Goldbridge & Hart React To England Squad, Donnarumma's Form & SAF Being A Gentleman | Overlap Daily

0:00Overlap Daily is brought to you by our title sponsors SkyBet and SkyVegas. This is a Global and the Overlap production.

0:30logins, just personalized AI for the way we work. That means less time on the work around the work and more time finding the stories worth talking about. Get AI tools for work. Upgrade to Google Workspace with Gemini at go.gle slash workspace with Gemini. That's go.gle slash workspace with Gemini. Most AI knows data. Toast IQ knows restaurants. It helps turn Detroit 75's numbers plus what works across thousands of restaurants into insights we can actually use. That's AI that's worked a double without a lunch break. Visit toasttab.com to learn more. Pay testimonial from an actual Toast customer.

1:04You know what I keep seeing online? People finishing college degrees way faster than you'd expect, like months instead of years. And it hit me. Most people get stuck because they need a faster way to make progress. That's what study.com is built for. Online college courses on your schedule, at your own pace, on your phone or your laptop, with hundreds of courses that transfer to more than 2 ,000 colleges and universities. So instead of putting life on hold, join the thousands of students earning their degrees faster and for less at just$95 a month. Go to study.com slash podcast to start earning college credit and get 10 % off your first month.

1:40That's study.com slash podcast. Hi, this is Robert Mayes from The Athletic Football Show. In the market to buy a new car, you're not alone. Navy Federal Credit Union members have a helping hand. Technically, a helping globe. A mission assistant whose mission is guiding you through your car buying journey, offering low rates that can save you more. Your mission assistant helps you budget, estimate your payment and understand your terms. So you roll into dealership ready to negotiate on your terms. Mission assist. Everything you need to buy a car all rolled into one. Navy Federal Credit Union. Our members are the mission.

2:14Navy Federal is insured by NCUA. Credit and collateral subject to approval.

2:22Have you got a book out yet, Joe? No. Be up on here if you did. Oh, no, no, no. It's not my thing. I don't know. I don't know if I could do it. Because you have to really, really go into it. And I find myself pretty boring. I've got a book out. Have you? Yeah, I did it about two years ago. Go on. Football According to Goldbridge. Which was basically just... Is it on here? No, they haven't put it on here yet. Why not? Not good enough. I'm going to bring one up. But no, it was good fun. Because I didn't actually write it. It was more of like a... It was been interviewed and then they did the book.

2:59And then I got it for about a month to read through it and edit and add a few sort of jokes and stuff in. Right, okay. But it was just really like my story of football from a kid to where I am now. But the best bit I enjoyed about it was that... I used to do a paper round when I was like 10. Yeah. And you're always the original Fabrizio Romano because I'd read all the morning papers, get on the bus. And there was a couple of times where Roy Keane was going to go to Blackburn and I got on the bus and I had to be about 12 and I was like he's not he's going to Man United and all the older lads well I almost got beat up for it they were like he's going to Blackburn and I was like no he's definitely going to Man United but there was no phones or anything like that Was that a big story where the team was gone from Forrest?

3:37Yeah yeah yeah because I lived in Nottingham so yeah I think a lot of I think a lot of Forrest fans wanted him to go to Blackburn for some reason because they were dead excited but obviously they were exciting but because I was United I was like no he's going to Man United it's a last minute change and I always got beat up on the bus and then on the way home everyone was like, you were right. I was like, yeah. Yes. Yeah. But interesting 40 years of Sir Alex today. Today. So I see his picture there. Yeah. Quite similar actually in that picture. What, me and him? Yeah, similar sort of barnet, mate.

4:07Yeah. He better look longer. No, he doesn't. He does not. Well, I suppose you'd have many, a lot of people have been asking me like what are your big memories of those 40 years, but. I've got some great memories of him. Yeah, go on then. I remember I was a neutral in 1999. In fact, I was an English supporter. Yeah. So I remember the cup final. Because you're younger than me, so you'd be like... Yeah, I'm just coming up 40. Yeah, so... So what was I? I was 12, 11, 12 then. Yeah. It was pretty cool times. I used to love, like I've said it, I didn't get much football. I wasn't a Skyman when I was younger, I saw David Seaman and Peter Schmeichel.

4:52I couldn't wait to watch either of them play, especially when they played each other. But just all the drama, I used to obviously watch how the Arsenal-United drama unfolded. I loved that rivalry. Yeah. Loved it. It's the best I've ever seen. And how he handled it. Obviously, I got to play against his teams many times. I got pumped by his teams. And then I was on that, you know, when it started to turn a little bit, and that was an amazing feeling to beat Sir Alex Ferguson's Manchester United. That was when we really felt we'd arrived. What was he like after? Did you ever see him after games? Would he come in or was he...?

5:26Not really, but I think what always resonated with me was his reputation as a real gentleman. And when I'm young and I'm hearing people going, oh, you know, he learns everyone's name, and I'm thinking, well, does that make you a special person? And then the older I've got, and the more I realise how important he was as a senior person to make people feel, make them feel special, to make them feel wanted, to make them feel welcome. It's a bit of a, without wanting to sound old, a bit of a dying art. And I love that. I love those characters. I love those old school class characteristics. And I think I also really like the fact that he was, it was pretty apparent that if you felt the wrong side of him, you knew.

6:08Like in modern football, I think that's a difficult art nowadays because people are very sensitive and rightly so. I quite like the old school, you're either on my team when you're against me or if you're against me, it's going to be difficult. I think he was the master of that. I think for me, there's probably two big memories from the 40 years. Because my grandad was the reason I got into Man United, I think there's two things that when he was still here that I remember was 99, which was the pinnacle. and I think it meant I loved it I was about 18 at the time so I was living in Ireland drinking it was great but when I got back and spoke to him you could just see that because he'd remembered the Busby Babes and it'd been a long time since 68 and also going back a bit previous to that was the Steve Bruce headers you know so I think for me it's like I mean his whole career at Manchester United was just sort of incredible when you look at where the club is now and where it was when he picked it up.

7:16This is Overlap Daily, brought to you by Skybet. All the latest football stories, the debates getting fans talking and the opinions you won't want to miss. We're bringing you another packed show with Skybet. Today, Joe Hart and I talk all things Manchester United, Man City, the England squad announcement and give our predictions for the Premier League this weekend. Right, let's get straight into it.

7:55I mean, look, let's bring it to the now. Man United did win on... God, it's been a long week. Tuesday. Tuesday night, yeah. Half-time, it wasn't looking too good. What do you think that does now? Do you think that's like... I'm interested to know your opinion on it because I've been speaking to United fans all week about it. How do you look at that? Do you think that that 45 minutes against Roma, is that a turning point? You've been in the dressing room, you've probably been in bad runs. I think in that dressing room, if you're a player, you can't help but hear the noise. And I think they would have expected...

8:30I don't know. It doesn't sound like there's great communication at Manchester United in terms of from the hierarchy to the management. Yeah. So I think that Bournemouth game, I think the lads would have possibly expected a change this is me just trying to get into the psyche this is no personal feelings towards Michael how he's doing it was just if I'm in that dressing room I'm losing against Bournemouth and I'm thinking I'm checking my phone I'm thinking there's going to be some sort of change here and then when I see there's not I think there's a real opportunity to go where are we at here like I said I talked about I talked to I think it was you that I talked to about it or it might have been Ashley when you talked about Bruno Fernandes and what goes on straight off camera and then the conversations, how important they are away at Carrington Training Ground.

9:17I think those conversations would have had to be key. You can't ignore the elephant in the room. I think Michael would have had to address the situation to the players just so they've got a little bit of understanding. Like I say, I watched the first half and it looked ominous, didn't it? Yeah, it could have been 4-0 down. I don't think anyone in that stadium would have thought, Man United were going to come out and produce one of these kind of miracle second halves that they've produced over the years under Sir Alex. And I think I remember Harry Maguire scoring late. I can't remember who it was.

