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2:29going in at all 6, 7, 8 o 'clock in the morning leaving at 6, 7 o 'clock at night I could echo you mate who out of your former teammates has gone in? Clevs Clevs Clevs is the one that's now doing it Cara? Cara as well yeah but I wouldn't have said you know when people say who do you think would have been a manager I haven't got I haven't got a clue I wouldn't have been able to sit in dress rooms and say we're reeling off Milner yeah Millie's too busy running marathons but he's too busy doing marathons I'd love to work under GB but he's never going to do that is he? no chance who would you like to be a gaffer?

3:09who would I like? Stylian Petrov Gabby imagine Gabby as a gaffer can you imagine? you two as a combo honestly to be fair if he was a gaffer I'd love to play for him just because the days off he'd give me that'd be unbelievable that'd be great do well in the first 10 minutes you can have 4 days off yeah see he'd run non-stop wouldn't you? Imagine that. Martin O 'Neill. Mark 2. They were great days, Martin O 'Neill. Used to love a day off. You were. I hate that. What are you thinking, Martin O 'Neill, at the moment? Tough times for them, innit? It is tough. It's horrible to see, to be fair, the fans, the way they are and stuff.

3:42But they've got a way of... You know more. You love it. You love the club for that reason. Yeah. And Martin, of all people, will know, he will not be feeling under fire unfairly. No, no, no. Because it's win. It's win or bust. That's it. But there's so much love for him up there. When they won the league at the end of last season, it was actually... For someone who wins all the time, it was so special. It was just the way it happened. It was just the way it came about. I was watching at home. I was shouting at the stadium. Go on, go on! It was great. Enjoyed it. Well, shall we be grown-ups? We can try.

4:21All right, OK. What do you reckon? What were we saying in the air? Is it grown-up time? We'll give it a go. Yeah, mic check. One, two. who got you. I don't know if you're DJing, you're gaffering, like presenting, you're doing it all. I've got the cards, but I won't refer to them much. All right. You're going to go without it, yeah? Yeah, yeah. All right. Acapella, like. I'm going to see. MC Hart.

4:46You're watching Overlap Daily, brought to you by SkyVegas, making sure entertainment continues between the games. On today's episode, we'll be at St James' Park, where Everton got that big 1-0 win last night. We're at Old Trafford, where Ashley will be for Gasparini's Roma. And we're also discussing how Villa will get on in the Camp Nou.

5:20Tien O 'Berry, Ashley Young. Talk to me. Eight goals this season. It's flying, isn't it? But do you know what? But I think he's taken it on because, obviously, Beto left. There's no other striker that come in. As a forward and in his head, because of when Beto was there, I was thinking, right, I've got competition. I'm not going to play a lot. I've got to step up. So now he's been given that opportunity. He's not seen anyone come in the door. He's like, well, I've got to be the main man. If I'm the main man, I'm scoring goals. I'll stay on the team. He's a strange one to watch because you can't help but like him.

5:54because his effort, his energy, the way that he celebrates goals, I'll never ever let that go because he just looks like the happiest man on the planet. But the commentary last night, he'll miss a chance, but he can just let that go in the back of his mind. That's a tough skill as well. You know when you're a striker and you miss a chance and a lot, you'll see a lot of players, it'll affect them. They'll still be thinking about it and the next chance will come to them and they'll fluff their lines again. I don't know whether he's made himself that way that even if he missed a chance, oh, it's not a problem.

6:27So I'll get another one. If I get another one, then I'll score. Or if I miss that one, then hopefully I'll get another chance again and then I'll go and score. But it's good to see, it's great for Everton that they've got a striker that's scoring goals because a lot was talked about their transfer window in the summer and not bringing in a striker with leaving Tierno Barry there by himself, letting Beto go. and I think they were thinking the focal point is not going to be there. But, you know, when you see players go out the door, when you get the onus putting you to step up, he's doing it. And I think he needs to keep doing it as well.

7:04What did you think of the performance last night? I thought Everton's performance was good. You know, they've got another win. Look at that. And he's got his full arm set up. What a man. Thanks for that. Brilliant, mate. Cheers. Even though it is... What have you got? It's Yorkshire, that, isn't it? It's not. That's Rington's, that. Rington's? Is this Mark Crosley's? Mark Crosley drinks. What, is it a tea? Yeah. Come on, mate. Yeah, please. Thank you. Great, that. Yeah, it was a good away performance for Everton. I don't know whether it's, you know, psychological for Newcastle. You know, playing a team twice in a week.

7:47I don't know whether that does play a part. I'm just trying to think of when we played teams. Brighton did it. Brighton lost but played well at the ATI. Then had to go back there. I felt like Newcastle, they didn't play badly in that Carabao Cup game. No. They put Jordan under a lot of it. Evan got the win. It felt like they were ready to go. How do you think Isla's feeling this morning? I think he's going to be disappointed, I think. You've even seen quotes from him saying that they played too much long ball. What they worked on during the week didn't come out in the game. I think it's hard. It's been hard for the fans and for him.

8:26You know, when you get rid of basically the nucleus of the team, Bruno, Gimaraes, Sandro Tonali, you've got trips that we played with, you've got leaders like that, that when you lose that, and of course they've brought in players, younger players, it's going to take time to adjust. It's a style of football that is high intensity. They are front-footed, literally at times, 3-6-1. It's like all go. But I don't think they can maintain that for 90 minutes. So there's going to have to be a change. As well as, I still don't think they've replaced Isak. No. Volta Marder come in and he looked all right when he first came in.

