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2:34It was almost like he was shaking hands with Van Dyken, almost getting them all. You know when... I was getting angry with him. Why? As the game went on. The reason I sort of said they've got to step up now was because I was getting angry with the fact that... Thomas Frank's just been sacked. Oh, wow. Kieran, just the Grim Reaper out over my shoulder like that as well frighten me. We're going to be letting a secret out of the hat here a little bit, aren't we? Because we film two records in one day, but I've just had a thing in me here. Our guest this week is Ange Postacoglu. He's just pulled out.

3:08No. No, he was supposed to come on, obviously, later to go on for next week, but because of what's just happened, he's happy to come in here and have a chat about the situation at Tottenham. So should we get him in, then? Ange, in you come! Ange, in you come! Good flow. Got timing, Ange. Some timing, eh? How are you? Good to see you. You too, Ange? Good to see you. Ange, good to see you. Hi, Ange. Wow. Good to see you. You're all right. Nice to see you. Hey, mate. Good to see you. Right, good to see you. Hey, Ange. Hey, mate. Yeah, good about you. Good. Thank you. That was good timing. Yeah. How are you, Ange?

3:43I'm all right. I'm all right. I've just... Wow. Yeah, I know. I was driving up and I got a message. Yeah. I wasn't from the Tottenham board, was I? No. I mean, look, Ang, I think the first question... Tee would be great, thank you, bud. The first question really is obviously about Thomas Frank. You'll have managed against him. You've spoke to him probably a few times, many times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are your thoughts in terms of your initial thoughts? Look, it's always, having been in that position now, twice in the last sort of six months, it's tough. It's tough. And you know that he can't be the only issue.

4:20at the club, right? And that's probably for every manager, but ultimately that's what we get judged on. But, you know, it goes back to me. It's a curious club, Tottenham, you know. It's made a major pivot at the end of last year, not just with me, but with Daniel leaving as well. And you've created this whole sort of environment of uncertainty, because there's no guarantees. It doesn't matter which manager you bring in. I mean, they've had world-class managers there. they haven't had success. And for what reason? You know, what was the reason for such a major pivot? So Thomas is walking in and what's his, you know, what's his objective?

5:04What's the club's objective? I mean, at the start of the year they sort of said compete on all fronts. Well, the club hasn't competed on all fronts for a very long time. And you're also, you know, the most influential person at the club for the last 20 years is also going. So if you're going to do such a major pivot, then you've got to understand there's going to be some instability there. Now, did Thomas know he was walking into that? I don't know. And it's a fair departure for me. I mean, anyone who kind of studies the game will know that it wasn't like it was a progression for me. I built that sort of squad, for want of a better term, to play a certain way over the last couple of years.

5:44And he's sort of coming in. And like I said, there's always... So it's a curious club topic, mate. What do you mean by curious, Andy, in the sense that we've just discussed it before. We've talked about yourself, you know, Conte, Mourinho, Pochettino, Nuno, Thomas Frank now. There is an absolute sort of convoy of managers with great reputations who have walked into that football club and can't about turn the... Only one won something, though.

6:26Which club's coming for you at that time, around the point where you go to Real Madrid? Who wants you? Who bids for you? United and Madrid were the two. Did you talk to United at that point as well? I didn't. No, yeah, I did talk to United, yeah. David Mize? Yeah, they actually bid more than Real Madrid. Because that was the big signing win. Sir Alex Ferguson left. Yeah. Ed Woodward famously goes back from the tour. I think it's in Australia to say, we're signing Bale and Fabregas. Obviously, for me going, knowing they're not going to sign those, I'm like, well, who are you signing? And it's like, well, I'm not going to sign that.

6:57So you were never going to United? No. Who did you speak to at the club at the time? I spoke with David Moyes. And with Edward Wood or not? No, I didn't speak to him. Maybe my agent or whatever did. But I spoke with David Moyes. But my heart was set on Madrid anyway. And I had something in place with Daniel Levy, more of a gentleman's agreement just to be like, because he didn't want to sell me to a rival also. I don't want to strengthen another team. So if a team did come in from Spain, Italy, wherever, Germany, wherever it may be, that... He wanted you to go there. I could potentially go, because if we didn't qualify for the Champions League, which we didn't, I was then able to go there.

7:32So we had that gentleman's agreement, even though he made it very tough. Like he does. He always does. If you didn't get in the Champions League, you could leave. No, but it was a gentleman's agreement. So it was more just that, yeah. But he stayed true to his words. so financially was Manchester United offering similar money to me he wanted to go to the bridge he didn't actually I shouldn't have dig a little bit deeper because this guy turned down Man United twice right I need to get to the bottom of that you've done alright though hasn't well done I think I chose the right one from the last well was it 12 years I didn't go down the wages route with United I didn't go that far they offered more money to buy me and a player but I didn't I didn't didn't really get any legs to be honest no so nice again chose right can we just no no I'm not sure can we put it it's great for a player if you know where you want to go if you don't I don't you're good up so sometimes people go to four five six clubs where you go nah I'm going there and that's yeah and I had my heart set on it so once I spoke to them they reserved the number 11 I spoke with numerous people at the club I knew Modric the year before who went there which obviously helped me knowing that I've got somebody at least I can just kind of be with I guess because you go to a new club it's like who's your mates was he good like that was he good for you yeah and he was great for me so yeah and he's the player I played with most of my career which is not a bad one yes yes

9:08do you not do games anymore Scolzi? no have you stopped doing it? why Scolzi? games running up? No. You did Champions League didn't you with Kaz quite a bit last season? Yeah I did last year I just made a decision this year because of Aidan obviously special needs and stuff that you'll probably know about all the work I do now is just around his his routines because he has quite a strict routine every single day so I just decided everything I'm going to do is around Aidan I think people don't realise the punditry sorry that you do travel a bit don't you if you're travelling up and down to London and then you're away for one or two years.

9:45Well, a lot of the survivors and studios, I've been in Manchester and London all the time. Scors, you might not want to talk about this, but your routine that you follow, Drew, because if I say to you sometimes, like about a meeting, say, on a certain day, you say, no, that's absolutely, I can't do it that day. What is your routine a week that you follow around, Aidan?

