Bruno or De Bruyne, Kane for Ballon d’Or & Scholes’ Favourite Teammates | The Overlap Fan Debate

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0:32national team. Plus, if you want to test your soccer knowledge, try On The Ball. It's a game in the Guardian app, and it's really, really fun. And if you're into stuff like this... Well, I think the problem is, if you give footballers an inch, they will take a mile. Is it too much when it's this close? It's a bit much. It's a bit too real. Maybe you could just talk with a slight delay. Be sure to listen to our Football Weekly podcast for on-the-move expert analysis. The Guardian, bringing you the whole picture on soccer. Search Guardian Soccer for more. Have you looked at your utility bill recently and thought, how is it this high?

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3:43Shut up. Shut up, Luke. Are they a top club? Shut up, Luke. Shut up. Shut up. Maduroan 1-1 at Turf Moor. There's nine minutes left, and he come on and got a hat-tick. We got B4-1. Two other hat-tick in nine. At 15. You played for Burnley? If Tottenham are relegated, they will get stuck in the championship. No. Please. It's very close to De Bruyne. I think Harry Kane's the best player in the world right now. United haven't won the league since 2013, so that's my starting point. But I was going to say, like, obviously the start... That's got nothing to it, a question, hasn't it? What was the main ingredient for England's failure during your era?

4:19We'll be ****.

4:32What's that with Ben? Ah, who knows? Busy. Good being busy, though. How are we? Hey, are we OK? How are we? You all right? Yeah, how are we? You want me? Scolsy. Are we black and grey? You all right. Are we grey? Is it grey, eh? Scolsy. What? I'll have you and my sofa again. Is that a green banana? Yeah. Why have we got green bananas? They're a nice fire, then. Scholes here I don't think we're going up Saturday are we we're not going up Saturday are we I don't think so you're going now no I've been to three away games and we've lost everyone yeah I've been mad every week are you going yeah just in case no I don't go last game of the season it won't actually be last game of the season I want to see you bit invade the pitch if we don't worry I'm fucking crazy

5:31Speaking as a Tranmere fan As long as you beat Crowley on Saturday That's You can't go down We can Yeah we can You can go down Yeah How Exactly But Tranmere player You play someone don't you Grimsby We play Grimsby at home yeah Everybody plays someone on Saturday Yeah it's Matt Arsenal first City second I didn't know whether to start with United from last night Or whether just to go straight into sort of I think Tottenham's a bad story I think Chelsea is What do you mean? Or do you think Arsenal City? I think Arsenal City Just to set the store For the top of the table And then we'll get Arsenal to go I was stuck on the train Coming out from London Couldn't get to the game Watched the first half On my fucking iPad Then watched the second half They always win But I'm not fucking there I mean That was me for a while I was the bad luck I thought we played Really well second half We were stuck at it We were Too long there There you go Well done Right okay everybody Please welcome Gary Neville and folks goes.

6:27How are you doing?

6:35Hi everyone. Are we all good? Hello. I should have kept my glass. We're matching. We are. We are. Right, we're going to do a quiz first.

6:51This segment is brought to you by Microsoft Co-Pilot as part of the partnership with the Premier League. Welcome to the Time Added On quiz where loyal fans take on 10 questions in 60 seconds. With the Premier League companion powered by Microsoft Co-Pilot revealing the correct answers, we'll find out who really knows their club's history in the league. Fans' names will climb the leaderboard and the ultimate winner will take home a special prize at the end of the season. Let's get to it. So up next, we've got Baz, one of our resident Everton fans. You'll be answering questions on your beloved toffees.

7:23If I'm mid-question when the time runs out, I will finish that question and take your answer. If I've started, that's why I'll finish. You can pass with any questions that you don't know. Sound good? The quiz is going to start on Paul's whistle. You have to whistle, Paul. Right. One, two... Now, wait a minute. Whistle, but it does. It wasted three seconds. Come on. Go. Robert Lukaku is Everton's all-time Premier League top scorer. Who has the most assists? Leighton Baines. Who was Everton's Premier League top scorer last season? NGI Yeah What's Everton's highest Premier League finish ever? Fifth Fourth Who made more Premier League appearances playing for Everton, Arteta or Pinar?