9:04Then, obviously, he's gone out on loan. Vista has been injured. He's come back. They looked all right. Lange has had the injury. You know, when you don't replace a striker like that in a team, and we know when you ain't got a focal point, the scoring goals, the confidence at the front, top end of the pitch, it's going to be difficult, whatever. I think, Youngie, with his style of play and you look at the likes of Visser and you look at Alanga, they're speed players. Once they start carrying injuries during the season, I was never at any speed, but how was it trying to stay fit? Once that hamstring goes, once you get that niggle in your groin and then the manager wants you to sometimes sit in and go, second guessing yourself?

9:48I think it's mentally and psychological because of like you say if you tear a hamstring or you tear a groin or whatever you're then thinking to yourself even during the week training you'll think oh have I just felt something there again and then you're like oh no and then you get into a game and like you say a manager will say to you right we want to play counter attacking football literally we get it and you've just got to go and you've seen Alango the way he does like he is rapid like I know playing against him I've got to give myself 10 or 20 yards because I know if he gets going I need that head start before he goes so it's hard because like I say that when you want to go straight away and you've had an injury I think it's always playing on the back of your mind it's always there it is hard it's tough but then you like I say you got and for you obviously the goal last night Hornacek it's it's a tough one Oh, mate.

10:47I saw it break down. Same happened with Donnarumma the other day at Aston Villa. Slightly different with his set and his movement, but he'll be gutted. Yeah, yeah. And do you know what as well? Dan Byrne believed in his goalkeeper, so that much of that, obviously he saw Cher go down. Yeah. saw the shot because he's a diligent defender so he saw the shot and immediately rather than follow it in because it was that much of a he knows his Premier League goal he's collapsing on that he starts complaining to the referee about the kind of Barry in the face and then yeah you just know I watched I watched Hornacek been there I went through him he saw the goal go in and he just looked at that linesman say that camera's the linesman yeah yeah just hoping please go on yeah yeah go on Just put it up Yeah yeah And there's nothing Comes And then the game Goes on And you're thinking This game This goal Is going to decide The game This goal Would you Say you was in a game And the mistake Come at that point In the game Does that still play On your head Throughout the rest Of the game No You have to You really have to Park it Yeah But There's that extra Feeling And you almost Battle with A through ball That you'd never Usually come for you have to have this kind of guy in your head saying that is not your, like you can't change this result right now.

12:11Yeah, yeah. Even though you want to as a goalkeeper, like you can get the ball, produce some magic, score a goal. You have to, that's your job, right? You've got to say that you only get involved when you need to get involved. Yeah, yeah. If you have your bad moment, your difficult moment that you had, you've then, you know, he made some good saves and he kept it at 1-0, but it's just not a nice feeling, especially when you know technically it's just maybe something that you just took your eye off slightly and it's, like I say, it's not a nice place to be, especially when it decides the game like it did last night.

12:41Yeah, it's tough. I'm sure it is tough and I'm sure he's going to look at that goal back and think, oh, I could have done better. But mistakes do happen. It's just how it is now, the way Newcastle has started this season. It's tough and I think that, obviously, he's young as well. Yeah. Hopefully it don't affect him too much. No, he'll be fine, mate. You sign up for it. But have you had a cameo, like a Jacob Ramsey cameo before? Because he had that strike just before it, didn't he? Absolute zipper, left foot, and I thought, goal. Yeah. Then next minute. Just a moment of madness. Yeah. That's what it is.

13:18You know, we've all been there, been sent off. I have. A few times. A few times, yeah. Yeah, I just... Like, when things are not going for you, it's like it was one of them again that... Like I say, the shot comes in and he's like, right, he's involved now. And then, you know, he does get sent off. But it's... 86 seconds for the book. It's a tough one, isn't it? Yeah. I think you've got to... I say you've got to be smart. At times, right, you know you're getting booked. You're losing the game 1-0. Right, you're just... You go in to try and get the ball back. You want to just get on the front foot, get the ball because you want to go and score, you want to set someone up, you want the fans to then be behind you.

14:00but you just get a bit too excited and, you know, what could happen, like, say, eight, six seconds. Everton went into that mode last night of earning, like, buying fouls, which you've got to do, one nil away from home. They need the result and they did it so well. You could see big Dan Burnley was ready to wring someone's neck. Everyone was just like, because you care so, like, it's so hard to lose, especially at home, especially in front of that support. And I think these Newcastle players that have been brought in are brilliant footballers and I'm sure the football they produce on the training ground but it just starts to it goes from being that stadium that you want to play in to that stadium that you really need a result and you could feel that I think Jacob Ramsey was the victim You know didn't you how tough it is to play at Newcastle away Yeah For the players that play in front of them and them fans expect so much they always do they always have done and like I say it's so tough Everton we went there my last game for Everton away it was the last day of the season and I mean it was hot it was one of the toughest games I know I'm getting I was getting older so my legs were up that hill I'm telling you when you're running like that you're thinking I don't want to run up here anymore but you know you've got to put in a performance there to be able to to win a game there we come off on 1-1-0 and I think that them Everton players after last night would have come off that pitch knackered you do because like you say there's a little slope there and you feel it as well No you keepers don't feel it You stand in the goal But I'm telling you It's proper It does Unless you're going to go there And work hard It's the only way to get a result And Newcastle have been doing good things They have been doing good things It's just The little small details Like they're creating chances If you don't take chances In the Premier League You get punished And Moisey?

