Daniele De Rossi: World Cup Penalty & Man Utd Dream | The Overlap on Tour: Unseen Ep 4 | Sky Mobile

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1:05It'd be nice to eat outside, wouldn't it? I like them ones, James. It's my wife. He's got a bit of colour on top, I think. I always go black, don't I? This is a nice shirt. They got the same stylist. You have to switch the phone off. On silent? On silent? He's always on silent. They're twins, innit? They're a little colour art. We can go. So I stand still? So comfy, honestly. Come, let's go. Come on, let's go. This is the Overlap on Tour, Unseen, brought to you by SkyMobil.

1:43No, I'm not doing that. See, that is terrifying. You can watch all of the action from the boys' trip around Europe on SkyMax and Now TV. Come on, guys! Why is the pressure so strong in Roma if it's not a club that wins all the time? It's not like we're talking about Milan or Juventus. why is the pressure so great here? I think it's all about the love the way we are for everything if I was a chef it was like this if you cook carbonara and there's not enough guanciale people you should come in it's a nice place for him but the way we are of course Roma Roma and football is very very important for us in Italy especially in Rome so there's a lot of pressure also if we are you know aware that we're not Real Madrid we're not winning but more of the fans are ready to accept a no winning season you know that's what I say but do the fans want the style of play or is it about winning or are there interest is winning more important than the style of play no not not for many of them they they love you know you know the loyalty the the effort you do on the pitch also if you're not from Rome but they want to win they would they would win we spent 10-12 years not winning but very close to the first I've been 9 times second in the league and it's crazy it's crazy against teams that build up the team with 200 millions more than us so you never won but you won a lot of matches in this season so people are okay are comfortable with the performance you gave.

3:33When you started, did you always want to play for Roma? Yes. Everybody here in Rome say that they want to play for Roma. And sometimes it happens. When you are in Roma, you have to choose, you know. Sometimes you're so lucky that you can't choose to go in a better club or to stay here. I made this decision. And it's a bad footballistic decision. But for me, it's okay. I'm not able to progress. How old was you when you signed with Roma? I signed for Roma for the youth. I was 12, I guess. 12. And I was practicing in the same place I'm now. Of course, it was totally different. And I started when I was 12.

4:14I never played. I was on the bench all the first three, four years long. And then I was a totally different player. I was a striker. Very, very, you know, light. Yes. And I was, you know, a delicate guy, skinny guy, good technically, but not aggressive. And then I figured that out today. If I wanted to play, I would have chased. Is there something about, when you talk about everyone wants to be a Roma player and the passion of the city, and I think of you, Totti, and then further back, Giannini. Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. They're the three players I remember as sort of local players. Do you use more heroes to support us here because you're local?

4:59Is there a big feeling for local players? Yeah, I mean, it's something that starts from the love of the people for this club. It's not just me, Francesco and Giannini. It's many of our players, and some of them are not good enough to decide to stay. Sometimes they're going alone or going to other paths, following other paths. But it's a dream. You know, when you grow up like a Roman kid, you dream about this. When did you get into the team? It was, you know, like this. I was starting to play a little bit more because I grew up. When did you change from striker to midfield? I was 17, maybe 16. Okay.

5:39And it was like this because we were losing a match against a club in Tuscany, Arezzo. I was on the bench. The captain of my team was playing as a midfielder. Yeah. Like I did all my career. and we were losing against them. He got a red card. So the coach called me and said, go and play. Where? There, in the place of Fabio. I went there. We won 2-1. And the match after, Fabio was out and he put me on this match against Pescara. I can remember everything because it changed my life. We won this match. Fabio was back in the defense as center back. We played together and my life and my career changed because this coach came with me and we called it Primavera.

6:22It's the, you know, second team for us. We called it Primavera. And then this coach, this summer, seven midfielders from Primavera went to the preseason with the first team and I was in Primavera. So I said, once they go back, I never play. This coach is a weird guy, funny guy, but, you know, strong one. He said, you're my player. You will be my player. You will play. I kept on playing, I kept on playing. And then Fabio Capello called me. after watching me with Primavera and I would go back. That's amazing. So Fabio Capello was the first coach of the first team to give you a chance? The first guy that called me at the beginning was just a few practices.