8:09Pinar Which Frenchman joined Everton from Manchester United in 2017? Morgan Schneiderlin Which Everton defender played every minute of the 22-23 season? Everton defender Tarkovsky Wayne Rooney scored one Premier League hat-trick for Everton's ceiling with a strike from the halfway line Who was it against? West Ham Which manager led Everton to the highest Premier League points total of 72? Martinez Who was Everton's manager for the first ever Premier League season? Howard Kendall No, I'm going to go one more because I delayed How many red cards have Everton been shown this season? Four Wow I'm giving him an extension Because I cocked up on one of the questions Well done Baz Well done Baz

8:58Baz did I detect when I said Which manager led Everton To their highest Premier League Martinez There was a bit like that one So how many questions did you ask then? Ten You got nine You only got one wrong Baz, unbelievable Nine out of ten Does that mean there's a tiebreaker Between Baz and Flav? and Luke what about me oh and Luke right this is the tiebreaker and it's quite a difficult question and it's who gets nearest so to the three of you let's ask the Premier League companion powered by Co-Pilot what's the record amount of goals scored in a Premier League season so who wants to go first I don't know I think you should go first yeah yeah you've always got an answer we'll go in league order we'll go in league order City Everton Spurs 100 What?

9:51Goals How many goals in a season For the whole Premier League I thought you meant for one team Okay I'm going to go 1 ,100 What? Ooh I'm going to go 1 ,200 I'm going to go 1 ,437 1 ,200 On the note Well the answer is the answer is the record Premier League goals in a season was 1 ,246 yes Flav Tottenham have won something and we're staying up

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14:07And it's going to be a Community Questions Round with a difference because we told you before, Flav, that we didn't tell you what your prize was for actually winning the quiz thing. Right. The prize is that you take over from me because I've got to go and you present the Community Questions Round. OK. That sounds terrifying.

14:30Well done, mate. Well done, everybody. Yeah, Gene. Well done. Slav, make sure you get a bigger rate. Yeah, yeah. A rate? Do you know how to read, yeah? Well, I've got a question. My question is for Gary. Slav, why did you retire? So, hello, I'm taking over from Gary Neville for now and joined once again by Paul Scholes. we're going to go straight into the community questions to Adam McCola what you got Van Persie or Van Nistelrooy I feel like it's so obvious if you were going to buy a striker and they were both available now in their peak both unreal but Van Nistelrooy he's the best Van Persie was amazing I was just I was probably at the right age with Rude so I probably just favourite Rude I think Van Persie in that season as well 2012-13 after like January he just kind of stopped scoring didn't he and it was it was like Chikorito and Rudy who started coming from yeah Rudy was ruthless and Rudy was an out and out number nine he didn't do anything else Van Persie could do a little bit more do you know what I mean he could drop into the teneries and do little bits but if you're talking now best on the forward Rudy can I ask you about Bruno Fernandes yeah because he's possibly going to equal this assist record maybe break it how difficult is that do you think for a player to do and what are your thoughts when you watch Bruno Fernandes he's a different level from anything United have got everything United do good is through him whether he's centre midfield or he's the number 10 I think he's the number 10 all day long as we talk about Odegaard Odegaard should be that type of player for Arsenal and he isn't doing it I think United over the last couple of years I probably needed two Brunos one to be that midfield player to get him playing football and one to be the number 10 to do the rest of it but that assist record is just it's ridiculous you think he's still underrated Fernandez?

16:34I think so people almost say set pieces and this that but when you I think his footballing ability and some of the things that he does he'll play a pass with that outside of his foot and all his kind of stuff I don't think people appreciate that his vision and his passing is he's very close to De Bruyne I think De Bruyne is the one person who might be slightly ahead of him but and I'm talking over the last five, six years of the Premier League I don't think there's anybody I think De Bruyne is amazing yet but I don't think he's ahead of Bruno I think if you put Bruno in that City team put Bruno in that City team it's close behave that's when you it's very close it's very close De Bruyne in that United team and he's doing more than Bruno not a chance he goes red hobbles off done Bruno Fernandes is not even in the same sentence as De Bruyne the thing with De Bruyne He wasn't the one who had to do it all the time on his own.