15:51He's doing a fantastic job there At Everton You know When he come back he literally galvanised the place fans were happy that he'd come back of course what he'd done for that club was fantastic I enjoyed parts of my time when he'd come back I was playing more so then when he did come back he had a different vision of course he's the manager, he's going to decide things I wanted to play more but it wasn't meant to be but I love my time at Everton and like I say for where I think his vision is for the club I think they're pushing to get into Europe and I think that's right for the club the size of it that's what they want that's what they need they need European football for sure I like the way he's going about it I think it's solid foundation football it's a worst case you're in the game towards the end of it best case you can play people they've got Keenan Dewsbury Hall last night I love him he's been a sensation love him as a player I want him in my team all the time it's just never ending energy he'll do the work that needs to be done I thought last night he led the team so well and I think he's taken that on since he's been at a club that do you know what I'm the big player here and I need to show my qualities what I'm about and I think that he wants to show more so because of the spell that he had at Chelsea he didn't go to plan and he's come to Ever and he's on the brink of for me England call up because of what he's showing.

17:26You know when you've got a player in a team, we've been in teams where you know you can trust that player. That player's going to run through brick walls for everyone. Every day as well. Day in, day out. And talking to the players at Evan, they say he is on it every single day. And you know when you've got someone like that in the dressing room, you know he's going to be with me in the trenches. If things get tough, he's going to be. And do you know what? He's producing on the pitch. That's the main thing. Just keep producing and keep doing that. Like I say, Everton as a club fully deserved to and should be looking at European football.

18:02When you look at David Moyes, you talked about him at Everton time. Did you see a big difference in him then than when he was your manager at Manchester United? Yeah, I did. It was always going to be tough for whatever manager come in after Sir Alex. Yeah. I don't think if you had put, you know, Jose Mourinho was later on when he'd come in. Even if he had come in, it was going to be tough for him. And I think, and it's no disrespect to Everton, coming to Manchester United, you know, one of the biggest clubs in the world, I think straight away it was like, wow, this is massive. And I think that when he'd come in, things changed too quick of course the manager's going to come in and put his stamp down and say to the players right this is how things are going to be but I think that going on tour our first tour I think we were Thailand, Australia Hong Kong, Japan and it was just you could tell that he was like what is going on here like there was so much staff we flew with 120 staff and he was going how is this possible commercially it was he took it all upon himself where it was like the boss Sir Alex he had Mick Phelan to sort and delegate and do all that whereas David Moyes took it on himself to make sure the players were doing this this this and it was like for me he should have just stuck with the football side of things and had someone like listen make sure the players just to oversee it and I think just like I say I think the size of the club at that time was just too big for him from where he was coming from and he changed things with senior players, with Giggsie and Rio, Patrice, and Emmanuel Vidic, to a point that was like, even imagine we used to stand Lowry Friday nights.

19:56And it sounds so stupid, but we used to have chips on a Friday night. I've heard about chips, mate. You know when you've got someone, like I say Ryan Giggs or Rio Ferdinand, that is setting their ways and they'll be like, yeah, we should have a few chips on the side. and they've been winning and that's a routine. Us players, we like routines. You want to stand in a routine. To come in and then turn around and it was unfortunately Alex Butner that come in and to be fair, he had his plate here and then he had a massive plate of chips. Yeah, that's what he's given. So I think it was him that then, obviously David Moyes then said, no, no to chips and he just banned it from everyone.

20:36And you know, as soon as that happened, it was like, players were like, well, I've done this for so many years now I've got to change it was just like just little things and I know people will be like chips don't mean nothing but it was when players were in a routine and you've been winning as well and you change little things it can mess with you mentally and like I say training started being different and just the feeling around the club I think started to started to change This episode is sponsored by Huel official nutrition partner of Overlap Daily Right Tim that time again Then in partnership with Huel, you and I are going to discuss one less thing in football.

21:15Now, we've had a few discussions, haven't we? Shin pads last week, wasn't it, I think? Yeah, holes. Holes in the socks. What is the one thing you would like to see one less of in football? Well, I need to. This is what needs to come out of the game. Players. You've been thinking about this, haven't you? Yeah, I hate this. I hate this. And every time someone does it, I just can't have it. It just winds me up. Players winding up the crowd like this. The team might be losing in the game. Cunha did it at Old Trafford. I adore it, yeah. He went down the bottom corner, he's like this to the crowd, and then you put the camera pans to the crowd and all giving it, get on with your own job.

21:47Yeah, you're a million. Have you got liberty? Absolutely disgusting. I hate it. Straight red card. Anyone who does that, surely they've got to get booked. If they do it again, send them off. Odegaard does it a lot. There's ones who are serial performers of it. You're going to send someone off for going to the track again. Nonsense. What are they doing? Go yellow. What are they doing? I was going to say, you know, like, standing ovations or celebrating tackles in the area, but this one winds me up more than anything. Yeah. It winds me up. These people pay their money. They're paying a lot of money to go and watch you.

22:21They're 2-0 down. Yeah, I know. You're meant to get stuck in and have a run around. Actually, you've turned me around now. I think you could be right. Straight red. One less thing in football. Telling your fans to get behind them. Waving your arms around. Instead of running more, tackling more, and trying a bit more. Yeah. Like, the manager should be standing. Michael Carrick should be doing that to his players all day. Shouldn't he? 95 minutes, he should be doing that. If it makes a difference. Are you livening yourself up? Don't worry about the fans. Yeah, all right. You having it? Yeah, I'm having it.

22:51Yeah, and I actually remember it. It was down in the left-hand side. Yeah, it was. Cunha goes out to the crowd. Yeah, it's a liberty. Yeah, I'd actually, if I paid big money to watch Absolute Dross and the player does that to me, I'd be going, you've got some front. Yeah. Who are you kidding? Yeah. Yeah, all right. Straight red. Get them out. Get them out. OK. Do you think the Premier League will have that one? Yeah. Howard Webb will get on it. Howard Webb. All right, brilliant. One less thing of football. Players telling the fans to get going. Yeah? Get rid of it. Get out. Nonsense. The verdict's in.