7:05And I stood there a couple of months. It was the best season of our life because they won Scudetto this season. I had a couple of bench and I was a tiny part of this campaign. Of course, nobody remembers me, but I remember all the emotions in the dressing room. The season after, I was supposed to go alone, but then I stood. I played four or five matches, and the season after again, he was trying to get Edgar Davies from Juventus. Edgar Davies, okay. And Juventus asked four or five young players to exchange with Davies. Then it didn't happen, I don't know why. and I had a couple of chance to go.

7:47Chievo, Empoli, Regina. I said, no, I think I will play this season. Everybody said, are you crazy? You never play. You're full of good players. Emerson, Dakour, Tomasi, Zanetti. They said, no, no, I'm going to play. And I played 25, 26 matches. Enough for a young guy. I remember the team, your tournament, Liverpool played you in 2001 in the UEFA Cup. Yeah. And you rested a few players because you were trying trying to win the league Batistuta was on the bench in the UEFA Cup and then the season after we played you in the Champions League in the group stage so I remember that team Cafu was playing Candela on the left do you remember the name of the referee of this match no maybe everybody remember Gerti Aranda so the referee Marcus Babel handball I think this was in the UEFA Cup in UEFA Cup so 2001 we won we ended up winning the trophy.

8:43So we win in Rome, 2-0. Michael Owen scores 2. Go back home, get beat 1-0. And then they're putting under pressure and it's handball. So the referee blows and points to the penalty spot. But the linesman, I think, runs to the corner flag thinking it's a corner. And then the referee just changes his arm. Yeah, I remember that. Wow. And then we're just like, no one says, not just carry on. They're all going, create all the players. This was the moment we won. Roma won Scudet. because leaving the UEFA gap we had, you know, you know, concentration on the league. focus on the league. So, it was easy for us.

9:19So, it was a good decision. Good. Thank you. It happened once every 50 years. Yeah, yeah. It was a great role with seeing that. Yeah. Really good. Very good. Do you have a team you like in England? Is there a team you followed in England? No, I was always just... No, I followed football. Yeah, I don't... Yeah, when I was young, you know, I followed a little more Manchester United. I was fascinated by you or your, you know, legacy and I follow the football in England I like I really like this. Were you tempted to play in England never? I was close to come in England yeah it was my it was my first option if I if I if I live wrong because I couldn't go.

9:59It was it was Man United for me. I had some chance to go in other teams, but Man United was the one that I recognized when I was younger. It was the best team in England. And you liked him? Did you like him? As I left by then, you were on the place. You were already old. In 2006, once we were in the airport during the World Cup, and Marcelo Lippi called me to come. I came because I was scared of him. And he called me, and he opened the door, and he brought me inside a small room and it was Alex Ferguson in this room he was flying from a city to another to watch the World Cup he said you have to go there I was you know I was shy because of him because of Marcello Lippi as well it was it was scary it was a three minutes moment nothing serious but I would like to say yes I want to come I want to come because Manchester United when I was young it was something huge but that was the summer they signed Michael Carrick I think in the position that you would have played.

11:06Wow. And they did the right call because he was a great player. Great player. Played against him three, four times and sometimes it happened a disaster for us. We lost 7-1, 3-0, 2-0. Did you score in this game? Yeah, I scored a nice goal. A nice embarrassing goal. It was embarrassing for us. We were very good at the first leg in Rome. We won 2-1 and we thought this is our season this is our Champions League because we were best we were better than Manchester United and we had to go back there a couple of injuries we had a different team very good starting starting 11 and less good what was the game in Rome?

11:51was that the Ronaldo header? no was that the one the year after? the year after the game in Rome it was the one that post-course get sent off I cannot say it's put so the red card after 20 minutes and we were dominating the game we were close to score other goals but we were pretty happy about the 2-1 we said ok we're going to handle it in matches and then they killed us since the first minute The Overlap on Tour is brought to you by Sky Mobile I'm not comfortable with wine during an interview the network that lets you roll your data and keep it longer than anyone else for more information visit sky.com Forward slash shop, forward slash mobile.

12:36This is the Overlap on Tour, unseen. Brought to you by SkyMobile. No, I'm not doing that. See, that was terrifying. You can watch all of the action from the boys' trip around Europe on SkyMax and Now TV. Oh my God! Did you play for the Italian under-21? Yeah, more or less the same process. I was not started in Roma in the youth team, so of course I was never called for the national teams. I started in under-19 after I started playing with the Primavera and sometimes I was with the first team and then they started calling me for under-19, under-20, under-21. We won the Euro Cup in Germany. How old was it then?