17:22Bruno Fernandes is, really. Do you think he would have got into a Fergie team? Bruno Fernandes? Yeah. But you also have to take into account with Kevin De Bruyne the fact that he still managed to stand out as the best player in that City team is even more impressive, I think. No, he's a great player. I'm not saying he's not a great player. I just think if you put Bruno in that City team... Would he be their best player? Also, the assisting, he's going to get the record. That's a great achievement. but you look at De Bruyne and Henry's assists, I think almost all of them were in open play. This is why I said Bruno Fernandes is getting...

17:57The chaos that Fernandes has had to operate in, at which De Bruyne didn't, it was very much a calm environment. This isn't a discredit to Bruno's game either, because I think he's world-class. He has the ball so much, and he throws so much shit at the wall, and a lot of it does stick, but I think De Bruyne was way more efficient in that sense. You need to take risks. I'm not sure about that. You need to try and make things happen. And Kevin De Bruyne played in a system where he knows Raheem Sterling's on the back post or whoever's in the back post, I can just fizz it into that position and they're going to be there.

18:26I think De Bruyne's through enough. I think De Bruyne's through enough. Everything comes off and you've got to have the balls to be able to do that. When it doesn't always happen, you've got to keep on being able to do it. Kevin De Bruyne, of course he was like that, but Bruno Fernandes is equally as brave in doing that. Do you think some players pad the stats? Because I can remember Gerrard talking about this. All day long. you're on about I think Oldergaard's one of them Gerrard used to say I'll play a pass that I'm not sure it might be on so I'll play it and it might not work but so what it might work players are obsessive and I remember him saying there are players that 100 % play safe balls because they know everything's tracked by stats yeah I think they do I think midfielders midfield players do also and that's why they go into that little area in between the back two just pass it to your centre half or occasionally to your right back so pass completion How many passes did they make?

19:19And I think Odegaard's guilty of that. I think they do that towards the end of their contracts as well. Like boost their pass completion stats and that. And it's bollocks. It's bullshit football. The thing is with Odegaard is he's told to control the game and almost not take... Well, centre-half. Look, I'm a big fan of... I love him, but he's playing in the wrong position. I don't disagree with that, but I think that the bravery has been stripped from him. I think he was way better. He scored 15 goals three seasons ago. Yeah, yeah. All their players have gone backwards. I think he might be better.

19:48Now Saka comes back these last five games, I think you'll see an improvement in him. Fucking hope, Sal. Ellie, let's move on to you. Go on, Flap. Who was the best player that you've played with? Ryan Giggs. Longevity, don't get me wrong, but the way he changed himself as well, because as a young kid, he was a flying winger, going past everyone. European nights, Adam will tell you, he just got everyone going. Give him the ball, he'll start something happening, and the crowd just erupts off that, and then going to 40 years of age playing Senna midfield as well it was brilliant what about you Flav?

20:22Joe Cole when I was 15 played Highbury Grove versus St Aloysius and yeah he was amazing played with him or against him? against him they had to play I think he played half of football who's the best you played with them? well no one must be someone you don't have to know his name well there's a guy called Leon Bell I used to play with He played for Barnet, I think. Right. He's just got the craziest name drop. If we're dropping names, I played against Ryan Giggs for Burnley against United. For who? For Burnley. Burnley, right. Against United. FA Youth Cup, he was 15, he was Ryan Wilson. Yeah. And we're drawing 1-1 at Turf Moor.

21:04There's nine minutes left, Old Trafford replay. Yeah. And he come on and got a hat-tick. We got B4-1, two other hat-tick in nine. At 15. You played for Burnley? Can we move on? I played against Leroy Lita And he scored nine against me I was in goal Reading? Leroy Lita? I was in a charity match I wasn't at the top level I'm just saying That's who we played I played in a charity match Against Danny Maddox Do you remember Danny Maddox? Honestly the worst experience I've ever had in my entire life And he had Stuart Nevercott next to him Tottenham Yeah it was I'll say nothing bad I get it Right, Gareth.

21:45What question have you got, please? Yeah, my one is, you know, watching, listening to Arna Slott this season, he's been frustrated an awful lot, and I can see where he's coming from, about players and goalkeepers just going down all the time and wasting time. And it almost seems like, you know, they've planned it, you know, your turn, next type of thing. And it's constantly disrupting any kind of plan for him, but also our watch as fans. It's happening all the time at Anfield and it's like... So what can we do about it? It happens every week at League Two. I first came across this when I was manager for Oldham for them five games, but we were playing Lincoln away and it was the two brothers.