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25:36Welcome to Primetime Play, brought to you by SkyVegas. What are we doing? Let's forget about football for a minute. Right, OK. And we're talking race across the world. Right. Celebrity race across the world. Right, OK. How much travelling do you do? Well, you've just been away, haven't you? Fair bit, mate. Do you? A fair bit, yeah. I do, yeah. I'm either working or we're off globetrotting. Really? So would you back yourself, being a backpacker, or are you a bit more...? I'd back myself, yeah. Yeah? I'm a whatever. If you want me chilling in five-star, I can do that. If you want me rugged, side of a road, not a problem.

26:11Who'd you take with you? Milner. Milner? Milner. Would you turn up on time? Oh, he'd be on time. Hard worker. He'd be telling me off like Ashley as well. Hard worker, incredible person, incredible personality, a lot of fun, gets the job done. Milner. What essentials would you take with you though If you were to do it Sun cream Mate Nothing worse I can see that fair skin of yours Where we're I just freckle Do you? Yeah No burn I don't burn I just get more freckles Sun cream Sun cream essential Really? Yeah But you needed that last week I did I did I love that feeling of needing it as well So Jeff Stellan's doing it With his son this year Right How do you reckon he'd manage He does the long walks and stuff there, doesn't he?

26:57Does he? Yeah, I reckon he'll do all right. I don't know how he'll do physically, because I don't know him physically, but I know that he'll be a great watch. He's got so much knowledge, loves his football. He's doing it with his son right now. I'm in a difficult moment with mine, so I wouldn't want to be doing it right now. You stick with Milner. Milner, yeah, 100 % Milner. Thanks, SkyVegas. We'll catch you tomorrow with another Primetime Play.

27:26Just looking at the picture list at the moment over the last couple of days, it's been Ashley Young galore. So where are we? Everton? Yeah. Inter tonight? Yeah. Man United tonight? Mm-hmm. Watford tonight? Watford tonight, yeah. Where's your head at? Just a few. Where's your head at? My head's all over the place, to be honest. I'm going to have to, like, cut myself up. I want your head to be in that massive yellow Watford one. The short-sleeve one that come down to it? That was never short-sleeve, was it? No. It was so long. Even we used to wear a white one. Actually, we wore a white one when I scored on my debut.

27:57Yeah. Seriously, looking back at that shirt. How could you run into the wind in that? Mate, I don't even know. I don't know how to fly. No, it was crazy. Come on, talk to me about it. So you're there tonight, right? I'm there tonight, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm doing the game. United Roma. I'm feeling good, though, about it. I'm feeling confident about the game. Yeah. It's going to be tough. Why are you feeling good? Just because I think a lot of talk is about Roma and how they play. And I know, seriously, Gasparini's teams, oh my, they run and run and run. And I mean, it's man to man. So why a team like Gasparini you know is going to come on the front foot?

28:38Yeah. Why are you feeling good about a team that's going to potentially stomp all over Man United? Because how I see it is you've just got to play smart. And we play nearly, right? A lot of teams play man-to-man. I've played against Gasparini's teams at Atalanta. If you're smart and clever and you play quick one-twos, you play through the midfield to the strikers and get runners off, when I say you can hurt them, you can hurt them. We've done it. We went there and beat them 2-0 with Inamland. I scored as well. It was a great goal. Unbelievable finish. I want to bring you into it. It was great.

29:11Was it? Great finish it was, thinking about it. But it's one of them. As long as you know, right, this team, what they're going to do. When I say man-to-man all over the pitch, you're seeing centre-ars falling forward. What will you do? Take him out of that space and get runners. With United's kind of fluid front three, front four, we're going to see some bodies all over the gaff, aren't we? There's going to be people all over. But do you know what? I think it plays into United's ambience because of... If we go back to last season, right, playing counter-attacking football was what United were good at.

29:43They were unbelievable. that season they were like I think it was 49 % possession they flipped to this season they're 58 % possession so teams are going do you know what we're going to sit in the low block here go on and break us down and it's I think it's psychologically gone to United right we now need to break teams down but trying to pass it through too quick not trying to suck teams out to then play around them so I think that tonight will be that one where they can play as long as you play quick against the Gasparini team, and you've got runners and you've got clever movement, that front four could have a dream night tonight.

30:22But you could get punished because Roma are scoring for fun. For fun. Who's the most important player in Man United's team tonight? And I don't mean from a universal point of view. Yeah. Against that Gasparini team. If I'm going there tonight, who has to tick? Because I always think against them high press, your 6 and your 8 combination it's exactly what I was going to say the one touch bounce so I'm talking if a Kobe Mainu is fit enough to play and he's playing up against Darun it's so important like you say when I'm talking about playing quick 1-2s if you need to be playing 1-2 touch and making sure as soon as you play you go because you've got to drag him and he's got to run back that way.

31:13As a midfielder, you don't want to be running back towards your goal the whole time. You want to be going forward. So it's so important for that midfield trio and it's something that we always, against the Atalanta teams or Gasparini, we always focused on the centre midfielders. Always. Brozovic, Barella were so important to that but their engines were unbelievable as well. They could run non-stop but play as well. It was play and pass And it was centre forwards Romelu Lukaku Lautaro Martinez Sucking the centre halves out To get the spaces in behind It was then for the wingers The wing backs to get in behind Their wing backs as well So you are 1v1 all over the pitch And that's what you want That's the competition right I'm going to make you run non-stop So flip that You're now in the Roma dressing room Yeah What do you think his message is Going into tonight's game How is he going to hurt Man United Keep doing exactly what they've done all season.