9:49Leon. Yeah, the Leon game. You know, where the atmosphere revs up and people get to forget. I think you've got to forget all about your baggage in that second half as a Man United fan. You can just enjoy it for what it was and seeing them playing with passion and Kunja kissing Lacey and all those kind of moments. And it was nice to see. for the team it was nice to see for Michael his kind of cool calm reaction I think pretty sick way to do things did you see the I think it was Rooney Youngie they were so close to Carrick and they're all going mad and Carrick but Carrick's just like going I think that's because Michael's such a he's such a fair level guy he knows that isn't he knows that isn't the end of whatever's going on right now he knows he knows that's just a moment and it's almost I don't know whether it was a plan the way they scored the goals whether it was a conversation but there's a lot of hard work to do in that dressing room.

10:42There's a lot of hard conversations. I think you'd be some buzzkill to ruin that night but the next day it's straight back to it. They know they've got a really tough game against Aston Villa on Saturday or Sunday whenever it is and you're like, here we go again. Yeah, 100%. We were just talking off air, you were saying what's the reaction been to that and you're absolutely spot on. I think the buzz of the night and then you wake up the next day and you go, look, we've still got one winning nine in the league. We've got this big game against Villa. One thing I did want to ask you was because I think that there's a lot of conversation about the blame being with the players, which I don't necessarily agree.

11:23But the one thing I would say to that is that the predominant majority of these players are the players that got him the job. And now it's almost like if they lose, the players aren't playing for the manager if they win or look at the job Carrick did and we've almost got into this situation now where I do think that's important that it's mainly the same players that got him the job but now they're being the ones that aren't playing for him I mean how does that even happen? You've been in dressing rooms or is that just not the case? No, it won't be the case of necessarily not playing for Michael they'll just all be in such a low ebb of confidence and football's such a mad game.

12:04We'll probably talk about Celtic in a bit. They were in exactly the same moment, one-nil down at home, the stadium, kind of dreary. And I've been in goal... I think you're such a selfish person as a player. You're so selfish and that's not necessarily a negative. You could have asked me who my manager was in the middle of a game and I wouldn't have cared. I wouldn't have been doing it for him. I was so focused on what I was trying to do and what I was trying to do with the players and the players will be doing that whatever problems you've got off the field when it comes to game day especially in front of your home fans or even away fans and the energy you get from the home support when you're in an away stadium you can't afford to think like that I don't think any player would ever think well I'm not trying I'm only going to go 80 % today but sometimes just that ability just escapes you and it's a confidence thing because you can play for everyone all of those boys at an unbelievable level you put them in amongst good players and you'd be like these are elite the touches the sharpness the awareness they're light years ahead of amateur football but just in those moments when things aren't going your way you can almost feel like you've got lead in your boots and I think Man United are having that feeling at the moment whereas when you're full of confidence you try a pass it doesn't work you don't it's already forgotten it's like that would have been a worldie that would have been a great pass whereas when you're on the flip side of that your confidence is down that bad pass and you hear in the 75 ,000 seats of stadium you'll hear four people groan do you know what I mean and it's like it's it's a psyche of the whole thing and you've got it's so hard to turn it and that's why Man United are in such a difficult situation at the moment because no matter what they do they're just unable to turn that tide and it's not through lack of effort and it's really difficult at the moment Just Bruno Fernandes on Tuesday night cut back from Belaber it's slightly behind him puts it over the bar turns to him and basically tells him to F off throws his hands in the air a lot this gets splits the United fan base because we love Bruno but some people look at him and go you know like what you were saying there sometimes it's confidence sometimes you're playing in oppositions that's better than you and the frustration hits in and that's probably not going to make you hit the target as much as a when you're when you're relaxed do you think that it as a player on the pitch captain swearing at you when you misplace a pass i mean roy keen used to do it a bit years ago yeah but that's the player that that the captains like he's not really made a secret of who and how he is and i actually did a piece on him with when I was doing match of the day analytically on Bruno Fernandes because I was like again I was putting myself in that dress room and I thought and if I saw that and I was like what what's he trying to get out of this because you know I've bumped into him I've asked players about him and he seems he seems like a lovely guy he's got really high standards he speaks really well and I think to that maybe to the outside world him conducting himself that way is detrimental and I think sometimes it is.

15:22But I think once you get to know him and him as a player, I did a piece and I watched him and he was kind of flailing his arms a little bit, but he was asking for more. So he was asking for more and then eventually in this game, he got what was asked for. It wasn't necessarily, I don't think it was for him to score, but he got something out of one of his players who he'd been on. And like the joy and almost like he believes in the player more than they believed in themselves at that moment in time. Yeah. and he didn't I don't know there's all different ways of doing it right and his is it looks horrendous when the team's going badly and it's going to be it's an easy narrative but I think he's consistent with it and I think he's just pushing for excellence all the time and like I say the way that he carries himself when Man United aren't doing well it really doesn't look good but I'm not one to believe that he needs to change because they're not doing well at the moment because that's what gets him at his best when he's scoring all the goals and making the assists.

16:22He's still like that. So you can't want him one way and then ask him to be a different way when the team's struggling because you're not going to get the best version of him. But for his narrative to change at the moment, he needs the team to be winning. This episode is sponsored by Huell, official nutrition partner of Overlap Daily. Tim, it's that time again. in partnership with Huell you and I are going to discuss one less thing in football I read some of the comments like some people were not really having the getting the fans going last week they didn't like it they said yeah they said it's a good thing why is it a good thing yeah I don't know I mean it's a good thing if you're 2-0 up or something like that it ain't a good thing if you're like getting beat 3-0 and then you'll tell the fans to come and support you I just felt maybe when you said it should be a straight red that was maybe a little bit maybe it should be a yellow yellow bit yellow yeah yellow how did you feel when you watched that Liverpool game with the feigning injury and you saw McAllister.

17:15A grown man throwing himself on the floor. Yeah. Medweke. Yeah. Disgraceful. What McAllister was? Disgraceful. Right. You thought that strongly about it? Unless you start booking the players who are diving like that. Retrospectively, you've got to go to them, Jay. They're going to continue doing it. Unfortunately, that's what's going to happen. But what I don't like, what is Medweke doing? That's what I was going to say, Tim. I actually think, I was listening to everyone on Sunday after the game, and everyone's going, what's he doing? McAllister having a game. He should be. That should be. Yeah, I get all of that.

17:47But if I'm Mikel Arteta, I am fuming with Maduweki. You're 1-0 up at Anfield. He speaks about it being like you're getting put in a tumble dryer. He decides to put his head to McAllister. Whether he touched him a little bit or not enough, that's not the point. You're risking. You saw it with Yarmoulo. You saw it with Benson Court. Absolutely brainless from Maduweki. He could have cost his team. There's still a load of time for Liverpool to win that game. And you know what it's like at Anfield. You played it up. Once it switches, you've got 10 men you're hanging on. I couldn't believe that no one really mentioned Maduweki.

18:19Absolutely ridiculous for him to get involved in that situation because Luke Shaw is not really going to hurt him. And even the Yarmuluk situation, that wasn't a big enough one. But Maduweki for me, like McAllister, ridiculous. We've got to stamp it out of the game. But what is Maduweki doing? I agree with you. I agree with you. And I'm sure Mikel has seen it. And he would speak to him. You know, you put yourself on offer. I mean, I remember the one which was great. I mean, it was when Gabriel with big man Erlen Haaland. Remember that? Yeah, of course. That could have ended Arsenal's hopes there.

18:54But Haaland stayed on his feet. Yeah. And he took a big bang to the nose there. But, you know, it ain't going to knock him over. But he just reacted. He didn't want to go down. Didn't want to throw himself down. He just stood up to it and looked straight in the eye. And he was like, was that it? I loved that. I loved that. but it's probably not winning the game. If he gets Gabriel sent off there, they probably win the game. I think that was, for me, that was a pivotal moment in the deciding of the title. Yeah, but this one we're going head-to-head because I've never really, when have you ever seen a proper fight break out in football?