10:03Well, me and Claire, obviously, are not together anymore, so we're having three nights each and Claire's mum has him on a Friday night, but we'll always do the same things with him. and he doesn't understand he won't know what day of the week it is he won't know what time it is but he'll know from what we're doing what day it is so I pick him up every Tuesday from his daycare place that he goes to for four hours and we go swimming he loves swimming so we're going to Pearl for two hours we'll go home have his pizza on the way home so that he knows every single day something different Thursday I'll pick him up we'll go for something to eat then go home on a Sunday I'll pick him up from Claire's house we'll go to Tesco, he buys a fucking trolley full of chocolate so he doesn't know what a day is, he doesn't know what a time is he only knows from what we're doing I think obviously it's a lot of like I can't imagine that did actually scare us to be fair but obviously you share bits of your week on social media Yeah, a little bit.

11:11I think I always comment on your videos and stuff, but is that important for you to, like, is there a reason, like, raise an awareness or...? Do you know, I started doing that. He's obviously non-verbal. Well, can't speak. When I say he can't speak, I think he understands a lot more than we think. If you say something to him, he will understand it. And he has, like, sounds, but it's only, like, people who are close to him will know what he's saying. What's it called? Autism. Or just autism. But it's like a really severe... It's obviously autism where you can go to school normally and all that kind of stuff.

11:45I didn't think we were going down this road, by the way. Do you know what I mean? No, yeah. I did it one or two times, and I only showed the good bits of it to some bits that aren't great. And it was just the response he had from people, you know, parents with the same trouble, the amount of people saying, God, that helps us, we've got a kid who's just the same or something like that. That's what I just carried on doing. That's nice to have a bit of normality as well. Yeah, to do stuff that all the kids are doing. Do people ask you about it? Do they get in touch with you and say, you know, like, what do you do?

12:20Yeah, all the time. You don't mind speaking about it? No, do you? And I will reply to people on Instagram, it is a bit well. Because it's kind of hard. Especially when they're young, because there's the harm and there's the attacking people. And I only put the nice stuff on. there's so many things that I do sometimes think about putting this off on where he's not too happy when he might go, he might try and bite I do think about it but then I think is that probably not the right thing to do I used to sit next to you in the dressing room didn't I and I remember there were times towards the end you'd come in and you'd have scratches all over your face and you know what I mean you'd sort of smirking there but you would be and I'd say everything alright you'd say yeah and you might be a haircut or something that You used to bite your arm and stuff and scratch you just because...

13:13And it was simply frustration for him because he just didn't understand things. Couldn't tell you how he was feeling. Would the football give you a break from that? When you played, is it something that you... No, you never got a break from it. Right. No. It was very hard in them days. In them days, it was like it was years ago. I don't think they diagnosed it until they were like two and a half. Right. But you knew there was something wrong, but you just don't know. I suppose when you get to the diagnosis of autism and you've never heard of it, but then all of a sudden you start seeing everything.

13:52I don't know if it's just subconsciously that happens or what, I don't know. But no, you never get... I remember being told about the first half thing we played derby away. I just didn't want to be there. I remember the manager dropped me the week after, actually. I hadn't told anybody. I ended up telling him a few weeks later, I think, because it was quite hard. And he left me out. I'm just leaving you out because you weren't very good last week. I just didn't want to be there. We didn't really know what was in store for us. I mean, some kids who don't speak at one and a half, two years of age, all of a sudden you get to five or six, bang, they're speaking, everything's right.

14:31Call it like a late development thing. But we just knew what they did. It was never going to be like that. When you were at United, was there anyone that you did speak to or were you kind of the kind of character that would keep things to yourself? No, I don't think so. I didn't speak to anybody, I don't think. I think, to be fair, you kept everything to yourself, didn't you? It's very difficult to get inside. Just generally, forget what you're talking about now, but generally you're very private. No-one really knows what Paul's... We didn't really know what you were doing away from me. Obviously, we'd go out with you at times, but I think even you'll know, Roy, from playing with schools.

15:04Everything you kept to yourself, didn't you, in your life, if that's the way you are. Yeah, and I would do now, really, unless somebody asks me about something. Then I would never like... You don't want any sympathy or anything, do you know what I mean? That's where dress rooms are strange, different dynamics, people are going through different challenges and you are expected to turn up. And you never know. Unfortunately, of course, nobody knows. Sometimes obviously the manager might know, but the other players might be going, and you get dragged along with it a little bit in a good way, but all the time you're thinking it'd be nice to bounce something off somebody that you might be going through, but unfortunately a top level sport there's an element of like I was never lying I even thought if I did speak to somebody it's not going to I'm out paid do you know what I mean it would help you it would help you I don't think it would I don't know what would help me the big concern obviously now because you're getting a bit older 50 years of age he's 20 what happens when you're not here that's the thing that's on my mind now all the time don't look that far it's gozy man day at a time serious we all look too far ahead yeah but we're talking I know, I know.

16:06I know, but it's the same principle. If it hadn't been talking about it, I wouldn't have thought about it. But there are certain times of the week where... Fucking hell.

16:21The last time you came on here, we asked you what your biggest ambition left was and basically you went on and did it. Yeah. The Masters, which is just an incredible tournament. Just talk to us about that and how big a moment that was for you. How did you sleep the night afterward? You must have slept well. Can I do one thing first, though, from the Masters? Yes. I came here with a peace offering. Peace offering. Yes. Just to clear any... Well done, Rory. You're the bigger man, Rory. Nice one. I've had this in. You got some cash for me. This is a flag from the Masters. Wow. Wow. There you go. See?