32:10I think they've lost one game, Real Madrid, and that was off set pieces. That's another part where I think United could hurt them as well, set pieces, because they conceded, obviously, two from set pieces. But if you're a Roma, you're coming out and you're saying, well, this team hasn't been running a lot. So what we're going to do, we're going to run non-stop and we're going to keep running and see if they're going to stay with us. And if they don't, we're going to score good. Donio Marlon is scoring at three. I like it. He is, when I say he's been unbelievable, this year, 2026, 22 goals. He's got more than Harry Kane.

32:51He's been a joke, but yet he's been given the confidence to go and play. Get me wrong, when he was at Aston Villa, he'd done well. But when you've got someone like Oli Watkins in front of you, that's scoring 16 goals a season. that's getting eight assists, that's scoring another 16 goals a season, getting three assists, you're not going to play. On Donyal Marlon, as a goalkeeper, I appreciate the fact how hard he can hit a ball whilst running at speed. That's one thing that impresses me with him. How hard is that? Because that sounds very simple, what I'm saying, but when you played wing and when you played higher up, to still be moving at pace and finish because a lot of people need time to settle themselves.

33:35You can't set with him because you know he can take touches, he can take touches, he can take touches, but then he doesn't give you that moment. You'll see him zipping balls past goalkeepers. Why didn't he say that? Why is he not set? Because he hits it so hard on the run. I think that's the thing. You know that he can do things at pace, but he's already thinking, right, do I need to take another touch? Or in fact, I need to shoot here. And that's why goalkeepers can't get set. It's a skill in itself. And like you say, it's easy to talk about, oh yeah he's running and he can just shoot it's not at all because a lot of players aren't able to do that he knows what he can do and I think that's what you're seeing because he's been given the confidence by the manager like you're the main man you are going to go out and score the goals as long as you work and you see he's working hard as well he works so hard for that team and then he's got young vibrant players that are around him as well that are literally wanting to play wanting to impress and that's been a Gasparini thing as well blooding young players at every team you know we've done it at Atlanta Kulosevsky Alessandro Bastoni had come to Inter Milan when I say everyone talks so highly of the manager it's demanding and you know being in the team at 3-5-2 that plays man to man is demanding on your body I found that out when I went to Inter Milan with Antonio Conte not just his training it was being in the team and you know at times you've got to play man to man it's going to knack you out but as long as you do it and you see the rewards you see the rewards they've got this season third in Serie A doing well in the Champions League I think that if they come to United tonight and United aren't up for that battle and that running then it could be a long night for United

35:34Where's Michael Carrick in this? What's he need to demand from your Martinez, your Bruno Fernandes, does Martinez play? He's got all these sorts of things, but I've heard people say they feel sorry for Michael. Yeah. Now, I love Michael as a person, love him as a player. I don't feel sorry for him because it's the job. Yeah. It's the Man United job, right? And I don't think... Look, he wouldn't want people to feel sorry for him. I see how he talks. what's he getting from his team yesterday in terms of when he sets up for Roma? Yeah. And what's his message in the dressing room tonight? I think that's the key point about it.

36:11He wouldn't want people feeling sorry for him. Absolutely not. And you know what Michael Carrick is, what his values are, how he knows that club. He knew from taking this job there was always going to be talk of if he lost the game. Yeah. This start, this season, there's so much talk. but he'll be still confident to say they're going to go and win this game. He would have been working and I'm sure yesterday saying to them players, look at this Roma team, look at what they do. This is what they can do to hurt teams, but this is what we're going to do. Forget all the outside noise. He'll take the outside noise on himself because he wants to protect the players.

36:59players have come out and spoke about him which was disgraceful to be honest because you can't as a player we can talk inside a dressing room that's fine to a certain degree you can talk but to come out publicly I've said it already it's a joke you just don't do that and it should take other players to be pulling people up and saying you can't do that that's just not allowed but yet like I said that Michael Carrick will be saying to them players have the confidence to go out and run over this team if you play quick through this team you will get chances but that's the thing when you get the chances and Man Utd have been showing if we start like we did Chelsea last weekend if we play that 45 minutes that first half we'll win this game if you take the chances and you know whether it be in the Premier League whether it be in Europe if you don't take your chances you get punished either way it does not there's only certain times where if you get two three chances and don't take them you might win the game late on but other than that it's what the performance is needed that Chelsea first half and more to be able to win this game tonight So we talked that we wouldn't be managers right?

38:23Definitely not But I also think how much has Michael got to be on the front foot in terms of how he can beat this team? And how do you get a message to a team of this is what I want from you, but if that doesn't work, we still need a plan. How hard must that be for a coach? Because Michael can set his team up, right, to play against the Gasparini press and bounce through. Of course he can. But on the other hand, we talked about Roma's qualities and if they come and they play. How is he going to have that subtle message of this is how I think we can hurt them but if that doesn't go to plan how can we stay in the game and get a result how does he do that I think he's got a and I know a lot of onus will be on Michael Carrick because he'll be this is my game plan this is how we're going to hurt him if things aren't going to plan in that on the pitch because it can't be one plan players have got to take leadership and say because Michael Carrick is the manager that's on the sideline, right?