19:27Hard ever. And everyone goes like that, you know what I mean? You go way back, aren't you? Well, you saw one with Batty. Batty and Lesseau, yeah. Champions League, Moscow. Was it difficult to not, how hard was that not to laugh? it was, it weren't funny at the time. I really felt for Ray Hartford who took over from Kennedy. Where were you, in Russia or somewhere? It felt freezing cold. It was like freezing and minus 10 or whatever. And we weren't even in the game, you know, I was just getting it popped around us. And then it just flared up out of nowhere. You know, I think it was a throw on, they both went for the ball and then Batty threw the ball back at him and the next thing I turned around just swinging punches, throwing punches at each other and they're getting in between them to stop it.

20:04You know, but it never carried on. Half time went in there, it was over. It was done. I think David broke his hand did he? yeah what are you trying to hit him? yeah I think he's caught him and he's broke a bone in his hand you know because it was so cold I mean it was freezing but yeah it was a little bit you know he didn't laugh to be honest it's funny when you look back at it now but you're talking about two very very good players there yeah and whenever anyone sees them they always mention that to them if they're of an age they'll say what about when you had a fight in Moscow I mean they had careers they had a top career great careers both top players so that's one less thing we would like to have in football and that is feigning injury.

20:40Feigning injury. Yep. Is it a straight red? Yeah, that one. The nut on the head with no force going down. I think, retrospectively even, they should get back. Oh, it is one for you then. What about if they had sent off McAllister and Madweke? Because you're both idiots. Get off. Get in. Yeah, a bit harsh on Madweke, that one. But on McAllister for that dive, we can't have grown men throwing themselves to the floor. No. you know it's disgusting we want it out of the game the verdict's in we're getting rid of anyone that throws himself to the floor in football and with Huel we've got one less thing to think about when it comes to our nutrition Huel is a complete meal in a bottle high in protein high in fiber with all essential vitamins and minerals save 10 pound on your first order with code daily at checkout just go to huel.com forward slash daily what's one less thing you would like to see removed from football?

21:32Let us know in the comments.

22:01Upgrade to Google Workspace with Gemini at go.gle slash workspace with Gemini. That's go.gle slash workspace with Gemini. This is the story of the one. As a shipping manager, he's running the dock, stocking supplies, and making sure every order goes out on time. And Grainger helps him stay prepared. From shipping supplies to PPE to hand tools, he counts on Grainger to keep products moving and trucks rolling. So his operation runs smoothly no matter the shift. Call 1-800-GRAINGER, click grainger.com, or just stop by Grainger for the ones who get it done.

23:01more than 2 ,000 colleges and universities. So instead of putting life on hold, join the thousands of students earning their degrees faster and for less at just$95 a month. Go to study.com slash podcast to start earning college credit and get 10 % off your first month. That's study.com slash podcast.

23:28Let's look at Villa then. Man United, Villa, first thing I wanted to ask you is that there seems to be this, which I find incredible, that if he beats Villa, he stays in a job. If he loses to Villa, he's out of a job on Monday. I don't know what happens if it's a draw, by the way. My stance is that there's nine months of information there. I mean, ex-player, fan, I've not worked on a boardroom for a big football club, but it terrifies me that they're sat there with indecision. Because if we do beat Villa, we then got Liverpool after the international break. And if we get beat 7-0 again, you've just wasted two weeks where you could have been...

24:09It's a big two weeks to do something. Does a win against Villa change that? Should a loss against Villa change that? I mean, what's your thoughts on the situation with Michael Carrick at the moment? I think the indecisiveness is apparent from the pitch to the boardroom at the moment. It's probably a problem for him as well, isn't it? That indecision. He probably thought he was going after Bournemouth. Yeah, and I think he's... I think Michael will be in a headspace now of where he doesn't care what anyone thinks. That can sound like I'm... Not as in he still cares about the football club. He will genuinely believe now.

24:45I think his life is simplified. It is, get my team ready to beat Aston Villa. get my like he was so inside Carrington so inside that that old Trafford stadium in terms of his his thought process now whereas previously I think he would have been you know is there can't speak for Michael this is my interpretation are there you know I've heard there's going to be a meeting I've heard there's going to be this I've heard there's going to be that I've heard this I think now he's just like do you know what fuck all of you I'm going to get my team ready I'm going to do whatever it takes to get my team ready and we're going to go out and I'm going to give a good account of ourselves because there's absolutely nothing else I can control and that will be the hardest thing I think as a manager to be able to, especially at a club like Manchester United all these big clubs worrying about this and worrying about that I actually think he's now got a real simplified version of events it was get a result against Roma handle Aston Villa on Sunday he doesn't need to plan Whereas previously, I think when you're in this role, you're thinking about, right, international break, where am I going to have my players?

25:53Am I going to take a couple of days? When they come back, what's going to be, you know, lads coming in from all over the world? I actually think he's just gone, I'm going to take care of Sunday. And then, you know, plans are on hold for the international break. I'll let you know. I'll let you know at the full time because all I've got to do is live that game. So I think it's simplified, but not necessarily for the best reasons. Yeah, it's a good point, really. is it? Because we've seen it before with Oli and other managers. You were almost in Ten Hag. You're in that survival mode. So you're just looking at the next 90 minutes, which I can understand from Carrick's point of view.

26:26But this is where the board, I think, has to get it. And fans will be like that as well. We're going, what's going to happen? But as a board, I think you've got to be looking at the next six months. You've got to be looking at where we're going to be in May for Champions League football. But it looks like they're literally like, please win against Villa so we can give it another couple of weeks and see. But I don't know. I think, I actually think if we beat Villa and they sacked him on Monday that would be a big choice but that's still leadership like look at what Coventry did with Mark Robbins and Frank Lampard I live near Coventry he was a big big popular figure and there was a lot of problems look at where Coventry are now and that's leadership and sometimes you know you say to your fans we're doing this for a reason what do you think result wise Sunday I suppose that's the big prediction isn't it because that's where everything else follows yeah I think the Roma team, I was on with Ashley, talked about the Gasparini, they're kind of like front foot, very aggressive.

27:22Sour open. Yeah, they're a toe-to-toe team and they live and die by it. So would they have been too upset losing that game? Of course they would have felt in a strong position, but they kind of live and die by those results, don't they? There'll be a few more of those. Whereas Aston Villa, like Unai Emery, you don't need that coming to town. You really don't. he's so strategically sharp. His team are playing to his tune, really playing to his tune right now. So even though he played in Barcelona and he would have had a couple of days, he's in that moment now as a coach where he'd only need 10 minutes on the training ground to make a few tactical tweaks, to make people understand what he wants.

28:03I think it's the last people that Man United need at Old Trafford. I think Villa are a really clever team at the moment, Smart team, sharp team, they can make changes. I can't see Villa not winning on Sunday, I really can't. Really? Yeah. I think I'm going to go with the draw. I'm hoping that so many managers at Man United don't seem to get the crowd. Yeah. And definitely, I don't even think it was a penalty on Cunha, but you take it. As soon as that goes in, the crowd are there. By the way, what about that going in though? I know. The goalkeeper makes a fantastic save and Bruno. I'm like, oof.

28:43I think we got lucky twice, really. You take it, mate. Don't worry about getting lucky. You take those wins. But it sparks the crowd and then the players feed off the crowd and you just wonder what the penny will drop in that first 20 minutes against Villa. So I'm going to go with a point on that. I'm going to talk about Donnarumma, but I'm going to be nice first. All right, OK. Just in relation to closing off that Roma game, what's it like as a goalkeeper when everything's going on at the other end? Because it was constant United. and Le Mendes, no one even knew he was there in the second half.

29:14What's that like as a goalkeeper when you're involved? Because obviously you were in goal, I don't want to talk about it, for the Aquaro moment. You weren't really involved in that last 10 minutes, but it's the biggest thing that's ever happened to Manchester City. How does that, are you just a spectator at that point? What's the mentality of a goalkeeper in those last few minutes when your team's at the other end winning big games? I think you can't help. You can take a moment. I think there's been every now and again, there's a moment where you get involved I think we saw Jordan do it against Manchester United scored a late equaliser people say like you're so emotionally involved in the game and I think I've only I think I only ran up once and it was when we beat Wales in the Euros in France and I'd let a soft Gareth Bale free kick in and I was like oh fuck it was that was like I've never willed well I've done it many times but I think when Studge danced through and then scored I couldn't help but run the length of the field but there was about Was that where it was?