16:58I've got to be nasty. We have to abuse you to get one, Rory. Let me see. Jeez. That's so lovely. Oh, wow. That's so lovely. That's amazing. That is amazing. I can't say I'm not jealous. Everyone else, you're all going to get it. Nice one, Henry. That's fine. What's it say, Roy? That's incredible. Read out, Ian. OK, thanks for all the great memories watching United over the years. Rory McIlroy, Masters champion and extraordinary player of golf ever, ever to live. No, I don't know. I don't like that. Brilliant. That's all. You know what, Rory, with the Masters, because obviously I watched it from the start to the finish and obviously that last day, I can't imagine how you would have felt waking up that day because it could happen this day.

17:46So what are you thinking when you wake up there? Because you know all the talk about the Masters. Can he do it? The Grand Slam. Look, it felt like it was then or never. And it probably wasn't, even if I didn't go on to win. but it would just, it would have been one more bad memory and more scar tissue building up there for me and trying to do something for so long. So, you know, my best chance was 14 years ago in 2011. And, you know, I've been close since. I finished second, I've played in final groups, but I've just never been able to quite figure it out. Was there anything on this day that made you think, wow this this might be it i was playing like i i i felt like i was playing as good as i ever have you know i i was confident i came in to the masters i'd won two big events leading up to it i won at pebble beach i won the players i won the players in a playoff so i you know i i had come through recent like pressure situations and i'd gotten through them so that's why i felt like just more just sort of more comfortable with with where I was um and you know that recent those recent memories you know I could I could draw upon a little bit so were you worried that you might never get there that you'd have that end of your career which is like unbelievable but you've got that but yeah but he never but he never yeah and I yeah and everyone used to ask me like oh do you feel like your career would be complete without the masters and I'd be like yeah you know I think i'd be happy but oh there's always that yeah but like if i didn't yeah um look it's the what it's you know it was the um you know it was the first grand slam in 25 years and you know there was a you know and and i'd i think what i didn't help myself was like i i put it out there that like this is this is what i want this is what i want to achieve and like you know that that puts more pressure on on you from the outside but honestly like going into that day i you know never in my wildest dreams that I think that I'd be in a playoff with Justin Rose right you know Rosie played great that day I thought it was really just going to be between me and Bryson um it obviously didn't pan out that way but I I thought that Bryson was going to be my biggest obstacle to to doing it you know the 13th you know that's the shot on the 13th I remember it well right I for me obviously watching from the start of the morning when you've done that what happened with that shot because I know you mentioned about the what happened yeah so a lot of people's masters have been won and lost at the 12th hole the hole before um and I got through that unscathed hit it on the middle of the green two putted did what I needed to do moved on to the next um and I said to my caddy Harry walking up to the 13th tee like usually it's a you know you have you see people go for that green and two and you can make it but I said to him what do you think about playing this as a three shotter so it was the first time I was thinking a little bit defensively right why did you do that because you'd have a I'd had a four shot lead you just saw I just saw you know play defensive play it's a power five isn't it yeah play smart more so than defensive but I was like let's just take a big number out of play is what I was thinking so I usually hit driver off that tee I hit three wood just to get it in play and I did and hit a good layup with a knee at iron and left myself a pretty good number you know you're always trying to leave yourself like yardages that you're comfortable with and you're like but when I got down there it had um it had settled um there's like these drainage um sort of hollows by the left side of the fairway and it was on the upslope of one of those and usually when you're hitting wedge shots off an upslope with the loft of the club the ball comes out left so I was trying to guard against that a little bit um so I give myself maybe a yard or two of like a margin for error on the right side of the the pin and i just i yeah i got ahead of it made a bad swing and i mean i had you know my dad said to me after you had all of georgia on your left and you had it right um but you know it um what was your thinking what was your thinking when that happened thought i had a similar wedge shot at the u.s open in 2023 um that lost me the u.s open and i that's I thought I was like, I've done it again.

22:10Like, you idiot, I've done it again. So, you know, obviously I made a seven there and that was, but I still looked up at the big leaderboard. I still had the lead. So I was like, okay, you still have the lead. You've got five more holes to go. You've got another par five. Like, you know, you can, everything's okay. You know, it wasn't quite panic stations, but it was close enough. Is that back nine at the Masters? It must be, that's a real thing then, isn't it? It just basically sort of, it's two people up, hasn't it? It has, yeah. Yeah, it has. I mean, yeah, over the years. What is it about that back nine, that tournament?

22:45I think because we go back to the same course every year, everyone has all these memories. So, like, you remember everything that's happened, even if it's not to you. You know, you remember all the shots and you remember Faldo hitting the three iron in the 13 or, you know, you remember Tiger chipping in on 16. Like, you remember all these shots. So, like, I just think the course is more in your head than at other golf courses because we just, we don't, you know, especially at the major championships, we don't go back to the same course every year. So it just, you're, you know, again, like, the reason that I started to play defensive on 13 is because I remember what I've done on 13 before, and I've hit it in that creek too many times or up in those azaleas, you know.

23:28So it just, it plays with your head a bit. Tone, what hole was it when Rory hit the greatest shot ever in the world? 15th hole. 15th hole when you had to bend it like 70 yards left or so. What was that about? But Rory, that shot though, how much did you have to turn it round there? So I didn't, yeah, I had to turn it maybe 30 yards. Yes. But if I didn't turn it enough, it would have went into the right bunker, which actually wasn't a bad miss. so like it was still it was it was an incredible shot but i knew i had a little bit of a bailout all i needed to do was focus on hitting it you know making sure i struck it well so that we get over the water that was the biggest thing but you know it came out it came out perfect um and yeah that that was really that that was the shot that turned it around that got some momentum again that helped me go on to um what a sigh of relief when that one hit the green yeah and again i hit a great shot into that hole the day before i had a six iron in on saturday so you know i had again like all the memories of the shots that you've had there and like it just you know it it it does something and it plays on your mind a lot more than other places but yeah that was you know that that'll you know that'll go down as the as the greatest shot no matter yeah what i do going forward that'll probably i jumped up i was out to say that was the shot

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27:29We're going to find out how well you know each other. Oh, no. Mr. and Mr. and Mr. Is this what these are for? Oh, God. All right. Okay, Dec, what is Ant's date of birth and star sign? 18th of the 11th, 1975, Scorpio. Hey, Scorpio, like me. Do I have to answer back? Yeah. Well, I've got to give you the correct answer. Yeah. Yeah, he's right. Well, you've got to give... I've got to give Deck. Yes. OK, right. I'm just learning the rules of the game. He's the 25th of September, 1975, and he's a Libra. Wow. Correct. And what is Deck's biggest fear? Birds, but specifically pigeons. Wow. Dec, what is Ant's biggest fear?