39:26And, okay, you're a goalkeeper, you're at the back. But players, when you're on the pitch and things aren't going well, you go to each other, this plan ain't working. Like, we've got to do something different. And now you've got 11 players on the pitch that will have their thoughts of what's going on in the game. Well, I'll tell you what, if there's a break in the game, right, let's either go over to Michael Carrick and say, listen, this ain't working, we need to go plan B. Or, as players, you take the ownership and say, do you know what we're going to do this and this because that plan there isn't working and if you then get in at half time and say gaffer listen it won't work and that's why we changed to a b or c that and that's what needs to i just think that too much is like well our manager you gave us this plan that's it it's not working you've got back in the day you took it upon yourself to say right that's not working so what we're going to do is we're going to change to this shape or we're going to press in this way instead of doing it that way because on the pitch it ain't happening who's the best player you've ever played with that's done that because that's not a conversation that will be out there because it's all about who's the best player you've played with who's who's the best player you've had on a pitch that would take control of a game i'd say rio for me yeah because he saw the whole game and and what was going he could read a game unbelievably yeah um i would have said wayne rudely at the time but you know he was higher up Rio could see what was going on in the game.

40:51He's at the back. We didn't need the goalkeeper. He was the one that... Another goalkeeper. Yeah, we don't worry about goalkeepers. We don't count. We're not people. Just save it. We're not humans. Catch it. That's it, done. But it's because you've got a centre-half that has got so much knowledge, can read the game so well, he was the one that would be barking orders and saying, listen, this ain't working, so we have to change in this way. Michael Carrick was the same. And I remember we played City away. We were losing 2-0 at half-time. And we literally, we weren't pressing. We weren't playing.

41:29No one had confidence. We literally, between himself and me, we come in and said, boys, we need to get on the front foot. Like, we're not pressing, so we're never going to win the ball back. You've got to go and start putting them on the back foot. It's too easy for them. Get in their faces. Someone go and put a tackle in to make them know we're in the game. would come out and won the game 3-2. It's like the win Poglis, do you score two? I remember it. Yeah, yeah. And that's what I mean. It takes a leader to see something possibly different to the manager if you're on the pitch. Or, like I say, at half-time to come in and say, we just need to change this and this in that way.

42:06It could just be one or two things. And things can change in the game. So I think a lot of onus is going to be put on a manager on the sideline. But as players, you're the ones on the pitch. you're the players you've got to take it and say do you know what I'm going to take this and I'm going to say you go there we go there we're going to press like this and do things differently and I think at times that's what's going to be needed Who do you think you could do that for the Man United? I think Kobe Mayhew could do it I think Harry Maguire could do it the leaders Bruno Fernandes can do it there's got to be someone out there that just says right forget this this is what we're going to do hopefully they don't have to do that and the game plan but we've got to be realistic if I'm Man United and I'm being super realistic I'm planning to play and beat this press, but I'm also, back of my mind, because I'm a defensive-minded player, and I know you played towards the end of your career defensively.

42:54I'm always thinking... I bet you did. Why would you do that? I don't even know. I just got thrown back. They were like, let me just get out of the pick anymore. Slow down. But my mind is always thinking, all right, the best case is great. And that's why I used to love those chats. I used to love those chats. Come up to the centre-half, sort of thinking, grab the six, what you're thinking, what you're struggling with. All those comments. I used to love that part of the game. But I think that, and it's like we say, there is players there that could do that. Will they do that? I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

43:25I think you're questioning and saying that my fear for United is if they go down, a goal down early, are we going to see the leaders on that pitch or not? And I think they've crumbled at times this season. And it's been tough to see that you've gone a goal down and now it's like well we're not going to get back in and I've been in teams I was at Everton team where we used to go a goal down and that was it the whole game was done until I don't even know what turned but it was like stay in the game but it's only a goal down it's not a problem it's the same at United when I first went there we could say it'd be nil-nil don't worry we've got five minutes left of the game we're going to score like we're going to score that stretch for them will suck the ball in we're going to score and that's you see the amount of one nils we had so many because of just stay smart just stay strong and think we'll get one more chance but when it comes you've got to take it yeah that's that top end of the top end of the table mentality that we've both you know we've been in the other end as well I don't think there's any better feeling as a team you look at the likes of Arsenal at the moment who seem like they're in that elite mindset of like you look at them at Liverpool the other day whatever happens boom boom bang whatever happens we're going to be in this game we're probably going to win worst case we're going to draw the game it's some feeling it's one of the best feelings ever you know when you work so hard and like Tilt brought up Arsenal then you look at what they did at Liverpool the other day they had to defend so much but they've done it as a team and if you look at how they celebrated after the game Declanis mate I love him absolutely love him you saw how knackered he was after that game because he put his blood and soul into that game and when you get them benefits of winning that game you hear that final whistle you've kept a clean sheet you've gone to Anfield one of the toughest places to go but got the three points there's no better feeling that when you're working so hard for each other and you know you've got that winning mentality and do you know what we're going to go up there that's where we want to be at the top to win a game like that is through hard work.

45:44It is, when I say it, it is no better feeling. You do come off when your body's knackered. I thought my body was. I wouldn't know the feeling, mate. I know, yeah. You're just sat there when you go, innit? That's what I mean, these keepers.

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47:40Come on then Let's go to City They're away at Leipzig Couple of What do you think? What do you want me to think? What do you think of that? City away Come on I'll take over Come on Let's have it City away tonight No that's not City I told you I don't use them I told you I don't use them Did you? No Well, talking about City, yeah, they've got Leipzig tonight. But their performance, not even their performance, let's go Brighton. Let's talk Brighton because I love Brighton. Right now, this season, Brighton have been unbelievable. What do you make? Talk to me about Brighton's team and their manager.