30:19Yeah there was about 30 seconds left after that and I was blowing and Gareth got one out of his feet from 40 yards and hit one one of these Adidas balls and I couldn't move it went wide but I was dead I was dead on my feet and I learnt from that moment I was like I'm not doing that again because Lowen's as happy as he would have been when he saw Kunja's score you have to be aware that your job is not done like Kunja's job's done even to the extent he got sent off all the pictures all the moment and the adulation it was a brilliant finish take the wins that's the whole point in being a striker but as a goalkeeper until that referee blows his whistle you are emotionally flat lined sometimes you can feel the emotion it triggers you but I think in your mind and I've noticed it now I've come out of football well, I'm always worst-case scenario.

31:08I'm always trying to put out the worst-case scenario. I'm going to have a save to me. I'm going to have something to do. So, yeah, that's what we signed up for. Never, ever, like I said, I keep saying it, never feel sorry for a goalie. Whatever you've just talked about there, or bad moment, good moment, that is what we've signed up for. And like I say, Lamens, I can't speak for him, but if I'm in that situation, I'd have been like, sound, back in the room. Yeah. Because we all know how quickly it can turn. Let's talk Man City then, because you know where I'm going to go with this. Donnarumma, a few errors, I think.

31:41I think a lot of people have thought that. And apparently there was another one in the Leipzig game again. I say apparently because I'm not an ex-goalkeeper that can definitely analyse these things. But what do you think is going on with him at the moment? So he's obviously, it's brilliant, isn't it? Because he is right up there and rightly so one of the best goalkeepers in the world on talent, on confidence. he's made match winning saves this season you would have seen it at Old Trafford that last minute save against Mbumo and then he's had big moments at Liverpool, thought he was absolutely outstanding even though City won the game 3-0, he was excellent but it's just what comes with being a Manchester City, a Premier League goalkeeper you're going to get that heat on you and he would have felt it I'm sure at PSG, look this is a kid This is a guy that was playing for AC Milan when he was 16.

32:36I remember playing him when he was maybe 18 when I was at Torino and I was like, this kid's special. Not just only in the way that he plays the game, but in the way that he conducts himself. He was a real class act and he had very much... Gigi Buffon was my idol in terms of goalkeeping and how he behaved. Say never meet your heroes. He was one of the most special people I've met and played against and I watched him and I watched how he conducted himself and it wasn't because it was me, because I always have an eye on these things in the tunnel. I can see a nervous goalkeeper stood next to him and he makes them feel special.

33:12It's just a different aura and Donnarum has got that. But just at the moment, he's very much one foot forward and then he's having to take a step back. In this Leipzig game, he made a save that only he could make up to his top left-hand corner. Fantastic save. and then he stood a little bit higher, the goal against, so he's confusing himself in my opinion at the moment because the Brighton goal is not his fault, nowhere near his fault, but it's that cutback that people will go, people will argue, should a goalkeeper, can they not just stand a little bit higher and cut that out? I see what you mean, yeah.

33:51And I would always argue, and I talked about it when I talked about Lammons in those last seconds, like we're a worst case, we've got to be in there for the worst case scenario. we can't really afford to be a front-footed goalkeeper. So my opinion for the Donnarumma goal he conceded against Leipzig is I think he just got... The guy was so close to the touchline, so the percentages were very low that he could hit that near post. So Donnarumma was trying to be a real team player, really trying to step up in the Champions League, be higher, be there for that cutback. But the goalkeeping world, it humbles you so quickly.

34:29and it was an outrageous finish. And if we had no skin in the game, if we had no Premier League hat on or no I'm not a man City, we'd be praising the goal. But because we're here talking about Donnarumma and City, he gave the guy an opportunity and he ripped his heart out with it. He absolutely ripped his heart out. And is that like, because I always look at that, whether I'm playing computer games or... Even the Roma goalkeeper, I know Kunja hit it well. I just thought there's always this maybe it's a myth goalkeepers shouldn't get done on their front post is that in goalkeeping you shouldn't get done on your front post no I just think I think the Kunio one you've got to make it as difficult as you possibly can to get beat and you've got to give up you've got to give up as a goalie it sounds so counterproductive but you've got to give up something you've got like I say your job is to make it as difficult as you possibly can to get beat your job is not to save everything because there's so many hindsight goalkeepers and I hear them all the time and I understand it.

35:29I heard people talking about, I think Stevie G was talking on here. And he used the term for Donnarumma, which it didn't make me happy when he spoke about him because it didn't feel right and I would never do that about a fellow professional. Joe and Stevie on the show on Monday. No, no, but I love Stevie. Stevie's awesome. Stevie's awesome and he knows that. But I think goalkeeping is special. My protective blanket came on and I was like, I'm not okay. And he talked about Donnarumma was one-on-one against Aston Villa and Nicholas Jackson. So if you're on that angle, sorry, I get very handsy when I talk about it.

36:07If you're on that angle and you want someone to beat you, sorry, someone's going to make it as difficult as you can for someone to beat you, you can't afford to stand. If I'm on that tight angle, you can't afford to have your hands up here because the easiest finish is to wrap low. So you almost have to say, if you want to beat me, you've got to, you rarely see it, you see someone thrash it. you'll see a goalie flail like that because it's the hardest finish because you've got the least control. The top player can curl here, they can smash, they can get their head over the ball as we hear everyone talk about.

36:34To lift your head and lean back, it's not an easy finish and Jackson got one to about here and then Gvardiol had one in a similar moment against Suzuki in the second half and his hands were low and it was probably just about head height and he had the speed and the timing to just get his hands here rather than there and he flicked it onto the bar. And they're the tiny little bits that come into goalkeeping about making it as difficult as you possibly can. And with Donnarumma at the moment, I think he went a little bit away from that. I think he was trying to help the team rather than just be the top goalkeeper that he is, trying to stand in that congested six-yard box.

37:13And like I say, the Leipzig player just humbled him really quickly. Man City play Forest tomorrow, half past five, at Forest. They've lost their last two. We spoke a couple of weeks ago. before City had lost any games. They'd had the guilty charges, but they'd bounced back from that and they were unbeaten. They'd won every single game. Last couple of games, couple of losses. I don't think that's unexpected, but is there anything you're concerned about that? Could that be a little bit of a mental thing, starting a bit of fatigue? Liverpool, we saw it. They used it as a positive. Do you think it's just natural?

37:48You lose a couple of games, a competitive league, or are you concerned that it might start to have a bit of an impact on the team? I don't think the conversation over charges Will have caused the results I think that might have helped with the performance At Liverpool Ironically And it'll help for whatever reason But I'm just talking about from a minute That kind of together galvanised But I still see a galvanised team I still see a really competitive team Even in the games that they've lost Aston Villa was a tough game I think Suzuki walked off Player of the match It's a good game It was a good game, two brilliant teams I think they've got a great record there They really have and they look like they're starting to find their straps And then the Brighton game, for Bruggan walked off, man of the match Now that's not saying that Manchester City were brilliant Because they can obviously play better But I don't see anything concerning in their team I still see people getting used to playing I see Njai starting to really have impact I'd love to see him with a few more assists and goals I think that would really, really make a statement.