28:16It was spiders. It was spiders. But then you do Ant's celebrity for so long, it's like exposure therapy. You see so many of them. We used to be spiders. What is it now? Nothing. It's spiders. You're not scared of anything. It says spiders on there. It says spiders on there, so you've got it right. Oh, there you go. It's not. Ant, what is Dec's son's middle name? Anthony. Anthony. Donnelly. The other name. There's another name. There's another one. Jack Anthony.

28:51No clues. What? Nearly. David. No. Alphonsus. Yay! What is Antson's middle name? Wilder Patrick. Well done. Yes. What is Ant's favourite three movies? Wow. When was this written? You got this one, Smash Hits? They are old ones, actually. Yeah, I bet they are. They're old films. Oh, God. I don't know where to start with that.

29:28The Godfather? No. I don't know that. I bet one through the cookies. No. That's the best film. It says Die Hard. Die Hard. Yeah, I love Die Hard. This is Smash Hits. Indiana Jones. Yeah, yeah. Sexy Beast. Yeah.

29:45What are Dex's favourite movies? I don't know. Pretty Woman, Mr Geniality.

29:54These are quite different, really. What am I? It says Jaws. Jaws? Are you jogging? Pulp Fiction and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. That's what it says. This is from Smash It. Someone's just Googled this, haven't they? Yeah. Right. Last question. What was the name of Ant's school drama teacher who spotted his potential, put him forward for his first show, Why Don't You? Oh, what was her name? What was her name? It was... Oh, my God. You put me on the spot now. I know. Go on. Lynn Spencer. Yes. Wow. Yes. Lynn Spencer. She was a continuity announcer on Tiny Tees. You know, one used to do the birthdays and stuff on digital TV.

30:35Nice. She did. She put us forward for... Because I love drama in her class, and I loved it, but I was too nervous to do any kind of audition or anything. She was the one that kind of forced us. Brilliant. Yeah. Good for her. Yeah, if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't be doing it. According to Google, how many GCSEs did Deke get? Five. Five. What did you get? Three Bs and two Cs. Nice. In what? English Lit, English Language, RE, with me Bs, Maths and Economics with me Cs. And you got five as well. A D in French. I got an E in French. Did you? It's terrible. That's brilliant. Right, this paddle thing.

31:11This paddle thing. I'm so excited. He's a really good presenter. Here we go. We've all got a thing now. We have one each. We have a deck each. Yeah. I need an ant. Yeah, you need an ant. There's an ant. I need an ant. You just need an ant. Shane Pearson. You do say that, Jamie. If you put them together, Stephen will hurt. I've only got a deck. Give me an ant. I'll give you an ant. It's all you need, Ian. Thanks. Who are you missing? An ant. Right, here we go. Now I've got two here. Eight of these. What are you doing? You just need one of these. It's you. Right, OK, we've got to put a paddle up.

31:51You've got to decide the answers to the questions. Who is the bigger football fan? And we've got to put our things up first. I'm going to say... Football fan. How do you get that when they're both massive fans? I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that, then. I'm going to go with that. I don't know how... There's no logic to it. Yeah, there's no logic to it. that. You get more wound up when you get beat. You get more wound up when you went to games before I did. Yeah. I didn't go until kind of a little bit later. You were there in the Glories under Jim Smith. Jim Smith, Ozzy Ordealus, that's where I started.

32:24Who would you say watches the most and gets the most agitated? Well, I'll tell you who's the most statty. Like, he'll remember games and who do we play in the results. He remembers. Yes, that's good. That doesn't mean you're right, though. Yes, he does. No, you've changed. Oh, right, I thought we could change. If it's... If it's the most during games, then it's me. So then they're fine. I thought we could change. That's a tough one. Who's the better presenter? Oh! Go, lad. Have the go. No, no, no, you can't separate. Well done, Ian. Oh, you can't. You can't separate. They're a team, they are one.

33:06Well, no, you've just chosen, guys. You can't separate them. It wouldn't work without being yourself. Thank you. I'm saying who's better, you or Phil? I'm probably going Phil. Who's the better footballer? Deck, yeah. No, I was going to go with Deck as well. Next one, who's the better cook? So who's the better cook? I think we're going to go with that. Yeah, he looks more like a chef. He's got a cook face. Yeah. A cook face? A happy face when he's cooking. I'm happy to tell you, you are all completely wrong. Absolutely. Oh, God, you would never try. Nev, give me that information. It's definitely me.

33:46Don't judge a book by a proper. Cook well. Cook everything I cook for the family, the girls, the kids, yeah. Oh, wow. Is it like a therapeutic kind of thing? Yeah, I love it. Love it. Yeah, love cooking. Speciality? Anything that would involve kind of a long marinade, a nice five-spice. Wow. Oh. Like a leg of lamb or something. Yeah, man. Love a leg of lamb. I swear. I've just learned how to use the air fryer. Very pleased with that. Then you've got a good cooked face. Have I checked? Somebody said Dexter, unbelievable chef. I can see him in the outfit. So can I. Who is the first to say sorry after an argument?

34:24I'd definitely go this one. I don't know why. I'm going to go Ant.

34:35Probably me. I think it's you. Oh, really? Yeah. Because he did something wrong. Mostly he's at fault. Who is clumsier?

34:49I'm probably going to go around again. Definitely know the answer. I feel like we're being harsh on Ant. I'm going deck. I'll go deck. Go with your instincts, Jill. Yeah, be harsh on Ant. I mean, I've slipped on live telly loads of times. On Britain's Got Talent, Fell on My Arse, I'm a celebrity, I fall over. a few times, slice the end of my thumb off. I've got loads of cuts and bruises. Yeah, I'm very clumsy. That's the thing, he's a great cook, but you might find the end of his thumb in your dinner. toenails. Got toenails? Fingeredeals. I don't mix with my toes.