13:22It was 2004, so I was almost 21. And then we had the Olympic Games this summer. I went to the Olympic Games and we're getting this bronze medal. And a call from Marcello Lippi. No, maybe not Marcello Lippi. Maybe the team manager called our team manager and said, De Rossi, tomorrow you go to the national team. So I went back and I was... I was lucky because every time was very, very fast. I played my first match in national team. I was scared and I scored after three minutes. So every time it was very easy for me to get more relaxed. You have to take them chances. You have to take them. A lot of players get that opportunity.

14:04They don't take it. So you obviously... My teammates said I'm very lucky. Very lucky. Yeah, yeah. We all need luck. Also as a coach. Juventus, AC Milan being relegated, points deductions, referees. How has that been in the squad? It happened right before the World Cup. We had fans chanting against all the Juventus players. They were blaming us just like we did something bad, but the players didn't do anything. So it was weird because we were about to prepare something that can unite units, unite everybody behind us. But after we went to Germany. In Germany, there are Italian people that live there, grew up there, probably born there, but with the Italian roots.

14:52So they didn't care about this scandal or this problem. They were with us, so they filled all the stadium, the small stadium we were practicing, and they helped us a lot. Then the World Cup started, we won a couple of matches, and then everybody turned into, you know, they're good, some scandal, but they're not, they're good. So they pushed us until the final. What was it like being the youngest player in that squad? It was weird because I was the younger player, but I was suspended after two matches. I got a red card for a match, so I was the dumbest player in the team because I got this elbow.

15:32So I didn't enjoy all the tournament. I was spending all days praying that I had another chance, another call to play the final because I knew Marcello Lippi loved him, loved me a lot. so he always speaks about me, he always is behind me also if he was very angry. But I thought if we go to the final, also if it's difficult for a coach to put a guy that made a mess three weeks ago, I always be sure that he could give me another shot. And also the assistant coach told me one day before the semi-final, if you go to the final you will be playing and this has happened. I'm so sorry. Okay, have a wine or like a beer?

16:18What do you want? No, I'm not comfortable with wine during an interview. I can make... What beer do you have? Okay, have a beer of Castello. Can I have one of the... Okay, a beer or a small size? Small size, please. I'll have the same. Yeah, I'll have the same. Excuse me. Yeah. Can I have the big size? Grande.

16:44I'm going to keep it for the whole time. Yeah, no, I'll keep it for the whole time. Was he the best coach he played under, Marcelo Lippi? Oh, Marcelo Lippi was a great coach. He can handle the group. He can, you know, he always find the right word in the right moment. Sometimes it was very tough, very, very hard to accept. Just like, you know, many of the old coaches. But sometimes it was very, very sweet. With me, he, you know, he alternates the stick and the character. That's what we say in Roma. I don't know if it's like this for you. And of course, he was a very good coach. Technically, tactically, he was very smart, but he creates an atmosphere that helped us to win 100 % because the squad was full of champs.

17:32I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about Totti, Nesta, Navarro. Great characters, great personalities, this, but everybody was, you know, pushing together the same way this, you know, generation had to win this trophy because they were very close to win the Euro Cup in 2000, I guess. Yes. And they were beaten in 2002 against Korea in another weird game. Yes. So they deserve to win this match, I hope. I'm happy. I'm happy I was part of this great group of guys. You took one of the penalties, huh? Yeah, I was so scared. I was thinking, I was walking to the penalties point, and I was thinking about my parents.

18:15Wow. Because they suffer from, you know, the red card, the criticism from the journalists, and, you know, they suffer from it. And they were, you know, in this place in my neighborhood, close to the beach, everybody was, you know, the huge screen. So, you know, people staring at them, and fortunately I scored. It was a tough moment. It's maybe the only moment I can remember easily, clearly, because I have many memories fading away because it's 20 years ago. Yes. But I didn't celebrate because I wasn't doing the doping and I couldn't piece. Can I say piece? Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay. So I was in this small dressing room with Cannavaro.