38:53Obviously with Semenyo at the moment, I'm loving seeing Elliot Anderson come into a Manchester City team and patrol it and just look at as at home as he does. It's a bit like when Rice went from West Ham to Arsenal, isn't it? It just fits that price tag. And it didn't have to. There would have been a lot of people going, really? Me personally, I've loved him. I did the under-21s final. England under-21s have commentated for it and I watched him, first time I watched him play and I was like, this guy, I adored him not because he's, not only the way that he plays football but his attitude, he's got that kind of killer instinct you never know what he's thinking he's just that midfielder that you can just rely on at all times Fernandes is finding his feet scored a big goal for Manchester City in the Leipzig game it always feels so weird that Brighton game to not see Haaland on the score sheet it was weird but put that right the other night no I don't see concerns but that doesn't mean that I think they'll go to Forest and blast them away like City have had tough games everyone has tough games at Forest but that'll be a ding dong but I don't see it being a problem City win then I see City winning that yeah see I was when I was driving up here this morning I was like I want to go for a shock this weekend because I'm convinced there's going to be a shock whether it's Sunderland Chelsea Liverpool at Palace Man Utd Villa City going to Forest I think there will be a shock but I don't think it's going to be in that one that's not where I'm going to go for it I think Forest are in a false position and maybe Sunderland are as well maybe not but I think Forest are in a false position I watched them play at Anfield a few weeks ago but I don't see we would be talking about City being in a crisis on Monday if they were to lose three in a row and I don't see that happening at all

40:49OK, welcome to Six of the Best, brought to you by Super 6. Very topical, this one, Joe, because obviously with Man United's late comeback against Roma, we're talking about six of the best comebacks of, well, I'm going to say all time here, because I can see number one straight away, Man United against Bayern Munich. And we've already spoken about this. This is not something that gives you bad memories. No, it doesn't. It really doesn't. I'm not a hater. That's not in my blood. and I didn't have the allegiances that I'd have now. And that game was wild. I remember getting to the end and the corner being taken.

41:26Who scored the first one? Was it Teddy that scored the first one? Yeah, yeah, Teddy, yeah. And then me and my dad going, oh my God. Actually, he went old school. He went in to make a cup of tea. And I carried on watching the game because it was late for me at school. He let me watch that one. and then I went running in to tell him that Solskjaer had scored and he wasn't having it, he didn't believe me. And I was like, it was kind of all kind of hell broke loose in the house. It was a good moment, it was a good moment. I can't deny that. I can't make up that I didn't feel good about that. So you must have felt unbelievable.

42:01I mean, yes. Anybody who says, what's your best memory as a Man United fan, it's almost a cop-out to say it, but it has to be. It won a treble. It was the way we won it. To me, it's just the best moment. And it's one of those things where I always try and say to my kids and stuff, when you have a high in football, make sure you celebrate it, no matter what it is, because I can never go back to that. And that was the pinnacle. This next one is, for Liverpool fans, will probably be very close to what we've just discussed there. For me, as a United fan, I was absolutely loving the fact that they were losing I actually know a Liverpool fan who at half time turned it off and then only turned it on towards the end because his phone was just someone had got in contact I mean look we're talking Liverpool AC Milan 2005 the miracle of Istanbul if it was anybody other than Liverpool I'd be like what a night but Man United Liverpool fans would say the same about 99 Well I'm a neutral Again I didn't have my allegiances then And I was actually In a pub in Shrewsbury I was still at Shrewsbury Town at the time I think it was I remember watching it and it was 3-0 And just no one was interested I think there were some Liverpool fans in there who were gutted And everyone just totally switched off I think we were playing pool And then I don't know Stevie scoring that header And the way that he kind of went to the fans It's easy now because they won the game and me knowing what a player that he is now, I'm lucky enough to know what Steven Gerrard is like as a player, the grit and he's not just good at foot, he's an animal.

43:47They weren't going to let that die. And then just knowing how it went from an absolute stroll in the park for AC Milan to them feeling unbelievable pressure, that kind of strange save that Dudek makes in the last second when he almost kind of turns around with his involuntary hand position and it ricochets off his arm and manages to go over. And that was wild. That was special. These games are iconic, aren't they? Well, I think the top three, I mean, look, I will put that Liverpool one in there as much as I don't want to. And I think we're definitely putting the United one in. This one will cause controversy because of the recent stuff that's going on, but we will deal with it in relation to what happened in 2012.

44:33And again, it's one I'd like to check out of, but the only compliment I can pay is when Aguero scored, I turned my TV off and didn't watch Sky Sports or anything for two months. I was like, I was done with football. So when it causes the United fan that much trauma, you know, it's a big moment. It is. No, that's, that was, it wasn't a great one to experience because regardless of what we talk about, everything that's going on with Manchester City, but to be on the pitch and to be involved in that moment of something that you thought was going to... Zabaleta scoring at half-time, it was almost...

45:09We were such a good team, and QPR were in a difficult position in the league, and Joey gets sent off. It's just like, right, OK, it's name on the trophy. Almost AC Milan feels at half-time when they played against Liverpool. and to have the kind of soul sucked out of you as Paddy Kenny made save after save and block after block to actually almost get in a headspace where... I'm such a positive person, but I was almost in a headspace of like... Because you needed two, didn't you? That's the thing. From my point of view, I wouldn't watch it because I was like, City will win this game easy and Joey Barton's been sent off.

45:45I remember my mate ringing me and he says, you need to put it on. I'm like, no, I've got plans. He says, you need to put it on. They're losing 2-1. So I put it on And when it gets to the 90th minute I'm like Statistically They've got to score two goals In about five minutes Yeah That made it I'd rather you'd won 6-0 that day Because it was what I was expecting We were banging on the door And like I say It was one of those games Where I thought We're not going to get through here And then Edin scored And I almost was like And You know what I mean And A draw is probably even worse You see I think That it's a bit like 99 with Sheringham The first goal I celebrated it in a strange way more than the Solskjaer one because it was like that was the key back in.

46:26And when Dzeko scored for you, I was like, they've got time, they're going to get at least one chance more. Do you know what, the stadium didn't shake. It was like, I think everyone was just like, everyone was so, it was a lot of head in hands moment, everyone was kind of gutted. Roberto had checked out a little bit, he was thrown in Mancini, sorry, in Italian, you're this, you're that, you're that, That's how he was. But then obviously, Kona had other plans. Mario had other plans and it unfolded how it unfolded. We need to do six for Super 6 of the best. I think those three go in, despite me can't stand in two of them.

47:05Yeah. So let's go through the remaining... We'll whizz through some of these. So Barca PSG 2017, Barcelona 6-1. I remember that. It was basically over from the first leg. But I mean, it was decent. I'm not a light. It was decent. It didn't result in a Champions League win, did it? No, I don't think they did win it in 2017. No. But it was a good comeback. A mega comeback. Spurs-Man City is number five, which was 2001. I vaguely remember. If someone told me one of the goal scorers, it's in my head, but I'm not a big Man City fan. What's their name? Sean Wright definitely scored. Yeah, there was a...

47:45I can't remember his name. But FA Cup fourth round, City 3-0 down at half-time. then Adam Man City sent off, then came back to win 4-3. This was pre-Man City having all the money as well, so it does have credibility. Right, OK. But again, they didn't get a win off the back of it, as in won the FA Cup. Yeah. That's why six, I think, I know you're going to struggle with this one, but this was mental. This was an unbelievable performance, this. Yeah. Was this the one where Trent did the... Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And Origi scored. And they went on to win the Champions League. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's two Liverpool ones in here.

48:23But fair's fair, mate. Come on. Yeah, Liverpool-Barcelona 2019, semi-final, second leg, 4-3 on aggregate. Barcelona had one foot in the final after Messi's first leg double. However, a depleted Liverpool, missing Salah and Firmino, turned the tie around 4-3. Origi scoring the winner. Yeah. And he'll always have legendary status at Liverpool for that. You like Origi, yeah. I do remember this one. I mean, it was a league game, 2001. I was listening to this on the radio in an island at the time. God I don't think listening to matches on the radio was really prominent when I was growing up like you know in a car people do it I still enjoy listening to the game on the radio yeah I do it's a different world I like cricket and I like football on the radio but maybe I'm old school so we were 3-0 down at half time at what would have been White Hart Lane we won 5-3 I mean that's a pretty decent comeback that is yeah and it was in the league but So what have we got Space for?