35:23Unless I'm getting really... I really want a deep marinade in there. Who's the messiest? Oh, my God. Well, if he's... I'm going to go with Dex simply because... because... You've got to mix it up a little. You used to go on the opposite of him. Yeah, but you know what? No, because I'm just... Chefs are quite messy, I think. Who's the messiest? Him. Thank you. Jesus, why am I not getting no credit for what I'm doing? I don't know these guys. I've been watching them for years. Well done, Ian. Jeez. Well done, Ian. What, whilst they're, like, in the bedroom? Just watching them. I just feel them. On your sleep, I watch you while you're sleeping.

36:01That's what we did to you. Yeah, exactly. How many years was it winning the presenters of the year? Was it 20 years? 23. You were robbed in the last one. Then this upstart came along in Gary Linnigan. And sported a party for everyone. I was upset. Do you know what? It was one of those things where we thought about it. After a while, when you go to the NTAs and you'd won it for so many years in a row, the only thing people talked to you about was losing it. You're going to lose tonight? Oh, God. Tonight, you're going to lose it? Oh, no. Let's enjoy it. Jesus Christ. And it got to the point even people would go, and the winner is, and they go...

36:37I'm the day! Cheers! You sat there in the front row and you're like, thanks a lot. Everybody else took the shine off it and we were like, we were still thrilled to win it, still thrilled to be even nominated after that many years. Consistency. Yeah, do you know what I mean? So, but we knew it was going to happen one day. The last one of these, who is the funnier?

37:02Yes, Gary. No, you're a team. Yeah, but when you say you're a team, it's just like... You can't sit on the fence. I am sitting on the fence. I am as well. Thanks. Because the joke's fucked off. He just makes me laugh. Just laughing. He just makes me laugh. Who's the funniest? We can't judge that. Exactly. Thank you, Gary. You can be the judge of that, Gary. Yeah, exactly. Oh, what a prick. Right. Tell you who's funnier in my house, Gary made... You know Poppy? Yeah. They tell Gary he's hilarious. I said, I will tell him. I'll tell him live. Which Gary? Oh, yeah, Gary Neville. This Gary. Did she not think we were going to do the rest of this football?

37:47Because I did. That's the funniest thing.

38:00Last time you spoke to us, obviously, you were talking mainly about the United job in terms of you just, obviously you come out of that maybe a year or so. How much impact do you think that had on you in respect of sort of, when you look back at that three, did it take a lot out of you mentally? And does it hurt still now an element of sort of just looking at it? Of course it does. Because that's, you know, sometimes you talk about jobs and then it's just a job and you move on. That Man United one, I've been there for 18 and a half years. So that's, well, now you're done with it. and that's a different kind of scenario.

38:32So, of course, that was a kick. I thought we had something going, but then now we've moved on from that one. Did it take the whole three years to get over that? No, no, no. No, no, no. No, he's not. But it takes time, yeah, of course. You do have to recharge the batteries. I'm amazed when some managers lose their job and they're literally within a week or two at a back. Yeah, Jose went from Fenerbahce to Benfica in a week. me, Eric and Argenger also was sacked within three days or whatever three of us and he just got back in and he's got that energy hasn't he? How was the club different when you were the manager?

39:08Was it different? Oh yeah it was different it's all moved on of course but then that's that's by the by is that what they say? Is there games you look back on at United can you remember what Oli were sometimes there's like if you could just get over the line in certain games isn't it the cup final you know the final of Pepsi Shoals if you get a trophy under your belt it just gives you a bit more time if we'd won the final of course that'd be different if you knew that you like because you sense it but if you knew this is the last one if you don't win this one you do you'd put a different team out and all this because I was always I've never ever once apart from keeping Scott McTominay away from Derby on loan my first few months that's the only time I've been thinking about myself I've always thought about the club before me and then always long term and who needs games and da da da but if you know and that's an advice from me to you if you're ever thinking about getting rid of someone speak to them we need next three games we need to see a change if not we'll have to change and everyone's a man enough to say okay You think it's better for an owner to go to a manager and say you've got three games or next game or yeah 100 % Yeah I'd do that every week couldn't I?

40:26I've never done that and I've heard that as a tactic but the idea of telling someone they're going to lose the job what's that going to how are they going to react how are they going to react to that I've been told once where was that? in Mulder ok so just asked have you got the energy to do this yeah of course I'm enjoying myself but if we don't win the next game I've got to do that what the other people are wanting me to do so then I'll have to sack you. Okay. And then it's just... Just one game? Yeah, yeah. You have to win the next one. So then what happens when you win that one game and then you're a company?

41:03When do they come back and say you need to win this game? It puts pressure on you. Yeah, it puts pressure but that was the ultimatum. Ian, I'm completely with you. I'm just thinking it from an owner's perspective. If I'm saying to a manager that your whole future at the club is dependent upon one football match I've already made the decision to sack you yeah you're just waiting for him I've already had that conversation with fellow owners we've sat there and we've said we're going to sack you but if he wins this weekend we'll keep him but in a couple of weeks if it turns we're going to get him anyway I can see that point I've been on the end of like a bad result and then that's it but it was happening so but at United it was hard towards the end you must have seen and felt that oh yeah we lost the city in Liverpool of course that's anyone could do that against Klopp and Pep but the way we did it that won't drive because he was at home and then of course when we lost to Watford away that was it But if a situation's happening you're saying is it not best to know that it's happening I think so Would a manager know that I'm not saying going in every week You'd have vibes going do you know what I've got to get a couple of results might be just one game but I've got to get some results I think what you would do what I've done but to be fair I don't know what other owners do what I think I would have done in the past would have been to say look you know the results there's a pattern of results there that aren't going our way because obviously you wouldn't be having that conversation anyway if they weren't they were going our way, what are we going to do to change this?