19:03They brought us the cup two seconds and then they brought it back. and then I had this memory about the penalty. It was very, very intense. And then the celebration on the beach, the day after we were drunk. So I can't remember anything. We were on this, you know, open bus here in Rome. One million of fans. It was nice. It was nice, but maybe too early in my career. You think? Yeah, maybe too early. I could enjoy more if it was, you know, closer to me now. Obviously, you took a penalty in the 2000s, same World Cup, didn't you? It's amazing. Yeah, I took one. I missed one. Yeah. My parents are still getting stick.

19:46You got brought on with one minute to go to take a penalty. Yeah. Without kicking the ball on the pitch. You never touched the ball, did you? Yeah, but that's a strange to have been somebody on take a penalty who's that penalty taker. Well, you know what it was? We did a penalty competition in training and he won the penalty competition in training and he took the penalty. So you had a good, obviously, you had a good technique anyway. It's not as if, yeah. He scored the one and then I had to take it again. didn't it? Yeah. Why did you have to take it again? Because the referee hadn't blew his muscles.

20:11But I'd taken two penalties for Liverpool and shoot out and scored both of them and I'd always done the same thing. I'd had a long run, put the ball down, turned round. Can you understand? Yeah. I'm very, very comfortable. What's it? Come on. Just nod your head and I'm missing any word. And I'd sort of walk back and when I turned down, I went, you know, so I'd run with pace to put pace on the path and I'd just done that for Liverpool so I didn't do anything different so I don't know if the referees didn't blow the whistle or did in the shootout at Liverpool so I just turned around and just went and then when I put her in I think the keeper was stood there at what point does the referee blow the whistle it must be they put the ball down surely now no you put the ball down you put the ball down and then you wait is it the referee blows the whistle then it's up to you it's not you put the ball down then you go back then the referee blows the whistle yeah he waits for you to go back you know thank you maybe the keeper was doing all that mind game so was it it was it who was the case Portugal yeah Cristiano scored a winning penalty yeah yeah Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard missed as well yeah okay you're having a bit here sorry he looks like a beer man doesn't he thank you yeah probably with penalties in England yeah yeah we won a couple of times against you it's good when you're Irish yeah yeah we were sure they had a problem with penalties did you when you said if it goes to penalties we're going to win not really not really but we played twice against England in the Euro Cup and we won twice a penalty once in Ukraine yeah 2012 2012 I was a coach at the time ah ok I got injured at 97 minutes but I played this match and we won we won the penalty we missed the first one and we won in Wembley in the final who was the midfielder Pele was playing with you and who else was playing in the midfield I think Marquisio probably for Montolivo as well also Tiago Motta was there in this team and my plays come on Nocerino we had a good team we lost we were beating badly against Spain in the final different than the other quarter final because they were much better than us but this match we were better than England I guess you kept the ball off very defensive if I can remember with huge player amazing player Gerrard yeah I mean you've won the World Cup you've played in another final against Spain Italy won the Euro maybe four years ago what do you feel when you look at England as a country what do you feel England like to go and win a trophy.

23:05Sometimes it's about to have a, you know, a two-metre scorekeeper in the goal during the penalties. Yes. Because Donnarumma, I shoot once against Donnarumma penalty in San Siro and it was, I couldn't see the net, you know, so. If he goes the right way, he's probably going to sleep. Yeah, you can blame a coach, you can blame a player, you can blame, but it's all about this. They could be more probably brave, courageous after they score after three minutes because, you know, The stadium was crazy, crazy atmosphere. And they scored after three minutes, and probably they stopped to play a little earlier, and we got back on our level because we had good players.

23:45If we leave us the ball with Jorginho, Verratti, all this player, Bonucci, of course, and then it happened. It can happen, something like this, but they keep playing with all these, you know, counteracted players like Saka, like, I don't know, probably Grealish was in the match. Rashford was there. Rashford was there. Yeah, Rashford. Probably they can score the second time and we were dead. And after we equalised, everything has changed, so we can smell the fear. Wow, that's amazing. The Overlap on Tour is brought to you by Sky Mobile. Buon appetito. The network that lets you roll your data and keep it longer than anyone else.

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25:46See, that is terrifying. You can watch all of the action from the boys' trip around Europe on SkyMax and Now TV. Oh my God! You know, this area, obviously it's very Roma area. You thought he come from this area? Yeah, he grew up, I think, in this road. Yeah. But of course in this area, this neighbourhood is called San Giovanni, it's very popular, it's very full of Romanisti. I think there's many other restaurants like this in Roma. I never visit some of them because when it's open, I can't come here, but this is a big one. What would they do? If you came here when it was open, the fans would just be all over you?