49:20We've got space for Two more out of these We've got space for Two more So we've got Deportivo vs AC Milan 2004 AC Milan seem Despen for the Champions League Semi-final Deportivo Lacroña won 4-0 To turn it around I mean I don't Massively remember I'm going on paper That's brilliant But it's not Sitting in my memory And I don't think We're going to have Many Deportivo fans Flying at us If we don't include that Reading Arsenal 2012 4-0 down After 37 minutes I remember that Arsene Wenger side scored four times to take the lead cup to extra time where they eventually won 7-5 I don't remember that one do you?

49:54I remember that one that was a wild game that and then we've got Tranmere 4-3 Southampton 2001 FA Cup fifth round replay Tranmere managed by John Aldridge and bottom of the old championship were 3-0 at half time against Premier League Southampton but eventually won 4-3 so we've got we've definitely got Man United buy-in Liverpool Milan Man City QPR that's three we've got Liverpool Barcelona that's four I think Man United Tottenham five so we either go Spurs three Man City four in 2001 or we go Deportivo AC Milan 2004 semi-final Spurs C come on you've got two Uniteds in there I want to see I'll tell you what and Spurs fans can't moan because in their normal tradition they are in here as the team that bottled it so Oh, no.

50:48They're twice in there. I'm not part of that enjoyment you just got there, but yeah. I am, definitely. That was Super 6, six of the best. Don't forget to enter your Super 6 predictions on the app for a chance of winning£1 million. 18 plus, and terms and conditions apply.

51:17and our shared Google Doc, the headline hammer. With Google Workspace with Gemini, Google's AI is built right into the premium versions of tools we already use, like Gmail, Docs, and Sheets. No new tools or extra logins, just personalized AI for the way we work. That means less time on the work around the work and more time finding the stories worth talking about. Get AI tools for work. Upgrade to Google Workspace with Gemini at goo.gle slash workspace with Gemini. That's goo.gle slash workspace with Gemini. Many people searching for peptides worry about quality and trust. With Oath Research, purity is never in question.

51:52Each peptide batch is crafted entirely in the United States and verified by independent laboratories. That means every vial brings total confidence and peace of mind, knowing you're using a product you can truly rely on. Discover uncompromising quality at OathPeptides.com. Oath Research, where trust meets science, offering reliability, transparency, and excellence with every purchase. This is the story of the one. As a shipping manager, he's running the dock, stocking supplies, and making sure every order goes out on time. And Grainger helps him stay prepared. From shipping supplies to PPE to hand tools, he counts on Grainger to keep products moving and trucks rolling.

52:32So his operation runs smoothly, no matter the shift. Call 1-800-GRAINGER, click grainger.com, or just stop by. Grainger, for the ones who get it done.

52:54One of your other former clubs that has been in a crisis they got a good result against Buzictas last night Celtic I'm not going to pretend I know loads about what's going on with Scottish football but I did watch when they played Rangers recently Rangers looked a lot better than them but then you look at the league table and they're still at the top I mean that's the thing isn't it? That's the thing about that club and that is why I adore it and I'm so pleased that I got to spend time and be a part of it. The expectancy and the expectation, unless you are a Celtic man or a Celtic person, you wouldn't understand because like you say, they're still top.

53:31I think Rangers have a game in hand because they played in a cup semi-final at the weekend but even if they win that, there's still a point behind. Domestically Celtic, they've lost two and drawn one in 11 games. I was looking at how they've started leagues recently in the past eight, nine years. They're right up there with what they do, but they're not flowing. And there's not... The strikers aren't scoring. Camilo Duran has been an absolute saviour this season. He came on... Him and Callum Osmond came on, I think, in around the 60th minute with it looking ominous. One-nil down against Besiktas, who are flying high, who are a really good team.

54:13and Callum Onsman's first touch smashed it through bodies. He's got that magic moment in him. He had it last year. He's the one who scored when they beat Hearts 3-1 and he got to run the length of the field on his own. He scored a couple of big goals in the title run-in as well. But the stadium, it made me happy to feel the stadium shake through the TV because that stadium does go wild. At the moment, people are talking with their feet. It wasn't a sold-out crowd, which is so unlike Celtic. What's the problem with Celtic, Joe? Because I look at it from the outside and Martin O 'Neill is a legend of the game.

54:50But he's getting flack now. I think that's sad because at the stage of life he's at, he's gone up there to help them out last year. They've obviously given him the job. But he's now in the firing line. It also seems to be probably more aimed higher than that as well. It's flack with love and that doesn't make any sense. Of course, we know it doesn't make any sense, but Martin O 'Neill will be and is absolutely adored. Adored. But he knows what he's signed up for as a Celtic manager. And he knows and he would expect to be getting a lot of questions asked about him at the moment. And that's not him saying that he's not up to the task or he's not the man for the job.

55:30But that's what comes with the territory. if you really understand Celtic, you understand that if you're not borderline perfect domestically and challenging in Europe, you're going to get it. You're going to get it because they care and they're intelligent football fans. And at the moment, there's a massive disharmony with the board. The fans really don't understand what the direction of the club is. And obviously the boards have got their opinions in terms of the success that they've had. they had and continued to have so it's it is difficult at the moment and that kind of that was really shining brightly mid-season last season but then the team Martin came back in and the team started to win and it goes away it's amazing what winning can do and at the moment they're not you know they're a difficult result at Fulkirk I think they drew it home to Dundee and then this felt like it felt ominous this Besiktas game it felt like there was going to be a riot or not even a riot do you know the worst feeling you can have in a stadium and I very rarely felt it up there it wasn't anger it was people going we lost again like that is the worst feeling you could have you'd rather have someone that impassioned that embroiled as a Celtic fan like I say domestically I lost very few games but no matter what run you'd been on you could feel it wasn't the majority but you'd feel some people their whole life and the whole livelihood proudly is Celtic and if you don't perform in that shirt you're going to get it whereas I've got still friends up there and they were flat going into the game and if Celtic had lost they wouldn't have been angry they'd have been like oh god and that's not a nice feeling but hopefully I talked about it for Michael but I think it's a little bit different up there because they're still top of the league if they can take that kind of atmosphere that they degenerate towards the end of the game last night into the league game this weekend, it's Kilmarnock, then...

57:34It could be a spark for them. Could be a massive spark to go again. It is true, though, because you're right. I mean, I think back over the... United had been bad for a long time and obviously doing all the watch-alongs and the clips. I know myself that maybe three, four years ago, some of my reactions were really angry in that and like that. But I think back to Chelsea last week. We'd done all right in the first half, but in the second half, when we actually end up with a sending off and we lose, you're not angry you just say oh here we go again and that's not a good place for a football club to be in at all and as a player honestly like that's that's tough which sounds it doesn't sound right does it because you think being shouted at or being screamed at or you going mad like seeing clips of you going mad online that would hurt more but trust me it hurts more for people to go it's almost like they're giving up oh god here we go again right next week it is I better get on with my normal life rather than living and dying and breathe in your football club because that's a great feeling to be part of a club when it's like that.

58:34Also Thursday night, but going into the weekend, they beat Man City last week, Brighton. A very good result against Getafe. I don't know how good Getafe are now. I know they were very good before. This is the conference league, to be fair. But they've got Brentford on Sunday at home. Having been to Anfield, I thought they played well, but they lost. Went to Man City. Could have gone either way. Maybe Man City were the better team, to be honest, but they won. Three points from six away from home. You've got to go and beat Brentford. But the bigger question is for Brighton, just where are we putting Brighton now?

59:06Because Arsenal beat Liverpool last week. Man City could get that points deduction. They're almost the next in line to push for a title, if that's possible. Yeah, they're certainly up there. And what will be a quarter of the way through the season now? So they're entitled to have their opinion. I think if you spoke to Fabian Hurtzley, it'll be game by game. If you spoke to Brighton fans, it'll be game by game. I think the biggest credit they deserve is the fact they've still managed to maintain in Europe because that conference league is not what everyone wants, especially when you start planning a season.