42:26I think that's how I'd position it in terms of if you're playing 4-4-2 or you're playing 4-3-3 or you're picking certain players, what are we going to do to change it? How can we change this to try and change the direction of the momentum that's swinging against us? That would be a conversation I would expect to have with them, not just leave them and then sack them, but I think you'd have that conversation to say, look, this isn't working, what are we going to do? I think I'd expect answers from that coach at that point. If you agree then, OK, let's do this for a month or whatever. So it's before instead of after the game, you're sat there and then, OK.

42:58See, you get the nod. Like the gaffer when you're not playing. I think that's your man enough to know that, OK, I'm struggling here now. We need to show a bit of change in the next, say, three weeks, four weeks. Have that conversation. I thought United, and maybe it's something that's just ignorant. I just thought when they brought you in, they brought you in obviously to the end of the season initially, didn't they? Yeah. And then obviously you didn't. Or no, they brought me in until they found someone else. So that could have been one month, two month treatment. Okay. But when they brought you in, I thought there was a, because obviously at the time the club didn't have anybody in the sporting department at all.

43:35They didn't have a sporting director, they didn't have a technical director. I thought there was a natural sort of way after a year and a half for you just to step up. Yeah. And sort of work along. In terms of like that type, have you ever thought about that, the idea of shifting up into that sporting director role so that you're not in that firing line of basically every six months losing your job. Definitely. You would consider something like that? I would, yeah. To have the Google Earth or overview, just sit there and then direction of the club. That's the long-term direction. That's when I've been the manager, I've always thought about the long-term and then developed the club.

44:08But isn't your strengths like working with players and people and emotional intelligence? I know you still have an element of that, but obviously getting the best out of players. I can't say what my strength is. I think that's someone else who's worked with me that can say that or played with me. As a human being, you don't want to stop talking about yourself. Is that seen as a cushy number though? Obviously, you've had a taste of management. I think a lot of people don't want to go upstairs because there is security in the job. That's not always a good thing either. When people go upstairs, they go, I'll be all right for a treat.

44:41I can sack one or two people. Maybe you'd miss that edginess of being a manager and that results week to week. You hear any of the managers speaking, Martin and I love it, he's going up to Celtic. I was chatting to him last week after the game, he said, we won. You have to win. That's what it's about. Yeah, if you get enough wins, you should be all right, you can survive long enough. If you're not getting results, you don't need an owner to sit down when you go, listen, if things don't pick up next to, I know that, I'm not daft. Could you pick up them vibes around your club anywhere?

45:14Hi. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. All right. Okay. So how are you now? I'm very good and healthy, which is the most important. Don't cry. Don't cry. Because then I cry too. You guys should just go outside. You've done really well. I'm doing well. I'm very happy. And how was it at the time with each other? obviously how important was it that oh my god maybe it's better if i go this is the good time now georgie i think we lived the experience a little different i think i was um just going with everything a little bit with the flow and he was very stressed out and i think he wanted to make all the choices and i wanted to make the choices so we would argue sometimes about what i wanted to do or what i could do and he was very strict and i also had to balance chemotherapy and um physio for my leg because i had to learn to rewalk and everything because i do have a transplant and metal and screws so you know he was as a football player he was making me do physio twice a day and you know he was not not me like with yeah yeah no no obviously but he was pressuring me so much and he was treating me a bit like a football player.

46:33Yeah, and discipline. There was a Kimio, we had a huge argument. She wanted to delay it for two weeks. And I was like, no, you can't delay this for two weeks. Come on, this is serious. Were they the choices that you're talking about? Yeah, I think that was our biggest argument. Everyone got involved just because I wanted to see someone and he didn't. I also wanted to be good for Christmas. I struggled a lot during my chemo. I would not eat for nine days. And I was vomiting every 15 minutes. So I think I just wanted to be good for Christmas and be with my family. And he was not happy that I was trying to delay my chemo.

47:14But I felt like it was important to be present. And also it was my sister's birthday. And I didn't want to just, you know, be in the dinner table and not being able to eat and having to rest. So I did end up delaying the chemo, which was a big scandal. Wow. She won. But I did talk to my oncologist and he was okay with my decision. So I think I felt good. And also he was telling me that I was going to do an extra session and I was telling him that's not going to happen. But I had to push. I mean, you know, like after chemio, very tough, many days without, and they would tell her she has to drink a lot of water, a lot of this.

47:52And, yeah, I can understand she didn't want because she had to vomit every 15, 20 minutes. Like she couldn't stop. So the more you drink, the more you will vomit, you know? That's mentally how we think. And I had to be a bit probably the bad cop, like pushing, come on, we have to do it, you have to do it. So for you, obviously being the bad cop in front of her, did you have to go somewhere else to kind of like release? When she would spend, because normally when she's in Barcelona, she's in my home, like all the kids basically. But when she would go with her mom for a weekend, like that's when I would be sick.

48:32That's when everything would come out of me and all the acting that you do during the week, that's the moment you can let go of it. But it's tough because it's a word that, I mean, we've seen it, it makes you afraid. And we've seen it nearby, close friends or like with my father, even though I'm super in peace with that part. but with a daughter as a father i think it's our soft spot you know we we cannot accept that yeah we cannot accept that our princesses yeah do you think you would argue because you're both very strong-willed and maybe similar personalities aquarius i think it's because we live together i think when i lived with my mom i was a bit more like her and then when i started living with him i think we morphed into the same personality which i'm not sure yet if it's a good

49:32Is there a place whereby you could see yourself just sort of settling into the TV, the punditry, doing the games that you do and then basically not going back into coaching? Yeah, I'm OK with that. That's not a problem. I enjoy covering some of the games. I enjoy having quite a bit of free time. Probably the best part I've had from a family point of view for, well, ever really in terms of being there, being presently, I was eight now. During his career, I've been in Scotland, I've been in Birmingham. So, yeah, really enjoying the family side and having a load of free time but also I'm conscious that I want to stay busy enough where I'm doing enough.