26:26I never experienced this. I think... It would be, yeah. Yeah, it can be a mess. I live in the city centre, actually. Oh, OK. I'm the only player that's living in the city centre. Since I was a player, I choose to live here because I leave the town. And after, you know, a couple of millions of pictures and autographs, now I'm living, you know, the perfect way because I live close to St. Peter's, so full of strangers, interesting, you know, religion, Pope, and I don't care about football. So you move out of the city now? I live 10 minutes from here. 10 minutes with the bike. Well, Malazio, we'd like to maybe come to the Derby.

27:08Amazing. When do you play him? Is it soon? We play in January. January? We play in January. It's amazing if you're not part of this. Yeah, we'll come over. We should come to the Derby. It's very intense. It's very intense. It's very important for us, especially because of the reason we were talking about before. We don't win. Lazio neither. Lazio maybe in the early 2000s had a very good team like us but they had a very good team they won cup winner they won it in England I think I feel like they won the Super Cup against Man United because they have a very good team but now it's seven, six years we're not able to win trophies so Derby is still something very important for the you know for the fans for the town it's not nice but sometimes you win derbies and you get more relaxed and say, okay, we won the derby, my first derby as a coach and after three days, I guess, we had the quarterfinal against Milan and nobody cared about the derby.

28:13No, no. Wow. They did it, but, you know, we did. We did the important part and then see about how, you know, the cherry on the cake can be against Milan but derby moved a lot of, you know, the public opinion, public interest. And of course, it's exactly the opposite for Lazio. They lost and they're supposed to be the worst team in the world. And they were three, four points behind us. Wow. How is Italian football generally? How do you compare it with Spanish football, with English football? I just play here, so I don't have the tools to judge the other football. But as a watcher, I think he's more tactical, more defensive probably.

29:02It's harder to score here, especially because probably the players now in England are better than the players that are still playing in Italy. Because of all the reasons you know, money and business is there. But it's very hard to play against the small teams. Everybody played every single point, every single minute, like it was the last match of the season. So it's hard. But of course, it's more spectacular, the English one. I think at the beginning, maybe 20 years ago, it was less tactical, but now all the coaches are from Italy, Spain, wherever. And also England coaches are great now. Newcastle one is very good.

29:48But here in Italy, it's hard. It's hard. Sorry, you stayed in Italy as a player, as a coach. Are you thinking, I definitely want to coach in different countries? Yeah, of course. Yeah, definitely as a coach, a different mindset. Especially in England. Or, you know, I'd love to go back in Boca Juniors because I left this stuff open. I want to go back to... What's with Boca Juniors? I know you went there as a player, you played a few games. I don't know. I grew up like this. I was, you know, watching some clips about Maradona, about the stadium. I fell in love with the stadium, with the love they have, probably because it's similar to what we have here, what we feel here.

30:29So I moved there, and it was crazy, absolutely crazy. Crazy. People, you know, the republic, the government, everybody is talking about Boga Jr. especially, but also about, you know, football in Argentina. They live for football more than us. So it's a religion. It's really... I went to the stadium. I went to... I was there on holiday and I went to Bucca's. I had a tour around the stadium. All the tour? Or you watched the game? No, there was no game. It was just a tour with my family. But even that was nice. It was a nice feel for the club. Yeah. I think everybody, you know, loved football so much.

31:05You know, to watch the game there. Did you witness the game with River Plate? I played. I played there in the Monumental. What was it like? Because the Lazio Roma, is very intense. Is this one intense? It's different. It's something more. Wow. It was the first match, the first Superclassico after the final of Madrid. You know, they played the final of Copa Libertadores in Madrid, River 1. I just came after six months of this final and we were playing this match there. You know, they create just like, you know, a funeral, funeral of Bogart Jr. So the fans were, you know, teasing us with crosses and, you know, caffeine.

31:49And, you know, black balloons. The ones who are not jumping died in Madrid. So that's what they sang. And we were there, you know, against a very good team. And we equalized nil-nil. We didn't shoot, probably, not even once. We killed each other. This is what... Apparently, we started the match and we were aware we had just to fight. Because they were probably better than us. but because Boca fans after this final wanted this. So we had probably, I think, 12 yellow cards. It was a massacre. It was nil-nil. And everybody was happy after the match. You fought for us. You fought for us. You really did for us.