59:44But I think squad-wise, I think he's gone quite strong. I checked the changes last night. I don't think there were injuries. They were able to maybe rotate a little bit. 80 feet subs at half-time because you were asking about Dunk when he was injured. And at the moment, they're in a really good place. And they just need to continue that for as long as they possibly can. There's no point in having aspirations for where they want to be at Christmas. Let's just live in the moment. Let's go game by game and enjoy exactly everything that we're doing. I think they can almost plan to be in the knockout stages of the Conference League.

1:00:21they've obviously gone out of the Carabao Cup which will be disappointing but at the same time when you've got this league run going you can really, really sink you can really sink your teeth into it and Brentford however the result goes Brentford are a top team they're really intelligent, they're tough to play against but you've got to have this mad balance of riding high on confidence but also being really, really humble and understanding that there's going to be a huge job at hand. But look, you've got to enjoy those moments. Brighton have had some many magical moments over recent years, but I think going into that Amex Stadium, I think as a Brighton fan, you can afford to really, really look forward to it.

1:01:01Yeah, I think they'll win it quite comfortably. Your thoughts? I back Brighton at the moment. I feel like they're in such a... You know, and that's nothing against Brentford. You know, they've turned up again this season. They've been really tough to play against but I think Brian looks strong. I'm just smiling here because in relation to Brentford, Brentford have got the most difficult next five fixtures. Brighton, Everton, Man United, Arsenal, then Man City. I love the way Man United have been slipped in there as a difficult game. I don't know. I'd look at Brentford and go, that might be a very difficult game for us.

1:01:35But look, I think how many games, you know, Brighton, Everton, Man United, Arsenal, Man City next five games for Brentford. But I don't know. I look at this Premier League now and I was saying this to who works on the United stand with us the other day, I said, the problem with Man United being 12 points behind Brighton or nine points behind Liverpool or eight points behind Chelsea, whatever it is, is that maybe four or five years ago, you'd go, good run of games. I don't think, unless you are in maybe an Arsenal or a City, I don't think you can look at that league now and go, I think nine points now, almost in your day, would be, it's almost like 15 points.

1:02:13because it's really hard, I think, to go and win, to close a nine-point gap on anybody. You slip up in any of these, like you talked about Chelsea are away at Sunderland. Sunderland are really struggling at the moment, difficult result in Europe. They're not a bad team. They're really not a bad team. Fulham obviously had their start to the season. They've got some top players and when they click and they get into gear and they can put together a clean sheet or get a little bit solid, every team can hurt you. Every single team, I think, you know, Hull have come up and made statements. Ipswich have come up and made statements.

1:02:47Frank's got Coventry playing again. They're at Everton tonight. Like, you just can't afford to plan. You can't afford to strategically plan to win this game and it'll be a tough game there. Every single game takes every single bit of your energy and your focus. And that's life. That's the job. But I totally agree with you, mate. I don't think that a big gap is... Only very few will pull away with those big gaps. I think everyone else is very much in a similar sort of conversation. It's funny you mentioned there Coventry because the lads who are doing some building work, for me they're all Coventry fans.

1:03:25And every week they're just desperate for Carrick to survive until we play Coventry at Old Trafford in early December, which for me would be an easy three points. They're like, no, no, we want that game. so that we can play Carrick and sack him and get three points at Old Trafford. Really? Is that where their head's at? It's just the confidence and brilliance of the Premier League that it is so competitive. Although Arsenal-Hull is where we're going next. I think we give Arsenal respect, we give Hull respect, but I can't see anything other than an Arsenal win. It might not be pretty, but it's a nil, two or three nil, I think.

1:04:00I think Arsenal started the season really well against Coventry, didn't they? with that 3-0 win and that was for whatever you want to look at it that was a statement win Arsenal have got those tools now to go toe-to-toe with your Bayerns with your Liverpools away and they've also got the skills to beat teams that they're expected to beat so I think that will be a tough day at the office for Hull Hull have got some fight in them Hull have got some real character but I think Arsenal will have too much for them of the Emirates so we've both got Arsenal with a comfortable win there right this these next two is where I'm going to I reckon there's going to be a shock we've got Chelsea going to Sunderland on Sunday at 2 o 'clock we've got Liverpool going to Palace at 2 o 'clock on Sunday to be fair Palace and Sunderland have both had that Thursday night thing which can make them tired but I think Sunderland you sort of touched on it a little bit there what a difficult game it is I don't think Chelsea were that good against United and I think Sunderland this is the game where they need to either be Wolves of last year where, God, this is real, they're going down, or they actually show that they're in a false position.

1:05:12I think Sunderland are going to get a result against Chelsea on Sunday. If you were to push me for a shock of the week, I think that has the most potential. I think Chelsea will beat Sunderland, I do. But I think when we look at the narrative, and I do think they're in such a false position, they're not playing well at the moment. They won't claim to be playing well at the moment. but they've got some really top players. I think Brobby's fit again. He's key. He's key for Sunderland. They were so good last year. They were so good last year. Do you know what they were? They weren't just off-the-cuff good either.

1:05:47They were solid, especially at the stadium. They made it really, really difficult. They were like a team, weren't they? Some teams are individuals. Yeah, and you feel like, oh, it depends on him. I know I touched on Brobby, but you can be as solid as you want and in the game, but you need someone to finish those chances. and I watched him at, obviously, the Manchester City game where he got the hat-trick and then he was out injured. That game could have been a point for them as well. That's this season, yeah. That's the Premier League at the moment, but I actually think, I'm not in your, I don't think shock of the week, but if I had to go somewhere, I think that's going to be a tough, tough game for Chelsea.

1:06:25And Liverpool go to Palace. I mean, look, my prediction is that Palace are going to go down. I called it at the start of the season as sort of like a bit of an out there thing. Liverpool have lost two games. I mean, that Fenerbahce game, I think that can happen to anybody. United have been to Turkey in the past. It's tough. And I think when you look at the first 20 minutes, it looked like Liverpool would win that game. But maybe a bit like Roma thought they were going to win the game. It's how you end the game. Do we see any issues with Liverpool and Iriola losing two games? Or do you think it's just the way football can be?

1:06:57I think Liverpool will win that game. I watched a little bit of the Palace game last night. They obviously got the result in the end down to 10 men, Hoffenheim. But in a really strong Premier League, and like I said, Liverpool have got some top players and Isak's scoring goals now. Barcola, if he can get his moment, if he can start to tick, I think that's very much a conversation. But they look like they're starting to find their feet in this Liverpool, a real size. So I think Liverpool will have enough. so my shock's Chelsea well actually your shock's Villa I'm not having that not having it no no it wouldn't be why because you want to draw it wouldn't shock anybody else but well we'll have to wait and see but hopefully United will get the win for you maybe

1:07:53right Joe we've just breaking news on Overlap Daily although by the time you're not watching it it will be a little bit older, but England squad is out. It's in entirety for the Croatia-Spain international break. A few interesting ones in there, Joe. You were just mentioning no Jordan Henderson in there, no Manu in there, and no Cole Palmer in there, but Joe Bellingham comes in, King, Josh King in there. Good player. I think he's deserved that. What are your thoughts? I was interested to see the goalkeeping situation. Obviously Pickford, Steele and Trafford, no Dean Henderson. Maybe they don't think he's quite fit enough yet because I think he's a top goalkeeper and deserves to be in that England squad.

1:08:42Defensively... Just on the goalkeepers, we've seen Trafford get a bit of game time in the last international break. Obviously Jordan Pickford's got loads of caps, been a good servant for England. Would you be looking at that from Tuchel's point of view as now is the time to make that transition? or do you think it's just still stick with Pickford for the Euros? No, I think Jordan's been brilliant for England and he's started really well for Everton but I think if you're the coach I think you've got to use these games as good opportunities to see what's around him. You never know what's going to happen over the next couple of years.