50:08I can't not see you at Liverpool at some stage and I'm not talking about like, I'm just talking about like, your connection with the club is so like, you absolutely love the club do you understand what I mean I love Liverpool but I always feel when I look at and I've never really said this to you before I'm not talking about going in to manage I'm sure you'd love to do that one day but it just feels to me sooner even if you'd have a go at management somewhere else maybe in the Championship or Premier League I just feel there'll be something with you when I look at Kenny or I look at sort of Ian Rush I just feel like that connection with you and the club will come back together at some stage?

50:52Is that something you look at? I've got a brilliant connection with the club. I always have and probably a stronger connection since I left. They've always been unbelievable. Any help or area I could help the club in. I'd always try and do it if I could. But I suppose what you want to know is do you want to manage Liverpool at some point in my life? Of course, that would be a dream. But I think Would I be ready for it right now to take it over a period of time? Probably not. But is there a possibility in the future to be alongside someone, them elite managers that you're talking about? Would you be an assistant to someone at Liverpool?

51:30It depends who it is and how the conversation goes and, you know, does he need me? What does he think I have an offer? Yeah. Would you be able to handle that in terms of, obviously, you know, you're certain... As long as I'm not sub, I'll be able to find out. No, but you've been a number one. Someone who, to be fair, likes to be in charge of their own destiny. Could you sit there and not be the person who's making that? I mean, I've done that role. I think, Roy, you've done that role. You've done that role, actually. It's frustrating at times because ultimately you're not the decision-maker. Could you handle that?

52:00Yeah, but you'd have to understand it before you sign up to it. Yeah. You know what the role is, and it's to support the manager. It's to be that assistant. I would do it for Liverpool Football Club. If I was asked and they felt I was the right man to do it, I'd be open to it, yeah, of course. Depends on the manager. Depends who the manager is going. Whatever the role. Again, obviously, when you do with Martin, and to be fair, Villa with Paul, but with Martin particularly, if you've got a respect for a manager, it's great to learn off somebody like that. You probably need a manager who's not going to...

52:29If you've got Stevie Gerrard at Liverpool as your number two, you're probably going to be a bit afraid of it. You're going to be a little bit worried about... I think certain people might be, but I think... The top guy's... When you speak to the top guy, I remember sitting down with Jürgen Klopp and coming out of a conversation with him and just thinking, and you're just above it all. You're just above the media. You're just above... You're so thick-skinned and, like, the aura and the charisma that you had. And I was just thinking to myself, just do anything you ask me to do. I walked out the room, I was seven foot eight.

53:00And I think what's helped you on about if you've... Because you've been a manager before, I think when you've been a manager and become a assistant, I think it helps because you know what the manager's going through. Yeah. It's a big plus. And you take a lot of pressure away from him and help him. You know what exactly is... And particularly if it's a manager you respect, you go, yeah, I'll do anything for this guy, whatever he says. and the top managers don't see he's a threat they go I know you're not a threat to me the other side is the chance to be part of you winning for Liverpool again as Jamie said that connection won't leave me I do love them what were you like at home in that period after a defeat or when you leave Villa what are you like at home how do you change from what you ordinarily would you're asking me do you want to phone Alec nightmare miserable no no no no just It's tough.

53:45It's tough. You know, you don't like to fail. You don't like to get things wrong. You don't like to let people down. When I took the villa job on, I was desperate to help them. They gave me an incredible opportunity. You don't like to be criticised or people to say you're not good enough. It's not a good feeling. So you have to process that yourself and go, well, how did that happen? Where did it go wrong? What would they do different next time? Blah, blah, blah. And that's what you go through. But initially, for the people that haven't been in them big jobs, it's tough. you've had it once do you appreciate your family a bit more when you lose your job a little bit my wife preferred when we were losing if we won a few games I'd be walking in like John Wayne you know what I mean I'm the man we lost a few games I was like what's for dinner I think if you'd ask the humble pie you know what I mean she'd rather me not do it she'd rather me not do it she says to me like you've had that long a career and then you've had a go at it for 8-10 years and stuff just don't do it why do you put yourself through it But I missed playing as well, bad, for a period of time.

54:45Did you? Yeah, I missed playing. Used to just love the routine and knowing what I was doing. Did you play in the training games? I'm playing on Saturday. I'm playing on Saturday. One of the legends games. I think it's the World Cup final. Seriously? I'm going to be looking massive in the kit and all that, but I can't wait. Have you been training for it, though? I always think about injuries in them games. You're doing the paddle, aren't you? The pitch is a bit bigger than the paddle, aren't you? Saying that's some of the partners. I've played it. Get some legs around, yeah. It's a usual experience, yeah.

55:13But I believe Tiago and a few others are playing, so I'm just going to sit and just barcode us. Brilliant.

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57:20The next round is the football pictionary round. You're all going to have 90 seconds and it will be 90 seconds to name as many clubs as you can. Kira's going to come back to keep time and he's going to bring out the easel and all the rest of it. Captains, so Roy and Paddy, you need to pick someone that you want doing the drawing, right? What? Not me. What were you saying? I can't draw. It's not the drawing. Are you drawing? I'm thinking about what it is. Have we got to guess the team? You're drawing. You're going to go at drawing. No, listen, listen. It's not about drawing. It's not about drawing.

57:54I reckon you do that. So this is like a charade, bro. Pictionary. Pictionary. Good shout. Good shout, E. Can I do words, by the way? No, Gary, it's pictures. Yeah, just right there. Can I do words? Old school. And I can't draw on my left hand. No, no, but you just have to draw like that, Gary. Come on. I'll be cutting across it, though, won't I? You'll be fine. You'll be fine, honestly. You know, Tony Hart.

58:21She's been a fun, you know. I was still a little bit of a... I can't get quite right here. He'd be drawing a jaw hand. Ready. Right. 90 seconds they're all football teams Gary's going to draw just pictures you can't do words and we can show as many as we want you can shout out as much as you want and then when you guess it you move on to the next one Gary or you can pass if you really want to I started by looking at Kieran you ready 90 seconds starts now oh shit it's a football that's a Man United or Man City how do you know that because that's a man it's a man is it where's one then I would have got that rummy Knell go to the next page if you want as well, Gary.