32:36We wanted this. We didn't want nice football. We love you. And everybody was very relaxed. and the day after, the match after was 60 ,000 again in Bombonera. We lost the semi-final of Copa Libertadores against River Plate again. We lost 2-0 there and we won 1-0 at home. At the end of the match, I probably experienced the best love demonstration of my life. We fought. River was better than us. We fought until 95 minutes and they stood and, you know, loving everybody, singing this song that is, I have Boga in my blood. I don't know how to explain. It's a song they always sang. And, they were crying.

33:25You can see the faces crying because they, because we lost, but they were proud of us. It was, it was a mutual, mutual respect, mutual love and it was incredible. I, I loved it. I love this, these people. It's incredible. Wow. I'd love to go watch a game over there. I would like to do that. That's probably one of the derbies. Obviously, Romulac's derby I'd like to watch. Road trip. Road trip. Do a road trip. Putting that out there. Jerry. More challenge. The weather's nice. We should do that. This is amazing, huh? Do you look at Pepening? Do you think Pep, you like the way Pep seems very amazing?

34:05I love him. He's different than anyone else for me. Of course, he always coached very good teams as well, but it's different. He created something perfect in Barcelona and he was able to modify it in Monaco as well and also in Man City. It's a lot of different. I think he can do the same also in a smaller club. You think? Because people say a lot that they would like to see him with a low team in the league. would Pep be able to do what he's doing with a low team because what he does is you have to be your football intelligence has to be very very high with Pep to do what he's doing so this is why people say if he's doing it with a team but he's smart he's never going to walk with a low team is he do you think he'll come to Italy do you think he'll come to Italy to completely once he said he wanted to come here to show everybody that he you know another step of his career I'm not sure he wanted to he wants to leave Man City if you find a situation like this you have 10 Catalani Catalani managers in the club you feel at home you have money to spend on the players you're recognised as the one that changed the club life so it'd be good if you were the latter huh?

35:25No I hope no I think he will be the target of one of the biggest club in Italy Juve, Inter, Milan very soon I play with him six months and it was in Roma he played in Roma he played in Roma six months then he he ran away because we were playing different different football with Capello he had some you know arguments with him did he have arguments with Capello no no no I didn't he he did yeah he didn't agree with something it was not easy to have arguments with Capello because he was a surgeon he was a you know fair and tough guy and yeah they don't they don't probably like each other but not like person like you know the football idea of Capello was very close to our Italian old old school and Pep was already starting you know his new chapter he was very close to end his career and probably he was thinking about what it can be this team or this football was he at Brescia was he at Brescia before I think he went to Brescia then he moved to Roma did he go to Mexico after that did he go to Mexico He went to Brescia.

36:36Then he moved to Roma, six months, and he ran away from Roma. He goes to Brescia again. He's supposed to start one match, and he told me, I'm leaving you playing, and I made my debut against Carmo, 2003. January 2003. But he was a good teammate. He was happy and humble and always happy to share his thoughts about football. He was talking about football, two touches, two touches. We were fighting every single tackle and pass, and he was trying to explain to us what probably he already had in his mind. That's amazing. When did you realize, I want to coach? Did you always want to coach? Very early.

37:18My father is a coach. My father was coached at the Academy in Roma since I was 10, maybe 9. He coached Primavera this year for 20 years. I love the way he's a youth sector coach. I'm different than him. He's more calm, he's relaxed, he's the perfect coach for the young guys. And I want to be another kind of coach, but I always fell in love with his image of coaching. So I always thought I will be a coach. And in my last three, four years of football, I always thought about how I can prepare this match differently than this coach. how it can be more important, where we can play, what is wrong with this strategy.