48:18Just ever think about them. Brave, front foot, toe-to-toe team. Got people stepping up in big moments. Got Bart Verbrugge in there. Let's talk goalkeeper. I knew he was going to talk goalkeeper. How can you not? Always go to the goalkeeper. How can you not talk goalkeeper after that performance? It wasn't good. Do you know why it wasn't the saves? Everyone can make saves in the Premier League. I'm sure you've worked with many number twos, number threes in training where you fly. Jesus Christ, this guy's unbelievable. Yeah, yeah. But he's getting to that elite level now where he's making them at the moments, the big moments saves.

48:51When you've won, you've had those goalkeepers right. And for Bruggen, you can't beat defensively the mindset. Again, at Brighton, you can see they're running, working as a team. They've got that belief they're going to score, but they're keeping that back door shut. Against Manchester City in the Etihad, whatever you want to say about Manchester City, they are frightening. And they were on it. They were on it on Saturday. Yeah, yeah. I think both teams shook hands, looked each other in the eye and gave each other a nod. It was both teams absolutely having it. But what a performance and what a win.

49:21And mentally, what a huge result for Brighton doing that in this Premier League. They obviously beat Arsenal. at home to go away to Man City having played them three or four days earlier and lose on penalties. Super impressive. Would you say Enzo Mareska's not panicking, but they need to get a result against Leipzig tonight? I think he'll be calm. I think he's seeing his team. That's one thing that you can see with a Man City team, is even when they get beat, they rarely get beat with a lack of effort. they rarely get beat with a Bart Verbruggen performance down the other end. So he'll be frustrated, there'll be things that he'd like to tidy up, of course he will.

50:03I think obviously defensively it's a poor goal to give away as clinical as Brighton were. But I'm not seeing any signs that Manchester City aren't just having a few difficult results. I think there's still a lot of belief, there's a lot of flow in the way they play. I think new players are settling well, Anderson, Njai, Enzo Fernandes. Boadi didn't have his best game of course he didn't but he's going to be he's going to be so important for Manchester City this season and just how weird does it feel when Haaland don't score I know yeah it's crazy isn't it when you don't see a Haaland goal you're thinking what's going on here but you know German opposition tonight he'll be on it yeah and those arenas like people will see City Leipzig City sorry and think nothing of it but playing away in the Champions League in those German arenas unbelievable the energy's up yeah yeah it's great I would love to turn these over and say here are there some more but we've got Barca Villa you're back mate you're back I'm back it's the Ashley Young show come on let's go what are you thinking?

50:59Barca Villa hold on first of all before that yeah talk to me about playing in Barcelona what a place I want to say it was great memories but it was the Messi show when I went there well how's that not a great memory I know it's not because we lost at the time I'm with you yeah at the time you know I've had good performances and didn't win. So this boring professional in me goes, well, I didn't enjoy it as much because I didn't win. But let's take you back to Ashley Young, the child, and me, the child, playing in the camp. Unbelievable. You know where, like you say, as a kid, you think of stadiums that, right, I could possibly, I'd love to play at that one, or I could possibly play at that one.

51:44Walking there, walking out onto that pitch, dress rooms, everything about it, like, wow. What a place. Is it the chapel on the right as you come down? Yeah, just everything about it was unbelievable. Obviously, at this point in result that we had there, but I think for especially Villa going there now, for where the club's been at for the last few years, having Champions League football, these are nights what they've been looking for. The fans, the fans are going to be unbelievable for Villa there tonight. I think all the players, I spoke to John McGinn last week, like he was talking about this game already because that's what you do you look at the the fixtures you've got coming up in Champions League and you go we've got Barcelona away wow and it's going to be such a test for them like the Barcelona side the name's in that team but they haven't have they properly hit the ground running yet Barcelona they feel like they're ready to go but that's it it's like it's just it's certainly not the same Barcelona that we were talking about in terms of in the tunnel.

52:50It's a difficult game in the tunnel, let alone out on the pitch. That's what I'm saying, yeah, for sure. But I think Villa have just got to go there and play with confidence, play the way that Unai Emery wants to play. He wants to play football. He'll want to go there and show how good his Villa team are. And I think as players, you'd want to go there and say, right, this is how we've been playing. This is the way Unai Emery sets up his teams. He wants to play for the centre-halves, the centre midfielders. He wants the wings tucked in. He wants the number 10 to get on the ball. He wants to feed Nicholas Jackson.

53:22And I mean, he's been on fire as well. So I think it's going to be a good game. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it. Speaking of John McGinn, I did the City Villa game a few weeks ago. And I saw him interview before the game. He's obviously got this childish spark about him anyway. But he said the players that Unai's brought in to replace the ones that were there previously have given him an energy that he didn't think he needed. He didn't know that he needed. Because they had... We talk about that Spango in the Martinez-Watkins-Thielemans. Top players, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

53:54Top, top players. Yeah. But you felt like towards the back end of their Villa careers, as focused as they were, it was, where's this going to take me next? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's fine. That's life. That's nothing against them. They left Europa League and Champions League, so they did everything they could. But I think John McGinn, what he was saying was like, I forgot what it was like to have people who were at the start of that journey. He's just got energy and he's just got excitement to be an Aston Villa player, excitement to be in the Champions League. I love that he said that and I love what it's done to his team.

54:29I just feel like that's exactly what you need when you're going into this game. You know, talking to him over the summer and you know he was saying, Telemans was going out the door, Rodgers is going out the door, Martinez, Olly Watkins. He just wanted the window to shut. because he was like, I know Una Emery is going to bring in players, like you say, that are hungry, that have got energy, that may, like a Nicholas Jackson when he went to Chelsea, didn't really get the opportunities that he would have wanted, which I feel that he should have had more. A second chance, he knows him from Villarreal.