59:01Fuck me, it's going to be a picture of this. See, it's because he's had to stand on that side. It's not going to get... Liverpool, pool, is that a pool? Black pool. Is it Premier League club? Is there any teams? Volcano. This is not wrong. Any football teams? Eruption. In the world? In the world. Corruption. He's moved on, he's moved on. That's 30 seconds gone. Take your time, sorry. Come on, Gary. If you need three or four. Ah, lovely stuff. Oh! Oh! I'm sticking! Sunderland. Ian Chil. Yeah, I've got that, guys. Ian Chil of the North. Newcastle. Newcastle. No. No. No, no. No, no. The nightmare.

59:41Thanks. Liverpool, Everton, Blackpool. Southampton. How long's left? Ian. Come on, draw Southampton. That's one minute. Salford. Salford. 30 seconds left. No. Southampton. Can't speak. Can't speak. Stop turning the card round as well, Gary. Fucking hell. Oh yeah That's what you want to draw That's what you want to draw Gary That's good Gary we can see the car Oh here we go PSG PSG PSG Yeah Apple Tower Apple Tower Apple Tower is at a club Fucking hell Two right so far What are you up Gary What are you doing And one Second left Oh my god What was it Apple Tower What was that one It was a pint for Rovers Rovers return But you fucking saw You can have wrote Rovers?

1:00:28Blackburn Rovers, you can't write a word. Blackburn Rovers, you can't write a word. Blackburn Rovers, move on to Real Madrid. I think Roy getting Eiffel Tower from that is amazing. Where's Real Madrid on there? Halo. Paris Saint, you man. Paris Saint, you man. Who's doing your drawing? Right, who's up? Tell you what, though. Yeah, Nicky, but... I know he's got a Garrick show and answer on that. I'll stand that side as well. Do you want me to hold them for you? Gary, why didn't you just draw like Jude Balladon? But when you got out of the point, just move them on. Fucking hell. Tough crowd. Okay, guys.

1:01:08Can't use letters. Don't worry about it. Can't use letters. No words or letters. Hang on, hold on to the cards, Nicky, like Gaz did. Do you want to hold on to them? No, no. Nice one, Nicky, do it properly. Oh, the rules change every time. I'm trying to help him, man. Every time. Yeah, no. Paddy, we only got two. Paddy, we cheated that well, we only got two. You know what I mean? Paddy, you do know these are X-Men United. Oh, he just whispered something. I swear to God, I never... Go on, Nicky. Right, Nicky.

1:01:39Nothing about me. God, he's lying. Nicky, you're 90 seconds. Hang on. He's mine. Have you started? Have you started? I'll start again, start again. Start again. I'll allow it once. Move it round, Nicky. Pull that back leg out, mate. It's going to go over that. I can't hold your knees. I'll land your cards. I'll go on this side. Right. Go on. Here is Mike. Right, that's your first one. Time starts. No. You have to do it left-handed. You can pass it. Pass it. Pass it. Pass it from that side, Jay. Oh, fuck. He just... Hide it when you're bringing them down. I'm trying, Roy. I've got too many cards.

1:02:14That's a hard one, that. Pass it on, pass it on, pass it on. Fucking hell. Come on, Nicky. House. House. How long is it? He can't shout behind my back. Come on, Nicky. That's a good bit. I don't know that one. Fucking hell. Throw something for fuck's sake. Nicky, come on. Move on. Next one. He's on me and talking. 30 seconds. Nicky, Nicky. He can't shout behind me. Liverpool. Fucking Liverpool. Shut up a minute. Move on. Robbie Fowler. Stop guessing you're putting Nicky butt off How long to go Kieran? House How long to go? 50 seconds How long? Nicky come on son Here we go Just draws Shirts House Madness House of fun The kit's colour One minute Are you meant to us?

1:03:08Yeah What? Come on Come on Black and white stripes I don't know How did you get in there? Do the same again? In the cards in the way. Do you see him again? That's a clue. In the way of football, though. Oh, I might be fucking meant to get that. Nicky, come on, son. I'm struggling. How can you? Here we go. Liverpool. Easy. Easy, this one. Come on, Kieran. Easy. Oh! He's got a shot. He's got a shot. Thank you. Right. He's got a shot. He's done it. Hosting Portugal. Villa. Aston Villa. I'm with you. There you go. United are gay United are gay all game in the year you know in Barcelona you should have put like a cell a cell like bars fucking brilliant that gets it straight up that's hard at the end of that round stick to football or on 17 the good the bad that was out sorry boys that was out I don't know what I'm meant to do there oh just anything no that was out anything just fucking late what's your head rent free mate how do you score the club what do you think draw the shape of the shield I said Liverpool by the way I said Liverpool and he was drawing Aston Villa and he said Liverpool

1:04:34we had Andrew Douglas I don't know if you know him top top top top players and but they just couldn't make that final hurdle Arsene Wenger came in and he still had a big, big top squad. So we had the odd opportunity to come and train. Oh! Oh! He's got Justin Lien! Oh, my goodness! He's got a pop-up! Oh, my God! Oh, my God! We need to know who that was ever. We need to know who that was. Anybody else started calling?

1:05:15My phone's always off. There is a gun. Jesus, Roy, that's not a gun. Ash. Ash. I'm sorry, it's a showstopper, that. I need a mini-roll. Where was I again? He just said, well, them older players are so important to learn from me.

1:05:37I'm raging with that. You got a new tube. You go on YouTube I've got four jobs on silent You go on YouTube With your algorithm There's an amazing Press conference of him With a guy I've seen him Who's phone's that Who's phone's that Rude Can I tell you A quick story about that I'd done an Ipsos game Last year for Sky The guy whose phone was ringing Came over and apologised He came looking for me And I asked him I said Well why didn't you Switch it off all them years ago He said I was nervous I didn't know what to do But he apologised for that And I apologised for that Don't be silly Really whoever's made that fall that's what you get whoever's ready let it go Ian no you can't let that go Roy we've got to find out who that number was that is brilliant I'm so happy that's made my day that

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