1:09:16James has made a really positive move to Leeds and he's started, he proved himself at Manchester City last year with the two cup wins. I think it's a great opportunity for Tuchel to really understand his goalkeepers but I think Jordan's been superb for England and I think if the tournament started tomorrow he'd be England's number one but I think as a forward-thinking coach with a lot of the other positions you've got to be thinking about the next two years and how people are going to progress so I totally understand why he's doing those sorts of changes Yeah, two years is two seasons, isn't it?

1:09:50A lot can change in that time Joe Bellingham in there I find quite interesting we do the Bundesliga on this channel on a Friday night so I've seen a lot of the Bundesliga I'm really interested in this because it's the whole brother dynamic Jude Bellingham's one of the best players in the world at the moment Joe Bellingham admittedly a little bit of not seen much of him and a curiosity of just how good he is so it'd be interesting to see if he can get some minutes and I'm also a little bit disappointed I mean there's no Man United a player in there at all. That's a sign of the times. But Manu seemed to have got himself back in the plans.

1:10:25There's a lot of people saying, well, he's just coming back from injury. But that doesn't tend to stop international managers. He played against Roma. We expect him to play against Villa. So if you fit, you fit. Yeah, I don't think it's too huge a statement at the moment. I think with Kobe coming off the back of an injury. And I think Thomas has proven that he likes to keep consistency in his squad. but obviously I don't know enough about Joe Bellingham. I know that he was really highly thought of. Obviously, his brother is his brother. He's in a world of his own in terms of how he's stepping up on the biggest stage.

1:11:03But look, Thomas Tuchel doesn't hand out caps or he doesn't call people up for the sake of it, so he must really see something in him. He's obviously got his finger on the pulse when it comes to the Bundesliga, so he must be performing well for Dortmund. But I'm really interested to see. I think Josh King, I think he's been excellent in a really tough season for Fulham. Well, it looks like it's him or Palmer. And I think driving up here this morning, I was expecting what they were saying, that Cole Palmer would be brought back in because he is playing for Chelsea. We're not aware of any injury issues.

1:11:34But Josh King, I mean, on merit, I think he looks really, really good. But if you're Cole Palmer, you're probably thinking missing the last one with that, you know, seemed to be a little bit of debate around what the injury was. might have put Tuchel in a position where he's gone, look, you're missing out, there's someone who's ready to come in. I think Cole Palmer's an awesome player. And when he's hot, he's a game changer. And it sounded a little bit bitty how I didn't quite understand what Tuchel was trying to say when Cole went away from the last squad. So I think he's going to have some real clarity.

1:12:13He's going to have some interesting questions on that. but I'd like to think him and Cole have had a conversation because that needs clearing up. He's one of our best players, one of our most talented players and there's no point in them having a bit of a strange relationship. It needs to be really clear. I think as England fans now, I think we really need to understand why Cole Palmer is in the squad but on that flip side, I think it's a great opportunity for Josh King and I think in a difficult season so far for Fulham, he's really shown. well and also there's Phil Foden who maybe I wouldn't put him in the squad but he's not 35 he's still very much in the age group that he can get in there and look I haven't got a problem with it as an England fan if he said to Cole Palmer look at the moment he's probably not in my thoughts for whatever reason yeah but you can be oh you've got till March that that has to be the conversation um like I say we don't know whether it's injury related or you know we're early on in the day but you've got to have those conversations with those players.

1:13:12There's no point in creating a big separation between yourself and Nicole Palmer or Phil Foden. I'd like to think conversation. I think it was very Thomas Tuchel famously, when he likes you, he's very much open to calling and FaceTimes and keeping players happy. I think John Stones talked about it when he wasn't playing at City, he still wanted to be part of his squad. I think as an England manager, I think it'll be important to stay in constant dialogue with these players just because you know that if they catch a streak, if Coles Palmer's playing to his level or if Phil can recreate his levels from a couple of years ago, they'll be so important in this England squad.

1:13:53He obviously feels like he needs to bring other players in, absolutely no problem, give them their opportunity, but just the relationship needs to remain. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. And of course, big game against Spain as well, So no easy games and some good tests. Looking forward to it.

1:14:16OK, Joe, so we put a call out on socials for some questions for us that we could put to each other. And these are some of the best ones we've got. So thank you, everybody, who sent them in. So at XCOM1995 asks, Joe, what's your favourite off-the-field memory with Manchester City?

1:14:38what is my favourite that we can put out there yeah that's literally where my mind went to what's my favourite off the field memory do you know what it was after we won the FA Cup in 2011 we did a bus tour we went through and we ended up back at the stadium which I didn't know how that was going to work obviously I'd not been a part of that with Manchester City and Manchester City fans hadn't won for a while and we went back into the stadium and we were presented on the pitch and the stadium was full and it was just, I don't know, everything felt amazing about that moment, about that time, winning that trophy, the FA Cup game at Wembley.

1:15:22But because of when it was, there were still games to play, it was in the season rather than at the end of the season. But to be able to celebrate how we did Champions League football and in the stadium with all the fans, that was special. I've got one for you, mate. This is from Aidan. And he's asked, Mark, if you could score any goal against me, Joe, in any match, what would it be? You see, I'm trying to pause a little bit here. Like any football fan doesn't actually know the answer to this. Because I think for anybody that didn't play at the highest level and loves football, I definitely can think of one.

1:16:00so for me I think you know like sort of you're in goal cross comes in I'm not going to do the overhead kick you're sort of edge of the box right on the D there and as it sort of bounces up it's a low bounce and you catch it with the outside of your left foot so it's got the outside on it right in the top corner you're at full dive can't get anywhere near it Stretford ends behind you it's 1-1 at the time it's added time it's for the title and you just yeah I'm getting goosebumps now it never happened what's the celebration you know what I think there are celebrations I respect people who celebrate and they've got one in mind but I think when you score that type of goal into the crowd yeah yeah yeah that's really sad that I'm getting goosebumps about a fantasy goal that would never happen why have I put myself I've moved to set for your shot at Old Trafford as well so yeah lovely stuff great finish mate good question what a goal check it back check it out on YouTube Joe absolute pleasure as always thank you very much for coming on today.

1:17:01And we'll see what the weekend holds. Loved it. Thanks, Mark. Thanks, Jack.

1:17:29Workspace with Gemini, Google's AI is built right into the premium versions of tools we already use, like Gmail, Docs, and Sheets. No new tools or extra logins, just personalized AI for the way we work. That means less time on the work around the work and more time finding the stories worth talking about. Get AI tools for work. Upgrade to Google Workspace with Gemini at goo.gle slash workspace with Gemini. That's goo.gle slash workspace with Gemini. You know what I keep seeing online? People finishing college degrees way faster than you'd expect, like months instead of years. And it hit me. Most people get stuck because they need a faster way to make progress.

1:18:05That's what study.com is built for. Online college courses on your schedule, at your own pace, on your phone or your laptop, with hundreds of courses that transfer to more than 2 ,000 colleges and universities. So instead of putting life on hold, join the thousands of students earning their degrees faster and for less at just$95 a month. Go to study.com slash podcast to start earning college credit and get 10 % off your first month. That's study.com slash podcast. In the market to buy a new car, you are not alone. Navy Federal Credit Union members have a helping hand, technically a helping globe, a mission assistant whose mission is guiding you through your car buying journey, offering low rates that can save you more.

1:18:45Your mission assistant helps you budget, estimate your payment, and understand your terms so you roll into the dealership ready to negotiate on your terms. Mission Assist. Everything you need to buy a car all rolled into one. Navy Federal Credit Union. Our members are the mission. Navy Federal is insured by NCUA. Credit and collateral subject to approval. Grainger knows if you're a procurement manager at an industrial manufacturing facility, you're balancing inventory and budget while sourcing critical supplies across the operation. Too much inventory? Costs climb. Too little? Production slows.

1:19:18Grainger's$2 billion in on-hand inventory helps you get what you need when you need it. so you can help keep budgets balanced and lines moving. Call 1-800-GRAINGER, click grainger.com, or just stop by. Grainger, for the ones who get it done.

1:19:37Thanks to our title sponsors, Skybet and SkyVegas. We'll see you next time. This has been a Global and the Overlap production.