22:30And our goalie coach at Oldham used to work for them and he said they'll do this. So how can you stop it? You can't stop it. And every League Two game that I go to, they do it now we might do it sometimes as well which I probably shouldn't say but there's no way of stopping and I always have the two assessors in front of me the referees assessors I say what are you going to do to stop this because it's so obvious but there's nothing you can do and if someone says they've got cramp you can't do anything because it's your keeper it's not as if you just say get off the perch it's your goalkeeper now they were saying something about maybe another player might have to go off with him sorry not off with it instead of him so you have to choose one player to go off for a minute or so I don't know I'm not sure what other ways they are around it just because it's the goalkeeper that's why everyone do it that's the thing what did everyone think about the Palace goal if it was your team would you want them to carry on and put the ball in the net despite the keeper being injured I thought Palace did the right thing like Di Canio remember when Di Canio put it in the back of the net what are you doing unless it's a heading Do you remember that Leeds one, though, a few years ago?

23:39It was a game that didn't matter. If it was like the play-off final, like a massive game, I'm not being familiar. If Harlan's in on goal and Raya goes down, he's just scoring. Yeah, you have to score. I think it's the classic football fan logic, isn't it? If it's against your team, you're going to moan and say, he should have done it. And if it's your team and he doesn't put it in and stops, you're like, what are you doing? You should have put it in. So it's one of them can't win type of situations. Matt, have you got a question? I was going to ask Scolese, what was the main ingredient for England's failure during your era?

24:13We were shit. On paper, though. It was not on paper, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, like you said, on paper, but we weren't played on paper. We had a lot of very good players. I just don't think it came together. it never really gelled or flowed different characters egos I suppose a little bit maybe people thinking more about themselves and what the actual about the team Did Fergie create that culture a bit with United players like when you went to an England camp were you all like sat together or would you kind of mingle How can that be Fergie's fault? No I'm just saying was it the United like mentality of we're going to win these games and win this league and you go to England and it's a little bit like you're kind of sitting with the enemy type thing the rivalry was massive I think it probably was a bit of a problem I'm not seeing so much sitting together because when there's six or seven lads and we all come down at the same time we aren't going to sit on the same table when there's tables of eight so four or five tables around look Liverpool let's sit together Arsenal let's sit together it's just the way the way it goes well there are people that genuinely dislikes each other in that team do you think or is it more subtle than that yeah I don't think it was ever made public or there was arguments between people I think people looked at people and thought he's a dick or something like that maybe I don't know and it just it never felt right it never felt like a team if you know what I mean and managers tried all different things and nobody really got it right Is there anything you would have done differently though if you could go back?

25:51No I don't think so I think Gerrard saw after Bogdala I think he said something on the podcast along the lines of he sees Carragher with you and Neville and stuff like that and he's like and they're obviously all good lads and he said and I kind of look back and think well we could have got on if we'd all try to be Yeah I think about that all the time it's a big regret because like Steve McMahon and Robbie Fowler great lads but at the time we wouldn't really spend obviously you've got to do a little bit with them because you're next to them but you wouldn't go out of your way to make conversation you wouldn't have a laugh with them like you do now we see them all night And you look back and think, fuck it, that was petty.

26:28That was stupid. But at the same time, we're trying to win leagues. We're playing against you every week. We want to beat you every week. But if there are players now from opposition that do show each other respect, people are like, oh, the game's fucking gone, the game's gone. Yeah, all shaking hands in the tunnel. I do hate that. Kissing them and cuddling and all that stuff. Or being all pally before the game and all that. Gary never even spoke to his brother before games. but you see England England are probably doing a lot better now than we did clubs eh but yeah they're all like there's no there's no five or six of them at big clubs and the rivalry's not probably there I think Rooney Rooney spoke about wearing longer studs to try and do John Terry and I swear that was like a month before a World Cup or something like that it's quite just nuts you know what I mean he injured himself yeah yeah he broke his foot broke his foot there wasn't he yeah Baz question please mine is this year loads of times the manager's lost the dress and all that so in your experience do you think that players do sort of throw the towel in with the manager and is it a thing or is it just something that is easily levelled at both when it's not going well it's really that's really a hard question for me to answer because of where I was for 20 years I just had the same manager ok we're at Salford and Dave Gary's put quite a few managers in there.