38:05I start coaching in my mind. I never step over the coach, but I always have my opinion. Sometimes I share with them. I had very good coaches in my career. I had Spalletti, Di Francesco, Luis Enrique, Conte, of course, Lippi and all the old school. They taught me many things. but I always you have to be your own man as well you have to make your own decisions you can learn from other people yeah yeah yeah because football changed if I take the same the same advice that Capello and Lippi gave me 20 years ago it can be you know something that doesn't exist anymore you know football is changing and you have to take the same advice and you know modify them to make them fit with this style of football and with this style of guys because the new generation they are very close to the phones to build up a group is more difficult than build up you know an action or a play or a strategy Have you created rules for the players around phones or when they can use them or when not to use them or are you just leaving to trust them We inherited something old last season and we didn't want to you know to create mess I like it at 6 o 'clock they pretend to be night but at 6 o 'clock I can't eat carbonara at 6 o 'clock It was very good.

39:29It was very good. Good discipline. I'll be back. And no, we didn't want to, you know, to create some confusion the past season, but it's pointless to take money out of them because they have enough money to pay all the fines. So they don't care about this. I had a guy that said, okay, how much is 100 euros? Okay. I sleep 20 more minutes, I sleep half an hour more. So, you run. If you're late, you go to another pitch and you run. If you're late the first time, it's okay. Second time, it's okay, but it's the last call. And from the third time, at the end of the practice, you run. It's the thing that everybody hates.

40:14So, you run, you run. I don't care if it's not good for your body. You need to be in time. He was always there for training. I was like, yes, he was. I wasn't. I always had him said it. Maybe we'd get him on one time. We had a massive argument with him because one time he went on the radio and I said, Tony, I phoned him. I said, Tony, why are you saying I came late? I didn't come late. He's telling people, he said, sorry, you know, there's a lot of the guys there and I was, you know, I was showing off. I got laddish. He said, yeah, but people always say it to me. He says it to me all the time now.

40:48I wasn't late. I wasn't late all the time. I don't like that no more. It's not even funny. You were late in Russia when you were going for a walk. We were going for lunch. No, I was wrong. Do you want some? Do you want some?

41:06This is brilliant. It's hard, though, to create rules, though, when they think about it. But they've got too much money. How do you punish them? No, but you want the right culture. The rules have got to come from the players. They've got to set the right... Yeah. Yeah, they've got to manage it. Yeah. People have to be held to account. We used to fine each other. we had the fine system set up if we were late and then we give the money to the staff that were charity charity or the staff so what kind of fines would you impose what's how much money I think near the end it was£100 a minute so if you weren't on the bikes so the bikes in the morning at quarter past ten and then if you're out on the training pitch at half but like quarter to eleven maybe if you were late for either of those it's£100 a minute so wait ten minutes later you're£1 ,000 I mean it was a heavy fine so there was quite a bit Gary was on 200 ,000 a week he can change it's not true how many times were you sent off was it as a coach no as a player was it a lot no it was not no it was not a lot more or less average one per season how many times did he send off can we get to truth when he happened Roy we need a lie detector machine Roy was 13 13 times 13 13 no I think less than this but when it happened it was very you know what can I say evident you know very punches or elbows or some bad tagles like him and sometimes happened that the referee didn't see this so before there was no VAR so sometimes it happened that I was on the on the screen first page yeah on the screen on the newspapers but nobody nobody booked me off so So sometimes, not many, but it was very, very, nobody can forget some of this bullshit I did.

43:03So it's like this. I was like this. At the end of my career, I was more cold. In the bench, I'm more or less cold. I just get one yellow card. I don't argue with the other coach. One card every game? No, no, no. Just a couple of my own career. Never sent off as a coach, but as a player I was at the early stage of my career. Are you physically OK after being your player? Any injuries from when you played? Any problems? Knee, hips? Yeah, I finished my career because of my cartilage. I had a hole in my knee. I get back on the pitch In my last year here in Rome But I wasn't okay I was okay But for one training I have to be in the training ground At 7 o 'clock Doing three hours of preparation To make 20 minutes of rondo So I said Maybe it's enough Then they decided to Not renew my contract I was a little upset But I think it was the right call Because I left in one of the best seasons of my career.

44:15The season before we had the semifinal of the Champions League after we beat Barcelona. And it was a couple of very good seasons. The last season I had some injuries, but I was good. I was one of the best players in the team. And they decided why I was not ready or able to decide. And they made me a favor probably. because I finished and I retired in Roma when I was a player. When I was, you know, I was still doing it. You didn't embarrass yourself. It looks like the people are gathering now. They heard you're here. That's absolutely amazing. Thank you very much. Great to see you. Thanks for taking the time.

45:05It's been a nice chat.

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