there's quite a few of these trophies where he's had his final moment in the game. Even, I think, the Champions League final in Lisbon against Atletico Madrid.

1:02:23He's spotting that, isn't he? That's what I'm saying. I think he's heavily involved in that. The Liverpool won the same. There's one against Barcelona in Valencia's ground where he gets the ball on the half way and he goes on a run. So, Bale has to be him. OK. Big tick, Gareth Bale. Macca! I think that Maneman, even though I'm a United fan, I did like him at Real Madrid. and I thought he was, he's a bit of a forgotten player, I think, as well. I think he's known for his punditry more than he is for his ability and the fact that he, he was brilliant at Liverpool. I think that says a lot about him as a man.

1:02:55And Real Madrid did fantastically well. I remember watching them on Champions League nights on, it was probably ITV then, wasn't it? Well, we've picked four, so we've basically got one out of the rest, haven't we? Yeah, and the rest are Gary Lineker, Chris Waddell, David Beckham, John Charles and Laurie Cunningham. I love Waddell at Marseille, you know. I know, but if we put Steve McManaman right now as a question mark, as in we'll go through the rest, I don't think Gary Lineker at Barcelona. No. Not for you? They played him on the wing, didn't they? I'm sure he got played on the wing. Yeah, he did a little bit, yeah, but that was, I think, the Cruyff system, 4-3-3, only had one striker.

1:03:35Probably didn't win enough for, I don't know what his goal was, 58 goals in 150 games. no I don't think Gary Lineker can go in well we've got to get rid of some people yeah yeah yeah Chris Waddle always get rid of Lineker Chris Waddle I just remember Waddle being on Football Focus every Saturday because that is the only clips you've seen and he always used to seem like he was running past 20 players and scoring he was a brilliant player it's hard to judge because it was so long ago well he got beaten in the European Cup final by Red Star Belgrade on penalties and that team Red Star Belgrade were unbelievable but in the final I always remember playing watching it and in the final they completely changed and they basically played for penalties this team against Marseille Wadler was a fantastic player but I just I don't think you can put him in on the back of winning three leagues at Marseille so I think he misses out I think Bex misses out I think with regards to Beckham the Real Madrid move is well documented that it didn't necessarily go the way it should have done and he had to fight back almost to have the best period at the end when he'd been left out Great career in relation to AC Milan, PSG, obviously MLS as well, but his main thrust of his career was Man United in the Premier League.

1:04:47I agree. John Charles, I don't know. I do know the name of his well-being. No, but what I'm saying is, Laurie Cunningham comes after John Charles, so John Charles is definitely a question mark. Laurie Cunningham plays for Remedied.

1:05:04Obviously passes away, really terrible accident. but would we put him in I think it's out of John Charles or Steve McManaman yeah John Charles is an absolute legendary figure I've got me Steve McManaman scouser who want to put in scores in a European Cup final wins two Champions League but John Charles was an absolute god in Juventus he wins three Serie A was the league's top scorer one season Italian footballer. It's like comparing... His nickname was... Was it... I haven't got no one in my area, so... Is it Il Gentile? Anyone know what the nickname was? Was John Charles the Gentle Giant or something like that?

1:05:51The Gentle Giant. The Gentle Giant. And I think he used to play centre-back and centre-forward. Wow. I mean, this is when the Busby Babes were playing. This is how long ago it was. It's so difficult, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, look, I'd be happy to put someone in from that era just simply because it's reflective of being fair across the long era. I think John Charles is one of those players who went abroad and was an absolute like... It was probably, what's the word as well? It's a bit like Matt Busby taking United into Europe because he believed in that pathway of European football and he's a trendsetter, somebody who started it all off in many ways.

1:06:28I'd go John Charles. OK, John Charles is in... Can we leave Mac Maneman out? One, two, three, four. I think we can put Macaroon oh we can put six because we've got Harry Kane Kevin Keegan and that's the drop that's the mic drop because it's the super six yay there we go that was super six six of the best don't forget you can enter your super six predictions on the app for a chance of winning up to a million that'd be nice wouldn't it 18 plus T's and C's apply

1:07:05All right, let's talk England and Harry Kane last night, who became the England men's most capped player. 126 caps, which was just incredible. Did you see the scenes pre-match? They were amazing. That Tifo, the Ballon d 'Or, his family, Prince William, Peter Shelton was there. It was just... I felt emotional watching it. It was the best bit of the game. Because I didn't end up watching the rest of it. But it was nice for Harry Kane. It was nice for Harry Kane, because I think it's very rare for an English player to win the Ballon d 'Or. 126 caps. obviously scored as well and it was nice to be at Wembley and you know he's a fantastic player he's a great great advert for English football I do think they get more caps now because they play more games but you know Judy?

1:07:49Yeah I think they do Ronaldo's played like 250 games for Portugal or something like that Do they play more games? You know I've never I think they do Nations League Yeah yeah I think they do but longevity anyway sports science but Harry Kane's fantastic player A man's just in his peak, in his prime right now. Signed the new contract at Bayern. But what do we make of what happened on the pitch with England and where they are with Thomas Tuchel? You didn't watch the game, so that's possible. If I'm allowed to say that, I'll be very honest because I'm going to watch the Spain game on Sunday. It feels a bit deja vu when you look at England.