27:55So when you're looking at it? No, I've never thought managers lost a dressing room. I think there will be rumblings in dressing rooms. Even when you're doing all right, there's still rumblings of people moaning about something. They moan about anything, even if you're doing well. But no, I can half get it. Look, even when you're going, players will still take the piss out of a manager a little bit when he's doing stuff. You think of Rosinha there, you can imagine some of the stuff he was coming out with. Players are, you are going to have a laugh about it. But likewise, if you're top of the league and the manager might have a phrase he says all the time, or the way he says it, players will be taking the piss out of that.

28:43You always take the piss out of something. Let me ask you this one then as well, an additional one. just on Everton how well how much of a good job do you think David Moyes has done since he come back in because you were talking before about whether he can take it on and we see this like on our podcast people are moving on now and get the next one and you're like haven't we learnt you know we're doing better I'm not saying he's perfect because he's not but I'm looking at it from the outside Brilliant a brilliant manager look it didn't work at United we say it didn't work it was only 10 months again with such an experienced manager but no he's done brilliant you say that moving on I think it's a bit like that with West Ham as well wasn't it yeah he's done great but now he's I never liked playing against David Moyes his teams I always felt they were the most organised team you could ever play against now you might get criticised for the football they play sometimes but I think that's even got better I think I'm not in more entertainment but again it's down to players he's got yeah that's what I meant it's more of with what he's got how well he's done exactly yeah he lived out brilliant experience managed a great career you actually look exactly like him me you don't you don't I'm not giving him that out you just yeah I'm not you don't by stone yeah that's it when you come in before and walked into the wall I thought is it a size you have got the arse and winger look terrifying yeah you do I get in the killing cows sometimes look scared yeah Luke have you got another question for us Yeah, so I was going to ask, like, obviously United haven't won the league since 2013, so that's my starting point.

30:24But I was going to say, like, obviously the standard... That's got nothing to do with a question, has it? That's just about Arsenal. Obviously, like, the standards have dropped. Do you see United getting anywhere near kind of the standards of when you were a player? Or do you think that ship's kind of gone? Is it 20 years away from them, you know, getting there? I hope not, Luke. standards I think standards definitely dropped or managers allowed standards have dropped over the years I don't think Michael will allow that and standards have to be if you're going to win a league they've got to be kept to City winning leagues standards will be high people expect a lot from them every single week and I don't just mean on the football pitch on the training ground as well or off the pitch even when you're dealing with staff around the place standards at Manchester United definitely dropped I'm saying that for somebody looking in so I don't really know but you can see it you can see different signs of social media and stuff and your Lingard and your Pogba's pissing about in the dressing room would never have happened I'm not saying that's right or wrong by that because that's just the way the world's gone but standards at football clubs are big and especially at a club like Man United So if you could put obviously your manager if you could put him back at United now in like let's say in his prime years or whenever you want to choose, do you think he would be able to do that now in this era?

31:48Or do you think he'd do that immediately or do you think it'd take a long time? No, he'd do that straight away. People would be frightened of him. But in a good way. Yeah. Can I ask you a question about what Wayne Rooney said the other day when he was asked what the 2008 United team would do to this current Arsenal side? Did you agree with him when he said that you'd batter them?

32:12Yeah we're all a bit old now But yeah we're still beating

32:18Yeah I think we'd be too strong for them The question's daft They didn't even beat 2026 Man United I could flip that and say that City did the W United that year In 08 you did didn't it I remember the Munich Memorial game That was a depressing one It was Ben Jani twice I remember that How he scored in that game Yeah I don't know why he didn't shoot more Okay so which Final question for everybody Which current Premier League footballer Would make it into An all time 11 Premier League footballer So someone from this season Would make it into An all time Premier League 11 In their current state Or by the end of their career In their current state As they're performed This season Oh What Harland's the only One and even I don't think he would be in it Flav give us at the end Of the career Alright then Salah Harland at the end Of his career What he'll be the number number one he probably would have scored the most amount of goals yeah maybe Bruno Fernandes wouldn't gain no Mohamed Salah Mohamed Salah's not better than Ronaldo so doesn't happen but hasn't Salah done more in the Premier League Premier League all time 11 he has Ronaldo won three in a row I think Salah and Kupac do you think by the end of his career Kusin you could make an argument for Van Dijk although I don't think that's not the question though Luke is it I'm a fan of the Van Dijk shout I think he's definitely in it He wouldn't be in mind but you could make an argument for him No No But people say Vidic Van Dijk's only done it at the top level for the last four or five years Real Ferdinand Ferdinand For what?