55:06Of which he got a massive move from playing with Una Emery and was world-renowned. So when you've played with a manager and you go back and play with him again, you know what you're getting. You know what you're signing up for. And I remember, like I say, talking to John McGinn after the window and he was just, like you say, I don't know how much more excited we can get because he's the most excitable person anyway. But he was just looking forward to, like you're saying, the season ahead. And although things weren't going right, because like I say, I speak to him all the time, things weren't going right.

55:38He was like, we're doing good things. we know it's going to turn it's going to turn at some point to then hear him talk about Champions League like you could just hear the excitement like he was just so excited to be now in the team that is full of players that are hungry that want to win that have got the confidence that going to Barcelona yeah we're going to Barcelona but we can go and win I don't think you're going to see an Aston Villa team go there and just say right this is part of the bus it's not Unai Emery style it won't be that way he'll be like listen we work this hard to get Champions League to play in games like this we're going to be on the front foot and if we lose he's that manager that will turn around and say if we lose we're going to lose playing my style we're not going to come away from that so they'll go there to be playing in his style of play to try and get that win Speaking of confidence will to win desire Anthony Gordon I've never I've never met him I've never worked with him but I've never seen a more self-assured person and I love it I've heard him speak the same when he was maybe coming on the bench for Everton and getting on the pitch same when he started for Everton same when he was at Newcastle same now he's playing for England and for Barcelona tell me what he's like as a player and a person do you know what I actually know that he said that he's had tough games against me he's not seen me come off the pitch against him he's definitely not to see me walking in that dressing room.

57:10It's so odd. It is so odd. Because he's, I was a winger. He's quick. He can go outside. He can go inside. Right foot, left foot. Like, you are literally playing against Anthony Gordon and trying to guess what he's going to do. Like, I played against him when I was at Everton. I played as a right winger. Literally, I played as a right back against Seamus. It was like me and Seamus. So the age down that side was about 200 years old. And Anthony Gordon must have been thinking, This is my day. But we stopped him. But it's difficult. And when I say it's difficult, it's so hard. Because you've got a player that is, like you say, full of confidence.

57:48Yeah. He knows what he can do. He believes in himself. And when you've got that belief as a winger, you just keep going higher and higher. And for him to be able to go to Barcelona and show even more of what he's about, it's like I say it's fantastic to see it is so hard to play against him because of like I say he can go every way he's quick he's smart and I think his games when you go and work at Barcelona and you play alongside the players that he's playing with you can only learn off them Laminjamel Rafinha there's just two names there that he's learning off but yet he's adding to what Barcelona are about But I think it was a fantastic move for him, to be honest.

58:39It was great. And, you know, I love seeing a player that has the confidence in himself. You know, when you've got someone on that team, it's brilliant. Brilliant to see. Yeah, he speaks it into existence. And like I say, he caught my eye, not because of him as a player. Yeah. You know my position, mate. I know what I know. Yeah, we know. I certainly don't know other things. But I was like, this guy really believes in himself. And it's not a front, is it? No. It's not flash, it's not a bravado. So I was like, all right, let's see how it plays out. And I remember speaking to Jolien Lescott about him because I think he had him at the 21s and he was like...

59:13Yeah. My words, like... Don't get me wrong, I thought he was going to be an elite Everton player. Yeah. And then obviously Newcastle and now he's stepping up on the big stage. And these are the stages you want to... As a footballer, you want to be able to show yourself at the highest. Yeah. You want to be challenging for titles. you want to be playing in Europe he's got that you want to be playing for your country we know you want to be representing your country and starting he's got that and he looks like he's England's left winger he's playing plenty of games at Barcelona but not only that he's scoring goals he's assisting that's what you're in a team to do as a winger you go out on the pitch you want to score or you want to assist if you're coming off the pitch with assists and goals you've done your job and he is definitely doing his job and I'm sure he'll be looking forward to playing against Aston Villa tonight Talking about English players playing abroad Jude Bellingham 50 goals in a Real Madrid shirt, Stevie touched on it yesterday about his favourite player of all time being Zinedine Zidane and what he did at Real Madrid and the numbers that Jude's putting up right now Tell me about him Jude is What words have you got to describe Jude Bellingham, seriously like since he's he's gone to Real Madrid their numbers are phenomenal like they they're crazy numbers for a midfielder 50 goals it's been just number five on his back it's just he got to 50 goals before Zinedine Zidane 72 games I think it was before that 73 in itself great love it in the air cheers thanks for that is just like it's outrageous to be honest but he's he's just such a good player he's so good you look at the World Cup he was bringing basically the nation and saying put it on my back I'm going to take this I'm going to take this to the teams and you know it's just so good to see someone that looks so humble has got his family around him that just loves playing football that just wants to get better and better and better and And I think a lot was talked about last season when he had his injuries and stuff.

1:01:39He had his injuries. Let him come back. Leave him. He's been injured. How much football has he played for such a young man as well? This is what I'm saying. He's still young. He's got so much more to give, even though he's given so much already. There's going to be... I don't know what boundaries he's set, but he's smashing through everything right now. I just love watching him. I love watching him. I love seeing him. And I really do hope it continues to go as well as it is right now for him. On that note, Ash, we've absolutely nailed it, mate. We are the combo. Thank you very much for your time.

1:02:15Thank you, mate. Loved working with you. And you. Shame you were late this morning. Yeah, we'll see about that. You were late. As a presenter, late. I can't believe it. Never. Confidence in my game. Kelly, I know you're watching. I know you'll never be late. I thought it was late today, I'm afraid. Thank you, everyone. Cheers. Enjoyed that. Cheers, mate. Do you want me out of your chair? Yeah, I'm chubby. You taking over, T-boy? Yeah, T-boy's in. Little Baz. Come on. Little Baz Bannon.

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