1:08:21I mean, I watched bits of it. I wouldn't say I watched it all. I was sort of flicking. It's not England's fault. I just think international football in general. I don't know. when you watch the Premier League it just feels like it feels like the football the noise everything's just energetic and it's just international football can't create that it does in tournaments basically you know we all get behind the national team then but I think England are that sort of that strong now that it's just that game even though it's Croatia and they are you know a good nation football and wires I know we batted them didn't we a few weeks ago but in general they're a really good team but I think England are at the stage now where that's almost seen like like a top Premier League club would treat the Carabao Cup am I getting ready for Sunday against Spain that's what it is you could see some of the players there and even some of the best players when I was watching it felt like just get through this game the big games on Sunday and that's the level England are at now with the win games at ease because of players like Kane and Bellingham and players like that Do you play those sort of games when you played for England do you play some of those games where you're sort of thinking about Liverpool and what's to come at Christmas and stuff like that almost like you don't want to get injured, or is that a myth?

1:09:32Because you do sometimes hear that. To be fair, I was not in a position to be like that. If I played for England, it was a big thing. I was probably doing well to be in the squad, or I was a good squad player, but I was never going to be in the first 11, so if I got a chance to start, no, I wouldn't have those types of feelings. But if I was a Stevie Gerard, John Terry, real first-in type of player, yeah, they probably would coach through certain games, knowing what was coming afterwards, but they knew they were always going to play. that's normal that's not a criticism that's just the nature of top footballers and you probably saw that last night watching Bellingham and Kane and you know there'll be different players when they play Spain on Sunday but no I think that the top players now and again they'll get through certain games even in the Premier League and you'll see a completely different player playing midweek in the Champions League against a Real Madrid or something it's just everything just raises that's normal for them but in terms of Kane there's a point you made there about the Ballon d 'Or how many players have won it when they're playing in England though.

1:10:30So Kane's won it playing abroad. Keegan, people say, oh, Keegan won it twice. Keegan won it twice, didn't he? Two years running. Yeah. But that was with Hamburg in Germany. So there's not that many players who have actually won it. There's Michael Owen, isn't it? Well, Michael Owen, I think, obviously go back to Bobby Charter when he did in these Stanley Matthews. So how long is it since an Englishman actually won it in England? Why is that? Because the Premier League is supposed to be the most intense. Exactly. I said it a few weeks ago I think if you can look like Gerrard Rooney Lampard and maybe a little bit later maybe not but I think also the Ronaldo Messi thing just sort of dominated it but we are talking about a long period of time and I think I think there's definitely players now who know they're going to be the best players in the world think about the Ballon d 'Or a lot more it's not just the English players you know you look at like Mo Salah the numbers he was putting in at Liverpool shamefully ignored by the Ballon d 'Or I don't think he even got in the top three many times so how many Premier League players won the Ballon d 'Or Ronaldo didn't he Ronaldo Man United but we talk about the Premier League being the best league in the world but I think most players still see if you want to win a Ballon d 'Or you think I've got to play for Barcelona or Redmond it always has that feeling doesn't it those those sort of it's still the clubs no no I know but for whatever reason when you look at English football and especially English players in English football yeah Yeah, probably be a very long...

1:11:56Harry Kane probably never wins it if he stays here. Definitely Tottenham. Well, I don't know if people are hoping that if Potts is in charge of United, maybe at the end of his buying contract he'll see how his days back... Too old. Will he be too old? I mean, why is he 33, 34, signed till 29? He's 33 now, so he'll be 36. You never know. You never know, but I would have thought he'd be too old to come and break that Shearer record. Well, I think it would be an interesting one. I think I saw some clip on Instagram where somebody asked him the question on this England stuff this week. And I think he said, when I went to Bayern, I always thought in my head I would come home.

1:12:31And then, of course, I think now it's gone so well that he's like... It gives him a chance to win the Champions League. A player of that calibre, a Ballon d 'Or winner, you want to have the Champions League on your CV. He's come very close with England. I think the next tournament with England, they have a really good chance of being at home. Yeah. So he's got that with England, I think he's got a good opportunity to come really close and Bayern gives him the opportunity of probably guaranteeing quarterfinals every year at the Champions League and then need a little bit of luck. Atmospheres are great in Bundesliga as well.

1:13:02You played there, didn't you? In the Bundesliga? No, like for Liverpool. No, not for Bundesliga. You know what? Can't you remember your stint with Hamburg? I remember your stint in the Yellow Wall, didn't you? Yes, it is a great atmosphere, yeah. That is definitely one to tick off the bucket list for anyone. any of our viewers but I was watching funny come on Sky they have like a highlights programme on on Sky the weekend stuff because we've got the Bundesliga and I was watching that the other day and like just like clubs you wouldn't know too much about the app as you said the banners the crowd it was fantastic it does look a really good place to play but we never played many German teams I never played Bayern Munich in Europe we played them in the Super Cup final but it's a one off game we never played a home and away against Bayern Munich Wow really?

1:13:51Strange, isn't it? Yeah, that seems unbelievable. I played 150 games in Europe for Liverpool and played Bayern Munich in a whole other way. You've been cheated there, aren't you? I know. Yeah, I'm a guss about that. All right, so with England, we're saying it was what it was last night. We're going to judge them after Spain and more elite competition at the weekend. Is that fair to say? Yeah, I've been in international breaks anyway. OK. Are they only able to judge England in tournaments? Yeah. But they do love it. You know, if you're South American and you go and play for Argentina, you're playing good countries every break, aren't you?

1:14:21because they have a collection of probably 12. But our problem is, apart from McLaren, when are England not going to qualify for a major tournament? When are England not going to hit the quarterfinals of the Nations League? Italy would have said that at some point. Yeah, it can happen, can't it? But it shouldn't. We will leave it there for today, gentlemen. Thank you very much for your company. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This has been a Global and the Overlap production.

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