33:54Van Dijk Real was doing that Eight years now Van Dijk's been I think world class for about eight years now How long has he been at Liverpool? Yeah about it 2018 the year they got to the Champions League wasn't there has he well didn't realise it was that long might be right he hasn't been well class the last two years he's dropped off a bit though hasn't he he has dropped off one that's not here anymore Harry Kane he could potentially get in he's still playing isn't he would you have him instead of Harlan though I would have Harry Kane I think Harry Kane is the best player in the world right now I have Aguero Harlan I think after Bruno yeah but that current in terms the Dwingland in order for Kane to be considered for the Ballon d 'Or this year?

34:37England have how far into he should be considered anyway he just needs to win the Champions League even if England gets to the quarter finals and go England never win anything so what does that matter? Typically you have to be around that conversation you have to have a great World Cup on top let's say France win it who's the likelihood to win the Ballon d 'Or from there? I think Harry Kane has got a great shout out it's Harry Kane if they win it yeah definitely ok so to end the show we're going to have some hot takes let's see what you think about this this season could be the most exciting end to a Premier League season ever it's already been done 2012 beats it because the relegation on the final day was it at Bolton I think it was Bolton and the Aguero goal the excitement on the final day they're not going to beat that oh shit I know it wasn't Premier League but Anfield 89 is better than that and Aguero vs QPR was fixed so it doesn't really 3 out of 10 rage I'll give you on that ok Curric could be the best Manchester United manager since Alex Ferguson if he gets a chance to stay on?

35:36It's not difficult. Wouldn't be that difficult, I was going to say. I think Ali is currently, given, I know he didn't win any trophies, but I think when you look at the football we played, finished second and third, I know that's not what we want. Mourinho won though, it's all about winning, isn't it? Ten Hag won the top of the trophy. If Tottenham are relegated, they will get stuck in the championship. No. Please. I mean, what happens though, if they get relegated, the amount of players you're going to lose. you spent a billion on that ground as well everyone currently that's got an ACL will stay so that's at least four players Tottenham will go right back up you'll win the league so you'd have said that about Leeds in 2004 am I going to Champions League that year the championship's so hard they've got so much money they're going down you can't attract players in a championship I think Lava will stay Leicester had the biggest thing Van Vien will go Romero will probably go yeah Romero Van der Venen they'll keep the majority Vicario.

36:34Apparently, Daniel Levy has put in a... Is he back? No, he's not back. Yeah, they've all got clauses. All got clauses, which protects a lot. We're going to lose tons and tons of money, but we'd probably be all right. A good friend of mine, James Alcott, he's a QPR fan, and I like to message him every now and go, just how good would Archie Gray be in the championship? And he'd go, it'd be brilliant. You'll have no problem. So, fingers crossed. But we're not going down, so it doesn't matter. So the championship is much harder than the Premier League. Yeah. To do what, though? Yeah, I don't know.

37:04I mean, to win it? You'll find out next season. All right. A lot more games, isn't it? The Hoos. It's tough, yeah. It's tough, yeah. It is tough. I think it might be the most entertaining league in the world. Do you mean tough in terms of physical? I mean, I would imagine, yeah, the physicality of the championship is... I disagree. I think people say that, but when you get in the Premier League... How many times have you seen somebody get loaned out and look great in the Championship and then they come up? I know, but it's the league that you're playing in, isn't it? The Premier League. Relatively, yeah.

37:31It's a tough league. Them three leagues outside of the park, they're horrible leagues. Premier League's very physical. They're tough, aren't they? What is physical? Physical. Games. The amount of games Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday, a lot. It's fucking hard work. Next uptake is, there are way too many games in a season something needs to change. The European leagues. Yeah. Get rid of the international break. What is this stupid group rubbish? Nations League. Yeah, Nations League. Abolish international breaks. I can't stand international breaks Horrible aren't they What do you think about the idea Of abolishing international breaks Completely And just giving Making a shorter season And just giving the managers A month Everyone has a month For the sport But then it's not form based And you don't get to try out New players and stuff Yeah tough You know next season They're doing like a double International break At the start It's three weeks long The first international break Is three weeks long September I know this is a different sport Netball is a totally different sport Don't get me wrong I'm not stupid but he plays six months of the league and then they do six months international.

38:35Now, I know that's not possible with football but I'm pretty sure, how many international breaks are there? Three or four? Four or five. So that's eight games. September, November, March. Can you not do that at the end of the season? Because if you don't have them breaks, you could probably finish the start of May and then over them next four weeks, get all your squad together, play your eight qualifying games and then you've got to... Is there not going to be players then that just don't play though? Yeah. Like if you're like, let's say Gibbs, he didn't get picked. Luke, we're trying to solve a problem.

39:03I care about England. Luke, what do you mean players don't play when? So, you know, when you said there's like a four-month, however long at the end of the season. No, not a month. No, a month. It's just saying if you're trunking. Those breaks are two weeks long and there's like four of them. Yeah, so that's eight weeks. So what's your point, that if someone's... I hate him, by the way. Someone's in form in November. Horrible. What did you say? If your point is someone's in form... Yeah, that's what I'm saying, yeah. But then that's your own fault. But then what would happen, like, Elliot Anderson wouldn't have been playing until the end of this season and he's been phenomenal for England.

39:31Players that aren't in these big six, they wouldn't even get a look in. I think these international breaks are needed so that you can try out players, that you can look through... It's need less. I just think that's not enough of a reason to keep them. I don't care if... I just think it interrupts the Premier League, it interrupts rhythm of the teams. Yeah, but what about England? Yeah, but they'd be happy having all their players together. Yeah, of course they'd be bloody happy. They'll play the same players all the time, their favourites. You're trying to make it a big six thing, it's not that.

39:56And again, when it's not a World Cup part of European summer as well that also replicates that so it gives you a little bit of practice but then when Anderson wouldn't have come in in the same way but he might have gone because he was brilliant last year Anderson would still get picked right now he'd still get picked for that but what about all the times that you get with the team looking at what works what doesn't work we're looking at this from a perspective because we love the league we're Premier League fans but I don't have England fans which I am they're mad they're crap they're crap they're crap if you get rid of international breaks And it's the same for everybody Exactly It's the same for everyone Same for everybody across the board It wouldn't just be England I don't know We've got to move on Manchester United Are not a top club anymore Move on Yeah Stupid They're always Depends how you angle that question What did you say?

40:42Three out of ten rage mate That's a cold It depends how you angle the question If you're talking about The last Luke Sure No they've got a fan base They've got a stadium They've got the attention But what I'm saying Shut up Are they a top club Shut up Shut up Shut up It depends how you angle it We've had Don't even believe They're not a top team, but they're a top team. Yeah, they're not a top, there you are, that's what I'm saying. Since 2013, right, we've been poor by our standards. Only Man City and Liverpool have won more than us, I think. They'll always be the biggest. We've had, the last 12 years, most football fans have chopped their bollocks off.

41:19All right, finally, if Tottenham had kept Ange, he would have got them into the top half of the table this season. you'd definitely be better off than you are now I think you'd be better off top half maybe I don't know top half and the bottom half they were always going the bad way weren't they last year I know they wouldn't you were in the top half they were always going you're the best one to answer this yeah I think I think with the with the injuries and with the chaos behind the scenes it could have been any manager and we still would have struggled massively this season the injury crisis I know no one wants to hear it but no manager can legislate for that sort of stuff especially your two most creative players Madison and Kierusevsky yeah and you lose kudos for seven months which it will be by the time he's back I forgot about him yeah Romero getting sent off we've had massive issues that are hard to legislate for Thomas Frank should have been sacked earlier I don't know if Pochettino would have made much of a difference I'm not sure Frank should have been sacked earlier I think you might have been better off if he was still there it's so boring it's so boring it's good to be boring and stay up yes great that's it for another episode of the fan debate brought to you by sky bet thank you and bye

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